theorycrafting

[summer flicker]

ye

[daring dove]

Say that one more time.

[main nova]

this one

look at that color pick

[viscid mortar]

who would be best as 4th with yvonne tangtang and xaihi

[main nova]

and the patern in tang2 accessories

does it not ressemble her patern

but yeah tang2 is dum one

[lilac bloom]

i gotta figure out the tangtang last rite rotation fuck

[lilac bloom]

british woman and her chinese descendant

it is the chinese century after all

[molten star]

Gilbert + perlica vs tang tang + perlica for yvone?

[summer flicker]

goodluck xddd

[lilac bloom]

i dont have yvonne bc i wasnt all too interested

😔

[dry kindle]

Only the 1?

[native flower]

does laev's battle skill actually benefit from the set bonus of hot work?

[lilac bloom]

also her weapon situation was horrible

[dry kindle]

Triggering hit no

[lilac bloom]

the bp weapon for her was so ass 😭

[ocean hawk]

wait what

[dry kindle]

Is there another boss or nah

[lilac bloom]

and im still wedgeless but on my third deto unit

[dry kindle]

L

What's weekly wep

[lilac bloom]

idk

[ocean hawk]

idk, im taking a rest rn, after fighting him (story part)

[dry kindle]

🗿

[lilac bloom]

i kinda want chivalric for xaihi now that im doing cryo

[lilac bloom]

im not on my computer 😭

[heady pine]

oblivion

[dry kindle]

🗿

Dies

[lilac bloom]

what is the weekly wep tho

[rigid falcon]

Is the update out?
If it is, what are the new gear stats

[tight haven]

theres like

12

you had best log in and look for yourself, idt anyone has compiled them yet(?)

[outer ermine]

[bronze plume]

thankfully the new gear comps are ez af

[viscid mortar]

do you need to do the quest to get the new gears?

[bronze plume]

yesish

you need to upgrade the stock redis to be able to buy some with stock bills

rest are gotten from the new area

[jagged wedge]

tasty bombs

[lilac bloom]

oh wait

[proud vector]

What if you bomb the bombs

Does it game over you

[lilac bloom]

@summer flicker how does p1 affect tangtang ult gain

[quaint matrix]

man my downloading speed sucks so much.that's sade

[lilac bloom]

nvm i dont think it does

mb

[quaint matrix]

are new sets any good btw?

[main nova]

losing 50/50 adn got Adel, not bad but it still pain nonetheless

[tight haven]

WHATadel

[main nova]

WAVERIDAAAAAH

[lilac bloom]

stupid wet cat shes great

https://tenor.com/view/cat-wet-shower-bath-water-pouring-gif-17140437

[umbral galleon]

Fellow p1 ardelia holders

[main nova]

mine p3

i lose kinda alot

[lilac bloom]

i got p1 lifeng but im actually happy about it because it makes skill order in phys so much more flexible

[umbral galleon]

I lost mine to LR

[main nova]

but since its ardel im not really in painful state but it still pain

[compact bridge]

I believe ardelia will be my ticket for getting khravenger

[thorn ibex]

did yvonne's team change with tangtang?

[main nova]

[quartz horizon]

yeah. tangtang's now in it

[thorn ibex]

so just gilberta tangtang xaihi?
how do you do rot?

[summer flicker]

huh, let me see

[willow blade]

to paraphrase the pined doc: yvonne needs a cyro applicator that can be easly timed for better combos only if it does not buff lr as then you will just fucking play lr

[summer flicker]

oh

[cold bane]

does tangtang fit into LR team?

[quartz horizon]

rot no idea i just spam whatever- its worked thus far

[lilac bloom]

return doesnt do anything for ult right

its only the refund

[summer flicker]

you need 30% instead of 28.8%

kekw

still you ahve enough ult energy

with that anyway

[lilac bloom]

alr

wait

[summer flicker]

26.7 (glove) + 7 = 33.7

its enough

[lilac bloom]

why did it go up 😭

[potent hornet]

wait i thought they said they were adding more basic permits

[summer flicker]

because: sp refund is notcount toward your ult gain

kekw

[lilac bloom]

ok yea

[thorn ibex]

how much better is tangtang's sig compared to like wedge

[river ermine]

refund is the same as return

[lilac bloom]

i think its significant bc it boosts both her dmg and susceptibility proc

[bronze plume]

fun fact

you dont upgrade the purity of ferrium with the new development levels

so you are still not getting enuf ferrium

and now

not enuf cuprium

W

[lilac bloom]

wait, the nodes werent upgraded?

[bronze plume]

not the ferrium one

because thats in wuling

[lilac bloom]

wuling factory still blows :/

[bronze plume]

only valley nodes are upgraded

[lilac bloom]

oh my god

[elfin smelt]

do we have enuf to reach the purity increase

[bronze plume]

no

thats why i said you dont upgrade the purity of ferrium

[lilac bloom]

at least we have 2 new forges for xiranite

[elfin smelt]

that's interesting, more doomposts incoming

[lilac bloom]

im gonna make gear parts en masse now

im ngl the updates to aic look stupid as fuck

[bronze plume]

the best part is the new water system

dont need to have a bunch of stupid water pipes in the base

[lilac bloom]

bluetooth water 🔥

[bronze plume]

its not bluetooth

its underground

[flat glen]

Any feelscrafting for best set for soup?

[lilac bloom]

that makes more sense

i saw a chatter in maygi stream call it wireless so i was joking about it being bluetooth lmao

[elfin smelt]

underground redbull

[bronze plume]

the worst thing tho

[willow blade]

still calling it bluetooth

[bronze plume]

is that the new batteries

need

so much

[lilac bloom]

you need to use the reactor crucible 3 times for the same bullshit liquid

[bronze plume]

you also need

4 dense originium powder every 1 second

[lilac bloom]

thank you light zhong

you HACK

[bronze plume]

do make 1 every second

you need 2 of the reactor cubeds

[lilac bloom]

yeah im not messing with that while the other wuling batteries

[bronze plume]

and 8 total origium shredders

oh and it uses ferrium

[lilac bloom]

???

