theorycrafting

[midnight stirrup]

if u genuinely believe

akef isnt gonna follow in the footsteps of wuwa and hoyo games

boy oh boy

[honest hill]

[warped sorrel]

I hope not tho

[neat snow]

I'm sure it'll be fine nothing to doom about

[drifting quest]

i have hope that it'll be slow

i dont expect it to not happen

but as long as it doesnt happen fast im content

[midnight stirrup]

ofc it would be fine for u

u whale

[warped sorrel]

this is definitely the last gacha game if i quit this
No more gacha game

[honest hill]

slow like wuwa

[drifting quest]

wuwa happened

[midnight stirrup]

wuwa introduced powercreep quick

[warped sorrel]

Which is definitely very healthy

[drifting quest]

very fast

not like wuwa please

[midnight stirrup]

and got bullied out of it

lmao

[honest hill]

lack of 4 stars

[midnight stirrup]

the only one out of these big ones

that isnt a massive offender

is genshin

genuinely

[drifting quest]

genshin isnt as good as you're thinking it was

[quasi quarry]

idk this seems oddly pessimistic

[warped sorrel]

I disagree

[midnight stirrup]

genshins biggest complaint for years was wheres harder endgame so i can actually make use of my investment

[oak vigil]

Tbh I wish I brought up an example of ZZZ being an exception, but then I remembered “oh right they added literal shield mechanic which only certain new characters can properly deplete” thing

[midnight stirrup]

ur saying genshin is worse than the others?

[trim cipher]

Laev team with antal or meta physical team (da pan-p1 lifeng-Chen-Pog) which is better against bosses? (for trimming)

[midnight stirrup]

it never was

[drifting quest]

genshin's probably the least bad but that doesnt make it good

[drifting quest]

the one you are more comfortable playing

[neat snow]

They both trim

[midnight stirrup]

thats what i said

[honest hill]

genshin still looks the same as it did 5 years ago

[warped sorrel]

But the red stage that you can get the feathers from is indeed challenging and very fun
In the case that you have the unit needs

[trim cipher]

Well I've been playing physical since start but I have laev with her sig so I gotta put her to some use

[drifting quest]

use laev then

[quasi quarry]

genshin's biggest issue was releasing absolutely dogwater unplayable units

[drifting quest]

both trim very easily

[honest hill]

leva easy trim

[quasi quarry]

it's main reason i dropped it

[midnight stirrup]

hmm

[dry mist]

Which teams are the best?

[warped sorrel]

Ak do that too tho

[midnight stirrup]

yeah genshin does have some dogshit chars

and 9/10 times theyre anemo dps

[quasi quarry]

I quit the game with Dehya, came back for Wrio because he was hot, unfortunately he was shit too, so i had my fun and dropped it again

[warped sorrel]

Every team kinda feel the same rn
Try testing which is best fit for you

[honest hill]

loads of good teams u can check the spreadsheet pinned in #team-build

[midnight stirrup]

Ive been a Klee main since release. C6'd her a couple days ago

[warped sorrel]

In term of dps

[neat snow]

If you have Laev her team is quite cheap to get going

[midnight stirrup]

[neat snow]

Since you can leave 3 units at 60

[quasi quarry]

nah not even close to genshin's worst units

[warped sorrel]

Isnt that just every team rn?

[midnight stirrup]

Yes

[drifting quest]

physical:
cryo:
electric:

i suppose its an argument of can vs should

[oak vigil]

In reality of all things there is no “best” team.
Well okay, objectively I can just type “build LR team” or “build Laev team” or “build 6 star dps team”, but subjectively every team as long as it has proper synergy and idea behind it is the best team as long as you have fun.

[warped sorrel]

You are very wrong tho

[neat snow]

I was under the impression physical wanted 80s and cryo has some units that benefit from levels like xaihi I think

[midnight stirrup]

every team wants their units at 90

its only recommended 60/80 bc of resource management

[neat snow]

Well yes. I just told him the easiest team to get going if he already owns laev

[warped sorrel]

so basically
It doesn't matter with the challenging content we have rn is very tame

[midnight stirrup]

yeah u said laev only wants supps 60/80

every dps can function with that

not just laev

[neat snow]

Okay you are in an argumentative mood today I won't engage sorry

[quasi quarry]

yeah but she gets the least out of going further than that

[midnight stirrup]

?

[quasi quarry]

that was kinda the point

[honest hill]

the only "challenging content" we have is prob just trimming re crisis bosses

[midnight stirrup]

me when logic

[quasi quarry]

lae will be closer to peak performance with less investment than other teams

[neat snow]

No you're nitpicking and it's annoying

[warped sorrel]

you are right

[midnight stirrup]

how is it nitpicking

[honest hill]

but then again u can remove the "challenging" part w food buff sooo idk

[midnight stirrup]

this chat never fails to surprise me icl

[warped sorrel]

I did hope endgame requires foodbuff actually

[midnight stirrup]

you will never catch me use food buffs

[honest hill]

endgame requiring food buff is bad because u will be forced for farm to make food buffs

[warped sorrel]

i wont catch you
You have everyone p5p5

[midnight stirrup]

nah i dont

thats @daring dove

[warped sorrel]

I wont catch him too then

[midnight stirrup]

Im poor

[warped sorrel]

I also hope it piss people off

Make every runs count

Or something

in the case of endgame give very little reward tho

Speculation

[honest hill]

ppl will quit if that happens, I don't like for trimming recrisis bosses the medal is meaningless because a person used a food buff and u didn't

it would be cool if u got a medal for showing hey I cleared marble boss with solo chen

or solo ember even

that's a flex

[smoky quarry]

questionable, 90th level does absolutely nothing for operators that don't have good damage share

[warped sorrel]

You can also flex those in youtube video format

[honest hill]

yeah ig so

but I want to see it in game

[warped sorrel]

write your yt channel in bio,

Cc will change everything

Trust

[honest hill]

who even watches endfield

[warped sorrel]

Ture flex is coming i can almost taste it

[neat snow]

Endfield dead on twitch at least

[warped sorrel]

Nerd

[honest hill]

like us ppl?

