theorycrafting

[glass birch]

Frontier Pog is stronger than 133 AI

[frozen tide]

What did twilight mean before this

[drifting quest]

ult themed

forgeborn stanza were on ult cast

rascent buffs ult damage

[terse valley]

assuming rossi ult numbers are up in the clouds

[drifting quest]

i forget the other twilight weapons

[terse valley]

they're all related to ult

[drifting quest]

aspirant is ult damage buff

oblivion is on ult cast

i guess its ult damage too

[daring dove]

Speak for yourself I have "we" conversation. At the end of the day we both just wasted each others time in conversations we weren't even interested in having lets drop it an move on.

[drifting quest]

i forgot aspirant and rascent

[wispy shuttle]

i think glorious memory being twilight makes sense in the ult buffing context

[drifting quest]

im not trying to get on your case but it is a problem when people misinterpret what you say and then come to wrong conclusions

i get that it dragged on but for the sake of not ending with you channel banned by mods or whatnot I did want to try make it clear

[glass birch]

Would it need to be that high?

133 Pog-
38% Damage taken
24% Suscept (P1 Ard)
(~71%)
vs.

Frontier Pog-
24% Damage taken
24% Suscept
16% Dmg
(~78%)

[terse valley]

ehhh

[normal tangle]

how

it seems to fit all the other ones

[frozen tide]

Dmg bonus is generally by far the most saturated multiplied

[glass birch]

Twilight was thought to be on ult cast specifically

[drifting quest]

i forgot rascent and aspirant were twilight

[glass birch]

Not just on skill cast

[drifting quest]

its my bad

[daring dove]

Why would the mods ever ban me over a disgreement. Honestly do you value everything you say that highly that you think me disagreeing with you would result in my banning I'm pretty close to blocking you rn.

[normal tangle]

[neat snow]

You should know some of these people have nothing better to do than argue on the internet all day. I would not even engage.

[drifting quest]

they would channel ban for misinformation which again might not have been your intention but it was the result

[frozen tide]

Im not quite understanding why frontiers pog is a discussion

[drifting quest]

im not blaming you im simply stating what the visible outcome was to what you had said

[daring dove]

WHAT MISINFORMATION, it was a rough approximation which I made clear this is borderline absurd now.

[wispy shuttle]

however this is already not always the case in the current state of the game

[drifting quest]

two people [misinterpreted] your messages to believe that different types of buffs added together

[frozen tide]

Is the assumption that rossi will apply bonkers dmg taken whilst not having much dmg bonus

[daring dove]

An even if I was wrong why would that result in my banning.

[terse valley]

misinformative nature or misleading

[drifting quest]

ive linked said messages before

which again even if it wasnt intended by your messages they were still mislead into a misinformed belief

[frozen tide]

It is unnecessarily reductive to add mults together for estimation

[daring dove]

Shuo honestly go outside an touch some grass.

[terse valley]

really man?

[drifting quest]

lmao

im trying to be civil

but my bad i guess

[frozen tide]

It provides hardly any meaningful numbers

[normal tangle]

i think the assumption was arde+perli team or something

i honestly have no idea what they're cooking

[daring dove]

By saying I should be banned for disagreeing with you really civil.

[frozen tide]

Huh

[drifting quest]

i am quite literally trying to help you avoid such a case

[normal tangle]

they both provide a lot of dmg taken

i saw arde being thrown around in there

[daring dove]

Don't help me going forward I don't need it.

[drifting quest]

have at it

[quasi quarry]

that is not what they said but ok

[frozen tide]

I just don't know how ard would fit

[drifting quest]

if we're being petty i have no issues reporting it and being that petty

[frozen tide]

Perli maybe ig

[normal tangle]

hey don't ask me man i wasn't the one doing it

[frozen tide]

My bet would be that gilb will be good with her

[daring dove]

Go ahead, I'm past caring with you trying to wall garden this channel.

[frozen tide]

And maybe pog

[drifting quest]

lmao

[frozen tide]

🤔

[hollow swan]

how is Ardelia not in literally every optimal team she seems insane

[normal tangle]

she costs sp

[drifting quest]

sp cost to access her buff

[normal tangle]

simplest answer

[drifting quest]

is the big limiter

she can also buff less than other slots

[frozen tide]

Ard is just never good for hyper optimization

[normal tangle]

100sp is like a lot

[frozen tide]

She's universally good

[drifting quest]

or provide less alternative value like sp generation, stacking, etc.

[normal tangle]

that 100sp could be spent doing real dmg

[terse valley]

her buff costs sp and she has no infliction

[frozen tide]

Just never optimal optimal

[hollow swan]

ya know what that makes sense. im also not a huge fan of her combo trigger condition

[frozen tide]

Ard is still a solid unit

Esp for a free one

[drifting quest]

sp is the biggest bottleneck on every team

[frozen tide]

With a free sig

[normal tangle]

in 2028 we will get vanguards that regen 200sp per rotation

arde will come back

heed my words

[drifting quest]

you still see ard being 'optimal' in like laev hyper because her combo can also proc laev combo which helps with stacking

[wispy shuttle]

so soon already

[frozen tide]

Vanguard cs that makes next bs not use sp

[drifting quest]

anything that role compresses ardelia's functions makes her viable

[normal tangle]

refund 100sp

you will never gain ult again

[drifting quest]

so anything that would care about heals, ult cast frequency, corrosion, etc.

[normal tangle]

waiting for nature striker that relies on corrosion

[frozen tide]

Ard having decent universal buffs with very high uptime and being a healer makes her very versatile

[glass birch]

Gonna be a while. Maybe end of 1.3?

We have that spear guy we have no info about lol

[normal tangle]

isn't that li?

that one girl

[terse valley]

Zuang Fangyi

[glass birch]

no its a guy

Fangyi is electric

[normal tangle]

i forgot what they looked like

[terse valley]

idk man she's green as heck

[glass birch]

The guy I'm talking about was in the new horizons vid

[normal tangle]

mfs will see someone go into lightning avatar form to cast bolts from the sky, but because they're vaguely green they're nature

[terse valley]

thunder is technically a force of nature 🤷‍♂️

[glass birch]

Lore wise she literally practices Electric style arts Color dont mean a thing.

... We also see her literally control lightning.

[sterile herald]

thunder is sound bro

we talking lightning

still nature but

xd

[terse valley]

ok but nature would be really funny

[sterile herald]

true

[glass birch]

Why is perlica electric then?

Her ult is literally a thunderbolt lol

[frozen tide]

She is connected to xiranite mayb xiranite is ultra giga nature thingy nature

[sterile herald]

dont ask me bro

[terse valley]

i thought her ult is an artillery strike from dijiang?

[normal tangle]

..it is?

[pearl cypress]

Electric/nature dual type so everyone loses

[normal tangle]

it certainly doesn't look like one

[sterile herald]

nature should be renamed to like

[karmic tusk]

its not

[sterile herald]

grass

gg

[frozen tide]

Since when is perli ult a lightning bolt

[karmic tusk]

nope

[normal tangle]

W thunder bolt

lets put on our glasses next time

[karmic tusk]

ong

[frozen tide]

Perli ult isn't even her own arts

She just uses money

[terse valley]

https://tenor.com/view/mrz-gif-19587670

[frozen tide]

.30k

[crystal coral]

https://tenor.com/view/endfield-gif-16598060722242561803

[karmic tusk]

perlica is batman confirmed

[drifting quest]

tele protocol = uses power to use it = electricity = electric damage

[hollow swan]

i have been digging into the math behind things recently but ill be honest it's a lot of work i don't really want to do. im interested in the performance of off-meta teams though. like Perlica or Wulfgard reaction focused teams. how much worse they are than the hyper carry teams.