[bronze plume]

oh and the new gear needs ferrium

[lilac bloom]

im not making anymore yazhen ig

[bronze plume]

and we where already ferrium not have enuf

now you get less

[lilac bloom]

the stockade doesnt need medicine

nope

[bronze plume]

the new healing needs ferrium

[lilac bloom]

they can die of illness is what im saying

[bronze plume]

nope it doesnt wrong one

it needs cuprium

but you already dont have enuf cuprium so

[next helm]

After gear you swap to medicine I guess

[bronze plume]

no wait

cuprium is chilling

you get

30 more cuprium then you do ferrium

ferrium got gapped

[next helm]

Ferrium from valley included?

[bronze plume]

naur

that would make it

lkike 15 ish more cuprium

bro

the new batteries are so ass

[lilac bloom]

the transfer isnt fast enough anyways

[bronze plume]

them needing 4 dense powder a 2nd means you need 2 plant shredder units

[lilac bloom]

and i maxed out my ferrium usage for stock bills

[bronze plume]

cuz you need 4 a second

[next helm]

Meta storage creates it out of thin air

[bronze plume]

not 3

and each 1 does 3

so the 2nd one is only running at 1/3

[next helm]

If it didn't change

[bronze plume]

who made this

im going to theorycraft a hammer into the factory team

[lilac bloom]

i seriously dont understand them not adding like, 2 new ferrium nodes

that wouldve solved everything

[bronze plume]

or upgrading the current one with one of the new levels

[lilac bloom]

yea

[bronze plume]

so the new battery is

[lilac bloom]

how much power does it give compared to the og battery

[bronze plume]

xiranite with water = liquid xiranite
liquid xiranite with sewage (for some reason) = xircon effluent
xircon effluent with ferrium powder = xircon
xircon + dense originium powder = battery

[bronze plume]

3200

flat 2x

[elfin smelt]

gated until 1.2 🥀

[lilac bloom]

trash

[bronze plume]

it needs

originum, ferrium, xiranite and cuprium

this battery is collecting the thanos stones of the factory

[willow blade]

there are 3 free limited time pulls in 2 days, should I pull 40 times wait for the 3 pulls, use the 3 pulls(hit 6* hardpity if i did not) or wait for the 3 pulls before pulling at all?

[lilac bloom]

imagine if we had an amethyst node

[bronze plume]

wait for the 3

you need

[lilac bloom]

wait for the 3, did you get the 5 from the shop already

[willow blade]

ofc i already did the 7 pulls (got a wolf, and also got a wolf from the 4 basic pulls from etch so now i got p5 w)

[bronze plume]

8 shredding units just for the originium alone if you want to make the new battery 1 every 10 seconds

thats

so cool!

[lilac bloom]

coke addict on the dev team cant stop thinking of powder

[unreal light]

Damn wtf are those new kits

why are they twice as strong lmao

[echo cove]

so is stagger gil actually good now?

u can defo reach 100 ai w it

[proud vector]

Ehhh?

[unreal light]

new kits

[proud vector]

I thought they were lv 70 like the old ones

Are they not?

[unreal light]

they are

I'm talking about offset kits

[proud vector]

O

[unreal light]

they're lvl70

[covert summit]

other than her signature, what weapon is good for tangtang?

[unreal light]

but 1.0 offset kits were +43 stat

and 1.1 offset kits are +86 stat

lmao

[proud vector]

Holy

[unreal light]

wedge

[elfin smelt]

they did an oopsie

[fringe pulsar]

umm, isn't bp weapon like very good for kitty?

[echo cove]

whatoffkit set

[unreal light]

offset kit

any

[proud vector]

Quick use them to artifice mainstat

Before they realise the oopsie

[unreal light]

oh wait

that's my bad

no

hahahahaha

they're not kits

lmao

they're gloves

[covert summit]

alright ty

[elfin smelt]

rip

[unreal light]

and there also are bodies +115

[proud vector]

BOOOOO

[unreal light]

so like they're forever best to artifice with

[proud vector]

At least the artificing is good yeah

Though

Offset statstick chest isn’t bad

[elfin smelt]

someone reached it though

[bronze plume]

oh it says wuling

i

am blind

W misinfo

[covert summit]

do you perhaps know how much worse wedge is?

[bronze plume]

i see

there is a more details button

good job me

[elfin smelt]

you learn new things everyday

[echo cove]

isn't navi gonna be better than wedge?

u can't even proc one of wedge's effect

[wispy shuttle]

Literally the wuling page lmao

[unreal light]

no, it's really hard to count, as sig provides incoming arts damage, and the difference depends on your entire team, dealing said damage

[covert summit]

i see

well ty

[bronze plume]

ok im

just going to make the sub pac be like

[fringe pulsar]

how much dmg is lost when using bp weapon for yvonne instead of her sig?

[bronze plume]

50 morebillion originium powder

[fringe pulsar]

and is it really noticeable?

[echo cove]

alot

80% vs 100% or sth last sumone calced

[next helm]

Thats without Potentials on the weapons

[feral fractal]

what does TC think about tangtang

[elfin smelt]

come back in a day chefs are cooking

[fringe pulsar]

damn, so I need to open up wallet a bit...

[normal tangle]

have we figured out who that +basic dmg redeemer chest is for

is it supposed to be yvonne?

[fringe pulsar]

.paypal

[crystal coral]

https://tenor.com/view/paypal-me-paypal-paypal-me-30k-perlica-arknights-gif-3472834387034500009

[normal tangle]

?

[fringe pulsar]

this bonus have good potential on ember, but stat does not match

[mighty imp]

no

[fringe pulsar]

in ember teams you just AA with her, optionally use skills

[next helm]

Lost everything so far

[hollow stream]

Whats the current best set on tangtang for a lr team?

[warped sorrel]

Ok so
Tangtang make yv team smoother but less dps?

bruh nice meta control

[normal tangle]

man i should stop visiting help channel

someone just said xaihi is useless because tangtang is better at applying cryo

[next helm]

Less yvonne dps or less team dps

[fringe pulsar]

but xaihi is not for applying cryo, she's for amp

[outer ermine]

holy shit this recrisis

[elfin smelt]

there's always noises at the start of every patch

I mean they're at the right channel cos their brain needs help

[shrewd saffron]

wait how did someone reach 8?

[elfin smelt]

they upgraded everything I assume

[shrewd saffron]

I connected all the minners, what can you upgrade outside of the stock exchange?

