theorycrafting

[ocean turret]

Or something else

[quartz horizon]

still clearable

[ocean turret]

Ofc it is

[plain shoal]

gib is the only operator with a free vul stack and buff

[ocean turret]

But i just wanna know if theres a gilbless team who can still do burst shot bosses

[ashen scroll]

Try develop good habits like , reading not just ultimate but the whole kit , try understand it , so you just dont go around saying "rossi is useless after 1 ult "

[ocean turret]

Still cant move on eh?

[sturdy hill]

if ppl cant read nor think then how it is relevant

[ocean turret]

My bad ill take back what i said

[ocean turret]

https://tenor.com/view/stan-twt-evil-chihuahua-twt-memes-dog-gif-2124557923355771903

[sterile moat]

rossi endmin chen akekuri

technically more of a triple burst

[ocean turret]

fair fair

Instead of ember

How much uge does ake need?

[sterile moat]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qC2j55Tevgo

can check the gear here

pretty convinced by this comp over any of the pog variants

[ocean turret]

[icy remnant]

Akekuri is just better than Pog in a hybrid team

Instead of announcement of announcement we got official memes instead

[glad kestrel]

Thats a lot of masteries

[sterile moat]

welcome to phys comps

[warped idol]

what are the break points for ult gain with Gil?

[plain shoal]

Generally about +100 but depends on your rotation

[odd wren]

Fk you

[ocean turret]

Endgame content

[warped idol]

does anyoen have an image of Chen ult multiplier at m3?

[plain shoal]

https://wiki.skport.com/endfield/detail?mainTypeId=1&subTypeId=1&gameEntryId=4

[warped idol]

thanks

1k multiplier jesus christ

[neon cave]

xArmor and xKit mean the non-set redeemer gear

[warped idol]

do you think this is overkill

[sterile moat]

you only need 96% including passive for a 4 skill

[neon cave]

seems ideal for a 5 battle skill + 1 combo skill rotation per gil ult

[warped idol]

[neon cave]

your optimal ult gain eff really jsut depends on what team (and therefore what rotation) you're running

[elfin smelt]

hi, did you redo the credits sheet after Rossi release

I think we now get 4 clues per day

not including the one you get at reset

[neon cave]

oh i havent since ive been doing rossi calcs

should be relatively quick, lemmie do it now XD

[elfin smelt]

much appreciated xd

[neon cave]

is this what you wanted? the credit numbers

[elfin smelt]

yes ty

[neon cave]

this is rossi-ardelia-estella e4 with manual switching and max control nexus bonus regen

this one was the previous best with e4 ardelia-estella-akekuri

a whole 30creds more XD

[ocean turret]

Per day?💀

Oh right its clue

[neon cave]

well credit gain from giving out clues yes

[warped idol]

glory to hypergryph for putting in stanza today

[neon cave]

but more clues means more exchanges too

[elfin smelt]

and swapping too yea

[neon cave]

which is way more important if you're looking to optimally generate credits

[elfin smelt]

but that one is uncontrollable

[ocean turret]

Not good enough, change +hp to uge

[neon cave]

ive got some more sauce on the credit store too

[elfin smelt]

sauce?

[neon cave]

i tallied the credit store items for almost a month

[tardy swift]

so what gear should I put on rossi

[elfin smelt]

holy sheet

teach me your ways

[neon cave]

i dont think u want to XDDDD

i stopped because i screwed up the other day while recording it

[elfin smelt]

I only got this

the only data I track

[neon cave]

i mean the tickets and oroberyls are way more valuable

[elfin smelt]

what is even your line of study I don't think I can understand this XD

[neon cave]

but at the start of this, i was curious to see if one of the sanity-based mats was more worth getting than others

so i tallied everything

[elfin smelt]

hmm tbh even if those sanity-based mats are more valuable our eyes will be on the pull currency anyway

for average folks that is

[neon cave]

when in doubt, just buy all the rolls you see and all the 75%+ discounted items

[neon cave]

it's mostly just "how many times did this item appear in the store"

[elfin smelt]

yea that's what I do, and some 50% ones too if I get unlucky with my rerolls

[neon cave]

so like after 112 page refreshes (1120 items)

oroberyls and arsenal tickets make up roughly 6% of all the items

aka

[elfin smelt]

per refresh?

[neon cave]

whenever you refresh your credit page, there's a 6% chance for each item to be oroberyl/arselnal tickets

[icy remnant]

6% per item you mean

[elfin smelt]

really, I thought the chance is higher than that cos I've been getting 3/5 refresh most of the days

and there can only be one of the two right, never see both together

[neon cave]

*sry, i mean 6% per item

but each page has 10 items

literally getting 3 out of 50 items

is 6%

XDDDD

[neon cave]

that literally matches the numbers

[elfin smelt]

holy XD

[neon cave]

i find it interesting tho that i havent seen a 0% or 25% discounted arsenal ticket

[elfin smelt]

probly safe to say getting 20 arsenal and 25 oros per day is possible

assuming you can afford all 4 refresh

[neon cave]

i suppose they did that on purpose unless it's a "rare spawn" since it'd be quite expensive to buy it since it would cost 840 credits and 320 credits respectively

if you refreshed once or twice, you wouldnt be able to get it

it would probably frustrated people if they saw oroberyls/arsenal tcikets in their store but couldnt buy it XDD

[elfin smelt]

now I just wonder if I we can squeeze more credits to get the other basic mats

[neon cave]

yeaahh pretty much

hence 75%

i havent done the math but if you only cared about rolls, you roll until you cant and never buy anything else

*or only buy sanity mats when ur out of refreshes and are over 300 creds

but it's probably more optimal as a whole to buy some sanity mats since you're not guaranteed a roll every page

[elfin smelt]

my simple approach is rerolling and get the 75% ones along the way

[neon cave]

yea same

will people pay attention to clues and their dijiang once they realize they can get more pulls everyday

[elfin smelt]

I just show them the total amount

per month

[neon cave]

wwww i think a lot of people on my friendslist stopped looking at their dijiang cuz so many people's clues are full now

even tho theyre active everyday

lol

also the scummy strat ive been using seems to have been working

*to get more clue exchanges

i feels like ive been getting clue exchanges every 2-3 days now

[elfin smelt]

which is?

[open narwhal]

i only care about arsenal and oro atp

[neon cave]

when you give clues, theres a list of people to send it to right?

the list puts people with the least number of clues on top (so people who are 1 clue away can get their clue exchange already)

it also seems to put people who are online on top too

so what i do is, if i can, i leave my game open so im online, and i only leave 1-2 clues open at a time

the clues that you generated, even if you dont pin them, count as having them on the friends list, so they appear blocked out

so like rn

im missing clues 3 and 5

i have clue 3s that i generated

i dont give them out to people yet

but rn, on people's friendslist, i should appear near the top

cuz im "1 clue away from exchange" since im only missing clule 5

once i get clue 5

i give awway my clue 3s

so that only my clue 3 is open again

that way i dont lose credits by using my own clues

and at the same time, keep my name higher up on the list

for a longer period of time

if i go offline, i leave more clues open

usually i dont go beyond 3 open at a time tho

as for the clues that i gfot from other people (like lets say clue 4, i got a clue 4 from someone else)

if i generated a clue 4

i keep it

until i finish the next exchange

so that when i finish the exchange

my board will seem full again

which keeps my name on top of the list

XDDDD

[elfin smelt]

so hoarding basically?

