theorycrafting

[ashen scroll]

Alesh is good

[rare zodiac]

Nah alesh at least have dmg% on skill and ult, Xaihi, her whole body is buff

[oak vigil]

Fair

[ashen scroll]

Probably amber

[drifting quest]

Alesh does dps in shatter

Its the supporters only really

Gilb antal xaihi ard

Gilb can dps

Antal can

[oak vigil]

Nope, Ember dps has viable team comps (despite us shunning her kit entire time loool)

[drifting quest]

Xaihi ehh

[brisk pecan]

all the defenders can dps

it's just they're very sp heavy if you wanna parry

[rare zodiac]

More like ember driver, she deal like 10% dmg of that team at best

[brisk pecan]

it's like last rite greed but without the damage to back it up

😔

[warped sorrel]

yea i think only akekuri and xaihi

[ashen scroll]

All her ability litetaly scale like sht and need alot of resource to make her decent , it probably work for now but age ultra fast

[oak vigil]

Yep!

[warped sorrel]

a very niche fun fact

[rare zodiac]

To be a non dps and slot in dps role, you at least need some niche that can be utilized

Gilb have succ and good aoe

Antal with his buggy ass stagger value

[brisk pecan]

surely you can just stack damage buffs and do basic attacks

[oak vigil]

Wait I just realized, what’s with the Antal’s bug? First time hearing about it

[brisk pecan]

it can't be that bad

[warped sorrel]

Elaborate

[rare zodiac]

His FA do two time the stagger value

It’s not 15

[oak vigil]

Oooooh

[rare zodiac]

It’s fuk 30

[oak vigil]

Well damn

(Hypergliph do not fix this)

(I am biased)

[rare zodiac]

It’s a bug from beta that have not been fix

Like at all

They fix Lae timer bug but can’t fix Antal double down on stagger

[warped sorrel]

How to execute the bug

[grand lagoon]

but why no one control antal main?

[rare zodiac]

Just BA

It’s always proc

[ashen scroll]

Because he a lizard not hot woman

[oak vigil]

hi literally me

But the reason is because it’s just niche and you only see the results bloom at almost finish if going this way

[grand lagoon]

https://tenor.com/view/anime-smug-smile-gif-5566108777736045771

[brisk pecan]

antal +swordmancer 🙏

[warped sorrel]

so antal is the best stragger?

[grand lagoon]

yeA isnt it gonna be gut

[rare zodiac]

Yes, well for now if the bug is still not fix at 1.1

[oak vigil]

Gilby might work with swordmancer actually due to her bs being multi-hit…

[rare zodiac]

But i doubt that, they have a long ass beta and the bug still there

[oak vigil]

iirc swordmancer is crits

[brisk pecan]

nah it's vuln stacks

[drifting quest]

Gilb can do sm because of combo

[brisk pecan]

and +20% stagger

[drifting quest]

Ard can proc it on enhanced battle skill apparently but i never tested

[bronze plume]

do we know if they are adding literally anything to the valley 4 stock

[drifting quest]

Yes

The build an essence is v4 no

Maybe im misremembering

[bronze plume]

oh

nice

something to use valley stock bills on

[ashen scroll]

Its v4 only

[oak vigil]

Oh- Nvm, I meant about that one kit set about crits

[midnight stirrup]

Not much longer till patch

[brisk pecan]

das misec

crit build 💀

[rare zodiac]

https://youtu.be/h4biCvLmiwU?si=IGvB1-6B2--vVuRc look at his FS stagger

And tell me that is 15

[warped sorrel]

idk if this is intentional meta wise

[rare zodiac]

Nah that shit is 30

[oak vigil]

Mine doesn’t stagger that much? Wait like actually

wtf

I’ll go test it in a bit in like 20 minutes

[grand lagoon]

waiting for water pump works at v4

💀

[rare zodiac]

He waving a wand and deal more stagger that great sword

[bronze plume]

bro learnt how fantasy magic can work

[echo cove]

Stagger antal build!?

[brisk pecan]

probably would still be worse than like chen/lifeng on swordmancer

[rare zodiac]

No int str swordmancer sadly

[brisk pecan]

antal can't trigger swordmancer's extra attack

[rare zodiac]

Nah you underestimate antal stagger

[brisk pecan]

🤔

[rare zodiac]

Antal FS have more stagger than Ember/LR

[terse valley]

what

[brisk pecan]

but chen/lifeng is like fs stagger + lift/kd stagger + swordmancer extra hit

surely antal ain't beating that

[terse valley]

really?

[rare zodiac]

With sp usage chen can beat Antal at stagger this is just pure BA FS comparison

[brisk pecan]

ah well ok

then the point about swordmancer's extra hit is moot

so it's just +20% stagger

so it's just whoever has the fastest ba chain + most fs stagger

antal 🙏

[rare zodiac]

Yeah Antal just somehow get greatsword level of stagger with aspd of a wand

[rare zodiac]

Well it’s 15 but it hit 2 time, so 30

[terse valley]

huh?

[rare zodiac]

Ember have like 25 or something, idrc

[ocean turret]

sundered prince makes it 30

[terse valley]

fym hits 2 times

[rare zodiac]

Yeah, the bug is that the stagger value get applied 2 time

[terse valley]

bruhh

[rare zodiac]

And some how that simple bug is still exist since beta

[ocean turret]

i maybe look weird but ill be building perlica for my rossi team

more like rossi, perlica,gilberta, pog/endmin

[tranquil cedar]

Pog i am not sure there

[ocean turret]

low dmg?

dps pog

[tranquil cedar]

With only 1.5 physique unit i don't think breach is great

[ocean turret]

fair

but

sp regen tho

[tranquil cedar]

Yeah this is why da pan is maybe something

Crush without sp use

[ocean turret]

i see

[tranquil cedar]

But it's not impossible rossi team work on low sp

[ocean turret]

my first idea was rossi, ardelia, gilberta, endmin

for more art and phys susceptibility

but ardelia's CS is so sensitive

cause you cant make a mistake of misclicking other BS or else both ardelia and gil's BS will flew off the window

[rare zodiac]

Arde and gilb in the same team is management hell

First rot work amazing, but after that it just a mess

[ocean turret]

i think dapan is better than endmin in this comp

the chain will be kinda slow

[oak vigil]

Mmmh methinks you can just consume arts infliction with Rossi so Ardelia’s cs triggers properly

[ocean turret]

yeah but thats on ult

i already come up with the chain

last hit - gil BS - ard CS - gil CS - ross CS - ross BS

thats 4 vuln stacks

i can use ard BS then for phys and art susp

[tranquil cedar]

How do you trigger ross cs?