[elfin smelt]

click on the source at the right bottom

[dry mason]

@dry kindle

[elfin smelt]

or more details

I forgor the name

[dry mason]

Tangtang Bonecrusher build ?

[dry kindle]

Fund me

[elfin smelt]

but it tells you what source you're missing

[dry mason]

Only Agi Str on Bonecrusher

And some mix pierce

This one might be goat for Tangtang too

[trail umbra]

Bonekrusha 3 set
Wearer's ATK +15%
When the wearer casts a combo skill, gain 1 stack of Bonekrushing Smash that grants the wearer's next battle skill DMG +30%. Bonekrushing Smash can stack 2 time(s).
T2 Kit +21 str, +32 Agi, +41% Battle Skill
T1 Wristband +43 str, +65 Agi, +19.20% Cryo dmg

Then use new Yinglung chest as off-piece that gives
AGI+87 STR+58, ult gain+12.32%(+16.02%)

it might be better than having full Yinglung set or full bonekrusha on Tang Tang yes?

[rare bobcat]

does anyone already calculated or know if lae uses any of the new gears?

[tight haven]

redeemer ult chest yes

for ult laev

[dry mason]

Im thinking about the new non-set glove above

[next helm]

What does redeemer change over tide?

[tight haven]

higher int

[next helm]

Just int alright

[trail umbra]

mmmmmmmm but ult gain would be nice tho

[tight haven]

slightly higher ult gain%

but its not really relevant

[dry mason]

There's an ult gain Bonecrusher armor ?

[trail umbra]

the new one yes

its also Agi main, Str sub

[dry mason]

2 masks + mix glove + armor

Should work

[trail umbra]

i tried this cuz of 3 bonekrusha set effect

[dry mason]

Aight I need to steal blueprints to make these cooks work

[summer flicker]

dont you want like battle skill dmg

[dry mason]

[dry mason]

2 battle skill Masks

[trail umbra]

considering she spams a lot of bs yeah

[dry mason]

But

Mostly

You want to use Ult to deal BS DMG

Higher dmg, no SP cost

So ult recharge could be nice

[summer flicker]

then why you discuss ult dmg bonus glove

[dry mason]

Cause you're using Ult anw

And high Agi scale

[summer flicker]

you just sac the glove for ult gain

[dry mason]

But just my thought

I need to steal blue prints first

[summer flicker]

and i think all the ult dmg is battle skill(feel craft)

[shrewd saffron]

👀 can't find this one

[jagged wedge]

Alr now I gotta swap out all my armor

[shrewd saffron]

body piece?

[trail umbra]

body piece yeah

have you done the new story

[shrewd saffron]

yeah

[summer flicker]

assume rogue wave is like the ult dmg, and the dmgover time is for the tornado

[trail umbra]

idk where exactly it is to get, but someone datamined and it shows theres a body piece

with the effects i said

[shrewd saffron]

agi + str and cryo / electric

is the only one i can see atm

with those mainstats

[next helm]

what lvl is that

[trail umbra]

Yinglung chest

[trail umbra]

Yinglung not bonekrusha

[next helm]

240% for dive attack

Or is it 560%

[shrewd saffron]

ahh, taught it was bonekrusha

[bronze plume]

its beautiful

[next helm]

Thing will finally have a use

Instead of being a 1 output only

[compact bridge]

Is this maxed?

[elfin smelt]

probly not

maxxed is 320 - 400 - 700

[summer flicker]

no

[hollow wyvern]

any updates on tt?

anything of note?

[echo cove]

btw did anyone test if the sp return from t2 also works the same way when using dive atk ult?

free 60 sp/ult?

[main nova]

cute aoe gremlin

[main nova]

[unreal light]

bang bang

[hollow wyvern]

[molten star]

How's last rite + double T?

[main nova]

its giving more option to atatata pewpewpew

i dunno it just feels more natural to tang2 ult before yvonne for some reason

[elfin smelt]

hoping Rossi comes with a good base skill

why tangtang's has to be in growth chamber

[main nova]

perlica kinda not smooth enough transition

at least for me

[ashen scroll]

T2 and yvone really made for each other , bench on growth chamber forever

[elfin smelt]

and then there's LR for the third wheel role lmao

[main nova]

it feels as natural as laev team

it just feels right

tho miss some crit because no perlica

[elfin smelt]

1.2 patch surely is the electric's patch

surely

[umbral galleon]

Gonna be cyro again surely

[trail umbra]

for sure, hopefully fengyi drops in 1.2

[umbral galleon]

Mifu nature ples

[lyric latch]

I tried but it seens you dont get SP from her Ult

[echo cove]

ah... so u r supposed to choose between dmg from ult or sp return from bs then

noted

[hollow wyvern]

Can't return sp if it didn't cost sp

[glass wind]

Anyone tried DPS Tangtang?

[bronze plume]

this is my new top 1 "why do you exist" factory item

[compact bridge]

Planning to do that

[inland quarry]

Okay, so the waterspouts home in on enemies?

That is actually quite nice utility

[hollow wyvern]

Anyone have pics of tt pots

[odd wren]

One down

[inland quarry]

You can view them ingame

[glass wind]

Yooh.. Why is Tangtang posing her cake

[hollow wyvern]

Idk how to see them without tt

[inland quarry]

Go to her banner and preview

[hollow wyvern]

P3 not as good as we thought

[elfin smelt]

TC team vs balance team

[glass wind]

I thought we have a new Piece for MI Security Gear Pack?

[hollow wyvern]

Yeah

Bonekrusher body that ER Yvonne runs

But MI

So you can now slab with ER build

[ocean turret]

finally frontiers have will stat +phys dmg

[merry dune]

im not guna ask about tangtang quite yet specifically cuz everyone crafting but yvonne is the one who gains the most with tangtang yes? in terms of being a better unit bc of her than before

[echo hamlet]

what alternatives are u guys trying for yvonne tangtang?

im considering keeping gilberta and switching off of xaihi

[soft tendon]

whats the verdict on glorious memory for chen chat

it looks pretty damn good

[trail umbra]

absolutely

[trail umbra]

i would recommend keeping xaihi

its the actual backbone of cryo team

with tang tang in the fray its both of them

[inland quarry]

Huh, is tangtang actually a really good last rite support for aoe? Her bs applies one infliction per cast, but can do so to many enemies

It would let lr actually get off combo skills in aoe

[odd wren]

One more but i will test later xs

[outer ermine]

[winged grove]

Is it worth getting tangtang or gils wep more for yvonne team

[odd wren]

263 arts intensity with swordmancer procs

[echo hamlet]

wouldnt switching her off to alesh be better?

