ok yeah thats a pretty significant difference
#theorycrafting
cinder oxide
Oops
gritty briar
oh it's only 21 of each
mortal trellis
ok yeah thats a pretty significant difference
damn pretty far off from my initial estimates then
i guessed like 300 oroberyls over
not my 0.6 pulls every 1.5 months!!
MAN FUCK
OP GO
GO..
🧘♂️
i am calm
INFLICT SEPPUKU ASH OF WAR
ok this guy's such a fraud wtf im going back to trusting my own calculations
finite oriole
I have been staring at this for too long. Anyone know why in the second clip the last hit of last rite's ult is only 259156, instead of 275982 like in the first clip? same everything. something about my rotation is wonky. the first two hits in the ult are the same number too.
https://streamable.com/2dyxol
https://streamable.com/zvjjut
odd wren
terse valley
I have been staring at this for too long. Anyone know why in the second clip the...
where did that rightmost debuff come from
it's deto unit
three arts susc debuffs, first from ardelia bs, 2nd from xaihi combo passive, third one is deto
2nd clip xaihi's combo debuff runs out 
just before the last hit of LR ult
finite oriole
three arts susc debuffs, first from ardelia bs, 2nd from xaihi combo passive, th...
no idea 🤷♂️
terse valley
yea first clip he did xaihi ult > xaihi combo
second clip is the other way around
finite oriole
ah so xaihi's ult is too long so the 5s ran out?
terse valley
combo debuff expired just before lr ult finished
proud vector
terse valley
dude i loove thight rotation comps
finite oriole
i forgot about this passive
terse valley
(i dont it sucks)
finite oriole
thanks for the help!
proud vector
Realistically, just need to Xaihi combo and LR combo close together
terse valley
hard to do if u had to do some dodges
proud vector
You shouldn’t be losing too much time to those
terse valley
xaihi combo timer will run out
thats the problem
yeah first clip he dodges only once behind rhodan so his follow up sweep missed last rite
second clip u had to dodge twice
not counting the slam dodge at the start
2nd clip u dodged backwards thats why u had to dodge the follow up sweep
oh also you wanna to the second final strike after the dodge like first clip
outer ermine
no ba2 cancel
terse valley
if you do correctly you can weave in a full basic string just before xaihi combo timer expires
terse valley
<:PerliWaaaaa:1145586641629609995> no ba2 cancel
i dont play LR how hard is that 
outer ermine
not that hard, just let first part hit
terse valley
both her 2nd and 3rd basic she sweeps twice right?
outer ermine
3rd ur forced to watch
terse valley
finite oriole
<:PerliWaaaaa:1145586641629609995> no ba2 cancel
dont care enough tbh. between dodging the boss and following a tight rotation I'm already fully occupied. maybe I will practice it later but not now
terse valley
ive seen some people swap to xaihi for the basic string, dunno how fast that is
and if ur from a distance rhodan will rush and do a small slam instead of doing a double sweep iirc?
actually thats still a double hit attack
outer ermine
this fast, slower than gil cancels but u eat stam fast and even worse if ur doing it twice
xai supremacy
i zhould play mobile more
outer ermine
swap during combo ye lol
terse valley
oh you swapped to xaihi as you do combos
outer ermine
and if ur from a distance rhodan will rush and do a small slam instead of doing ...
he doesnt rush unless ur really far, if he sucks then he'll jump or sweep
proud vector
Xaihi basic string is very fast (3~?s) compared to the usual 4 or 5
But generally you just don’t need to be controlling LR during her long ass combo attack and ultimate animations, it do be just afking
chilly bolt
2.95s is just until final strike? I remember it's 3s something for the full interval
outer ermine
its until u see sp gain, not start of another string
since u usually cancel it anyway w combo and whatnot
icy remnant
Is Gilberta actually better than Ardelia anyways
outer ermine
tc special: depends
icy remnant
I think Gil specifically is only better if starting with Ult yea
terse valley
Is Gilberta actually better than Ardelia anyways
if you can one cycle rhodan
icy remnant
I mean Rhodan doesn't actually mean anything
terse valley
chilly bolt
I think Gil specifically is only better if starting with Ult yea
You sacrifice combo dmg for a bigger ult dmg, not sure if that's better than ardelia but now you have extra 100sp to spend
outer ermine
better cuz u dont have to deal w combo crit bs
terse valley
also gilberta ult inflicts nature
so that 100 extra sp to clear the infliction for next rotation
or wait for the infliction expires idk
icy remnant
Can Gil even get to Ult fast enough without using her skill
terse valley
Can Gil even get to Ult fast enough without using her skill
she gets to do one combo after one rotation which comes from clearing the nature infliction
icy remnant
terse valley
basically gilberta in last rite team is to kill the boss in one full rotation
if boss no die then u die
chilly bolt
Optimize rotation is you leave 1 cryo stack so it turns into corrosion :ceobesmart:
Just delay your fs
terse valley
JUST
chilly bolt
Just use surtr
terse valley
xaihi combo timer already thight as is
terse valley
<@&956153874383781928>
outer ermine
that was new
terse valley
bro posted in #do-not-post-or-get-beaned but perlica was too slow to ban them?
warm galleon
Darn I missed it, got screenie?
chilly bolt
Roblox shit
warm galleon
Post it
drifting quest
There's like 3 new ones
terse valley
frozen tide
There's 5 mods in akefo and shuo is 3 of them
final plume
do you need to level a supports basic atk skill?
terse valley
do you need to level a supports basic atk skill?
not needed no
final plume
not needed no
okay just running out of stuff to spend my sanity on
wondering if basic atk was also considered here
#theorycrafting message
terse valley
you can invest more into support skills, at least those with buffs/debuffs that scales from skill levels
drifting quest
R9 supports is just for those with relevant scalings
Can m3 or can farm fodder essence, spare skill mats, tcred etc
final plume
R9 supports is just for those with relevant scalings
ohh okay and do you agree with their recommendation of 80/80 supports?
terse valley
you dont have to do that
but if u want to do support skill masteries then they at least need e4
so 80/90
final plume
no I'd rather M12 my current M6 main DPS before I consider support masteries but right now im saving the crowns
icy remnant
Aight my guy Kyo finally uploaded a video for all WuLing chests
Guess I’m going farming today
compact bridge
ohh okay and do you agree with their recommendation of 80/80 supports?