[warped sorrel]

Which is like 20% of population in community

[honest hill]

[warped sorrel]

Hellyeah

[honest hill]

b-but...

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/825059873150074932/1472755774840246292/togif.gif

[warped sorrel]

The game made by nerd and play by nerd

[oak vigil]

I am pretty sure only because there is just nothing to do after doing everything like in other games with some activities after the completion

(we are not going to count Asmongold struggling to connect a conveyor belt stream lmao)

[neat snow]

LOL

[honest hill]

it's just a boring game to watch

[neat snow]

Yeah that's true. Update should see some numbers

[midnight stirrup]

Idk about boring to watch, more so than theres no content

factory is boring to watch tho

[warped sorrel]

agreed

[honest hill]

it also depends on the ccs

[midnight stirrup]

ccs arent the issue

[neat snow]

I posted about it in another discord I am in and multiple people were like hey I play that game. Not even a gaming centered server either so it must be doing well though

[midnight stirrup]

every popular gacha cc tried akef

[honest hill]

well yeah

[warped sorrel]

endfield contentless is a real issue tho

[honest hill]

but it didn't work out for them

at least for most

[honest hill]

that's sad ngl

[midnight stirrup]

wdym

[honest hill]

and 1.1 being a nothing burger

[midnight stirrup]

they all loved it

theres just no content

only one that stuck with it is f0bmaster

[warped sorrel]

[honest hill]

who is this all?

[midnight stirrup]

literally all

name one that didnt like it

[neat snow]

All the streamers I saw play it stopped when the sponsor ended

[honest hill]

yep

literally this

[midnight stirrup]

yeah cause again

[neat snow]

But yes could be content issue

[midnight stirrup]

no content and theyre juggling multiple gacha already

none hated it tho

[neat snow]

Well I don't watch gacha streamer I mean normie variety streamer

[honest hill]

sponsor does play a big part

[warped sorrel]

I think it is because they didnt time gate anything
Especially gear and essense that very eazy to obtain and upgrade
Make us reach endgameish very fast

[midnight stirrup]

they played outside sponsors

only two that hated it

were mtashed and saintontas

[neat snow]

Regardless I think updates will do good for the numbers

[midnight stirrup]

but they hate every gacha thats not wuwa

so

[neat snow]

Because the player base is there

[warped sorrel]

I hate wuwa because it is fun to hate

[honest hill]

mtashed doesn't really play gacha like that it's more so the beginner experience

[midnight stirrup]

wdym

[honest hill]

I get what you mean by saintontas tho

[midnight stirrup]

mtashed plays legit every gacha that comes out

problem with mtashed is that he hates gacha but sticks around for viewership

[honest hill]

doesn't mean he plays them long term

[midnight stirrup]

sigh

[honest hill]

he only plays for the beginner experience to make guides on or reviews

if u have watched his content u would know

[midnight stirrup]

he doesnt play for the beginner experience

he plays bc it makes him money and gacha is the only thing hes known for

nobody watches him for anything else

[honest hill]

it's just early game stuff

[midnight stirrup]

he admitted to this multiple times

[honest hill]

just look at his vids he moves from game to game quick

[midnight stirrup]

....

[honest hill]

I don't think he plays any gacha games long term that I know of

maybe genshin when it was huge?

anyways we're going very off topic

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/825059873150074932/1472755774840246292/togif.gif

[neat snow]

Yes I have to report this conversation sorry

[honest hill]

I think I originally came here to ask the diff between P2 rapid ascent vs P5 sundering steel

for chen

[midnight stirrup]

report the convo hes part of himself

[honest hill]

[neat snow]

I'm an undercover agent

[honest hill]

idk if there's numbers for it

[midnight stirrup]

He was one of the biggest OG cc's for Genshin with Tenha etc

[honest hill]

he was yes

[midnight stirrup]

He got bullied out of it tho after his Klee vids

[honest hill]

tbf I only watched his genshin vids for early game so idk what happened after

cuz at the time I was new to gacha

[midnight stirrup]

He was the black sheep of the ccs

everyone hated his ahh

thats what happened

[odd wren]

Rapid better

[honest hill]

at what dupe vs P5 sundering?

[odd wren]

I did the test manually p3 vs p5

I did ult at stagger same time

[warped sorrel]

I think sundering is better period right?

[honest hill]

how big is the difference

[honest hill]

better than P0/1 rapid idk about 2

[odd wren]

320k crit sunder

419k crit rapid

[honest hill]

did u calc how much it would be at P0/1/2

[odd wren]

Same condition without food

[odd wren]

Sadly no

I did it at p3

[honest hill]

a lot of the chen players I see ask the same questions all the time

[odd wren]

Both essence maxed

When the test happened

Maxed 3rd stat

[honest hill]

what about in a longer fight

still the same?