[neon cave]

yep XDD

[elfin smelt]

and fill your slots to make it appear like you have 5/7 or so XD

yea it's valid

[icy remnant]

One thing about this is that it also counts your mail box clues

[neon cave]

cuz i think for most people, unless ur giving to only specific friends, you'll pretty much always give the clues to the first person on your list

[icy remnant]

I’m permanently full on all 7 clues to my friendslist

Cus I keep stock of excess clues in there

[neon cave]

i had my suspicions, but good to know theres confirmation lol

thats why it's okay to leave 2 open at a time too

since being compeltely full will put u at the bottom of the list again

and reove the bonus for other people

[icy remnant]

Yep

Best bet for getting the clues you want is simply just trading instead of hoping you get lucky from someone gifting it though

[neon cave]

you hoard, but you still never use your own clues (unless u rolled oroberyls/arsenal tickets that you're a few credits off)

[icy remnant]

You swap your own clues with another person
Your clue 3 for their clue 3

Bypasses the 20 clue limit, get extra 30 credits for the clue exchange you were gonna do anyways

[neon cave]

ive never been near the 20 clue limit

[icy remnant]

[elfin smelt]

same

I clue exchange everyday lmao

[neon cave]

i always give mine away

[icy remnant]

Ive been exchanging clues non stop for the past ~45 days

[neon cave]

bro has active reception room friends

[icy remnant]

I mean yea they’re all in #clue-exchange-asia

lol

[elfin smelt]

oh but that requires you to ask for clues xd

[neon cave]

yeah

[rich linden]

Wdym trading?

Oh like asking people outside of game

I thought it was a feature ingame

[neon cave]

in theory tho, we shouldnt be able to get the clue exchange everyday since the maximum clues you can generate per day is only 3.7+1 rn

[rich linden]

Chat my wrist keeps getting fucky when I play video games. Am I doing something wrong help

[neon cave]

if everyone played optimally and equally, we'd only be getting clue exchange every other day

[terse valley]

Hospital

[ocean turret]

Cut yo wrist

[rich linden]

Buh

[ocean turret]

So it wont hurt again

[rich linden]

That would hurt a lot more

This is like mild honestly (pain wise) but it does significantly impact my mechanics

[ocean turret]

How would that hurt if you dont have a wrist

Leg dilemma

[rich linden]

Have u ever been cut before

[ocean turret]

Nope

[ocean turret]

Where will it hurt tho?

[rich linden]

Also if i dont have a wrist I cant climb so clearly not an option

[ocean turret]

Welp

[rich linden]

Anyway something about meta and endfield character's best weapon option

[ocean turret]

Whut

[icy remnant]

Hm I wonder how good a p6 Ardelia actually is

Corrosion feels stronger than people give it credit for

[rich linden]

Its pretty good actually, you have full potency corrosion more consistently

[icy remnant]

And you can build towards arts intensity too

I assume you just drop her sig and just go for Stanza, full arts intensity and just spam combo skills

And its effects while already strong vs mobs with no resistance, gets exponentially more powerful against enemies with high resistance

Pity we can’t play into it until p6 Ardelia

[icy remnant]

[cold bane]

Rest your wrist for a week, no typing etc, if pain returns after that ask a doctor

[nova lance]

so is rossi gud

[terse valley]

short answer: yes

long answer: ||yeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeessssssssss||

[lime bear]

is this the best Leava set rn

switched this from my seals set

[nova lance]

how gud

[exotic crypt]

ult gain is better if you are doing longer content without starting with ult ready

[lime bear]

like Umbral?

[exotic crypt]

otherwise hot work accessories provide more sheet damage

[lime bear]

hw 3p is better for boss trim I think

now that we have start ult

[exotic crypt]

ult gain is also dependent on character and weapon potentials

so it's not a black and white choice

yeah if you are starting with ult ready then stacking real damage stats rather than ult gain is going to be better of course

[icy remnant]

Rossi is very good but tied to the hip to Gilberta

She’s still good without Gilberta but not above other dpses

[gritty olive]

ult gain is marginally better at 4+0, better at 4+4, and the defacto best for 5+0/1/2/3/4/5

hotworks should still be better for trimming since i assumed in my sheets we start with 0 energy

[lime bear]

I'm p0p0

[icy remnant]

What do all those numbers mean

[gritty olive]

my recommendation is HW if you would do only one

[exotic crypt]

potentials

character/weapon

i am assuming

[gritty olive]

thats how chinese people do it

instead of potential 0 chara + potential 0 weapon being p0p0, the cn comm refer to it as 0+0

[exotic crypt]

p0p0 = poorpoor

[nova lance]

does that mean shes above other dpses with gilb?

[rich linden]

Mine is already maxxing ai at p0 xdd

Since she doesnt really care ab any other stat

[gritty olive]

this is what i had

im not gonna change this

[rich linden]

But im addicted to league :(

[icy remnant]

Yes

[exotic crypt]

quite the jump from 4+4 to 5+5 on ult gain

[rich linden]

Cus p5 very poggers

[icy remnant]

Pog mentioned

[rich linden]

BREUH

Fixed

[icy remnant]

https://tenor.com/view/endfield-arknights-pogranichnik-come-outside-we-wont-jump-you-gif-17319726095124074984

[nova lance]

Which dpses

[gritty olive]

theres no dmg bonus for ultgain

[icy remnant]

All of them

[exotic crypt]

theoretical dps, not per hit damage

[gritty olive]

so every bonus damage from forgeborn duplicates counts

[exotic crypt]

but yeah i get what you mean

[gritty olive]

no like legit you dont have any damage modifiers from the ultgain

[sterile moat]

looking at former refinery, would be so funny if a cc content came out that makes it op

[exotic crypt]

im just referring to the numbers on the chart

its carried by weapon, yeah

[gritty olive]

hotworks has and armor

double slab has double slab

ultgain has nothing

[exotic crypt]

i was referring to the numbers here, but i get your point lol

[gritty olive]

i was arguing as to what im doing here when iw as simming

[exotic crypt]

[dry kindle]

what is wrong with you

[honest hill]

[cold bane]

pain is your body warning you before you take permanent damage.

[honest hill]

What if he wants permanent damage

[daring dove]

@midnight stirrup So I tried controlling Rossi instead of Tangtang but suprisingly the performance is actually worse.

