theorycrafting

[drifting quest]

bleh

endmin or dapan discourse is dead i guess

its probably a case of if we run lifeng or endmin/dapan with mifu for monophys

rossi gets a billion new teams

new gear means no rest

more calcs

[teal pawn]

wow CC straight up disables dodge mod

[drifting quest]

optional risk to take

removes dodge

[teal pawn]

Actual Ember stonks

[drifting quest]

id expect lower tier variants increase cd for perfect dodge or something

[teal pawn]

[drifting quest]

ember upscale seems decently real for cc at high risk

[cold bane]

mifu definitely looks very fun

[teal pawn]

looking at it lower variant seems to be stam consumption

[sacred thicket]

what? no laeva?

[drifting quest]

1 risk is dodging costs more stamina
3 risk is no dodging at all

yeah

laev/rossi shill this patch pretty hard

[sacred thicket]

okay thats seems interesting

[drifting quest]

both look competent for cc, both got new teammates

fangyi downscale after releasing as broken as she felt

[sacred thicket]

yeah im forced to pull old woman to make my rossi stronger

at least its not camille

[teal pawn]

jesus christ

[teal pawn]

and man too probably

[outer ermine]

just oneshot

[sacred thicket]

im the man she needs

[drifting quest]

Rossi got 2 new options

Maybe running both at once

[sacred thicket]

man the new td mode

[drifting quest]

The new permanent mode looks good

Replayable endgame

Good patch all in all

Lots of content, 2 new good units

I dont like the idol trope being forced in but every 3darpg has to do it

[sacred thicket]

yes CC

[teal pawn]

https://media.discordapp.net/stickers/1323711015149371464.gif?size=160&name=ui+thumbs+up&lossless=true

Idk if I'll get Mifu tbh

[sacred thicket]

i'll get mifu for new rossi comp

[teal pawn]

Cause looking at it still SP hngry

[sacred thicket]

no dodging

ok this is far better lmao

at least it doesnt tied to few certain comps

[drifting quest]

Yeah they cooked a lot better than I thought they would

Looks good, is going to make people mald

[sacred thicket]

lmao dat modifier hahaha

dude literally f himself over

yeah i need dodge anw, idc if the other modifier is cancer

[outer ermine]

that no swap is cancer

[teal pawn]

Saving for Rossi P6P6 for my Rossi comp

[sacred thicket]

i already p5p5 rossi lmao

as for mifu well, i wont max her but we'll see

[outer ermine]

whel

[teal pawn]

very whel

[drifting quest]

I dont know if max risk is solveable

[sacred thicket]

bruh u more whel than me

[drifting quest]

The modifiers seem more than pots cover

[sacred thicket]

i only maxpot OPs that i fw only

[drifting quest]

It probably will be

I underestimate whales

[sacred thicket]

nah i wont max mifu

she's not my fav, i pull her for rossi

damn okay, CC might be more fun than stupid umbral

ohh nice, flex record

ayo okay, less grind for essence

also thank god proxy on 1.4

i can save for her 😭

brah, greatsword?

but she's using fist

[teal pawn]

ult nerf modifier means phys Rossi stonks now that I think about it

[drifting quest]

its rossi/laev and somewhat fangyi but less so shill

[sacred thicket]

ohh they refund if ure doing multi artificing

[drifting quest]

laev and fangyi get a free risk since their ults dont deal damage

[teal pawn]

will have to see that

[outer ermine]

bs tag free for crush

[sacred thicket]

damn free blockage fix

[outer ermine]

that infliction tag is funni too

yv is eating good

[drifting quest]

it's just like more shill for self sufficients

oh no less inflictions too bad laev bskill bypasses it to make melting flame

[outer ermine]

can we uh fucking bypass no swap w ults

is laev just

[drifting quest]

you should be able to yes

but im not sure what the merit is in it since you'd have to not start on laev/yvonne in one of their teams

maybe if there's some camille tech or something but it just doesnt seem practical

[edgy elk]

tried my best

might've missed some

[dry kindle]

those are

some tags of all time

💀

[drifting quest]

the vuln/elem lockout is per type

[edgy elk]

ah ic

is it per operator too?

