theorycrafting

[proud vector]

We don’t know the interaction between stealing the inflictions by doing a reaction and the seq2 combo skill tbh

There is a chance it gives you 2 vulns anyways

see - stealing stacks from LR combo skill

[valid palm]

it gives 1, and then 1 per infliction consumed

[proud vector]

…. No?

well no as Shuo said we can’t 100% take the video as proof since there are differences between it and release build but

[valid palm]

Isn't that what they said? I could have sworn it applied 1 and then converted inflictions to vuln

[proud vector]

Nah

It never mentions you get more vuln for more infliction, just that it consumes, and then does a single lift
+1 for QTE

Current running theory is that it just ramps damage

[valid palm]

if it's capped at 2 no matter how many inflictions she consumes she's lame AF lmao

[proud vector]

Damage could be good

As in conversion rate from infliction into damage

[glass birch]

Her combo skill works like Last Rite's combo skill but with the addition of applying up to 2 Vuln stacks

[valid palm]

Damage just makes her strong or weak. Doesn't change whether she's lame or not

[rare zodiac]

but the sp refund on p1 Lae fuck it no?

[proud vector]

Well she has other cool parts

And also if she still gives 2 if you eat no inflictions

That’s actually quite great

[glass birch]

If you can turn the affliction into a reaction before the 2nd part of the combo hits that works

[twilit quail]

p4 breakpoint is already accounting for it

of course if you have p4

you will have p1

[proud vector]

We still don’t know for sure if it works

But if it does it’s not bad

[glass birch]

Thats quite literally how it functions

[proud vector]

We have no visual examples of this

[rare zodiac]

i get 253 with Re chest re seal xira glove Slab

[bronze plume]

does this mean that laev on ult set if having new redeemer piece you dont need all 4 gear being ult gain or is this p4 stuff

[glass birch]

1+ vuln and 1+ infliction are just the requirement for using her combo part 1; part 2 fires off after part 1 hits.

[twilit quail]

p4 only

so who gives a fuck

[glass birch]

Part 2 eats inflictions on hit to increase damage, exactly like Last Rite's Combo

It's the same effect

Only reason Rossi isn't a Striker is due to the fact she can quickly apply 3 stacks of vuln for 100 SP if theres 1 infliction present

Otherwise she'd be a striker

[valid palm]

Nah, it's so she can get ult gain from Gilb 🔥

[proud vector]

Look I agree but until we have her in the release build and can test, hyperglyph can pull a funny on us ok

[glass birch]

They really cant because they've already showcased the character's kit 👀

[proud vector]

We already have confirmation that stuff like ult charge aren’t the same from preview to release

And they never showed the interaction of combo skill without infliction consumed

basically lower thy expectations

They have time yet to screwth up

[glass birch]

again; you can watch the showcase to see the interaction

[proud vector]

Wait got a timestamp?

[glass birch]

Lemme pull it up

[proud vector]

I swear it consumes one every time they showed it

I swear I’m not blind but I could be

[twilit quail]

ok it gets owned by rounding youre 1 energy off

LMAO

gg

shit ass game

[rare zodiac]

see i am not crazy

you lack 2 energy lmao

[glass birch]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=eKTskrTBZxU&t=724s Check @25:38

Combo skill part 1 is a rising kick that damages the enemy. Target still has both 1 infliction and 1 vuln on them.
Combo part 2 (@25:41) is after the dash; target still has both vuln and infliction stacks, then the attack hits and it clears the infliction stacks. This is the same function as Last Rite's combo skill where it only clears inflictions on hits and you can clear inflictions before the hit, albeit to a detriment to the combo skill's damage. But that's the only difference.

Infliction cleared upon hit of the 2nd attack; not when starting the 2nd attack

The applied vuln is from part 1 (Always) and part 2 upon perfect timing. It's not tied at all to consuming inflictions

[twilit quail]

ok after thinking about it

I cant think of like a single scenario

where sp refund in current state is actually desirable

I love this game

[glass birch]

More skills really. You can use more skills for the same SP cost so it's just a damage increase over a longer period of time

[twilit quail]

tangtang would also be improved with no sp refund

ok so you see the thing with that is that this is only possible when the refund is like

half or more of a bar

and even then

the reduced ult gain is so substantial

and when most aer like

15%

20%

it just becomes purely detrimental

[rare zodiac]

refund fuk with ult gain too much

[twilit quail]

I literally cant think of a single scenario

where removing the refund

would not at least be net neutral if not strictly beneficial

you fuck with the entire team

by having refund

[rare zodiac]

if i can just turn Lae p1 off

it would have been peak

[glass birch]

How much Ult gain are you actually losing per point?

w/ like base 100% Uge

[twilit quail]

proportional to how much was refunded?

[bronze plume]

guys chen voices tangtang

[twilit quail]

already many cases of this happening

wulfgard needs like 7 more artifice

[rare zodiac]

30% refund mean 30% ult gain loss on the next skill

[twilit quail]

if you have lae p1

it's so vile

[pure spoke]

Mi fu when

[twilit quail]

strictly detrimental

[bronze plume]

nah bro they have the most comedic names of voice actors

tf you mean the voice of the sheeps last name is sheppard

[twilit quail]

whatever Im gonna use this

[bronze plume]

the slab got even you? 🥀

[twilit quail]

it's good for non speedrun at 5+5

[bronze plume]

damn even the whales got you

[twilit quail]

because my weapon has 255 dmg% on it

[glass birch]

🐳 P5 sword tho

[rare zodiac]

the 2 slab is surprisingly good

[glass birch]

lol

[twilit quail]

it's not that bad at p0 either

[rare zodiac]

at p5p5

[twilit quail]

like objectively

it's alright

it's way better than whatever the fuck tide is now

rip cbt tide

[rare zodiac]

for me supercharge is just more fun, 3 skill and i am back baby

[glass birch]

Honestly; effect wise Lae has the worst 3rd stat on her weapon. Especially when her kit's built around getting ult; then using the ult enhanced BS skill. If it was just Heat DMG% after using ult it'd be way better imo

[twilit quail]

even with hot work

ult autos are more than 60% of dmg in ult

even with sweaty 4 ebs timeline

the value of hot work is 50 dmg%

[rare zodiac]

wdym BA is most of Lae dmg

[twilit quail]

more than the battle skill dmg%

[glass birch]

Is it though?