It doesn't impact the damage of Rossi's nuke at all but it does lock you from being able to plung ATK to trigger Tangtang nuke as well.

[open narwhal]

league ruin your life, drop it

[daring dove]

Tried about 15 times now only got 1 good clear

Sometimes I'm not even 1 shotting with Rossi control where as it's always a 1 shot with Tangtang control.

[sterile moat]

i mean yea, you are missing like 1 full basic attack chain or something

[daring dove]

Yeah Tangtang control is the way to play the team which is a good thing anyway because it also gives you much better combat awareness when controlling Tangtang as you can see the battle with a more zoomed out view instead of just viewing a huge boss body which is Rossi's view.

Rossi is too locked down by her own ult.

[sterile moat]

also tangtang sliding out of aoes lmao

she has the best feeling basic attack combo

makes me more and more tempted to p5 her

since i am controlling her that much

[outer ermine]

this reminds me of ruan runs

stupid ais chase after ruan, jumps to u, and now they all have to run back

[daring dove]

Yep

[outer ermine]

press tt ult and shits all the way back to the waterfall

[lyric latch]

The painful wait continues

[honest hill]

ye

me bored already of this patch

[icy remnant]

You know I just kind of realised smth

Endmin Chen Perlica Rossi is probably competitive for the Gilbertaless Rossi teams

[lime bear]

that was quick

[daring dove]

Just managed to combine Tangtang plunge + Rossi ult perfectly creating my new favorite run. https://streamable.com/txcuat

[icy remnant]

Low key kind of tempted to roll for Rossi so I can use the Trio tgt

[low viper]

which is the best for investigation room? ardelia+rossi+estella, or ardelia+rossi+akekuri?

[plain shoal]

estella

[outer ermine]

ditch perlica ult and swap to perlica b4 tt ult and jump

[signal sundial]

I somehow accidentally trimmed it without even trying to go for it

[daring dove]

I'd have to swap Perlica to Deto unit then right & spend 200 SP on her to trigger it?

[signal sundial]

200s is really generous but you wouldn't feel that having to FUCKING CHASE ORBS

[outer ermine]

just slap monaihe u just need the electrification from her

[neon cave]

How long do arts ibflictions / vuln last on an enemy b4 it disappears?

[lime bear]

I had to eat food cuz I did it with Laevatain Seals build

not enough damage for 1st rot

[signal sundial]

I did it with electric with no food

[daring dove]

I can still 1 rot without Stanza buff but it seems to add a second to the clear time.

What I need is just better artificing on Rossi

But my luck has been really bad so need to wait for next weeks reset now.

I can precast Perlica ult though before Rossi combo skill to reduce rotation a little.

[drifting berry]

Question, does Endmin investment matter that much on Rossi teams? Want to know if lvl 80 with rank9 ult and BSkill is enough or if I should go for lvl 90 and maybe masteries?

I'm using Grand Vision on endmin, I don't have the other 6* weapon

[daring dove]

I guess it depends how much you want that second nuke off Endmin which can be quite substantial.

It does matter I think as Endmin can likely end up about 30% of the teams damage once fully maxed.

[west viper]

she does decent damage

like 20-25%

[drifting berry]

Got it, guess I'm just going to leave her at that investment for now while I farm for her weapon essences

Combo matters?

[uncut schooner]

Good afternoon, are there any calculators besides Endaxis?

[west viper]

combo is the main thing

[drifting berry]

Not using her as control so I'm leaving basic at 1

[west viper]

yea it's technically better to use her on field but i want to use rossi :D

i might change some keybinds to switch between characters when i ult or skill with rossi

probably not cba

[drifting berry]

And again poor, tcreds are killing me

[daring dove]

I need to finish my Endmin investment soon, gotta P5 her weapon & finish essence.

Sod it lets do it now it looks pretty cool.

[ashen scroll]

Eminem rapute

[cold bane]

surely future potentials of endmin won't introduce total chaos into gear/weapon

[daring dove]

buff weapons are usually safer long term than personal damage weapons anyway. Not that the Endmin actually loses much personal damage with this weapon.

It's nice she can pretty much enable the buff straight away in battle if you want just by spamming BS twice.

When she eats 4 stacks the ATK buff goes hard.

Considering I haven't even maxed essence yet & have done zero artificing you could be looking at 7.5-8k ATK Endmin.

With just self buffs.

[daring dove]

Wait a minute

I just realised there's no limit on the number of stacks Endmin can consume.

Obviously the use case is limited since you need multiple enemies with stacks on them.

But in theory you can consume 12 stacks x7 if you had 3 enemies with 4 stacks.

Meaning you can provide the team with a 49% ATK buff

[gritty olive]

does rossi gain her ult in 6 skills, 2 cs total

[high finch]

man it's sad that we got only 1 phase of umbral this patch instead of 2 like last one

hope 1.2 will give us 2 again

[golden rapids]

Ig that team is done? not sure what gears I give tt tbh, I used theese from iana's doc but eh idk, shes p1 in my case

And I need essences: lr;6,6,3 xaihi;1,1,3 gilberta;1,1,3 and tangtang???? tt;6,6,3???? idk

[daring dove]

@drifting quest

Endmin sig is way worse than buff weapon at P5,

You can do meme stuff to get almost infinite ATK% buff.

That's zero artificing on my Endmin & Essence isn't maxed.

No food buffs.

[drifting quest]

I mean stat page alone GV gives more

24 more agility, 11% more unconditional attack%

it does more for practical damage too, maybe ignoring the edge case of like p5p5 entire team in which I admittedly lack any calcs to look at, nor have I done any myself

[daring dove]

128% ATK buff

Shuo it doesn't

[drifting quest]

is that unbuffed or buffed

[daring dove]

That's just Endmin & Pog ATK buff so Endmin is giving 100% ATK buff.

[drifting quest]

if you have repute proc'd then yeah

it gives more attack on stat page

my bad for not being clear I meant unbuffed stat page, since I assumed that was what you were showing

but stat page doesnt account for AI, Dam%

[daring dove]

Fully artficied here my Endmin would be like 8.5k-9k ATK.

[drifting quest]

in the same conditions, prebuffed, GV is more attack on the stat page
post buff Repute will have more attack on stat page
for personal damage GV will win by quite a bit
for team damage GV still wins at p0 vs p0
i dont know how that scales up for p5 vs p5
but given you have to route around repute whereas you don't need to for gv I'd suspect there's a similar case
for rossi it is also just worse than running a better buffer anyway

[daring dove]

Chen getting 80% ATK Buff.