[drifting quest]

[normal tangle]

see why doesn't gilberta do this

[karmic tusk]

https://tenor.com/view/jgmm-cat-meme-ragebait-cat-think-cat-ponder-gif-7034802297606826390

[normal tangle]

jane gravity has no control of gravity

fucked up world

[karmic tusk]

fr

gil main dps

[glass birch]

Nvm its not. Shows I dont play elec

[frozen tide]

What other ults isn't actually the operators doing

Ake?

[glass birch]

I still wouldnt say a literall pillar falling on someone is an artillary strike though

[drifting quest]

the only 'real' application of non forced reactions would be shatter teams and like 4corro setups

until someone corrects me about another i forgot

[glass birch]

Oh its magnetism.

Thats why

[karmic tusk]

pog, unless his shieldguards are controlled by his arts or smth idk

[glass birch]

[daring dove]

Perlica at high investment seems extremely strong. Wulfguard everyone seems to just be building for ult spam. So I think the data is a bit more unknowable. That said I doubt he's near someone like Perlica who can legimitely deal very good damage.

[frozen tide]

Non forced reactions can be good just needs the right units

[frozen tide]

He spawns them out of thin air

How he or they do that

Where do they come from

[drifting quest]

they're just kinda a bit too much investment for too little payoff

[terse valley]

hi hello

[drifting quest]

you'd have to strongarm it with some pretty insane in kit payoff

[glass birch]

Looks like they're just the manifestation of his arts?

[frozen tide]

Hi

[frozen tide]

Could very well be

Summons thugs with his arts

[karmic tusk]

https://tenor.com/view/arknights-arknights-endfield-endfield-アークナイツ-エンドフィールド-gif-9806401451628041930

also summons the wind for aura farming

[honest hill]

oh I hate how they're being so vague af

[karmic tusk]

https://tenor.com/view/piccolo-aura-piccolo-aura-aura-farming-aura-farm-gif-4796219510675252498

[drifting quest]

welcome to hypergryph

[honest hill]

we should've known during dev log

[terse valley]

imaginary numbers technique

[drifting quest]

no numbers till live

[glass birch]

sadge

[honest hill]

[glass birch]

no numbers

[honest hill]

okay

let's imagine

[drifting quest]

granted we got some of the more relevant numbers guessed from the video

[hollow swan]

ive been playing Perlica, Gil, Arclight, Endmin and it feels good. got Perli in full crit gear. they'll all lvl 60 E3 and they're blasting the farming protocol spaces pretty well. thats about as far as ive gotten though. pure feels crafting at this point.

[karmic tusk]

i havent looked into it much, but will slotting tang tang into a shatter team allow for enough ice stacking to possibly do 4 stack solidifications

[honest hill]

it goes up to 2

[drifting quest]

its only really damage numbers we are missing

[honest hill]

now u can make a number

boom

[drifting quest]

works, will clear, is just worse than vuln stacking from chen

[honest hill]

how about dmg dealt is 20/25% stacks up to 2 times for 15-20s

[frozen tide]

Im gonna pull soup and bank on a future support weapon releasing that'll be good for tang

[terse valley]

Holy cope

[drifting quest]

stanza pistols 1.2 trust

[karmic tusk]

i mean estella + da pan would prob be enough vuln stacking if u ran estella, da pan, tang tang, alesh or smth like that, especially with max ult gain estella set

[frozen tide]

Plzzzz

[terse valley]

OBJ
take it or leave it

[frozen tide]

I need this hg

[normal tangle]

wait isn't that straight up just a direct upgrade to aspirant

[drifting quest]

p5 dapan makes it a bit more copeable but you lose the additional benefits endmin provides over dapan

[normal tangle]

what is the point of ever using aspirant

[hollow swan]

i like the idea of teams that aren't just a hyper carry and 3 units buff the carry but like no one seems to entertain that idea for whatever reason which leaves me to figure it out and im lazy.

[drifting quest]

better drip for chen

[frozen tide]

Nobody ever uses that weap

Icl

[karmic tusk]

yea but id argue that higher damage is worth less than da pans high vuln stacking with ult and p5 bs in a team like this

[terse valley]

physical team:

[frozen tide]

Sundering exists

[drifting quest]

physical (both normal and shatter) teams are this
electric also tends to be this sort of team as dual dps

[normal tangle]

you can't just say sundering

there are two sundering weapons

[karmic tusk]

physical team

[drifting quest]

cryo is potentially dual dps with tangtang

[terse valley]

sundereel

sunderince

[drifting quest]

rossi is almost certainly dual (if not triple) dps stuff

[glass birch]

Rossi's team is likely just Rossi + Crush to wipe vulnerability stacks

[karmic tusk]

i mean from what ive seen she can kinda just slot in instead of chen in a phys team

[daring dove]

Someone posted a really nice video of P5 Perlica with P3 Oblivion solo'ing Umbral im my estimiation. She was clearly faster than a P5/P5 Yvonne or Last Rite would clear by themselves. But in terms of overall team performance I imagine it would be quite a bit slower.

[hollow swan]

yeah i guess physical is a fair point. i guess i just think about the crusher as the carry.

[normal tangle]

she cannot

[daring dove]

Can't find it now though

[drifting quest]

can yes, is worse but only really matters for minmax

[normal tangle]

she's just gonna be chen but a lot worse

[drifting quest]

(this is a tc channel so most people care about minmax)

[glass birch]

You have to swap in someone who can apply arts inflictions reliably for her to fill chen's role. Thats a 2f1 deal

[drifting quest]

but you can just slap her in if you're adamant on running her

it'll still clear because physical is wheelchair the comp

[normal tangle]

maybe rossi gilb for better aoe clear on phys teams

[karmic tusk]

rossi can apply arts inflictions herself with her ult

[terse valley]

endmin crush is like ~40% of the team damage

in pog linfeng chen endmin

[glass birch]

wrong reply

[terse valley]

im crine

[glass birch]

reliably

[normal tangle]

arts infliction after your burst is already done 🔥

[frozen tide]

Rossi solo 3 vuln has potential trust

[terse valley]

arts infliction for next rotation 🗣️

[normal tangle]

maybe they change it so it procs infliction on first hit instead of last who knows

[karmic tusk]

it is reliable, i threw together a rotation for da pan, lifeng, rossi, pog, and it looks like it will work quite well

[normal tangle]

self-combustion

[glass birch]

You still will likely lose dmg for the split scaling + having to build Energy gain efficiency to try and make it work

[drifting quest]

it will be so funny (i will mald) when rossi potentials fix all her issues

[karmic tusk]

probably not, rossi will almost defo do quite a bit more damage than chen, and on top of that applies phys susceptibility

[drifting quest]

expecting rossi to outdps chen is uh

[glass birch]

Phys dmg taken* Which adds to Pog's breach.

[drifting quest]

somewhat disneyland expectations

[gaunt mason]

[terse valley]

do you start rotation with rossi ult or what

[normal tangle]

wait when did rossi apply phys susc

what

[gaunt mason]

dmg taken

[drifting quest]

she applys phys damage taken

[terse valley]

dmg taken, not susc

[normal tangle]

oh

[drifting quest]

at the cost of jumping through hoops a bit

[terse valley]

same thing different thing

thanks HG

[normal tangle]

is that some crit effect or something? i lowk don't remember her doing that

[glass birch]

I mean, all it requires is to use her BS against a target w/ a vuln stack

[karmic tusk]

its a really rough rotation that i just threw together but it would prob look smth like this

[glass birch]

Talent 1

[terse valley]

BS on enemy with vuln

[normal tangle]

oh so like reverse lifeng

[terse valley]

well if u put it like that

[frozen tide]

6 star output

I believe

Not that im pulling rossi anyw

[drifting quest]

said hoop is sp spending and fitting her into the rot, particularly at a time where you can then benefit from the buff before it expires

[terse valley]

smh fake believer

[glass birch]

Ult before her combo is so cringe though. You're missing out on the buff from her combo 💀

[dry kindle]

Ok whel

[drifting quest]

i mean yeah 6* output... split between two different damage types

[glass birch]

combo buffs CR and CD

[normal tangle]

is that not what it is 💔

[daring dove]

Bet you fold like a house of cards.