Xiahi 90/90 otherwise yeah
Wulf is 20/20 tho
icy remnant
So much resources to 90 is it even worth it
80/90 isn’t that much different even counting the amp buff
I guess if ur tryna speed run it will matter but if ur a normal person and not a content creator you really won’t notice a difference between an 80 or 90 Xaihi imo
final plume
So much resources to 90 is it even worth it
I did it only for my main DPS
chilly bolt
So much resources to 90 is it even worth it
It's so worth
icy remnant
outer ermine
chilly bolt
The reason im still keeping the deto unit box, I'll lose funny int number if i get it to p1
terse valley
gang iont think level contributes to operator attribute?
terse valley
...oh
compact bridge
I guess if ur tryna speed run it will matter but if ur a normal person and not a...
Im a normal person that know xaihi wont be replaced until eos
icy remnant
Im a normal person that know xaihi wont be replaced until eos
Can very easily be edged out by cases like
“Better buffer but no heal” or smth similar
Healing is only really relevant in poison stage anyways
icy remnant
final plume
you can invest more into support skills, at least those with buffs/debuffs that ...
well fudge did all this without spending sanity
now I'm still out of things to use my sanity on
compact bridge
Can very easily be edged out by cases like
“Better buffer but no heal” or smth s...
Xaihi is very similiar to bennett, and no one give better buffer than that boy
icy remnant
well fudge did all this without spending sanity
now I'm still out of things to u...
Build a 3rd team
final plume
Build a 3rd team
dont have their weapon for that
vapid flame
already maxed essences?
icy remnant
It looks like a worse version of the already existing Aspirant
drifting quest
Most likely more agility, atk% and potentially some comparable damage%
Crit is somewhat wasted but over longer runs could contribute
Yeah aspirant is M, BP is L
So more agi
icy remnant
The attack% should be really small since it’s the one w the passive
Should be about the same as Laevs BP
drifting quest
Repute is like 30% at r9
Which is pretty good
Torch is what
20% or so
Still good
As long as the damage% stacks well it's very probable to just run rossi bp wep
icy remnant
So L Agility, 20% attack
Some crit
The damage % is honestly also probably similar to Laevs BP
Can run numbers based on torch
And see how it compares
drifting quest
40% or so is where I'm not confident to give it either way
icy remnant
The higher base attack is the draw
icy remnant
I just leveled Sundered to 90 so I would prefer if Sundered is better but I’d swap if BP is better
Wondering if they’d really release a BP weapon that outperforms Rapid Ascent
That would be something
mortal trellis
It looks like a worse version of the already existing Aspirant
i dug through every weapon's skill numbers and this is what i came up with
#help message
elfin smelt
So L Agility, 20% attack
Some crit
The damage % is honestly also probably simila...
if somehow the BP weapon turns out to be better than Sundering is it worth to run Chen as controlled op
for yknow more crit hits
icy remnant
for yknow more crit hits
This doesn’t matter overall only average damage
Crit is just a function of extra damage
proud vector
Crits come from the heart
Only if you believe in yourself shall you be blessed with the beeg numbah
elfin smelt
Only if you believe in yourself shall you be blessed with the beeg numbah
you say that like LR enjoyers are having trust issues xd
proud vector
hard to trust in a heart that is frozen
All joking aside yeah you can treat crit more like a multiplicative bracket rather than some sort of on hit thing
Unless set bonuses come into play that require you to constantly crit
icy remnant
One day when we get ridic stacked buffs of every kind we will start wanting crit
proud vector
crit works for hybrids
drifting quest
Treating crit as a flat multiplier is just
Bad practice
Since damage is not an even line
proud vector
Hmm
drifting quest
Its like a pulse function
If you crit on the low parts its less value than critting on the pulses
But a flat multiplier will bias all parts equally
proud vector
What does the maths look like as you scale samples towards infinity? If we are looking at the lens of DPM only.
mortal trellis
its all rng malding at the end of the day
if you have the time and patience then just assume you crit on all of the important hits when doing math
proud vector
I can see extra crits during windows of big buffs being disproportionately huge yeah
drifting quest
What does the maths look like as you scale samples towards infinity? If we are l...
Depends on the about of cr and damage profile
At infinity it is somewhat approximate to a flat multiplier
proud vector
hmm
drifting quest
But its bad practice because we dont fight on an infinite timeline
proud vector
Ok I agree with you, since pure DPM is a limited usefulness statistic
Crits definitely matter for kill timelines since you can retry for better odds
drifting quest
The 'real' way is monte carlo sims on specific timelines
But haha fuck doing that
drifting quest
EV is still a result of monte carlo if done properly
proud vector
Aye, but you can approximate pretty closely with much simpler maths
drifting quest
Math isnt even that complex its just computation time and coding it
proud vector
doable in head maths I suppose lol
The average joe won’t be going anywhere close to that far
drifting quest
Im scared if you're doing EV math in head
mortal trellis
every run is a 50/50, it either works or it doesn't
frozen tide
Sigma x_x
drifting quest
Sampling variance too
mortal trellis
just keep gambling
frozen tide
X_X
proud vector
Tis why I say EV approximations
drifting quest
Approximations too is like std dev stuff
proud vector
Explode all the nasty stuff like variance with the almighty “ignore wind resistance”
drifting quest
I suppose that std dev ranges is getting closer back to monte carlo stuff
Since its a normal dist plot
Which comes from random sampling
proud vector
yeaaaah
It’s good to know as it works very differently from like say amp when doing fight specific stuff
drifting quest
Im pretty sure other people just do it as a flat mult anyway
frozen tide
Crit values start meaning more the higher cr
drifting quest
Smh
proud vector
But that’s pretty much allllll the way in the deep end of TC
proud vector
^
drifting quest
Per point gained at lower cr can balloon expected damage ranges
proud vector
Number of attempts buffs your CR as you can discard lower variance runs
frozen tide
I meant accounting crit value as an average
proud vector
Especially with the short kill times we have now
frozen tide
Its weird with low cr
proud vector
Crit as an average only works for DPM for a fight that stretches infinitely I guess
It becomes a lot more nuisance the shorter the fight
frozen tide
Crit as dpm is good enough for higher cr imo
proud vector
but that’s harrrrrd to get to in this game ngl
frozen tide
But arknights you never have that unless yvonne
drifting quest
The higher your cr the easier it is to approximate with less effort
proud vector
truly hyper bored people/speedrun TC
Never was a fan of resetting for rng for damage alone, optimising all the factors that are in your control is usually good nuff and more satisfying
summer flicker
neon cave
has anyone seen a 0 credit item on the credit store? (i think the T1 op exp and T2 weap exp might end up at 0 credits at a 99% discount)
terse valley
has anyone seen a 0 credit item on the credit store? (i think the T1 op exp and ...
i got this once
proud vector
It’s free arms, inspector!