[edgy elk]

so @daring dove im curious
if u do 1vuln->crush over and over again will you build up more and more atk%? or just refresh duration

not that you'd ever do that. but hypothetical

[drifting quest]

it'll refresh

you can only have one repute buff at a time

[edgy elk]

ah...
so the only way to gigabuff repute is if you have a tonna enemies to splash. got it

[drifting quest]

same applies for multiple repute holders in the future

I think someone mentioned repute caps at 4

but that might have been a bug and patched

or they were wrong

[daring dove]

Not even close to correct to be honest, in the scanario I'm presenting here. For personal damage buff weapon would absolutely destroy GV. 84 Arts Intensity on Endmin isn't work 30% ATK.

But this only works on groups of mobs.

[drifting quest]

uptime matters

repute is giga backloaded

gv is not

[daring dove]

It's perma uptime you can trigger this weapon buff instantly for 100SP.

It's more front-loaded than GV

[drifting quest]

you have to stack up to 4 vuln first

gv procs on combo

[daring dove]

No you don't

You con trigger with 1 stack if you want

[drifting quest]

a 1 stack repute buff is

really not competing

it has like 10% more attack than GV at that point

assuming p5 repute

[daring dove]

It's 49% ATK buff how is that not competing

[drifting quest]

repute has 39%

and more damage%

and AI

and more agility

so the practical gap in atk is lower

you also

grief your routing to 1 stack repute anyway

[daring dove]

We're talking about different scenarios here. Sometimes you aren't doing a whole rotation.

[drifting quest]

im aware

[mystic halo]

why the fuck would you ever activate it with 1 stack intentionally

this is possibly the worst idea Ive ever heard

[daring dove]

Fighting trash mobs for a quick clear.

Use your brain.

[drifting quest]

atp gv is just even better

[mystic halo]

if the mob is dead to 2 buttons

yeah why not use gv lol

[drifting quest]

the only argument for repute I can think of is like speedrun boss on like rossi chen endmin

but that speedruns slower than arts rossi

phys rossi's argument is for extended fights where repute has similar issues in general

[daring dove]

GV can't give an borderline infinite ATK% buff for the team in some situations.

Which is what I have been testing.

It's mostly meme stuff atm granted & wouldn't work practically for a lot of bosses.

[gritty olive]

is there someone with rossi m12 + p0 glorious memory

i need someone to do n1 to n5

[daring dove]

Pretty much yeah, gotta hit 3 of 4 enemies with it.

[drifting quest]

if you wait like 2 weeks

ill get her the last day of the banner and can prob prefarm m12

[gritty olive]

ive finally got a damage right

like one damage tick, which is one n1

[daring dove]

Where are you getting 39% from btw, it's 28 + 14 + 7.

[drifting quest]

i meant gv

49% on repute vs 39% on gv

[gritty olive]

2371/1.5 = 1580

[daring dove]

Yeah GV maybe a little better at that point as the team wide damage buff would only be 10.5-11% ATK depends on teamwide damage contribution at that point.

But that's only 1 stack.

[gritty olive]

ok this video is funny

that means if the user gains a lupine stack, the attack itself wouldnt benefit from the lupine stack but rather the next attack

[drifting quest]

after conditional moment

[drifting quest]

the main issue is wholly that you have to backload damage into after you consume stacks
it makes it clear slower in most cases
it makes it harder to play
it can misalign energy, ults, etc. to get value out of it
its a sunk cost sort of weapon

you're going to jump through hoops to get value out of it

[daring dove]

Not really the case to be honest, as long as Endmin is the one eating your Vuln stacks the buff is active during the main damage window every time.

If Endmin isn't the one eating the Vuln stacks

You simply don't use the weapon that's the only condition it's not harder to use in any meaningful way.

Front-loaded nature of GV is irrelevant to be honest since you're getting extra DMG% on normals while building for your combo

It makes zero difference.

Not a world in which GV is better than buff weapon if Endmin is the one that eats your Vuln stacks P5 vs P5.

[tight haven]

youre making bold enough claims here that i think posting rotation or team damage maths is warranted

afaict none of the cn whales have batted an eye at repute and in my own testing it has been too hard to consistently trigger to the benefit of any team to which endmin belongs

[daring dove]

Rossi team it works.

[drifting quest]

i mean lets look at the 3 teams:

mono phys: I hope it would be obvious why the weapon is weaker, since you either crush early for repute buff and delay breach, or breach first and delay repute buff. Add on the fact that you then also have to delay chen ult and endmin ult to after your repute and you can easily misalign their uptimes and other buff windows like lifeng susceptibility

rossi: similar issues in that you have to wait to stack to 4 vuln to get any major value out of it. If its a 2:2 team where rossi and endmin are the only physical units then that's frankly miserable delay to get the good repute buff. if its a 3:1 team with like chen or lifeng then you have similar issues of trying to match buff uptimes, delaying rossi combo, etc.

shatter: honestly probably the case where it has most potential to be viable but I dont care for shatter so I wouldnt know

[tight haven]

in phys you spend your sp on lifeng at high invests, in rossi you don't just spam endmin 24/7 either

[mystic halo]

post the rotation and excel sheet king

[gritty olive]

opal helo

[mystic halo]

show us the dpsp and dps

[gritty olive]

can you double check for me a damageless rotation for now, check base

https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/119sxiIymwbF-eA3JLMWDr1MMA3Cqk7cmlfgpe7gQoBA/edit?gid=706701141#gid=706701141

[mystic halo]

as in if it works or not?

[gritty olive]

validity of the rotation correct

[daring dove]

I don't have PHY team built an my investment if frankly irrelevant because my damage is super inflated compared to normal user.

Building Endmin for Rossi team.

[mystic halo]

you can do a spreadsheet

show us a spreadsheet

[tight haven]

you dont need a team built to show a rotation

like build the timeline

[drifting quest]

to be fair

ive spent hour(s) on endaxis doing a rot

and then i go try test it

and i fucked up the sp

and then i mald and cry and stop working on that for days

[tight haven]

this is all a matter of how much repute beats gv in ideal scenarios anyway

[mystic halo]

oh this looks grim

[tight haven]

so this is exactly where a timeline is more useful than a practical showcase

[gritty olive]

the baseline?

[mystic halo]

wait what is stopping you from just opening the game and trying it

[gritty olive]

because i might be dogshit

[daring dove]

In ideal scenarios it will beat it by quite a lot because the ideal scanario's are where Endmin is a low % of the teams damage. In which case the extra 21% ATK Buff for the team is a lot more benefiical you don't need to sheet that to figure out.

It's common sense.

[gritty olive]

just try to look if im missing something

[mystic halo]

show us the spreadsheet

[tight haven]

can you post the rotation lol

[mystic halo]

show us the figures

[daring dove]

I can record a rotation, sure, if youy want to see one.

[tight haven]

like its fine to just say youre going entirely off vibes but then you cant make claims as you are that repute is beating gv at p5

[gritty olive]

is this me or striker guy

[mystic halo]

not you

[tight haven]

yeah not you

[daring dove]

But again how is that relevant to anything my team damage is massively inflated compared to yours.

