theorycrafting

[dry kindle]

Me when rng

[gaunt mason]

feels like that's going to be a while

[tight haven]

lizhiyan might be phys

i dont see mifu or fangyi being phys though

[edgy crater]

aint cs m3 give -1s cd?

[tight haven]

yes but it doesnt matter

youre never going to cskill on pog that often

[edgy crater]

dats tempting enough to me

[tight haven]

it does literally nothing lol

it only helps if your phys rotations are already suboptimal and youre not getting enough crushes in per breach

[heady pine]

kinda hope lizhiyan is nature dps

[edgy crater]

welp, can skip it then

btw, max ulti gain arti on pog?

[tight haven]

yes

no

oops

max arts int

[gaunt mason]

😭

[tight haven]

thought you said arts int for some reason there

[edgy crater]

bruh get water

[tight haven]

ideally you use hw set since the new arms let you get slightly more arts int

but pulser is fine if youve already artificed it

[edgy crater]

well, none artific

my max arti AI pulsar still on perlica

[gaunt mason]

btw @edgy crater for a 2 ult rotation can't cycle it properly though

[gaunt mason]

just swap it around

[edgy crater]

u still do dat monte testing?

also, im already shared ulti kit between lr n chen lol

[gaunt mason]

embrace communism

[gaunt mason]

unfortunately

now that the code's set up it's a lot easier

thankfully

[edgy crater]

but well, i have p5 glorius anyway

[tight haven]

glorious p5 is way easier to get for most folks anyway

[rapid heron]

send you the calculation spreadsheet and everything

[heady pine]

hopefully the rossi weapon isnt a 10% upgrade to p5 glorious

[gaunt mason]

[tight haven]

even if it is i dont particularly mind

[rapid heron]

personal or team?

[edgy crater]

against rascent? of course lol

[tight haven]

chen and rossi probably arent going to be used together

[edgy crater]

i dont even have rascent lol

[gaunt mason]

i feel like the sig is going to be a lot more restrictive

[heady pine]

personal like how p5 glorious is ~10% better than p5 sundering

but i wouldnt pull for it at that point

[rapid heron]

sundering?

isnt sundering great sword?

[edgy crater]

box cutter

[gaunt mason]

the ugly orange one

[rapid heron]

thermite cutter

[edgy crater]

sundered prince, sundering steel

[heady pine]

former finery

[rapid heron]

im kinda confuse

"personal like how p5 glorious is ~10% better than p5 sundering"

[heady pine]

yes?

[rapid heron]

so you was talking about P5 former VS P5 sundering?

[gaunt mason]

what

[tight haven]

you make the assumption that youre ulting with max stacks there ofc

[tight haven]

former finery is a gs

do you mean glorious memory vs sundering steel?

[heady pine]

no im saying rossi's unreleased weapon vs p5 glorious

hopefully its not an upgrade for chen cause ppl are already swapping sundering steel for glorious memory

[rapid heron]

oh nvm

[heady pine]

thats it

[rapid heron]

i forgot that stupid sword

[cinder oxide]

We don’t even know what said wp does no?

[tight haven]

we do not

it was a "what if"

[cinder oxide]

No point over debating it then

[rapid heron]

cause rarely anybody mention it cause ugly and noone want to use

[cinder oxide]

Still get GM cos it’s for Chen anyway

[gaunt mason]

[rapid heron]

all we know that her Weapon give stack on crit

[edgy crater]

[rapid heron]

go up to 14or 15 stacks

[gaunt mason]

feels like the info page on my chen sheet is getting exponentially wordier

[cinder oxide]

Then even if Rossi wp is a lot better GM still has value

[rapid heron]

after 3s not stacking it goes away

[dry kindle]

Were pulling rossi sig so chen can keep using memory

[edgy crater]

box cutter literally chen forefront weap choice lmao

[dry kindle]

🗿

[tight haven]

what

wait

are you using mi security on chen???

[gaunt mason]

what

[edgy crater]

[tight haven]

this

[dry kindle]

If you're brain dent yes

[tight haven]

sob

[dry kindle]

Or want to fucking gamble

[gaunt mason]

this is your fault i think

[cinder oxide]

Crit focus Chen

[edgy crater]

wtf what?

[rapid heron]

there is one thing i dont understand is during Rossi gameplay when she Ulted one time the max stack gone after the Ult and one time it doesnt

and not sure what triggered it

[edgy crater]

i know i test mi crit chen before but already said its shit lol

[tight haven]

OH

[edgy crater]

[tight haven]

okay fucksake theyre talking abt rossi

[tight haven]

i was like aintnoway we finally have an mis chen user

[rapid heron]

prob best set for chen atm imo

[gaunt mason]

wtf

[edgy crater]

me technically chen mi set lol

[tight haven]

naw aethertech is mad bait

run the numbers, it gets beat by swordmancer and yinglung w the new gear

[heady pine]

wtf

[edgy crater]

trust yinglung ulti kit

170% ulti yes

[dry kindle]

At least its not aether endmin

[edgy crater]

AI maxing endmin

[rapid heron]

what set is for endmin ?

[tight haven]

swordmancer

[edgy crater]

sm

[tight haven]

you use phys dmg kits

bc endmin actually deals damage besides on crush unlike dapan

[rapid heron]

anyone think they shouldnt have add ult full on recrisis or put a limit on it everyday or give us option to turn it off?

[edgy crater]

dapan need to fix his wok whenever u do crush with him

[tight haven]

tbf dapan does have something going for him

youre never starving for vuln stacks with the poor guy

just a shame his crush is tied to cskill

[edgy crater]

overstack

[tight haven]

yeah hes cringe

[rapid heron]

only for controlled right? cause if you only use her as AI for crystal and crusher isnt aether sitll better?

[edgy crater]

no, its good qol

[tight haven]

nope, even off-field

[edgy crater]

i can crit fishing faster

[tight haven]

swordmancer assists w stagger and endmin does very competent dmg thru crystal breaks and ult

[rapid heron]

cause if we want to show case rotation without any ult to begin with it kinda impossible now. only place is Axe and balista

some skill cant be cast without target so you can waste your ult before going into fight

[edgy crater]

theres ulti dat needing target?

[gaunt mason]

all of phys basically

[edgy crater]

oh w8, pysical ulti

except endmin?

[gaunt mason]

also endmin

[rapid heron]

i think any single target ult need target

[gaunt mason]

anything that does damage i'm p sure

mnaybe not

[edgy crater]

yvonne ulti no

[rapid heron]

Perlica Ult, arclight Ult

[edgy crater]

perlica ulti can be cast with 0 target

[rapid heron]

Yvone not single target Ult it;s more of a tranform attack enhance state like laeva t

im trying in rohdagn right now i cant cast her Ult

[gaunt mason]

no?

[edgy crater]

yes she can

[edgy crater]

did hg change it?

[tight haven]

chen is a weird exception then

her ult is st but you can cast it without a target

[gaunt mason]

you can't cast hers either

i think you just can't cast anything that does damage

[rapid heron]

seem to be correct

[tight haven]

i just did

[rapid heron]

can yuo record it?