[elfin smelt]

can Pog use this

[echo hamlet]

cuz ull have better freeze uptime

[odd wren]

Possibly

[elfin smelt]

that stat looks good

[stone thunder]

Does Tangtang’s art sus cancel out Gilberta’s?

[lyric latch]

they stack

[warm galleon]

Bro.... got tt p1 from the two ticket from daily...

first ticket from day 2 log in

I want Yvon

[next helm]

Any TT testers know if you can use it later inside yvonnes ult

[civic wolf]

Soooooo nothing on Tangtang sig? on whether i should get it or nah?

[next helm]

With gilberta then dive attack after yvonnes ult?

[glass wind]

Sundering Steel is available right now in the shop

[next helm]

Does this item mean Pog can run swordmancer again?

[odd wren]

Possibly

[ocean turret]

yeah but frontier has a new one

will stat +phys dmg

[trail umbra]

watchout for the traffics

and the sky

[restive crescent]

anyone know tang tang bskill cskill ult stagger

[next helm]

So he can do damage himself again instead of just arts intensity bot

[civic wolf]

so whats the plan here between Yvonne and Tangtang sig?

[restive crescent]

wait im blindge nvm

[trail umbra]

you got Wedge?

[civic wolf]

Navigator

[trail umbra]

p5 at least?

[ocean turret]

yeah

[final plume]

can we auto collect from recycling center now (owls) ?

[civic wolf]

p0

Wedge and Navi isn't that different, no?

[trail umbra]

cause im ngl, wedge p0 > navigator p0

slightly better

[civic wolf]

yeah whatever, as long as it's nowhere as close as LR sig levels of bad lol

but yeah any pre-TC/TC of Tangtang sig

[lyric latch]

Planned for future update. Not available yet.

[marsh grove]

how much electrification increase our dmg? i cant find that info

on Perlica combo

[proud vector]

It’s a lv 1 electrification until you get potentials involved

[rare zodiac]

12 under p4 16 if p4

[marsh grove]

so 16 more %

[proud vector]

Before arts intensity

[rare zodiac]

If you build AI then it’s around 28~30

Which you should

[proud vector]

and then you factor in stanza

And beeg buffs

[tranquil cedar]

240 pull only P1 soup2

[marsh grove]

she is on unartificed gear with stanza

[tranquil cedar]

[marsh grove]

im debating if i want tangtang and replace Perlica

[proud vector]

Bit of a hard sell

[marsh grove]

but it feels like its not worth for Last Rite team

[proud vector]

Perlica is excellent

[trail umbra]

if you dont like tangtang then save

[marsh grove]

time freeze is nice qol for last rite since she is slow and easy to interupt but still

[compact bridge]

Its not worth it, tangtang doesnt bring anything new for last rite

[trail umbra]

dont play for meta

[keen sentinel]

is the new ult gain chest bis for ult gain laev?

[lyric latch]

I kept Perlica and replace Ardelia with Tangtang.

[trail umbra]

pick with your third leg

[keen sentinel]

not sure if its enough to skip the 2nd teammate skill

[ivory fog]

did laevatain get a new BIS gear or is it safe to artifice her old gears?

[rare zodiac]

I don’t know chef, soup doesn’t bring much buff compared to Perlica, the only thing can make her better is her personal dmg

[compact bridge]

Time freeze only 4s, and you probably want to end it early for the dive atk

[upbeat reef]

Speaking of damage, it looked kinda high on trial and game uses full damage set on Tangtang, I wonder how much her damage fully build.

[neon knot]

whats the consensus on tangtang's best gear? is it bonekrusha or something else?

[rare zodiac]

Either Bone or Xeranite

[proud vector]

Not bad, not crazy though. Not enough to be hypercarry status I think

[glass wind]

Oh the new BP sword is actually good

[upbeat reef]

Isn't Colonist best for support tangtant?

[willow blade]

WHY did the game cameout with a better ultcharge plate after i artificed tide for akekuri (idk if the better intellect stat makes it better for leav too)

[neon knot]

good for chen? i think i can straight up Pot5 one

[rare zodiac]

It’s like 0.7% more efficiency iirc

[upbeat reef]

I slapped this on her for now, will wait for some calculations

[glass wind]

Yes. Feels like the same as her BiS

[rare zodiac]

Nah frontiers Soup

[proud vector]

Ooo la la that’s a camera angle

[willow blade]

WE NEED MORE ARTIFICING CATALISTS

[marsh grove]

i dont but im a light spender so i cant pull all characters so im debating what the character can give my teams 😄

[wispy shuttle]

did you really need to artifice akekuri chest though? does it reach a new breakpoint?

[marsh grove]

i love 1 intelligence cat

but skip Tangtang, i can look at Rossi team now 😄

[glass wind]

Oh the BP Sword is made for Ultimate.

[marsh grove]

another sig for Chen

xD

[proud vector]

Chen eating good

[marsh grove]

Chen is eating good

[shrewd saffron]

been running this for max battle skill dmg, but need to do some testing tomorrow with proper numbers

[willow blade]

how good is p5 bp gun compared to tang^2's sig?

[proud vector]

Not even sure how the ultimate version of the sprouts work with battle skill% tbh

Maybe it does maybe it doesn’t, probably need testing

[glass wind]

Could work with Endmin too btw

[proud vector]

Ergh

Crush for a vuln sounds sad

[willow blade]

do we know the p5bp tang^2 gun : tang^2 p0sig?

[proud vector]

Depends a lot on team and stuff

Since her rotation changes a bit depending on teams I think?

[glass wind]

BP tangtang weapon is DPS

[proud vector]

When one of the better TC crunches numbers well know

[tawdry sorrel]

Did the new gears change anything for phys team? I currently have pog on frontier, lifeng on xiranite, and endmin and chen on swordmancer

[proud vector]

Endmin can get arts intensity on their swordmancer kit pieces now I think?