[drifting quest]

you can apply elec, get locked out elec, then still apply heat, vuln, cryo, whatever

per enemy

when you apply an infliction to an enemy they get a (de)buff that stops the same type of infliction from being applied for 5s

[edgy elk]

mhm

i'm rewatching

[distant python]

Aka anti physical teams

[drifting quest]

its not super anti phys

i think once you stack up other risks as well monophys does feel worse than alternatives

[cold bane]

alright so camille is laevatain support -> some sort of super akekuri, and mifu is a physical dps that can get a shield for more unga bunga physical action?

[drifting quest]

but mifu is a pretty fat monophys upscale by the looks of it

[bold rose]

So Mifu replaces Endmin in Rossi teams right?

[drifting quest]

mifu chen pog (ember/lifeng)

[distant python]

I'm probably swapping endmin for mifu

[drifting quest]

since ember might be better in cc with some of the risks

[distant python]

Hp ember real?

[dry kindle]

[drifting quest]

id expect like

laev rossi or laev hyper

to be the team to do max risk

[distant python]

Tbf -battle skill damage is like whatever for physical

[edgy elk]

shuo, u think non p5p5 can hit max risk?

[distant python]

You are mostly using crush I think for damage

[drifting quest]

depends on timer

[edgy elk]

this set of risks looks sorta chaotic

[dry kindle]

depends on ai

🗿

[distant python]

Was there a timer?

[drifting quest]

10m is a LOT

[edgy crater]

still 10 min

[distant python]

In the demo

[dry kindle]

10 mins of ai not dying from no dodge

yeah

[edgy crater]

unless we get tag dat reduced timer

[dry kindle]

glhf

[edgy elk]

10 mins

[drifting quest]

if the risks dont decrease timer, or otherwise you dont have any reason to not spend 10m

i think f2p can max risk with 10m

[edgy elk]

possibly timer reduction
but just speculation cus they didn't click on it

[cold bane]

so ember / snowshine / catcher stonks will rise with the nododge risk?

[dry kindle]

ember meta because ai stupid

🗣️

[distant python]

Hehe

[edgy crater]

fluorite cs literally every eon

[distant python]

But it's sustain ember, man

[edgy elk]

they do have reduce cscd

this and fluo/lr :icant:

[drifting quest]

they showed off wulf perlica avy ardelia do risk 23 in a bit under 8 minutes

[edgy crater]

basically reactions team

[manic mountain]

When does Mi Fu come out?

[edgy elk]

and we laughed at people for building "reactions teams" back in 1.0
turns out they saw the future

[distant python]

I'm not entirely sure how good my mifu savings are

I'm only at 37k oroberyl

[dry kindle]

watdafak

[sacred thicket]

swipe if u dont have enough berries

[distant python]

But I have permit from last banner so

[edgy crater]

shattered

[edgy elk]

reaction double damage

[sacred thicket]

but prolly enough for 120pulls

[distant python]

How good will cc rewards be?

[sacred thicket]

not much i reckon

[drifting quest]

gel, artificing catalysts, etc.

[sacred thicket]

cus its endgame stuff

[drifting quest]

i dont recall them mentioning pulls

[distant python]

Also in an emergency I can guess I can always use the red bond quota stuff

[sacred thicket]

but yeah u get gels, artificing catalyst which is huge

they do give oroberrys

[distant python]

Or the origeometry

I have 13k oroberyls worth of origeometry

Now the question is how badly will she need sig

Or will the BP weapon be close enough

[frigid vector]

wtf

mi fu ended up not working with either fangyi or tangtang

camille is just lae upscaler

[dry kindle]

one of the tags is -10/20/40 CO stats

🗿

[edgy elk]

CO xaihi in LR team

chiv gets her 11k health anyway

and it's only -40% mainstat
so int is fine

[drifting quest]

the CO lock cc tag is

so funny

[dry kindle]

and co stat nerfs

[edgy elk]

stat nerfs to everyone

CO takes more damage

[frigid vector]

some of those tags

felt like a way to force defenders to be useful

😔

[edgy crater]

it is

[dry kindle]

just dont get hit

[edgy elk]

"cannot dodge"

[frigid vector]

if you can't dodge that means you can't dodge to start sprinting either

walking simulator

[edgy crater]

lr yinglung cs upscale

[edgy elk]

i'm dead set on clearing this with cryo

xaihi / lr / fluorite / (dunno yet)

co xaihi

[drifting quest]

yeah I said this before that the only way to make defenders good is to artificially force it and here we are

i think you can probably still get away with no sustain but i dont know if its worth the hassle

failing on wave 4 is just not going to be fun

[edgy elk]

no heals between waves?