[twilit quail]

yeah

[rare zodiac]

with out dmg% 1 EBS is just 1.6 of 1 BA chain

[twilit quail]

we've known this for like

forever

[rare zodiac]

if factor in FB dmg% EBS is just weaker BA at high pot

[twilit quail]

like if you are doing fucking

1 ebs in ult

which is what the average person is probably doing

that's like what

15% of your dmg

at most

I mean I dont know, maybe the average player should just use slab and do 0 ebs in ult

and that will be better than trying to optimise

I dont know what the average person's gameplay is like

[gritty olive]

i cant do more than 1 ebs in ult

i just spam normals and one ebs and call it a day

[open hare]

Raizer is gay

[gritty olive]

the moment i get my ult i just yolo the fuck out of it

[rare zodiac]

in my Lae Wulf Per Arde team i even sacrifice 1 EBS to just electrification 4

[rare zodiac]

hi miku tan

[twilit quail]

the sweaty 4 ebs timeline can only do 4 because we need to have buffs up

having buffs up >>> doing more EBS

[open hare]

No more pants for you

[twilit quail]

if we really pushed the number of EBS we do

without caring for damage

we can do 8

but that's useless

it does less damage than doing autos with buffs up

[gritty olive]

hey im just pretty casual for now in endfield

dont fix whats not broken

https://tenor.com/view/surtr-arknights-gif-26988570

[rare zodiac]

it will go off anyways with you around

[thorny pike]

This is why I don’t check the chats 😭😂

[twilit quail]

ok well they better add

hands with single stat and ult%

next patch

🙂

so I can recoup my inconsequential resource losses slightly

[rare zodiac]

man i would love some Int ult gain HW kit

so that i can have a set and not homeless

[twilit quail]

imagine how good wulfgard would be

with str ult gain seal

[smoky quarry]

why redeemer stuff just doesn't uses "Main attribute" thing instead of a random one

It's either hit or miss

[glass birch]

8 EBS in 15 seconds?

[gritty olive]

play the waiting game for now

[valid zealot]

500 redeemer seal.

[gritty briar]

Kinda curious if there are any cool 4 star only clears yet. Anyone know how to search bili?

[twilit quail]

ebs and combo pause the timer

and with ult anims

[rare zodiac]

nah just abuse time stop of EBS and CS

[twilit quail]

doing 8 ebs lae can stay in "ult" for like 90 seconds

because the timer is frozen constantly

[rare zodiac]

yeah more like 90s ult

[twilit quail]

lae combo cd is 9s

so we can use it constantly

[gritty olive]

oh shit i did m3 the correct ability

im a genius

[twilit quail]

it's not relevant for normal gameplay

the cd reduction

[gritty olive]

yeah i like the option to do sweaty gameplay

[twilit quail]

well i guess 4 ebs does fall under normal gameplay baecuse it's practical and good

[gritty olive]

like i did s1m3 silverash for is5

[gritty olive]

anyways how does that work

[dry kindle]

With a lot of ult charge

[twilit quail]

so you have wulfgard with a million ult gain

[gritty olive]

i usually ungabunga everything, so when i get my ult from the 2nd magmastack collection, i just ult immediately so i can only probably muster one evs

[twilit quail]

he gets ult in 2 combo 2 team skill

[gritty olive]

p5 required? i have it

[dry kindle]

Yes

[twilit quail]

he uses a set like this

[valid palm]

I mean, Catcher solo clears exist so it's definitely doable with a full team of 4 stars

But I doubt any would be 'cool'

[twilit quail]

and an OBJ with 8 or 9 pips in ult gain line

so he can have 241%

[gritty olive]

i have 2 redeemer seals due to laev. does rhat work

[dry kindle]

P0 laev only needs 5 or whatever

[gritty olive]

i dont have obj gun

[twilit quail]

when he does cs > ult > cs

[gritty briar]

I just wanna see if anyone else has tried 4 star only speedruns

[dry kindle]

😃

[valid palm]

The only theoretical synergy is like a Catcher/Estella physical comp but there's no payoff for it

[twilit quail]

he gains energy from both combos

after the ult is done

[dry kindle]

The fuck you mean you dont

[twilit quail]

so you do 2 team skills afterwards and his ult is ready

[dry kindle]

Its part of the pinboard missions

[glass birch]

At least theres someone else who knows about this

[twilit quail]

so you just do that infinitely and make a million free stacks

while activating lae qte off cd

[gaunt mason]

if there’s none on youtube try 终末地z7 on bili, i remember seeing some

[glass birch]

I keep getting called crazy when I tell people you can do that at P5 wulf

[gritty briar]

I mean i play it so i know.
I just want to see what other people have done for comparison

[twilit quail]

while lae is stuck in animations you use antal to do autos

to gain SP and stagger

cause his heavy does 30 stagger

and then finisher with him as well if you can, to again gain SP

[rare zodiac]

doesn't we have said it is possible before?

[twilit quail]

dude

[gritty olive]

oh actually i have two

[twilit quail]

if help or team build user is telling you you cant do this

just like

report them

straight up

🙂

it's literal misinfo

[gritty briar]

oh thanks

[dry kindle]

Didn't they fix antal final

[valid palm]

didn't that get fixed a couple weeks ago

[twilit quail]

did they in 1.1

if it wasnt fixed in 1.1 then no

[glass birch]

Also Antal's final strike does 15 stagger

[twilit quail]

all the way up until very recently

it applied 30 in practice

cause it did it twice

[gaunt mason]

they fixed it on the 27th iirc

[twilit quail]

this has been in the game ever since antal was first implemented in beta

[rare zodiac]

it's fix on 27/2

[glass birch]

OH?

