theorycrafting

[drifting quest]

and hence never age or die

[narrow rover]

Did warfarin like, has been with giberta 600 years ago or does it mean she interacted with like the 6th iteration of gilberta?

[drifting quest]

viable? yes
competitive? surprisingly so
powercreeping? no

[bronze plume]

we simply dont know all the speculation is cool and all but we dont have the facts for any of it

[drifting quest]

2nd iteration

[bronze plume]

until HG decide to go into lore for reconvening as a thing

[wind nebula]

Just because she's the controlled operator doesn't mean she's the main DPS

[drifting quest]

reconveners are a relatively new thing, chronology wise

unless you count the eventual kaltsit revival

[smoky quarry]

To be fair, they might not know it themselves for know, since reconv is the idea of new team

[tawny lagoon]

Another day has passed, how are TangTang calcs going?
She that good for Yvonne?

[drifting quest]

looking like it yes

rotations are becoming cleaner

[narrow rover]

So no one also know why warfarin made reconvening a thing?

[chilly bolt]

So like a homunculus

[digital violet]

a team with last rite and tangtang is better??

[tawny lagoon]

@drifting quest a lot more damage over original alesh comp?

[narrow rover]

Oh shit my bad this is theory crafting

[wanton notch]

Does Perlicia dps got new sets or it's basically same mi + slab?

[narrow rover]

I mistaken lorecrafting with theory crafting

[wind nebula]

Yeah, day one had a scuffed "interrupt your Ult to dive" rotation. Hopefully that's changed

[smoky quarry]

This phenomenon manifests by itself

She didn't created it

[tawny lagoon]

Also, thanks to every nerd running calcs and figuring this stuff out, I appreciate it!

[drifting quest]

major arknights spoilers
||most recent (EN) main story one of the protagonists, kaltsit, is killed. part of the plot now is going to try and revive her akin to reconveners. likely warfarin pushed her study focus into reconveners following the (presumed, this has not happened yet even on CN) revival of kaltsit||

[drifting quest]

hard to say

[drifting quest]

nothing insane but a decent increase

[bronze plume]

its both endmin and warfarin that are doing the research on reconveners tho persumably after the memory wipe endmin aint no shit

[tawny lagoon]

I think Perlica Yvonne was better than Alesh for bosses, but fair

[narrow rover]

||I assume the katlsit revival is a success ||

[drifting quest]

id expect Endfield industries is set up following this arc of Arknights

[bronze plume]

read what shuo said

[narrow rover]

Is the ||dokutah|| dead?

[bronze plume]

we dont know

[brisk pecan]

for all we know endmin could be dokuta

[drifting quest]

current chronology no
future chronology we dont know

[narrow rover]

Hell yeah

[chilly bolt]

No way

[drifting quest]

arknights that is

[bronze plume]

people speculate endmin is doctor (for some reason) its doctors child etc etc

[narrow rover]

Kaltsit and dokutah child frfr

[bronze plume]

the only character from arknights that we actually have confirmed that are still alive is M3 and Warfarin

[drifting quest]

and at least 1 sui sibling

[digital violet]

i know, he play tangtang with Xaihi, gilberta,perlica

[chilly bolt]

M3 looks so different ngl

[drifting quest]

i think there's more

[bronze plume]

W suis

there 100% will be more

its just a matter of when we get the lore

[brisk pecan]

wuling final patch shu operator

[narrow rover]

They were like

Dokutah: "Hey kaltsit look at this... it's a rock. I love this rock"

And they all lived happily ever after

[bronze plume]

arknights goes HEAVY on the lore

[brisk pecan]

trust

[bronze plume]

endfield doesnt really do that much minus the tutorial if you know where to look

[wind nebula]

Just making sure. If you aren't doing competitive speed running, any mildly sensible team will perform once built

[brisk pecan]

some operators can also perform to trim standards solo

[oblique frost]

No shit

[chilly bolt]

Ok so i shouldn't on field lr against ruan

Xaihi saves the day again

[tawny lagoon]

I know this is the theorycrafting channel, but what do you guys think about 1.1 story?

[bronze plume]

it is at least better then 1.0

but doesnt hold a candle to arknights

imo

[tawny lagoon]

better than Laev side story?

[bronze plume]

i liked wulfgards side story more then laevs so

[outer ermine]

[chilly bolt]

I skipped the story but at least i know they did better in making tangtang likeable

[bronze plume]

they made her not a complete annoying brat

[outer ermine]

anyone know ruan ball pattern yet

[bronze plume]

they are really good at killing off characters we barely get to know tho

[tawny lagoon]

didnt feel like tangtang contribute too much to make story better in 1.0, but maybe itll change in 1.1( have yet to play it)

[civic wolf]

yeah i was really confused

[bronze plume]

i knew this guy for 1 hour damn hes dead

[civic wolf]

as of why the game suddenly wants me to care about Ruan Yi this much

idk why redditors call this peak

[bronze plume]

ok anyway im sure its sad for those who knew him in game but like

imma forget that mf in a week

[civic wolf]

At least if you want me to give a shit about someone being goner and only needing hours for us to give a shit at least give us a strong hook man

[brisk pecan]

i do think that the problem here is listening to the opinions of reddit

[civic wolf]

thats why Aemeath in Wuwa worked (but also cuz that game has peak presentaiton to back it up so)

[bronze plume]

i agree patrick

[brisk pecan]

thank you eyja 🙏

[bronze plume]

its ardelia >:(

[civic wolf]

is Originium an instrument

[bronze plume]

imma call you rick

[chilly bolt]

Redditers need to be stopped

[brisk pecan]

NO ITS PATRICK

[drifting quest]

a lot of ruan yi's characterisation has been drip fed over the collectible files

[digital violet]

a player finished marble aggelomorai in 1m32 with this team he was just playing akekuri over perlica

[drifting quest]

if you dont read them its more understandable why you might not like 1.1

it's also valid if you dislike that type of storytelling

[civic wolf]

yeah thats part of the problem, not a lot of people are willing to stop and read stuff when there's plenty to do in a live service already

[brisk pecan]

i don't think dark souls style storytelling works with an "episodic" gacha game like this tbh

[wind nebula]

If they wanted you to care about Ruan Yi they would've spent the time you talk about.

They only took the time to get you to care about the fact that Tang Tang cares.

I'm shocked that we are sitting in the consequences for a bit after the fact, and that they allowed a banner character to have conflict and emotional instability with the MC without her character being some crazy trope.

[chilly bolt]

I dont read them and i also didn't like how they make ruan looks like a straight up delusional guy in main story

[karmic leaf]

anyone got 24h base rotation?

[civic wolf]

The guy who gave Ruan Yi his powers even suggest Ruan Yi to NOT throw hands, but he insists anyway. Is he stupid?