[tight haven]

ive done it multiple times in the overworld by accident too

[rapid heron]

try rhodagn

cause you are not actually in combat state before enemeis spawn

in protocol space

[tight haven]

oh yeah it doesnt let you in rhodagn

never made that mistake there

thats funny

[gaunt mason]

my code broke again

feels like they consider protocol spaces part of overworld

[rapid heron]

so yeah it kind fked anyone want to shwo rotation with this system

[gaunt mason]

you can cast any ult before combat no problem

[rapid heron]

that why they should add optino to enable it or disable

[inland geyser]

how's pulsar hand vs new aethertech hands for avy?

[rapid heron]

worse i think

cause it give diminishing return cause bonecrusher kit

most of avy dmg from her BS

wait nvm

they same group

i think it better

[ripe adder]

where's the guy with the document

[icy remnant]

I use Umbral

[chilly bolt]

@forest lily

[icy remnant]

Honestly the current Umbral boss is abit too weak but we should be getting a stronger one soon

Should be nice to show rotations on

[forest lily]

hi

what do you need

[icy remnant]

Avywenna talk above it seems

[rapid heron]

the day they add ult full charge to umbral monument is the day the game dead

[chilly bolt]

#theorycrafting message

[forest lily]

3%

[jagged stump]

3% diff? aight i just keep my pulsar

[inland geyser]

aight time to get a new hand

yes I am insane how can you tell?

[forest lily]

i already maxed new hand lol

whos insane now https://youtu.be/yaFdnXPAcdo

[inland geyser]

I've been settling down with electric and play phys

[rapid heron]

PHYSICAL STOCK GONNA BE STONK WITH ROSSIIIIII

[inland geyser]

does rossi even do anything for phys

seems like she's her own thing lol

[rapid heron]

yes

make them take mroe physical, build up vulnerbility stack faster

it not gonna be as storng as goinfg full physical

but if you want to have art unit on physical then she gonna be a must

[inland geyser]

I'll just go with raw phys

I don't like her anyway

[rapid heron]

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/1087924593685188628/1480773402590449735/cHWQ7tC.gif

how could you

[inland geyser]

she's italian

and short

very bad

[jagged stump]

im surprised you didnt get the 2nd stack of p3 perlica before finisher and still that high of a dmg

[rapid heron]

thatis racist XD

[jagged stump]

p2 gilbert hacker

[chilly bolt]

Gil p2 abuser

[jagged stump]

imma recreate that later with p0
-# if i remember

[forest lily]

skill

[jagged stump]

what

[forest lily]

my perlica has skill

[jagged stump]

wdym she has skill

[forest lily]

she has skill

[jagged stump]

lvl 2 electrification (cs) and 1 stack p3, might couldve fully one shot without ult or another bs

[cinder oxide]

I’m…. Not sure if you know

This guy

Is the 1.7mil dmg Perlica guy

[jagged stump]

i know

[cinder oxide]

Fair nough

[jagged stump]

it doesnt change the fact that its gilb p2 and missed a potent buff/debuff there, which wasted so much potential

oh god im so envious of gil p2 abuser

[quartz horizon]

I'm envious of anyone with gilb

[jagged stump]

bricked acc

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/1383319215003664394/1456328535806443655/RDT_20260102_0046543848814335344113849.gif

[quartz horizon]

I'm sad too

why didnt this game do even more advertising

[warped sorrel]

they just bad at marketing

[chilly bolt]

Gil as 2nd banner is evil

People were too satisfied with laevatin

They skipped gil

[quartz horizon]

yup, laev should've been pushed back or at least phase 3

[chilly bolt]

No laev first is perfect for game progression

I'd say push yv to 2nd

[quartz horizon]

now I wait an unknown amount of time for rerun

[chilly bolt]

Probably just 1 year

Like usual

[quartz horizon]

in og arknights there was an interesting system for it right

how will I live a year w/out her

[chilly bolt]

In ak they dont have true rerun but as an off banner in future limited banner, and you can spark them with 300 pulls

[cinder oxide]

That’s what it was supposed to be btw

If I’m not wrong Laev Yv Gil was the beta2 order

Also is the same order as the v4 3 outposts

[quartz horizon]

game scammed me out of my gilberta

[cinder oxide]

Gil in early betas was designed to show up in main story around lodespring and plateau

She would’ve had actual reasons to be bis for plateau outpost

And been sufficiently introduced b4 her quest

[fresh trench]

chat

i found ardelia frame skip

[summer flicker]

[shrewd root]

i have max potential sundering steel on my chen but rapid ascent (6 star, chen sig) is in my arsenal exchange shop, is it worth getting?

[tight haven]

it was yes

[tight haven]

can you p5 glorious memory

the bp sword

[shrewd root]

i dont think so cause i didnt buy the bp
i js have the orig ver

[tight haven]

p5 sundering is just fine

[chilly bolt]

It's a bait, glorious is at least equal to rapid and is free

[tight haven]

youre missing out on about ~10% personal damage compared to glorious

and yeah rascent is comparable to glorious at similar invests

[shrewd root]

i see, so rascent > glorious (barely) > sundering, but since my sundering is max pot is better than the others at p0, correct?

[cinder oxide]

Can

Well not yet

P4 for now

Have to wait for the last pot box to be available at lvl 50 to get p5

[tight haven]

you can p5 it now if you saved boxes from last bp

[cinder oxide]

Not all the way

Cos still one more box is needed

That no one has the points to reach

[tight haven]

what

i have it p5 lol

[chilly bolt]

You can now lol

[cinder oxide]

2 box from last patch + 2 selector now + 2 box from this patch?

[tight haven]

you can literally get it p5 if you had boxes saved and you bought the bp

yeah

[chilly bolt]

Do your bp missions smh

[cinder oxide]

No wait

Oh yeah

I have 1 pot box that Im saving

[tight haven]

rascent isnt strictly better than glorious

[cinder oxide]

Waiting to get selector next patch

So I dont waste potbox

[tight haven]

sundering technically isnt strictly worse than glorious either tbf but in most cases glorious beats sundering

rascent ~= glorious at similar invests, from current testing ive done and numbers others have crunched

[shrewd root]

gotcha, but since if i got rascent or glorious at all rn theyd be p0, my max pot sundering would js be better

[tight haven]

yep

[cinder oxide]

Mhm but p5 GM is still achievable

[shrewd root]

checks out, i dont plan on maining chen so ill hold off getting her wep upgrades

[smoky quarry]

P3 GM beats P5Sundering
P5 GM has 8-12% dps advantae against P5 sundering

It's important enough to notice, yet you say they are roughly equal

[chilly bolt]

I mean ur comparing a p5 6* to a p5 5*

[mortal trellis]

tbf if you can get GM to >p2 then you must've bought both passes, and atp you'd be able to p5

just a go big or go home situation

[smoky quarry]

bp sigs are kinda fake six stars to be honest

they are the cheapest to max out

the only reason why GM doesn't destroys sundering is cause of trash effect in second line

the unexplainable urge of the developer to add crit chance to a character who can't utilise it properly

1% crit converts to 0.5% attack

[gaunt mason]

sundering is still very very good for a 5*

it’s just ugly

[smoky quarry]

chen coslayers should use this as ss replica

would be faithful to original

If they wanted box cutter design so bad, they should've checked AoT ones 😭

[gaunt mason]

that’s just a 3* weapon

[daring dove]