[ocean turret]

gil CS applies lift

[tranquil cedar]

i forgor

[rare zodiac]

Nature from Gilb BS and vul from Gilb CS

[ocean turret]

yeah

[rare zodiac]

Rossi CS need 1 infliction 1 vul

If that is what you forgot

[tranquil cedar]

I forgor the vul part

The lift part

[rare zodiac]

But for this comp when will we use Arde EBS?

Like do we even have sp for that

[ocean turret]

yes if i use dapan in this comp

[rare zodiac]

Yeah Dapan seem like a more reasonable choice

No sp crush

[ocean turret]

if i wanna add including ultimate, dapan's will go last

but im not sure if i have enough time to activate it

[tranquil cedar]

apm burst

[ocean turret]

ross BS- ardeliaBS - gil Ult -rossi Ult -ard ult - dapan CS

[tranquil cedar]

Without sp battery 4 bs seems hard

[ocean turret]

gil's ult need vuln stacks active so i use hers first

[ocean turret]

true but you can complete the rotation

but still failure sensitive

one misclick, it will interrupt everything

[tranquil cedar]

git good futur capo

[rare zodiac]

Why dapan BS last? Should be CS no?

[ocean turret]

oh right

there

[rare zodiac]

So 300 sp rot

[ocean turret]

thats funny i only used 2

BS

[rare zodiac]

Could work

[tranquil cedar]

my man think about endim

[ocean turret]

oh w8 its 3

nvm

[rare zodiac]

But again energy issues

[ocean turret]

yeah but in other rossi teams they use more sp

look at wulfgard comp

[rare zodiac]

How many rot to get ult

[tranquil cedar]

[ocean turret]

not sure, rossi havent released yet

[tranquil cedar]

Can you skip 1 bs with rossi ult?

[ocean turret]

which one

[rare zodiac]

We can skill Gilb BS if Rossi ult

Because heat infliction

[ocean turret]

uhmm

[tranquil cedar]

[ocean turret]

no?

gilb ult has that

[tranquil cedar]

This is what i was wondering

[rare zodiac]

Ah nature infliction

I forgor

[tranquil cedar]

If you have 4 ult right away you might burst

[rare zodiac]

Well combustion is welcome in rossi team anyway

[ocean turret]

yeah you have combustion at the end of rossi ult

[honest hill]

wulf combustion into rossi ult

[tranquil cedar]

The issue is that post burst you are dry to recovery sp

[ocean turret]

dapan CS can go next tbh, ardelia's ult is useless anyways

[ocean turret]

true

thats the only cons

how much is sp regen per sec?

ard CS has 20 sec CD

[tranquil cedar]

I think character combo regen differently cause of animation or it is just the stun?

I mean final strike

[ocean turret]

im not sure

im using chen as rossi alt on my test runs

since they do the same thing

rossi isnt better than chen, shes just changing inflictions on her CS

dmg wise, i hope shes better

[rare zodiac]

for 100sp need 12.5s

[ocean turret]

now the rest is up to the animation timers then

[tranquil cedar]

Final strike sp is consistent it seems so if rossi has fast attack animation this will help a little

[rare zodiac]

fast attacking operator often have low sp regen

[ocean turret]

ardelia' CS corrosion activation is slow as hell

[rare zodiac]

like sword op is like 19~21 while great sword is ~30

[echo cove]

Has anyone theorised what gear t2 will use?

[rare zodiac]

2,6s after the green goo thingy hit

[tranquil cedar]

Probably one of the new variant

[ocean turret]

https://tenor.com/view/jimmy-butler-jimmy-butler-paper-confused-gif-14478007832172093541

[tranquil cedar]

With better substat for soup2

[echo cove]

New variant isn't a new set, they're just additional piece

But which set is she most likely gonna use?

[ocean turret]

what about gilberta CS?

[tranquil cedar]

depend of number probably

Between cs and bs which one deal more damage

Or maybe ult will be main damage part

[ocean turret]

so last hit, ard cs then wait for 6 sec to proc gil CS?

nah thats too long

lemme test ingame

[echo cove]

It's defo bs/ult for t2

[ocean turret]

oh its 3 sec detonation time

[tranquil cedar]

Eternal xiranite is def an option

[echo cove]

For a subdps?

[tranquil cedar]

Type 50 probably another

[echo cove]

That's way too trippy

Type 50... Is that the crit set?

[tranquil cedar]

Yinglung the one that give stack for next cs when ally use bs

maybe i don't have a spraesheet to do the maths

[echo cove]

Hmm yinglung does look quite nice

Bonekrusha looks better tho

[ocean turret]

The sp regen looks promising

I tried one rotation

[oak vigil]

Literally no???

I just tested

Same 15 stagger

Unless you need to intentionally somehow trigger the bug for Antal

[warped sorrel]

so antal bug is fake?

disappointed

[oak vigil]

hold on I need to watch that video he brought up, I think it is there

if I compare to this example

[oak vigil]

HERE ITS DOUBLED in the video

[oak vigil]

It is real

[rare zodiac]

try BS? i don't know the exact requirements

[brisk pecan]

there could be conditions for it

[rare zodiac]

but the only one i can think of is BS debuff

[brisk pecan]

maybe gear? weapons?

item buffs?