[chilly bolt]

I just leave them in the base and never touch again

[civic wolf]

i think this convinced me that subversion of trope isn't necessarily enough to make me fully like a story

[brisk pecan]

> gets power
> throws a tantrum
> keels over and dies
-cow guy

it's... idk

"i don't really care" is how i would describe it ig

[chilly bolt]

Yeah fr i thought there'd be something else with ruan but... He just dies

[civic wolf]

mind you

they have shown

ZERO

amount of times of stockcade and wuling people throwing hands

[drifting quest]

he's a foil to aradashir first, nefarith second

[civic wolf]

we're given nothing to work with other than 'trust the text bro'

[drifting quest]

it's meant to do more for them than it is himself

[civic wolf]

but yeah this story is better

but its simultanousely

not good enough

[drifting quest]

highlight aradashirs cunning and manipulation but give him some more 'but what if he's also kinda good guy' moments
contrast nefariths saturday morning cartoon villain setup with the bonekrushers

[civic wolf]

compared to the debut patch

[drifting quest]

most gacha game story takes time to find its footing

im enjoying it so far and 1.0 to 1.1 was a huge improvement

[civic wolf]

well

i expect better

story is usually not one of the reason i stick around

and the last time a gamba game had a strong start they fucking crash and burned immediately after (HSR)

[tawny lagoon]

any numbers for tangtang sig vs bp gun overall team damage %

[oblique frost]

R u kidding

[drifting quest]

varies a lot, as high as some 30-40% gain

as low as 10-15% or so

[tawny lagoon]

hmm, ok
Thank You!

[broken shale]

Is there anything about rossi yet?

[glass birch]

Nothing confirmed

[broken shale]

I hope she's not dogshit

[smoky quarry]

Do you know percentage on Dark Lung vs Khrav btw?

[drifting quest]

gaps so big ive never seen it considered

[smoky quarry]

If Khrav p0 is 100% dps, then how much is dark lung?

[drifting quest]

gaps so big ive never seen it considered

[chilly bolt]

Can safely assume it's half in performance

[oblique frost]

Gaps are 1000% including (in)ability to pull off rotations

[swift tundra]

won't the value in Tangtang's sig go down if you are running Ardelia sig or Detonation unit in team because of diminishing returns?

[oblique frost]

Ofc not

[chilly bolt]

That's correct tho

But it's still better than dmg bonus

Since lr already has a lot

[marsh grove]

what is the water treatment machine for? it can storage sewage but there is no output

[bronze plume]

it doesnt store it gets rid off

[chilly bolt]

It's literally the trash can for liquid

[tight haven]

wrong channel but it literally just gets rid of it

you should be piping sewage into crucibles though

[marsh grove]

oh sorry yeah wrong channel

[tight haven]

you use treatment plants to remove inert xiranite

[swift tundra]

I'm just going to wait for a stat stick gun that gives %atk team buff like Stanza lmao.

[marsh grove]

so it delete fluid into air got it

[daring dove]

I really need to swap my motherboard to a white one at some point it kinda stands out now.

[bronze plume]

also wrong channel

[chilly bolt]

Correct channel

This is whel chat

No place for shrimp like me

[bronze plume]

pleasing the whale wont make them gib you money most of the time

[swift tundra]

From my experience, custom PC aesthetic novelty wears off after a while. At some point you just stop caring about how it looks.

[outer ermine]

just donate it to me striker

[brisk pecan]

no but we need to please them so they feel happy so they spend more on the game so the devs have funding

alternative is the game shuts down 😔

[bronze plume]

i think HG have enuf funding

[brisk pecan]

you don't know for sure

lowlight could be a gambling addict 😔

[bronze plume]

he spends it all on starset performances

[brisk pecan]

"idol" addict

even worse

[bronze plume]

being addicted to starset is based

[daring dove]

Yeah it’s also about the practical side of things getting a 5090 comfortable for continual operation is no easy task. The original case I had thing was running nearer 80c. New case has dropped it by 15c.

[chilly bolt]

Meanwhile my laptop constantly at 97 degree

[oblique frost]

Swap mother?

[daring dove]

Laptop gaming life in a nutshell sadly.

[chilly bolt]

At least i have a cooling pad so it's not too bad

[torn pilot]

why does the guide reccomend this team for last rite? isnt it better to use gilberta and tt on her team?

this just seems like a budget option

[chilly bolt]

Not fully updated yet

[valid zealot]

Let them cook.

[torn pilot]

understadnable

[chilly bolt]

Stay tuned for iana

[torn pilot]

tangtang is way better than i ever expected ngl

she just does so much damage

and makes it far more intuitive to play for consuming 3 or more infliction stacks on yvonne/last rite

well, maybe it doesnt actually feel that much more intuitive for last rite since she didnt have much problems with inflictions

[outer ermine]

could have been 69s ruan goddamn it

[torn pilot]

yvonne teams definitely had a problem setting up 3 cryo infliction stacks without explicitly just playing LR in the team

or spending 3 business days using xaihi combo skill to apply some stacks

[daring dove]

How are you finding Tangtang Hifumi?

[chilly bolt]

I was about to ask the same question

How is tang in lr team

[outer ermine]

hella nice, it suits my lr combo prio playstyle so far

[torn pilot]

yeah cycling between last rite and tt combo/battle skills seems like the most efficient way to apply cryo stacks in the game rn

so i imagine it feels super good

[chilly bolt]

Dang it i want to save for rossi...

[torn pilot]

on top of the fact that tt has high uptime for team buffs

and an assload of damage

[random iron]

My only complaint about tang tang is she made me build last rite and xaihi now I'm broke

[torn pilot]

the chief requires payment

[smoky quarry]

500k t-creds, now what?

[stable oxide]

i only pulled her to avoid risking soft pity with rossi free pulls since i was close to 70, got her p1 too. Gonna remain lv 1 cuz i'm too broke to invest on last rite

[chilly bolt]

Only 500k? You need 1.8m

[torn pilot]

honestly since im already minmaxing yvonne tangtang gilberta and xaihi, once im finished im highly considering minmaxing last rite too, just so i can enjoy each cryo dps respectively

[stable oxide]

also i have both laeva and physical so i don't really need a third team now

[torn pilot]

but its gunna take so long to get there

and also i dont have LR sig

or p3, only p1

[daring dove]

I'm at the point where for me, Tangtang is the best character in the game right now. I think Gilberta has the potential to be better than Tangtang in the future if we get a solid nature DPS.

But as of the current meta I think Tangtang is her.

[stable oxide]

she'll fit any upcoming cryo dps probably

[torn pilot]

yeah tangtang feels like a must pull support unit for anybody looking forward to cryo teems now or in the future

[summer flicker]

she a subdps, not a fully support

[chilly bolt]

But but rossi...

[summer flicker]

her damage is very good

[torn pilot]

yeah

[stable oxide]

i like the fact that they added hybrid kinda playstyles already but, since i have both laeva and physical premium she doesn't really add anything to my roster, actually steals some members

[torn pilot]

okay but rossi is suddenly really good if she just happens to deal more damage than the ladder teams

so we just have to wait and see

that being said, it doesnt seem likely that her damage will be greater

because i just dont see how mixing dmagae would be better than mono

butttt well see

[stable oxide]

even if it was after m12 endmin i'm not dropping that team anytime soon

same for laeva

[chilly bolt]

I've been saving for rossi, but now with how good tang is idk if i can hold it...