[honest hill]

tbf that sundering missing like 70 agi and some phys dmg

[odd wren]

Rapid still overall coz of the 3rd stat

[odd wren]

Yeah

[honest hill]

I do know 100% that P5 sundering beats P0

it's not much

[odd wren]

Yes

[honest hill]

it's like 10-15%?

for her own damage

[odd wren]

If you don't have p2 ra at least maybe sundering better at p5

[honest hill]

oh nvm the agi goes up to 124

ur missing 44 agi and like 5% phys dmg

ur rapid however missing like 20

[honest hill]

just wish there was a way to know

P0/P1

[odd wren]

Hmm if can manually calculate i guess

But too bad i dunno how haha

[dawn patrol]

hello chat

[honest hill]

lol

[odd wren]

Yeah i could've tested before sadge

[honest hill]

wish we could actually test in game ourselves by changing the essence that's alr equipped to lower level or have a training ground for that

prob too much to ask

[warped sorrel]

there is no tc website like genshin right? That you can input everything and dps come out

[honest hill]

nah idts

[warped sorrel]

Sadge

[dawn shard]

genshin optimizer my beloved

[odd wren]

Sadge

[warped sorrel]

I hope someone do it

[dawn patrol]

i think someone is working on a calc sheet but i could be wrong

[honest hill]

we don't have media servers like how kuro and hoyo have but then again that leads to leaks and such bad for hg

[odd wren]

Why do i feel like im doing low dps with this or maybe its just ult rotation issue

[honest hill]

prob rotation issue

[odd wren]

Sadge need to learn

XD

[honest hill]

P5 wedge is I think 5-10% better than P0 artzy

[odd wren]

[honest hill]

but yk

it's a 6*

[warm galleon]

You have to use ult while the boss has solidification and the only one that can solidify in your team is just yvon herself, with that set up you want the enemies to have 3-4 cryo stacks before solidification so you get full ult duration including the final ult hit.

Or you can simply replace ardelia with snowshine since her ult forces solidification.

[gaunt mason]

p5 sundering is somewhere between p0 and p1 rapid

i can send you the sheet when i get home if you want it

[honest hill]

yes pls me wanna see

[smoky quarry]

fuck 😭

This team genuinely presses too much buttons

I fumbled couple of times, that's where I lost 10 seconds ig

[warped sorrel]

Wait until you try other team

[warm galleon]

Yvon team is just hold atk, but LR teams presses attack four times for one slash

[smoky quarry]

Does anyone knows 10 ginseng plot farming layout? I've heard it takes some brainfuckery to replicate

[drifting berry]

Have they reveal any numbers at all for 1.1? Like Tangtang/Rossi multipliers, gear set stats, weapon stats, etc?

[honest hill]

nope nada

we got nothing boss

[jaunty pecan]

? Dunnoe what you mean, there's a limit to how much we can plant, just plant them as square so you can idle the germination/harvesting phase w/o your teammates being stuck on those sprinklers.

and you can plant 20 - so not sure what you mean with 10 ginseng layout

[outer ermine]

just remove facilities w camera

[smoky quarry]

Starting from 1.1 there will be precharged ults in protocol space?

[potent hornet]

yerp

[smoky quarry]

The anti-synergy of wulf and lavatein is killing me

Can't apply stacks if the enemy has combustion

wait it out lmfao

[dawn patrol]

that's why you run ake

[smoky quarry]

I was trying to play it out with adhd squad, but it seems like I'll default to the default one

Finally, way better result

God I hate triangaloid

"Yeah, you are famous

For running away like a little bitch"

[gritty briar]

man rhodagn sidesteps are so annoying

[smoky quarry]

Now I can rest in peace

[gritty briar]

this has happened 3 times in a row and i have to refill fluorite ult to retry every time
https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/487110864504094730/1480000255591317535/338327330.9_12A138DC605AA9A8.mp4?ex=69ae1526&is=69acc3a6&hm=2fcb143a7e8aed913eda57c6c520e4c8f920c062fcfbc3b752ac8ef5a6c3bcf4&

catcher pls just hit the guy

[frozen tide]

You need to get the 7 other trims frfr

[outer ermine]

bro got sidestepped

[smoky quarry]

Those are the shiniest medals I could find

Others don't look unique/have trim

[frozen tide]

There are 7 other trims

[smoky quarry]

I want 10 golden medals

they are not all golden

[frozen tide]

1 more orange gold thingy and 6 opal looking thingys

You are missing one gold trim

[smoky quarry]

By opal you mean silver?

[lean pawn]

Banana

[potent hornet]

hammock

[lean pawn]

Yo congrats I still havent trimmed marble

Not that I am trying tbf

[smoky quarry]

I miss two trims

Cryptics (6/9, too lazy) and Ultimate weaponry (requires essense grind)

but again, I don't like silver medals

[lean pawn]

Eh they dont expire anyway

[smoky quarry]

Endfield is the first gacha on my mind that doesn't rewards for achievements

and that's bummer to put it lightly

[lean pawn]

Kinda good kinda bad

[honest hill]

Nah fluorite pushed him so far back that it looked like a sidestep

[lean pawn]

It lets the less adventurous player not feel left out

[frozen tide]

Theres 4 gold trims

[smoky quarry]

What's the fourth one?

[potent hornet]

you already addressed why you don't have ultimate weapon

essence

[smoky quarry]

Is this Z7 team build?

[gritty briar]

yes

[smoky quarry]

are you getting any synergies out of it?