peak void
dont buy it just to ragebait
neon cave
i got this once
thanks! i guess it always rounds down on the credit store then lol
gritty olive
thanks! i guess it always rounds down on the credit store then lol
the more appropriate term should be "truncate" 
instead of listing it as 87.76, they remove the decimal par, thus 87
so in this case 0.3, .3 got removed = 0
neon cave
the more appropriate term should be "truncate" <:Clueless:1118532015667544064>
i guess so, but it's a bit hard to confirm whether our credits act as integers or a fraction unless somebody had 0 credits on their page and could/couldnt buy the 0credit arms inspector
floral cradle
the more appropriate term should be "truncate" <:Clueless:1118532015667544064>
"truncating to removal decimal parts" that's just rounding
frozen tide
It is not
Rounding down is effectively truncating sure but rounding isn't always down
floral cradle
well, true. but it does seem they are rounding down
frozen tide
Im not certain but dmg values use truncating i believe and i wouldn't be surprised if shop also did
terse valley
so in this case 0.3, .3 got removed = 0
isnt it 0.9
1% of 90
0.9 truncated to 0
bro saw the wrong number im crine
gritty olive
"truncating to removal decimal parts" that's just rounding
i can also truncate 87.76 to its ones digits so that it becomes 80 
its effectively rounding down to the nearest tens but its "different" per se
unlike in damage calculation, even tho you see something like 5000 attack, the game will use the nontruncated number to calculate damage if it has a decimal part like 5000.5 attack
bold rose
I wonder if Wedge is good cope for Soup if I don’t get sig
But maybe just get the BP one?
rich linden
Need wife
dry kindle
bp weps on their way to be perfectly meh
anyway i think i got cancer from the second inorganic stage
wait they removed the 1k etchspace task from weekly
nooooooooooooooo
honest hill
wait they removed the 1k etchspace task from weekly
drifting quest
bp weps on their way to be perfectly meh
Rossi's might be kinda banger
smoky quarry
anyway i think i got cancer from the second inorganic stage
Two stupid rams that run around without cooldowns?
drifting quest
Like chen upscale kinda banger not for rossi
dry kindle
Two stupid rams that run around without cooldowns?
ya
dry kindle
Rossi's might be kinda banger
crit isnt real go away
smoky quarry
they're gonna add good bp weapons in 1.2, trust me
buoyant yoke
drifting quest
crit isnt real go away
Straight up ignore crit on it and its still kinda good for chen, better than ss maybe
summer flower
i can also truncate 87.76 to its ones digits so that it becomes 80 <:thinkChamp:...
Truncation is on every step in math
soft trout
how to build good pc
warped sorrel
how to build good pc
money
soft trout
tru
smoky quarry
how to build good pc
soft trout
that scared me
dusk isle
Does anyone know whats the record on rhod kill for laev rn ?
drifting quest
13s(?)
drifting quest
Theres a 16s linked here
【【终末地】15.59秒！弱势火队，没有数值全是手法！】 https://www.vxbilibili.com/video/BV1JgfDBREzG
dusk isle
Thank you so much
outer ermine
there should be a sub 15 w mi+slab
prob better not to share so mfs dont start copying it
edgy crater
the crit build?
outer ermine
yea
outer ermine
just crit
edgy crater
true 
smoky quarry
【【终末地】15.59秒！弱势火队，没有数值全是手法！】 https://www.vxbilibili.com/video/BV1JgfDBREzG
-p5p5
-3 supports
Understandable
drifting quest
there should be a sub 15 w mi+slab
Mi is too slow to stack
You just critfish with like ginseng
smoky quarry
What's the log in time for 1.2 update? On EU
gritty olive
What's the log in time for 1.2 update? On EU
Should be the same as when server opened
Projected 11:00 gmt+8
So should be around 3-4:00
smoky quarry
Projected 11:00 gmt+8
That's china time 
dawn patrol
update is like 9am my time it's so doomed
smoky quarry
Sadly idk what europe time is so included gmt
Should be 6 hours in the morning in gmt+3
eastern europe
I am not waking up in 6 am lol
I need to make it so my outpost money bank caps out at 12/03 12:00
edgy crater
well u can
outer ermine
You just critfish with like ginseng
just better critfish, its at like 46? w ginseng iirc
noone is even willing to grind 16 anymore
im just waiting for that ult qol
or tt
edgy crater
well ulti qol basically doubled ur food effectiveness, from 3-4 try to 6-8 try 
drifting quest
Tt has no major ult qol because of talent 2
outer ermine
buff tt why do we need plunge, but prob just need for timestop anyway
edgy crater
pray her sig will do dat
smoky quarry
Have you noticed any pattern in online spikes?
I guess it happens first time on server refresh, and second time when people return from job
bronze plume
What's the log in time for 1.2 update? On EU
1.2?
potent hornet
yea just skip rossi we don't need her
drifting quest
summer flower
Isn't update usually delayed?
Like they releasing stuff later than reset?
At least for EU/NA
So it's like morning USA after work Europe?
bronze plume
updates for the games normally happen at the same time regardless of region but stuff like events and banner rotations happen for asia first
cerulean wigeon
Has anyone seen the new Chen wep from bp? and is it likely better then sundering steel ?
honest hill
Has anyone seen the new Chen wep from bp? and is it likely better then sundering...
Sundering steel P5 is between P2/P3 Rapid Ascent so i doubt 
bronze plume
is the crit boost on it not just dead for chen
or does she have a weird af crit build for it
cerulean wigeon
Sundering steel P5 is between P2/P3 Rapid Ascent so i doubt <:Hmmge:965039479284...
Dang, I hope the #s are good cuz box cutter sword looks so chopped
cerulean wigeon
or does she have a weird af crit build for it
nah no crit build
potent hornet
or does she have a weird af crit build for it
pray for crit dmg gear
honest hill
Dang, I hope the #s are good cuz box cutter sword looks so chopped
which is why I want rapid ascent
bronze plume
pray for crit dmg gear
i hope we dont get one
i dont want the 500000th gacha that is just crit fishing for everyone
cerulean wigeon
which is why I want rapid ascent
Lol yea I want it so bad it looks clean
edgy crater
nah no crit build
theres red mi gear so its possible for agi crit build 
potent hornet
that sword reveal makes me think its more of a possibility
bronze plume
i mean we defo will get one down the line for crit scaling characters
cerulean wigeon
theres red mi gear so its possible for agi crit build <:KekW:906513624359641098>
🤮
outer ermine
oh shit
honest hill
Lol yea I want it so bad it looks clean
the BP wep does look clean I forgot the stats tho
bronze plume
<:PerliWaaaaa:1145586641629609995> oh shit
ive gotten that for the past week it aint that bad
potent hornet
someone slackin
cerulean wigeon
i dont want the 500000th gacha that is just crit fishing for everyone
ong, I don’t think it will happen tho since base max crit is 50 not 100
bronze plume
the BP wep does look clean I forgot the stats tho
cerulean wigeon
the BP wep does look clean I forgot the stats tho
edgy crater
<:ChenLeak:1438449427789385769>
incoming endmin ulti crit build
honest hill
<:PerliWaaaaa:1145586641629609995> oh shit
why did u go on vacation
gaunt mason
incoming endmin ulti crit build <:KekW:906513624359641098>
id rather die
honest hill
how does chen apply vuln
edgy crater
how does chen apply vuln
bs
bronze plume
idk i dont play phys
honest hill
I see
cerulean wigeon
how does chen apply vuln
Battle skill and combo skill
honest hill
so bs -> ult
cerulean wigeon
Both apply vuln
gaunt mason
depends on how big the buff is and how many times you can stack it
idk if they've already datamined the bp weaps
edgy crater
id rather die
bs bs cs then ulti endmin
cerulean wigeon
So she can bs - cs - ult for 2 stacks
gaunt mason
maybe i can try endmin with red mi gear later
we need to take care of you
edgy crater
edgy crater
wait this glorious memory weapon on chen
its easy to p2 too
sterile herald
can i get one from the current bp crate if i didnt open it?