[stable oxide]

tbh at the point we are rn in the game

just pull whichever unit you like

people clearing with solo chen agony mode

[brisk pecan]

waifu > meta

[stable oxide]

this game is so lenient frfr

[brisk pecan]

esp in this game where it's like ... solo catcher is viable

[chilly bolt]

It's kinda a dilemma, you feel good when you get your favourite character, but you feel bad for skipping a good unit

[torn pilot]

yeah honestly true

people are glazing tangtang because it makes other characters a lot better

and not because she actually warps the meta drastically

physical and laev are still the best teams rn

[stable oxide]

yeah if you play either yvonne or last rite

it's that much smoother

but if you don't care about those units in the first place just don't pull

[drifting quest]

tt's just pretty solid

[brisk pecan]

just don't feel bad

[stable oxide]

or pull if you enjoy the chief

[brisk pecan]

what's the difference between a good and a bad unit when both can clear the same thing

[shut cargo]

does tang ult actually freze any boss

[drifting quest]

numbers below expectations but she rotates a lot faster than expected so it evens out

[stable oxide]

i myself pulled to avoid rossi and because the chief is goated

[torn pilot]

eah lol

yeah*

[shut cargo]

damn

[torn pilot]

its pretty cool to see

[drifting quest]

some rotations are still a bit awkward but they're getting smoother

[shut cargo]

i mean thats basically the only reason i WANT to pull her

[stable oxide]

most enjoyable limited character in lore after laeva

for me

[stable oxide]

yeah she's a yvonne ult enabler basically

[torn pilot]

yeah tangtangs story was really well done IMO

[shut cargo]

rossi - stacks vuln
tangtang - fuckin freezes any god damn boss

th stupid betl umbral monumant is giving m flsahbacks

[torn pilot]

and her voice actor is incredible

love her

[shut cargo]

beetle

[chilly bolt]

Ok the plan is pull on rossi, get rossi+tangtang+yvonne, ez

[drifting quest]

annoying how little tt freeze actually does in real gameplay

[torn pilot]

yeah honestly just pitty rossi and get tt otw

[drifting quest]

would have been nice for it to be a bit more usable

but hey

[shut cargo]

really? dmn

[torn pilot]

yeah i agree

it was never meant to be the center of her kit tho

[drifting quest]

most rots setup the plunge ahead to automatically end the ult after cast

[shut cargo]

ah

[torn pilot]

the chief makes whirlpools and her ult just enables a big number + more whirlpools

the cc is lore related and fun but not that relevant

[shut cargo]

im just bored with my levateam

[brisk pecan]

actually is there a lore reason for the whirlpools

like i get the water but whirlpools?

[shut cargo]

that goes to lore room

[torn pilot]

oh rlly? the yvonne rot im using uses it fairly well

[shut cargo]

oh wait this is thorycrafting

[torn pilot]

tt ults like midway through yvonne ult and i have enough time to plunge at the end

[shut cargo]

still

[drifting quest]

are you whiffing the susc then

and not buffing yvonne

[outer ermine]

2nd phase chase is 4 balls spawn together on one side then chase the other

amazing

[drifting quest]

or rearranging the rot to tt skill later and slow it down

[shut cargo]

i got gilberta and like i still barely use her cuz in the end ardlia is btter

[stable oxide]

tbh i still don't understand how she still has that eye and why it's magical

[shut cargo]

its magic you ont get it

[torn pilot]

nah i mean it lasts for 15s

its not short

[tranquil cedar]

so how the tt math going?

[torn pilot]

just do it before you ult with yvonne and then the susc is up for the rest of the damage

including tt ult

[drifting quest]

so its a lower damage/slower rot then

i mean fair enough if you prefer that i guess

[torn pilot]

yeah its slower for sure

[drifting quest]

its lower damage too

[torn pilot]

but its the only one i learned how to do so far since i just started using the team

[torn pilot]

set me onto something else if you have a source

[drifting quest]

what team are you running

[torn pilot]

normally i go like, tt skill -> tt combo -> xaihi skill -> hit stuff with yvonne until i proc xaihi combo -> tt combo -> tt skill -> yvonne skill -> yvonne final -> yvonne combo -> start pressing ults and time gilberta + tangtang ults around yvonne ult

[torn pilot]

im using yvonne tangtang gilberta xahi

as far as i noticed i wasnt missing out on any buffs/debuffs

but i could have missed something

[drifting quest]

should be the more up to date one, unless i missed it elsewhere

this does ult later too though

hmm

maybe it is out of date

[summer flicker]

iirc, maygi math ult late is better for dps

[drifting quest]

for 1 rot only

or over many

late ult giga griefs going into the next rot

unless there's some frame perfect timing im missing

[summer flicker]

1 rot only

[drifting quest]

ok

[summer flicker]

i mean its 2+ rot able

[drifting quest]

yeah thats valid

[summer flicker]

cuz you can see a xaihi skill

[drifting quest]

if its just 1 rot then sure

[summer flicker]

that trigger for later rotation

[drifting quest]

its more that

gilb + tt are going to be going -2 stacks

on their ults

[summer flicker]

yes, the other rotation is faster for 2nd rot

[drifting quest]

yeah makes sense

[summer flicker]

but this rot is loopable too, forgot the xaihi skill to fill in tangtang energy requirement

[bronze plume]

i wonder if there plan is to not make valley stock bills have anymore use due to the limitation of only 2 regions bases being able to be working at a time

[drifting quest]

it loops it just loops way slower rot 2+ so should end up a dps loss over time

[summer flicker]

this is the older rot

well its shorter on 1 rot too but lower dps

[bronze plume]

bro i cant find channels is this discord

[shut cargo]

is rossi mor a phys team nablr

[bronze plume]

#aic-factory

[shut cargo]

like damn

[drifting quest]

we dont know what rossi will actually be

the video is useless for pre tc, we have no numbers

[amber bluff]

last rite + tang2 + Xaihi then who do i choose: fluorite or perlica (no gib)

[summer flicker]

per

[amber bluff]

should've put that in team build on the second thought

[summer flicker]

perlica can stanza

flourite is literally useless(i mean shorter rot, more stack but you get what i mean)

[drifting quest]

fluorite is just

not good

unless you giga overkill on damage already

and even then she's just a minor downgrade not a major one

[pallid phoenix]

I need to artifacing xaihi gear for ult regen then I think I’ll have her ult in time with this rotation

[summer flicker]

oh you have redeemer on yvonne is what i assume

[pallid phoenix]

lynx

new mi security armor for ult regen

[summer flicker]

ye ic

that's why i was like, how thats enough ult energ for yvonne

[pallid phoenix]

redeemer prob better instead of losing basic attack damage

idk tho xD

[summer flicker]

13.5% crit, or lynx is huge dmg

the mi sec armour prolly better

[pallid phoenix]

xaihi new armor is so nice

ult eff and int

[daring dove]

Yep 616 INT without artificing is pretty nice.

[chilly bolt]

Non artificed redeemer chest is already higher int than artificed tide chest

[glass birch]

which is why it instantly replaced all Tide chests in existance

That and the 0.4% higher Uge

[chilly bolt]

Good thing I haven't touched laevatin chest

So i can just give her the tide chest from xaihi

[daring dove]

To be fair I imagine there's not a ton in it when it comes to Leavatain that said it'll be easier to artifice since it's only 6 pips.

Maybe an extra 100 ATK for Laevatain if you're lucky.

[civic wolf]

so out of the game's entire roster rn, the only characters worth investing on maxed artifice (because dealing damage is relevant as them) are these right?

Laeva, Lifeng, Chen, Endmin, Pan, Tangtang, Last Rite, Yvonne, Perlica, Avywenna

Am i missing anyone else with notably worthwhile artifice

[daring dove]

Yyonne you bully

[civic wolf]

Thats funny

i use Yvonne

but forgot to list her

[oak vigil]

Even Yvonne users spread the agenda

But yeah, pretty much that’s everyone

[daring dove]

Also don't max artifice Panda unless you're into that sorta thing.

[oak vigil]

As for partially (like a third pip of equipment), Perlica, Xaihi, Antal, Akekuri, Gilberta, Ardelia

I think that’s all?

[civic wolf]

i thought Pan's the big damage dealer?

[civic wolf]

is it usually just ult gain?

[urban plaza]

Doesn't she only need 400 INT for max ult amp?