[frozen tide]

Ultimate weaponry is the last gold i think

[smoky quarry]

Ultimate weaponry requires full essense on a weapon with 3 potential

If I didn't miscalculated

[summer flicker]

me hating triaglos and not trim that boss

[gritty briar]

fluorite stacks inflictions for estella shatters
estella's phys suscept also helps catcher dps

[summer flicker]

[gritty briar]

that's about it

[smoky quarry]

I don't plan to do full essense for 5 star weapon lol

[mortal wolf]

Is there like a usual number Laevatain's intellect is supposed to be at p0? (this is p1 I just wanted to check)

[smoky quarry]

maybe third line for stanza and that's all

[summer flicker]

sundering steel for chen

best option for her rn xdd

[smoky quarry]

Leveling phys team will literally take month of realtime

Almost finished these two teams

[frozen tide]

I got stanza 6/6/3

Not a lot to spend sanity on anyw if you aren't building second team

[smoky quarry]

Finished building second team? Start building third

Why spent sanity on weapon that's not meant for dealing damage

on a support character

[frozen tide]

Stanza is not bad for dmg

🤔

[smoky quarry]

Stanza is usually used alongside hypercarry

[dawn patrol]

<p2 hot work is 696 int

[potent hornet]

more importantly

[smoky quarry]

and support damage share in this case is like under 5%

[potent hornet]

stanza is Forgborn essence

[frozen tide]

I have dmg loadouts for supps for overworld/domains usually

[potent hornet]

Forgeborn

[mortal wolf]

okay thank you 🙂‍↕️

[frozen tide]

Just makes clearing weaker mobs faster

🔥

[normal tangle]

overworlding with yvonne is so annoying bruh

[potent hornet]

whut

its easy mode

[normal tangle]

enemies die to the skill so i don't get to do the final strike for combo skill

i hate ts so much

[smoky quarry]

Oh, right

[normal tangle]

yeah TOO easy mode

[smoky quarry]

When I'll finish lava essense, I'll be able to get ultimate weaponry medal too

[normal tangle]

i don't get to use half my aoe

[dawn patrol]

i need rossi to come out yesterday omfg

[normal tangle]

half my ult charge too

[dawn patrol]

nothing to do in this game anymore

[smoky quarry]

I need a reminder, is Rossi legal adult?

[normal tangle]

huh

[smoky quarry]

I just saw some wicked shit and want to know for sure

[normal tangle]

who

rossi is not

[dawn patrol]

isn't rossi a literal child

[normal tangle]

not even close

[normal tangle]

yes

[smoky quarry]

Either that or short adult that behaves childish

[normal tangle]

no she is just a child

[potent hornet]

my 3 completed essences

[smoky quarry]

damn

so people were making weird arts of a child

[normal tangle]

6/6/3 stanza essence and not even level 90

[smoky quarry]

not a first time, but still

[normal tangle]

W investment

[dawn patrol]

i have to wait 3 more weeks for rossi put me on suicide watch already

[glass birch]

[hollow wyvern]

Surely we get numbers for her on launch

[potent hornet]

i did it specifically so i can swap to my forgeborn

[normal tangle]

watch fangyi come right after rossi and everyone who spends on her dies

[hollow wyvern]

So you can doom about her dmg for 3 weeks

[dawn patrol]

idgaf about fangyi

[hollow wyvern]

[dawn patrol]

just put the rossi in the bag bro

[gritty olive]

i have like 200 fodder essence for her weapon currently. so we just wait it out... hopefullt

[frozen tide]

Fangyi upper half looks gorgeous but bottom half is literal green onion

[hollow wyvern]

Endfield skins when

[potent hornet]

no discussing Leeks in TC chat

[smoky quarry]

Don't worry, she turns into complete green onion in ult

[dawn patrol]

where are you people getting all these fod- nvm

[gritty olive]

i will now stop on the account of me getting offtopic. i dont want to get banned again

[odd wren]

Oh btw if you want to maximize your outpost level when patch comes dont sell anything in your outposts management for wuling starting march 9th
Save your elastic goods dont sell then yet so you can easily level up your depot and stock redistribution node using your extra bills by the time the patch is live

[smoky quarry]

You know who got real drip? That one liberi with name that I can't pronounce

I'll pull for her

[gritty olive]

anyways ill be trying to make a build guide template

[midnight stirrup]

https://giphy.com/gifs/trying-not-to-laugh-mikaelly-mikaellygrace-R3hzERpe6H3r1ySuNh

[odd wren]

Eame saving for her atp

[gritty olive]

if yall want to contribute you can probably dm me

[smoky quarry]

Look, I am not the weird one here

[gritty olive]

hopefully gets pinned with streamlined information here

[midnight stirrup]

I only see you bringing it up

[dawn patrol]

i'll contribute to rossi info

[smoky quarry]

Just needed clarification, never really liked hype 'round rossi

[gritty olive]

like this

the build guide maker has trust issues so i need to build it from the groundup

i have some assets to use so we can use it

[smoky quarry]

We got them already

[glass birch]

Once we get numbers and stats I plan to work out a build for Rossi

[hollow wyvern]

[dawn patrol]

yeah i'll help with the ones i know but i'm stupid so don't expect much

[glass birch]

Im under the assumption she's Agi/Int

or Agi/Str

[smoky quarry]

Waiting for someone to make perlica in wedding dress

[gritty olive]

skin mods are prohibited in discussion here

[smoky quarry]

🤫

[smoky quarry]

I'd say it's Agi/Will based on her character

[outer ermine]

cr

[dawn patrol]

gonna have to wait for numbers and new sets but i'm just gonna assume new mi sets will have her stats

[hollow wyvern]

Tangtang won't have int, that I know for sure

[dawn patrol]

unless she's some kind of int/agi freak

[smoky quarry]

Character attributes somewhat correlate with their narrative

[hollow wyvern]

I wonder who will have lowest int, Chen or TT

[smoky quarry]

Tie

[normal tangle]

tangtang literally cannot read

[potent hornet]

doesn't mean they aren't smart

[smoky quarry]

The real question is, why lavatein is so smart?