[twilit quail]

ok

cool

that's kind of a shame

but for almost entirety of 1.0(and the beta as well)

[smoky quarry]

not cool actually

[twilit quail]

it did this

[dry kindle]

Gg

[rare zodiac]

yeah it was fun while it last

[dry kindle]

Still antal

[smoky quarry]

devs buff antal 💔

[dry kindle]

🗿

[glass birch]

I was legit about to get on to try that out

[twilit quail]

he still apply 3 stack for 1 bar

so he remains employed

[dry kindle]

Still better than fluorite

[twilit quail]

🥰

[dry kindle]

My 12f

[gritty olive]

@twilit quail can i see vid demonstration

[glass birch]

3?

[smoky quarry]

What this means? 12 years old female?

[gritty olive]

no

[gaunt mason]

what

[gritty olive]

thats lowlights fursona in arknights

[valid palm]

.>

[twilit quail]

https://www.vxbilibili.com/video/BV1rAFaz6Ekf/

[smoky quarry]

oh, same thing

[twilit quail]

video that started it all

[gritty olive]

where have i seen this

peak title

[valid palm]

bro why does his jaw look so fucking WEIRD

[gritty olive]

savra = lizard race

shit happens

[bronze plume]

12f has so much drip

[valid palm]

Bro's underbitemaxxing

[glass birch]

Ah cause of timestops I gotcha now

[dry kindle]

A bit of timestopping

[twilit quail]

welcome back pgr

[gritty olive]

is antal required

i can build him

[twilit quail]

yeah

ok so

dont see this video

[gritty olive]

go on

[twilit quail]

and then go running to build what's in it

[gritty olive]

yeah sure

[gritty briar]

oh wtf one of the bili clears with z7 team bench fluorite and use akekuri dps

[twilit quail]

especially if you dont fucking

[gritty briar]

crazy

[twilit quail]

have the shit raised already

cause it's a lot

[dry kindle]

[twilit quail]

just play normally

[gritty olive]

i bought bp so i can raise stuff

i have 2 million lmd anyways

[bronze plume]

i just realized we got our first legendary defense tower

[glass birch]

Looks like a lot

[dry kindle]

That's 1 unit

[gritty olive]

im willing

[bronze plume]

good enuf welcome back ifrit

[twilit quail]

not even 1 unit

lmao

[gritty olive]

im willing to try for fun

[dry kindle]

Nah 1 unit is like

1.7m

Isnt it

[gritty briar]

dps akekuri is pure insanity to me
She has like actually nothing for herself right?

[gritty olive]

whats the hard requirements?

[gritty briar]

maybe this guy just really likes her

[dry kindle]

Wulf charge

[twilit quail]

wait hang on

[glass birch]

Speaking of wulf charge; I still need to get my OBJ essence etched before rossi comes out

[twilit quail]

with new gear

full artifice and gil in team

can you bring clannibal

eat ult gain food for wulf

[glass birch]

Theres not much of a diff

[twilit quail]

and make the breakpoint?

[glass birch]

.

Maybe?

I didnt think of UGE food

[dry kindle]

Ewwwww

[twilit quail]

gil gives 12%

[dry kindle]

Also yeah

Probably if p0 laev

[twilit quail]

the food is like 24%?

[dry kindle]

Isnt that p3

[twilit quail]

I have p5

[dry kindle]

Oh fuckin food

[gritty olive]

im gonna m12 rossi on release

[gritty olive]

so yeah i might need to cut corners

[twilit quail]

double slab gil is prettyg ood man

I gotta say

[dry kindle]

Ok MF

I hope they add a redeemer slab just to fuck with you

[twilit quail]

what, with 1% more main attribute?

[fresh trench]

is there anyway i can cancel ardelia ult?

[twilit quail]

if it had main attribute% no matter what main att it actually has

it would be useful

artificing costs nothing

[glass birch]

Whats the breakpoint Wulf needs to hit w/ 2 team skill + 2 combo skill for ult?

[twilit quail]

so idc about any losses there

232.5 for p0 lae

241.4 with p1

something like that

idr the decimal

[gritty briar]

Okay actually it is still just a thermite cutter/frontiers build
It just happens to have a lot of investment so the basics hit harder than i'm used to

kinda funny to see

[dry kindle]

Just get max cd

• 5 dots on obj

Iirc

[twilit quail]

if you have p1 lae

you need to crank everything to max

full artifice 9 pips

[dry kindle]

Isnt it 8

[twilit quail]

have fun

[dry kindle]

Idr

[glass birch]

You end up like 0.5% short

[dry kindle]

Still illness

[twilit quail]

need all

[dry kindle]

Gg

Surely redeemer chest let's you do 8

[twilit quail]

no

[dry kindle]

Aight

[twilit quail]

like this game

[dry kindle]

Kill whoever invented returned sp

[twilit quail]

it's so bad man

[rare zodiac]

Fuk sp return

[twilit quail]

or just add gil to your team

and problem is solved

xd

[glass birch]

Yeah w/ Gil + Redeemer chest + UGE food you end up a total of 0.4% below just using Obj.

[rare zodiac]

It fuk with so many of my Lae build

That crazy

[twilit quail]

it's such dogshit

everywhere I go

it chases me down

endmin would be a better unit

without that pot

literal

[dry kindle]

Just detonate with ult

[twilit quail]

5% team dmg increase

if that pot didnt exist

it's so crazy bro

[dry kindle]

😃

[twilit quail]

absolutely vile mechanic

bumass fuckin game

today I will lose energy to gain, like, nothing in return

and acquire a net loss in damage

[rare zodiac]

When i see sp return on Soup I already lose half of my will to tc her

[glass birch]

I just skipped Soup entirely for Rossi

[twilit quail]

I will give rossi 5+5 if she is good

just to encourage hg to keep making mixed unit

tangtang? I hardly know her

[glass birch]

I just hope her buff from combo skill is good and it has a decent multi

[bronze plume]

mixed is cool its just how long until they get good units to help them

[twilit quail]

it's just that we might have to raise da pan

for rossi

[glass birch]

the combo skill's buff is CR and CD which would be so nice for her ult; which has higher CD as is

[twilit quail]

which some people might not like

[bronze plume]

shoulda got a heat/phys 5 star in 1.1 bro

[twilit quail]

da pan looks good over there rn

[bronze plume]

why is the panda looking good for da rossi

[twilit quail]

ok so

the vuln stacks are going to be built up

the issue then is how we can use them effectively

[leaden pewter]

