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#[Tove] New Unit Megathread
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distant tartan
probably just ai translation 
dark widget
just changing words on us
signal torrent
think this is k's fault
code probably doesn't recognize her being a sg character during burst
distant tartan
it's how the game handles those types of bursts
they don't actually change the weapon type
dark widget
usually yes but idk with a rewording 
warped lake
So it was not 10% but 10 normal att, gonna stop looking at datamine
ebon cosmos
Tove saving this batch
distant tartan
no the others are actually saving us resources
signal torrent
treasure is not a resources i need to save rn
was already done and tove at phase 2 max is too easy
river elk
yeah doll/treasure mats arent that scarce now
with so many shit treasures ill probably be able to get 2 treasures instantly if I wanted to next batch
still would wait for SR of course but
warped lake
Im always running out of mats
copper moat
man no tove rng is crazy, but i have 0 silver mileage and 0lb 
summer 1% + all the other new 1%/limited banners ruined my pull plans, and now i want to use standards to cope for meta on offrate post-release
eg missing mmast bc not limited and then blowing all standards
warped lake
Yes
copper moat
stack every 10 bullets. no more chance
river elk
man no tove rng is crazy, but i have 0 silver mileage and 0lb <:ChimeCry:1148615...
yeah that’s why i dont rely on wishlist
copper moat
at least, that's what the text says, but bay is bugged apparently
river elk
then people call me stupid for pulling on 2% instead of skipping
then say to only mileage pilgrims and not pull
who tf do I pull on then
limiteds fuck me over more on average than pilgrims even tho they’re 2%
river elk
tell that to the 260 pulls I did on SB and still had to use a pity
copper moat
no reruns in this game
copper moat
tell that to the 260 pulls I did on SB and still had to use a pity
agony
river elk
but nah its my fault
river elk
or the 200+ pulls I used on maids
and didnt get anchor
so I had to pity her
cause wishlist is 0.23%
y’all say not to pull on pilgrims yet wishlist is infinitely worse
copper moat
er when i say pity i mean hardcap for guarantee
since mileage isn't the same thing
river elk
oh no ik
im saying other people will say its my fault for having no mileage cause I dupe pilgrims
copper moat
ah yes
copper moat
skill issue dude
copper moat
what you don't have 1 million fucking pulls from skipping 2%s AND collabs? 
strange shell
lads whatever happens
I have to remind you that we have been using 5% tove for 2 years
copper moat
not real dude 
river elk
what you don't have 1 million fucking pulls from skipping 2%s AND collabs? <:Bla...
yeah mb
should just skip everything
copper moat
waifu game btw
signal torrent
man no tove rng is crazy, but i have 0 silver mileage and 0lb <:ChimeCry:1148615...
how did u run out of silver mileage? you buying some bullshit?
copper moat
i haven't pulled blues since cindy release 
copper moat
nah i do yeah
i just don't wanna get fucked by new unit being stupidly strong like mmast and then i lose out bc of more limiteds and 1%s changing my pull plans
was going to pull on meta 2% banners
but with all those new special banners + more 1%s, that's absolutely not doable now as f2p
unless you just skip the bad 2% limiteds ig
rotund jolt
my thoughts on tove treasure
jaunty silo
is tove good
quartz linden
Yes
Arguably the only treasure from season 4 worth investing into
Unless you like rock-paper-sciccors-lizard-spock simulator
gleaming steeple
With her treasure at level 2, what's recommended skill levels?