That might change things, yeah

[tawdry sorrel]

Oh crap

[ocean turret]

yup

[inland quarry]

Based on using her in the quest, it seems like tangtang is really good at boosting lr aoe. Her bs can apply cryo infliction to many enemies in a single cast, letting lr actually get off combo skills against many weaker enemies

[odd wren]

The bp weapon upgrade do we only get to make it p4?
Since the previous pass only gives us 2 universal upgrades then new pass also gives 2

[willow blade]

p0sig i am guessing is 10% sus

[tawdry sorrel]

So just for endmin and chen can stay with the old swordmancer right

[ocean turret]

yep

[glass wind]

Bruh I need an Agility + Normal Attack DMG on MI Security. 2 of them INT main

[tawdry sorrel]

Okay not as bad thank you

[proud vector]

You have a bit more flexibility on pog

[proud vector]

Since new frontier chest with energy

[proud vector]

holy overkill

Maybe it isn’t even overkill LOL

[trail umbra]

you're using that glove?

[tawdry sorrel]

thankfully I haven't really artificed his stuff yet

[proud vector]

Grand vision give lots of dmg%

[ocean turret]

and frontier kit has will + phys dmg

[odd wren]

Yeah my gv is p5

[next helm]

What to run on Pog now

[ocean turret]

the new frontier

[lyric latch]

That would be my experience if Tangtang didnt delete enemies herself. Her damage is more than enough to clear normal stuff in less than 10sec. But yeah. I am getting LR combo more often.

[odd wren]

I have 263 arts intensity now

• swordmancer lololol

[trail umbra]

isn't art intensity still better

[glass wind]

Pog with BP Weapon for more Soldier DMG

[inland quarry]

I wonder if lr+tangtang will end up being an umbral monument thing? That's about the only place with higher hp aoe enemies

[proud vector]

Hmm

Maybe

[marsh grove]

Perlice givees more buffs for LR but it seems tang is a nice qol for LR looking at numbers only both are good, since we dont have "hard" content to min max teams

[odd wren]

Can we p5 bp weapon?

[shrewd saffron]

yea

[ocean turret]

true, but the new frontier is still on testing so we wouldnt know

[odd wren]

Coz last bp is 2 upgrade box and new bp also 2 upgrade box hmmm

[glass wind]

After 5 patches

the first 3

[marsh grove]

now im thinking about Rossi team what should be good if i want to control Rossi

[empty flower]

Anyone know what is best pog gear right now?

[odd wren]

So can only p4 the new ones yeah?

[next helm]

Don't you just run swordmancer body for ult% 2x arts intensity swordmancer and a flex glove?

[lyric latch]

I kept Perlica with LR Xaihi TT but for Umbral maybe I will replace Perlica with Arde if needed

[glass wind]

It looks like they gonna keep adding weapons every patch

[ocean turret]

i think sword manser can work on pog now too

[wispy shuttle]

wouldnt conclude that just yet

[ocean turret]

if you ignore stats

[trail umbra]

try using T2 Kit and T1 Wristband from Bonecrusher, and then new Yinglung chest that give ult gain

[odd wren]

Welp

[empty flower]

Sword mancer? Does that sacrifice his ult eff?

[glass wind]

How u gonna P5 the other ones if they remove it

[wispy shuttle]

the potential boxes

[next helm]

This is what Pog ran before but with better stats + a set

[glass wind]

I still dont know what to build on Rossi. The stats in MI is kinda

[empty flower]

You have to start with pog skill with this right?

[marsh grove]

that can work too

[next helm]

Breached is a phys status too

[ocean turret]

the lack of stat worries me

just my take

[empty flower]

Ah right

[next helm]

Rn on Pog we run int on most gearpieces

and a set that gives nothing

Okay it gives 30 arts intens

[glass wind]

Ult Gain Efficiency should have be in MI Security not in Swordmancer

[ocean turret]

were giving us a hard time getting a good set for pog bro

if they give us art intensity frontier ill take it

[glass wind]

How bout Type 50

[civic wolf]

so is Tangtang sig worth it or nah

[glass wind]

Looks like a supp weapon. It debuffs enemy

It also has its own buff on herself

[civic wolf]

so just Tangtang being a hybrid then

what im realyl wondering if its worth more than Yvonne sig

[glass wind]

man most of the weapon in the Handcannon are DPS

[civic wolf]

even Tangtang BP is DPS lol

[glass wind]

I think they want u to Main her

[civic wolf]

but i have Yvonne and Gilberta tho

[ocean turret]

i use type 50

[civic wolf]

im going premium and Tangtang's gonna like it

[soft tendon]

yes

pretty much replaces tide armor

in every build actually

[civic wolf]

💀

[wispy shuttle]

idk if tide chest LR is still a thing, but I imagine you want to still use tide there

[soft tendon]

2 artifices vs 6 and its barely a 30 atk gap lol

[willow blade]

what about the strength stat? does the extra intellect compensate for the lack of strength, and does the small extra ult charge hit a new milestone?

[marsh grove]

Rossi Akekuri Endmin and Ardelia might be a good team afterall

[willow blade]

I have a full 9 artificed tide how will that compare to the new one who can only max artifice 6

[honest hill]

Honestly if u alr have it maxed artificed then there's no point

[willow blade]

i will do everything for that +0.1%

[honest hill]

[marsh grove]

min maxing at full potential

😄

[keen sentinel]

it gives overall more atk since int is better

[rare zodiac]

I think it have like a few higher atk and 0.7% more efficiency

[trail umbra]

[wispy shuttle]

its 36 int gained (+18% attrib atk) vs 75 str lost (-15% attrib atk)

[soft tendon]

it does compensate, im not sure about the ult charge yet since i havent fully artificed it yet

[willow blade]

why do you think i max artificed the strength stats?

[rare zodiac]

Everything for dear Lae

[honest hill]

minmax

[keen sentinel]

if u hit 2 targets with combo for 30 energy it does let u skip the 2nd teammate skill

regardless its still better

[dry mist]

Is Tang tang worth for Lr?

[willow blade]

it just looks clean

[soft tendon]

@willow blade got the 3rd int arti in 2 tries

[dry mist]

Is Tang tang worth for Lr?

[soft tendon]

non set is better

[willow blade]

hm ok i am giving leavs tide to wolf (he just needs 4% more ult gain to hit his 132 milestone)

[glass wind]

I think shes good at stacking Infliction

[dry mist]

Do I pull her?