[potent hornet]

what if its dislexia

[smoky quarry]

She's like perlica level int

[hollow wyvern]

Multiple lifetimes of knowledge?

[gritty olive]

this is #theorycrafting maybe ask #lore-room

[smoky quarry]

Lifetimes? She doesn't remembers even one lifetime

[smoky quarry]

Now that's just tangtang copium

[potent hornet]

she figured out how to rig explosives to infiltrate wuling, not exactly dumb

[hollow wyvern]

Doesn't know how waterwheels work

[smoky quarry]

Intellect is not measured by knowledge

[potent hornet]

shes a cat, probably never actually cared to because of the water

[smoky quarry]

It's measured by thinking process and capabilities

[midnight stirrup]

bombs usually break bricks

[gritty olive]

anyways i think this offtopic has gone long offcourse
i got channel banned for 4 arknights images while yeahh dont be complacent about being too offtopic

[dawn patrol]

^

[potent hornet]

figured out which wall would bust into a spot on the wall weak enough to actually get into the city

[dawn patrol]

we did get permission to use tc as normal but let's try to keep it ontopic

[smoky quarry]

We shall avoid waking up mods in a moment like that

[potent hornet]

fair

[gritty olive]

tc as normal?

[normal tangle]

that’s will

intellect is just knowledge

[smoky quarry]

Will here means mental fortitude

[normal tangle]

literally a book icon

[dawn patrol]

occasional offtopic is fine, and not combat only

[smoky quarry]

as long as nobody is complaining

[normal tangle]

don’t worry we’re theorycrafting tangtang stats

it’s all above board

[midnight stirrup]

yare yare

[gritty olive]

no one was complainign about my offtopic when i got channel banned

[smoky quarry]

there was no such permission at the moment

it's recent thing

[dawn patrol]

monika is never going to let this go LMAO

[smoky quarry]

skipper and shuo talked in chat

[glass birch]

Shhhh we dont talk about it

[gritty olive]

i will just be a constant reminder to not be complacent

[dawn patrol]

[gritty olive]

i always employ a rule of

[smoky quarry]

M3 Ult and BS, finish essense and that's it? Lavatein finished?

[gritty olive]

id m3 cs over basic

if youre thrifty do neither

[dawn patrol]

i'd just m12

[smoky quarry]

Basic? BS is Battle skill

[dawn patrol]

you're running her hypercarry anyway so it's not like you're starved for resources

[gritty olive]

basic (attacks)

[smoky quarry]

There's no point in mastering basic attack since ult multiplier is completely separate afaik

[dawn patrol]

i do it for the love of the game

(finisher)

[gritty olive]

i wouldve used skill for basic skill and combo for combo skill

so just comms problem. id do r9 basic attacks and m3 everything else

[smoky quarry]

I spend in moderation, sure I can M3 combo skill, but what do I get from it?

[dawn patrol]

-1s cd

and more dmg

[gritty olive]

-1 second of combo skill might give you some more magma stacks but i havent seen anyone mention a combo that utilizes a 9s combo skill so i would recommend to just m3 skill and ult

hence me not actively recommending over m6 for laev if youre thrifty

[smoky quarry]

10% cooldown reduction is valid, damage from combo is unimportant

[gritty olive]

combo is 540% scaling so its pretty fine

[dawn patrol]

if you deliberately delay it you can get 1 mf stack from the ebs combust

or something

[gritty olive]

problem is most of the dmg% buffs youre getting is for ult enhanced basic attacks with forgeborn

[smoky quarry]

25% total increase for 3 masteries?

it woudn't be a problem if it didn't costed me a fortune, I'd rather start filling out third team

[gritty olive]

yeah r9 -> m3 is usually 25% increase in damage

cs wouldve been fine for damage contribution but yeah got the shorter end of the stick

[smoky quarry]

Amount of satisfaction I got from this is immeasureable

[gritty olive]

my sims assume you always basic attack on downtime so thats why normal basic attacks have higher damage contribution than ult enhanced basic attacks iirc

which is not the case in gameplay: youd probably run to the enemy or dodge their attacks, limiting your spamming of basic attacks

[smoky quarry]

I was already typing to point this out, lol

[dawn patrol]

tbf even in actual gameplay you do basic a lot

so basic m3 is not totally worthless or whateva

[gritty olive]

n1 n2 -> dodge, breaking your flow -> n1 n2

or they just go back tons of distance away

[gritty briar]

there's also finisher damage from basic masteries

[gritty olive]

which you cant do when youre in ult

[smoky quarry]

I love it when boss interrupts me one strike away from FS (I was about to consume all heat stacks)

[dawn patrol]

just do it when you're not in ult

[gritty olive]

so realistically id do is switch to ardelia while laev is pretending to be a helicopter

[gritty briar]

ardelia basic mastery tech...