Stanley Knife

[smoky quarry]

idk, make it yellow

will be 5 star

[gaunt mason]

[gaunt mason]

also https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/1yQRxspG8WwPv487LlaGVxQK03VFQ44EYCLHBA8Pyq5I/edit?usp=drivesdk

it’s 8-12% ish for some rotation assumptions with average crit

i added in a crit distribution tab today too

can’t figure out how to format it though

[smoky quarry]

p5 rapid ascent is 0.31% better than p5 gm (with yinglung)

money well spent for whales i guess

[gaunt mason]

when you look at that rotation yeah

they should’ve given rapid an atk line or something instead

[smoky quarry]

they should delete crit line from everyone's signature who is not using crit

it makes sense for chen to have crit lore-wise, but she was not designed like a crit character

[cinder oxide]

RA isnt actually made as her sig tbf

5* sigs are all 5* wp

Its just that the 6* general wp are better

[smoky quarry]

5 stars have 6 stars weapons clearly designed for them

[cinder oxide]

Like Exemplar for DP

[smoky quarry]

cause no one else can use them properly

[cinder oxide]

Chen -> Aspirant
Da Pan -> Seeker of Dark Lung

Stuff that that

But theyre just worse

Than 6* on the whole is why

[smoky quarry]

Dark Lung scales of arts bursts?

[cinder oxide]

Whoops wrong GS

Lemme go find which one it waas

[gaunt mason]

ancient canal

[smoky quarry]

is there any conclusion to this spreadsheet btw?

[gaunt mason]

the info page is most of it

it’s hard to make 100% accurate conclusions because of low crit

[daring dove]

You mean how Perlica has Stanza for her 5* weapon an Stanza for her 6* weapon as well.

[cinder oxide]

The second they release crit dmg gear

[gaunt mason]

i can add win rates like weapon a will win against weapon b x% of the time but that would be even more confusing

[cinder oxide]

There will have to be MAJOR overhauls

[gaunt mason]

hell nah

there’s enough crit malding as is 😭

[smoky quarry]

118.72% p5gm
100% p5ss

looks like win

[mortal trellis]

do i even watn to run r9 gm cause of the crit malding

[gaunt mason]

well

it’s better even if you completely disregard crit

[mortal trellis]

fair

i might pull a p5 gm if it beats p0 rossi sig too then

[manic blade]

Anyone found a main dps tangtang billi billi vid…

[daring dove]

Biggest problem with crit RN is developers have balanced the sub stats on weapons. 39% ATK is better than 39% CR, yet for some reason known only to satan himself they decided to give CR weapons 19.5 CR.

[mortal trellis]

i mean they very clearly intend some chars to be crit chars and other chars to not be

it just so happens that GM beats sundering anyways cause its stats are better

[gaunt mason]

if you look at the runs with the highest frequency gm still wins

the right chunk for glorious is if you crit the big ult hit

[mortal trellis]

ic

pretty goated, ive been looking for GM calcs for a while now but i've been too pre-occupied with the factory

[gaunt mason]

average is a bit skewed as a result but idk how to better compare weapon performance

[mortal trellis]

appreciate it 🙏

[cinder oxide]

CR wp should have 78% CR (Jetstream Sam thinking reaction)

[mortal trellis]

the humble future crit char with like 150% crit dmg:

[gaunt mason]

rossi trust

[mortal trellis]

i can only assume that 19.5% cr will be much more comparable as we're given the option to further our crit dmg.

what do you even abbreviate crit damage to

cd is already taken

[cinder oxide]

CrD

[mortal trellis]

hmm

maybe..

[jagged stump]

cdmg

[gaunt mason]

i use cd for both

[mortal trellis]

kinda based

im not even coping rossi dps anymore i just want her to be fun

[cinder oxide]

Rossi gonna be one of those gets better with more teammates

[mortal trellis]

well i was never coping rossi dps to begin with

[cinder oxide]

BUT HOLY SHIT MORE NEW 5* PLS HG

[mortal trellis]

bro we've only gotten 2 units be patient 🥹

[cinder oxide]

WE CANT KEEP DOING NOTHING BUT 6*

[gaunt mason]

next region

[mortal trellis]

monkey paw curls; zhuang is now a 5* and the game explodes

[jagged stump]

mifu *5, bet

[daring dove]

19.5% will never be comparable, I honest just think the developers who designed the sub-stats didn't implement ATK% properly so made it so it's more than twice as good as CR. They since they can't nerf characters with ATK% they need to go back & rebalance her CR scaling. Because right now it's absolutely terrible.

ATK% buffing a characters base ATK is absurdly broken.

[cinder oxide]

Just increase CR 9 to 39% man

[gaunt mason]

i really hope crit doesn’t become the meta for every single character

[cinder oxide]

Then give us 100% crit dmg

[gaunt mason]

[cinder oxide]

Yeah but rn crit is meta on NO character

Its nothing special even for Yvonne

[gaunt mason]

yv*nne

[mortal trellis]

well i think its also worth considering that crit is an untapped mine so far, atk% is already fairly diluted

[cinder oxide]

Who mind u was built for it in mind

[gaunt mason]

the best thing they can do is give a character self crit buffs imo

but they have to be insane for it to outscale like

[mortal trellis]

atk% naturally needs higher scalings to keep up in terms of relative gain, on the chars that want crit-related stats, that 19.5% CR will be huge

[gaunt mason]

slab

[jagged stump]

perlica with 80% crit rate on ult

[cinder oxide]

Look I just want a crit set for Chen

[mortal trellis]

then again, i'm fundamentally biased cause i hate critslop games who just make everyone spec into a crit build in some way shape or form

[daring dove]

Even with Yvonne it's often considered better to drop her CR away from 100% in favour of slsb. An to be honest her performance is way to close to Last Rite who scales with ATK%.

[cinder oxide]

So many crit wp are for her yet

[daring dove]

CR/CD is in a bad place rn.

[cinder oxide]

All not optimal

[mortal trellis]

i think its in its own little niche and i prefer it to be that way

[gaunt mason]

tbh i just really really hate crit

[mortal trellis]

we only have one real crit char (yvonne) to judge it and i dont think its fair to draw definitive conclusions from that either

[cinder oxide]

Issue is it doesnt even have said niche

Yvonne is barely a crit character

[mortal trellis]

ehhh

i think she's very much so a crit character

[cinder oxide]

She runs slab man

[mortal trellis]

her talents, ult, pots, etc. all interact with crit

[mortal trellis]

just because slab results in higher returns doesn't mean she's not a crit char

[chilly bolt]

Crit shouldn't be exist ngl

[mortal trellis]

it draws away from the point that her kit actually interacts with crit

[mortal trellis]

or this lol

[chilly bolt]

Just make it inside a character's kit like og ak,

[mortal trellis]

i think the game handled crit very well compared to other combat games i've played, but i dont exactly have the most expansive list of experiences under my belt

i think a 5% CR 50% Cdmg is just a really nice "oh hey that happened" thing, while also making you not try and chase after it like a starving dog

it is kinda annoying when you land it and it screws up your rot though

[gaunt mason]

lr mains:

[mortal trellis]

ok lr mains aren't real human beings

[gaunt mason]

[chilly bolt]

Hifumi literally

[mortal trellis]

tbf even with og ak, the crit chars are very obviously crit chars... as in they have crit at all in their kit

[gaunt mason]

every time i see hifumi here he’s saying something like i missed one out of 7 crits

[mortal trellis]

7 crits wtf

[daring dove]

Point is rn whenever we see a character that scales with CR instead of ATK we have to automatically deduct points from their kit. Becasue even Yvonne would be stronger if her weapon had ATK% instead of CR. There is no argument rn that CR is balanced it's in such a poor place that even "CRIT" characters would prefer ATK% as a sub on their weapons.