[mystic halo]

look in all honesty I dont care enough to do this currently surely we can do something like this ourselves

maybe you dont have the character but surely then there is someone whose account you can borrow

[drifting quest]

people were getting temp bans for account sharing

[gritty olive]

mod advocating for a tos violation

[drifting quest]

when it was triggering impossible travel safety net things

same for vpns

[icy remnant]

Osht

[drifting quest]

naturally tos violation too yeah but I wont tell if you dont

[icy remnant]

That means people using Lootbar etc can get hit

[drifting quest]

i mean yeah

usually it was fixable by just emailing support but

can be a hassle

[tight haven]

they probably have nuanced detection systems for lootbar

[drifting quest]

no endfield for a couple days

[tight haven]

probably

[gritty olive]

the account sharing clause is just a failsafe for HG
"if you made someone use your account and they eat all your essences, youre on your own"

[drifting quest]

id expect they have known IPs that are 'allowed'

[gritty olive]

"its not our fault go fuck yourself "

[drifting quest]

Popular VPNs for example

[tight haven]

yeah

[icy remnant]

If popular VPNs are allowed then account stealers just need to use those VPNs

[tight haven]

like "oh they logged in and bought shit then logged out" seems to not trigger their systems but im unsure if thats because they just allow it for lootbar and similar third-party sellers' stuff

[gritty olive]

hoyoverse recently made an announcement that "its fine"

[tight haven]

or if they track account activity before flagging impossible travel as suspicious

[gritty olive]

idk if the same leniency applies to mister haimaogryph

[tight haven]

didnt they say that theyre NOT allowing lootbar

[drifting quest]

HG has an online topup portal so probably a bit less lenient

[tight haven]

or am i remembering wrong

[drifting quest]

i thought hoyo banned third party topup sites

[icy remnant]

Anyways I don’t think it’s that hard to compare GV damage vs 21% attack w Repute on Rossis Ult
If I’m a betting man I’d probably say repute wins

[drifting quest]

i mean

[icy remnant]

Especially if the team has Gilberta Perlica

[drifting quest]

think of it this way

gilberta perlica rossi endmin

how long does it take to get to repute buff

where is your vuln coming from

how much sp are you investing

[tight haven]

yeah the issue here is that every crush is 100 sp by itself

not counting how much you spend to get to 4 stacks

[icy remnant]

We’re just treating him as a buffer here right

Like a sub dps buffer

[drifting quest]

its like
100 sp > endmin skill [1]
perlica > gilberta combo [2]
100 sp > 1 infliction
rossi combo [4]
100 sp > endmin crush, repute buff active

300sp to get repute buff

[tight haven]

how often are you doing this in, say, 14s so you get a consistent ~42% atk

[cold bane]

technically you can sacrifice some endmin ult dmg for +50 sp

[drifting quest]

if you want to save sp you have to wait for either rossi or gilberta combo cooldown

[icy remnant]

I don’t think you’re supposed to waste SP on Endmin

[drifting quest]

all this time you have to save your ults

to use them while buffed by repute

[icy remnant]

Just use the team normally and crush after Gilberta Ult

Into Rossi Ult

[drifting quest]

so that energy is being wasted

[icy remnant]

[tight haven]

if youre doing hyperbuff strats then, you'd just prefer perlica in that situation

[drifting quest]

ok so at best you wait 20 seconds

[icy remnant]

Pelicas already in the team

[drifting quest]

you just run another better buffer

[tight haven]

this is the issue i run into with this stuff, when you do that then you just do not run endmin

[drifting quest]

who can buff sooner

[tight haven]

or if not perli then antal

[drifting quest]

or you know

tangtang

for damage and buffing

[tight haven]

like there's a long list to go down before you do endmin

even tangtang does more here yeah

[drifting quest]

less sp, faster buffs, better buffs

[icy remnant]

Perlica Gilberta Rossi Endmin
So you basically swap Akekuri for Endmin for a 2nd dps
So you have the flexibility of doing damage outside of just ults

And not just boss showcases

[drifting quest]

endmin dps without buffs is pretty

mediocre

[tight haven]

tangtang does that though

[drifting quest]

esp if on repute not gv

[icy remnant]

TangTang is limited

And you really want their weapon

[chilly bolt]

still no dev log news? i was expecting it to be this sunday

[drifting quest]

less time to plan

haha

imagine wanting to know patch details ahead of time

[tight haven]

probably tomorrow

[icy remnant]

Anyways Rossis main point is flexibility

And Endmin does fit into the bill

[drifting quest]

shadow dropping it with no teaser ahead of time

[icy remnant]

Of being usable with Rossi

[drifting quest]

would be so funny

[icy remnant]

And we’re comparing GV vs Repute

I don’t see a reason why you’d dismiss Repute

[tight haven]

oh true

[drifting quest]

it's just worse in basically every case you could choose to run it

[tight haven]

dude what if they do release the dev log a week before 1.2

[drifting quest]

that is the crux of the argument

thats what the expectation is

teaser on monday

dev log goes out on thursday

[icy remnant]

I was hoping dev log on Sunday

Sigh

[tight haven]

im against it because the basis for its usage is weak and people just keep going "trust me bro" without posting rots

id be far less antagonistic if literally anybody doing this shit could post a rotation

[drifting quest]

i want to test if it got a shadow buff or not

but i dont own it

[icy remnant]

But yea as of right now in that Arts team Endmin
I don’t see how GV can be better in any scenario because there’s just nothing buffing Endmin
You can say just use TangTang for sub dps but she’s a limited unit that really wants her weapon

I don’t have her nor her weapon just me observing

[drifting quest]

gv is better for personal damage and is less intrusive to the rotation

you have to go out of your way to fit repute in

which makes the rot worse

[daring dove]

Hope you are all happy

[tight haven]

also if youre investing in repute then you likely have access to a better option

[daring dove]

I had to create an entirely new rotation that works for the buff weapon

[tight haven]

like the use case here feels super contrived for the claim that repute is "just" better

[daring dove]

Makes Endmin about as good as Perlica

With buff weapon

[icy remnant]

Oh here it is

[daring dove]

Since you where all talking smack.