[frozen tide]

If i pull im whel if I don't pull im whel if i win my 50 50 im whel if i get smth with guarantee im whel

[smoky quarry]

Do you think that laevatein can get better fire caster than wulfgard in future?

[frozen tide]

If i buy monthly im whel

Inescapable fate

[dry kindle]

Stop wheling

[frozen tide]

[glass birch]

Lets be honest though; is it really that bad in her case? Her main damage is likely her ult which is arts. If we build her as a burst DPS for her ult she doesnt exactly lose that much... And her combo can kind of help itself stay relavant even if we arent buffing phys dmg with it's scaling off Inflictions consumed

[frozen tide]

Probably actually won't cause im committed on cryo now and im not a big spender either

Mostly just buy bp and monthly

[terse valley]

ok whel

[frozen tide]

🐳

[glass birch]

Her BS just becomes a debuffing tool and her Combo is a buffing tool (Also helps with the lower DPS from the phys side) while her main dmg comes from her ult

[frozen tide]

My selfie

[hollow swan]

interesting i dont' think ive seen that one. ive got Oblivion so i figured she could potentially be a solid on-fielder. i did watch some crit Perlica vid that inspired me to build her with MI Security.

[drifting quest]

which is why most stuff i have believed to be promising is centered on arts burst gameplay yes

but why she would be weaker than chen

[frozen tide]

If hg has any idea if what they are doing there is no way rossi is a worse dps than chen

[glass birch]

She'd be weaker at trying to fill Chen's role at least

[frozen tide]

My 2 cents

[neat snow]

I'm sure every unit will get power creeped eventually but Laev team is really solid

[terse valley]

you have way more than that

[frozen tide]

I have 200 cents

I lied

[terse valley]

[glass birch]

Like dmg wise Rossi looks like she'll be solid... But in terms of doing phys dmg she'd need another operator to apply inflictions to help her dmg output for the lack of a phys dmg ult.

which would result in her losing out on dmg if trying to replace chen's spot in the Striker/endmin-Pog-Chen-Lifeng team

I do think chen could be a nice stagger bot to carry around as a fill operator for Rossi's team though

[karmic tusk]

lwk make mi fu a crush dps who also applies some inflictions to go along with rossi

[daring dove]

Yeah, I do think Laevatain especially at whale invest is the furthest away from power creep rn. She does lots of things really well, the other big carries are a bit more pigeon holed. That said it all depends on whats down the pipeline. We could end up with a Arlecchino into Mavuika situation. Sometimes gacha devs do stupid things.

[glass birch]

Electro Striker w/ Crush

[terse valley]

im tired af i thought u said " to carry around as a fish operator"

[daring dove]

That said power-creeping your headlining character for launch 2-6 months after release wouldn't inspire confidence. So I hope we avoid that.

[normal tangle]

god can you imagine

striker mifu with support fangyi

getting 0 sales with that one 🗣️

[glass birch]

Ehhh

Fangyi is likely just gonna be electric Lae

[hollow swan]

that does seem like the most likely scenario

[glass birch]

Mode change on ult
Bskill that causes aoe electric infliction
Combo that CCs maybe?
Enhanced basics in ult
Enhanced Battle skill w/ some resource that has a strong AOE hit?

[hollow swan]

i could see Fangyi having an exalted weapon like Laev

[glass birch]

heck, thematically xiranite is used as a power source, so having her consume electric infliction like a thermal generator kinda fits

[frozen tide]

Exalted is crazy

[hollow swan]

just straight up casting chain lightning as basic attacks or something

im a warframe player i can't help it

[glass birch]

personally I'd like to see more CC

more operators that function like gil's BS

but more like a fire and forget kinda thing

instead of being a channel

[daring dove]

Maybe we'll see a running theme though of the launch patch character being a bit higher value. Although as always I don't expect it to remain consistent even if the devs try to do that. Sometimes the best characters take a while to figure out.

[karmic tusk]

how exactly does tang tangs infliction stacking work, the way i understand it its basically just her bs does 1 stack her ult does 1 stack right

[proud vector]

Yeah

[main nova]

if the content were still these easy friendly powercrept barely has any impact

[glass birch]

BS does one stack
... Thats it.

She has a talent that lets her get a free cast of her BS at the end of her ult that does the same thing, but increases dmg

[hollow swan]

yeah its not like one infliction per whirlpool right?

[glass birch]

Its 1 per cast

[karmic tusk]

💔

ok so shes buns at stacking for the most part

ig shes more of a sub dps

and shes does susc

[glass birch]

Consuming whirlpools and turning them into waterspouts just makes her deal more dmg, apply suscept based on consumed whirlpools, and refund some SP (Cap of 2)

[proud vector]

Xaihi is your other source of cyro infliction usually

[karmic tusk]

twining with our pfps 🔥

[main nova]

my xaihi there just for the amp

[daring dove]

That's true, we do need more difficult content a lot more difficult. Everything we have rn can be cleared by a single character (not even a good one) by themselves. But I hope they find away to do that without adding a 2-3 minute timer.

[frozen tide]

Xaihi my beloved

[hollow swan]

are Laev, Last Rite, Yvonne all Strikers?

i don't own any of them

[daring dove]

Yep

[glass birch]

Strikers are;
Lae, Last Rite, Yvonne, Avy, and Da pan.

[main nova]

unlike other game this game enemy did not give any obvious sign to attack which is quite hard for normal player to properly dodge some normal attack, it almost feels like dark soul in that regard, but if you kinda already used to that kind of pattern its kinda easy

[hollow swan]

oh yeah i forgot about Avy

[normal tangle]

that's ok, laev is the only good one

[glass birch]

avy being a striker is weird but I guess the reasoning is "She consumes placed spears to do damage"? Seems kinda a stretch

[proud vector]

Strikers seem to be the “play around me pls” operators

[drifting quest]

strikers are just consume infliction for benefit

[daring dove]

There's quite a big differenc between them though. For example it's possible to build Leavatain to be pretty self sufficient & be able to build her own ult pretty much instantly. LR can also work decentish by herself. Where as Yvonne needs a full team of specific supports to properly function. That said Yvonne has the highest damage ceiling as well.

[drifting quest]

so yeah you build around them because of stacking infliction to consume

[main nova]

isnt Yvonne not supposed to be a striker

[proud vector]

Wait Avy consumes inflictions? I thought she was a generator

[drifting quest]

they might not specify inflictions

[drifting quest]

it might be something generic like arts effects

[main nova]

[vapid flame]

neither, she just needs infliction or elec to place spear

[drifting quest]

to catch all

[hollow swan]

right i think Avy fits. shes works essentially like a crusher does i think. like you want to like up your buffs for her big hit. Striker just specifies capitalizing on your teammates effects.

[main nova]

gimme back my caster yvonne HG

[daring dove]

Same

[proud vector]

Caught in 40K

Joking aside yeah Avy is the black sheep of the strikers, her spears are pretty unique a mechanic

[drifting berry]

Bruh, devs don't want us knowing anything before 1.1 arrives, the only scrap we got was the bp weapon passive without numbers.

[drifting quest]

real

if im wrong i would expect people to call me out

for the betterment of the channel

[main nova]

rossie will be striker crit after release, trust

[drifting berry]

They are surely plotting with content creator to kill independent theorycrafters

[proud vector]

Now that’s one hell of a theory

A Theorycrafting Theory!