What gear does Yvonne use? Does anyone have an image

[dry kindle]

Pins

[bronze plume]

granted i want

[twilit quail]

pog can do it but breach is completely afk here

[bronze plume]

a vanguard minimum i aint making a team without no vanguard

so imma defo have ake

[twilit quail]

we have rossi(who is at least in some significant portion fire dmg)

gil

[bronze plume]

is gil just a

mandatory slot in for rossi

gilberta is Ms. Worldwide

[glass birch]

I mean, if you're using Gil and focussing on fire you wouldnt want breach

[rare zodiac]

Ake could be ok i guess, if Rossi dmg is primary ult

[bronze plume]

if only angelina could see this

[twilit quail]

so we have 1 last slot

and breach is pretty mcuh dead

so then we should use crush, right

[glass birch]

Breach would be more so if you're opting for Ardelia instead of gil

[twilit quail]

endmin can do it

however

the nefarious

sp refund

[dry kindle]

Just ult detonate

[bronze plume]

just wait for her combustion on enemy dmg multipler to be like

[twilit quail]

not even gil can save the team from SP refund fucking things

without p3 on her

[bronze plume]

1k% for 0 reason to try force the wulfgard + rossi

[twilit quail]

and also rossi will fight with endmin for crystals(lmao)

[glass birch]

its every crit. As long as theres no cooldown timer on it (Looking at you Fluorite P5....) Then we should be golden

[twilit quail]

so you need to offset the two combos

and use lifeng combo to trigger endmin combo

which is a

vile thought

so endmin is icky

[bronze plume]

rossi

rossi have good numbers please i need this

[twilit quail]

basically there are a few particular problems

1 is the bonus hit from the talent

that applies the dot

[bronze plume]

dapan uses the vuln stacks that rossi makes for his dmg right (i have no idea how physical works)

[twilit quail]

and the second is the other talent(funny how that works)

which needs enemy to be burning

the third is that 2nd hit of combo eats the stacks on the enemy

and then she has a self buff

that is tied to eating the stacks

[glass birch]

Doesnt need the enemy to be burning; they just need to have the dot applied from talent 1. Combustion just makes the extra hits from crits do more dmg and heal rossi more

[bronze plume]

why did they decide to give her some goofy dot mechanic

[twilit quail]

well we want the damage

so we need the enemy

to be burning

yes?

anyway

because we need to maintain this self buff from teh combo

for the ult

WHILE the enemy is burning

we cant ever use rossi's burn for herself

[bronze plume]

what kinda cooldown are we looking for on her combo

[rare zodiac]

So we kinda have to do all that shit in the span of 10s?

[gritty olive]

iana what are the hard requiements for the laev combo

[twilit quail]

so we can like stitch together a "dream" combo for this character with some prereqs

we need a guy to apply vuln stacks in the opener
another guy to apply a stacks of element for her combo self buff
another guy to burn the enemy

[glass birch]

Around 10s; 13s if from first press since the cooldown is reset to do the 2nd part.

[twilit quail]

anyway

rossi does have a few interesting things

that can help us with this

her bs and cs are both two parts

and both parts gain ult

and so it's quite likely that she wont need any ult gain

[glass birch]

So the buff her combo skill applies isnt tied to eating stacks

its just on use she gains a crit rate and crit dmg buff

[rare zodiac]

We aren’t sure about that yet

[glass birch]

Watch the dev log

[rare zodiac]

Well it only have stack eaten one

Not a non stack eaten

[glass birch]

'

The highlighted buff icon is the crit rate and crit damage buff

it's on use; not on hit which means its not tied to eatting infliction

[twilit quail]

ok right

makes no difference because someone else still has to apply the stack in the first place

[rare zodiac]

[twilit quail]

and so we end up with like

three comps we can generally think of playing

well, two

one of them looks really shit

[rare zodiac]

Well but we can abuse it to use less stack, like apply nature with gilb and use heat later for combustion before triggering Rossi CS

[twilit quail]

rossi gil wulfgard da pan
rossi wulfgard ake antal(poverty)

because we our overall gains from using the vuln stacks and eating them are not going to be that high

[glass birch]

Only downside to this; if you can call it that; is that her combo skill functions like Last Rite's. The 2nd hit will do less damage if it doesnt eat any inflictions

[twilit quail]

just leaving them on the enemy

is not that great of a loss

and so with only gil and rossi we can just slot 2 4*s

and it will actually work

[twilit quail]

hard to say if this will be worth it

oh wait hang on

rossi lifeng ake da pan

sounds kind of real

wait this sounds kind of good

[rare zodiac]

Yea without numbers this is just feelscrafting with some info

[idle eagle]

is it ever worth getting both whirlpools up for tangtang

[rare zodiac]

Yeah? Better susc anyway

[idle eagle]

alrigh

[twilit quail]

I just want to see like

how the multipliers are skewed

because the comps are kinda all ready it just depends on how the multipliers are weighed

[glass birch]

That and how effective her buffs are

[twilit quail]

my read is that the "majority of damage is in ult"

is not going to stay true

[glass birch]

I feel like that statement is because her whole kit builds up to her ult

[twilit quail]

regardless of the reasons

they said what they said

[gritty briar]

surely they wouldn't leave her physical damage neglible if they're labeling her a phys unit right?
they wouldn't ember us again...

