#theorycrafting

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potent hornet
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nope

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i spend everything

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i have spent money, but that was mostly a bit from my last bonus from my last job, new job is gonna be a couple of months until i am close to my old pay

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so my spending is going to be very limited from here on

drifting berry
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understandable

dry kindle
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Its prydwen sooooo

soft tendon
drifting quest
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prydwens littered with a bunch of small errors

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they only push out site updates in batches, it seems

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but some errors have been there for weeks to months so i wouldnt be hopeful at corrections

scenic radish
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Don't suppose we have a generally agreed upon list of weapons worth investing in?

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Figure I should get essences for all of the good ones while I farm

drifting berry
drifting quest
smoky quarry
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shit burned all my neurons

scenic radish
smoky quarry
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"is he gonna keep spinning like that"

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mf cancels 90% of territory around him just by existing

wispy shuttle
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I ended that stage with only ardelia left hanging on by a thread lmao

drifting quest
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Such a good umbral

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Shame its the only one this patch

edgy crater
open narwhal
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such a bad umral, i just tank it

edgy crater
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hope its fun event too

drifting quest
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Cryptic 2 should be good

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Since the first was

scenic radish
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Bird umbral was neat, with the chains

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I feel I cheated the minotaur boss by having him shoot the wall behind me

rapid heron
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@summer flicker the website still not update rossie skill timer right?

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end axis

tight haven
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big fan of the third fight

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love how aggro the boss gets

edgy crater
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u can cheese his atk pattern tho

open narwhal
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big fan of the idea a bull is in heat

thorn shore
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Did we ever get anymore info on Rossi

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Ever since the reveal of her abilties n stuff

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Do we know where she’s going

tight haven
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nope

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until she releases we wont either

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what determines her place is all numbers and they dont give those out before release

proud vector
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PerliWaaaaa the final day has begun

ocean turret
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thats good cause no leaks

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no one can farm mats

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no one will farm her essense in advance

gaunt mason
edgy crater
ocean turret
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crit rate

gaunt mason
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i got a couple runs where it does

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idk maybe it’s a very specific distance

edgy crater
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maybe lol

gaunt mason
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the stage is was so much more fun when i was playing normally PerliWheeze

edgy crater
gaunt mason
edgy crater
gaunt mason
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sometimes he does a different attack

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even when i’m at the same distance

edgy crater
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also if u attack from dat side, does the bull jump back after recovering from stagger?

gaunt mason
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idk i reset if he doesn’t die after stagger 😭

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don’t think so though

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cause the attack is canceled

ocean turret
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mustve been dps diffPerliDerp i dont have lifeng. but even if i do, i cant replicate that. taking advantage of the enrage state(removed his own def buff) duration to use the combo rotation is insane

gaunt mason
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you can do it faster with shatter or something

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so you don’t have to wait for him to combust

edgy crater
ocean turret
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nah i think the combust is the perfect timing to do all the combos cause he removed all his def buffs

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but he must be stagged to do that

gaunt mason
edgy crater
gaunt mason
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yeah he just starts gaining fire stacks again

peak void
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I see, thank you
so do i even have to calc now ICANT

edgy crater
gaunt mason
ocean turret
gaunt mason
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too much res

edgy crater
edgy crater
gaunt mason
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even yz’s p5 lr barely did it before enrage

terse raptor
edgy crater
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oh u still up lol

terse raptor
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im done crit fishing man

ocean turret
terse raptor
edgy crater
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trust 5%

gaunt mason
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have to crit fish everything to get it before enrage and even then it’s not guaranteed PerliDerp

edgy crater
ocean turret
terse raptor
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before enrage? i don't think enough damage

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need to time perfectly when the bull does combustion attack

ocean turret
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before enrage (4stacks of def) PerliDerp bro ur dmg tickles him if u do that

gaunt mason
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i got pretty close with 3 crits

terse raptor
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i aint gonna do crit fishing 3 times in a single run PerliWaaaaa

gaunt mason
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not enough big hits to kill it even if another thing crits

terse raptor
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im tired, boss RossiCopium

fossil pendant
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I didnt actually try it with full phys yet

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lets see

ocean turret
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ill try monophys ember if i can do the sameRossiCopium

gaunt mason
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and get it even faster

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nothing needs to crit

fossil pendant
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ok nvm

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this run is not possible for me

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because my chen still aint p3 lmfao wheres my ult

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or p4 rather

gaunt mason
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aren’t you a whale?

fossil pendant
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well yeah but I haven't whaled for anyone yet 105_ICANT first will probably be fangyi

terse raptor
fossil pendant
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I mostly just collect p0 for now

main nova
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rossie is so cute 10/10 pull

fossil pendant
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luck isnt helping tho

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I have like p20 wulfgard

main nova
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valley iv mascot vs wuling mascot

ocean turret
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p2w dmgRossiCopium

main nova
gaunt mason
fossil pendant
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maybe with an ult gain kit idk

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not with the yinglung chest tho

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cause what, it's 5s2c = 52.5 energy which hits the 59.5 ult cost with ult charge chest but no shot anywhere close to 70

gaunt mason
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you can do an extra combo, it’s going to be up again by the time the bull combusts

thorn shore
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a long long time ago

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probably got leaked a month ago or sumn by now

ocean turret
thorn shore
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i dont rememebr it was a month ago

bronze plume
fossil pendant
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ok this is probably doable

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but not having the p5 combo cd sucks

fossil pendant
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and I'm also not sitting through 3 hours of waiting for him to not jump out of a breach or something

bronze plume
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intellect

fossil pendant
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my hi3 days are behind me bejj

gaunt mason
fossil pendant
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yeah close enough