[smoky quarry]

tbh it would be perfectly fine if they left crits as little bonus that sometimes lands, and that's all

no ways to buff it

at least something different from other arpg gachas

[daring dove]

It's not a bonus though right now it's a debuff, that's the problem.

[mortal trellis]

thats moreso an issue of the balancing between gear stats and weapon stats i feel, especially with the whole using lynx slab instead of caring more about crit with the flex kit slot

[smoky quarry]

1m perlica finisher goes brrr

[mortal trellis]

i think it'd be really neat if they added a crit toggle lol

[gaunt mason]

using crit to balance characters

[mortal trellis]

for the players who want consistency

[mortal trellis]

and if you want to mald that one in a hundred run that lands two important crits, then you do you

[jagged stump]

wife

[smoky quarry]

literally

[jagged stump]

i guess we can go tag team

🗿

[chilly bolt]

Wife

[jagged stump]

yes

[cinder oxide]

She does not have allat

[daring dove]

Yeah that's why I'm saying the devs really need to look at CR values on their weapons. Because if they don't fix it soon they'll have to do some really goofy stuff for future CR characters. For example give the weapon it's stupidly low value 19.5% CR sub but then give the 3rd stat a bunch of CR & CD as well. Problem is that's really bad from a F2P or small spender prospective. When the devs have to shove a bunch of stats that would of been a sub stat into your potential ascension stat.

All because they didn't bother to balance it right to begin with.

[smoky quarry]

somewhat accurate actually

i hate arts with bad proportions

[mortal trellis]

oh mb i should've specified, i personally think gear is kinda overtuned compared to weapons, not that weapons should be tuned up to match gear
but then again i get that nerfs in gacha games is frowned upon, so i'd understand if they went with the latter approach

point still stands that there's a gap between the weapon stats and the gear stats, though, that i agree with for sure

[smoky quarry]

Nerfs are hated in gachas, cause this way you kinda scam people who donated their whole heritage already to boost character

right?

[daring dove]

Yeah for me to stop a situation where you have to give every weapon with CR% sub-stat an over-tuned 3rd stat. An by proxy every weapon with an ATK% sub stat an under-tuned 3rd stat if they care about balancing. They should really revisit the CR sub-stat soon otherwise it's just going to cause some really stupid & F2P unfriendly weapons going forward.

[smoky quarry]

Why can't we

[daring dove]

That or the community just default assumes every weapon with a CR sub has far less value.

[smoky quarry]

why can't we have thirdly stat that boosts crit damage in 3rd line

[mortal trellis]

i mean the same can be said for the other way around, it just hurts less i guess
if a character you skipped cause they were weak suddenly became meta, then the character(s) you invested into indirectly gets “nerfed” in a relative sense
ig the strength of the enemies don’t change but i don’t think that really matters since the point is that your decisions would not have been the same in retrospect

[smoky quarry]

now I doubt if I want to level up LR team, cause I skipped tangtang

didn't liked the character, nor I had the pulls

laeva and gilberta drained everything (worth it)

[mortal trellis]

i personally don’t see it as having less value but rather having fewer options for who you can use it on (unless that’s what you mean, i’m not really sure); ofc in GM’s case it’s BiS for chen regardless

[smoky quarry]

i hope li zhiyang won't be disappointment in next patch

[mortal trellis]

i’ll give HG the benefit of the doubt and just choose to wait and see, i’m personally fine with the current state of cr/c dmg tho

[smoky quarry]

(there's a speculation that she's in the next banner alongside mi fu, cause inviting fangyi or spearman into endfield rn makes no sense)

apparently all current event legendaries were personally invited to endfield by endmin

[daring dove]

It is less value though if that second line on that weapon said ATK% instead of CR%, Chen would be hitting 30% harder on average. Any weapon that gets given a CR sub-stat instead of an ATK% sub stat is by default 21-35% weaker, even characters like Yvonne.

They just need to buff CR values that 6* weapons provide to 39% like ATK% to be honest. It's the easiest way to fix this silly situation. CR weapons would still be less valuable than ATK% weapons then. But the difference wouldn't be night & day.

That or make ATK% such a rare stat going forward, that only like anniversary characters get it on their weapons.

[smoky quarry]

hell nah

[mortal trellis]

ah i get what you mean, i still think it doesn’t lose value rather than losing options, though. imo the weapons performance on chen is more than satisfactory, its balanced to be good on reg chars, and (hopefully) great or incredible on crit chars, but we’ll have to wait and see for that.
yvonne is a case that i’m hesitant to judge at face value since she got so many tweaks on launch that i don’t think she’s as polished as she could’ve been. if you had ATK% instead of cr on artzy second stat, id assume yvonne would run something other than slab, which is why i think the gear is what’s overtuned. maybe it’s just me, but the fact that a crit char can have a flex slot because the other slots build enough cr that you can run something like slab (which also needs to have really high scaling to work in this scenario) to achieve higher damages is a flaw in the gear, and potentially in yvonne’s kit for prioritizing cr too much and cdmg too little

[smoky quarry]

usually 1% crit equals to 2% increase in damage in all normal games, but endfield is different somehow

it is 1 to 0.5

[mortal trellis]

oops i textwalled

[chilly bolt]

What did i walk into

[mortal trellis]

i’m… yapping

[smoky quarry]

crit drama 🥀

as shuo would say

[mortal trellis]

i would call it a discussion

just expressing opinions

[smoky quarry]

shuo calls it drama sometimes

[mortal trellis]

smh

[chilly bolt]

Mhmm drama

[mortal trellis]

wait why are you lore banned LMAO

i thought you were just sending enhands emoji

[smoky quarry]

i posted lyrics of starset song in lore channel and said that lyrics fit really well with ak story

you can check my last messages

literally it

[mortal trellis]

did they specify that to you?

[smoky quarry]

most likely the case, albeit still doesn't makes any sense

[mortal trellis]

i haven't gotten warned yet so idk how the formatting looks on the end of the person receiving the hit

[smoky quarry]

there was 3 last messages, and 2 had nothing of meaning

[mortal trellis]

mm lemme look

ik modmails can take up to a day or two to process so its not always the last few messages

[smoky quarry]

more like never, you get punished cause you was caught by mod first-handledly

[mortal trellis]

ive made my fair share of reports

looks like it was bc you were discussing gearing ngl

they were justified ok smh

wait dont get it wrong i wasn't the one who got you shot

[smoky quarry]

i was discussing gear in the context of predicting new character's specifics

still not fair if that's the case

[mortal trellis]

i mean yea

you could always try and dispute it

[daring dove]

It's quite tribal in there I have noticed, plenty of people talking off-topic but because they're apart of the "lore-room click" nothing happens. Newcomer comes in an posts something slightly off-topic at a glance an they report you & you're removed.