[rare zodiac]

Let hold your horse

[glass wind]

Yes.
Debuff + SP regen too

[rare zodiac]

Right now soup stock is going down

[glass wind]

Shes the Mona of Endfield

[next helm]

sp return*

[gritty olive]

[dry mist]

So do I pull or no-

Idk if she good for LR

[gritty olive]

im gonna skip hsr story to try to TC

[glass wind]

Some says she can also work on other teams

[willow blade]

wait ill give my full art tide to akekuri and give the 3ultcharge tide from ake to wolf as akekuri can use that extra int

[golden rapids]

its better to replace Perlica or Ardelia with Tangtang for LR team?

[gritty olive]

raizer im gonna need 3% of ypur brainpower

[rare zodiac]

Mostly because soup contender is Xaihi/Gilb/Perlica, whose buff/debuff is just crack

[ocean turret]

its better for wait for the final study

[willow blade]

tang^2 has sp return so idk if the return is enough that ard can use her bs then ard better if not per

[lyric latch]

I would say Ardelia

[rare zodiac]

You done with sheet?

[gritty olive]

i am not sadly

in trying to start yvonne now

[rare zodiac]

Then you need me for?

[flat glen]

What is Soupsoup's gear set

[ivory fog]

is the armor the only thing that got replaced in Laevatain's bis gear?

[soft tendon]

yes

[ivory fog]

thank you!

[lyric latch]

New Bonecrusher pieces basically

[fickle knot]

Is 1.1 mid or peak

[gritty olive]

flat rotation

like gimme a simple rotation ill implement it on yvonne

then ill put raw data on the data sheet right afyer

[rare zodiac]

Can you read end axis?

[willow blade]

mid bc it made me rebuild leav

and i am having a artificing catalist shortage

[gritty olive]

yeah sure

[rare zodiac]

Laffey rot

[next helm]

I wonder if ulting mid yvonne ult is better

[civic wolf]

i feel like one thing worth mentioning is that Tangtang is probably meant to be a hybrid damage dealer with support capabilities

[next helm]

So you can dive after yvonnes ult and have everything inside gilbertas ult

[civic wolf]

so her personal damage probably needs to be good to offset the prev supports

[flat glen]

Frontiers does not work for Tangtang right ?

[next helm]

No

[rare zodiac]

The cd reduction work

The rest no

[flat glen]

Probably not worth it over bonecrusher I imagine

It's what, 2 seconds worth of CD or so?

[main nova]

i usually wait for both gil and tang2 ult first

[rare zodiac]

But does tang dmg good? Like you need 1 CS for 1 pools and to get 3 sprouts need 2 pools, so 24s for ~1000% dmg?

Kinda ass no?

[flat glen]

I mean she's sub dps, not main dps

[rare zodiac]

I mean ass for a sub dps

Perlica do the same % with more debuff no?

[main nova]

ye perlica does more for yvonne if we talking about the raw damage

[river ermine]

if you only need 2 cs, then it would only be 1 cs cooldown is it not

[next helm]

Its been like 5 hours

[rare zodiac]

Ah yeah

[sour gazelle]

+60% pool dmg if u trigger via ult ult total mult almost reaching 3k

[next helm]

TT is almost tailor made for Yvonne

[main nova]

but tangtang just feels right

[next helm]

Game doesn't have target dummies

[sour gazelle]

there's already vid of 0+1 tang2 killing marble phase 2 with one ult

[flat glen]

TangTang damage multiplier number over a rotation is kinda like Chen?

[river ermine]

ethylene is there any new set for laev, mainly using the new hw chest

[flat glen]

And Chen's not ass by any means

[honest hill]

@summer flicker i got tt in 10 pull

[sour gazelle]

nobody is talking about the game at all rn sorry

everyone talking about the ep

[river ermine]

darn

man who cares about the ep

[rare zodiac]

The orb thingy? Doesn’t it die to almost every attack

[dry kindle]

😭

[river ermine]

phase 2 is the nefarith herself, after tentacle and orb

[sour gazelle]

usually nobody, but when it's so bad ppl care

[flat glen]

It's an more or less CN issue anyway

[river ermine]

i need a 3hw + 1 lynx laev set

but i dont want to spend to know if its good or not

[sour gazelle]

and the singer is now streaming endfield

[flat glen]

It's just their community losing their shit over an artist

[inland quarry]

Has anyone done math on lr with tangtang?

[flat glen]

How important is the Mauser C96 to TangTang vs BP weapon

[dry kindle]

🔥

[sour gazelle]

I came here to ask the difference between bp and sig, guess nobody knows any better here

[river ermine]

eh i have no interest in those either so, lmao

[sour gazelle]

I'm more into ziplines rather than the combat these days

[river ermine]

back to waiting ig

im only into building my laev

[sour gazelle]

check out my valley express

[gritty olive]

thankies

[outer ermine]

[inland quarry]

Support tangtang relies a lot on sig wep afaik

[river ermine]

damn ok lmao

support tangtang has no wep other than sig

unfortunate reality

[sour gazelle]

she seems like more of a subdps

support numbers kinda low

dmg numbers kinda high

[river ermine]

m3 is only 10% LOL

[proud vector]

She has a little life in Yvonne teams barely due to her debuffs lasting pretty long and decent enough subdps

Yvonne ult lasts a while and gilb doesn’t cover all of it

[rare zodiac]

60% is dmg% so it gonna be diluted fast,ult summon is 320% ult dive is 700%, assuming 2 pools from CS so doesn’t it roughly 2000% for all? Rather than 3000%

I think it’s good tho 2000% from just 2 CS and ult is kinda big

[glass wind]

Anyone tried Shatter Team Tangtang?

[proud vector]

Oh you mean Yvonne

Thank god, I was about to be very confused as to why phys shatter wants Tangtang

[sour gazelle]

imo that +60% means it deals 160% of the original dmg
seems weird if it adds a flat 60% regardless of skill level

[proud vector]

I think someone TC’d it to be not that bad as long as you have sig

[flat glen]

Based Mauser C96

[proud vector]

But can’t really easily save ult for CC need it for infliction to eat with Yvonne

[rare zodiac]

Nah it’s dmg%, if not it would word it more of 1.6

[flat glen]

60% would be kinda ....eh, not particularly special to worth saving for ult

[main nova]

[proud vector]

It’s pretty good tbh

[rare zodiac]

Well 60% more dmg% with no sp cost? I would take that

[leaden tartan]

So... the waterspouts triggered by Ultimate... do those still use battle skill % damage increase?