[icy remnant]

Grab popcorn

Would like to see Repute be good

[tight haven]

it would be pretty funny

[drifting quest]

as always its a measure of assumptions

if you constrain enough repute will have cases it will win

[daring dove]

Uploading now

[drifting quest]

they are just not generic

[tight haven]

p much

[icy remnant]

I mean it could very well be worse than TangTang w sig but that’s a limited operator+ sig combo

[drifting quest]

see main dps crit perlica

[icy remnant]

And damn that’s expensive

[drifting quest]

being optimal

[tight haven]

i heavily dislike these claims of weapons "always beating" another without rots or assumptions getting posted

this was already a headache with rascent vs gm

with absolutely nobody stipulating that you use rascent for speedruns where chen doesnt get to stack

[icy remnant]

Doesn’t rapid ascent really want the stagger

Can you stagger without stacking

[tight haven]

yes

[icy remnant]

GM seems so easy to stack for me

[tight haven]

in specific rots then GM doesnt get full stacks off and rascent can beat it marginally in those rots

[icy remnant]

That sounds really edge case

[tight haven]

exactly

gm is better for general use

but rascent is great and can be better if you have the hands for it

not just if youre firing off ult whenever it glows and breach/susc are up

[drifting quest]

inverse applied too with a lot of people assuming 100% uptime on rascent

for general gameplay

which was annoying

[daring dove]

Actually I can improve this rotation somewhat I'm doing this backwards using Endmin ult before enabling their ATK buff.

An SP isn't stopping me doing it the other way around

I'll post what I have now anyway.

I think I can definitely clear quicker with Endmin that I can Perlica if fully built.

[regal fractal]

what is the best team to get the most damage out of a single rossi ult

[daring dove]

Another 2 mins for server to process.

[drifting quest]

gilb perlica antal

[next helm]

What I've liked doing for daily domain farm (protohedron money etc 1 wave) TT, xiahi, perlica, gilberta
Pre cast gilberta skill => xaihi and gilberta ults when enemies appear => TT skill => Perlica ult => tt, gilb combos => tt ult and dive

[drifting quest]

there's arguments for other teams

[next helm]

This usually kills the whole pack

[drifting quest]

i know gilb perlica ard has some better speedrun times

[daring dove]

To be fair for single rotation 1 ult Rossi damage that likely is the strongest.

[sterile moat]

Wasnt it akekuri instead of perlica

[daring dove]

It's terrible for multiple rots though

Well terrible is a bold statement

Worse

[tight haven]

should be kuri > antal purely for link

[drifting quest]

i can see it

[icy remnant]

Right now all everyone cares about is beating up Rhodagn

[tropic wharf]

how do we check it, in Rhodgn? If so, it fails on Count 9

[tight haven]

he is the training dummy

[sterile moat]

My favourite is beating up agony rock now

[icy remnant]

Need server wide raid boss

[sterile moat]

No phase change, pure dummy with 100% up time

[daring dove]

Ok. Here is what I have so far for Endmin in Rossi team. https://streamable.com/umnx8i

Can improve it a ton though

An it's only 3 seconds slower than my Perlica clears rn

Obvious in this scenario buff weapon is going to win.

If anyone wants to claim otherwise

go ahead.

But show evidence.

[near ether]

remove endmin add perlica. and see more dmg

[chilly bolt]

did you forget rossi bs

[outer ermine]

bro is lost in sauce

[gritty olive]

fails how so?

[sterile moat]

Speedruns dont even use any rossi skill but ult

[gritty olive]

check as in validity of the rotation, ideally with video, but however you can confirm it is false or somehow

[sterile moat]

[daring dove]

Perlica is more damage because Stanza ATK buff is better + Electrication.

However Endmin will deal more personal damage

[tropic wharf]

Akekuri Combo trigger on 9

My best attempt following until count 13

[gritty olive]

this is versus 300 toughness with swordmancer endmin, and assumes that the lift does 10 more stagger

this is good still because me and raizer want rossi ult to have the enemy staggered

[outer ermine]

sin

nvm fuck i forgor

[tropic wharf]

From my testing, slotting 2 Strikes after Endmin Combo fizzles out the Crystalized

[gritty olive]

🥀

[tropic wharf]

unless your point is to not use the SP return

[daring dove]

Bla got a really nice run & wasn't recording

[edgy elk]

who sinned

exile them

[chilly bolt]

looking at this perhaps it's not that bad to M3 rossi basic?

[icy remnant]

It’s never bad to m3 basics for the character you’re on fielding

[terse valley]

tf is that why is ult so low

rossi damage in a vacuum?

[gritty olive]

this isnt completed yet mister

[terse valley]

[gritty olive]

this is from my previous laev sheet

[chilly bolt]

[gritty olive]

[chilly bolt]

i mean

prydwen

[gritty olive]

prydw*b

[terse valley]

brother

[gritty olive]

please dont use prydwen ever again

[chilly bolt]

idk how real this is but basic is still making up a good portion

[gritty olive]

i would never trust them unless they give me how they assumed to sim their dps

[terse valley]

they cant even made a chart like a normal person

[gritty olive]

sir this doesnt add up

to 100%

[icy remnant]

Math ain’t mathing for 300

[warped idol]

basic finishers do a lot at m3

[gritty olive]

900% scaling when the

[daring dove]

Naw consistency with Endmin is definitely worse than Perlica overall. That said my Endmin is only half built rn so the comparison is a little unfair.

Not that I ever expected Endmin to be better than Perlica in a Rossi team that fact shes even close is the surpise to me.

[honest hill]

it doesn't make any sense ngl

[drifting quest]

they include lin's rot in the team synergy but use a different team for calcs

so hard to say

assumedly a similar rot setup

you'd hope at least

numbers are still questionable

[gritty olive]

for me the rot im simming has eight n5s

if those are casted uninterrupted, that gives a respsectable 3304% total scaling

[chilly bolt]

numbers...

rossi basic sequence is still bad regardless

[gritty olive]

this *8

[gritty olive]

but then what are you going to do with the downtime of skills

you just n5 with your active character which usually is turbobuffed

i wouldnt advocate for m3 basics but it has some merit if yorue minmaxxing damage

[chilly bolt]

i use tangtang comp and wonder if i should tt on field or rossi

[gritty olive]

youre on your own sir

[drifting quest]

if you manage lupine stacks then tangtang

if you dont then rossi

can also just

quickswap

if you have the hands

[chilly bolt]

i use GM

[gritty olive]

its funny how im having this currently

i havent accounted for rossi talents and vulnerability stacks

[daring dove]

Does anyone know the average percentage a character gets stronger through artificing from no artificing to max?

[gritty olive]

anyways i need to explore genshin byebye

[daring dove]

Obviously for a DPS unit

[gritty olive]

its hard to assess because everything has base values

but all stats gets buffed by 30% total with full artifive with each upgrade giving 10%

you should be seeing an atmost 30% damage increase from artificing alone

[chilly bolt]

that sounds too high

[gritty olive]

yeah that assumes you dont have base stats

[daring dove]

I suppose it depends on the set bonuses

[gritty olive]

but you have intrinsic base stats

[drifting berry]

High cortisol spike

[dry mason]

[gritty olive]

anyways yall on your own now again guys

im gonna play three more gacha game dailies
i dont have all the time in the world to simualte

[drifting berry]

gotta keep the grind

[daring dove]

Yeah I think I'd need Endmin a lot better artificed to replace Perlica, rn there's about a 15-20% damage short fall. Making Endmins ult M3 would help a lot but I could do that for Perlica as well.