[mortal trellis]

it skirts on the edge of misinfo (or misleading info?) and off-topic so idk

[mortal trellis]

ah i recognize those faces

[smoky quarry]

I already sent appeal once, I don't think they like me

[daring dove]

Don't get me wrong, I'm not saying those people should be punished for going slightly off-topic either. Just that we should have equal enforcement of rules.

[smoky quarry]

and they say shakespear is dead

[mortal trellis]

it just lies with the fact that the server doesn't have nearly enough moderation power for its size

the rules make themselves out to be very strict

but unless you get reported or someone doesn't like you, its almost never acted upon

hell, all of us in this chat would've gotten shot by now according to the rules in pins

[smoky quarry]

I see two problems

1. Mods who intervene when they weren't asked to do so
2. Snowflake regulars

[smoky quarry]

This chat should be safe now that skipper decided that mods won't bash anyone here unless reported

and it's monitored only by opal

[mortal trellis]

i personally think mods should at least check in on chats and give verbal warnings if its getting too rowdy, but again they just dont have enough people
the only reports ive made were pretty egregious rule breaks

[mortal trellis]

oh yeah ive seen them from time to time

i really wish they would clarify and/or double down on their rules but alas

[daring dove]

Either way we shouldn't go too much into moderation issues on this chat as it's not intended for that either. I just wanted to point out some imbalances I noticed.

[smoky quarry]

they don't have resources to double down, so I just expect recessions

nobody wants to be discord mod for free nowadays smh

[mortal trellis]

yea true im not in the mood to get shot rn

[icy remnant]

Or they can just slowly overtime introduce stuff that makes crit better or more characters that want crit rate

Attack is only that good cus we don't have much sources for it

Once we get more supports that vomit out attack buffs like we get damage buffs it'll be the same

[smoky quarry]

it's good cause it's separate bracket and it scales others multiplicatively

[icy remnant]

Or gear sets

[wind nebula]

from a design perspective, it always annoyed me that so many games cave to allowing you to get enough crit rate that it's basically guaranteed. the ONE thing that makes it different from other stats and you just remove it by guaranteeing big number. kills the spice, imo

[icy remnant]

Numbers wise Damage and Attack are the same, it's just that we get way more damage now than attack

[daring dove]

To be fair, ATK% is so potent you won't dilute it much until we start reaching values north of 150% ATK buffs for teams.

[smoky quarry]

each separate bracket damage source is very effective. Amp, dmg taken, resistance shred

[icy remnant]

What's to say that can't happen

[mortal trellis]

more critslop hate

[icy remnant]

That's like saying we can't get 150% DMG buffs

But we can

It's just a design choice

[daring dove]

Well sure but if we start getting 150% ATK buffs for teams you'll still seeing every character with a 12-15k ATK stat.

I doubt it'll happen anytime soon.

[icy remnant]

Optimal would be balancing it out

70% attack 70% DMG or whatever

Instead of going all in on attack

That would also be dum

[smoky quarry]

too bad that everything inside brackets are additives, so each multiplicator inside of it comes out less effective in the general picture

[icy remnant]

You'll have 12k attack and doing less damage than someone with 9k

But yea it's all a matter of design choice

They simply wanted to make attack% more attractive right now and dmg% more plentiful

It's very obviously to sell either characters or weapons

Especially the multitude of attack% sigs

[daring dove]

Keep in mind 70% ATK is roughly equal to about 175% DMG just because of how potent ATK% is. There is no getting around the argument ATK% is very over-tuned. Compared to DMG% & CR there is no amount of balancing & tweaking that will resolve that.

[smoky quarry]

to the point where second-line of dps weapon HAS to be attack or it becomes suboptimal

we woudn't use ss if we had six star with atk%

[icy remnant]

They can also very easily flip the script with crit in the future

There's actually no way to know except that for right now this is the stat we want most

[wind nebula]

I think the primary reason for this stat structure is so they can give out tons of "different" bonuses with big number values without them spiking damage like crazy. Majority of players can get the satisfaction of seeing huge + DMG % for different categories while the mathheads can stack ATK

[icy remnant]

Yea it's very nice to sell big numbers

I bet alot of people thought Surtrs Sig was insane

And then everyone wants sigs cus atk% 2nd line

[smoky quarry]

it kinda is

especially considering that you can't build charge set on umbral torch, cause you get 20% dps loss on top of it

[daring dove]

Nope, in no world will 19.5% CR ever be better than 39% ATK. Even on a CR character it's almost impossible to engineer a scenario where the CR sub-stat is more valuable without buffing the amount of CR the weapon provides.

[smoky quarry]

and it's already not great on p0

[icy remnant]

Charge set?

[smoky quarry]

max ult efficiency to get ultimate with 1s1c instead of 2s2c

[icy remnant]

Why would I do that

[smoky quarry]

it's more flexible and has same dps as hotworks on forgeborn

[icy remnant]

Mm

[smoky quarry]

easier to use

[wind nebula]

isn't this only if assuming we never get an external source of crit damage?

[icy remnant]

I mean I already said they can very easily flip the script

But yes of course right now crit is lower value

So assuming they never giga dilute attack% with meta supports and also never release crit dmg sources

[smoky quarry]

20% crit on 9/9 converts to like 10% atk now right?

[icy remnant]

Crit is simply an extra vector we can scale in next time

[daring dove]

I mean sure, if we got a CR set that literally doubles your damage when you crit. CR sub would still be weaker, but not massively so. But this is the type of abusrd situation that you would require to make CR sub better.

[smoky quarry]

Doubt that supports will buff attack, cause devs reserved separate bracket specifically for amps

[icy remnant]

I mean we have Stanza

I don't see why not

[smoky quarry]

that's weapon

it can't apply amp by itself

[wind nebula]

I guess I'm too dumb to understand why each bucket isn't interchangable if the math is similar

[icy remnant]

We will see, it's true they made Amp specifically for supports

But they can choose to do whatever

[smoky quarry]

crit has terrible conversion to attack

[icy remnant]

To sell units

The main thing is right now our crit dmg is 50%

If you get cdmg the math turns more favourable

Because it's a new bracket

And it'll scale the more diluted our buffs are in separate brackets

[wind nebula]

oh I think I was thinking about it wrong. I'm guessing the game's ratio for sub stats ISN'T 2:1 - Crit:ATK

[icy remnant]

We are literally in month 2 so this is when Crit should have the lowest theoretical value

And that should in theory scale up in time

[smoky quarry]

imagine if r*pid ascent actually becomes useful

[daring dove]

It's not that simple though, like I have already said. Even a CR character that had 100% CD or even 150% CD.

Still wants 39% ATK over 19.5% CR.

[icy remnant]

Imagine if we had a support that simply had a team buff for 100% crit dmg
I mean we're just talking about future value

Anything can be possible w power creep

Attack can be diluted dmg can become better or whatever
We have yet to see how they will handle it

[smoky quarry]

they didn't murdered antal for this, right? 😭

Do you think that we will get a pack of new 4-5stars on 2.0?