[oak vigil]

I'll go retest with the focus bs on then, uno momento

[ocean turret]

yo i tried ardelia+gilberta comp

using pog tho

i didnt build dapan :3

im not good at dodging sorry

the sp regen is enough to make continous rotation

nvm gilberta's CS is slow

[oak vigil]

still nope @rare zodiac @warped sorrel @brisk pecan

[hasty grail]

maybe it did get fixed since that other video was a month old

[brisk pecan]

it's joever antal main dps bros

😭

[warped sorrel]

it is over

eos

[distant python]

are you sure thats not just triaggelos having a way smaller stagger bar

compared to rhodagn

[rare zodiac]

nah he have Xaihi to compare

[oak vigil]

Okay no, I just retested my cycle, it's the same as ever

I think you needed to do something intentionally to trigger the bug of double stagger for Antal

[oak vigil]

Marble also gets double stagger on that video from Antal

[warped sorrel]

[distant python]

Are you sure it's double stagger

Just go in game as see antals stagger Vs the Doritos or marble currently

[oak vigil]

One second, gonna test that

[oak vigil]

Same stagger

[oak vigil]

and then again comparing to this video's stagger

It is doubled there in youtube video, but so far I am testing it is not bugged

[valid palm]

If Antal's stagger is indeed doubled (30) then he is highest stagger per second by a lot

50% higher than Lifeng which was the previous #1

[warped sorrel]

how

[valid palm]

Because 30 Stagger is highest in the game - 5 higher than Last Rite/Ember's 25, but he has a short Caster basic sequence rather than a slow Greatsword sequence

[oak vigil]

I think it got fixed like long time ago after game fully released and that Antal youtube footage is from beta methinks?

Just a guess

[brisk pecan]

does this consider lift/kd stagger + presumably swordmancer extra hit

or just fs

[valid palm]

No, just raw numbers

[brisk pecan]

ah okay makes sense

[valid palm]

Since any number of gear options can chance things

[brisk pecan]

i was thinking highest possible stagger output still has to be chen/lifeng on swordmancer

[valid palm]

https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/1gzrq0Uj86TP0oXb5Qb5wt6WNwNMXekmuA_mjYMeFUC0/edit?usp=sharing

Putting Antal to 30 gives him 9.1 per sec

But I reverted it to 15 after looking for funsies, just because it sounds like it might have already been fixed

[brisk pecan]

question is whether it's still bugged

looks like it's fixed tho 😔

[valid palm]

Not gonna mess with the sheet until I know for certain, and even then I'd put it as a separate entry for posterity lol

Like

Antal (Intended)
Antal (Bugged)

[brisk pecan]

you should

at least for reference/historic value

[rare zodiac]

https://www.bilibili.com/video/BV1mTf1BHE3q this was on 23/2

he still have that massive stagger, so if it's fixed, it's very recent

[valid palm]

or there might be some kind of condition or situational aspect to it that's subtle enough we're not seeing it

[wispy shuttle]

match everything in the video

[valid palm]

I'm more of an expert on SP than stagger because frame data is more reliable than pixel measurements

[brisk pecan]

can anyone read chinese

it looks like important info

[rare zodiac]

seem like patch note, 24/2, let me see

[oak vigil]

Yeah maybe that

Actually I’ll go retest really quick if the bug is caused if you run him solo, would be funny if that’s the case

[brisk pecan]

actually first of all does anyone have a bilibili acc so we can get more resolution

[oak vigil]

(since I was doing tests with Xaihi as the party member)

[rare zodiac]

if we can abuse this bug, look at that juicy stagger

[valid palm]

you can also test for sure non-visually by spamming FS until you actually get the stagger. Should be very easy to tell whether it takes half as many FS as expected to hit it

[oak vigil]

still nope

Yeal I'll just try to recreate the bug by bashing myself into the wall at this point repeatedly

I am too invested into it now loool

[brisk pecan]

can you try to replicate the build in the video?

eg. gear/weapon/item buffs if any

[oak vigil]

Mmmhh it will be odd if caused by that, but I’ll try that too

[gaunt mason]

are you guys talking about the antal stagger bug?

[wispy shuttle]

where can i even find patch notes of hotfixes in this game

[gaunt mason]

it got fixed

[wispy shuttle]

yeah i was trying to find the notes for that

[distant python]

For basics it's ember with sundered no?

[brisk pecan]

@oak vigil it's over

[oak vigil]

Nvm

[rare zodiac]

find it

[ocean turret]

after all that testing

[wispy shuttle]

i mean, it was only a whole ass two weeks ago

[brisk pecan]

i was thinking of like with skills and stuff, like given all possible resources who can do the most stagger

[rare zodiac]

it was so funni with that big as stagger

[brisk pecan]

(but wasn't basics top lifeng?)

[gritty briar]

wtf
okay so marble's stagger bar is 320 and it's 3 sections at 106.6 each
it took 4 hits to barely not hit stagger section so antal is doing slightly under 26.6 stagger

so it's somehow not quite double but also nowhere near normal amount

did they typo 15 as 25?

[rare zodiac]

well the fun stuff is fixed now

[gritty briar]

oh wait it did hit stagger section, im blind

so slightly more than 26.6

[echo cove]

25 is the same as lr and ember

Crazy

[gritty briar]

could've just been doubled then

but it doesn't seem to be that far past the stagger

[oak vigil]

Tbh supports doing 25 stagger instead of regular 15 sounds neat

Encourages to switch off to them

even for such benefit

Like how Last Rite can benefit from it if you switch to Xaihi for faster m1s

[blazing sluice]

How to get big multiplayers on crush
My panda has low damage

[ocean turret]

its multipliers. and you cant compare panda to endmin

unless you have breach or phys susceptibility active when you crush

or

[blazing sluice]

I heard panda is stronger than endmin

[eager cape]

just 2 days and come the new update

[blazing sluice]

Either everyone who said that the pinned guide lies

Or you lie

Which one

[ocean turret]

you just lack damage cause of under leveled skill or weapon

either of the 2

or both

[blazing sluice]

Mastery 1
Level 90 +5/4/2

[ocean turret]

oh i get it

[rare zodiac]

Dapan is stronger at lower investment, Endmin is stronger at higher investment

[blazing sluice]

Update drops tmmr

[ocean turret]

yes dapan has stronger crush than endmin but, endmin has originium crystals

[blazing sluice]

Dapan is plain stronger according to people who tested both

Rn atleast

[ocean turret]

im not sure about the number

[ocean turret]

what about dapan's skill?

lvl what?