gaunt mason
it might be capped to 2 stacks cause it's for rossi
sterile herald
booo
gaunt mason
but if its 2 stack, its really just che bs cs ulti lol
atp even aspirant might outscale it if the % on the bp weap isn't stupid high
sterile herald
consider most people dont have multiple aspirants tho
if its better than sundering im so down because sundering is ugly as hell and does not match chen at all
gaunt mason
well sundering is better than aspirant
sterile herald
even if its like on par
p5 sundering over p0 aspirant no?
or am i thinking of the wrong sword
too many names
gaunt mason
compare the same pot and sundering > aspirant
you might be thinking of rapid ascent?
gaunt mason
p5 sundering is roughly equal to p2 ascent
sundering always wins if you on field chen
gaunt mason
should be yeah
sterile herald
well i hope this one is comparable and maybe we get a crit chen build out of it
gaunt mason
unless you're a filthy crit fisher
gaunt mason
gaunt mason
sterile herald
still waitijg for another copy of sundering in the shop
im stuck on p4
and when are we getting thermite in the shop too
im poised and ready
sterile herald
“yeah bro my speedrun is faster i just have to do a perfect rotation and hit the 1/3 crit chance 5 times in a row bro”
gaunt mason
yes, go crit fishing
lr mains gotta go
sterile herald
bum character
edgy crater
roughly 2 days
drifting quest
30h till maint starts
sterile herald
splendid
drifting quest
36h till maint ends
gaunt mason
150% ult damage per stack trust
sterile herald
surely
edgy crater
lr mains gotta go
well, just crit 
sterile herald
still debating if i even care about pulling rossi at all
gaunt mason
well, just crit <:trolllaugh:1332851218573426708>
👎
sterile herald
like looking at her reccomended teams im kinda 🛌
bronze plume
kinda just have to wait until we have her numbers to decide fully'
but looking at it rn is
sad
icy remnant
Do we have estimates on how it’ll compare
smoky quarry
who
honest echo
like looking at her reccomended teams im kinda 🛌
which ones are those? 😮
dawn patrol
kinda just have to wait until we have her numbers to decide fully'
why are you awake bruh
bronze plume
why are you
warped sorrel
is ember in physical team lower the team dps or it doesnt matter
smoky quarry
is ember in physical team lower the team dps or it doesnt matter
"You will spend 100-200 more SP each cycle to do the same thing"
It does lowers your team dps
warped sorrel
thats suck
drifting quest
Costs more to do less
Clears if thats all you want
But you drop arguably the best unit in the team for ember
gaunt mason
Do we have estimates on how it’ll compare
obviously not a perfect approximation because we don't know the stats and i'm using expected value for crit 
but at p5 with 156 agi + 19.5 cr + 19.6 passive atk% it'd need around 50-60%+ ult% for it to be better than p5 sundering
edgy crater
offense is best defense
drifting quest
obviously not a perfect approximation because we don't know the stats and i'm us...
Actual EV or a flat mult
warped sorrel
is antal actually good or scam
warped sorrel
its like ake always out perform him
drifting quest
No
icy remnant
obviously not a perfect approximation because we don't know the stats and i'm us...
Per stack?
Or total
Cus it should stack 
gaunt mason
Actual EV or a flat mult
should be ev
icy remnant
Like aspirant
drifting quest
Flat mult then
icy remnant
Then it shouldn’t be that hard
icy remnant
Pretty sure you get like 90% Ult damage from aspirant let me check
gaunt mason
ok wait i'll do the distr
icy remnant
Aspirant is 33.6% for 3 stacks
gaunt mason
but atp i might as well monte carlo it
summer flicker
gaunt mason
better base stats and aspirant doesnt give atk
drifting quest
but atp i might as well monte carlo it
Yeah actual ev is just mc it atp
smoky quarry
Operators' signatures would go so hard if we could afford them
chilly bolt
That would defeat the point of non sig dps weapons
gaunt mason
Yeah actual ev is just mc it atp
i will explode if i have to look at another monte carlo sheet ever again
it's ok let's just assume infinite timelines
now that i look at it again bp needs like 40-50 ish ult% with a flat crit multi
sterile herald
i’m saying
gaunt mason
if bp has like 50% ult damage total i'm switching
gaunt mason
glass birch
I'm hoping for 50% on the line 3 considering it's a 6 star
drifting quest
<:EmberCopium:1469875649278906429> i will explode if i have to look at another m...
Fake tc fan
Real tcers are autistic enough to like mc
gaunt mason
drifting quest
Tribalism time
gaunt mason
i'll get one of my friends to do it on his beefy pc maybe 😔
my laptop might actually explode
this thing starts to lag at like 5000 excel rows
smoky quarry
waiter, waiter, more fanservice in 1.1, please
sterile herald
this thing starts to lag at like 5000 excel rows
what specs are you running it on
drifting quest
python and a csv should be a lot more lightweight
lets you sample way more too
(yes i know excel is a csv too but using excel itself is the bottleneck)
sterile herald
“chatgpt write me a python formula for all akef theory crafting ever with no mistakes”
drifting quest
its very funny when the math i used to do for uni overlaps with fucking endfield tc
omw to start making fits for endfield damage calcs
brisk pecan
"we never use math we learn in school in real life"
> gacha gamers:
sterile herald
my uni program is not relevant to endfield 😓
gaunt mason
sterile herald
i just have to wait for someone else to make sheets
drifting quest
mine isnt especially relevant unless i become a lore gamer
but mine was basically a math degree in disguise
glass birch
omw to start making fits for endfield damage calcs
making fits? You gonna wear a maid outfit while doing damage calcs?