[drifting berry]

https://tenor.com/view/sea-lion-sea-lion-sealion-spinna-gif-6572328635488597288

They saw iana's guide on pins and because they didn't like the languaje used with Yvonne they dediced to do this

[proud vector]

Lmfaoooo

[lofty frigate]

brother may i have some oats

[boreal coral]

Can someone calculate how many weeks of progress I just loss 😭 holy bricked account

[drifting quest]

yvonne got a decent glow up with more extensive testing, tc, sig access, gilb access, et.c

[proud vector]

I’m pretty sure it’s just that hyperglyph is being careful around leek as they LOVE fomo forcing pulls

[lofty frigate]

like 5 days of f2p sanity

[drifting berry]

Bro just wasted 1480 sanity

[main nova]

not spending sanity, totally bricked

[proud vector]

The less information we have the more FOMO it isn’t

[warped sorrel]

ruin acc

[daring dove]

Some of the language used in the guides here can be a bit off-putting to some I had one of my friends in the Genshin TC-ing community mention that to me. Although personally I don't really care about the language or language policing to be honest.

[proud vector]

It’s kinda rough yeah
We ought to have some competition to Iana doc by now but the EN side of things is lacking I suppose in front facing TC

[main nova]

if you dont know what to farm just farm money

[drifting berry]

Yeah me neither, the problem was people on #help not believing guide on pins because of that

Tho that was pretty early

[proud vector]

I mean now that the doc is saying don’t play Yvonne without Gilb….when Gilb is gone….

Does it still say that?

[main nova]

more like why you did not pull gilb

[proud vector]

reverse fomo, I’m skipping the entirety of 1.0

[drifting berry]

Now with content creators making more videos and most of the opinions aligning with iana's spreadsheet it seems that people no longer question iana's guide as much.

[daring dove]

My friend in particular was really nettled over a guide saying don't bother using LR if you don't have sig. Which to be fair is a bit of a silly statement, a character isn't unusable especially in this game just because their alternative weapon is 15-20% weaker. But honestly I kind of just saw the statement as one intended to be funny not taken literally?

Problem is sarcasm is hard to read in text form I guess.

[drifting berry]

they need to add the "/s" at the end

[main nova]

I even main ember with sundered prince.

[proud vector]

Like

On one hand it’s a bit of a joke to imply the character isn’t usable without signature

But on the other hand the alternative options for LR kinda blow lmfao

[warm galleon]

I won't recommend dps tangtang without her p5 sig

[proud vector]

it’s like a half joke

[main nova]

they theorize before even playing the game

[drifting berry]

Yeah, Last Rite is probably the operator that will notice the most not having signature.

[gritty olive]

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/1466958391174889722/1480039650683916502/image.png?ex=69b18596&is=69b03416&hm=3bebbcca64b378b41fd7d8e5d720414dd65ee192475945e39027758622c40425&

Imt rying to make a more neutral build guide

[drifting berry]

Last Rite and then Laev

[proud vector]

It’s a combination of just how good Khrav really is combined with how bad the alternatives are

[gritty olive]

But this is the only panel i have

[warped sorrel]

DDLC ahh background

[gritty olive]

More like since im from HSR discord help im trying to siphon every guide the discord has

And i have permissions to do so

[warped sorrel]

why is tthat

[daring dove]

Ultimately though I don't mind the community here even if I did have a bit of a bad experience with someone trying to gate-keep it earlier.

[main nova]

the game never force us to get that good with sig anyway, unless you want some deal stupid damage for content ofcourse

its always fun to tinker with low tier weapon

[gritty olive]

If you guys want to contribute to even more of this i can send the link rn

[main nova]

need Stanza but sword

[drifting berry]

2nd best option is sundered prince which has issues of having crit rate and meh passive, while signature has ATK% on sub stat and better passive

[main nova]

better, Stanza of each type weapon

[proud vector]

…honestly

[main nova]

[daring dove]

I'm still stuck at P1 Yvonne Sig

[proud vector]

Sundered stagger is not bad if you don’t have Khrav

Infliction teams dont stagger as good as phys and it can really suck sometimes

[edgy crater]

stanza for gun

[karmic tusk]

me not even having sigs for most of my characters 😎 (my luck is horrible)

[main nova]

i like how simple and effective stanza is

[drifting berry]

Yeah honestly is not has bad as I though

[proud vector]

200% ultimate energy gain being easily achieved is

Some wild stuff

Means the usual formula of 4xBS 2xCS to an ult is able to be halved in some cases

[warm galleon]

1.1 drops: Is that Rossi with Thermite?

[karmic tusk]

yes

💔

[drifting berry]

Honestly I'm scare of Fluorite mains, if Tangtang signature or BP weapon works on her no one will be able to shut them up.

[vapid flame]

bp weapon only buffs bs and has +cryo dmg

[daring dove]

Would be low-key really funny if Thermite somehow ended up Rossi's BiS as well.

Hey Pog, your sig is trash here's a Thermite.

[drifting berry]

Didn't read it correctly, bp on her is ass

[daring dove]

One for you as well Rossi.

[drifting berry]

I guess will depend on Tangtang signature

Also what is that passive? Gives Cryo DMG boost on sub stat but passive increase Cryo and Nature DMG?

[proud vector]

heh. Hybrid elemental damage here I come!

[daring dove]

I didn't know her weapon was already revealed. Well her BP weapon.

[proud vector]

Nature/Cyro unit!

[drifting berry]

Hell nah, not on my watch

Not this early

[proud vector]

With the good kind of hybrid scaling where the attack scales on Cyro AND Nature damage amps, but does Nature damage!

[drifting berry]

yeah I read it so wrong the first time, I though it buffed Nature and Cryo damage for the whole team after the wielder used a combo skill

[vapid flame]

and corrosion applies twice while we're dreaming

[proud vector]

Yoooo

[edgy crater]

basically saying a possiblity of xaihi stanza on nature comp

[proud vector]

Xaihi in a nature comp seems a little rough around the edges

But it would rule out deto unit so fair

[drifting berry]

Problem is that it buffs the wielder, not the team, so having the Nature DMG part doesn't really do anything.

[proud vector]

It does stuff only if you lose the entirety of the second line

[daring dove]

Yeah I honestly don't get that. Why even buff Nature as well when the secondary skill only buffs cryo damage. Stupid design to be honest, should of at least made the nature buff team-wide since it will obviously suffer in personal damage on a Nature character.

[proud vector]

Which sucks sooooooooooo much

[ornate rapids]

My Laevatain is P3 so do i remove wulfgard for antal?

[vapid flame]

it's just bad unfort lol, sometimes hg just does that

[proud vector]

Antal is a single target specialist that sucks lizard dick on anything AoE

keep both around as needed

[ornate rapids]

I got 2 laev dupes in 20 free pulls

[normal tangle]

nerd

[daring dove]

Don't put that image in my head

[ornate rapids]

with gil and yvonne

[normal tangle]

dweebcore

[proud vector]

What have you done?!
I said it in a funny meme way, now the image is in my head too!

[honest hill]

should've spent it all before instead of letting it sit in ur inventory

[proud vector]

They’re designed to run out after the weekend

It’s a FOMO system once again but

Weekend = farmend is not the worst

[oak vigil]

Mmmmhhh, genuine question:

When using Perlica and Gilby at the same team, is it better to go for tier 4 corrosion or tier 4 electrification?

[proud vector]

oo

[oak vigil]

With tier 4 electrification also possible to apply tier 1 corrosion too

[proud vector]

….thats a hard one ngl

[boreal coral]

I've finished all the content, so I've been doing the dailies on autopilot (like most peeps) until the 12th 😭 game caught me lacking cuz I ended up forgetting about the vit refreshes

[honest hill]

I mean the game shows xdays on valuable stash

[proud vector]

The strength of corrosion lv4 is that the duration can be upkeep by feeding corrosion lv1’s, and it skips the tick down of resistance to the reduction cap

[honest hill]

it's fine tho it's just like 1480 sanity which is like a week's worth sanity gone

[oak vigil]

Ooooh

[drifting berry]

Also what about Rossi BP weapon, seems decent I think?