[civic wolf]

ive been wondering how relevant the ult gain boost actually is

[golden rapids]

Rotations? Gilberta steals my ''cryo affected enemy'' thing when I wanna gather enemies into one place with her skill

[oak vigil]

Ult gain/Arts intensity, yeah

[fossil pendant]

new swordmancer on ember is so stupid lmao

she staggers the boss so quickly with it that I haven't even been able to set up my burst yet

[chilly bolt]

No it doesn't count base amp

[daring dove]

Isn't he kind of stictly worse than Endmin in a lot of comps & Endmin will get future potentials for free down the road.

Seems like a bad investment

[oblique frost]

How exactly stats diluted after 1000% ability multipliers

[chilly bolt]

That's a weird question

[drifting quest]

ability mult is a baseline and isnt typically part of the consideration for dilution, since it doesnt change

[urban plaza]

Care to explain?

I thought its 24% base + 12% via INT (400) = 36% max cap

Otherwise she would need 1.200

[drifting quest]

no its 36% max from int

[glass birch]

24 base + up to 36% from int

You need upwards of 1200 to cap it

[urban plaza]

Oh

[chilly bolt]

Yes

[drifting quest]

1200 is the cap

[glass birch]

You can test this out yourself by doing a 400 int build and going up in int. The amp is higher

[civic wolf]

probably depends on hwo they'll handle endmin future i guess

[plain shoal]

jes format in this picture is so bad makes it actually confusing to read

[civic wolf]

i'd be surprised if they glue endmin into being phys when this type of game's MC usually have them changing elements

[urban plaza]

Thanks

[tawny lagoon]

do people on here(aside from whales) do only single pulls?

[daring dove]

I'm guessing Laevatain wants ult damage gloves as well as new chest?

[chilly bolt]

I never do singles

[civic wolf]

singles is more optimal but its just annoying to do

[urban plaza]

No?
The max I do is singles after the soft pity chance increase

Or if im too poor to afford a 10 pull lol

Mostly the basic HH

[drifting quest]

ill do singles when we're dripfed tickets

so login events, basic hh tickets, etc

or when im at soft pity

[neat snow]

Yeah I only do singles on the standard when they give us tickets for it

[chilly bolt]

What new chest the hotwork or the redeemer

[tawny lagoon]

then again, how often do you get the chance to pull if you're not spending a lot?

[urban plaza]

The new redeemer chest is a minimal upgrade
Not worth, if you already maxed out tide

[daring dove]

Doesn't that potentially rob yourself of a cool doable 6* multi. I know statically the chances are the same if you're doing singles or multis. But I have had about 4-5 doable 6* multiies so far seems a bit odd to rob yourself of that cool potential chance.

[urban plaza]

Wrong reply sry

[urban plaza]

^

[drifting quest]

i mean yeah but im autistic i prefer my pity timer to be even
it doesnt matter much for the x10 per banner because it evens out by the end

if i win the 50/50 i stop after soft pity anyway

so i keep my even pity timer

[urban plaza]

At least they started to frontload pulls from events

Felt so bad to wait a week

[oblique frost]

Why not

[drifting quest]

the ability mult isnt going to change, you can't dilute it because it's a fixed value

the rest can be impacted by your gearing, your team, your weapons

[daring dove]

Each to their own I guess. I suppose when your not pulling for dupes as well getting doable multi's is less relevant.

[drifting quest]

so you do consider dilution

[drifting quest]

yeah im not rich enough to consider potentials

i cant even pull every unit

i just lucked out in 1.0

[urban plaza]

Eventually there will be different ways to upgrade potential in the future

[drifting quest]

rossi banner onwards im going to start missing out on units so gating my testing capabilities a lot

gotta rely on others for in game testing atp

[tight haven]

it would be pretty baller if they gave out potential replacement materials

like in og ak

[glass birch]

So you're skipping rossi or no?

[drifting quest]

yes

[glass birch]

bet o\

[drifting quest]

i had the pulls for 1 unit in 1.1

and i grabbed tt after the story

[glass birch]

I'm def getting rossi

[urban plaza]

They will in the future, 100%
Cause it would be doomed if no player can get the limited units upgraded in the future

[daring dove]

I'm legit undecided on Rossi, I don't much care for child-like characters. But if she offers a meaningful upgrade to one of my existing teams...

[tight haven]

ehhhhhhhh

[daring dove]

I'm not sure I'll be able to resist.

[tight haven]

i would REALLY like it to be sure but potential atm like

suck

[oblique frost]

I wonder how after the fixed 1000% ability mult dilution can happen

[chilly bolt]

Dilution only happens inside of the same category, for example having 50% dmg bonus and 50% dmg taken is better than having 100% susceptibility

[tight haven]

p0 > p5 6* so far is typically a ~35% increase(?)

[drifting quest]

what do you mean how can it happen

[urban plaza]

Im not expecting that to happen in the next months
Probably year 2

[tight haven]

only lifeng gets like nutty ass pot boosts really

laev arguably but she has a trainwreck of a p1

[urban plaza]

Or they rotate old units together with new banners

[daring dove]

Kind of when you consider a characters weapon potentials as well the upgrade can end up being closer to 100% damage upgrade over base.

[tight haven]

no

what

wdym 100%

where are you getting that number from

[golden rapids]

That would take me to p1, but if I remember correctly, if I get her copy before the guarentee wont reset. So I could aswell go p2? Is it worth? I would have to go for p3 atp which Id to at her rerun probably but idk if the p3 good. Im literally f2p, p3 seems crazy

[daring dove]

Take like Tangtang's weapon or Gilberta's weapon those buffs amp the entire team. Depends how you definite a characters "damage".

[tight haven]

yes nothing resets the token tributes except banners rotating out

[oblique frost]

But only v little after a x1000%

[golden rapids]

Soooo

[drifting quest]

what do you mean very little

[tight haven]

if you got 4 tangtangs in 70 pulls

you would get p5 with the tribute

[drifting quest]

like elaborate on what you mean

because then we can try to correct where you're misunderstanding

[tawny lagoon]

aren't potentials in other 3d gachas more egregious/larger differences?

[tight haven]

yes

[chilly bolt]

Man has an obsession with the number 1000%

[frozen tide]

Dilution is a concept that only applies when you can choose to invest more into said multiplier

[chilly bolt]

like bruh only chen ult has that

[tight haven]

in endfield they are occasionally significant but most potentials are modest dpr boosts at most

we have no potentials on the level of like

hsr eidolons

[golden rapids]

No I mean if I get her copy before 70 (reaching p1), should I go for p2 (guarentee). I think p2 only worth if im aiming for p3 and then Id have to do it next rerun cuz I wont be able to get another 120 pulls for guarenteed copy

Perhaps I just stay at p2(with guarentee) or p1(without reaching guarentee aka wasting it)

[daring dove]

I think Tangtang's sig is likely the biggest damage upgrade over a F2P alternative especially with dupes we've seen so far. Mostly because there isn't a good alternative. Gilberta & Ardelia have Stanza.

[tight haven]

oh IF you should go for jt

no imo only p1 is worth for tangtang (if you're considering any of them)

[golden rapids]

so p3 isnt that good?

[tight haven]

sure

but thats another two tangtangs

are you going to get another two tangtangs?

[tawny lagoon]

why is p1 on tangtang good?