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I crit he dies

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back to watching youtube

gaunt mason
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you have to get it before he gains the first stack again

bronze plume
gaunt mason
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for no crit

bronze plume
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i dont remember

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i just got both 👍

fossil pendant
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my hands are old and geriatric

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thats why I play mmos now

bronze plume
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tbf if youre hands are old

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mmos are the opposite of what you should play with the amount of buttons

gaunt mason
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unc

bronze plume
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me when a mmo mouse has more buttons on it then a keyboard

fossil pendant
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final fantasy 14 is sub 50 apm for almost every class in the game

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thats pretty geriatric

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wow would be a diff story

thorn shore
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how does the new 3 limited 6 stars yvonne team compared to laev team now

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yvonne having back to back to back limited 6 stars is insane

bronze plume
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guys fun fact

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if you only claim the first 3 daily rewards

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you get

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670 authority level exp

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youre welcome

fierce nest
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6 7

ornate pendant
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Can I ask about Rossi here

bronze plume
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you can

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however

ornate pendant
bronze plume
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you will most likely be hit with we dont know yet awnsers

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now if you mean leaks you will get banned

ornate pendant
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Mmm makes sense

ocean turret
bronze plume
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its int or agi one of the 2

dense hatch
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hello, question for you guys.

Does Eternal Xiranite set apply to self protection? Aka can Ember proc it with her Talent?

heady jungle
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so is wulf a must for rossi?

main nova
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dang im old

bronze plume
bronze plume
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there have been teams suggested that both include and exclude wulf

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if i had to guess she will have a good amount of different playable teams some focusing on heat some on phys some on both

dense hatch
fossil pendant
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ye

main nova
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Rossi replace Wulf trust

bronze plume
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alll to just be worse then the current heat and phys team we have rn

main nova
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dont say that i want a cute heat team

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wulf is a pain to look in that team

bronze plume
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your best bet if you want here to be pure heat would probably be something like

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rossi, wulf, ake, flex

main nova
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not cute enough

bronze plume
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unfortunately wulf is like the only one who can reliably spam out combustion for her to do more dmg

main nova
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god damn it these man

bronze plume
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tho if said dmg bonus from the enemy having combustion on them is actually worth it we obv dont know yet

main nova
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maaan i just want rossi is retain wulf combustion and being good at physical at same time

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at least become a better wulf in regards

bronze plume
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i mean she will probably do both

main nova
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yeah that what i hope

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let see the final design

bronze plume
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the team ive seen going around most is

rossi, gilberta, phys consumer, flex

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mainly dapan for consume

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or hellapog if the atk bonus he gives is good enuf because good chance rossi doesnt take breach well

quartz horizon
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tt rossi gilb xaihi ✌️

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i would if i had gilberta PerliWaaaaa

bronze plume
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just pull right now on tt banner

fossil pendant
thorn shore
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ive gotten so insanely lucky with this game its amazing

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best gacha game (ever until i get a losing streak)

main nova
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i dont really care about the gacha but the economy still problematic PerliWheeze oh well their game is overall good

fossil pendant
main nova
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you can throw the gacha economy to trash and all they did actually good thing

fossil pendant
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the only thing that's completely eaten my ass was lr sig

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everything else I've had unusually good luck

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by my standards

sturdy hill
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apparently i slammed into a wall

main nova
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tho i must say the resources to upgrade is insanely high, but i guess that just how arknight is afterall

sturdy hill
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ember really only have slightly over 26k as the maximum hp she can have

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if counting pot2

remote fern
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This ember build ult shield could face tank the trilagos insta kill pulse?

sturdy hill
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haven't tested

ocean turret
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does hp better than final dmg reduction?

peak void
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idk what to do next

near robin
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BA if you really like to play Yvonne I guess

chilly bolt
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hmm we should get lupine scarlet info in around 5-6 hours

willow blade
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in my lr tang^2 xaihi perlica team, who should i normal atk chain with? I get lr does a lot of dmg, but tangtang as well and she is ranged making atking easier

chilly bolt
willow blade
vapid flame
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you can get like most of the value from swapping to lr before her cs and ult

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since it sounds like you prefer to control tt

chilly bolt
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i think at equal investment lr is slightly better due to her basics scaling

icy remnant
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Swap spam gaming to get Xaihi buff on both TT and Last rite sounds cancer

gritty briar
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swapping after final strike isn't that bad...

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it even cancels the endlag of the attack

icy remnant
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Nah man I play on mobile

gritty briar
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okay that's probably cancer

outer ermine
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ICANT u have a whole hand doing nothing but holding ba

willow blade
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should I m3 tang's combo for that -1s cd

peak void
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ehh

vapid flame
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if you feel like you're spending too much time/effort delaying your xaihi cs then it'll help with that...but it's kind of a marginal benefit

leaden tartan
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It depends on your team too. Might not be relevant for your specific rotation.

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Probably a bigger deal if you have p1.

peak void
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i think most tt rotations are bottlenecked by SP rather than combo timings

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what replacing vg with sp-return does to a mf

terse valley
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rossi weapon info in 4h

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assuming they did the same tweet as tt weapon

oak vigil
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As far as how weapons go, I presume Rossi’s weapon will be fully to just buff herself after ecs/consuming arts infliction

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(and something else as the second 3rd stat, not sure what it will be)

terse valley
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atk%

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after ECS; increase ult heat dmg

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or rather

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after regular combo skill idk?

oak vigil
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Yeah the “ecs” isn’t the term for any stat buffs iirc (same goes for ebs like for arclight), so it will be more of arts infliction consumption by this logic

terse valley
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whatever it is it's gonna have heat dmg somewhere otherwise chen's gonna have two bis in one patch ICANT

icy remnant
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Chen getting a new BiS every few weeks

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Is this Xiangling

fresh trench
terse valley
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the so-called minmaxing

chilly bolt
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it is minmaxing

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just ult everything to death

terse valley
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thats what i said

nova lance
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Shud I get tang²?