[echo cove]

I thought endmin gv is stronger than dapan exemplar?

[ocean turret]

yeah cause higher stats

[echo cove]

Weapon dif

[ocean turret]

rarity diff too

[brisk pecan]

da pan's main advantage is free crush no?

[ocean turret]

true

[brisk pecan]

compared to endmin's 50sp (assuming eat crystal)

[rare zodiac]

2 vul on ult too

more comfy to use than Endmin

[ocean turret]

2 vul at BS too at P5 or p3 i iforgot

[rare zodiac]

45s is just too long

[ocean turret]

every 45 secs

[rare zodiac]

beside we have Chen

[brisk pecan]

i mean 2 vuln for 100 sp is never bad

[rare zodiac]

if 100sp rather just Chen it

Chen is like 12s cd anyway

[ocean turret]

welp

how much sp does pog regen?

70?

excluding his ult?

[rare zodiac]

70 with 4 vul

[ocean turret]

what about the ult?

[hollow wyvern]

NOOOOO

[rare zodiac]

90

[hollow wyvern]

They actually gave tt sig support

[ocean turret]

90?

[hollow wyvern]

Goddamn it

Greedy bastards

[ocean turret]

how 90?

[hollow wyvern]

Can't even give us easy skip

[summer flicker]

200% ult eff tangtang is real

[rare zodiac]

each buff dude is 10sp, 5 buff dude, the gang up is 40sp

[summer flicker]

im waiting till new gears + her ult cost

if its something like 60, blessing, if its 90 ~ 100, xiranite bot

[ocean turret]

theres only 4 dudes right?

[hollow wyvern]

Arts dmg taken is fully separate multi for Yvonne team right? 0 dilution?

[summer flicker]

xaihi

[vague rampart]

how much % dmg does link buff gives?

[hollow wyvern]

[summer flicker]

unless you use the chilvaric

[hollow wyvern]

Hmm

[summer flicker]

which should be better cuz uptime (im feelcrafting so hard)

[hollow wyvern]

Yeah I do prefer chiv these days

[summer flicker]

my day is ruined

[hollow wyvern]

Surely it's less boost than deto...

[chilly bolt]

chivalric is not bad yes

[summer flicker]

upon cooking good rotation

[rare zodiac]

BS 30% ult 20%, different multiplier

[summer flicker]

and det is like: not buffing the final strike

maygipain

[vague rampart]

oh thanks

[summer flicker]

i hate det, i need to roll my goat chilvaric

[hollow wyvern]

Yvonne Rota restrictive enough, don't need deto making it worse

[chilly bolt]

not related but what skill to M3 for eyja alter again (in ak)

[blazing sluice]

Endmin not worth the hassle

Given he will get replaced

[rare zodiac]

tools tip said 5

[blazing sluice]

When limited crush unit

M3 might be limited crush

[ocean turret]

yeah 4 dudes but 5 points

okay

[summer flicker]

wait i find the fix for det

😭

time to wait for no reason

kekw

ye the rotation is so cooked

there like million nuance you wait

[echo cove]

Btw how does link interact w say, laev's ult? Does it let the whole duration of laev ult enjoy the +20%?

[summer flicker]

[echo cove]

[chilly bolt]

it does nothing

you lose link for nothing

[echo cove]

What a garbage mechanic

[rare zodiac]

it consumed and does absolutely nothing

[chilly bolt]

leavatin ult doesnt do any dmg itself

[echo cove]

Yeah figured

[rare zodiac]

it buff Lae ult dmg 0x1.3

[fathom spear]

yeah, just use it right before u use ur enhanced battle skill in ult

[summer flicker]

[rich linden]

chat is pre install out

(do we get those)

[summer flicker]

i dnt even know

[brisk pecan]

no idea

[summer flicker]

doesnt look like it

kekw

[brisk pecan]

i don't think there's any info/annoucement about preload

[rich linden]

just bought all 3

:sunglase:

[brisk pecan]

where drill

where xiranite thingy

[hollow wyvern]

Right before update, got balls

[rich linden]

are these in wuling store

i may have mised those

[brisk pecan]

drill is in valley

[rich linden]

ooo i shall check

[brisk pecan]

xiranite thing in wuling

is this even the right channel to talk about this 💀

[rich linden]

ic ic

[brisk pecan]

we getting banned 😔

[rich linden]

ur right sry mod team

[boreal crane]

theorycrafting how to improve your dijiang experience!

[willow blade]

for xaihi what is the max intellect I can get? (my current is 485) how much will max artifice improve?

[chilly bolt]

you can as long as it's theorycrafting

[brisk pecan]

theorycrafting trophy placement 😭

[tulip rivet]

What even is the difference between #theorycrafting and #aic-factory

[echo cove]

700+ if p5 deto

[pearl cypress]

drill placement is important. You need to put it on the lowest tier possible away from the main walkway so it is the least visible from most visitors

[willow blade]

this is the best xaihi build for lr right?

[chilly bolt]

max is 667 int

with p0 deto unit

[echo cove]

Yep

[willow blade]

wait why is stanza on perlica and deto on xaihi?

[chilly bolt]

because their passive

[willow blade]

oh ig perlica cant trigger deto

[chilly bolt]

xaihi can proc deto, perlica can proc stanza

[echo cove]

Am still hoping for int mainstat xira chest rn so i can maybe slap xira set on xaihi with abt 600 int

[chilly bolt]

then what will you put on gil or ardelia

[echo cove]

I don't have to run em

[chilly bolt]

what how

[willow blade]

should i wait on artificing xaihi then? maybe next update?