[icy remnant]

I don’t know but I know I can clear entire Arknights stages with 1 op

Even if it’s optional

[daring dove]

I mean sure anything possible they could design a character that literally does zero damage unless they crit. Then you'd want to CR sub. I'd rather see them just better balance the sub-stats though rather than do turkey design decisions to fix a fundamental sub-stat imbalance. We'll see what happens but rn the imbalance isn't healthy for the game.

[mortal trellis]

i mean thats like saying i can clear non-agony umbral stages with 1 op in endfield

its kinda piss easy

[icy remnant]

I’m talking about OG Arknights

[mortal trellis]

anything harder than like a S stage and youre not soloing it

i know

gen content is known to be piss though

[icy remnant]

[smoky quarry]

you can run around on ardelia and heal yourself

10 minutes for umbral was too generous

make it 4

[icy remnant]

The power creep went so bananas after Chen alter started it

[mortal trellis]

if a stage that can be soloed by ling/raidian/wang or whatever you want to use to stretch the definition of a "solo" with, then its probably not a very hard stage

[smoky quarry]

the young one?

[mortal trellis]

chen the holungday

[icy remnant]

I mained Ling yea
I cleared everything and even did multiple CCs

[wild rose]

Anyone know if Endmin's crystals being consumed MV count as Combo Skill DMG or Arts Reaction damage?

[mortal trellis]

multiple ccs with ling solo... hmmge

[smoky quarry]

it should be akin to shatter

[icy remnant]

I mean I’m no longer playing AK if that’s what ur asking

[smoky quarry]

arts intensity methinks

[mortal trellis]

id assume its cs damage cause it's scaling is listed under the combo skill

maybe its jank tho

[smoky quarry]

it is

[mortal trellis]

fair

[wild rose]

Damn.

[mortal trellis]

nah thats not what im asking, im just pointing out that theres a wide range of difficulties in ak, so saying you can solo a lot of stages isn't very specific

i could say i can solo half of ch1-8 and thats not really impressive, but if you say you can solo BB-S-X CM then i'll raise an eyebrow

[icy remnant]

Anyways thats beside the point

Idk why we went talking about my solos

[fallen cedar]

anyone tested if art intensity build on lifeng any good compared to the swordmancer? Both give stagger+

[smoky quarry]

Lifeng has considerable damage share on the team

[mortal trellis]

i mean you brought it up so i commented on it

[smoky quarry]

ruining his personal damage for arts intensity is suboptimal

[gritty briar]

hmm

well there's also endmin pot too

[mortal trellis]

btw has anyone tried skipping triaggelos phase 2 with a phys team yet?

i decided to pick it up and im curious if there's already info on it

[icy remnant]

Imagine we get Bennett in this game

[smoky quarry]

this ultimate isn't as trash as I thought???

I think upgrades from potentials should be displayed on the main screen

cause I legit forget about them half of the time

[gritty briar]

dude i keep forgetting about random pot buffs

[dry kindle]

its like

4 seconds

[smoky quarry]

i can do it in 3 seconds

[mortal trellis]

anyone know?

[icy remnant]

Why are you saying this like it’s not enough

[smoky quarry]

avywenna battle skill

[daring dove]

Love the 3% ATK buff that Ember provides.

[gritty briar]

i completely forgot about that one

[mortal trellis]

ill assume there's no info on it then

before i go actually try and TL this on endaxis, how viable is this looking?

[daring dove]

I thought it was good until I tested it to be honest. Assuming normal rotations it averages out to about a 2-3% team attack buff.

[icy remnant]

I like the Endmin team attack buffs

[smoky quarry]

3% atk buff results in 3% team dps increase

[icy remnant]

Giga buffed Chen

[smoky quarry]

makes sense

[daring dove]

Yeah, it's nice to have but I was thinking maybe P5 Ember will be 8-9% team buff. Then you realise at most it can have 50% uptime. Then you also realise it's not worth building ult gain on Ember so it becomes even worse.

[smoky quarry]

Antal if he wasn't nerfed

[daring dove]

Still I'm building Ember for the fun of it.

[smoky quarry]

all guardians are frauds

they scam you by stealing progress materials if you decide to invest into them

[icy remnant]

Antal used to buff attack?

[smoky quarry]

he used to be hella potent for electro/heat

wasn't gilberta actually bennet-like?

Huge damage boost after an ult

[icy remnant]

Antal still feels good for me personally but I only used him for Laev

I don’t have a lightning team

[smoky quarry]

li zhiyang please be electro dps

[icy remnant]

Not the obvious Fangyi?

[smoky quarry]

I don't like her attitude

[icy remnant]

As in I can’t see how they release 2 lightning dps b2b

So it’ll probably just be Fangyi

[smoky quarry]

i mean, zhiyang might be sub-dps

like tangtang for yvonne

[icy remnant]

True

[smoky quarry]

and sub-dps can be built into main-dps

[icy remnant]

Ardelia main dps when

[smoky quarry]

someone trimmed rhod on ardelia solo here

her damage is trash though

[fringe dirge]

What's better on Da Pan?

The Yinglung Ult Gain chest that has Agility Strength, but allows you to use Yinglung set while still having another off-piece for ult gain

Or the Swordmancer Chest Piece that has Strength Will, but you're forced to use the Swordmancer set instead

I haven't done the calcs, but the Yinglung feels a bit better

[smoky quarry]

dapan uses aethertech though?

[fringe dirge]

I wanna use two ult gain pieces

There's no ult gain piece on Aethertech

[icy remnant]

Just choose one of these

[fringe dirge]

So swordmancer

[smoky quarry]

gryphline please make dedicated hw set for wulfgard 🙏

[fringe dirge]

Yeah I have that same swordmancer set made

[icy remnant]

“What do you mean he’s not a combustion unit”

Jokes aside that might be for Mifu

[fringe dirge]

Def does not feel good tho tbh

[smoky quarry]

imagine if mi fu deals actual damage with combustion

[fringe dirge]

Imma be real, I don't like the arts intensity builds for Da Pan and prefer the phys dmg

[icy remnant]

I had a fantasy of non stop scaling combustion with heat app

[fringe dirge]

Arts intensity build is better for bossing, but phys damage feels better for everyday play

[smoky quarry]

deep, dark fantasies?

[fringe dirge]

Most things don't live long enough for Da Pan to even hit a combo skill on them anyway

[smoky quarry]

why would you take vuln stack team into overworld where everything dies from a single sneeze anyway

[icy remnant]

Endmin da goat

Skill>skill and you just continue running along collecting stuff

Skill combo combo skill if they’re slightly tanky

[fringe dirge]

Shatter team is kinda goated for overworld

[smoky quarry]

hydrogen bomb vs coughing baby

[fringe dirge]

Love Estella Battle into Alesh battle into combo skill spam

And Alesh ult oneshots overworld mobs with big AoE and restores SP for every kill

[icy remnant]

Endmin and Chen duo is my fav for fluidity
I used to main Laev but now I’m happy I didn’t roll her sig

She’s so clunky needing Ult for everything

[smoky quarry]

just get charge set and have 50% downtime on ult

[icy remnant]

And Ult after the mobs die?