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I do have Yvonne but no gilb

open narwhal
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i dare say she is the core of cryo

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yeah get her

nova lance
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I already have laev team btw

open narwhal
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not very likely but yv tt - lr tt should be good til 2.

inland quarry
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Well, so far all content has been hilariously easy

open narwhal
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i meant if a new limited isnt surpassing old unit thats actually sad

inland quarry
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Tt is quite good for all cryo teams including as main dps

open narwhal
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yeah she have decent dmg herself too

nova lance
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I do want lightning lady and maybe Rossi if she's gud

open narwhal
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good aoe, freeze, cryo suscep, quick inflict

inland quarry
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It does seem probable that zhuang will want mi fu, so keep that in mind

open narwhal
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or even the bird one

nova lance
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Hmmm

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What is Rossi expected to be?

inland quarry
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Phys/fire

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We have seen her animations/mechanics, not her numbers

open narwhal
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consume inflict to generate phys stack

fresh trench
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Amber finally have usage?

nova lance
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So she's part of the phys team?

open narwhal
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she likely need ult regen and inflict

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also 1 phys consuming unit

open narwhal
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she still need infliction

fresh trench
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Pog is red therefore he in rossi team

nova lance
open narwhal
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yes koko wise choice

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and i fear that might actually work

nova lance
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Hmmm

fresh trench
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pw.css im tired i think i can solo triangalos with ardelia but the timing is hrad to do

open narwhal
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trimming arde solo?

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yeah his moveset is annoying

fresh trench
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Yeah its easier than it sound

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The first phase i did it faster than last rite cause she can interrupt the red circle thingy easily

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So his stagger go up fast

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The second phase is easier than it sound but i have to get the timing that he hitable right to stagger him the horde phase already reduce his hp by like 40-50% so ifi stagger once we balls

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I have no idea if she can hit it in third phase but she is ranged i just hope mr.dolly fluff tracking his cloaking ass

open narwhal
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if yv can she can

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likely rando normal attack can get his ass

fresh trench
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I will try it next week then,the meat supplies is going low and i watiing for weekly reset for jacob legacy

nova lance
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If I get tangtang would I still be able to get mufi and zhuang? I currently have 134 pulls

inland quarry
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We don't know when their banners are, but probably not 100%

fresh trench
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And let it lead your way

nova lance
inland quarry
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Avg is 82 pulls per limited iirc but going for one without 120 is risky

nova lance
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Limited???

fresh trench
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Chance are fangyi might not be in banner soon

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Idk

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But i cant think ofother operator anywa

glass birch
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Its highly likely 1.2 will be Mi Fu/Fang Yi tbh. Considering we have 0 info on the last 2 characters teased

nova lance
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So if I skip 1.1 do I have a better chance?

glass birch
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actually- I wonder 3sChiakiHmm

fresh trench
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I waiting for X(W reconveners) i just imagined she would name X instead

nova lance
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She did have oripathy

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So do I pull tangtang or nah

fresh trench
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Do u want tangtang

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Or the meta require her

nova lance
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The correct word for me is need

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Do I need her?

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Idk

fresh trench
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My mentality is alwyas waifu first

nova lance
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I am waiting for waifu

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Wisadel still not in the game

fresh trench
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Yeah

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Skip then

nova lance
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Hopefully I don't regret this

fresh trench
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Do you have team for tangtang tho?

nova lance
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For lr

fresh trench
nova lance
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Tho no gilb

nova lance
open narwhal
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wym phase out?

fresh trench
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Does lae and gib is out of banner?

open narwhal
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no? gil still there

fresh trench
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So you can still randomly get them right

nova lance
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Uhh

glass birch
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Lae's gone. Gil leaves after Rossi's banner comes, then Yvonne leaves at the start of 1.2

nova lance
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Wasn't this a complain about gacha

open narwhal
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no

nova lance
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Tangtang would be in 1.2 first banner

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Right

open narwhal
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yes, there is a chance

glass birch
nova lance
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Hopefully it's fangyi first

glass birch
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Featured Ops stay for their banner + the next 2 banners

potent hornet
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sadly i burned my pity and got spooked by yvonne

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probably won't get rossi

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unless the gods bless me on the dossier

open narwhal
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im doing a total of 40 pulls next banner

potent hornet
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i'm gonna get whatever they give me lol

open narwhal
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yeah same, i dont intended to get rossi anyway

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but imma take 2k arsenal

nova lance
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Shud I pull for the BP levels?

ocean turret
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I aint sleepin tonight. Ill pull once the banner starts PerliFumo

open narwhal
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when is it again?

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like the time and utc?

glass birch
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I think?