[echo cove]

In prep for t2 lr

I can either drop ard or perli

[chilly bolt]

tang + perlica + xaihi?

hmm

[echo cove]

Mhm

[chilly bolt]

just hold on those, dont be like me and max artificed xaihi

[echo cove]

Well it's prolly a bad idea

Still, it sounds kinda interesting

[chilly bolt]

in this economy i would put gil over ardelia for lr

[echo cove]

I tested like the current xira set, and my xaihi only loses abt 5% amp

[echo cove]

Why tho?

Ard is much better for bossing

[chilly bolt]

she's comparable to ardelia in bossing

[outer ermine]

[echo cove]

Only if u have her sig

[willow blade]

well I am already have a shortage on artificing catalyst so (from 100% max artificing leav, max ult gain artificing akekuri, simi artificed ard, and currently trying to max artifice LR)

[chilly bolt]

and in overworld i think i dont need to tell you how good gil is

[echo cove]

Gil's sig is stupid expensive afterall

[willow blade]

wdym by that?

[chilly bolt]

well since you cant use the 2 bp boxes for new weapons then maybe im gonna brick my account and go opus p1

[echo cove]

Pulling gil's sig is expensive

[honest hill]

That's sig in general

[chilly bolt]

yeah most people skip gil sig

[echo cove]

Unless what do u even run on gil w lr team?

[echo cove]

Exactly my point

[honest hill]

pulling any sig is expensive

[willow blade]

why? is it not the same cost?

[echo cove]

It's expensive cos am not pulling for it

I don't pull every banner

[chilly bolt]

it's not enough of an improvement over stanza to justify spending 16k arsenal for it

[honest hill]

it also depends on team if perli is there

[echo cove]

Problem is... What would perlica use? Monaihe?

[honest hill]

yeah

it's cope but

[chilly bolt]

kick perlica idk

[honest hill]

how about I kick u

u don't kick perlica

[echo cove]

That's gonna make it ard gil?

[chilly bolt]

yes

ardelia+gil

[echo cove]

Doable but cope asf

[chilly bolt]

remember lr talent

or was it ult?

[echo cove]

Running 2 xira set is just not it man

What talent?

[chilly bolt]

no you run stagger on gil or intensity

[echo cove]

Good God

Huh

W8

[gritty briar]

who tf is actually running stagger gil?

[outer ermine]

[echo cove]

I CAN RUN STAGGER GIL W T2 IF I JUST RUN XIRA ON XAIHI

OMG

GENIUS

[chilly bolt]

oh it's her 2nd talent

[outer ermine]

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[gritty briar]

run intensity and you get damage stagger and stronger corrosion

[honest hill]

do we know how many pulls we getting this patch roughly

[outer ermine]

almost

[chilly bolt]

12hours

time to sleep

[gritty briar]

how much stagger could you possibly need

[echo cove]

Stagger gil on lr heheheheh

[chilly bolt]

wait you get more stagger with intensity?

[gritty briar]

it buffs lift stagger

lift does 10 and every point of intensity gives 0.5%

[chilly bolt]

lift is arts reaction?

[honest hill]

sleep now

for update

[gritty briar]

so if you have 200 intensity your lifts do 20 stagger now

[gritty briar]

arts intensity affects physical status
horrible name i know

[echo cove]

Not by much tho

[gritty briar]

okay but swordmancer isn't much either

[chilly bolt]

i feel like you still get more from using stagger build

[echo cove]

Stagger build is 20 stagger flat every lift (not including the lift stagger)

So u get like 25 stagger/lift

Set bonus increases stagger as well

So it's closer to 30/cs

That's just cs

Her other skills r also getting kore stagger

Ai is good if u actually do corrosion

Otherwise stagger build is always more stagger

[chilly bolt]

unless you do the cursed 3 corrosion rotation in lr team

[gritty briar]

Gilberta combo skill has 5 stagger
swordmancer gives 10
lift is another 10
so 25 x 1.2 from set bonus = 30

gilberta with 200 arts intensity would deal 5 from combo skill, 20 from lift
25

well you could put in an intensity piece into the swordmancer set too

so it would beat it by a bit more than that too

but like who cares

[chilly bolt]

yes who cares, dps gil is the way

double slab + hotwork glove

[gritty briar]

also, does swordmancer cooldown get paused by timestops?

cause if it does

you might trigger combo before swordmancer is even ready again

cause combo cooldown doesn't get paused

[echo cove]

Not possible

Gil's cs max is 19s, swordmancer is 15s

[gritty briar]

but does swordmancer cd get paused by timestops?

[echo cove]

4s is too big of a gap for a stop, no?

[gritty briar]

cause i can fit 19 seconds into a 10 second ingame timer

[echo cove]

Timestop r only by ult, no?

[gritty briar]

and dodges

and combo skills

[echo cove]

Hmm

Ok yknow what, fair on that

Good point

[gritty briar]

i've fit estella's 17 second combo into rhodagns 10 second stagger by ult spamming

[echo cove]

Just don't dodge then

[gritty briar]

true...

[echo cove]

I feel like the main issue w gil stagger would just be

Her ult is gonna take ages

[gritty briar]

does it? it doesn't take that much energy i think

oh shit it's 90

[echo cove]

It's gonna take just as long as a perlica ult

I think?

Cmiiw

[gritty briar]

i've been running her sig so long it's warped my perception

that shit has so much ult gain

[echo cove]

Hm

Json

[ocean turret]

Ult regen should be almost 200%

[echo cove]

Monaihe stagger gil

Monaihe give AI rite?

I think u can reach 100 AI on top of swordmancer w monaihe

[gritty briar]

wow stagger gil gaming

incredible

[echo cove]

Imagine 50 stagger cs

[gritty briar]

if someone actually builds that they're probably deranged

but it would be kinda funny

[echo cove]

Are u challenging me?