[chilly bolt]

Guarantee what? The character guarantee is gone as soon as you get her, if you want the token it's on 240th pull

[tight haven]

low opportunity cost and sp return in cryo teams is helpful

[golden rapids]

its the IF, cuz im sure ill be hitting that guarentee, and if I end up with p2 tt its wasted potential not going p3 if im right

[tight haven]

no

[inland quarry]

Isn't it ~10%? Iirc lr and lae have bigger gains from sig wep

[tight haven]

p3 could be another 240 pulls

consider that

[drifting quest]

can be quite a bit more than 10%

depends on personal vs team damage

and what team

[chilly bolt]

It's not another 240 pulls, it's on the 240th pull total

[drifting quest]

most extreme is like 40% diff in team damage

[inland quarry]

That number is from yvonne team and for team dmg

From maygi

[golden rapids]

yeah im talking about token #theorycrafting message

[tight haven]

if youre f2p just do not go for potentials

none of them are worth another op

dont even think of potentials

[daring dove]

Leavatain starts with about 100% DMG at P0, at P5 you're just getting an extra 100% damage. But 100% damage especially when it's as diluated as in Leavatains case is likely worth about 35% ATK real world. So it wouldn't be a 100% increase over P0 it would be closer to 35%.

[tawny lagoon]

but tangtang sig important

[tight haven]

you get them if youre whaling or absolutely crazy for a certain op

[golden rapids]

Yeah I regret but I already went that far and ill be sticking to my current team so I might aswell go all in, already half way

im f2p

[tight haven]

if youre attempting to be "economical" then just sit on it imo

[inland quarry]

Errr I'm talking about sig wep vs best non-sig wep, not potentials

[tight haven]

tt p0 > p5 is about a 30% increase according to maygi

[golden rapids]

Im not going p5 lmao

[tight haven]

are you seriously going to spend pulls for what would be a less than 30% increase?

exactly

you would be spending a lot of pulls for a pittance in performance increase

[tawny lagoon]

doesnt seem worth it

[glass birch]

[golden rapids]

Im just going to hit that guarentee even if I get p1 early cuz I feel like its waste not to hit that guarentee if I already started going for it

[chilly bolt]

Ok so you already 50 pulls deep, might just do it unless you want to save for a certain future character, you'll get the token on 240th pull it doesn't care if you get tang or not before that

[daring dove]

Ah sorry I think we're talking about different things then.

[tawny lagoon]

sunken cost

[tight haven]

^

[summer flicker]

im simp tt

so i want to p5 her

[golden rapids]

What is sunken cost

[inland quarry]

I'm still waiting on tt sig wep numbers for lr team

[tight haven]

it is nonsensical to even go for potentials if youre f2p

[inland quarry]

I'm thinking of getting tt w/o sig wep for lr rn

[torn pilot]

yeah i mean youre already 70 pulls deep its definitely a waste to not get what you wanted out of it

[tight haven]

you have an incredibly limited pull economy as it stands

[torn pilot]

especially as f2p

[tight haven]

i would just sit on those 70 pulls

[golden rapids]

Yes. I already said I regret. But I already spend 50 pulls before realising its not worth.

[tight haven]

build them up to 120 again and guarantee what you want

man, just do not do it lol

[torn pilot]

i think in the future you should not go for dupes as f2p

[tight haven]

im telling you unless you really like tt its throwing pulls away

[torn pilot]

cuz as others said the pull economy isnt great

[tawny lagoon]

psychological trap where one handicaps themselves even further by keeping doing the bad thing because one already invested a lot of time/resources into it

[tight haven]

just accept that you messed up atp

70 pulls is more than halfway to 120

are you seriously going to skip a future op just for tt's pot?

[chilly bolt]

True it's a sunk cost fallacy situation, the better way is cut your losses now, only way to save this situation is you go for it and still have enough pulls for future (by whaling )

[torn pilot]

also tt potential isnt actually that gamechanging

[golden rapids]

Kinda yes but why overthink, I think the game is really rewarding anyway honestly

[torn pilot]

its a nice qol upgrade . . . thats about it

it doesnt make or break her

[oblique frost]

Laev has finisher ATK multiplier of 900% let’s ignore potentials my question is how buffs elsewhere can be diluted

[tight haven]

its not yea

[golden rapids]

ah yeah true

[torn pilot]

yes its pretty nice to have but she does all the same things for cryo teams without it

[inland quarry]

Most p1 are not that great, but p3/p4 tend to be much stronger. F2p isn't likely to get those so it's usually not worth

[summer flicker]

p1 tangtang is good

[golden rapids]

Yeahhhh, maybe arknights endfield will break that ''stereotype'' haha

[torn pilot]

yeah theres a few p1's that stand out as particularly strong, most of which arent game changing tho. tangtang is obviously an example, pog might be another example

there are few characters where p1 is game changing, someone like yvonne does a lot better with p1 for example

[inland quarry]

Tfw I want to skip tt sig but I get this

[glass birch]

Lifeng wants his P1 too

[torn pilot]

its good but its not game changing and definitely not worth as f2p

[tawny lagoon]

how much of a difference is her sig, mainly if you use tt as sup dps/support for lr or yvonne?

[chilly bolt]

It can't be diluted, again as people said dilution only happens to multiplier of the same category, in this case finisher mult is 900% and it doesn't affect other mult like dmg bonus or dmg taken or susceptibility or amp or whatever shit, 900% is always 900%

[summer flicker]

p1 tt save your rot like 7s

[golden rapids]

I got tt sig and idk what exactly the diffrence in dmg is but the fact that I feel the diffrence is already good

[summer flicker]

but you have to give her more ult eff

[outer ermine]

balls

[summer flicker]

there some trade off

[torn pilot]

tangtang does all the same things for cryo teams without p1, its definitely not game changing is is very unreasonable to pull for as f2p if you plan to have currency for other units in the near future

[summer flicker]

what ball

p1 is game changing if you play her as dps

[outer ermine]

ruans

[summer flicker]

[torn pilot]

nah i dont agree

[inland quarry]

This is what we have so far

[summer flicker]

but ye, if you play her as sp, then no need p1

[torn pilot]

more damage doesnt = game changing

[summer flicker]

you have different rotation for p1

[golden rapids]

Isnt sticking to one team top priority currently?? I dont think they will release more cryo characters any soon cuz we already got 2 limited

[tawny lagoon]

Thank you and to the person that did the calcs!

[summer flicker]

you can have 6combo skill rotation with p1 tangtang

[inland quarry]

Sadly there are no lr numbers, which I'm waiting on before pulling

[torn pilot]

its not really "top priority" no, you can solo all the content in the game with chen alone. just play who you like, and enjoy the game the best way for you, and for most players, that includes pulling for future characters

[oblique frost]

It affects other mults as it means no dilution up to 900%

[urban plaza]

The next ones gonna be nature and electric for sure

[brisk pecan]

you don't know that

ppl were saying tangtang phys up until the devlog

[summer flicker]

yes, ppl were guessing base on tt appearance etc

[chilly bolt]

For instance you have someone doing finisher, it's 900% (no dilution), then you add 50% dmg bonus it's 900% * 50% (still no dilution), then you add 50% susceptibility it's 900% * 50% * 50% (no dilution again) but what if instead of susceptibility you add another 50% dmg bonus it's 900% * (50%+50%), this is dilution as you can see it's lower than the previous one despite you adding the same amount of multiplier@oblique frost

[frozen tide]

Are we still talking abt dilution

[torn pilot]

and also even if you wanted to stick with one team and hyper invest into it, i still stand by the fact that p1 tangtang isnt a game changer. its a nice qol buff that makes ur damage better overall in a vacuum and in the context of your teams rotations

its not the same game-changing buff as something like endmins potential, which gives the entire team a 15% attack buff or yvonnes p1, which directly addresses her biggest weakness not having enough ult-gain, before p1, without making comrpomises in ur team, rotation, and/or gear