distant tartan
well if you still want the ammo from S1 then level 6 but otherwise you could legitimately leave it at level 1
as long as you're okay with stacks taking longer to hit 3
but once tove has been treasured her stacks are basically perma as long as she's shooting
burst is still required level 10
S2 is 10 for the attack speed still
quartz linden
S2 and Burst should be 10 yeah
obsidian folio
Transformations always count as their original weapon for the purpose of buffs
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Transformations always count as their original weapon for the purpose of buffs
but the wording 
it was true before but the changes
obsidian folio
I haven't taken treasure yet, but I plan to post all AI bosses with pre-T Tove, Phase 1 Tove, and Phase 2 Tove
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obsidian folio
For an easier-to-see comparison of how worth the treasure is
I have heavy investment into SG comp
quartz linden
Should be a somewhat noticeable difference
Because of the extra 5 seconds of tove's buffs
It always felt like M.Privaty and Bsoda were selfish DPSs because the extended burst time only really benefited them
obsidian folio
Yup
But most people tend to understand results better than math 
I saw someone on here hours back saying that Tove's treasure is underwhelming cuz it only increases skill values by 5
obsidian folio
Even though 5s duration increase is +50% increase 
gaunt kayak
I saw someone on here hours back saying that Tove's treasure is underwhelming cu...
Its okay they said not gonna lie before saying their opinion so they had crediblity.
obsidian folio
Although in Miranda's case, she'd actually vanished from meta
gaunt kayak
Miranda was meta once?
obsidian folio
Yes
Back when SW was the feature neutral comp
And when Tove was dead cuz no SG comp
After Gravedigger raid, she never saw more than 10% top 50 usage until treasure
Tove after the advent of B Soda
gaunt kayak
okay, i started when Bay released, thats when SW started to drop from favor iirc
obsidian folio
Miranda after B Soda release
B Soda basically killed SW
That plus SU becoming allergic to parts and cores
and iron-weak raids
The way that B1/B2 meta worked in the olden days was
Liter
Doro
Volume
DKW
Miranda + Dolla or S Helm
We didn't have 5 B1 CDR units, which meant we had to use a B2 CDR unit, and most B1 units are so bad that Miranda just naturally took the cope throne
Meant that when Tove came out, some people SWORE she'd be meta and invested, but most didn't believe
At the time, SGs sucked too much for Tove to get much momentum
M Priv came out three months later to increase hope, then B Soda came four months after that to turn Tove into the god she is now
mossy light
waiting 6 months for dolla treasure cope or we get b2 cdr before that happens
regal knot
thanks Tove
unkempt copper
So, how good is sg team now?
regal knot
SG is in a really good spot now i think, with Doro and treasure Tove
obsidian folio
SG team very happy
I'll be posting a bunch of numbers tomorrow to give easy numbers on Tove treasure strength (pre-treasure, Phase 1, Phase 2)
unkempt copper
Idk if I misread but, Tove stacks are now consistent right?
obsidian folio
Yes
obsidian folio
At S9-10, every 10 bullets
but any skill level with Phase 1 is now consistent
Just needs more bullets at lower levels
regal knot
I still have to replace my Tove's Max Ammo lines with ATK or Element since she doesnt need much ammo OL anymore
right
obsidian folio
You mean you didn't already have 4x ele 4x atk 4x max ammo? 
Jokes aside, probably not worth to use rocks to change her rolls
Tove won't deal much damage no matter how many black lines you get
upper surge
Don't you have better uses for your rocks than trying to roll elemental on a B1 with no damage?
regal knot
maybe
upper surge
Does atk% matter for skill buffs?
obsidian folio
Does atk% matter for skill buffs?
Caster's ATK, so no
Dupes, gear level, and doll (which no longer matters cuz treasure) are what make Tove buff better
Cuz OL gear lines are buffs that activate at beginning of battle and only count towards final ATK
upper surge
Would need to say "Final" presumably
summer phoenix
Cuz OL gear lines are buffs that activate at beginning of battle and only count ...