[twilit quail]

If theyre feeling cruel they load it more into magic dmg

[glass birch]

her BS SEQ2 puts a dot on a target
Talent 1 applies Phys/Heat damage Taken debuff on target w/ clawmarks
Talent 2 provides extra hits whenever rossi crits
Combo skill increases CR and CD
Ult has higher base CD; so crits are what you want to build for resulting in more hits from talent 2 for more damage

[twilit quail]

if theyre a bit nicer they split it more evenly

cause if it's more even

eyja becomes better

still going to be worse than gil but comparatively less bad

[rare zodiac]

If her dmg is 50/50 the team cooking will be fun

Like wtf am i gonna do with this unit

[glass birch]

Not to mention they added a MI Sec set that'd be perfect for Rossi and has Ult dmg% on the gloves and Uge on the chest

Just run either 2 CR kits or 1 CR kit and 1 Slab like Yvonne

[twilit quail]

stanza might return

again

to be better than gil sig

depending on the damage split

[open hare]

Priestess when

[twilit quail]

fucking stanza

[potent hornet]

its too good

[twilit quail]

or or or, ok

rossi's weapon has an ability that applise a stack

and it just blows everything out of the water

that would be fucking hilarious

i hope they do it

[glass birch]

or a potential that modifies her BS seq 2 to apply 1 heat infliction

[twilit quail]

then everyone would cry

[rare zodiac]

Nah that would be crazy, surely HG doesn’t cook weird shit that soon

[glass birch]

[twilit quail]

MIHOYO POTENTIAL

[glass birch]

We already have stuff like Gil Pot2; where it increases how much Suscept her ult applies per vuln stack and counts +1 to the current count

[twilit quail]

that's just numbers

[rare zodiac]

I mean it’s still just raw stat increases

Not a whole new play style

[twilit quail]

it's still very funny that they hide the weapon away

[sleek lark]

how much ER does tang tang needs to hit the first ult breakpoint?

[rare zodiac]

Depends

How much BS, CS?

[glass birch]

I kinda wish they'd show off rossi's numbers and weapon already

[sleek lark]

3 cs 2 bs ig

[rare zodiac]

They hide her stat more carefully that cat hide shit

[normal tangle]

they're not showing us anything until her banner i bet

[rare zodiac]

P0 I assume?

[sleek lark]

yeah

[glass birch]

if anything it'll be a few days before where they'll drop it on the twitter feed like they did with Soup

[rare zodiac]

Wait, BS of the whole team, we benefited from all BS

[normal tangle]

they didn't drop anything with soup

why did it reply to that message

whatever

[glass birch]

They dropped her weapon effects the day before her banner

[normal tangle]

anyway the only drip we got from soup was literally during maintenance period

[glass birch]

well, day of

[rare zodiac]

Your whole rot use only 2 BS?

[gritty briar]

Are you not considering that BS is global, or do you actually mean you're only getting 2 battle skills from the entire team in the time it takes for tangtang to do 3 combo skills?

[glass birch]

was 12 hours before maintenance

[sleek lark]

sorry i meant 4 cs 2 bs

[glass birch]

6AM EDT the stats for Soup's weapon dropped, servers went down 6PM EDT

[rare zodiac]

You know that BS regen ult for all char right? So other BS count

[sleek lark]

oh

[chilly bolt]

Hmm ok so after a bit of fucking around with lr xaihi tang gil i find that gil never gets her combo up

[sleek lark]

this then

[glass birch]

Well duh. No reactions to procc off of

[gritty briar]

also gonna have to account for sp refund

[chilly bolt]

So yeah just use perlica

[twilit quail]

fucking piece of shit sp refund

[summer flicker]

[sleek lark]

sp refund makes u not get energy?

[rare zodiac]

Ah god sp refund again

Lord have mercy

[summer flicker]

your next skill give less energy

[leaden pewter]

Does laev use hot work gauntlets normal or t1?

[summer flicker]

if you refund 50 sp, next skill give 0.5*6.5 energy

[glass birch]

Essentially for every point of SP refund; you get that much less ult energy from the next skill

[gritty olive]

normal

the one with int main and str sub whatever that is

[sleek lark]

...but why tho

[rare zodiac]

Yes, question that shit, who tf cook up that thing

[twilit quail]

designers wanted to have a bit of fun

[sleek lark]

is this suboptimal? i dont have anyone with this set

[twilit quail]

oh god he doesnt know

[sleek lark]

what

[twilit quail]

sp refund does not give you the ult energy

nor does it count as recovering SP

she cannot activate the damage buffing effect

she can only use combo cd reduction

[gritty briar]

set bonus wont activate

[noble tapir]

My caster can’t proc thermite! D:

[twilit quail]

dude

[rare zodiac]

Well at least he haven’t artifice it

[twilit quail]

if they made a new vanguard with any weapon type that isnt 1h sword

that would be nefarious

[sleek lark]

bruuuuuuh

[rare zodiac]

Still room to go back without to much regret

[twilit quail]

you'd just have to pull their sig beacuse there's no thermite there's not even an obj

[noble tapir]

Yeah lmfao

[sleek lark]

what about weapons

[rare zodiac]

Art unit vanguard will be goat

[twilit quail]

lizhiyan polearm vg

coming right up

[rare zodiac]

Stanza stock rise

[twilit quail]

dude imagine

[gritty briar]

I wonder if they're gonna add more standard weapons at some point. We didn't get any for 1.1 right?

[rare zodiac]

Wedge is ok i guess, she just doesn’t have any good alternatives from Sig

[smoky quarry]

can't scam peasants with standard weapons

[twilit quail]

bp gun is not that bad

[main nova]

me collecting all stanza

[twilit quail]

but bp also has the sword this season

and oh man

ooh

that sword

https://tenor.com/view/majima-goro-majima-holy-shit-majima-goro-mad-dog-of-shimano-gif-17991580

[smoky quarry]

the dmg difference is 8-12%

[rare zodiac]

Would it be cool if we have some wep like favonious from GI here

Energy for team wep would be crack

[twilit quail]

promotion from xiranite ult slave

to xiranite ult slave

[rare zodiac]

Better Xiranite ult slave

[twilit quail]

they do gotta just make more units like rossi though

[chilly bolt]

Thoughts on xiranite set on tang in lr team? My guess is i would lose too much of tang dmg herself than what i get from the set effect

[rare zodiac]

Then Lae ult gain slab can be fully realized

[twilit quail]

xiranite tt is usable but it's like

mostly poverty

cause our damage units are both omega overloaded

in dmg% already

if we another unit that did dmg

maybe it is better

[chilly bolt]

[twilit quail]

if only it was still old xiranite

[gritty briar]

what did it used to do?

[twilit quail]

atk%

same for frontier

[gritty briar]

wtf

[twilit quail]

extra thermite cutter

yeah lol

well, frontier is still a way shittier set overall

and even back then xiranite was way stronger

frontier was carried by akekuri

with cheap ult and infinite sp

[gritty briar]

she had a cheap ult?