[frigid vector]

CC does seem like just

glorified umbral though

[dry kindle]

risk removes them

[frigid vector]

0 ult start, enemy gimmicks

[drifting quest]

there's stage heals but one or more risks removes them

[frigid vector]

just a lot tankier/more things to clear

[edgy elk]

ik, i just mean sustainless will be sorta hard if ur going max / high risk

[drifting quest]

the other permanent gamemode seems like better replayable endgame to be honest

[dry kindle]

fuck you i just wont do bskill damage then

[long kite]

Much more modifier options and potentially more stacking together.

[frigid vector]

the wuling one?

[drifting quest]

yeah

[edgy elk]

it's a daily loop isnt it

[drifting quest]

random cards of enemies to fight, so always unique

[edgy crater]

dat mahjong game mode?

[frigid vector]

if AIC towers weren't a thing it'd probably be super legit

unless they cap it

[dry kindle]

go my skyhammers

[drifting quest]

the towers are optional no

[frigid vector]

fully predicting 30 mortars being deployed to clear

[elder kelp]

this is edited no?

[dry kindle]

and acid towers

[long kite]

Can farm daily for Stock Bills, seems to mostly help with clearing shop faster + artifice funds.

[edgy elk]

3 claims per day

[dry kindle]

[elder kelp]

wdym

[dry kindle]

why tf would it be edited

[long kite]

Contingencey Contract back in Arknights also had modifiers like that

[edgy elk]

it's straight from the devlog

[dry kindle]

double edge risks in main map feels goofy

[elder kelp]

wdf do they mean all dmg sources other than the operator +100% and -60% bs

[edgy crater]

reactions

[elder kelp]

you can set up towers is what thats for?

oh

[edgy crater]

gogo wulf combust deal 1m

[elder kelp]

so burning

lucky, i have wulf m9 and cannibal 90 p3

[dry kindle]

clanibal

[elder kelp]

ok

[dry kindle]

youre not triggering it

ever

again 🔥

useless ahh weapon

[elder kelp]

i know it by the name 共食い tho

cause i play in chinese or jp

[neon cave]

do we know how long CC is lasting?

[drifting quest]

no

at least idt they said so

[merry kite]

who will pull who?

[drifting quest]

both if I can manage it

testing never stops

i need to see how much id have to swipe

[merry kite]

daym

[edgy elk]

shuo do u think qb -15% and -60% cs cdr risk will stack additive or multiple

[merry kite]

based

[drifting quest]

should be additive

[frigid vector]

forced to pull both for guides

[drifting quest]

would match previous cases

[merry kite]

idk if i want to pull any of them

[frigid vector]

definitely whaling mi fu though

[edgy elk]

so theoretically game in the future might reach -100% cs cd

[drifting quest]

if the patch didnt look as good as it does i wouldnt have considered swiping myself

[frigid vector]

just us having 2 new "endgame" combat modes

is enough to reignite my passion

speedrunning umbral tidalkast can only do so much

and I swear to god I'm never farming meat in this game again

[drifting quest]

speedrunners in shambles now they have to do something other than kill rhodagn for the 1400th time

[frigid vector]

wake up honey is 3am have you collected your ginsengs yet

[drifting quest]

hypergryph releasing a stew meeting powercreep and then immediately dropping 2 new endgames to not use it in

masterful work

[edgy elk]

how long til speedrun cc 🪦

[merry kite]

btw, we are using fart for new productions

[drifting quest]

yes but not this patch

its 1.4+

[merry kite]

holding on that fart i see

also, this weapon is being held off for dear life for 4 patches

[frigid vector]

oh I didn't pay attention to patch dates

are these 2 week banners

[merry kite]

put on loading screen and never addressed

[frigid vector]

or do we finally have reasonable timeframes

[drifting quest]

21 days

5th June patch, Mifu banner ends 26th June

[frigid vector]

per banner? god bless

[drifting quest]

we dont know when camille's ends but assuming its 21d too

since its just 'until next patch starts'

[edgy elk]

what's 虚弱 again? suscep?
is this suscep + heat dmg taken?

[merry kite]

for who?