Wait atk% doesnt count towards caster atk? My life has been a lie the whole time
dark widget
Does atk% matter for skill buffs?
no atk buffs take into account any other atk buffs
atk% overload is an atk buff
its all base atk
so dupes/gear/bond
obsidian folio
Wait atk% doesnt count towards caster atk? My life has been a lie the whole time
Sorry you only just found out 
It was actually a huge deal back in the day
cuz Noir and Maxwell were used together for a period
regal knot
better late than never
obsidian folio
Noir's S1 is caster's ATK, and people gave her ATK lines thinking it would help
Not only found out it wouldn't, but also bricked their comps cuz Noir would steal Maxwell buff from Modernia
Double bricked
summer phoenix
Sorry you only just found out <a:sadsimp:801903399008075846>
I just dumped 25 rocks into rerolling tove earlier trying to look for more atk%
dark widget
Noir's S1 is caster's ATK, and people gave her ATK lines thinking it would help
and then started saying doro burst uses atk buffs why doesnt noir 
summer phoenix
Account bricked gg
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I just dumped 25 rocks into rerolling tove earlier trying to look for more atk%
shoulda looked for more ammo
summer phoenix
Already have 4 ammo lines
summer phoenix
Gg go next
cobalt arch
M Priv came out three months later to increase hope, then B Soda came four month...
nah, even with bsoda, still alot non believer cuz tove s1 rng bs
summer phoenix
Its not rng anymore though 
obsidian folio
<:deadge:1014951072072216626> nah, even with bsoda, still alot non believer cuz ...
I rarely reset for Tove RNG and usually get top 200 
SG comp is good even with questionable uptime
mossy light
tove believer eating good in SR for more than a year already
mossy light
I'm not malding enough but didn't drop sg teams after bsoda arrived until now
their reasons being team 5 replacable probably
obsidian folio
Can you really call yourself a SR malder if you didnt use tove tho?
The only raid in which Tove had 100% usage for top 50 was Gluttony
So technically yes 
Some people have always resisted the SG Comp 
rotund jolt
i am him
sharp igloo
What is Tove skill rec with treasure now?
mossy light
skill recommendation is probably the same as before
but OL is more relaxed to not need ammo anymore
just stats for caster's atk
trim rover
caster's atk doesnt take into account OL lines atk
distant tartan
if you really wanna save some mats
6/10/10 I suppose
or even 1/10/10 if you REALLY need the mats
S1 is basically perma so it's a matter of higher buff/ammo numbers and how fast you wanna stack to 3
6 gets you to the highest ammo breakpoint
9 would get you to fastest stacking breakpoint
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9 would get you to fastest stacking breakpoint
have u tried sgs in shooting range, i ran tove grave doro bsoda drake and i burst just before 3 stack 
at 9
maybe if i had 1 less sg i wouldnt burst before 3
distant tartan
yes
I ran that and was like 0.5 sec too fast or something
but for testing I turned off autoburst until I saw 3 stacks
then turned it back on for the uh damage tests I did earlier
quartz linden
Yeah there really is no reason not to have her S1 at 9
When you are getting to burst that fast already
Blue balling yourself
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Blue balling yourself
if i have mats yea, i think if no mats its actually better to have tove 6 + idk doro 9 than other way around
trim rover
exactly
I started in 2022 and I want more books
ok now how are ele books a bottleneck
drowsy scroll
can confirm, my ele book stash is now diminishing albeit slowly
used to run 6k+ each, now all of em at 4.5k+
digital bronze
sigh, I would need to wait for months until I can use new sg meta
icy stirrup
sigh, I would need to wait for months until I can use new sg meta
36/3 = 12 kek
digital bronze
no, I just assuming I would need skill 3 favorite item to make s doro works?
is the second skill favorite item enough?
digital bronze
lol, nice, I can easily wait 12 days
drowsy scroll
ngl the lack of black around the orange heart is kinda triggering
icy stirrup
The real diff
I would fill up to 30/110 and let solo raid auto fill
Cause last time I do Milk but with solo raid fill only, it stop at 70
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I would fill up to 30/110 and let solo raid auto fill
I agree, I went to p2 then I'm just letting my outpost/solo raid fill
There's no rush for me to get p3
obsidian folio
I may not even combine until last day of solo raid even for phase 2
distant tartan
yeah pretty easy to just slowly dispatch for P3 and save the mats to convert another treasure in the future
indigo terrace
p3 and start farming for next bunch of treasures
you guys are casual players
so it's undertandable
dark widget
p3 and start farming for next bunch of treasures
i mean converting to p3 and holding converted mats after p2 is basically more effective farming for next bunch 🙂 because i didnt have to double dip the 1/5 rate
distant tartan
exactly
vital lily
Gatrox lol
trim rover
ocean geyser
quartz linden
Pray to rngesus to get at least 8 from SR
I am missing 33, so I will have enough by the last day of Solo raid even if I dont get a single one from the drops
ebon cosmos
i mean converting to p3 and holding converted mats after p2 is basically more ef...