Ah fuck, but I don't have p5 monaihe

[brisk pecan]

virgin meta slave vs chad funnyman

[echo cove]

It's gonna mess up the stagger rotation on lr so badly tho

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[echo cove]

Tho... Legit i think that's gonna make aetherchest on lr even better

I like this

[outer ermine]

funni

[echo cove]

Hw+aetherglove?

[pure spoke]

Tangtang when

[echo cove]

Yeah am just gonna need to pray for xaihi int xira chest

[outer ermine]

pulse

[lime nacelle]

Maintenance?!

So soon...

So you're saying I'll be able to wake up tomorrow and see Tangtang on the banner?

[ashen scroll]

Ngl i carve violence and tragedy

Can we kill t2 or rossi in the newer story arc please?

Actualy somebody anybody is fine please die and paint the world black

[outer ermine]

i read that wrong

selective reading moment

[chilly bolt]

I should have gone to bed

What did i just read

[next helm]

Math do not be mathing

[ashen scroll]

Its correct math tho

Its like 0.7 ,0.8 credits? Im not sure . . . So its either 0 or 1 depend on how they code things

[chilly bolt]

1% of 90 is 0.9

[brisk pecan]

👁️ 👃 👁️

i saw

[ashen scroll]

Ye the point is decimal is evil

[chilly bolt]

The real question is

Is it actually free

Or 0.9 credit

(i remember someone tested and it's free yes)

[glass birch]

I wouldn't be suprised if it was 0.9 credits

Considering everything else rounds as part of a clean up for display

[ashen scroll]

Well anw i wanted someone on current story die

[brisk pecan]

they'll introduce a random npc and then kill

[noble tapir]

Oh I should probably hold off on deliveries in wuling huh

[ashen scroll]

Nefarith would do

[brisk pecan]

na you just know she's gonna be playable

aintnoway they kill her

[gritty briar]

they'll introduce frostnova reconvener and kill her again

[brisk pecan]

i mean that would go beyond tragic and just be hilarious

[ashen scroll]

I mean in the future blight is blue so her red lame blight doesnt exist anymore

So its okay if she die

[ashen scroll]

Nah , she fatherless so if she dies it probably not feeling the same

Passing only sad if there someone left behind

Unless patriot is here too

[gritty briar]

patriot reconvener...

[ashen scroll]

Please DO NOT twink him

[warped sorrel]

That would be pretty funny

[chilly bolt]

Let old man alone

[drifting berry]

Really hard to take the game seriously if after a cutscene I get to see Yvonne's fat tail

[glass birch]

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/956086681499496448/1480401469080600596/SPOILER_aint-no-way-this-came-from-the-official-account-lmao-v0-fnw3y4gz0nlg1.gif

[warped sorrel]

the game seriousness is like 10% of their first game

I will forgive them everything like bad writing bad gacha stupid content If they bring her back

[drifting berry]

At least we got hot woman here, they haven’t done that in a while on the og

[ashen scroll]

Yvone got worst camera angle so far , Shallow character purely for bait , also tata dead is not even that sad , tata would never be BT-7274

[drifting berry]

nm forgot about Titi

[warped sorrel]

I would cry if lancet die

Tata? Not even close

[drifting berry]

No titi

https://tenor.com/view/arknights-titi-cat-cat-girl-gif-5062713434539141539

[smoky quarry]

looks more like genshin writing if you ask me

[ashen scroll]

https://tenor.com/view/ceobe-ceobe-arknights-ceobe-reaction-gif-10135156122651212895

[warped sorrel]

genshin did it so much better in my opinion

[smoky quarry]

mfw when someone sends "my reaction" despite not being asked

[fleet heron]

I read Rossi’s kit and I don’t really understand where she fits team wise. I was considering pulling her because I run main dps Wulfguard and it’d be cute to have the siblings together. But I don’t actually know if they work well together…do they?

[normal tangle]

this is you also sending your reaction when nobody asked btw

[normal tangle]

they work decently well

forced combustion is good for rossi

[smoky quarry]

eye for an eye ig

[normal tangle]

eye for an eye till we all go blind

[warped sorrel]

She change art infliction into vulnerable
Just got someone to inflict Art and someone to consume vulnerable and it will work fine

If you know what any of that mean

[normal tangle]

do we know if rossi combo can hit multiple targets

[fleet heron]

My Poggy is built really well so I could add him. I have his essences all maxed out. But I have no idea who to add for the fourth slot.

Pearlica? 🤔

[smoky quarry]

got my eyes peeled for an opening

[warped sorrel]

Just do Rossi endmin wolfgard akekuri

[smoky quarry]

No breach?

Invalid phys build

[normal tangle]

gilb>ake but that could work i guess

[fleet heron]

I don’t own Gilberta unfortunately. 😔

[warped sorrel]

Are you out of your mind

[normal tangle]

gg

rossi is kinda glued to gilb currently

[warped sorrel]

chen also work i guess but im not sure about the rotation

[fleet heron]

Is she not worth pulling if you don’t own Gilberta?

[normal tangle]

"worth pulling" is a hard thing to define with rossi

she's built with a future character/comp in mind; she has no current place

[warped sorrel]

Have Gilb or not she is never worth

Both tangtang and rossi is considered to be a bait banner

[normal tangle]

gilb might not even be in that future team, we don't know

[fleet heron]

Isn’t tangtang bis for Yvonne?

And last rite?

[normal tangle]

not last rite i think

yvonne maybe

[warped sorrel]

Hope they wont go with premium team route

[daring dove]

It's likely too early to tell to be honest we need a lot of proper testing. I imagine she will be defacto BiS for all Cryo teams are higher investments but we'll need to properly test her out.

Maybe P0 stuff without sig especially she will have plenty of altneratives.

[normal tangle]

yeah this is ignoring her personal dmg contribution, i personally got no clue

[pure spoke]

Tang tang when

[normal tangle]

9h

[pure spoke]

Hype

[mortal trellis]

can always check with .maintenance

[pure spoke]

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[smoky quarry]

No pre-download?