Being a 6* it should give 156 AGI and +19,5% Crit rate

And Aspirant having a similar passive gives at max potentials gives +44,8% Ultimate DMG and +33,6% physical damage during ult after applying lift. But since Glorious Memory is a 6* the multipler should be higher.

if added Aspirant gives +78,4% I would expect Glorious Memory to give around +98% Ult DMG?

[boreal coral]

ngl I never noticed that, does it appear on the menu icon or you gotta go in to check?

[proud vector]

Electrification lv4 is just arts amp, but up front and with a long 30 second duration

Ergh let me find the numbers for corrosion….

[honest hill]

u know the menu where u can click on anything it's there

[gritty olive]

yeah just hope we dont have cr buffers

like very early

[oak vigil]

Mmmhhc I see

I’ll test out later, since I didn’t know with upkeep corriosion also keeps resistance breaking, thought it resets

Thanks!

[honest hill]

100%

[drifting berry]

Gacha games for some reason don't like rounded numbers

If anything 99,8%

[honest hill]

nerds

[daring dove]

Very straight forward & easy to use. I like it, provided the "certain" duration isn't less than 5 seconds.

[vapid flame]

avy or yvonne?

[drifting berry]

Tho in reality it should be closer to +98,6%. For main stats the increase from a 5 to a 6* weapon is x1,258. So +78,4%*1,258=+98,6%

[oak vigil]

||Antal||

Okay besides my shtick of using Antal as DPS, just as the whole asking that question for that combo in specific, trying out other teams too with Perlica and Gilby

[proud vector]

Exact numbers are a bit rough since corrosion depends on enemy resistances too

They’re both pretty good, but electrification comes fully ramped and a long 30sec duration

Corrosion needs ramp time, usually more damage boost when fully ramped, lasts only 15s, but can be refreshed by lv1 corrosions, and is in a better damage bracket if you already have arts damage taken debuff sources other than electrification

Hell you can use both, alternating between rotations

[dusk isle]

I go for corro if possible since perli already does lv2 elec (at p4)

[daring dove]

My biggest concern I have right now is how horrible a second stat CR is. They really need to re-adjust its value.

The choice shouldn't be between 39% ATK or 19.5% CR.

When even 39% CR is worse than 39% ATK.

Not that I'd be complaining nearly as much if the CR bonus was closer to 30-40%.

[proud vector]

That’s with a base 50% crit damage

It seems that instead of crit damage as the crit payoff in this game, kit interactions are the crit payoff

Rossi will be using crit as an on-hit effect haha

[drifting berry]

Having Crit Rate is that you get access to MI Security and since Rossi be spaming hits she should be able to reach 5 stacks easily even with low crit rate, the problem is that you only get 5% CR and at 5 stacks you get an additional 5% CR and 25% ATK

Hopefully the update on gear improves MI Security numbers

[midnight stirrup]

Brother

[vapid flame]

yeah it depends but probably you want to ramp corrosion then use perlica elec for finisher during gilb ult. it's also tricky if you're going for arclight buff

[midnight stirrup]

Can this channel not have drama for two seconds

Yall taking this game way too serious with these pride argument fights

[daring dove]

Hopefully I still don't think they should imbalance weapon sub-stats so badly & hope the gear sets will go some-way to fixing it. Especially when gear sets will change constantly.

[drifting berry]

?

[proud vector]

math nerds do not make for good empaths

[midnight stirrup]

My god

[daring dove]

He's likely talking about me & shou earlier.

[drifting berry]

Oh I see

didn't understand the "pride argument fights" part

[proud vector]

sweep sweep 🧹

[midnight stirrup]

The fact that yall are so confident in your own argument that you start being pissy about it

[oak vigil]

I feel like crit not being a better option isn’t a bad thing, tbh.
In some cases it’s better and I feel like it just depends on the operators we are getting if anything
(like how Yvonne’s ultimate stance has very fast attack, benefitting from it)

[drifting berry]

Bro you are fighting a ghost

[proud vector]

Yeah, agreed

[midnight stirrup]

Why you speaking on it when you didnt even know what it was about

Please

[oak vigil]

There is like no fast attack operators besides Yvonne’s ult, soooo

[midnight stirrup]

The people who I am talking about know who they are

[proud vector]

It has a lot of competition since this game has many, many multiplicative ways to boost dmg

[daring dove]

I wasn't even confident in my argument, just didn't like the channel gate-keeping & comments around me being banned over a disagreement. Either way it's long since over so no need to restart it.

[midnight stirrup]

Genuinely getting tired of this server constantly having drama. Can this channel be civil for 5 minutes

[midnight stirrup]

Im not saying u were wrong or right idc either

[proud vector]

this channel was civil for more than 5 minutes until this topic started again

[gritty olive]

19 cr only gives average like 10% more dps

[midnight stirrup]

But like why do these arguments constantly have to turn toxic

[gritty olive]

Over 5 50

[drifting berry]

Then why using "The fact that yall"? When the issue is with 2 persons or more?

[proud vector]

yeah what did I do

[drifting berry]

honestly I don't care

[midnight stirrup]

Why you feeling involved in yall when u werent

Then why are u argueing with me lmfao

[glass birch]

Her ult also has higher base Crit Damage

[proud vector]

Cuz now the chat is in a bit of a hissy fit state

[gritty olive]

[proud vector]

Ooo neat

[midnight stirrup]

Idc it had to be said

[drifting berry]

Yeah, if Rossi Crit Damage stat is high enough then Crit Rate is not really that bad

[glass birch]

Rossi's combo also provides a Crit rate and Crit damage buff

how high? No one knows yet

[gritty olive]

We still have to wait since we dont know talents

[midnight stirrup]

Is Rossi full kit out huh

[proud vector]

huh

[honest hill]

sus

[glass birch]

Yeah

[proud vector]

So much stuff in the kits that aren’t shown in tooltips huh

[vapid flame]

they'll probably add more crit dmg gear or buffs eventually

[proud vector]

what is this

[glass birch]

It was talked about, just no numbers shown

[drifting berry]

Also while we could get an idea on BP weapon we know little about her signature other than AGI on primary and Crit Rate on secundary probably

[proud vector]

Waow

me blind

[gritty olive]

Our first 100:200 character

[proud vector]

Me ape

[honest hill]

then we will all be crit fishing

[drifting berry]

Now Signature gives a flat +X% Crit Damage and on top of that you get Ult damage after applying vulnerability or something

[honest hill]

atk will be useless

crit will be everything

crit crit crit crit

[proud vector]

So she innately has no atk% increases

[glass birch]

Sounds to be the norm w/ gachas

[proud vector]

That makes endmin atk boost and thermite so good on her as support

[honest hill]

yeah but we have rng w crits from gear

[proud vector]

Poggers

[vapid flame]

combat should be gacha too

[honest hill]

don't have that in ake

[honest hill]

true

[daring dove]

[glass birch]

I mean. Crit built characters can reach at minimum 50% Cr with some going upwards to 100% (Looking at you yvonne)

[honest hill]

why u looking at me like that

[drifting berry]

Arts intencity will be the meta for main dps soon, trust

[honest hill]

I trust

[glass birch]

Isnt it already with crush?

[drifting berry]

idk, don't play physical and I refuse to understand it

until rossi ofc

[glass birch]

[daring dove]

I think it's possible to reach around 70% on any character with a CR weapon. That being a good build for said characters though is an entirely other question.

[midnight stirrup]

Anyway

Striker

[daring dove]

I think Ember is an excellent canidiate for a good CR set.

[midnight stirrup]

I need to show u something

[daring dove]

What's that

[glass birch]

Correct. I think if they have some sort of crit boosting passive/talent they can hit 80%

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/956086681499496448/1480401469080600596/SPOILER_aint-no-way-this-came-from-the-official-account-lmao-v0-fnw3y4gz0nlg1.gif

[midnight stirrup]

These are AKEF uploads for legal reasons

[glass birch]

Yvonne butt!