[chilly bolt]

Send help

That's my last attempt, if he doesn't get it im quitting this job

[summer flicker]

i dont get why 7s saving isnt game changing

yvonne p1 still all come down to time save

aka -1 infliction

[torn pilot]

its because tangtang still does all the same things for her team without that 7s buff

[frozen tide]

When A•B•C•D•E=X
And A+B+C+D+E=Y
To maximize X(dmg) with the limitation of Y(multiplier investment) you should invest into a b c d e equally

[torn pilot]

for yvonne its not the same

[golden rapids]

Okay I think im gonna go for the p1, since thats what would bring me joy and im not really waiting for any currently shown in-lore characters to be playable. I never had any copies of limited character in any gacha game and it would be cool to finally achieve it for the first time so yes, im pretty sure ill be sticking to the team for quite a time and the game is so rewarding that ill for sure get enough again to guarentee any future character Ill like, also its good opportunity since we rarely see a good single copy character so yes, that my summary of this chat help since im already half way

Thanks chat

[torn pilot]

she doesnt get the same luxuries without p1

[summer flicker]

if tangtang is in yvonne team: the bottle neck is not yvonne energy, its tangtang combo skill

[pallid phoenix]

10 sec tangtang combo is fun

[torn pilot]

stopp stoppppp ur making me want to pull for it

this is a dangerous discussion

[summer flicker]

??? you said yvonne p1 is game changing because she can get more energy, but that also mean shorter rotation, aka different rotation
tangtang p1 is still game changing because it change your rot, save you time

[torn pilot]

for my accoutns wellbeing

[torn pilot]

good luck chief i hope it goes well for you

[oblique frost]

I understand that but the point is there is no dilution in other multipliers than the 900%, whereas the video suggests there is starting 200%

[drifting quest]

This is just wrong, but because you wont elaborate I do not know why you think this

Om necropost

Oh dialogue is still going

[summer flicker]

i you dont want, just skip tangtang p1, tangtang p1 is just peak qol, good, and open up new rotation for tangtang mdps and tangtang support

[chilly bolt]

I love numbers with no context

[summer flicker]

no context number

[drifting quest]

The 200% was an example, not a place where it begins

[frozen tide]

Part of the culture atp

[drifting quest]

Dilution exists at all amounts

[torn pilot]

uggg yeah i geuss ur right

[drifting quest]

10>20% damage% is diluted

100>200% is diluted more

[frozen tide]

Dilution is a matter of relative increase ratio

[golden rapids]

I still dunno the rotations tho, is it already figured out or I gotta wait a couple of days? (LR, Xaihi, Gilberta and TT) My Gilberta eats the ''Cryo affected thing'' applied on enemies which triggers LR intro, so honestly idk if I just stop using Gilberta skill and just ultimate for the Santza buff

[drifting quest]

1000>2000% is diluted too

[twilit quail]

what is the point of this? it's not like we can ever shift anything away from the multiplier into another multiplicative zone

[summer flicker]

just dont pull

[oblique frost]

Practicallly nothing above 900% matters so

[twilit quail]

we can change the other zones with gear & such

[golden rapids]

Thank you

[twilit quail]

but we can never change the ability multiplier

so what is the goal of any of this

[drifting quest]

Either miscommunication or they think no dilution occurs at all with high enough ability mult

[frozen tide]

Oh wait

Maybe hes talking abt

Mult increase mult

From like pots?*

🤔

Like chen and rite p3

[twilit quail]

ok i see we're grasping at straws already

[frozen tide]

Which is still confusing

[chilly bolt]

Isn't that categorized as special mult?

[frozen tide]

Yesnt

Effectively is

[oblique frost]

U guys just lost common sense

[frozen tide]

Bait used to be believable

.looksinside

Bruh

.lookinside

[crystal coral]

https://media.discordapp.net/attachments/956086663447207956/1460761780866519173/T3R.png?ex=696817ec&is=6966c66c&hm=513939e651da4684d6bdcc0e9f34ed325e5410f4168763af633d92aa9e3de81c&=&format=webp&quality=lossless&width=406&height=404

[frozen tide]

Text says "Looks inside" but command is "lookinside"

[drifting quest]

Can you try to explain your pov with as much detail as possible so we can attempt to understand

[chilly bolt]

So it's just another mult type

[frozen tide]

Yeahhhhh well

Effectively yes

Mult mult

[mystic halo]

ok i don't know what that guy is on about

move on

[chilly bolt]

mod appreared

[drifting quest]

If I may ask whats the point in moving on
No other questions rn
If they're genuinely unaware we should try to help

If theyre baiting theyre baiting cant stop that

I can never tell with bait though

[inland quarry]

Maygi mentioned that lr+tt team has stagger issues with perlica, I wonder how ardelia would perform?

Her ult has good stagger iirc

[twilit quail]

needs sp to do anything

bad

that's it

[frozen tide]

Doesn't that like

Apply to literally every team

[twilit quail]

eyja ult also is also just gambling in terms of stagger

[twilit quail]

no

lol

[urban plaza]

Perlica and Gilberta both do stuff "for free"

[twilit quail]

we have already 3 chars who dont function if they dont use SP

two of them need two bars at least

we add in another unit who also needs another

and it's like

[frozen tide]

Tt lr just splits original lr sp usage right

[inland quarry]

Not necessarily. I've seen rots that use her ult to apply infliction w/o sp

[frozen tide]

Huh

Just one tt bs per ult for susc then?

Makes sense

[sterile herald]

wtw on tc tables

i been itching to see

[frozen tide]

Also just making sure

Only source of susc from tang

Is bs right

[glass birch]

BS and diving ult; but thats just a free BS cast w/o the SP refund

[frozen tide]

Icic

I wasn't sure if the ult did

[urban plaza]

The ult itself doesnt

[frozen tide]

🤔

[urban plaza]

Its only via the battle skill effect part of the ult

[drifting quest]

(talent 2)

[glass birch]

as I said; it's a free BS cast when you dive to end ult early. It's 0 SP cost and 0 SP return

[urban plaza]

Yes, I was just clarifying
Cause someone who asks if the ult does might not know

And assume you get it by just pressing ult at the start of battle

[frozen tide]

Also does tts bs susc stack effects stack

The 5 percent and 10 percent

[dusk isle]

yes

oh wait

[glass birch]

It should replace itself

[frozen tide]

So 3 stack bs is 15 percent?

[dusk isle]

i dont think it does

[glass birch]

Since its the same effect with a different potency

[dusk isle]

im a little lightheaded, i just understood as the 5% + 5% mb

[glass birch]

1 whirlpool consumed is 5%, 2 whirlpools is 10%, and if you have P3 (I think it's p3? It's one of the potentials) its 10-15%

[manic jay]

does anyone know if Ake link buff is higher for battle skills and how much ?

[glass birch]

Its like w/ Ardelia's Susceptibility. Re-applying it replacing the existing effect

[glass birch]

30% for BS and 20% for ult

Same with Lifeng's Link. Thats universal for Link

[manic jay]

nice ty

[frozen tide]

Is the only way to get max susc with tt to use 2 cs?