[junior knoll]

tangtang and mifu is meta

[warped sorrel]

They really scare of datamine

[normal tangle]

predownload probably during maintenance period

idk

[pure spoke]

Always has been

[manic jay]

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[daring dove]

I love that the discount event was right until maint starts

Really helped me prep some resources for Tangtang.

[warped sorrel]

I love sanity discount

More than gilb and laevatain

[normal tangle]

sanity discount at the end of every banner is nice

still not nearly enough resources though

[daring dove]

I mean to some extent we're supposed to be resource starved.

We got 23 new characters this patch.

Next one we're getting 2

[normal tangle]

not quite relevant

not a single person on earth is investing in all 23 characters

[warped sorrel]

im

And im still resourceful

[normal tangle]

_ _

[daring dove]

The point is clearly that we're more resource starved right now than we will ever be.

[gritty briar]

well i think there's enough resources to max out all 2 of the new characters if you're buying the battle pass

so a BP buyer will just eventually outpace the character releases

[daring dove]

Exactly.

[normal tangle]

essences lol

[gritty briar]

and most aren't even likely to build all of them

[warped sorrel]

Build character in this gacha slop game feel so much better than other gacha slop bs stupid game

[normal tangle]

that's true

[wispy shuttle]

what is the likelihood of the new gear set variations including an upgrade for laevatain?

[normal tangle]

i vastly prefer essence grinding as an rng mechanic over the stupid fucking double crit artifact rolling

[warped sorrel]

And so much faster

[normal tangle]

likely. not sure when though

we're still on level 70 yellow gear

[wispy shuttle]

me too, there is an actual end to it

[normal tangle]

only a matter of time until level 90 red

[gritty briar]

if we had that usual artifact system i'd quit the game

[wispy shuttle]

im referring to the new level 70 sets we get tomorrow. im not quite familiar with laevatains gear set and how optimal/unoptimal it is with the current stuff thats available

[gritty briar]

knowing that i'll eventually finish building a character is part of the appeal for me

[warped sorrel]

.glaze

[crystal coral]

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[normal tangle]

oh

maybe if we get ult regen hotworks pieces? otherwise not likely

even then, not sure how beneficial those would even be

[daring dove]

I think a dedicated battle pass player could have every character built to 90 for around month 6, then the entire game just becomes essence grinds. But we'll see how long it takes for our resources to outpace character releases.

Obviously for whales the dynamic is different.

[wispy shuttle]

and then run slab?

[smoky quarry]

I invested into half of them

I'll probably finish the other half while I'm waiting for lizhyana and lycia

[normal tangle]

who even are those

[daring dove]

The second one was really cool during her tiny appearence not going to lie. But I reckon she'll be the type of character that's baited for a really long time.

[smoky quarry]

No way devs won't make her playable, have you seen amount of polygons in her ass?

[warped sorrel]

Yea no cool story no cool interaction

Her whole character act is that we have to wait 3years for her to be playable

[smoky quarry]

She's kind of important

potential lore woman

She's adoptive sister for perlica and the kid endmin saved in the past

[warped sorrel]

tried of long waiting bait characters

[normal tangle]

i haven't seen these people ever

were they in the 1.1 preview or something

[smoky quarry]

you skip all cutscenes?

[normal tangle]

no i just don't remember them

[smoky quarry]

Lycia was in power platetu facility in story

[daring dove]

Yeah she could be the Dainsleif of this game meaning she's going in year 6 or 7.

[smoky quarry]

The one whose name I can't remember is the one announced

along sankta spearman

[compact bridge]

You probably rush the story to build the factory lol

[smoky quarry]

she'll appear after mifu and fangyi I reckon

[normal tangle]

i didn't rush story at all idk

[smoky quarry]

Lizhiyan

Seriously wuling names make zero sense for european ear

[compact bridge]

Lycia is in the main story

[smoky quarry]

Maybe this shot sparks something?

[normal tangle]

oh

was that her

[daring dove]

Just do what I do, call everyone Bob 1, Bob 2, Bob 3 if I can't say their name.

[smoky quarry]

no that was lore dump of 87

Imagine if they'll make her playable like comms officer in og ak

[daring dove]

I hope we get some collabs in this game to be honest. Hope it's not like Genshin where the only collab ever is considered a massive mistake.

[smoky quarry]

They have done plenty of collabs in og, right?

[compact bridge]

Dont get your hopes too high, they release a lot char in og... Endfield is really slow on character release

[outer ermine]

actually make destiny happen this time and revive yelena

[warped sorrel]

Frieren collab would goes so hard

[daring dove]

Heard that's the case fingers crossed. I want my Tifa Lockhart in this game.

[smoky quarry]

well, releasing chars in arpg requires way more effort

and pull gain is too small to add more than 2 characters per patch

[normal tangle]

just..give more pulls then?

how is that a factor at all

"pull gain is too small" meanwhile it's the easiest thing ever to control

[compact bridge]

If they didnt do something soon, most players will quit at 1.2 i think

They will donate either way, more character mean more resource needed, and bp is very good value for that

[daring dove]

Yeah hopefully in 1.2 or 1.3 we get a reason to have more than 4 characters built.

[midnight stirrup]

@reef ginkgo do you still do tc for akef?

If whales didnt invest in the game you wouldnt be playing it in the first place at the quality it is at

So yeah you should be thankful they allow this game to exist

[warped sorrel]

wada helly

[midnight stirrup]

Me when I think this game came out of thin air for free

[warped sorrel]

this take burn my house down

[midnight stirrup]

In this economy

Also lets not blame whales for the powerscaling issues

Thats the company at fault

Whales didnt whisper into their ears to add it to the game

?