gaunt mason
i just have to wait for someone else to make sheets
the sheeting itself isn't really the problem
just ignore crit frfr
drifting quest
making fits? You gonna wear a maid outfit while doing damage calcs?
aware
drifting quest
said datamine is more validated now we have BP weapons
fwiw
not confirmed but more likely to be true
glass birch
chilly bolt
wait we have bp weapons too?
dusk isle
<@257827125543960577>
Why am i being pinged 
glass birch
posted in the feed yest iirc
chilly bolt
the what
drifting quest
the (twitter) feed yest(erday)
GM looks potentially good (for chen)
HL looks kinda bad based on current timelining
chilly bolt
cryo and nature wtf
brisk pecan
flourite/yvonne
brisk pecan
flourite combo cd is ass so you're probably don't want it anyway
buff once every 40s 😔
glass birch
buff once every 40s 😔
or ~30 depending on team 
and frontier set
Frontier set brings it to 34s base
P5 reduces c/d every time Nature or Cryo affliction is applied w/ a cap of 1s every second
so maybe tryhard maxing HL on Fluorite can get her comboskill down to once every like 28s
brisk pecan
it that even worth
don't you just build ult gain
her ult has basically the same effect
on a 10s cd
i really feel like some intern at hg fucked up here
chilly bolt
can you even have her ult up on every other rotation?
drifting quest
they nerfed her damage but gave her more utility
brisk pecan
so the 40s cd also existed back then??
outer ermine
80 to 100 cost
boreal coral
Has hg released any info on the gear upgrades? Like if theyre gonna be increasing lvl to 90 or just releasing more side options of the gold gear
dusk isle
Has hg released any info on the gear upgrades? Like if theyre gonna be increasin...
It is more gold gear
brisk pecan
wording on the vid implies sidegrade
smoky quarry
Has hg released any info on the gear upgrades? Like if theyre gonna be increasin...
lvl 90 gear is gonna be presented in third region
it just makes sense game-design wise
smoky quarry
I wonder what they were cooking with new component
Like, why
These items are not even from new sets
boreal coral
Oh yeah, thats pretty clear 
brisk pecan
While these new gear pieces offer stat bonuses comparable to top-quality gear currently available these brand-new gears will provide more options for equipping operators for combat.
from the devlog vid
drifting quest
the only place that said it was an upgrade was the english video
every other language (that im aware of) never said upgrade
boreal coral
It would be funny if lae gets a hot works chest piece and that prydwen build becomes meta
outer ermine
en moment
smoky quarry
the only place that said it was an upgrade was the english video
The job of youtubers isn't to research, it's to spread misinformation
drifting quest
truly
smoky quarry
It's because the concept of watching devlogs is meaningless for him
honest hill
Ah but 2nd line is cryo dmg, wedge is probably still better i guess
even if it said nature dmg u need to proc with her combo skill that has 40s cd
dusk isle
even if it said nature dmg u need to proc with her combo skill that has 40s cd
I realized that after thinking properly for 5 seconds
honest hill
might be good for dps tangtang
honest hill
ye
dusk isle
Ya id rather get the sword
drifting quest
p5 vs p5 it's going to be close
honest hill
prob
drifting quest
if it's comparable to torch it could go in favour of bp
honest hill
I mean ascent only beats P5 sundering steel at P3
who knows this one might be better than both
depends on the numbers
daring dove
I mean ascent only beats P5 sundering steel at P3
It's just a bum of a 6* weapon to be honest. Is Chen able to consume Vulnerability stacks?
honest hill
It's just a bum of a 6* weapon to be honest. Is Chen able to consume Vulnerabili...
no she doesn't consume vuln stacks
she only generates it
daring dove
Shame she could of used Eminent Repute.
honest hill
she generate stacks for endmin da pan or pog
daring dove
Yeah was just interested if she had a decent 6* weapon rn.
sterile herald
i would pull rossi sig for chen if it was good
guess we wait and see
hard to beat sundering tho especially at p0
drifting quest
p5 v p5 bp is looking somewhat promising
sterile herald
p5 bp as f2p 😓
drifting quest
lmao
glass birch
rossi's sig is likely gonna be something like boosts heat dmg% when you crit
daring dove
rossi's sig is likely gonna be something like boosts heat dmg% when you crit
Never know it could be a team ATK buff or DMG buff. Although Rossi does look like she's supposed to be a main DPS more.
glass birch
Never know it could be a team ATK buff or DMG buff. Although Rossi does look lik...
Rossi's designed to be a selfish DPS
like LR, Yvonne, Lae, etc
So it'd be a personal buff
And judging by how her kit is designed, it's completely about build up to her Ult
daring dove
like LR, Yvonne, Lae, etc
Well not exactly she doesn't consume the stacks she creates like all the others mentioned.
glass birch
so it's highly likely her Sig will be "On crit, gain a stack of x% Heat DMG%. Stacks up to Y"
daring dove
So she still has an element of support
glass birch
Well not exactly she doesn't consume the stacks she creates like all the others ...
She consumes affliction to increase the damage of her combo skill like Last Rite
She's not a support lol
her whole kit just builds off itself
daring dove
She consumes affliction to increase the damage of her combo skill like Last Rite
She doesn't consume vulnerability stacks, which is the main thing she's generating... So she isn't like the above characters mentioned.
glass birch
She doesn't consume vulnerability stacks, which is the main thing she's generati...
No she doesnt consume vuln. Otherwise she'd be a Striker.
Thats the only reason she's a guard
And that's also the only thing that makes her a guard
daring dove
Thats the only reason she's a guard
Which means she inherently also provides a team resource hence a support element.
glass birch
Which means she inherently also provides a team resource hence a support element...
Which she also needs for her kit btw.
daring dove
I agree she's likely to be a main DPS still but we shouldn't ignore the obvious.