[balmy ocean]

for yvonne, I think tangtang will be everything to her, yesterday angry tiger smacked the shit out of her and reset her ult stacks during her ult form. I thought she had knockback resistance or is it because the enemies red circle attack is guaranteed to knock you back no matter what?

[daring dove]

Nice a solid improvement in your DPS there.

[midnight stirrup]

She on hexenzirkel with Durin now. They were on ass before.

[drifting berry]

I started playing zzz recently, How tf is this character only a npc

[proud vector]

FEater?!

[glass birch]

ZZZ is weird. Their robots are jiggly

[midnight stirrup]

https://tenor.com/view/aria-aria-johiel-yutane-yutane-johiel-zzz-gif-1303885044349354922

[warped sorrel]

she is chinese

[balmy ocean]

thats a good thing, endfield no butt jiggle physics at all

[drifting berry]

https://tenor.com/view/zzz-aria-zzz-aria-zenless-zone-zero-walking-gif-7426723009794008593

[vapid flame]

I'm also curious about this because ember has some stuff about being less likely to be interrupted which might mean it's rng

[proud vector]

If I’m not wrong attacks have levels

And actions have levels too

[daring dove]

Nice, I thought you had a lot more in ya the other day. But didn't want to be that guy that goes around saying "you're damage is low" for the sake of it. Looking much better now though.

[proud vector]

You can notice that the final part of LR string is a bit harder to interrupt than the earlier bits from like basic dog attacks

But you still gets knocked back if the flamethrower guy gives you the Sparta kick

[vapid flame]

yeah noticed that too, avy fs can poise through some attacks but the kick usually wins

[edgy crater]

do we even know when dat fuker do sparta kick

[normal tangle]

yes it's very clearly telegraphed

[edgy crater]

[proud vector]

It’s telegraphed but no red circle if I remember right

[edgy crater]

w8 really?

[proud vector]

It’s just body motion

[normal tangle]

well yeah it's not interruptible

body motion + big red flash

[dusk isle]

Ye, should be no circle

[edgy crater]

i cant see it hand gestured nor sound indicator

[normal tangle]

do you want chen in your ear going "watch out!!! he's gonna kick!!!!!" every single time like during the triangle fight

[vapid flame]

uhh kinda

[edgy crater]

body motion similar to normal flaming atk tho

[normal tangle]

it's not

[edgy crater]

[normal tangle]

you just gotta play more games i think man

[proud vector]

Ok people

[edgy crater]

shit i need to muscle memory it then

[daring dove]

I wonder if this game will follow a trend similar to Genshin's teams are like 60-150k DPS year one, 150k-2.3 million year 5. I certainly hope not.

[dusk isle]

I am as blind as you apparently, i just try to face tank it everytime thinking it is flame strike

[proud vector]

Operation film a Sparta kick is go

[normal tangle]

bros got 0 gamesense

[proud vector]

Tbh I can’t read it that well either, it’s just that if I’m in its face it usually is a kick lmao

But yeah attacks have poise(?) levels which is what ember is referring to

Unfortunately I’m pretty sure a lot of attacks just simply have too high a level to ignore

So it’s kinda bum

[vapid flame]

sorry poise is a dark souls thing lol but same idea

[edgy crater]

dunno tho, probably potato laptop issue as i cant see anyshit infront my lr, its sometimes become transparant

[gritty olive]

Btw a person here got channel banned for a similar image

Which is them just showing their hsr roster

i would be more careful

[proud vector]

Bans? In this channel? Really?

I’ve never observed one….

[drifting quest]

there's a decent few

[bronze plume]

its because of

"derailment of the channel"

or something like that

[odd wren]

[drifting quest]

misinfo, offtopic, nsfw, etc. gets pretty heavy handed approaches

when caught or reported

[gritty olive]

And this is effectively channel derailment

[proud vector]

We’re all dead men walking then

This channel constantly derails lol

[gritty olive]

if no one is using the channel for tc purposes, its not a green light to just siscuss anything under the sun

[drifting quest]

a certain degree of leniency is afforded to offtopic but excessive offtopic or when questions get ignored gets smited

[bronze plume]

as long as questions get awnsered it should be fine

[gritty olive]

Yeah when i was channel banned i made the mistake of sending like 11 offropic images when no one is talking

[bronze plume]

but its on again off again for that

[honest hill]

because TC is done

[gritty olive]

On 4 messages

[bronze plume]

not allowed off topic when nothing is happening smh

[gritty olive]

Yeah thats just fair game

No tc, no talk

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/858254142858199050/918330088519516270/Shiroket-3.gif

[honest hill]

what if we alr tc'd

[midnight stirrup]

Small amounts of offtopic was never burned for

[balmy ocean]

yea I noticed that, I think it depends on the enemies movesets and basic attack phase, somehow Im always able to tank all of the enemies attack moves when I reach her last stack but that might just be luck and I need more playtime on her, I might have to test yvonne stacks knockback at different stack levels, and see how it depends on the enemies attack moves too

[bronze plume]

bro what is that

[pure spoke]

Nearl endfield when

[midnight stirrup]

It was the excessive image posting and nsfw stuff

[drifting quest]

non infected no reconvener

sadly

(she's my favourite)

[dusk isle]

Nearl descendant when

[pure spoke]

Mine too

[bronze plume]

we can infect her within her life span

[midnight stirrup]

This

[pure spoke]

I mean she can get infected between ak and endfield timeline

[gritty olive]

#theorycrafting is mostly 9 people doing feelscraft on already done calcs since the actual tc is homemade

[dusk isle]

Does this hurt the nearl

[bronze plume]

does having rock cancer hurt

[pure spoke]

Yes

[drifting quest]

quite a bit

[midnight stirrup]

Idk u tell me

[gritty olive]

So at most i would just make this #strategy like AKO instead of #theorycrafting

[honest hill]

we could've tc'd more if hg wasn't vague w bp and tt wep

[midnight stirrup]

Does having a rock on ur skin hurt

[gritty olive]

Whos we

[pure spoke]

Depends how big

[proud vector]

I honestly would go hard for a Nearl descendant

[midnight stirrup]

I dont think it matters

[drifting quest]

i mean bp weapons give us a lot of info

[honest hill]

we as in many many ppl here

[pure spoke]

2 tons on your skin hurts quite a lot

[proud vector]

Chen’s descendant is doing damn good

[summer flicker]

could have feelcrafted more if there weapon info

[proud vector]

we love Chen’s descendant

[drifting quest]

like we have tangtang timelines and we know bp weapon is not good in those timelines

rossi bp has similar issues but potentially more manageable

[dusk isle]

Hoping for descendants is my way of coping (pleaase bagpipe descendant and my life is yours hg)

[pure spoke]

Ch'en > chen

[honest hill]

nothing about tt wep tho

[odd wren]

So if my rapid is p3 is it worth to get a p5 bp weapon instead with the new one?

[drifting quest]

maybe

[pure spoke]

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/1461541760801968128/1474317472617467974/buxtm5fknfkg1.gif

[daring dove]

At the end of the day, chat that flows in relevance to the game should be fine. Nobody wants a dead channel where people are afraid to speak for risk of repercussion. Main thing is if people come here for help & they have a question that can be answered people should seek to do so. Outside of that an blatantly talking about off-topic stuff like motorcycles randomly it should be fine.

[drifting quest]

waiting for its atk% and damage% values

[odd wren]

[drifting quest]

if the values are equal to like umbral torch then there's a decent case to be made

[honest hill]

you're right

[pure spoke]

Did someone get banned again ?