[rare zodiac]

Yea

Sprouts is BS dmg

[flat glen]

Does ult sprouts proc art susc?

[sour gazelle]

is there any tests to prove either way?

[leaden tartan]

Kit somehow polished and convoluted at the same time... combo skill activated by ultimate scales off of battle skill damage.

[lyric latch]

Yes. The only thing ult does not get is the SP refund

[river ermine]

the art susc scales on how many spouts you have i think?

[sour gazelle]

cuz I saw this https://b23.tv/MRCXKMl and the dmg seems quite good

[rare zodiac]

Can slap in a bunch of BS dmg% and see how much ult sprouts and BS sprouts dmg diff

[flat glen]

Technically you can just never ever BS with Tangtang?

[rare zodiac]

Yeah if you have enough energy

[sterile herald]

is the new bp weap comparable to sundering on chen or no

[leaden tartan]

Wouldn't you be comparing it to Rapid Ascent?

[summer flicker]

noice

[honest hill]

do u what lv and gear and skill lv I needs

[trail umbra]

if you want the exact sets.
Bonekrusha 3 set
Wearer's ATK +15%
When the wearer casts a combo skill, gain 1 stack of Bonekrushing Smash that grants the wearer's next battle skill DMG +30%. Bonekrushing Smash can stack 2 time(s).

T2 Kit +21 str, +32 Agi, +41% Battle Skill
T1 Wristband +43 str, +65 Agi, +19.20% Cryo dmg

Then use new Yinglung chest as off-piece that gives
AGI+87 STR+58, ult gain+12.32%(+16.02%)

it SHOULD be better than having full Yinglung set or full bonekrusha on Tang Tang

you DO need to do the new story and craft the new components

[honest hill]

so she's more like a sub dps then

no support gear?

[trail umbra]

skill priority is BS, CS, Ult

[honest hill]

who in her team w LR

[trail umbra]

half her contribs basically comes from her personal dmg

[trail umbra]

if with LR, you can do LR, TT, Xaihi, Perlica if single target, ardelia if you need sustain

[honest hill]

alr

[trail umbra]

as for level, treat her like you treat chen

[mortal fiber]

Do we have a sheet or something that has the max stats of gears after artificing?

[trail umbra]

i only have one for the new gears

but its not in the forms of sheets

[honest hill]

lv 80? kek

[calm iris]

is there a google chart for character builds? specifically for new girl

[inland quarry]

Is there any math on lr+t2 yet?

[trail umbra]

its pretty new there's no guide yet, but you can follow what i sent if you scroll up a bit

[summer flicker]

battle skill: m3 for 10 susc
combo: m3 for 12s cd
ult: m3 for damage

kekw

[calm iris]

ty

[summer flicker]

she a sub dps, so you want to investin her

[honest hill]

kk

[mortal fiber]

Hmm I'm trying to compute for the highest possible int for xaihi

[civic wolf]

Artzy or Tangtang sig

have both and Gilberta lol

[leaden tartan]

What weapon do you have for yvonne?

[honest hill]

before was 667 now should be 700+

[lyric latch]

Btw for anyone who doesnt know, Tangtang Spouts follow the target

[mortal fiber]

Is that with the frontiers set?

[dusk isle]

667 seems a little low, no? My xaihi has 652 with p2 deto and non-full artificed gear

[mortal fiber]

I know that sets gives 40% secondary stat

[honest hill]

p0 det is 667 pre 1.1

[hollow solar]

i suppose ardelia can replace gilberta?

[honest hill]

yes w the 2 kits

[dusk isle]

Oh p0, got it

[mortal fiber]

I see

[honest hill]

I also have P2 so I should def be able to hit 700+ ez

[peak void]

would this be new BIS for chen and endmin

[leaden tartan]

Chen, maybe. Endmin, no.

[honest hill]

as an off piece? hmmg

[peak void]

why not endmin

both agi and ult% are higher than swordmancer

even if u compare it to aethertech

[leaden tartan]

Ult% has higher contribution on chen.

[peak void]

and endmin doesnt?

doubt that

[honest hill]

endmin is more w battle skill

I think

[peak void]

uhuh

[peak void]

@unreal light yo wdyt abt the new gloves

[leaden tartan]

Arts intensity and all skill damage preferred.

[mortal fiber]

Hmm so far with the redeemer armor added it made her 706 base

[unreal light]

Hi! should b e stronger than swordmancer gloves for chen

[mortal fiber]

Without any artificing yet

[peak void]

hello 👋

yea redeemer base is honestly crazy

higher than max artifice of the previous ones

[flat glen]

New gear set need to progress the story first?

[bronze plume]

yes

[peak void]

new gear sets need gear chests from new map, so in a way yea u need to progress story

[bronze plume]

you need to complete the 3rd new main quest to unlock the aic upgrades to make the new gear

[flat glen]

Wonder what to give to TangTang for now

[bronze plume]

then you get to do this

[peak void]

actually scratch that, even just the aic tech will block u

[bronze plume]

3rd mission gives you the aic upgrade

[unreal light]

why the all skill damage

🤔

[leaden tartan]

Broadly split damage.

[unreal light]

why would one

it's phys

[leaden tartan]

I wouldn't pursue it.

[unreal light]

swordmancers go stagger

when staggered, the disparity between higher and lower number becomes even bigger

[peak void]

lol theres also new bis for AI pog

tho its just minor

2 hotwork kit, hotwork gloves, xiranite armor

[drifting quest]

Every phys unit has new gear

Last I saw

Dapan might be better than endmin again

[peak void]

crazy

[unreal light]

time to roll out the pog dps

[bronze plume]

endmin was better then dapan at some point?

[tranquil cedar]

Outside of shatter i don't think so

[unreal light]

at p5 you build vuln stacks faster

[tranquil cedar]

And shatter is something ...