[gritty olive]

suzuran isnt even my most favorite operator in arknights

[bronze plume]

https://tenor.com/view/dexter-james-doakes-erik-king-stare-staring-gif-1343162792415382650

[honest hill]

I see

[bronze plume]

W

[drifting quest]

my favourite operator has like 2 pieces of merch

[drifting berry]

https://tenor.com/view/blue-archive-kuru-kuru-gif-13043431326961271055

[drifting quest]

and one doesnt get sold anymore

ok neither get sold anymore yostar store is dead

thats a lie i was on the wrong tab

[bronze plume]

Yostar moment

[drifting quest]

oh she has more

[gritty olive]

.pepe

[crystal coral]

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/956086673530314832/1267577150551363685/lowlight_dance.gif

[drifting quest]

1 plush, 1 acrylic charm, 1 metal pin

could be worse

certainly never paying yostar prices for any of it though

Pepe has more merch

Since its a namie child

[daring dove]

I tried with out without Rossi battle skill in Perlica team because I have an extra 100 SP spare there.

I still clear approximately slower with Rossi BS sadly.

Hoped it might improve things a little.

[chilly bolt]

p5 privilege

[outer ermine]

was gonna ask something but i still cant remember

imma go back to shatter for now

[edgy elk]

ima go back to tangtang mdps

LR lonely 🥀

[outer ermine]

[smoky quarry]

It seems to me like a big fumble to not call reconveners "revenants". This word is better known, sounds more pretentious, and is very self-explanatory

[outer ermine]

oh yea theres a 15s backstab w yvonne "p0"

[smoky quarry]

Also it basically means the same

Words have same origins

[edgy elk]

bet xaihi wep swap

[outer ermine]

||sig was p4||

[edgy elk]

oh ezpz i did my backstab with p0 artzy
||vonn was p5||

[outer ermine]

no swap, just early tt ult

[edgy elk]

hm

do they staggernode?

[outer ermine]

and late gil ult after tt cc expires

yea

[edgy elk]

oh i guess tt ult expires before rho reaches crashout hp

"do less damage" 🥀

[outer ermine]

[daring dove]

@outer ermine Do we know what the record is for full fight clear without food buffs or is that not really a thing?

Wanna see how close I can get.

[edgy elk]

oh @outer ermine i was roped into making an LR/rossi strategy
some guy in #team-build was dead set on running LR and Rossi in the same team 🥀

[outer ermine]

w/o food buffs arent really a thing w full out speedkills at the very least ginseng

rossi and yvonne is prob the closest to it

w gil too wtf 😭

[echo cove]

Lr rossi tt xaihi?

[daring dove]

Shame, I was hoping to see how I'm doing in comparsion although to be fair my Rossi can still get about 10% stronger next week. https://streamable.com/8y3f2t

That's what I'm down too now.

[edgy elk]

lr rossi xai gil

[echo cove]

Oh, not even running tt?

[edgy elk]

idfk man my sanity depleted from that shit

[echo cove]

[outer ermine]

gotta minmax to 2 ults, sub15 became the "standard" rhod times after midair fs

how does comp even work lmao

can u 4stack

or how fast

[daring dove]

I mean to be fair the standard is usually crit-fish resetting 100x I kind of wanted a grounded real world comparison but I suppose to some extent that goes against the nature of speed running.

Team I have built has like 93% consistent in clearing 1 rotation, I could definitely improve times a lot with Rossi crit fish & food buffs.

But I can get 4 stacks yeah

I have the extra SP for it

But it tends to result in slower clear times.

I reckon with food buffs an crit fish sub 15 would be quite easy as I could just skip the entire combo skill start to the fight.

But that would require me wasting time creating food

So maybe speed-running just isn't for me until we get events that ban food usage.

[outer ermine]

no food is more popular on low pots

[outer ermine]

https://vxb23.tv/BV1JdXiBKEum

[potent hornet]

finally hit authoirty 60

[edgy elk]

no way it's actually a thing alr

[drifting berry]

Carried by Rossi

[chilly bolt]

not even p5

[edgy elk]

"one cycle kill rhodagn"
look inside > one LR cycle and one rossi cycle glued together by a gilberta battleskill

[outer ermine]

50+50=100

[honest hill]

what a whel

[chilly bolt]

had to use rossi bs to start 1 vuln lol

gil never got her cs

[honest hill]

the whel had all P5 why wasn't it 11s

[outer ermine]

i can optimize that to 25s

[edgy elk]

how fast can rossi get her ult back

[daring dove]

I mean to be fair she likely works fairly well for nuke rotations if you want kind of a copium Tangtang standin I'd imagine.

[edgy elk]

lowkey just start with gil bs + rossi ult (gil cs trigger + combust) and cycle back ult with cs seq1 -> leak seq2 -> xai ult stall+lr stacking -> rossi full cs

oh i forgot hifu's allergic to ults

[honest hill]

do it

go

[outer ermine]

u can prob just do
2 vuln, 3 stack cs and burst
and run catastrophe xai

[edgy elk]

nah that's just p5power

[honest hill]

P5 so u don't ult

save time

[daring dove]

P5 so don't fight saves time, know you're going to win anyway.

[outer ermine]

just jakubs whats the other guys investment anyway

[chilly bolt]

yz is at it again

[icy remnant]

Abandon thinking

lol

[outer ermine]

theres a 35s w ember in the league rn lol

other phy comp was 34 last time i checked

[edgy elk]

here i thought yz woulda done fire dream team: lae rossi

[rich linden]

where is my 1.2 dev blog

i need banners hurrdurrr

[daring dove]

I reckon even a lot of giga chinese whales don't even have PHY properly invested yet.

I certainly don't it's quite far down the priority list.

[chilly bolt]

i also have p1 ember

i think it's a sign

[outer ermine]

they just need 1 good whel acc

cuz acc sharing

[potent hornet]

i have p2 ember and a p5 sundered and i hate it

because i know i need to build her but i don't want to

[wispy shuttle]

I have p2 ardelia. Guess I'll have to go build hyper ardelia team

[edgy elk]

whel for p5 oblivion while ur at it

[chilly bolt]

me when ember

[edgy elk]

bluedodge allergy solved

[potent hornet]

i'm waiting for the day they release a greatsword user with crit dmg in their build

[outer ermine]

lelouch guy has like p5 pog, p5 gv, p5 exemplar, p5 mountain and that was a while ago

[potent hornet]

P5 sundered is waiting

[lyric latch]

just dont

[daring dove]

My Obilvion is still P3 I'm fake whale.

[rich linden]

buh

[edgy elk]

ok buddy

[potent hornet]

makes mine look weaaaak

[daring dove]

I have a second P4 one

[lyric latch]

imagine Mi Fu being Crit.

[potent hornet]

to be honest it wouldn't suprize me

[outer ermine]

striker gib me thermite

i hate switching

[edgy elk]

thermite? who u playing
alesh?