Most guards have a level of support
glass birch
Her BS requires 1 instance of Vuln to get the full effect and her combo skill cant be used without atleast 1 vuln stack
And if we compare her to other guards, she's a shitty chen 2 operators for the price of 1 5 star.
drifting quest
Never know it could be a team ATK buff or DMG buff. Although Rossi does look lik...
we would have seen it in the video
both rossi and tt sigs should be personal buffs only
if you trust the datamine then ||fracture implies this even more||
glass birch
we would have seen it in the video
To be fair they could use a transmog system to make the base blue sword look like her BP for presentations or just use a blank slate version with no effects just the looks to demo the model
warped sorrel
Rossi cant function on her own is kinda weird
edgy crater
she can, but slower
daring dove
Rossi cant function on her own is kinda weird
I mean Yvonne doesn't do very well alone either to be fair.
drifting quest
most greedy dps dont function well alone
edgy crater
yvonne like worst as soloist
warped sorrel
I mean like
Her kit doesnt look like we are playing her idk why
Gotta pull to know
drifting quest
really just depends on rossi mults
daring dove
most greedy dps dont function well alone
Laevatain does pretty well by herself if you manage her resources well an build her ult gain. That said I don't really think Ult gain Laevatain was intended by the developers. It's most of a community build. But yeah most aren't too useful by themselves. Best seem to be Laevatain & Perlica?
drifting quest
and ult cost
drifting quest
Laevatain does pretty well by herself if you manage her resources well an build ...
if you allow facilitating ult gain from other sources then others are just as fine
warped sorrel
It would be cool if she turn out to have a very fast rotation
drifting quest
i was only considering it in the scope of pure 1 unit solo
in which laev also struggles
edgy crater
It would be cool if she turn out to have a very fast rotation
more like sp hungry
drifting quest
perlica is not a greedy dps so i would not have considered her
drifting quest
rossi?
warped sorrel
rossi chen wolfgard endmin?
drifting quest
there's a ton of rossi hypotheticals
i have the least personal confidence in hybrid setups
from a tc perspective
warped sorrel
understandable
i love to see hybrid team
Hope it works
Hybrid team always suck idk why
In other game
gaunt mason
you can't buff both at the same time
glass birch
Rossi, Wulf, Gil, Endmin is a decent one
drifting quest
rossi arts hyper
rossi dual/triple dps
rossi laev (this one might be worse actually)
rossi shatter
rossi phys enabler (this one also stinks)
rossi hybrid
gaunt mason
so you end up with a team that does meh damage using two damage types
glass birch
you can't buff both at the same time
Ardelia and Rossi would like to have a word
lol
gaunt mason
Ardelia and Rossi would like to have a word
buff both well 
drifting quest
honestly everything that isnt arts hyper or arts dual/triple dps is kinda
cope tier
based on current info
glass birch
buff both well <:1kb:1318137756253163530>
Once again, Rossi and Ardelia buff both phys and arts (Heat in Rossi's case with her BS)
Just slap in a crush unit like Endmin
gaunt mason
oh my god you know what i mean
glass birch
so you can wipe vuln
gaunt mason
you can't possibly buff two damage types to the same extent as you can buff one damage type
and you end up with meh damage on both instead of really good damage on one
daring dove
and you end up with meh damage on both instead of really good damage on one
Strongest team I'm thinking will be Pog / Ardelia / Gilberta / Rossi I'm prediciting because of this.
brisk pecan
build physical damage and think of the ult as just +1 infliction 😔
gaunt mason
Strongest team I'm thinking will be Pog / Ardelia / Gilberta / Rossi I'm predici...
just wait for multis
warped sorrel
Rossi is very single target right?
gaunt mason
i don't think buffing rossi's phys damage will be productive
daring dove
i don't think buffing rossi's phys damage will be productive
Who said anything about buffing Rossi's PHY damage it's to buff her heat damage. 
gaunt mason
Who said anything about buffing Rossi's PHY damage it's to buff her heat damage....
using pog?
warped sorrel
I dont think pog and rossi would be good together
daring dove
<:leak:1434536363310448651> using pog?
Thermite cutter buffs ATK / Pog Generates SP / Removes vurenbility stacks to Ardelia & Gilberta work together.
hollow swan
ive been thinking about picking up that sword before i goes away for Endmin
gaunt mason
don't get it
daring dove
might as well run endmin with repute or something atp
Endmin works as well, you just need someone to remove stacks otherwise Ardelia doesn't work. An you lose 40+% team damage.
gaunt mason
depending on how much combustion buffs her you might just run wulf + ake instead of that
it's all hypotheticals though just wait for her release
daring dove
depending on how much combustion buffs her you might just run wulf + ake instead...
Wulf is kind of a bad version of Ardelia though in terms of what he provides the team. So combustion would have to do an awful lot to make up for the 40-56% damage lose you get over not running Ardelia.
edgy crater
I dont think pog and rossi would be good together
pog as sp generator n breach probably
hollow swan
that seems like a lot of damage for Ardelia to be providing. her sus is not that big.
warped sorrel
2 whole rotation for a single breach?
terse valley
she may or may not want a vuln consumer
she may or may not have a strong enough ult that she wants three arts buffers instead
she may or may not want combustion for her skills
all of these are hard to tell unless we know her numbers and her damage distribution
gaunt mason
Wulf is kind of a bad version of Ardelia though in terms of what he provides the...
just wait for the numbers to drop idk where you're getting those numbers from but you can't calculate dps loss before her kit multis are even out
daring dove
that seems like a lot of damage for Ardelia to be providing. her sus is not that...
It absolutely is 40% is like a baseline for a single target that you'll get at pretty much P0/P0.
An that's free
terse valley
both her showcase and her BP sword tells us that her main damage is from ult, that's all the clue we got
hollow swan
im not a math wiz but that doesn't make sense to me. how does her debuff provide so much?
daring dove
im not a math wiz but that doesn't make sense to me. how does her debuff provide...
Her weapon is literally a direct % damage buff to all art damage since it's applied to the enemy.
So if it says 24% you're dealing 24% more damage to the enemy with arts attacks.
If it says 20% you're dealing 20%.
gaunt mason
it's damage taken which rossi also provides
plug it into any damage calc and you'll see that it's not a flat 24% increase in damage when diluted
hollow swan
yo 8/8? who has that
gaunt mason
whales
terse valley
p5 ardelia weapon is crazy
daring dove
plug it into any damage calc and you'll see that it's not a flat 24% increase in...
You're getting practically no dilution on anything under 100% that's worth talking about.
If we where reaching numbers like 200-300% it's worth having that conversation.
But when we're talking 20-100% you can just call it a directly damage buff.
hollow swan
yea id agree with that. the dmg taken multi is true. and it im pretty sure it's seperated from susceptibility
daring dove
It is.
That's why Ardelia is pretty much 40/56% damage buff to enemies depending on investment. I think if you're strictly PO/P0 it might be a bit less like 38%.
But lots of F2P's have her P1/P0 as well at which point she'd be 46% roughly.
drifting quest
what
glass birch
That's why Ardelia is pretty much 40/56% damage buff to enemies depending on inv...
19% and 16% so 35% if you have her weapon.
hollow swan
everyone should have her weapon right
pure spoke
Eyja meta?
daring dove
everyone should have her weapon right
Yeah it's free
terse valley
God I hate that gif so much
daring dove
19% and 16% so 35% **if** you have her weapon.
Would be 20% & 16% so 36% but fair enough.
pure spoke
Lol why
glass birch
Would be 20% & 16% so 36% but fair enough.