[unreal light]

more vuln stacks = more crushed damage

endmin cannot keep up with 4/4/4

[bronze plume]

ok i was triple baited

[unreal light]

da pan can

[smoky quarry]

i'd be so tilted if mc was weaker than a fat panda

[bronze plume]

you dont get more ferrium in wuling yet

hahaha

[unreal light]

as uncanny as it sounds, right now they are weaker than a fat paedo

but we're still sitting at p2 mc

[smoky quarry]

also 5-star 💔

[tranquil cedar]

i guess i didn't get a gilb spook while rolling tang tang

240 pull 2 pity no gilb spook

[drifting quest]

I went to 120 for mine

[bronze plume]

what

[drifting quest]

Or well im at 117, last 3 pulls from 2 logins

[dusk isle]

Lost to ember 3rd time in a row for mine

[bronze plume]

oh pulls

[flat glen]

I got spooked by gilb p2 and Ardellia p3 till I hit 120

[tranquil cedar]

I went to 240 for only p1

[drifting quest]

ill own every unit minus rossi after since i lost to ember

[tranquil cedar]

Get pog ardelia Yvonne on the way

[flat glen]

How is Gilb P2?

[drifting quest]

pretty good

up to 12% extra susc, easier to access extra susc earlier

[mortal fiber]

The computation Sub-Attr % stat is % of the current sub attr right?

[tranquil cedar]

Guess perlica tangtang xia + lr/Yvonne work

now waiting for maths

[smoky quarry]

Coudn't download update in time, cause servers were too weak

I was getting kicked from download every other minute

[warped sorrel]

So "some" unit

[bronze plume]

most but yes

[warped sorrel]

Handful

[drifting quest]

last the status was when i went to sleep 4 hours ago there was no reason (other than vibes) to do tt lr

[bronze plume]

i just realized

we finna get another wuling battery

bro plz no

[drifting quest]

tt yvonne was up in the air
weaker hc, potentially stronger overall as a triple dps comp

[drifting quest]

isnt it all byproduct stuff

i had a look at some blueprints before i went to sleep and you make like 3 things at once with the new system

[bronze plume]

its just crucible reactor maxxing yeah

[bronze plume]

mine looks like this

[warped sorrel]

Any update on tt tc?
Like she better or worst for previous best team

[drifting quest]

#theorycrafting message

[leaden tartan]

Which TT Yvonne are you referring to? Yvonne, TT, Xaihi, Perlica?

[drifting quest]

yes

[bronze plume]

aint no way tt is worse bro

[warped sorrel]

So tangtang deal good dmg i see

[bronze plume]

how is the hope of 1.1 on rossi

[drifting quest]

waiting on numbers

[peak void]

how much does secondary stat contribute to atk

like say you get 1 unit of secondary attribute

[drifting quest]

0.2%

[leaden tartan]

Honestly... I'll play it just for the simplicity at this point. Gilberta felt like a bandage and the QoL was dog.

[peak void]

so divided by 5

yeap that sucks

how about primary

[lean pawn]

I just got double login

[drifting quest]

0.5%

[peak void]

alright thanks

[warped sorrel]

Imagine if we get new zipline

[smoky quarry]

Cause you have claimed first one before daily refresh

[leaden tartan]

Don't even talk about ziplines bro. I already miss the dapan bug.

[smoky quarry]

ziplines with customizable height

[leaden tartan]

Thank goodness I got some good ones in yesterday.

[smoky quarry]

So we can fit them in weird gaps

[dry kindle]

balls

lr dupe on standard

[outer ermine]

lr main soon

[dry kindle]

p1

🗿

[river ermine]

us/eu server has it nice with logins huh

[dry kindle]

oh you start with ult for recrisis as well

wait fuck that was my excuse for not doing trims

[tranquil cedar]

trims now

[honest hill]

now u trim

[terse bridge]

Who would tangtang replace in yvonne teams?

[drifting quest]

based on PURELY very EARLY rough calcs you drop both gilb and alesh

[inland quarry]

Has any math been done on t2 with lr?

[smoky quarry]

now I'm going to say that I precharged ults for trims manually

[drifting quest]

so far does not seem worth it over existing stuff

future info may change that

[leaden tartan]

Alesh tied to gilberta so dropping him was a given if she goes.

A Gilberta accessory if you will.

[drifting quest]

he was always decent on his own

[inland quarry]

I'm interested in how much dps loss it would be, as in exchange you do gain meaningful utility

[drifting quest]

depends who you dropped, utility gained is negligable

[inland quarry]

I figure a small loss could be worth for qol given the lack of dps checks

[paper sand]

do we have tangtang weapon calcs yet?

[inland quarry]

The aoe capabilities are a lot better than base lr

Whirlpool does some dmg and applies infliction

[leaden tartan]

What like Sig vs BP? Depends a lot on team I think.

[drifting quest]

nothing but her sig seems to be performing remotely close

personal damage other non sig options can sheet ahead iirc, but total damage they fall way off

[paper sand]

how worth is it trying to get her wep

[neat snow]

They made the trim too easy I did it on accident again

[paper sand]

i dont plan on pulling for like

mifu or rossi or lizhiyan

[smoky quarry]

wth is tangtang gearing animation 💔

[drifting quest]

if you dont want any 4 of the next units then it CURRENTLY looks very worth to grab her sig

[lofty frigate]

hi guys is the new bp weapon better than sundering on chen? it looks pretty good

[drifting quest]

the longer you wait the better

[drifting quest]

p5 rossi bp wep should perform better yes

[smoky quarry]

it's better against same potential

[drifting quest]

per initial calcs

[lofty frigate]

🫡

[drifting quest]

its day 1 though so the longer you wait the better

[echo cove]

there's a new trim?

[lofty frigate]

alr

i don't think she has new gear though right?

maybe the redeemer gloves idk

[neat snow]

Ya

[drifting quest]

new recrisis boss

new trim

200s or something

[echo cove]

oh, the wood bull?

[drifting quest]

pretty easy to do

[echo cove]

huh...

200s for 2 phases?

fr?

[ocean hawk]

the phase 2 is quick

if u collect the balls faster

[echo cove]

ye

[ocean hawk]

since it will break (stagger) the boss

[neat snow]

I didn't bring food or tactical I just wanted the first clear reward but I trimmed it

[echo cove]

am p sure i killed it in under 200s just now during story

[paper sand]

im making extremely poor financial decisions

[echo cove]

[ocean hawk]

sadly, u need to do it in lvl 90 stage

not in story

[drifting quest]

as long as you dont bitch if day 1 tc ends up changing