[worn loom]

new non-set gear lets you hit 1k int with laev at pot 0

[frozen tide]

Kinda annoying with the cd being 12 secs without pots

[glass birch]

They last 30s so its not that bad

[worn loom]

i wonder if thats enough to close the ~4% gap between int max vs hotwork laev

[frozen tide]

I'm just thinking from the perspective of 0 ult start till ult timeline with lr

I doubt flawless rot can fit in 2 tt cs

[glass birch]

Hotwork Lae also got the same chest piece that the max int set up is using so theres 0 change

[frozen tide]

Without p1

[worn loom]

right

[daring dove]

Wow 30 people will win 5 bucks each!

Really pushing the boat out here

[buoyant yoke]

can't even guarantee a character with the total of their expenses

[valid zealot]

Small indie company don't judge them.

[summer flicker]

yes

tangtang with 12s is the limit for yvonne rot

it used to be yvonne ult energy being the limit, but now its tangtang combo cd

[frozen tide]

get her p1

smh

[tranquil cedar]

don't

I used 240 pull for P1 just don't try

[summer flicker]

i used 300 pull for p4

im sad

[potent hornet]

i'm working on that 240 for p1 i feel ya

[summer flicker]

hope can get her p5

[potent hornet]

i got spooked by Gilberta for her P1

[tranquil cedar]

I wanted to go p5 but this luck kill any attempt

[potent hornet]

so i'm not mad

[tranquil cedar]

Like 2 pity is enough to kill all my spending for now

[potent hornet]

yea i was hoping for the same

[tranquil cedar]

It's fine P5 will wait rerun

[potent hornet]

my luck only applies to LR apparently

[tranquil cedar]

[potent hornet]

got p6 LR after i started pulling after i got the first copy of TangTang

[tranquil cedar]

I got spook only for 1 yvonne and no gilberta, sometime gacha luck is not there

[potent hornet]

yerp

its ok. i got her gun and the base copy. i need p1 sadly so there will be more money spent when the paycheck hits

i'm close to another 50/50 so we will see if i get lucky enough

[tranquil cedar]

At least I don't regret the hard pulling cause i have no character i am interested for now

[potent hornet]

ideally i get the token and then my pity pops and hopefully i win

[summer flicker]

same

i did want rossi but noteam to play her rn

at best i pull her when she rerun to have her playable

[tranquil cedar]

next pity is 240 wtf hypergryphe

[potent hornet]

i'm gonna try to get a base copy of rossi at least

unless her sig is like super busted i won't need to pull for it

[tranquil cedar]

I can finally focus on team now i won't roll for a while

[potent hornet]

since we have the new BP weapon

i have been pretty much all cryo so 3 cryo teams are pretty much built already

i have a functional Laev team, not crazy investment but it has all the pieces

[tranquil cedar]

I mean pushing harder to m12s and echting

[potent hornet]

yea i just need to finish off TangTangs mastery requirements and some artificing, essence is done

[tranquil cedar]

My shatter team is fun but damage was not there xd

[potent hornet]

to be honest i haven't attempted a shatter team

[tranquil cedar]

I did this cause it's an easy MC team to build

I just happen to really like the team

[kind nebula]

i dont think its a pity, im pretty sure it just gives you the token w/o resetting the 80 pity either (i might be mistaken tho)

[tranquil cedar]

Yeah technically it doesn't reset

[potent hornet]

haven't really figured out what i want to do with endmin, i don't really feel the need to invest in them yet, especially because we won't have the other potential levels for a while

[tranquil cedar]

But i failed 5 50/50 in the 240 pull

[kind nebula]

its objectively a pity but its a lot nicer than a pity

[tranquil cedar]

I don't invest in Endmin cause it's efficient. I invest in Endmin cause playing as MC in story is cool

And I still manage to get all reward with my shitty team (except trim) so all good

[honest hill]

I am itching to artifice tt gear

still waiting

[potent hornet]

i did most of mine already

i can't be too far off on what i'm running

[honest hill]

I'm just waiting for the final gears

since it can change

[tranquil cedar]

I didn't buy enough itching pot to do TT

I am artifcing LR for now

Btw does LR chest changed with new gear?

I don't think we have a new strengh chest

[honest hill]

nah

still the same

[potent hornet]

i still use the ult chest

[honest hill]

ye frontier ult dmg

[tranquil cedar]

Still hard to improv

cause no strengh chest

[potent hornet]

ehhh, she has other gear options for doing speedrunny stuff

you can dump a ton into combo dmg and still have respectable base attack

[tranquil cedar]

I trust myself to fuck up anyways speedrun strat

[honest hill]

wish they added one

[tranquil cedar]

Probably next patch

[potent hornet]

Last Rights speed run isn't really that complicated anymore

[honest hill]

ye tt exists

[potent hornet]

wasn't really complicated to begin with

[honest hill]

she destroys

[potent hornet]

just longer

you could 1 phase before TangTang with the combo dmg setup

[tranquil cedar]

To not underestimate my capability to fucked up my button pressing order

Or to be fair, actually fucked up the auto final strike set up

[potent hornet]

not getting hit usually is a requirement to do speedruns succesfully

*Stares at Ember

[honest hill]

I wonder if lynx slab is better than mi security gloves build for tt

[tranquil cedar]

Also why people are using ardelia with LR right now?

and not other option

[honest hill]

now?

she was always used

lol

[potent hornet]

she is good if you don't have tangtang

[honest hill]

u can use her for stagger rhodagn

[potent hornet]

the bonus is her battle skill ability when corrosion is up

[tranquil cedar]

So she is used for stagger?

[potent hornet]

and dmg pump

[tranquil cedar]

cause we have 3 nature option so i am just wondering why her and not the other

[honest hill]

only against rhodagn ye stagger and dmg through arts susc

[drifting quest]

slab has no main or sec stat for tt so all you get is main att%

[honest hill]

is it worse then

[tranquil cedar]

How much on field TT vs LR affect damage?

[drifting quest]

you trade 98.7% skill damage, 42 agi, 27 str for 26.9% main att% and 24.9% cryo damage%

[honest hill]

so is the current build the best then

[tranquil cedar]

Cause I feel it's easier to not get interrupt with TT

[honest hill]

i don't see how it can be better

[drifting quest]

net loss of ~75% skill damage% (main damage share) and 26.4% stat att% for a variable amount of main att%

[honest hill]

the current bonekrusha/mi gloves is the best build for her w sig but it can change

I wonder how long it will take

[drifting quest]

your slab needs to give 53 agility to match the lost attribute attack%, then further more to match the lost damage%

[honest hill]

so it's worse

[summer flicker]

slab for mdps tt, bone kit for sub dps tt iirc

[drifting quest]

at 26.9% main att% that's pretty easy to do for the attribute%, but a lot harder to do for the damage%
im sure there's potentially edge case stuff where with enough external attack % from stanza, thermite, sig, etc. slab can potentially win out

[honest hill]

hm

[drifting quest]

but id need to see calcs to know exactly at what point that is

[honest hill]

my stanza is now P4

[drifting quest]

since external damage% needs to be considered too

[honest hill]

yeah..

[drifting quest]

given ive seen more calcs assuming mi gloves than slab id expect it leans in favour of gloves

but i wouldnt say with certainty

[honest hill]

what about full bonekrusha

[drifting quest]

bonekrusha gloves are a direct downgrade from mi gloves

[honest hill]

ah okay

[drifting quest]

if bonekrusha gloves werent a downgrade slab would be better

objectively

[honest hill]

I mean w current build it's 117% bs dmg% w no artifice

that's higher than my avy

[vestal sinew]

does anyone know if the best rotation for laev,akekuri,wulfgard and gilberta would want gilb to use stanza or her sig?