I just want my chest

[smoky quarry]

laeva is good for overworld cause high batk and aoe, idk

[fringe dirge]

Yeah I prefer ults where it's just a big oneshot AoE

I guess Last Rite's is technically that but problem is you need to go through her whole combo to get ult for her

Perlica, Alesh, Tang Tang are nice AoE nuke ults

[icy remnant]

I don’t like ults at all in overworld

Unless maybe for grouping like Lifeng

AoE one shot w crush

[edgy crater]

ow mob already dead from endmin crush

[icy remnant]

Ye I love that

I use Endmin Chen always

[edgy crater]

u just chen chen endmin

[icy remnant]

Even the tanky ones die to skill combo combo skill

Endmin crystal straight up frying them

[smoky quarry]

flexing on lvl60 enemies smh

[outer ermine]

[glass agate]

They are an alt

Check account creation and join date

Main account got lore banned, alt gets the same treatment

[mortal trellis]

oh 🥹

also fancy seeing you here skipper

[glass agate]

I'm always around

[mortal trellis]

fair fair, hope youre having a good time

[glass agate]

Never listen to people who get lore or help banned, there's a reason they get those roles and it's easy to verify by checking their last message in lore or help category

[outer ermine]

[edgy crater]

oh we get help banned?

hifu u done artificing?

[smoky quarry]

You've mixed something up because I have different thing on my main account

and frankly, i can't even use it right now, so this is my main

[dry kindle]

its not just a role? 💀

[frozen tide]

it is just a role

a role that bans them from the channels

[edgy crater]

btw schling, have u calc how good yinglung ulti set on lr?

[outer ermine]

redeem gloves just did

first time ive farmed something other thab essence

[edgy crater]

try with lifeng

no need tap2 except ulti yes yes

[outer ermine]

yall have debt?

[smoky quarry]

40k dollar debt gameplay footage

[outer ermine]

man i have to farm ginseng again

[edgy crater]

back to the farm

pat the yaks too

[outer ermine]

its so shit
ginseng then meat and poop

[edgy crater]

slap surge tower on each fillet area

u just tele to pickup the fillet

[wild rose]

Decided I'd test it.

Test conditions:

• Ardelia level 7 battle skill suscept applied with 3pc Eternal Xiranite
• Chen battle skill level 3, with 2 Slashing Edge stacks.
• Endmin combo skill level 10. Endmin character level 80.
• Tested against the level 70 Effigy elite enemy in the D96 Steel Sample Protocol Space
• Used Endmin combo and then Chen battle skill to consume Endmin's crystals. 0 Vulnerability stacks before using Chen skill to avoid number confusion.

First image: 4979 Chen Battle Skill damage + 11214 Endmin Crystal proc damage. Endmin build for this in image 3, using Swordmancer 3pc set with 55 Arts Intensity, 46% Physical DMG Bonus, 470 Agility, 254 Strength and 3698 ATK.
Second Image: 4979 Chen Battle Skill damage + 8544 Endmin Crystal proc damage. Endmin build for this in image 4 using Aethertech 3pc set with 138 Arts intensity, 0% DMG Bonus, 470 Agility, 254 Strength and 3935 ATK.

Endmin Grand Vision build in 5th image. Stays the same for both tests.
Chen build stays the same, using a un-artificed Swordmancer 3pc set for 46% Physical DMG Bonus, 216 Agility and 143 Strength (0 Arts Intensity), using a level 80 P3 Glorious Memory shown in the 6th Image.

TL;DR + Conclusion: Endmin Crystal consume is pure MV, not considered to be a arts reaction.

[wispy whale]

well thats good to know

how is that physical damage bonus 46% on aethetech?

[odd wren]

Just do it like this xd

[outer ermine]

whel

home now can finally grind after nap, hopefully can go below 16.4

[steel summit]

which is stronger on chen, p4 glorious or p0 rapid?

[terse raptor]

p4 glorious

[wild rose]

... it isn't. My mistake.

Forgot to remove that part for Aethertech in the explanation

[odd wren]

Glorious gonna be really good with yinlung set on

[smoky quarry]

Did I overreacted?

[kindred sorrel]

is swordmancer or xiranite still the optimal gear for p4+ lifeng?

[supple edge]

what kit can I use for Yvonne instead of the generic crit rate one if I have already enough ?

[wispy lark]

No

[cinder oxide]

Bro didnt trade for a week

That's like 6/min sc batt uptime at most to get that far

[odd wren]

Swordmancer

[wild rose]

What gear are you using on Endmin?

[wispy lark]

I just artificed what I want to artifice for now Still buying the buying the catalysts each week though

[cinder oxide]

I meant with outpost but yeah

[wispy lark]

Oh, I've kept my outpost bought out, but I also cheated and used someone elses blueprints. I just didn't want to deal with pipes 😅

[stable oxide]

do we have some calcs on tangtang weapons difference in lr team?

[unreal light]

Sig does increase LR damage
Everything else does not

[stable oxide]

i'm tempted in pulling her's and lr signature and building the ice team but idk, i have p1 tangtang and p1 lr sitting there doing nothing

but tbh i don't even need a third team

• weapon banner is lasting 2 other banners

is gil always better than perlica in lr team or just in aoe also?

[fresh trench]

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/956086681499496448/1484877828913889300/2302.mp4?ex=69bfd3be&is=69be823e&hm=88ad350eeb8a3c8f1954b2741d987ac0589b1c9c7e86681e7d8658c9825bcb08&

2:30 now,i reduce by mere 2 seconds but i learn something new

[daring dove]

Nearly 6400 ATK Tangtang without slab.

Does anyone know her max attack with slab yet?

[summer flicker]

7k2

[daring dove]

So it's a trade-off of 800 ATK for about 55% skill damage bonus hu.

Actually a bit more than that since you're forced to use Bonekusha gloves instead of Mi gloves.

Still at really high investment it's not a bad call.

Will definitely be better for long encounters where you control Tantang, can see it being a bit worse for short encounters where you're just spamming Tangtang skill.

[daring dove]

[fresh trench]

run and gun ardelia

[daring dove]

Cool can you explain why we've created a general-guides channel & locked access to only moderators then & then allowed them to create guides which are not even close to correct.

First set is entirely the wrong pieces.

Except for argubly the gloves.

[glass agate]

Dont add more salt to the wound

It's not my call

And we're working on it

[daring dove]

Fair enough.

[glass agate]

and by we i mean team in charge of guides (not me)

and #general-guides-archive are not actually for operator guide

[drifting quest]

As much as Infographics suck for actual TC purposes it's nice to see them being added for general gameplay, even if the initial release looks a bit flawed

[glass agate]

but for in game guide but posted on the server

i just dont have anywhere else to post them rn thats visible

https://x.com/AKEndfield/status/2020799844705874051
https://x.com/AKEndfield/status/2014291969539723382

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X · Jan 22, 2026, 11:00 AM

also for guides like this made by official

[drifting quest]

Would that sort of stuff not suit #event-guides

[glass agate]

no

#event-guides are for currently running events

#general-guides-archive is for general

stuff

like all the in game tutorial etc

[drifting quest]

I would have assumed event guides is for any events, permanent or ongoing. Permanent stuff can stay there permanently and then ongoing event stuff can be deleted as the events end or whatnot.