[potent hornet]

sad arsenal noises

[outer ermine]

alesh and arc so they both always hold it when im switching around

[edgy elk]

just get p10 therm smh

[daring dove]

I wish I could give my extra copies away I legitmately would. They're making my box look messy but at the same time it seems a waste to trash them.

incase I ever do need them for multiple teams.

[edgy elk]

lowkey max pot weapon give me anxiety

weapon banner -> 6* -> glorified exp

craft back to arsenals 😭 plz

[lyric latch]

the mission from the pass asking "Do 4 arsenal issues or something" is taunting me and I dont have any weapon I want to pull

[wispy shuttle]

No. HG runs on whale tears

[potent hornet]

Khrav is a good bet

[outer ermine]

oh yea i remembered

helpged w shatter speedkill

[edgy elk]

who what how

[smoky quarry]

https://tenor.com/view/omniman-gif-26206182

[edgy elk]

shatter can speedkill???

🤯

[outer ermine]

i did full buffs rot
now i just need burst

[daring dove]

I used to consolidate all of my 5* weapons into P5 variants as well but at some point I gave up.

Too time consuming.

[outer ermine]

rossi can speedkill

[potent hornet]

i did one of each

i'm doing a second stanza

but thats the only one i will max out again

[edgy elk]

rossi speedkill but with alesh giftwrapping

aleshlover27

[potent hornet]

i'm currently on slow play for Endfield until 1.2, going through zzz atm to fill the time

[outer ermine]

i just need a 25s or sum

from 35, so only 10s cut

doable

[edgy elk]

whos the team

rossi tt alesh gil?

[outer ermine]

estella instead of gil just cuz

[daring dove]

Yeah I can imagine a legitmate use case for a second Stanza is we ever get multi team content.

Which lets be honest we will.

[edgy elk]

trollge

[potent hornet]

exactly my line of thought

[edgy elk]

do yall have a spreadsheet with ult cutscene times

[smoky quarry]

f2p's shoudn't bother with that, they already have severe weapon deficit

[edgy elk]

f2p? in #theorycrafting ?
-# but fr whel concentration here is legit higher than #help and #team-build

[echo cove]

I mean, if u r whale, u r chasing the peak, no?

[outer ermine]

havent type shit in any of those chats

[echo cove]

Why whale for suboptimal stuff

[smoky quarry]

most of the people don't see spending grands on gacha game as financially responsible decision, even if they have that kind of spare money

[echo cove]

[edgy elk]

yes that's true
i'm just a dolphin myself. same reason.

[potent hornet]

easy fix, close your eyes when you hit the pay button. Don't have to see it then

[lyric latch]

just pay with a random paypall HG gave you

[smoky quarry]

I can argue buying warhammer figurines, at least you can resell them 🤷🏻‍♂️

And other collectioner stuff

[potent hornet]

looks at my unbuilt minis

[tight haven]

id buy a pack of like

[smoky quarry]

even skins is c*go somehow

[potent hornet]

shakes head in agreement

[tight haven]

10k arsenal for $50 in a heartbeat

whaling in ef feels fucking awful

after you buy out packs

especially if youre whaling just for weapon pots

[smoky quarry]

it's the same as everywhere

dollar to dollar sometimes

the structure of MT is the similar

[tight haven]

yeah its not much different from other gachas in that sense

i think weapons are just so much worse-feeling because they dont even convert into more pulls

it's just a shitty proposition all around imo

[smoky quarry]

"at least you don't have to spend char pulls"

it's mathematically same thing, it doesn't matters

[tight haven]

anyway i wish they offered whales more arsenal tickets

id def go for them

[potent hornet]

i can see the benefits of splitting and keeping it one currency

[fossil pendant]

I would prefer to be allowed to spend char pulls

lol

[smoky quarry]

maybe offer more tickets to dolphins??

whales can always buy originium

[tight haven]

ideally this yes

[potent hornet]

F2Ps would be starving either way

[tight haven]

anything that benefits dolphins benefits whales

its a positional difference not a material one

[smoky quarry]

low spenders are eating

something

[fossil pendant]

ice soup

[potent hornet]

they still do

[daring dove]

Weapon banner is the worst thing to happen to humanity since covid to be honest. 25-75% odds shouldn't be a thing I don't bloody care if we have a 4% chance. When I'm getting stuff I don't want 75% of the time.

[tight haven]

yeah the average for a 6* feature is still ~81 pulls

[bronze plume]

saying its the worst thing to happen since covid is wild

[potent hornet]

the fact that we besically start off with 2 6 stars is pretty good from what i have seen

the gurantee from horizons is a serious boon

ardelia isn't a slouch either

[daring dove]

Yep but the system leaves in place the ability for it to be so much worse than that.

[potent hornet]

so you can basically have whatever base team you want

in some fasion

you get a really good start in endfield

[tight haven]

yep

potentially 16 pulls per copy is fucking deranged no matter how you slice it

[potent hornet]

ZZZ did not give that kind of start but for most of its story conent it forces you into specific teams anyway so you personal team doesn't even matter that much

[tight haven]

8 per copy is so much more tenable

[fossil pendant]

the worst case scenarios in endfield are genuinely dystopian

[daring dove]

Yeah easy way to fix the garbage would be to put the sig as a selectable in the weapon box.

[drifting quest]

good in theory bad in practice

is the common trend

[tight haven]

i gues the issue then is that if you are whaling for p5 ops then you basically guarantee p5 sigs if you also spend like $200 on the ticket packs every banner

which, i mean, that sounds fair idk man

[potent hornet]

yessssssss

[icy remnant]

I’m of the opinion that averages matter more than edge case scenarios
If you play the game long enough it always averages out

[tight haven]

sure but i cant agree with that when ive gone 20 pulls without actually pulling a sig two banners in a row

[fossil pendant]

tell that to the people that quit because they get fucked too hard before the game has a chance to average it out

[icy remnant]

It’s just 2 banners

[tight haven]

like, not tributes but the actual weapons past the first copy

[potent hornet]

looks at every d2 player 20+ years of playing that haven't seen a SOJ drop

[fossil pendant]

the amount of pulls a normal player does over the span of like a year is not enough to law of large numbers it

[tight haven]

anyways i have like no interest in arguing this because its always like Dont Feel Bad Bro In An Ideal Scenario You Wouldnt Have Gotten Fucked Bro

ohh ok let me invent dimensional travel rq

[bronze plume]

they clearly just havent done the raid if theyve played for that long

[tight haven]

so i can travel to the dimension where i didnt get screwed by the gacha

[icy remnant]

Sure but you’ll still be drawn to the mean even if you don’t end up within 5% of mean you won’t be 30-40% away from it either

Averages don’t have a line that says you average out after this point

[potent hornet]

what game do you think i am talking about?

destiny>?