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more like 32 hours for NA

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cant maths right now Foxy_Huh_Confused

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34 for na/eu. 13 hours after asia

open narwhal
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11am +8 huh

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so its 10am here

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i can fucking sleep now

glass birch
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sleep while you can

ocean turret
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Mine is within 21 hrsPerliWaaaaa

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I thought it will open tonight RossiCopium

daring dove
warm galleon
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Saving for Rossi's potential team changes. expires a day after her banner goes live PerliWheeze

terse valley
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TWO HOURS

daring dove
noble tapir
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I'm putting all mine into glorious memory essence farm. Cursed very low rolls...

gritty olive
burnt hull
gritty olive
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datamines need to be spoiler tagged so making sure

burnt hull
cinder oxide
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45s Pan clear. Swapped ult gain gloves on Pog and Pan for more dmg but otherwise the gears are mostly 1.0 gear. Chen has p4 GM though

gaunt mason
rich linden
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@gritty olive what is even ur name

cinder oxide
gaunt mason
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what’s not legit about doing enough damage to skip phase LifengThink

cinder oxide
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Also I’m running fortmaker cos no thermite

gaunt mason
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you can use the first hit of chen’s ult for extra stagger

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he takes a while to get back up so the crush should land before cutscene

cinder oxide
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The way HG intended PerliWheeze

gaunt mason
rich linden
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Guys any tips to clear 2nd stage agony

gaunt mason
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chen

rich linden
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The damn slugs keep fricking me

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And the two flamthrower guys burning me

gaunt mason
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just take your time idk

rich linden
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Cant even dodge

ocean turret
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ehem emberRossiCopium

rich linden
gaunt mason
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or bring 4 defenders and slowly basic attack them to death

rich linden
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Ember + laevatain maybe work?

rapid heron
ocean turret
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as long as someone do physical status

rich linden
rapid heron
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@rich linden if you using Laevatain use Chen , WUlfguard and Gilberta

ocean turret
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or only liftt and down?

cinder oxide
rich linden
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Chen over kuri huh

rapid heron
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Chen use battle skill then COmbo to lift 1st guy

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then when he landed use Gilberta BS into WUlf combo for Gilberta and Laevatain combo

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then back to Chen BS and combo when waitign for their COmbo cooldown

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stagger your Chen BS and Chen combo so you get the most out of your CC

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when 2nd guy show up try use gilberta and gather both of them

rich linden
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Writing this down

rapid heron
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then wulfguard combo lift and repeat

rich linden
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I shall try this

rapid heron
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i was doing this on stream yesterday tried to figure out away to hlep laevatain work and that the only way i came up with after 2 days

rich linden
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There's no level requirements to cc right? Like in genshin

rapid heron
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easiest way is Yvonne perma freeze

rich linden
gaunt mason
cinder oxide
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@gaunt mason Setting up 2nd crush needs at least 7s from 1st crush either way

gaunt mason
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the first crush should kill

rapid heron
gaunt mason
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buy time for it to land using stagger

dawn patrol
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can you guys believe it

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rossi just a day away

rich linden
cinder oxide
rapid heron
# rich linden Thankss

the problem with laevatain here is she keep stepping back when Basic atatcks and hurt herself without the CC

rich linden
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I was losing my mind

daring dove
gaunt mason
signal palm
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tang tang tang sahur has no such issues with this boss PerliWheeze

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also rip 30 ginsengs

gaunt mason
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i’ve only seen a couple of da pan speedkills but they were all whaled

ocean turret
chilly bolt
glass birch
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If anything she's a swap in for Lae or makes her own team

terse valley
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I've been had

terse valley
# chilly bolt

I'm assuming u cant build up stacks when the enhanced buff is up?

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means u wanna time the buff with burst damage

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eugh idont like that

glass birch
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Rossi's kit is designed around CS -> BS part 2 -> Ult so you should have the buff up for her burst

dawn patrol
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now that i know the stats are locked in time to gamble

terse valley
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yeah that sounds simple but it's not exactly flexible

rapid heron
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anyone still think she only focus on ART DMG?

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time to lvl up your Pog bois

glass birch
chilly bolt
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I bet glorious is gonna be close

glass birch
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its likely that her Talent 2 is heat dmg

rapid heron
rapid heron
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they already her 2nd talent is physical

glass birch
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no

rapid heron
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during the 1.1 devblog

glass birch
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They said during the dev log that her talent 2 does damage when she crits

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they never said what type

terse valley
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anyways Oh look another chen BiS

glass birch
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Her dot on BS SEQ2 is phys

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Talent 2's extra hits on crit is the only part they never specified what type of damage it is

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Considering her design around buffing her ult; it's likely Heat DMG

lost void
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Which is better get? Get first copy of Oblivion or dupe?

terse valley
main nova
cinder oxide
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New sig doesn’t look a lot stronger than the BP wp but need to see mults first

terse valley
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goddamnit again with the numbers

cinder oxide
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I’m guessing it’s gonna cap out at like 60% dmg bonus at N4

glass birch
dawn patrol
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4000% phys and heat dmg boost

cinder oxide
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I don’t see the sig having more than 60% dmg bonus at p0 at least

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Maybe 80%

lost void
main nova
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its a cope weapon

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not stanza tho

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stanze is great

terse valley
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you think that's an okay sword for laev

cinder oxide
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That would put her NA, bs and cs above GM but ult is lower mult imo

cinder oxide
terse valley
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does laev even build crit

lost void
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Rossi sig definitely has strong interaction with application-consumption of vuln stacks & arts inf

terse valley
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yeah nah

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what

lost void
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Btw if I don't have Laev sig which is good alternative? White Nova or Umbral?

dawn patrol
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umbral

icy remnant
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Chen being able to use every single Phys sword PerliWheeze

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Inb4 Lupin scarlet is also bis for Chen

terse valley
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as funny as it might be iont think it's gonna be that good on chen due to the dmg split

icy remnant
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You can main field her and it’ll be maxed out on stacks p much permanently

terse valley
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...assuming u cant build up stacks during the enhanced buff

icy remnant
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You can stack it back up after the enhanced state using basic attacks

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Pretty fast

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Unless it has 10 stacks or whatever