[edgy elk]

camille's battleskill

[merry kite]

in subs it was said sus

[drifting quest]

weakness

he applies suscept and weakness

[merry kite]

it's sus and weak, yeah

[edgy elk]

oh heat suscep + weakness

[drifting quest]

or weaken

only like catcher currently does weaken

[edgy elk]

yeah

i'm tryna figure out if he can be a universal support like kuri

[drifting quest]

prob not

[edgy elk]

two links is appealing but might be an awkward fit

[drifting quest]

applies inflictions, requires interacting with inflictions

[edgy elk]

too invasive and need cs trigger

[merry kite]

he's too heat based, so

[drifting quest]

hard to imagine a case you dont just run akekuri

[edgy elk]

maybe tt mdps cus we're not doing much w inflictions anyway

just corro refreshes after the first time

[drifting quest]

maybe you have like a corro rot where you consume the inflictions with him and it works

yeah

[merry kite]

the most obvious are lae and rossi team

or camille mdps, lmao

[edgy elk]

i have half a mind to pull him just to test it

but 6:30am decision making shouldnt be trusted so im off to bed

[woeful timber]

I'm gonna pull him so I can test him with TT before you pull the trigger

I 100% need him for Lae anyways so its no loss for me

[frigid vector]

unless camille has some hidden buff value

[merry kite]

real

[frigid vector]

he legit comes across as aoe bot for lae

[merry kite]

i can unbench her, finally

[next helm]

great

[neon cave]

max risk looks like 40(?)

[next helm]

hope he doesn't do negative damage tho

[frigid vector]

SP regen could be helpful but wulf still seems like a mandatory slot for the free infliction and antal/ardelia buffs too good (or gil I guess)

[woeful timber]

I assume the thing that'll really set him apart from Ake will be his damage honestly

but thats just an assumption

[edgy elk]

and the fact that he can regain ult
from cs triggers

[next helm]

doesn't he give heat susc?

[frigid vector]

oh did he, that'll be decent then

[edgy elk]

heat suscep, link on cs, link on ult

[merry kite]

he does

[woeful timber]

Pog doesnt give more sp than 4 star vanguards, he just does more damage. I assume it'll be the same.

[edgy elk]

1+1 link or 2 stack link

[frigid vector]

I guess wulf/antal/camille

[next helm]

beta akekuri died so he can live

[drifting quest]

heat susc + 2 links + sp regen + inflictions for 100sp is like pretty damn good

conditional to ult cost and how fast he gets it

[frigid vector]

ye I stand corrected seems solid

[next helm]

the fact that that is needed

to make the sp cost worth it

SP rework when

[merry kite]

now, was my fankit that broken compared to this?

[drifting quest]

yes

[edgy elk]

give me tl;dr

[merry kite]

daym

[merry kite]

hmm

[willow blade]

After seeing the cc debuffs I think ima take a break from Endfield

[edgy elk]

whuh but it's finally getting fun

u wanna kill rhodagn again?

[willow blade]

No dodging

Need I say more

[edgy elk]

no need to pick it

[peak void]

you can just... not pick it?

you dont have to pick everything to get the rewards

[woeful timber]

Lol I can't imagine quitting a game because you don't like an optional difficulty on a singular game mode that's supposed to be extra challenging

Like no dodging is clearly for ember mains

Good for them

[drifting quest]

it's also like not even that bad of a risk to take for more casual runs

realistically

it's only bad when you combine it with other extra risks on top

[woeful timber]

Just like OGAK frfr

[drifting quest]

damage floor, no switching, stage healing gimmick removed, etc.

[next helm]

What is the risk for trimmed medal tho

18 for nostalgia sake?

[drifting quest]

23-25 probably

[merry kite]

bskill - nature dmg; summons a shadow, it deals coordinated attack with controlled operator and recovers sp, up to 3 can exist; bskill can consume corrosion, if consumed, atk spd increased for controlled op
cskill - triggers on 3 infl stacks are consumed; nature dmg, applies corrosion, summons a shadow
ult - nature dmg, if there is art inf, applies another one, summons shadow
talent 1 - for every shadow, everyone's ba and bskill dmg are buffed
talent 2 - if controlled op is killed, consumes all shadow to revive

[drifting quest]

based on what they showcased being those two

[merry kite]

not very tldr, but oh well

[drifting quest]

max risk 30-40 or so

i could see it being like 15/30 or 20/40 though

[next helm]

I don't like how every character support/subdps now needs 17 effects to have their costs be worth it

[edgy elk]

costs?

camille costs 100 sp

isnt that pretty normal

even antal costs 100sp to cast focus

[woeful timber]

Antal gets 3 inflictions(cs procs) for 100sp though, more if you use echoing.