[summer flicker]

i wish tangtang weapon buff on inflicting slow or sth (aka combo skill)

[midnight stirrup]

Yeah this should be common sense but its surprising how many people lack this perspective

[drifting quest]

a couple people last week i think yeah

[summer flicker]

if its infliction, ye not gonna buff most rotation

[pure spoke]

Bruh

[drifting quest]

idk if any were regulars

[pure spoke]

Im surprised im not banned

[midnight stirrup]

Those who got banned got banned with decent reasoning so

[drifting quest]

have you done anything ban worthy

[summer flicker]

if its buff on sus, then prolly only appear at the end of rotation depend on rotation

[odd wren]

Endfield chat is chaotic do they ban people there too

[honest hill]

all ik it's applying inflciton give buff

[midnight stirrup]

Probably way more moderated than this one

[gritty olive]

And i got channel banned because i was being too passionate about og arknights since i sent a lot of emems in a short timeperiod where no active tc talk was happening, so we cant be that complacent especially when i see image chains that was grounds for a channel ban

[pure spoke]

This one is behaved

[drifting quest]

we were talking about help bans in this context not server bans
but id assume they do server bans for rulebreaking

[midnight stirrup]

Its the least chaotic, I wouldnt say behaved

[summer flicker]

its ||detonate|| so could be, but i hope its either perform combo skill, or inflicting slow is the condition to trigger it cuz its way easier

[proud vector]

Well server bans happen all the time

[gritty olive]

Someome complaining in #discord-feedback due to their comments about perlica prob got banned or left due to a skipper comment

[pure spoke]

I got a warning because i sent p6 ntr knight

[proud vector]

We see that Elon Musk crypto bot scam every now and again don’t we?

[midnight stirrup]

Anyway

Is Rossi kit out yet

Or nah

[proud vector]

And the #do-not-post-or-get-beaned channel constantly looks like it has new messages in it

[warped sorrel]

no

[barren geyser]

has anyone theory crafted a shatter team with rossi?

[proud vector]

Which is always hilarious to me

[honest hill]

i alr know its ||detonate|| I just know from the vid there's an icon we don't have or will have that's not kit related

[warped sorrel]

datamine is ok right?

.datamine

[crystal coral]

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/956086674729865226/1329386702946566206/unknown-1.png

[proud vector]

yeah in theory it works

[midnight stirrup]

Them not releasing the full kit prior to release is odd

[proud vector]

But has some assumptions

And is a bit sp heavy

[gritty olive]

Spoiler tab datamined assets

[midnight stirrup]

Youre not allowed to datamine; but you are allowed to discuss datamined info spoiler tagged

[proud vector]

And I didn’t do damage calcs on it so maybe it’s bad

[gritty olive]

@midnight stirrup the more appropriate term is

[honest hill]

we guess by TC'ing

[gritty olive]

“Youre not allowed to teach how to datamine”

But we can discuss what peeps have datamined

[proud vector]

It’s a fair rule tbh

[warped sorrel]

i think they trying to minimize drama or something like that

[gritty olive]

“Instructions”

[drifting quest]

om

[warped sorrel]

like review without actually trying

[drifting quest]

id expect if you're going around saying you're datamining you might get bonked too

[midnight stirrup]

Atleast this server doesnt have the HSR rule where u cant speculate lmao

[drifting quest]

since that's against tos and breaking tos is bannable

[barren geyser]

at first i thought of estella gilberta rossi endmin but then reading rossi combo skill, in order for her combo to apply lift it needs to consume arts inflictions right? but solidification already consumes the arts inflictions. so idk. whats your team?

[warped sorrel]

Lmao What??

[midnight stirrup]

Exactly

[gritty olive]

That rule is in place since we cant have people just dreaming

[honest hill]

oh that's fkd up lmao

[gritty olive]

Thats me from being an hsr mod

[drifting quest]

people were just discussing leaks under the guise of 'im just speculating'

[daring dove]

It's quite an easy workaround though, my brother fred "totally not me" datamined x. Quite open for abuse, but I don't really care to be honest. Discord can have whatever rules it wants I'll simply follow them to the best of my ability.

[warped sorrel]

why is Hoyo relate surver so suck

[midnight stirrup]

I think they added it bc leaks exist and they cant differentiate whether its leaks under hiding or actually speculating

[gritty olive]

You cant hope that peopel are guessing out of goodwill

[edgy crater]

if we follow same pattern as yesterday info, kit details either in 4 hour or on mt day

[midnight stirrup]

But its still stupid af

[drifting quest]

the rule wasnt there from day 1 afaik

[gritty olive]

“Where did you know that”
“Dreaming”

[drifting quest]

it got abused > rule got added

[pure spoke]

Show me mi fu kit

[gritty olive]

Insta mute i kid you not

[proud vector]

The idea is that you can potentially trigger the combo skill by having the infliction but consume it before seq2. We don’t know what happens when this happens

[gritty olive]

You cant expect people to theory in goodwill

[proud vector]

If it still lifts and vulns then we good

[gritty olive]

Since for example sw 999 isnt released but on 4.1 people want to know what kit she has?

[warped sorrel]

im beting on this

[proud vector]

If not then back to the drawing board

[gritty olive]

Yeah that is very sus

[pure spoke]

She is the avatar

[glass birch]

possibly yeah

[honest hill]

what about physical hybrid

[gritty olive]

Thats why we have this in hsr help

[glass birch]

an elec defender sounds plausible

[pure spoke]

Oh wait i didnt look close enough lmao.

[daring dove]

For me I'm genuinely surprised they even allow data-mined information at all. Not that it's a bad suprise that's more relaxed that I though not that I'll ever discuss datamined info here not worth the potential aggro.

[warped sorrel]

rossi is physical

[honest hill]

I mean what if mifu is phys electric

[pure spoke]

She better be

[honest hill]

like her ult can be electric

[edgy crater]

nature

[honest hill]

everything else phys

[drifting quest]

only has fire and electric vfx
must be phys

would be pretty funny

[honest hill]

well I was thinking zhaung fangyi be nature + electric

[warped sorrel]

depend on what official seeing her as

[daring dove]

Rossi is heat team buff, just because I don't care about PHY team trust.

[warped sorrel]

like rossi being hybrid but is mark as physical

[midnight stirrup]

Yeah its a bit odd but ig theyre trying to prevent themselves a headache

[terse valley]

i remember mifu introduction she has flames coming out of her gauntlet

[honest hill]

so she could be heat as well

omg

[drifting quest]

given they seem to be pushing hybrid stuff id expect mifu to be heat electric hybrid

[pure spoke]

She smacked the ground and it looked like orange red lightning

[honest hill]

that would be funny

[midnight stirrup]

Seems about right

[drifting quest]

either a caster or a defender probably

[midnight stirrup]

She had flames and electric

[honest hill]

she seems like a defender idk

[vapid flame]

caster would be weird

[drifting quest]

i hope she isnt because defenders as a concept are really underwhelming

[pure spoke]

Tangtang looks like melee but here we have a caster gunner

[honest hill]

ye defenders suck

[drifting quest]

and what heat wants is a better caster

[midnight stirrup]

Honestly that wasnt surprising

Thought her being cryo was more odd

[honest hill]

okay so mifu will cast guantlets

[drifting quest]

forced electrification + heat infliction caster would be pretty good

[midnight stirrup]

I was right about Rossi being physical tho

Take that doubters

[pure spoke]

Ye because we saw her use a gun. But her design doesn look like a gunner lol

[drifting quest]

but id expect she's going to be made more for fangyi than existing avywenna/perlica/laevatein stuff

[midnight stirrup]

What did u think she was gonna use

[daring dove]

I think Mifu is going to be Nature buff / An thunder god girl will be cryo support

[pure spoke]

Her fist

[vapid flame]

she's like a buccaneer archetype

[midnight stirrup]

Huh

Tangtang?

[pure spoke]

Ye that was my first impression

In the beta

[midnight stirrup]

No wonder u were surprised

What a reach

No im kidding anything was fair

[pure spoke]

[warped sorrel]

dont guess same as other

or no body going to guess correct

[lilac bloom]

bad bunny...