Wait so what's the optimal strat
What you just said doesn't make sense, convert all the mats to tove, but don't use the last 110?
distant tartan
no basically
dispatch for tove to slowly get P3
don't convert your already overfarmed mats from previous treasures to tove (besides getting enough to P2)
and then once you're done with tove either keep dispatching for hers or whatever P3 treasures you've done
this way you still have all the overfarmed dispatches and your new set to convert to the next set of treasures
because converting all now and overfarming it again means you're doing 2x the 5:1 ratio trade
instead of just doing it once in a few months
ebon cosmos
So only convert enough for p2 then save the excess
distant tartan
yup
realistically you could save a tiny bit more by waiting until you do a proper hit on SR to convert enough for P2
but eh
quartz linden
Main issue is that after getting tove to phase 3 you are basically back to farming 5x1 mats until they launch the next batch of treasure items (likely until next year)
Unless you want to go with Poli and Bay if you enjoy PvP
ebon cosmos
I'm waiting on p3 poli tests in case it somehow does trigger start of fight
bay is free treasure-wise, p1 is all of her value
icy stirrup
I do spreadout farming lol, I have like 8 T3 already
digital bronze
what is recommended ol skill for treasure tove?
quartz linden
what is recommended ol skill for treasure tove?
9/10/10
You can go for a lower S1 but will have to wait a few more seconds before bursting to snapshot 3 stacks on Tove's buff
digital bronze
maybe skill is not the right word, i mean ol stats maybe? like max ammo. does she need ele damage? etc
thanks
distant tartan
you don't even need ammo on her anymore with S1 practically giving her infinite ammo
so optimally for DPS you could hope you get 4 ele 4 atk but she has no requirements to work out of the box once you treasure her
rotund jolt
You probably get more value out of overload gear stats than any lines on it
Because of her gorilla attack share
unkempt copper
I saw a video about Tove giving infinite ammo on my feed but a lost it, do you know what's that's about?
dark widget
she gives herself infinite ammo
u see the reload 5.06?
if 5.06 of ur mag = 10 then u have infinite ammo
this stacks with bastion so its 5.06*1.42 = 7.18
so
7.18%x = 10
x = 10/0.0718 139.2 bullets, round up 140
obsidian harness
so
7.18%x = 10
x = 10/0.0718 139.2 bullets, round up 140
How do I get 140 bullets on my sgs
Oh it's for self
dark widget
How do I get 140 bullets on my sgs
u load up w/e the lvl 80 commanders use on their 40b co-op/sr runs
runic jay
123 is the threshold for infinite ammo for Tove
after her ammo buff is stacked full that puts her mag size at 129, that brings the refund from her skill every 10 shots to 7 after rounding
add in 3 from bastion and you're at 10 shots refunded for every 10 shots
river elk
so you just need slightly over 100% max ammo
she doesnt even need infinite ammo, the only gain from that is dmg and its negligible
icy stirrup
so you just need slightly over 100% max ammo
2 line of ammo
obsidian folio
With bad rolls, that's 3 lines
dark widget
With bad rolls, that's 3 lines <:delugiggle:784954888273920020>
just let her reload and call it a day her self dmg is weak anyways
runic jay
I literally left this tool for simulating ammo count in battle
indeed, though it has to be slightly adjusted to properly handle Tove and rounding points
cleaner way would be to make a separate function rather than adjust bastion directly, would also make it easier to handle scenarios of Tove at lower skills levels
but no real need to overhaul the entire thing for just Tove, even if you end up reloading with her you still wouldn't drop the buff now
tired cradle
New Tove breakpoints.