[rare zodiac]

Used to be 90

[twilit quail]

way cheaper than live

[gritty briar]

oh wow

[smoky quarry]

120 points for ult that deals no damage, applies no inflictions, doesn't even regens full bar, and has buff that applies to a singular instance of a skill

It was perfect the way it was

[rare zodiac]

Well tbh it was crack af

[chilly bolt]

Hg said 4* cant be good

[twilit quail]

it gave you 300 sp

[smoky quarry]

Then don't make 4 stars goddammit

[twilit quail]

it was a little too good

[sleek lark]

even so isnt the combo CD good cuz it speeds up rotations?

[smoky quarry]

I like how lifeng gives link on one of the easiest combo conditions just cause he's 6 star

and he can do that

[rare zodiac]

Ko ko dayo flash back

[twilit quail]

it's usable but doesnt look better than alternatives

currently

[smoky quarry]

[smoky quarry]

You lose the bonekrusha effect to reduce cd by 1-1.5 seconds

weird tradeoff

[rare zodiac]

It’s usable, but soup is more of a subdps than a buffer/debuffer

[sleek lark]

the best one is bonecrusha using the new red stuff?

soup?

[smoky quarry]

tangtang is soupsoup

or tang in power of two

[sleek lark]

so without her sig weapon shes kinda cooked

[smoky quarry]

tang²

[sleek lark]

ig ill have to swipe

[glass birch]

Soup Squared

[smoky quarry]

Her sig is irreplaceable if you want her to do some minimal support

just like khrav is irreplaceable to actually deal damage on LR

[sleek lark]

it feels so awful pulling a character that wants its sig early

[gritty briar]

just be lucky again and get the sig instantly!

[potent hornet]

welp, ended up P5ing sundered prince

[smoky quarry]

you need to pull a character two times to afford his signature btw

absolute scam

I think it would be totally valid if devs gifted you 1 arsenal issue for pulling a legendary

It just makes sense

[gritty briar]

ngl it's kinda tempting for me to just pull 60 times on the banners just for arsenal currency, even though i don't really want anyone

it just feels kinda miserable knowing that i wont get any arsenal income for a while because i just don't want any of the upcoming characters

[smoky quarry]

Free designator in standard tier is waiting for you

[smoky quarry]

Cope that devs will bring back that cbt event with arsenal tokens

[timber harness]

That would require them to not make such a convoluted gacha just to hide how scummy it is in the first place

Everyone knows the rules

[gritty briar]

I mean it doesn't really do a good job of hiding how much gacha actually sucks because it feels like it sucks to most people

[smoky quarry]

no guarantee carryover

shitty arsenal

zero feedback addressed

gacha at its peak

[timber harness]

You say this as I see people praise this as an amazing f2p friendly "game first" gacha

[gritty briar]

gachas should feel good to hide the fact that spending $150 or grinding dailies for a month to guarantee a character in a video game would be unacceptable in literally any other genre

[smoky quarry]

they be doing anything but reacting to free rewards and premium content complaints

[gritty briar]

the gambling thrill is supposed to mask the bs

[odd wren]

Lmao if this happens i'll shit bricks

[timber harness]

Idk with how hypergryph is they managed to create a gacha structure that is worse than the default japanese gacha structure.

japanese gacha. And those gachas are fucking horrible with their practices

[smoky quarry]

I just ran a quick calc and figured that you need 1.2 grands for a signature P5. Absolutely delusional amount of money to spend into singular game

[timber harness]

Wdym? Your weapon will hit a lot harder at p5.

That's amazing value

W hypergryph

[odd wren]

I spent around 800 for p5 gv

[chilly bolt]

Hg did well with arknights gacha, idk what happened to endfield

[gritty briar]

people cope that it's at least better than the other horrible 3d gachas
which i think is true, but those games are bad enough for me to quit so i don't consider them valuable enough for comparison

[odd wren]

Got p5 yvonne on the process

[smoky quarry]

Cause you got lucky. The odds are 25/75 on non-guarantee

[gritty olive]

this is just different fomo

[smoky quarry]

and luck isn't argument

[odd wren]

Nah i was super unlucky i got it only thru boxes and last dupe was from 7th yvonne dupe

[chilly bolt]

I mean for release, you're guaranteed 2 limited, and for this patch you get 80 pulls total so that's still something i suppose?

[smoky quarry]

Oh, grand vision

[odd wren]

Using purple token

[smoky quarry]

the one that rotates weekly

for what

[timber harness]

https://tenor.com/view/player-friendly-w-wuwa-genshin-impact-mihoyo-gif-10800357899974598288

[odd wren]

To cure my itchiness

[smoky quarry]

Sales division, that's what happened

[odd wren]

[smoky quarry]

Endfield team has nothing to do with arknights team

Sometimes I like to dream about a world that's not focused on profits

[timber harness]

Both games are cope compared to a lot of other gachas anyway

[smoky quarry]

[timber harness]

Its just if youre in the hg echo chamber youll find it amazing

Then i barely log onto other gachas and guarantee every single unit with spillover

[gritty briar]

idk it's pretty easy to get everything in arknights if you pull for limited only, just cause of how easily you get standards with gold certs and recruits existing

[smoky quarry]

I should have entered zzz club when the game started, was planning to do so

[mystic halo]

not in this channel

[smoky quarry]

Turns out it's not a bad game

[odd wren]

[main nova]

gacha is gacha but the economy is bad

[smoky quarry]

Copy that in #endfield and see how quickly HG fans will eat you alive

People from this channel are the ones who actually play the game on daily basis, no better place to discuss

[main nova]

its almost as bad as fgo if you count their reward vs the ability to pull something in endfiled

[mystic halo]

what?

I dont care

this is not a discussion for this channel

[gritty olive]

opal is implying that gacha discussion isnt necessarily #theorycrafting

[timber harness]

You're not a tank, why are you trying to taunt the jannie

[smoky quarry]

We had this talk with skipper, didn't we?