[midnight stirrup]

I hope Tangtang sucks ass

[lilac bloom]

damn

[daring dove]

It's kind of funny now that we've reached a point where nobody has any beta foresight anymore.

[lilac bloom]

why?

[midnight stirrup]

Cause I only wanna pull Rossi

[pure spoke]

How dare you

[daring dove]

[lilac bloom]

oh thats fair i guess?

idj

[pure spoke]

Supreme chief cant suck ass

[midnight stirrup]

I cant pull both bro

Im trying to quit the spending

[drifting quest]

i mean tangtangs in a really weird spot

[lilac bloom]

i hope rossi isnt undertuned bc i think shes gonna be a really important character for the health of the game

[summer flicker]

tangtang gonna be good

clueless

[midnight stirrup]

?

[pure spoke]

I have bad news for you then

[drifting quest]

pretty inefficient stacker plus sp return means you're kinda forcing rotations around her

it works but it's not as clean

[lilac bloom]

not a pfp you expect to see in a gacha main server lol

[drifting quest]

plus caveats with like gilb

[pure spoke]

Watch me play chen with tangtang

[lilac bloom]

i love the new album i need to listen to more of his previous work

[warped sorrel]

rossi and tangtang is a bait banner

[proud vector]

Shatter Tangtang??

[midnight stirrup]

I touch grass

[proud vector]

[summer flicker]

me jumps through hoops to get tangtang to work with yvonne gilb

[midnight stirrup]

[drifting quest]

if you're a meta minmaxxer then yeah both are somewhat bait

[pure spoke]

Shattering my creditcard yes

[lilac bloom]

good on u

[summer flicker]

(give up crowd control xdd)

[midnight stirrup]

Benito is dad

[daring dove]

Just leave the game, trying to quit spending in a gacha game (when the whole games design is to encourage spending) is always an uphill battle. Not that I want you to stop playing just being honest.

[summer flicker]

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/956086672418832394/1479851358424399995/image0.gif

[pure spoke]

Or play og arknights where you actually wanna spend

[proud vector]

consider subscription MMO’s

[midnight stirrup]

I know this but im trying to avoid that reality check

[lilac bloom]

it can be rewarding in its own right i feel

[midnight stirrup]

[lilac bloom]

but most of the time ive succumbed

icl

[midnight stirrup]

Saving feels great

But it doesnt feel great quick enough

[lilac bloom]

im saving for fengyi after tangtang

[pure spoke]

Go to a casino

[lilac bloom]

god i fucking hope that she gets a good story quest

[midnight stirrup]

No

[summer flicker]

real saving feel good

till all of them are gone on tangtang and rossi banner

[pure spoke]

I gonna kms if 1.1 story gonna be ass

[midnight stirrup]

How is maining shatter going for you

[lilac bloom]

if i get a second genshin-tier date around the city quest im gonna lose faith in hypergryph

[warped sorrel]

how long does other game take to save for P5P5 equivalent (like C6R6)

[pure spoke]

Ikr

[summer flicker]

im yvonne xaihi gilb now, saving resource to build tangtang

[midnight stirrup]

Hoyo is way more expensive than Akef

[summer flicker]

not maining shatter

[midnight stirrup]

Akef is rly cheap for whales

[gritty briar]

just spend!

[midnight stirrup]

Yall are gacha players alright

[gritty briar]

well hoyo is just horribly expensive for whales

[lilac bloom]

raiden, ayaka, nilou, keqing, JEAN FUCKING JEAN

[midnight stirrup]

Yvonne is semi fun

[pure spoke]

Feels like most ppl believe akef is a scam and more expensive than genshin and wuwa combined.

[midnight stirrup]

I dont wanna see the number I spent on Genshin

[lilac bloom]

zhuang fengyi lil chunk of the story has the same issue that just pisses me off 😭

[midnight stirrup]

Those people dont whale

They dont know what theyre talking about in the first place

[lilac bloom]

an irl of mind spent 1k of pet/babysitting money on raiden weapon

like

that scared me when i found out

[pure spoke]

Ye. Actually 1 whale i know said endfield is cheaper than wuwa and other wuwa friends were losing their shit

[midnight stirrup]

Hows that going for you

[gritty briar]

all gacha is scam anyways
idrc about comparing to the gachas that i thought were bad enough to quit

[lilac bloom]

she is not an infrugal person

but damn

[midnight stirrup]

Akef is fucked for f2p who dont save

But its cheapest for whales

[pure spoke]

Do you want 10 silksongs or 1 6 star?

[gritty briar]

if i compared to the gaming industry as a whole, all gachas sound like shit when it's like $200 for a character and games are like $60 for an entire game

[proud vector]

Bro if only there were 10 silk songs

[midnight stirrup]

Me spending 1k on Durin while spending 50 on RE9

[lilac bloom]

tbh i usually quit a gacha bc its too much work or i fucking hate the gameplay and the story

[pure spoke]

Ikr. My past self 10 y ago would laugh at me

[midnight stirrup]

I switch around

Id say Akef is my main one

[daring dove]

It's really not that expensive even if you want every character to be honest. Not in this game maybe in Hoyo games.

[midnight stirrup]

I rotate between zzz wuwa hsr and genshin

[pure spoke]

Durin? Ak og?

[midnight stirrup]

I spent 400 on P5 Laev, spend 1k on C6 Durin lol

[pure spoke]

https://tenor.com/view/gavial-the-invincible-gavial-pozëmka-pozyomka-avdotya-razorpen-gif-9229881405407991680

[gritty briar]

i can get like all 14 versions of skyrim before i can buy a guarantee for a character bro

[midnight stirrup]

https://tenor.com/view/durin-dance-durin-genshin-durin-gif-12590739283115351327

[pure spoke]

Soon new content

[midnight stirrup]

I platinumd skyrim last year

Was goodge

Took me 1200 hours to platinum

[gritty briar]

personally i have fonder memories of oblivion

[pure spoke]

Gimme max pot nearl

[gritty briar]

it had better guild quests imo

[warped sorrel]

Worst Case Scenario to P5 Character and Weapon (P5P5)

To fully guarantee P5P5, you will need a total of 1,355,000~ Oroberyl. (Estimated)
.
Estimated Saving Time
(Based only on Dailies, Monthly Pass, and BP)
F2P: ~3 Years
Monthly Pass: ~2.6 Years
Monthly Pass + BP: ~2.1 Years
.
If we include events, giveaways, and patch exploration, the time required would likely be under 1.5 years (rough estimate).

The Rules
10 Rolls = 5,000 Oroberyl
4-Star = 20 Weapon Points
5-Star = 200 Weapon Points
6-Star = 2,000 Weapon Points
Worst Case Logic
You hit a 6-star only every 80 rolls and only at the guarantee milestones (120, 240, 480, 720, 960, 1200).

Every 10 rolls, the Arsenal tickets will range from a minimum of 380 to a maximum of 2,180.
.
Total Cost Breakdown
.
To get a P5 Character: Requires 960 spins = 600,000 Oroberyl
.
To get a P5 Weapon: Requires 82 spins (via point conversion) = 162,380 Arsenal tickets or 1,355,000 Oroberyl = 33 6star

[midnight stirrup]

I mean oblivion has charm

[proud vector]

Silksong was fantastic

[midnight stirrup]

But the powerscaling sucks ass

Ur either way too weak or way too strong

[proud vector]

I’m still on the subscription MMO train tbh

[midnight stirrup]

So I didnt finish it

[pure spoke]

Last year was a nice year

[gritty briar]

true

[midnight stirrup]

If it didnt have that issue id prefer it over skyrim

[warped sorrel]

i wonder if this is worse than other game

[pure spoke]

Seems like its dying out

[gritty briar]

that's fair
oblivion handles difficulty very poorly

[proud vector]

It’s much too expensive to develop if you aren’t garenteed a playerbase sadly

[gritty briar]

i just like quest design more

[midnight stirrup]

I played mage