Id assume there's beauracracy involved causing issues in making a new channel to separate builds, aic, etc or whatnot

But then general guides would suit the rest (quests, elastic goods trading, etc)

That's what would have been intuitive to me at least, cant comment on others perceptions

[glass agate]

honestly i thought of etchspace and umbral as permanent game mode

correct to second question

correct to third

any more questions and feedback u can put them here #server-news message

[summer flicker]

oh lmao xiranite

[drifting quest]

Oh right

[summer flicker]

i guess that's for ppl who odnt want to bother build tangtang ig

[drifting quest]

Did anything ever come of the modmail like a month ago

[summer flicker]

[glass agate]

nothing

or i missed it

[drifting quest]

Sad

[daring dove]

I was like my day 1 Tangtang build before I'd even managed to unlock the new pieces.

[drifting quest]

Modmail makes it really hard to tell if something is being worked on, not going to be implemented or just not seen

But thats probably more appropriate for #discord-feedback too

[summer flicker]

ye that's like a no new gear build cope

for ppl who want to try tt when immediately when she comes out

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/956086672418832394/1479851358424399995/image0.gif

[glass agate]

ok ive just read the whole thing

but yeah honestly it should be for discord feedback

[forest lily]

theres just not enough time and sp

[glass agate]

anyway one thing that comes to mind is ofc the lack of moderation staff handling Help section

The BIG problem is

Not all mods have access to any previous test version

which means they have no prior endfield knowledge, only og ak knowledge

and for obvious reason only mods like opal who had got beta test access have more data and experience to crunch on

[drifting quest]

Yeah for misinfo sort of purposes that makes sense.

At least recently there's been a lot more arguments that I'd argue can be defused by mods with no technical knowledge too though, which would help as a stopgap in the short term

[glass agate]

and i dont really allow mods who are not too knowledgeable to give advice to avoid misinfo

and most mods are in charge of other lang section

that have its own help section

[drifting quest]

Should be fine for someone to tell people to chill out and move on without taking sides or enforcing a 'correct' take.

But if there's a lack of staff anyway that makes sense too

[glass agate]

so fuck my chud life i guess

[summer flicker]

well, not much ppl will know like all operators

[glass agate]

just ping them

[summer flicker]

[glass agate]

mods react to role ping

they naturally dont have eyes on tc or other help channels in general

mind u this is not the only channel in this server

there's 13 languages category total

each with their own tc, help, aic, and team build channel

[drifting quest]

Ping the role or ping an individual

[glass agate]

do whatever

[drifting quest]

Ive avoided pinging in general so far because I assumed it was a no go to do but if its okay that solves the main issue

[glass agate]

it needs immediate mod attention? ping the role or the active mod from side bar

if its just lowkey troll or suspected alts that needs investigation? send modmail, we will get back within 3 days max, no reply after 3 days means its already dealt with or its irrelevant to server

if its nsfw remarks or innuendo, report with the flag button

[glass agate]

nah mods dont mind ping

[fresh trench]

also update on this,i reduce it down for 4 seconds,it is not much but thats meant it is sub 2:30 for real now it is now 2:26

[glass agate]

pinging mods and trainee role also notify me

only ones u shouldnt ping are staff

i would just straight ban u

this server wont gut u alive for pinging mods as long as u ping for actual troublemaker

[drifting quest]

Just to make sure things are clear

Defusing drama yay or nay

Not inherently rulebreaking but does detract from the channel when it's been going on for a while

[glass agate]

yes

if someone are actively trolling or ragebaiting

ping a mod

i dont want another feedback forum type of fight

i would just help ban the guy who's actively inciting problem

[honest hill]

First time seeing a supervisor in chat

[drifting quest]

Good to know

[glass agate]

Mods are here to maintain the community's health so it doesnt turn into some shithole where elitism runs rampant or blatant misinformation everywhere

[drifting quest]

There's definitely been a bit of both which sucks, but is rarer

[glass agate]

moderators action that you think are bad might not be as bad as you thought

as we strive to be better and just keep the place sane

and we do need more help

the surveys arent filling itself

https://survey.gryphline.com/s/0cdf99da60507b40bfcbd9ea7810bea6

-# ※acceptance not guaranteed

[drifting quest]

Ive moderated discord enough for one life but hopefully some others are interested in help section moderation

[glass agate]

not enough

fill that in so u can put "Community Specialist handling a community with 550,000 members" on ur resume

or something

idk

[drifting quest]

About the size of prior ones I modded for

Too many horror stories

[glass agate]

size doesnt matter

a good team and understanding coworker is what u need

[edgy crater]

turn it into linkedin words

[glass agate]

i can mod a 100 server all i care but if the other mods are absolute buffoon then i would fuck off immediately

[drifting quest]

Yeah beyond the actual content being moderated itself I quit due to general issues with upper management (lmao discord upper management) issues

[daring dove]

Don't make me copy pasta that Tangtang gear guide again.

[drifting quest]

But having to bookmark several international agencies was not good for mental health

Dont need to repeat that

[summer flicker]

[glass agate]

hey that wasnt my call

dont blame me

[edgy crater]

[glass agate]

im just the guy trying to get stuff fixed and running in order

[daring dove]

[summer flicker]

[glass agate]

dw u wont be bookmarking several international agencies

most of the buffons here are either Filipinos or Indonesians

[edgy crater]

insta ez way for getting management title lol

[glass agate]

or some brits trying to stir trouble

[drifting quest]

[glass agate]

oh no need to worry about that

im very understanding

ask tevi

or all the other mods

[edgy crater]

oi

[glass agate]

im not wrong

[edgy crater]

well true

[summer flicker]

[drifting quest]

Accurate stereotyping

[summer flicker]

clueless

[glass agate]

anyway fill that bitch in man

begging on my knees rn

[edgy crater]

[glass agate]

statpad the mod app

[drifting quest]

Maybe

[outer ermine]

hnaf 1m cs isnt enuf i need crit on tt w this speed

like a sliver of hp

[summer flicker]

mi sec tt

https://gifconvert.vxtwitter.com/convert.avif?url=https://video.twimg.com/tweet_video/HCPf4_bbEAEBVSf.mp4

[outer ermine]

i have it on the side lmao

no artif tho

but i already bought that shit

[daring dove]

It's likely got a bad set as long as you're constantly spamming food buffs to boost CR I guess.

[summer flicker]

its a bad set

unless you speedrun

[outer ermine]

do i just double mask on tt in this case or slab still good

[summer flicker]

or something like that

[daring dove]

It's just Tangtang's base CR of 10% with the set is useless but it's 21% with food buffs so it's much easier to stack the set.

An once you get it to 5 stacks you end up with 26% so easier to maintain.

[summer flicker]

cuz spr you dont do 2 combo skill

you uselike half the bonecrusher set

[daring dove]

But yeah totally not worth investing into unless you're running Wedge instead of sig.

[summer flicker]

worth investing for speedrun

other wise just normal setup

[daring dove]

Speed runs with food buffs, unless you like to reset your runs 7000 times.

Some speed runners do though I guess.

[potent hornet]

*remembers attempting White Fatalis Speed runs

[outer ermine]

noo