[smoky quarry]

Antal has more impact than ardelia in single target as I've noticed

Better downtime and global buff on ult instead of heal

[gritty olive]

assuming 300 toughness/staggerpoints of course

[smoky quarry]

which was kinda obvious

[gritty olive]

fortunately this isnt like IS so far

[smoky quarry]

but I felt it on trimming

[gritty olive]

and only arknights can do an actual meaningful roguelite so far

if endfield were to do one it would be like hollow zero which i disliked a lot

[smoky quarry]

Actually, why etchspace feels so bad to play?

[dawn patrol]

bc you're just doing the same stuff over and over

[gritty olive]

because its an extraction type of thing instead of an actual roguelite

its like reclamation algorithm for me

or like a "raid boss" if you skew the definition by a lot

[smoky quarry]

Is there way to make it more engaging?

[gritty olive]

would you want etchspace to be weekly

itd get ditched like zzz tvs in 3 months

[smoky quarry]

I mean, people didn't liked to spend time on annihilation

but they still did it

[gritty olive]

thats 2019 ideas

[smoky quarry]

you either do it or lose opportunity

[gritty olive]

vastly different to rn where people play like multiple gachas

(me)

[dawn patrol]

i only play arknights and arknights

and limbus as a sidegame

there's negative fomo in limbus anyway so i can just not play for a while and be fine

[gritty olive]

arknights en and arknights endfield and arknights bilibili and genshim and blue archice and hsr and limbus

[gritty briar]

i quit arknights like a year ago i think

[gritty olive]

four with autos and autodeploys so its manageable to an extent

[gritty briar]

just couldn't be bothered anymore

[midnight stirrup]

Why would you do that to yourself

I hated myself juggling between all 3 hoyo games

[gritty briar]

i can barely handle 2 gachas

[midnight stirrup]

Genshin was my bread and butter but I feel like I beat the game ever since I c6d Klee and Durin

So im just dead on there now

Wuwa I like occassionally

AKEF my favorite rn

[smoky quarry]

Can't imagine doing dailies in three games. At one moment I was so captured by KCD2, that I didn't wanted to quit it and log into endfield lol

[dawn patrol]

yeah endfield is also my main game rn

[gritty briar]

I realized i should stop arknights when new content came out and thinking about doing new stages felt like chores to me

[smoky quarry]

dumb question, but I'll proceed anyway

Are we going to get 1.1 roadmap, like the .roadmap one?

[potent hornet]

i would assume so

[main nova]

should i stick with Perlica in Yvonne team or should I just remove her and make mono cryo instead?

[potent hornet]

i would wait until you get TT for that. perlica using stanza?

[main nova]

yeah as usual

[potent hornet]

yea, just wait to see if you get her. She is fine there with a stanza and free elec

[smoky quarry]

I've calculated that by finishing crafting manual I'll get 1360 oroberyls, which is 2.72 pulls

still more than umbral monument btw

[main nova]

[potent hornet]

while it is speculated that TangTang is great for the cryo team, we could still get a rug pulled out from under us by an odd design choice like bad multipliers or something

[main nova]

you should not count gacha economy in this game, it is known coz it has horrible rate

[smoky quarry]

devs be like, we gave you 240 pulls first patch, so in compensation you'll get only 40 next patch

[main nova]

im contemplating exactly because of tangtang

she is so silly i want her in my team

[potent hornet]

Perlica does the job rather well currently tho and will still be good after the patch, potentially better depending on the new gear stat spreads

[main nova]

all valley iv content probably like 100ish pull right?

[potent hornet]

losing stanza on the team is a bit of a negative, i'm curious to see if it will be worth the tradeoff

[smoky quarry]

I think I got like 160 from valley

[main nova]

unless tangtang weapon as consistent as Stanza

[potent hornet]

speculation guesses her weapon might end up being self buff

[main nova]

god dang it

[smoky quarry]

white nova all over again

[potent hornet]

if that happens then we end up ult botting tang tang

with obj

or giving her crits through artzy

[main nova]

we need Stanza rate up, because I need it for my gilberta too

[potent hornet]

stanza shows up in the small shop

[main nova]

in future we might need 20 of them

[potent hornet]

for 400ish currency

stanza buff doesn't stack with itself

[smoky quarry]

I wonder why buffs can't stack from separate sources

Like two separate sets of xiranite

[potent hornet]

no point in running two of them unles they have content in the furture that would require so much time that rotating stanza buffs on two casters would be optimal

[potent hornet]

forced build variety

i would love thermite and stanza on the same team

2 thermites and 2 stanzas on a rainbow team

sorry i didn't pluralize

[smoky quarry]

doing 12 thermites is too expensive even for whale

switching sets is kind of annoying. I can't afford artificing two same sets, so I have to juggle them around if I change rotation or team

[dawn patrol]

no it's not lmao

whales will whale regardless

if you could run 2 thermites they would pull for 2 thermites

[potent hornet]

yea i'm pretty sure the real whales have been p5ing thermites on accident

i p5d deto unit on accident and i think i spent $220

[smoky quarry]

luckiest mf alive

[dawn patrol]

i don't even have thermite man shit's fucked

[potent hornet]

pulling LR and Khrav

i got one copy of thermite

[dawn patrol]

i got valiant on the free box like an idiot

should've just taken thermite

[smoky quarry]

Getting delivery guaranteed would be really nice, if token economy wasn't so terrible

Just pulled for lavatein weapon and weekly rotations

[potent hornet]

i'm pretty sure thats where i got mine

[smoky quarry]

Your lifeng will say thanks

[dawn patrol]

i have mountain bearer

[smoky quarry]

was it worth it?