[merry kite]

it was a lot broken before, lmao

[drifting quest]

aspd buffing plus sp on coord attack on decently high numbers

was a bit too good

[next helm]

best characters rn are either, you don't use skill or you have several things to make the skill worth it

[ocean turret]

Dang my rossi getting her bis teammates these early is immaculate

[next helm]

If there was varied sp costs it could mean characters can have a better niche

[ocean turret]

If Camille's cs work on rossi's cs, its gonna be insane

[drifting quest]

combo skills dont proc link

[real mist]

they ain't even gonna hide it anymore, gilberta go.

[dry kindle]

fym 2 links

💀

[drifting quest]

combo skill is a link

ebs is a link

[merry kite]

[dry kindle]

ew

[drifting quest]

ebs is treated as a combo skill so it doesnt consume the link

[merry kite]

we are so linking

[dry kindle]

nvm

[drifting quest]

ebs comes from ult

[dry kindle]

💀

did they say whos first

[drifting quest]

mifu

[merry kite]

what

[dry kindle]

bleh

at 21 pity

with dossi

we saving for 1.4 with this one

[real mist]

dam girl almost purple would've liked it more if she was mostly purple

[frigid vector]

hm did anyone have a TL of the weapon essences we'd be needing for either

[drifting quest]

uh

str atk combative

for mifu

agi heat flow for camille

iirc

i dont have bp ones on hand

[sturdy hill]

probably a skip

[dry kindle]

mfw camille bp has the uge

[quasi quarry]

obv we don't have the effects but camille sig having dmg boost while the bp has ult gain efficiency is crazy lol

maybe the passive on the sig is cracked

[sturdy hill]

not delicious

[dry kindle]

inb4 its another rossi sig moment

[drifting quest]

it's probably a better chimeric for lifeng depending on the uge amount and skill line

but that'd be it

[merry kite]

for lifeng?

[drifting quest]

with mifu uge lifeng might end up being better lmao

[merry kite]

uge + suss/dmg taking

[drifting quest]

something something hypergryph working hard to invalidate any and all advice

[dry kindle]

as in

rossi sig having more atk than atk L

[merry kite]

oh

[merry kite]

wdym

[drifting quest]

there's been a decent trend of advice being given and being correct and then being invalidated a patch later by new stuff

[outer ermine]

there is a very funni angle w shatter rn

[dry kindle]

shut up

[merry kite]

and what advice is invalidated now?

[outer ermine]

everyone but cat wolf benched surely

[dry kindle]

🗿

[drifting quest]

mb/valiant lifeng on something like sm

might fall out of favour

[outer ermine]

cam needs to fucking replace alesh or mifu aint making it in the comp

[merry kite]

https://tenor.com/view/tomato-confuse-whyiamhere-wtf-why-gif-6214294

how and why

[edgy elk]

can't u just, idk, cam bs + stella bs

that's solidify and procs cam's cs

[outer ermine]

how r u gonna trigger alesh cs consistently moment

[next helm]

[merry kite]

https://tenor.com/view/tomato-confuse-whyiamhere-wtf-why-gif-6214294

[outer ermine]

too much sp alesh can do that w 1

[dry kindle]

alesh isnt real

simple

[edgy elk]

catas cam + catas cat

1

[next helm]

Alesh is a pedestal that holds a weapon

[dry kindle]

oh right

whos ready to laugh if camille sig is worse than theoretical thermite

[outer ermine]

maybe

[edgy elk]

i mean if ur counting alesh ult then
cam ult stella bs

cus ult is also a heat stack

cam ult -> stella bs -> cam ebs -> cam+stella cs

but then you'll have to time the links so rossi can actually use it ig

[merry kite]

what is this team

[edgy elk]

im assuming hifu's sticking w rossi shatter

[merry kite]

ooh

[outer ermine]

ill try mapping how it looks later im fucked this morning for a few hrs

[merry kite]

so, what team for lae with camille?

ig, lae, cam, wulf and ard