[odd wren]

[gritty olive]

maybe #gaming i guess

[main nova]

eh theorycrafting used to count theory behind the economy

[smoky quarry]

As long as no one complaints, minor offtopic should be fine

[gritty olive]

barren

[eternal sluice]

have the tangtang theorycrafters returned with news

[gritty olive]

minor offtopic being the last 50 messages before opal chatted here

[main nova]

[gritty olive]

😭 🙏

[timber harness]

I mean its still going isnt it

Here lets tc how tang squared is useable again

[mystic halo]

what do you think this is going to invite

when a randomly selected passerby looks at this channel

[smoky quarry]

uhhh, no info on rossi yet

apparently she's not in the game files

[odd wren]

[mystic halo]

and sees an inflammatory(intentional or not) message

the channel is generally relaxed yes but when this is the discussion

no

[smoky quarry]

I like how every opinion hotter than lukewarm is called inflammatory nowadays

[timber harness]

Unfortunately

[timber harness]

Its just typical official server stuff. Is what it is

[gritty briar]

well anyways
what's considered the strongest estella dps gear? Just looking for ideas to consider.
Assume a rotation would include 2x combo skills, a 4 stack shatter and 1 stack shatter, and an ult

[proud vector]

a mod

[smoky quarry]

where is estella damage anyway? Ult?

[proud vector]

in this forsaken land?

[twilit quail]

it's like

[gritty briar]

I've been mostly thinking either Yinglung or Aethertech depending on whether i can get vuln stacks up before the rotation

[twilit quail]

ltierally just xiranite

basically always

unless you want her to do the damage for whatever reason

[smoky quarry]

I think you should try pulser

[gritty briar]

Not for a regular team
Assume estella is for a large chunk of the team's damage

[smoky quarry]

Cause of set effect

[twilit quail]

ok so like

estella gilb pog chen

or what

[gritty briar]

the real context is 4 star only

[odd wren]

Btw is it worth to artifice ai gears for pog? Or not reallt a priority

[proud vector]

assuming estella is a large part of a team's damage.... :0

[smoky quarry]

Redeemer armor + pulser gloves + 2x pulser ult

try this

[proud vector]

that sounds kinda ass

[gritty briar]

it is ass

i do not have many options

[proud vector]

estella can leverage cheap af ult with ult gen potential to do quite ult energy intensive rotations

[twilit quail]

it's always just aethertech

[proud vector]

ignoring that by building damage is sadness

[twilit quail]

for this

there isnt really anything else

【罗丹仅需70s!洁哥碎冰队理论上最优的爆发输出轴;腐蚀代入循环,埃特拉主c,最逻辑自洽的配装配队】 https://www.vxbilibili.com/video/BV1nXZdBqEaz

shatter damage is pathetic

intensity on her is only usable for stagger

[smoky quarry]

how do you even use this piece of webcode

[gritty briar]

I've had yinglung previously but i'm thinking to switch to Aethertech with the arts int hotwork gloves

[twilit quail]

no

intensity is worthless

lmao

unless if youre like

really just completely fucked with 4*s

[smoky quarry]

Estella applies solidification, right?

[twilit quail]

and literally donthave anything better to do

than fucking shatter

[gritty briar]

there really isn't much better to do

[twilit quail]

god that's fucking grim

and catcher

ok

if catcher wasnt a useless piece of shit

you would have better options

but you dont

[smoky quarry]

and her main source of damage is shatter on ult, right?

[dry kindle]

Wut

[proud vector]

the usual estella teams only ever build like a lv 1 shatter

[twilit quail]

oh wait

no

you should use valiant

yeah

you need to use valiant on her

[timber harness]

I already know the answer but whats tang do for shatter

[gritty briar]

I mean if you want to see what it's like, this is what i was working with
https://youtu.be/eipaJIwIzh0
Wasn't fully invested and i fucked up and missed the corrosion on the last shatter but it would've been like 110k if i didn't miss

catcher estella and fluorite are all like 1/3 of my damage

[smoky quarry]

chinese youtube parody

[dry kindle]

That's just a vid link

Unless you're on mobile then it's a pain in the ass

[proud vector]

no crush 4* team huh?

wild

[timber harness]

I was joking when i said you can get trimmings with the worst units on the planet

But ofc its true

[gritty briar]

no food buffs is kinda painful

[proud vector]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wDoFtsiGHTw

[proud vector]

[dry kindle]

Idk how you tell mobile to fuck off and just load the vid

[gritty briar]

like you see catcher solos in a similar time and think maybe it's easy but he gets like infinite ults and way more damage from food

[dry kindle]

That's the title 😭

[gritty olive]

thats the description for the title if you were to copy it from the app

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fZIri97JWmE here is an example of a youtube video im currently watching

[regal girder]

morning

[gritty briar]

lol wtf message hidden

[twilit quail]

he has three new sets and all of them use 2 beacons

[smoky quarry]

spam warning person

[gritty olive]

if you were to copy the link from the app, it would be something like
[message] [description]
link

[proud vector]

1 message hidden from likely spammer

first time i've ever seen that

[gritty briar]

didn't know discord did this

[smoky quarry]

imagine getting bullied by discord

[twilit quail]

if you insisted on 3x aethertech and wanted an off piece I guess yeah

[gritty olive]

yeah theyre probably a bot or banned 😭 🙏

[smoky quarry]

it's essentially shadow ban and you get it for nothing 90% of the time

[potent hornet]

you are arguing with someone that has written a damn essay on Dapans options

[proud vector]

huh!

[dry kindle]

Tbh it needs more words

[normal tangle]

catcher players really think they're playing sekiro or something

[dry kindle]

I can see everything in 1 screen

[potent hornet]

lol

[timber harness]

Where's the alter ego jannie account when you need them

https://tenor.com/view/joker-persona-5-joker-game-awards-smash-ren-gif-17066525480496911317

[twilit quail]

3x hot work is real but like

no cycling

is fucking unplayable

it's speedrun only

[potent hornet]

so the best option to kills big things quickly?