[echo cove]

How do ppl count ult gain threshold for a chara in a build?

[dawn patrol]

i mean idk but i'm fine with it

[dawn patrol]

calculated based on ult cost

and rot

[strange iris]

why does yvonne need gilberta? besides grouping mobs

[potent hornet]

infliction

you can run stanza on her as well

[gritty olive]

energy cost / raw energy gained in rotation = total energy% needed

[echo cove]

Is there a calc or sheet for it?

[gritty olive]

no

[echo cove]

Energy cost is whatever is listed on the chara ult itake it?

[gritty olive]

yes

[echo cove]

How do we count raw energy gained in a rot?

Is it by fs?

[gritty olive]

ult gain meesed for ultspam laev

[dawn patrol]

team skill is 6.5, combo is 25

[smoky quarry]

How do I get that small bit of ult treshold? Swap gloves for xiranite?

[gritty olive]

combo is 10 afaik

[dawn patrol]

oh is it only 25 for laev

[gritty olive]

but it depends

[echo cove]

All chara?

[dawn patrol]

team is 6.5 for everyone and combo is for user only

[gritty olive]

the energy for laev is fixed 25/30/35

iirc

[echo cove]

Hmm interesting

What abt gil's case

I was wondering how many ult gain i need on gil for a rotation with only 2 fs

P0

[gritty olive]

iirc its like 230

[echo cove]

230%?

Good God

[echo cove]

How abt 3 fs?

[smoky quarry]

Amongst default legs, whose p1 is the most beneficial?

Ardelia as it seems

[dry kindle]

arclight combo is 5 energy because yes

[proud vector]

She gets to do it like twice every electrify technically

If she was 10 energy holy fk lmao

Unironically might be op

[lusty kernel]

Which one

Avywena team

[frozen tide]

Ww ig

Not close to bis but serviceable

[smoky quarry]

You should merge all dupes you have into potentials

You don't need copies of the weapons

[lusty kernel]

Yea i just havent been using 5 star weapons
I just started building my electric team

[smoky quarry]

Wild Wanderer is best from 5 stars

[lusty kernel]

Thanks for the info

[smoky quarry]

Among 6 stars, it's either detonation unit or oblivion

Oblivion for dps, Detonation for support

[lusty kernel]

Im using arclight nd the weapon i have her on is white night nova

Is that her bis

[smoky quarry]

It's her signature, but not best in slot

[lusty kernel]

Oh

[smoky quarry]

Arclight's damage is miserable

and nova tries to buff it

[lusty kernel]

So im better off using like thermite cutter

?

[smoky quarry]

Yes

Thermite is best for arclight

[lusty kernel]

Avy, arlight, perlica, gilberta

[smoky quarry]

but honestly, I'd rather get akekuri instead of arclight. Arclight isn't doing much for the team, except for activating sp buffs that akekuri can do too

The main difference here is damage buffs

One is wildland trekker, triggered by proccing combat skill 3(2) times, and another one is link from akekuri

Link is easier to line up with avy BS

[lusty kernel]

I could use ake since i have her built up and my arclight can stay lv1

[smoky quarry]

That would be smart resource-wise, yeah

[gaunt mason]

lmk if you still want it

i gotta paste it into another sheet from my own and the formatting got messed up

[potent hornet]

anyone else like how you have races in valley IV but wuling has an actual track with no races

[smoky quarry]

what

[hollow wyvern]

What I like most is that I had to look up wtf races even are once the bp missions popped up

[gaunt mason]

@honest hill mb i haven't looked at my chen stuff in a while 😭 yeah you're right p5 sundering is generally between p2 and p3 rapid

lmk if the formatting got messed up. this is for off field chen, if you do on field chen then sundering is much better
https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/1VfHMKZVE-z63O4RdGRMidqptlwAdYwtHJ4dJTWiO7sw/edit?usp=sharing

[potent hornet]

there are 4 footraces in valley IV

atm there are none in wuling even tho they have tracks in the city

[gritty olive]

trying for a build guide using my template already

pretty cool

[icy remnant]

Raise all your operators to lvl20 at least for the DiJiang buffs
Pays themselves off resource wise super fast

[smoky quarry]

finnchaser on lavatein is crazy work

[lusty kernel]

20/40 ?

[smoky quarry]

It depends, read the talents

[peak void]

good notes

[smoky quarry]

Wulfgard - Akekuri - Antal is highkey good for single-target too

More stable than gilberta and stronger than ardelia in terms of buffs/debuffs

And antal combo is very neat

it's possible to do 4 heat stacks for 100 sp if you don't count mark (it's a starter anyway)

Ake/Wulf BS -> Wulf CS -> Wulf Ult -> Antal CS -> Wulf CS

[unreal light]

Cool calc 🔥

[summer flicker]

i hate how plunge in yvonne ult

just straight up reset your sequence to the begin

😭

which means you have to end tangtang ult b4 yvonne ult(i mean that alr the case since you waste like 1s plunging)

[normal tangle]

plunge after your final string finishes but before your final strike

there's a 2s grace window

[summer flicker]

what's the point then kekw

[normal tangle]

even if you waste like 3 bullets, it's fine

?

wym what's the point

[summer flicker]

you would gilb ult before that

[normal tangle]

free infliction+susc?

[summer flicker]

😭

for later rotation

[normal tangle]

you don't run gilb+tangtang

[summer flicker]

where you set up?

that's like, buff for an even smaller part than gilb alr do

with lower sus

[normal tangle]

?