Gacha players never beating the allegations

[normal tangle]

have you taken a single economics or business class ever, or are we just saying shit

[warped sorrel]

his take kill my dog

i think he just trolling tho
he just have discord account "today"

[outer ermine]

.lookinside

[crystal coral]

https://media.discordapp.net/attachments/956086663447207956/1460761780866519173/T3R.png?ex=696817ec&is=6966c66c&hm=513939e651da4684d6bdcc0e9f34ed325e5410f4168763af633d92aa9e3de81c&=&format=webp&quality=lossless&width=406&height=404

[old condor]

hanabu pfp

[outer ermine]

[midnight stirrup]

I think he just doesnt know what hes talking about tbf

[pure spoke]

tang tang when

[drifting quest]

numbers as soon as ~2hrs from now, maint ends as far away as ~8hrs from now

[pure spoke]

https://tenor.com/view/arknights-endfield-tangtang-wuling-jump-gif-5889053850376434839

[gritty briar]

i guess i should do dailies before maint cause i'll be asleep when the game is back up

[quaint matrix]

1.1 is tommorow?

[vale ice]

in 7h 22min

[quaint matrix]

why no pre-load?

[drifting quest]

.maint

i thought they made one

guess not

[warped sorrel]

datamine

[drifting quest]

i have no idea why they didnt preload

[quaint matrix]

i just wanna download 1.1 before it comes out

guess we all gonna download it on release

[drifting quest]

they never do it for AK so I guess they are assuming that EF will work the same and not have issues without preload, and maybe there will be none

remains to be seen

if there are issues we get free orundum i guess

[quaint matrix]

they didn't unlock the preload techology yet

[outer ermine]

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[outer ermine]

so clsoe

[drifting quest]

oh right

whats the new weekly 6*

or is there none on asia yet

[hollow wyvern]

for those that have full cleared wuling, do you have 3 or 4 excess aurylene

[warped sorrel]

Cant wait to rush wuling story in 2hour

[pure spoke]

0

[warped sorrel]

I have

[honest hill]

They really need to get w the times like every game has pre load

[hollow wyvern]

cause I got three, but if I did maths right I should have 4...

[dry kindle]

1 pull tangtang surely

[midnight stirrup]

Pretty normal tbh

Good thing I watch fobmaster

[dry kindle]

Still repute

It cycles when maint starts

[drifting quest]

oh they extended it then

fair enough i guess

[dry kindle]

Sundering steel in daily tho

If I don't get pog or lifeng this update i throw a brick at someone

[dusk isle]

There is 4 extra. The issue is, you can mass submit them and it actually submits beyond the current limit

So the missing one is probably already submitted to the tp-marker

[hollow wyvern]

ah

also just did no margin for error quest, for stabilizing the rods by pew pewing water, it mentioned other sites across wuling, and I've def found them, is there a quest for that

I forgot where the other ones are tho

[dusk isle]

Sorry i dont remember anything about the wuling sidequests i was watching something the whole time

[daring dove]

That's nearly 1/30th of a ten pull

[gritty briar]

huge

[pure spoke]

https://tenor.com/view/oguri-oguri-cup-cup-happy-счастья-gif-541549796622235496

[timber harness]

tang tang is first right?

[midnight stirrup]

No Rossi

[timber harness]

mid beyond all recognition

[midnight stirrup]

Doomed and the patch hasnt even started

[drifting quest]

oh new mod trainees

surely some help channel moderation at last

[normal tangle]

why we pocket watching the mod team

[gritty briar]

the mods could be any one of us

[normal tangle]

who notices stuff like that man

[drifting quest]

any non mobile client

[gritty briar]

they're all undercover alts

[drifting quest]

its literally very visible for any non mobile client

[gritty briar]

maybe shuo is one of them

[drifting quest]

i open the server and i see a bunch of new blue roles on the right side

real

its me

before people take this literally

that was a joke

[warm galleon]

It's shuo's alt accounts

[drifting quest]

all mod accounts are alt accounts

genuinely

they dont let you moderate on your main account

i had to specify it was a joke because i didnt want to get nuked for 'pretending to be a mod' or anything

[unreal light]

Hey are we on maintenance yet?

[drifting quest]

5 minutes

[unreal light]

Damn

[warm galleon]

Soon™

[gritty olive]

i am thr mod trainnee

[smoky quarry]

blue spy is on the base

protect the briefcase

[drifting berry]

I'm scared now that we actually got moderators

[quasi quarry]

do we know how long is the maintenance?

[smoky quarry]

6 hours

[quasi quarry]

o nice

[gritty olive]

youre only getting scared if youre disobedient with the rules

[quasi quarry]

it'll be up by morning for me, just a sleep away

[drifting berry]

Already got a warning

[smoky quarry]

I'll deny myself in sleep just so I can log in first minute

[drifting quest]

[drifting berry]

Sended a specific screenshot of Yvonne from the "we are empire" trailer

[smoky quarry]

getting warned for official content is wild

[warm galleon]

I got banned for 9 days in official zzz, why? I replied on an off-topic post
Have not made a post since.

We're technically off-topic now, see you in 9 days

[smoky quarry]

I'd take lazy moderators over active mods any day

lazy mods step in only when they are needed

[gritty briar]

this is exactly what an undercover mod alt would say to hide their tracks...

[smoky quarry]

[drifting berry]

Sending screenshot of the warning breaks the rules by any chance?

ofc not sharing the image that got me the warning

[smoky quarry]

why not

I mean, you would know if you read the rules

[gritty olive]

yes

[smoky quarry]

[drifting berry]

bruh

[warm galleon]

Ask them in #do-not-post-or-get-beaned

[quasi quarry]

you

you're actually asking for it atp

😭

[unreal light]

And what if I want to bang bang tang tang

[gritty olive]

you can share rhat you gor warned due to offtopic

but sending the actual warn via screenshotting it is

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/858254142858199050/918330088519516270/Shiroket-3.gif

[smoky quarry]

You can get warned for sharing official yvonne promotion video

[gritty olive]

i unknowngily sent mifu nsfw due to me not seeing the picture clearly while people making these remarks are scot free