I was going off 9/9 not M3 But yeah valid. I meant 16 and 16 for P0/P0 was just about to correct myself
Then P1 adds 8% so if it's 20 and 16 at P0/P0 M3 then it becomes what? 44%?
daring dove
Then P1 adds 8% so if it's 20 and 16 at P0/P0 M3 then it becomes what? 44%?
Yeah 44% if you lose a single 50/50 to Ardelia at any point which is likely.
daring dove
For Ardelia?
gaunt mason
i don't follow your logic at all
drifting quest
yes
glass birch
was just looking at ardelia by herself rn
hollow swan
oh yeah her P1 is really good i forgot i actually have her at P2
daring dove
oh yeah her P1 is really good i forgot i actually have her at P2
Yeah she's pretty cracked at P2, for me I'd say she's the best character in the game still provided you can maintain uptime on her debuffs (which can be tricky for some teams).
drifting quest
Because she doesn't provide addative buffs she's not Gilberta. <:E_PoliwhirlConc...
??????????????
hollow swan
they're right technically it would be dmg taken x susceptibility
twilit quail
It isnt even "technically'
the entire game
is about multiplicative brackets
if you lose sight of this you are just completely deranged
the fact that this discussion is being entertained at all
is incredibly unwell
drifting quest
yeah
hollow swan
the difference between adding and multiplying in thsi case is liek 1%
drifting quest
i didnt know if i was missing something but if we are just adding multiplicative buffs
this chat is kinda doomed
drifting quest
the difference between adding and multiplying in thsi case is liek 1%
??????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????
twilit quail
it's a shame that things never work that way in any actual scenario
it's a shame
THERE ARE TEN OTHER BRACKETS
TO MULTIPLY BY
unbelievable
daring dove
This is getting silly here it's like we're arguing over the meaning of words an not thje actual value she buffs teams damage by.
hollow swan
alright chief how about you spell it out then?
twilit quail
you are the one
failing to grasp the actual value
of what the unit applies
because you are being reductive
daring dove
failing to grasp the actual value
Then lay out your argument instead of just saying "no you're wrong".
glass birch
Adding them just makes things easier to compare within a single kit. yeah they're multiplicative which just means the effects are higher than presumed.
Lae BASEQ1; 766
+16% Suscept; 888
+16% Suscept and 12% dmg taken; 995
daring dove
No you're arguing definitions with me, rather than arguing how much Ardelia buffs teams damage. What a completely irrelevant conversation.
twilit quail
you have the completely wrong approach
you just dont realise it
you think this is semantics
it isnt
you are fundamentally failing to grasp the mathematics
daring dove
Ok buddy, I'm not interested if you just want to argue terms rather than values.
hollow swan
we don't even have Rossi's number yet
warped sorrel
isnt she 14?
glass birch
???
terse valley
alright let's not go there
hollow swan
lol bruh
drifting quest
ok even if we consider just ardelia alone
no other buff sources
16% + 20% additive is 36%
16% x 20% multiplicative is 39.2%
3.2% is a decent chunk
make it 28% instead and the gap is now 8%
its so dumb to be adding multiplicative values in general
especially in a theorycrafting channel
warped sorrel
im confuse
hollow swan
fair enough
drifting quest
the whole point of endfield minmax is hitting as many multiplicative zones as possible
warped sorrel
so art sus is not add but maltiply?
drifting quest
because of how bonkers the scaling gets
hollow swan
i just want to say i prefeced by entrance in to the conversation with "im not a math wiz"
glass birch
so art sus is not add but maltiply?
Multiplicative to damage taken effects yes
frozen tide
Absolute cinema add all the multipliers together
drifting quest
anything of the same time = adds
glass birch
It's a different bracket
drifting quest
anything of different type = multiply
drifting quest
e.g. 20% arts suscept, 16% heat suscept, 30% arts damage dealt
if dealing heat damage then it is (20+16)% suscept, 30% damage dealt
if dealing non heat damage it is just 20% suscept and 30% damage dealt
hollow swan
https://endfield.wiki.gg/wiki/Damage_calculation this formula is accurate right?
drifting quest
should be
i never use it because the doc tends to explain things better from a tc perspective
gaunt mason
https://endfield.wiki.gg/wiki/Damage_calculation this formula is accurate right?
should be but i think it still has incorrect breach values
glass birch
e.g. 20% arts suscept, 16% heat suscept, 30% arts damage dealt
if dealing heat ...
Same can be said between arts dmg dealt and heat dmg dealt
Or arts damage dealt and XYZ skill damage dealt iirc 
Could be wrong on the 2nd one since I havent actually gone through and tested that part
warped sorrel
is the doc in the pin?
drifting quest
Same can be said between arts dmg dealt and heat dmg dealt
Or arts damage dealt...
if its damage dealt it adds yes
daring dove
anything of different type = multiply
OK, but what does that have to do with anything I said. I gave general value ranges of how much she'll increase team damage by. The actual value is entirely dependant on too many factors. We don't need a whole PHD on how I maybe a few % off based on 27000 different factors.
drifting quest
is the doc in the pin?
daring dove
You're acting like saying Ardelia can increase a teams damage by 40-56% (assuming you keep uptime) is an invalidate statement when it clearly isn't.
I never once gave a definite value.
terse valley
That's why Ardelia is pretty much 40/56% damage buff to enemies depending on inv...
yuh
drifting quest
OK, but what does that have to do with anything I said. I gave general value ran...
#theorycrafting message
'She doesn't provide additive buffs'
idk where this idea came from it's entirely misleading because we were never discussing additive buffs
#theorycrafting message
it's not 44% because you're doing 16% + 28% when these are not additive with each other
1.16 x 1.28 = 1.4848 (48.48%)
#theorycrafting message
#theorycrafting message
Same for these
#theorycrafting message
Nothing to do with dilution
#theorycrafting message
Not true within the context
glass birch
Whats ardelia's max buff potential?
24% suscept and 28% damage taken at P1/P5 M3? so like 58%
drifting quest
if i misinterpreted something you said by all means i apologise
drifting quest
but based on my own (and likely many others here) interpretation what you are saying is not correct
it might not matter to you but it does for us who are trying to keep things factual within the theorycrafting channel
im not trying to be hostile or dismissive or in any way push you away, just trying to correct things that are wrong (and what we're suggesting biases you original point (within reason) anyway
terse valley
does starry beach arts dmg taken counts as separate multi than ardelia arts susc
drifting quest
yes
glass birch
does starry beach arts dmg taken counts as separate multi than ardelia arts susc
I did a small dmg calc showcase comparing the two, it is indeed multiplicative
daring dove
https://discord.com/channels/950244160684834837/956086682564849684/1481025030694...