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Which is unlikely

terse valley
#

🤷‍♂️

icy remnant
#

It should be worse than BP tho

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Cus of the split ye

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Unless it’s straight overtuned

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Cus Rossi needs the OP weapon

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And even then P0 shouldn’t beat P5

rapid heron
icy remnant
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Actually no the split shouldn’t matter

rich linden
rapid heron
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np

icy remnant
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I don’t think they will nerf the numbers just cus it buffs both stats

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Cus Rossi deals either Phys OR Heat
During any skill or ult

terse valley
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at the mercy of numbers yet again

icy remnant
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If you nerf the numbers cus of split you gimp too much

terse valley
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curse you HG!

icy remnant
#

A good example is looking at Umbral torch
It buffs both heat and nature damage very well
It’s not like a “oh nature dmg is wasted”

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Cus there’s no unit that has an attack that’s both heat and nature at the same time it won’t be balanced around that

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So it should be standalone good numbers wise for both heat and Phys for Rossis weapon

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I wouldn’t be surprised if equal potential it beats BP for Chen

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P5 vs P0 should just be BP winning tho

glass birch
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also it's likely her Talent 2 is Heat so.

signal palm
icy remnant
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I guess
Still wouldn’t make sense though to nerf the weapon just cus it buffs 2 elements

glass birch
#

technically all skills can apply both heat and phys for rossi if Talent 2's On crit extra hits are heat kekzu

icy remnant
#

Multiplier wise it’s pretty safe cus there’s no multiplier that treats heat 50% and Phys 50% as a 100% buff for example

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It’d just be a 50% buff

gaunt mason
#

idk how much money he’s spent already 😭

drifting quest
#

Well rossi sig is

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Interesting

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Saved by atk line

daring dove
#

Well I finally finished artificing Tangtang just in time anyway. Likely not worth doing the last 3 strength pips on gloves & off-pieces. Won't increase overall ATK value by more than 10-15 damage.

daring dove
# drifting quest Saved by atk line

Yeah that's a nice change CR as a sub stat is so poorly balanced compared to ATK that they kind of need to start giving CR 2nd stat weapons ATK% in their 3rd line.

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Otherwise they're kind of inherently bad or have a huge performance hit to overcome.

drifting quest
#

Crazy there's a plausible line where rossi bp is better than rossi sig

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Waiting to see numbers

echo cove
#

Any new update on rossi tc? Kekw

cinder oxide
#

Math heads does DOT crit in this game

cinder oxide
#

This is important to determine how fast rossi sig stacks

echo cove
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Rossi gonna defo run mi huh

cinder oxide
#

Rn we looking at 4-5 stacks to max Rossi sig based on vid analysis

echo cove
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I still can't visualize her team tho tbh

cinder oxide
#

Example: Wulf Chen Gil Rossi

drifting quest
# echo cove Wth fr?

So like because rossi sig buffs both damage types it might have lower numbers to compensate

If most of rossi's damage is in fact in ult like the devs said then having a higher buff amount via bp weapon might be more damage than sig

Naturally this is speculative as we lack numbers for rossi and her weapon, but it's not necessarily unrealistic

Again obviously running her as anything but an ult nuker will reduce bp value increase sig value

cinder oxide
#

Wulf procs Gil cs, with Gil bs, procs Chen cs and Rossi cs

cinder oxide
#

And you know how much that tends to devalue the buffs

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Furthermore here’s the kicker

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Every single substats is the exact same for sig and bp

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Agi crit rate atk%

drifting quest
#

You have to crit as well which is

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Miserable

cinder oxide
#

And the atk% on p0 sig is likely weaker than on p5 bp

icy remnant
#

And it’s not like it makes the 3rd line worse either the numbers are still good

cinder oxide
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In order for sig to outpace p5 bp it’d need to be at least 80% dmg bonus at p0

icy remnant
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So it’s either you get the big attack line on 2nd line or you get a free attack line on 3rd plus whatever you get on the 2nd line anyways

daring dove
#

There is one thing I really dislike about Rossi's sig though, since ATK% is on the 3rd line. It's going to scale potentially quite heavily with potentials. To the point where the P5 weapon could make Rossi 30-40% stronger depending on how much ATK% it gets. This is kind of the inherent disadvantage of the devs refusing to fix their CR mistake. 108_yaehmm

cinder oxide
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Which is kinda insane cos no other wp gives that kind of general buff

drifting quest
#

I mean it also depends on rossi damage split, what team she ends on and what rotation that team does

cinder oxide
icy remnant
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lol

cinder oxide
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GM p5 gives 19.6 atk%

sterile patrol
cinder oxide
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It’s like half of line 2

icy remnant
daring dove
icy remnant
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It’s not 20%

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lol

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The full line on line 3 is gonna be 19.6% at P5

cinder oxide
icy remnant
#

That’s the standard

cinder oxide
#

Brother

icy remnant
cinder oxide
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Okok

daring dove
icy remnant
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There’s a standard when it comes to these numbers

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There are other 6 star weapons with attack on the 3rd line as well and it’s been the same

terse valley
#

every single limited sig we've had so far has elemental dmg% on the 3rd line, and they all share the same number increase on potentials
this is the first atk% so it's hard to tell

icy remnant
#

Stats on 2nd line for 6 star is also all the same for same type

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It’s a pretty standardised thing

daring dove
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Especially 3rd line

drifting quest
#

Atk on third line isnt standard

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Valiant has different atk% amount

icy remnant
drifting quest
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To bp weapons

icy remnant
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I’m talking about passive attack %