Treasure version.
Level 6 and 9.
Level 6 = good enough.
Level 9 = best (first FB doesn't suffer from waiting; recovery time after full-screen QTE decreased).
Level 6 = 3.75s of ramp-up time.
Level 9 = 2.5s of ramp-up time.
Level 5 below not recommended due to Max Ammo only +1 × 3 and 20 shots per stack.
Level 5 below IS recommended if you want to somehow pair them with SAnis (kinda cope).
dark widget
Level 5 below not recommended due to Max Ammo only +1 × 3 and 20 shots per stack...
wheres 5 with sanis cope 
safe vale
this is +3 no?
dark widget
this is +3 no?
i pulled up arcane knowledge specifically with priv it rounds her ammo down from 1 to 0 or smth
so even lvl 1 with just sanis is part brick
safe vale
distant tartan
maybe it's cause tove is hard coded to add +1/2 depending on her skill level
distant tartan
try grave
distant tartan
what if tove's ammo interaction was bugged
distant tartan
but 3D to 2D interaction 
dark widget
scope locked it
6+1-3 =4(tove)
1+5-3=3 (noir scope)
1+4-3=2(noir s2 at 5)
1+3-3=1(grave)
so tove s5 lvl 1 is 1+3-3 = 1 with priv
so sanis burst sets her ammo to 1 with lvl 9 burst, priv is unable to reduce past 1 but still adds -50.x% ammo reduction = -3 ammo for anything extra
distant tartan
safe vale
iirc ammo goes like
base ammo x (% increase - % decrease +1) + absolute ammo
so whatever you are cooking, won't work
dark widget
Doesn't scope lock remove treasure
does it matter? its still 6 ammo no?
dark widget
thats noir
dark widget
1 ammo sanis 5 ammo noir -3 ammo priv 1+5-3 = 3
dark widget
base ammo x (% increase - % decrease +1) + absolute ammo
it looks to be base ammo x (%increase -%decrease including what would cause them to be below 1 ammo + absolute ammo) floor to 1
to further that we should be accounting for rounding points between decreases instead of 1 lumpsum
5 ammo sanis base 73.92% down is 3.696 = 4 ammo down
5 ammo sanis base 50.66% down = 2.533 = 3 ammo down
dark widget
no cuz u take the % as a whole x ammo down
i guess u can take absolute out of the bracket without the +1 and floor the entire thing to express it better
floor(base ammo(% increase rounded individually - % decrease rounded individually)+absolute ammo, 1)
5-4-3+5 = 3 (noir)
5-4-3+4 = 2 (noir s2 lvl 5)
5-4-3+3 = 1 (grave/s1 lvl 5 tove)
5-4-3+6 = 4 (tove s1 lvl 9
shows my sanis burst lvl 9 = -4 ammo always, priv is -3 ammo always but 1 is minimum value for ammo
with sanis + priv being stuck at 1 despite having 5-4-3 = -2
runic jay
all buffs will round separately, the only time they add before rounding is when it is a stacking buff (OL lines are a stacking buff under the hood, each tier is its own stack)
and yes, ammo decrease is allowed to push the ammo stat into the negative, but the final value will be no less than 1 at the end
tired cradle
y does her own burst ammo reduction not round down tove bullets
Order.
We researched this.
But I'm not entirely sure.
But order does have a play.
I rmb this being researched.
tired cradle
😦
dark widget
convert each increase/reduce into rounded values as per regular rules
then add them all together
set minimum to 1 so u cant have 0 ammo
tired cradle
Ig ure right
Order must be for something different
Must have mixed it up
Oh I rmb
Its for refill ammo order
quartz linden
rotund jolt
more like rumpi
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vital lily
this guy is high? on website it says ss for normal one
jaunty silo
tove soap
jaunty silo
snek alive
safe vale
this guy is high? on website it says ss for normal one
Other bitches hasnt responded my ping
U should see those lines soom
warped lake
good job tove, prydwen rated her good
vital lily