[twilit quail]

old yinglung chest

new hot work hands

2 hot work kit

the one with str

if you want comfortable cycling you have to take swordmancer

[proud vector]

something something rotation falls to shit after the first ult due to energy concerns or something like that... rip

[twilit quail]

new chest, 2 beacons, lynx hands

hot work is real but like going and telling people

that beacon is a "trap" because it isnt in max damage no cycling set

is a little misguided

aethertech 3x still kind of exists

you can use it with the new hw hands it's alright

you hvae to play into aethertech chest stagger% to make it worth it

but if you have a good timeline the damage is good

[signal palm]

I can't say anything for panda gear outside of speedrunning, but since all the current bosses don't survive past one stagger window I get the best damage with hot work gloves with 3 aethertech
double beacon means losing aethertech which gives him about ~32% physical damage bonus on average for me in my rotations, and a single beacon means the other three have to be aethertech meaning you can't run the new gloves which results in 3 less main attribute on fully artificed gear

[twilit quail]

you either run 3x swordmancer with 2 beacons

or 0 beacons

there is no world where you use only 1

[proud vector]

ya'll both agreeing really

[twilit quail]

the details are important

[proud vector]

yes, yes

[twilit quail]

when people are making sweeping statements

"single beacon is a trap" would have taken very little effort and been perfectly clear

[proud vector]

context is always missing yeaaa

[twilit quail]

fyi these are the numbers here

with 4+4

[leaden pewter]

Do I use normal or t1 armor and gloves for Yvonne?

[twilit quail]

full stack on exemplar 3 stacks of pog buff

[leaden pewter]

Also on the build guide, why is Yvonne using lynx slab? Shouldn’t she use something like pulser gloves?

[signal palm]

I got the same results in my testing, I make no claim for which set is better to run since it's too dynamic depending on rotation and there may be reasons to run swordmancer considering the stagger and ultimate efficiency on the armor

just that single beacon is pointless and that aethertech set with hot work gloves gives the highest combo skill damage

[proud vector]

Agreement, accord

[twilit quail]

just be more specific next time

[gritty briar]

hmm, i've never really thought about spamming dive attacks like this. I wonder what the dps difference is

[proud vector]

dive attacks do have not terrible multipliers when compared to the basic string

[twilit quail]

catcher doesnt have better things to do

[proud vector]

the obvious downside being no SP

[twilit quail]

so he can dive

LMAO

[proud vector]

hmm

is the SP-converted-to-damage via battle skill that worthless? xD

[gritty briar]

well if rhodagn is staggered he can't battle skill anyways so i guess it makes sense

[proud vector]

or is it because he is already parrying all available opportunities and would otherwise overcap?

ah yeah that makes sense

it is also very sad

[gritty briar]

he would overcap cause he just gained a fat sp bar from finisher

and he has literally nothing to parry

[twilit quail]

I think the more impressive thing someone did recently

was yvonne solo trim marble

[proud vector]

:o

[twilit quail]

it's jsut rng

it's all fucking rng

even on the tentacle spawns

[gritty briar]

sounds painful

[proud vector]

jesus, manually build ult through battle skill raw?

[gritty briar]

like horrible actually

[twilit quail]

she needs 38 bs

to build her ult

[proud vector]

AHAHA

[twilit quail]

GIGACHAD

[leaden pewter]

Which type of armor does Yvonne use? There is normal, t1 and t2 but I don’t know which.

There are also 3 types of gloves too

[twilit quail]

basic% on body and hands

god imagine these fucking ice bozos

if they didnt have xaihi

[proud vector]

Fucking ice bozos

tbf without Xaihi cyro is kinda jobless

[wanton notch]

What's wrong with that

[twilit quail]

half damage lost

without xaihi

it's not even a joke

god

[proud vector]

maybe LR can live on a faster rotation? urgh

it will still lose big chunk of dmg

[twilit quail]

【【终末地】白垩镀层，但是禁屏幕】 https://www.vxbilibili.com/video/BV1XsP4zREcq/

damn this guy is gaming

blind trim

[gritty briar]

wtf

[proud vector]

what in the boredom

[twilit quail]

ok so he is relying on directional sound

splendid

thank you hypergryph

[proud vector]

also the massive auto lockon range haha

LMAO HE GETS LOST AND SPINS FOR SOUND QUEUES

amazing

[twilit quail]

he missed the skip cutscene button

and then awlks in the wrong direction

god this is so good

[proud vector]

omg the ai allies lead him back

[gritty briar]

i'm watching him spin rn

[proud vector]

this is so funny

[gritty briar]

this is actually peak endfield

[neat snow]

The power of being unemployed

[twilit quail]

ok now do it while deafened as well

[proud vector]

jeez

[wanton notch]

I wanted to argue, but I know that's truth.

The only good think about Catcher is rampaging shields, but Chen exist

[proud vector]

.....maybe its possible if you stunlock the boss

[twilit quail]

monkey and typewriter kinda shit

[proud vector]

it removes large amount of rng if you do that

[wanton notch]

I still cannot get over the fact that Catcher BS applies Vulnerability.

Not lift. Not knockdown.

Just vulnerability

Like HG, what's wrong with you

[warped sorrel]

Is catcher has any special abilities that noone has

[proud vector]

parry

cinematic af but has some utility

[gritty briar]

they wanted to give ember the win there to pretend she's a real 6 star

[warped sorrel]

parry =/= block?

[proud vector]

gives superarmor to current active when called in to parry

(limited to like 1 hit or something)

niche applications

but hey superarmor is superarmor

[signal palm]

Didn't realize you saw my earlier message, my apologies since that statement was too general and badly phrased. Was scratching head when you mentioned sweeping statements

I should have said when only considering pure damage and if you kill boss in 2 or less crush, beacon wouldn't be the highest damage option, but I didn't consider that the damage difference isn't extreme (so might not change how fast the boss dies) and you might even clear faster if you run double beacon due to the stagger from swordmancer. The longer the fight the more someone might value ultimate efficiency or stagger buildup rate so "beacon is a trap gear for panda" is a pretty bad statement to make

[gritty briar]

snowshine has itoo doesn't she?

[twilit quail]

it's quite funny that the highest level of superarmour is on lae ebs

[proud vector]

yes

so teeechnically not unique but

its 1 of 2 lmao

[normal tangle]

it can still get cancelled btw