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Rossis weapon is also passive

cinder oxide
drifting quest
#

I mean yes

daring dove
drifting quest
#

But the point was its baseless to assume rossi sig HAS to match bp weapons

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It could give more, it could give less

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We do not know

icy remnant
#

Sure I guess I’m wrong
But it won’t be a 20% difference in attack on a passive line that has no conditions between p0 and p5

sterile patrol
#

vibescrafting EZ

icy remnant
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If it’s a 20% difference without needing them to do anything on attack directly I’ll eat a boot

terse valley
#

glorious memory's atk% on the third line is 11.2% p0, 19.6% p5

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is it the same as sig? we dont know

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Probably

drifting quest
#

Valiant is like 16 and 28%

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Im sure theres another example thats different too

icy remnant
#

If we take valiant then it’ll be a 12% difference big deal PerliStare

cinder oxide
#

More important is the skill effect diff

lyric latch
cinder oxide
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If it’s 60% it’s not enough

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If it’s 70% it’s mid

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80% maybe can compete with bp

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Rmb that GM p5 is 100%

icy remnant
#

It’ll probably be balanced with the enhanced state in mind

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I doubt p0 will beat p5 for Chen
But should easily be BiS for Rossi

terse valley
#

has any of the BP weapons at p5 surpasses their signature counterpart at p0 anyone know?

cinder oxide
icy remnant
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No that ruins the point of the BP

terse valley
#

hm

icy remnant
#

I know Hypergryph hates money but not that much

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They will know how to do math

cinder oxide
#

I think it’s a design issue

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Cos if the buff was more crit dmg

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It’s more comparable

drifting quest
#

Real vibescrafting is seeing the weapon was made by Raythean which also made Chi Xiao and therefore the sword will be OP

cinder oxide
#

But we’re looking at dmg bonus rn

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That is way more diluted vs crit dmg which we assumed it might be

icy remnant
#

It’ll probably be like Umbral torch

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91% or so effectiveness for BP P5

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Doubt it’ll go over 95%

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Source being Devs wanting money

cinder oxide
#

Again it’d need some insane mults at p0 for that to be true

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Or Rossi would need balanced kit distribution

icy remnant
#

And it's stack based

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Stack based buffs scale pretty high

cinder oxide
#

80% dmg bonus

icy remnant
#

Even if we say 30% per stack and 5 stacks that's 150% PerliStare

icy remnant
terse valley
#

it could be a unique multiplier for all we know

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"Wolfen Blood" buff

cinder oxide
#

Laev gets 105% on basics only in ult only

icy remnant
#

BP is 100% buff at P5 I don't see why a 150% DMG buff is crazy

cinder oxide
#

Ts is a general buff to many dmg types

cinder oxide
#

You gotta understand distribution

cinder oxide
#

And that’s highly limited area of dmg

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Rossi Sig will be affecting broad range of sources

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Which unfortunately usually corresponds to low mults

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Who to compare it to…

icy remnant
#

They do have the enhanced state for timing and downtime

cinder oxide
#

5 crits will get you there

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According to the dev log

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Ppl counted how many hits to max the stack

icy remnant
#

They should give her higher numbers based on it anyways

#

We'll see, Devs aren't dumb enough to make BP better than Sig

cinder oxide
#

And I’m saying the numbers they’d have to give sig would make it broken for EVERY character

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80% dmg bonus on everything is almost worth for Laev

icy remnant
#

Chen new BIS incoming

lyric latch
icy remnant
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You're gonna proc enhanced state after ult expires

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And then enhanced state is gonna be off during ult

cinder oxide
icy remnant
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You can't control when you get 5 crits

cinder oxide
#

Idk how they counted 16

icy remnant
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It deserves to have higher numbers

cinder oxide
#

At max crit you have a good chance of getting max stacks within that string alone

icy remnant
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Doesn't matter I'm referring to you saying it would be broken for every character

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Laev is not going to build full crit for it

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You're gonna randomly proc it when ur Ult isnt up

cinder oxide
icy remnant
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And expire when Ult is ready

lyric latch
icy remnant
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You need to be a dedicated crit unit to have it be consistent

cinder oxide
#

Ok idk atp

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Can we get actual numbers instead of wtf this is

#

It’s the icon but I can’t read the count

icy remnant
#

So yea on Rossi I can see it can be very consistent cus they balanced it around her

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And her high number of attacks

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But for everyone else it's probably crap

cinder oxide
#

Fair nough on it being good only for Rossi

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But I still say the buff can’t be that much at enhanced

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Max is 80%

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I cannot see it being any higher

icy remnant
#

As long as it's good enough to be 10% better than BP that's all that matters

daring dove
#

Anyway guess I can finally commit to this fully now.

icy remnant
#

80% plus 50% boost to 120% during enhanced state I can see it
Then it falls off and you need to rebuild

cinder oxide
icy remnant
#

I've been trying to find a good BP piece

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But I only found 111

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I burnt 60 WuLing tickets

daring dove
cinder oxide
#

Doesn’t even proc for her bs

daring dove
#

I was ready no matter what weapon essence she needed.

open narwhal
open narwhal
cinder oxide
icy remnant
#

No

icy remnant
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Artzy is Int

cinder oxide
#

I thought artzy was diff

daring dove
#

7840x2160.

open narwhal
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thank you

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mb

sterile moat
#

Hopefully my clannibal can finally be useful with rossi

sterile moat
main nova
#

a wide wide wide screen

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the wide is triple

daring dove
# main nova a wide wide wide screen

Funny thing is my screen is nearly 3 years old now, an still nobody as put out anything close spec wise. The closest thing is that new Dell 52" 6k ultrawide. But it's still a lower resolution & lower refresh rate that my nearly 3 year old display.

icy remnant
main nova
drifting berry
#

They finally did a signature weapon that works on more than 1 character

sterile moat
daring dove
icy remnant
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It might be Chens new BIS at P5 but who will roll a P5 sig like that for Chen PerliStare

echo cove
#

Hm....