What are you even talking about you're the one that literally brought up additive buffs.
drifting quest
How effective is breach at 4/4 vuln again?
24% phys damage taken baseline, increased by arts intensity
terse valley
yeah thats a bit confusing two debuffs that increases arts dmg taken but multiplied separately
drifting quest
What are you even talking about you're the one that literally brought up additiv...
additive multipliers, not additive buffs
different types of buff are not additive with each other
this is not calling the buffs additive
if i didnt make that clear thats my bad
glass birch
24% phys damage taken baseline, increased by arts intensity
now I needa figure out how much AI I can get on a 60/80 Pog Anyone got a pog to share?
drifting quest
its like 150-200 range off the top of my head
daring dove
additive multipliers, not additive buffs
You're just arguing with your self at this point against points I never even brought up. They're the points you brought up.
drifting quest
what
terse valley
quartz horizon
now I needa figure out how much AI I can get on a 60/80 Pog <:3sChiakiHmm:650333...
share a pog? whats that mean
terse valley
.itworked
crystal coralBOT
glass birch
share a pog? whats that mean
I mean like share what they've got build and how much AI they have
drifting quest
is it bait
terse valley
is it bait
i sure hope so
normal tangle
now I needa figure out how much AI I can get on a 60/80 Pog <:3sChiakiHmm:650333...
133 with no artifice
hollow swan
idc anymore tbh. i think we all understand the reality of the situation now. i do at least.
normal tangle
+24 with max morale
daring dove
It's just a pointless conversation to be honest. I gave a general idea of how much Ardelia can buff team damage by.
glass birch
Ight so if base Breach for 4/4 Vuln w/ pog at 133 AI; what's the total effectiveness of breach?
1 + 24 x (1+ 2x133 / 133 +300)?
terse valley
ardelia doesnt provide additive buffs
daring dove
Then got involved in a seriously stupid argument out of nowhere.
hollow swan
Striker was claiming a certain percentage that ardelia was providing. nothing about additve or multiplicative. i didn't believe it. thats what started this i think.
terse valley
my brother in christ this is a Theory Crafting channel
we deal with actual numbers rather than a "general idea"
frozen tide
For the sake of clarity I'd like to know your claim/argument laid out flat
If you wouldn't mind
normal tangle
we deal with actual numbers rather than a "general idea"
no we work with general ideas quite a bit actually 
see: literally anything involving tangtang and rossi
terse valley
no we work with general ideas quite a bit actually <:wires:1080212957939630240>
yeah when we dont know the numbers
gaunt mason
also happens when we do know numbers unfortunately
glass birch
so would 133 AI just make Pog's breach work w/ 40% effectiveness instead of base 24% 
Or did I get that calc wrong?
terse valley
guess what numbers we know? oh idk ardelia?
gaunt mason
so would 133 AI just make Pog's breach work w/ 40% effectiveness instead of base...
yes
terse valley
Gilberta?
frozen tide
so would 133 AI just make Pog's breach work w/ 40% effectiveness instead of base...
Seems about right
normal tangle
bro forgot the +1
frozen tide
🤔
normal tangle
but yes roughly 1.4x multi
frozen tide
The 1+ is the baseline and is rly not important for this
honest hill
how much damage dealt % on the new sword BP wep will make it stronger than P5 Sundering steel 
frozen tide
The value it adds is without the +1
daring dove
For the sake of clarity I'd like to know your claim/argument laid out flat
I was giving a general rough approximation about how much Ardelia can amp a teams damage by. Which I made very clear was a rough for state ease argument.
frozen tide
I see an issue
daring dove
Shuo then just got me involved an a additive vs multiplicative argument I had zero interest in.
glass birch
Ight so Rossi potential team;
Pog; 40% Phys dmg taken
Ardelia; 18% Arts dmg taken (Not phys)
P1 ardelia M3; 24% Susceptibility (Both phys and arts)
so just those 2 brings about 73% damage bump to her combo skill....
frozen tide
What corrosion effectivenessxuptime are you assuming
hollow swan
i want to go back to someone telling me not to get Eminent Repute for Endmin. i feel like there are teams where its better than Grand Vision but im not sure.
glass birch
but yes roughly 1.4x multi
wait it gets 1.387?
gaunt mason
how much damage dealt % on the new sword BP wep will make it stronger than P5 Su...
40-50% ish with the same agi + atk as other bp weapons + 19.5 cr but the cr specifics shouldn't matter too much
terse valley
Ight so Rossi potential team;
Pog; 40% Phys dmg taken
Ardelia; 18% Arts dmg take...
pog also has the team atk buff
and depending on rossi numbers frontier may be preferred than arts intensity focused pog
frozen tide
wait it gets 1.387?
It adds 0.387 to mult
1.387 would be final with base mult being 1
daring dove
What corrosion effectivenessxuptime are you assuming
None, that would be higher but I think it's kinda cheesey to assume Ardelia pre P5 is getting much corrosion uptime. I'm mainly just assuming debuff uptime.
wispy shuttle
man it would have to be quite significantly stronger than p5 steel to make me consider using bp boxes for it
honest hill
40-50% ish with the same agi + atk as other bp weapons + 19.5 cr but the cr spec...
40-50% damage dealt at P5 will make it better than P5 sundering?
gaunt mason
40-50% damage dealt at P5 will make it better than P5 sundering?
around that yes
total, not per stack
honest hill
total, not per stack
wait it stacks?
drifting quest
Shuo then just got me involved an a additive vs multiplicative argument I had ze...
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It is these messages that are causing issues
Even if you were giving rough values with no math behind it other than rough vibes it caused other people in the channel to misunderstand how mechanics work which is against the spirit (and the rules I guess) of the channel
it might not have been your intention sure but it was the result, especially when you reinforced it as well
gaunt mason
but that's with all the assumptions laid out above
glass birch
pog also has the team atk buff
and depending on rossi numbers frontier may be pr...
Why frontier?
Oh you mean on pog
frozen tide
I love the new bp weapon looks
terse valley
wait it stacks?
it only says it stacks, but we dont know how much
frozen tide
Sadly don't think ill get usage on either tho
drifting quest
also it being twilight ruins what skill names mean
madge
can they stop making skill names have themes and then introducing exceptions to the theme
daring dove
https://discord.com/channels/950244160684834837/956086682564849684/1481023657974...
I told you the entire time it's a rough approximation. An I had zero interest in the exact figure because it's irrelevent to literally everyone here. Just seemed interested in getting me into a silly argument over mathematics to which I wasn't interested in.
drifting quest
you can understand why we have problems with it though yes
hollow swan
oh cool i didnt' know we had that info on the BP weapons. we don't know anything about the banner weapons yet right?
glass birch
Thats actually funny