[frozen tide]

Sig is useless if you can hit 1 cs ult bp without it

Dunno what the bp number is

[vernal panther]

For Yvonne, are the new MI Security Gloves T1 better than the Hands PPE version?
Cause the main stat does swap around from PPE's Intellect main and Agility Secondary. But in turn you get Ult DMG boost rather than PPE's Basic ATk boost?

[drifting berry]

Yvonne ult escales of Basic ATK dmg%

Not sure what the percentages for each are but since it boost both ult and Basic attack is the best options

[vernal panther]

Right but the numbers make me kinda on the fence. Cause PPE's Basic ATK boost is 23% and Gloves T1 Ult DMG boost is 43.1%

[drifting berry]

If I'm correct Ult DMG boost shouldn't even work with Yvonne

[summer flicker]

yvonne dont deal ult dmg

her ult is an enhanced basic attack state

kekw

[vernal panther]

Ahhhhhhhhhhh

[drifting berry]

Like this is the reason why Link doesn't work with her

[vernal panther]

Im dumb LOL

[vernal panther]

link?

[summer flicker]

akekuri ult

[drifting berry]

Akekuri ult gives link

[summer flicker]

give link, only buff 1 move, but lae and yvonne ult is considered a state

[vernal panther]

Oh and Themite Cutter

[summer flicker]

so link not buff that

[vernal panther]

I seee

Man i should probably actually read Yvonne ult LOL

[summer flicker]

.cantread

[crystal coral]

https://media.discordapp.net/attachments/956086663447207956/1475997022615113900/cantread.gif?ex=699f84d8&is=699e3358&hm=f283e9f64e009c1dbd4556362116e277bbaaf6f50e83895e5c641e76003299d2&=&width=1080&height=728

[swift tundra]

is there a team dmg calc sheet on full arts intensity/ult gain efficiency Pog with Fortmaker vs. New Frontiers set with Will + Pog Sig/Thermite Cutter?

[fiery obsidian]

Can Tangtang’s Arts Susceptibility from her skill stack with itself?
What I mean is, in a normal rotation after using her Combat Skill → Basic Skill, she applies 10% Arts Susceptibility. Then her Ultimate automatically triggers the skill again.

So does that automatic activation also apply another Arts Susceptibility effect?
For example, if it adds another 5%, would the total Arts Susceptibility she applies become 15%?

[summer flicker]

no

and you want double cs for the damage too

[stable inlet]

Am I correct in interpreting that there's essentially two types of SP: normal SP, return SP. Returned SP is always used first. And normal SP will cover the remaining cost and generate a prorated amount of ult charge?
A skill with "return SP" effects will still generate 6.5 ult charge but the next skill used will suffer the returned SP effect?

[normal tangle]

that is all correct, yes

[stable inlet]

Tyty

[fiery obsidian]

but why can’t it stack? I’m trying to understand her kit, but I don’t see any restriction mentioned.

“Waterspouts created this way have the same effects as those created by the battle skill IMA WAVERIDAAH! and gain +60% DMG Dealt.”

[summer flicker]

i just test i t

no stack

[warped mauve]

For a main dps tang tang is slab or mi gloves better

[honest hill]

did u test at P5P5

[summer flicker]

im at p4 😭

you can see

from this vd

the art sus from bs

and from ult

is count as similar source

because its similar source

😭 😭

[fiery obsidian]

Ahh, so you already tested it. kinda sad it doesn’t stack :')

[outer ermine]

whel

[summer flicker]

the boss go to 2nd phase

when im just chilling test

bruh

[fiery obsidian]

Thanks for trying it.

[vestal sinew]

can someone remind me whats the last best slot for LR,xaihi tang tang,is it perlica or gilb?

[drifting quest]

both work, perlica is comfier for most people

[warped sorrel]

what is art intensity and it calculation

[vestal sinew]

is gilbertta less comfy?

[drifting quest]

not always, but for some

[bronze plume]

me when the preference is personal

[drifting quest]

https://endfield.wiki.gg/wiki/Arts_Intensity

[warped sorrel]

thank

[vestal sinew]

is there like one that is better than the other or are they same level?

[bronze plume]

must of been the wind

[vestal sinew]

i know they said its preference but there is always one that is better than the other even if by a small amount

[bronze plume]

gang

wasnt referring to that

[vestal sinew]

oop

mb

[outer ermine]

man theres no good lr tt ruan clears yet

[torn pilot]

last rite is ass

catcher the goat

[outer ermine]

https://tenor.com/view/panto-pt-ajitani-hifumi-hifumi-blue-archive-gif-16817230695535296570

im 7s off the 66s yvonne clear sadge

faster on p1, shit rng on p2, slower on p3

[honest hill]

66s clear against triag?

what in the whel acc

[outer ermine]

ruan

[honest hill]

still

what a whel

who's funding u

[outer ermine]

dorito is like 50s lol

[honest hill]

[outer ermine]

b4 tt

[honest hill]

I been convinced u a whel

prob p5p5 tt

[outer ermine]

fake news, im just piloting striker acc

[honest hill]

oh

makes sense

[outer ermine]

[honest hill]

mobile gamer

[outer ermine]

cant play on pc for a few days

getting used to mobile tho

[honest hill]

damn

[outer ermine]

unnecessary crit i only need 900k from lr there

crit on p3 instead so i can oneshot

[honest hill]

Oh ye

1 shot there is better

[outer ermine]

theres literally no setup aside from 4 staccing cryo fast af and pray to god it kills

[neon knot]

i like this build alot

[outer ermine]

could cope w xai ult but i think i can 65s w/o

ill wait ig

[summer flicker]

pray better

[outer ermine]

[honest hill]

okay whel

back to sleep u go

[kind nebula]

which instance takes priority then?

[pale kettle]

Guys, why doesn't +DMG Cryo increase the damage of Tang Tang battle skill?

Is anyone testing her?

Her weapon passive doesn't increase her skill damage, the +30% Cryo Damage buff
is this correct?

[summer flicker]

if its 10%

and if you ult and apply the 5% art sus

it do nothing

[kind nebula]

if you apply a 5% one and then apply a 10% which one takes priority?

i.e. does the larger stack or the first stack take priority

[summer flicker]

if you apply 5%, and apply 5% it refresh duration

i would assume the 10% override that

[kind nebula]

thanks

[vestal sinew]

does anyone know ideal rotation for laev,akekuri,wolfgard and gilberta? and would that ideal rotation need gilb to use sig or stanza?

[kind nebula]

i see, thanks

[honest hill]

watch and learn https://youtu.be/Q_xu5hOcK8g?si=giZcLIDju4ToLBzF

[gritty olive]

theres a buff below your hp

kinda seeing its ice icon. so the skill cast automatically gives you that buff

[valid palm]

what on earth is that username

[vestal sinew]

tyyyyy

[honest hill]

he's a fan

[pale kettle]

So both casts took advantage of the buff?

[gritty olive]

im one of the earliest peoples here

[gritty olive]

yeah cast = hit enemy already = buff alr active

you can also check if you alr have cryo dmg before and after

or basic attack -> skill -> basic attack

you should see a change

[pale kettle]

Yes, I did that test, I was just unsure if the first cast (which activates the buff) actually benefited from the buff.

ty

[vestal sinew]

they use signature... but ppl in help channel were telling me to use stanza,ughhh why is there so many mixed answers...

[honest hill]

u don't need sig stanza is very good as is, pull sig if u want

[vestal sinew]

which is best tho... cause i got both,but i wanna use only the best one

[honest hill]

u asked for rotation

[honest hill]

then use the sig