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Doe this mean the game will need update tmr when rosi arrive?

summer narwhal
#

Did we lose our pinned chart for essences?

drifting berry
#

maybe is a really short maintenance

daring dove
#

Just gives you a kind of "semi" VR experience as the game worlds wrap around your view rather than just betting a letter box on front of you.

vivid scroll
#

What are the best gears to use for tang2 and yvonne

drifting quest
vivid scroll
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Rot?

warped sinew
#

who's idea it was to hide 3 sky pole in this area...

drifting quest
#

Rotation

daring dove
# vivid scroll Rot?

Different rotations have different ult gain requirements for Tangtang, I think Yvonne's is always static?

drifting quest
#

Most yvonne ones are similar yes, just needing uge chest

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P1 removes that need

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For tangtang*

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Yvonne mostly does not run rots that need uge for herself

vivid scroll
#

Uhh yvonne tang2 xaihi and either ardelia/perlica

quasi quarry
#

for endmin chen lifeng pog who's the best to onfield purely for stagger buildup?

main nova
daring dove
#

So is Asia getting Rossi earlier than EU/NA then?

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I'm mostly just curious because I want to know full kit details.

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Want to see if I can make Tangtang + Rossi work of if she's tied to a bum like Wulfguard because of the need to combust.

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I really hope not as that'll badly hurt Rossi's potential value.

outer ermine
#

yea always

vivid scroll
#

Yea im in asia so we'll see her first ahaha

outer ermine
#

u p5ing? striker PerliStareYou

drifting quest
#

Id expect a patch sometime today to preload it

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And then we datamine it

honest hill
outer ermine
#

naw im broke PerliFumo just gonna get

icy remnant
#

Oh ya if ur from NA remember you can technically get 2 days of logins on tickets on day 1

honest hill
#

ur so rich

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Hifumi

proud vector
#

whats the ETA

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of rossi D:

daring dove
#

If she's a buff to my Tangtang

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Then 100%.

drifting quest
#

Rossi TT is a hypothetical team

icy remnant
#

Rossi Gilberta Perlica incoming

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4th unit idk

drifting quest
#

Wulfgard, most likely

icy remnant
#

Not using the Vuln stacks makes me sad

drifting quest
#

Gilberta uses them

outer ermine
#

i saw a very funni lr, xai, endmin, rossi cook so ICANT

drifting quest
#

She just does not consume them

ocean turret
lyric latch
#

Akekuri maybe?

drifting quest
#

Ake works too, may be better but I'd expect wulf to win

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Ake is a bit too sp intensive

icy remnant
#

Gilberta being good in every team makes me upset

#

Rerun when

drifting quest
#

Generic support does generic things

lyric latch
#

Rossi Gilb Perl Ake will looks like it will be very easy to play

icy remnant
#

Gilberta+ Perlica just works

drifting quest
#

Harder to proc combustion and you struggle for your 4 stack corro

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Is the akekuri issue

proud vector
#

O is this corrosionmaxxing Rossi

glass birch
#

Considering that you're not using SP that often with Rossi/Perl/Gil, someone like Wulf might be nice for his own buffs/debuffs 3sChiakiHmm 20% dmg on ult from Ake + SP generation and Frontier/Thermite vs. 15% Heat Dmg% and clannibal, as well as access to free combustion for enhanced Rossi Talent 2 procs might be nice

proud vector
#

PerliStareYou that’s tight

icy remnant
#

Clannibal probably designed around this

drifting quest
#

Clannibal finally usable

#

And yet might still be worse than obj depending on uge req

icy remnant
#

Since he has so much SP to spam skills

#

He’s probably fine

drifting quest
#

SP doesnt matter

#

He gets the same energy as everyone else from sp

icy remnant
#

Wulfgard will probably be a secondary dps like Chen here

drifting quest
#

If rossi has a notably faster timeline and wulf cannot keep up without obj's uge then you might drop clannibal

glass birch
#

P5 letting you get 2 Combo worth of ult energy nets you nearly half his required energy for ult with clannibal and current UGE set up doesnt it? 3sChiakiHmm

icy remnant
#

Compared to just being a heat infliction slave

drifting quest
#

Since wulf dps is miserable in general

drifting quest
icy remnant
#

I’d say if Clannibal can’t keep up you’d probably want to totally drop Wulf anyways

drifting quest
#

Add on how you want to save ult for rossi ult compared to it being for laev combo

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Means uge works differently

icy remnant
#

And use someone else

drifting quest
#

We cannot consistently do the double combo wulf tech

#

All this is to say until we get numbers this means nothing

#

As with every other rossi discussion

icy remnant
#

I don’t see how Wulf provides enough if he can’t use Clannibal

proud vector
#

It took a couple of days to figure tt out even with the numbers

icy remnant
#

It’s just combustion

#

It’s either Clannibal Wulfgard or you’ll just use someone like Akekuri is my guess

proud vector
#

PerliStare Is crush Rossi dead on the floor still? Or is there hopium somehow?

glass birch
#

Everythings on the table until she's released ngl

icy remnant
#

Endmin combo is way too hard to pull off with how Rossi combo works

#

You can’t sequence Endmin combo last

#

Cus you need to perfect timing Rossi combo

#

It’s a pretty horrendous anti synergy

#

If we use Crush it’s probably Dapan

glass birch
#

What's endmin's combo requirement? Someone using a combo skill?

#

You'd have to pop it immediately after rossi's first combo

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and the 2nd part would break it

cinder oxide
#

Yall think we’ll get real numbers b4 the patch drops tmr

icy remnant
#

So you’ll proc Endmin combo on the first Rossi combo
And then you can’t not use it

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You need to crush there

glass birch
#

Yeah

icy remnant
#

It’s kinda

terse valley
proud vector
#

BeanGamble some shenadiganery needs to happen for that to work yes

ocean turret
#

the originium crystals got consumed too earlyRossiCopium

#

any physcal status will consume it

icy remnant
#

Yep

glass birch
#

its the same value if you crush or lift

icy remnant
proud vector
#

BeanGamble the damage though

icy remnant
#

Even a 1 Vuln stack w Endmin sig is basically a 4 stack crush

proud vector
#

That said you can also lift for the SP

drifting quest
#

As with everything

proud vector
#

Figured

drifting quest
#

Until we see rossi numbers we know nothing

proud vector
#

PerliStare and for a while after too

glass birch
#

it's the same value wether endmin breaks it or someone else

drifting quest
#

Most stuff is premade for rossi atp so it'll be sort of fast for early direction

icy remnant
drifting quest
#

But it'll take days to weeks to finalise TC

proud vector
#

Tangtang took a few days yeah

drifting quest
#

Same way TT tc is mostly done but not final 2 weeks in

proud vector
#

Initial impressions were poor until more extensive optimisations popped in

icy remnant
#

I saw so much TangTang doom posting

drifting quest
#

Datamine was pretty misleading for TT yeah

icy remnant
#

It’s kinda funny

proud vector
#

PerliStare pivot into sub-dps which turned out well

cinder oxide
#

I gotta get my grp project stuff done asap b4 12 so I can do rossi math PerliFumo

drifting quest
#

Numbers looked way worse than they were in practice

glass birch
cinder oxide
proud vector
#

It was for support Tangtang tbh

#

But subdps worked out

drifting quest
cinder oxide
#

Even mdps tt is working out tbf

glass birch
proud vector
#

Battleskill% has a home

#

Very funny

cinder oxide
proud vector
#

I mean it’s cyro

cinder oxide
#

Don’t forget the 60sp infliction

regal fractal
#

is pog sig or thermite better on pog

proud vector
#

They are already committing tax fraud

icy remnant
#

SP refund is over hated
It’s still free skill points and you can build around UGE

drifting quest
cinder oxide
regal fractal
proud vector
#

Atk% is valuable

#

That’s it really

drifting quest
# regal fractal just curious as to why

Damage dealt is super saturated
Pog personal damage is not good
Atk% is not very saturated
Thermite is easier to get (at best free) whereas pog sig costs 16k

cinder oxide
#

You can get 12.5% phys dmg from a chest piece

proud vector
#

We can go into the specifics of saturation but

#

PerliWheeze yeah

cinder oxide
#

You cannot get 10% atk from gear

glass birch
icy remnant
#

SP refund from Endmin pretty much keeps the wheels spinning for Phys

drifting quest
#

Atk is still better than dam dealt buffs

#

For yvonne

proud vector
glass birch
#

Well, for Yvonne she's carried by the massive amount of dmg% on her wep

icy remnant
#

We won’t be able to use the SP refund for Rossi though unless we crush early

proud vector
#

And funnily enough technically Chen can use Rossi sig

glass birch
#

oh wait you still need a vuln

#

Hmm

cinder oxide
#

200sp for 4 vuln stacks PerliWheeze

#

And it loops for 100sp each time

dry kindle
#

did someone say returned sp

ocean turret
glass birch
cinder oxide
#

You gil cs into Ard cs and spend only 100sp for Gil bs. Then u proc rossi cs and use rossi bs and crush with Da Pan

signal palm
cinder oxide
#

Then u rossi ult and get back heat stack

glass birch
cinder oxide
icy remnant
glass birch
#

Perlica's combo applies Electrification

ocean turret
icy remnant
#

Oh I didn’t see Perlica

#

U just typed Perl

cinder oxide
cinder oxide
glass birch
ocean turret
#

Or maybe it is we wouldnt know

cinder oxide
glass birch
cinder oxide
#

Hasn’t logged in 4d but I ain’t kicking him

proud vector
cinder oxide
#

Imma keep him on my list to appraise his progress

proud vector
#

When was this added it’s cute

cinder oxide
#

Gonna see the p5/p5 Rossi

drifting quest
#

Bean propaganda

icy remnant
#

In b4 we see Mifu is a combustion spammer

#

And we drop Perlica

cinder oxide
#

Mifu is nature trust

proud vector
#

Remember guys we need to absolutely go nuts on speedrunning the bean power wash minigame

cinder oxide
#

If it’s pulls we gotta

#

Except it’s locked to daily release missions PerliDerp

#

For a week

#

They should do daily release for Umbral tbh

#

Would be nice to have everyone theory craft the stages individually

#

Instead of just saying

#

Oh stage 1 is so easy u should try stage 3

icy remnant
#

Yea if it’s 1 a day people will try to min max every stage

cinder oxide
#

Drip feed us content HG

icy remnant
#

Would be more fun

cinder oxide
#

Learn how to retain engagement

proud vector
#

Still though

No crit rate passive on Rossi weapon effect

icy remnant
#

Right now people don’t really care about min maxing every stage

cinder oxide
proud vector
#

Yeah line 3

cinder oxide
#

Cos line 2 is 19.5% crit rate