[smoky quarry]

According to my observations, a full set artifice requires approximately 120 catalysts.

This is:
2 weeks worth of catalysts and 9.6 millions bills
17 hours of running gear fabricator (You can't combine gear fabrication with batteries)

And on top of that, another 960k bills for gear crafting

[summer flicker]

there r a few final strike

😭

so skill final strike ult

this is where you mean right

there also a final strike after you ult

i misunderstood

@normal tangle do you have a vid for that

if you talk about the skill final strike ult -> there are 4 string of ba in there -> a special final strike
can you clarify where the window is if i understand incorrectly

[normal tangle]

gimme 20min playing ow rn

[dry kindle]

Bruh.

[normal tangle]

i mean ult final strike

not regular attack string

[summer flicker]

so that's like only buff your final final attack

you lose like your ult sequence

ye i dont need vid, now im more clear

ty

[normal tangle]

you don't need to dive for susc?

just use skill?

[summer flicker]

its kinda a deal breaker because her sus is 15s, just pliunge b4 that

[normal tangle]

dive is to set up next rot

[summer flicker]

i mean that work

ok i see your vision

[summer flicker]

for ult to apply sus, you need to dive tho if that you mean

[normal tangle]

you don't need ult to apply sus man

you should have sus during the whole thing

[summer flicker]

you mean this

ye, if you battle skill apply sus alr

that's one good way to apply tangtang qol

but that's -1 cyro stack for the first rotation

i guess its ok

[normal tangle]

do we know how long the susc lasts for

[summer flicker]

15s

[normal tangle]

because it looks like a while

[summer flicker]

or 16s

aoudn that

by counting on the showcase

[normal tangle]

that should be plenty yeah

[summer flicker]

ye i set up this

barely enough

the chen face is the sus

[normal tangle]

lowkey the tech is to just not run gilb

gilb tangtang is kinda cope

[summer flicker]

but they work

[normal tangle]

sub in perli or something

should be fine

clearly they don't

[summer flicker]

they work fine

[frozen tide]

🔥

[normal tangle]

try perlica and see what happens

[smoky quarry]

You guys are already making timeline for tangtang?

[summer flicker]

yes

[normal tangle]

i would show you but i'd get sniped for off topic embed

[smoky quarry]

She's not even pre-downloaded, how

[frozen tide]

Lmao

[summer flicker]

showcase

[noble tapir]

Guestimation

[normal tangle]

i'm lowk carrying my team rn

[frozen tide]

Dm the ss

:3

[summer flicker]

combo skill by counting is 12-13s
her 3 water sprout skill is around 30sp return

that's all we need to know to cook rot

ultimate can just slap ult energy gear and cope

[icy remnant]

I want to see how much less dmg Last rite will do than Yvonne

[normal tangle]

this is maygi's

#theorycrafting message

[icy remnant]

lol pretend TangTang

Guess I’ll be doing like 10% less damage using Last Rite instead of Yvonne

[rich linden]

I spent the entire day yesterday sweating in stygian, I forgot to login to endfield

[summer flicker]

that rot is a bit not valid nowbecause her ult dont apply cyro, only apply cyro after you dive

im cooking the tangtang rot

[main nova]

unoptimal account, uninstall

[frozen tide]

Account is bricked

[rich linden]

Despairge

[normal tangle]

doesn't matter for this case

this rotation doesn't depend on cryo from ult, it's to set up next one

like i've been saying

[icy remnant]

I wonder if we will ever get beefy enough bosses to need multiple rotations

[normal tangle]

just make your build really shit to experience prime rota looping gameplay

[icy remnant]

[normal tangle]

translation -> just play yvonne

[summer flicker]

you lose prolly 1/3 of your sus

because you dont get ult with 2combo skill

[normal tangle]

we'll see when numbers happen i guess

[icy remnant]

I’m gonna be building Last Rite for my next team and it seems that it’ll do even less damage than Yvonne

[summer flicker]

and also plunge in yvonne ult

reset her ult sequenc

[normal tangle]

in theory

we don't actually know

[icy remnant]

I mean they messed up if at the end the limited unit deals less than the perma

They did nerf LRs number before release

[normal tangle]

it's fine if the tradeoff is having to play last rite

[normal tangle]

terrible unit

[summer flicker]

😭

[rich linden]

Chat is 130k (in 3 hits) good dmg for laeva burst enhanced battle skill?

[normal tangle]

why is tangtang ult so early

there is no way it's lasting 20s

[summer flicker]

ult -> plunge

for the 15s buff

and a cyro

[normal tangle]

oh my lord this guy and his instaplunge

[summer flicker]

perlica ult for the stanza

[normal tangle]

use the damn time stop man

[summer flicker]

[normal tangle]

worst TCer on earth 😭

[summer flicker]

im create pure dmg rotaion

kill the qol

[warm galleon]

Would be funny if time stop actually stop all timers

Elsword Esper ptsd

[normal tangle]

fixed your name for you

since you refuse to use tangtang's actual kit

susc and absolutely nothing else

[summer flicker]

[normal tangle]

LaffeyBnnuy - 15% susc enjoyer

[summer flicker]

at least i do 4 combo skill

instead of benching tangtang dmg in the perlica rotation

[rich linden]

Even the sanity regen timer?

[warm galleon]

That's actually how it works if you activate time buff with 200 sp left and died within time limit with 0 sp, you'll revive with 200 sp and whatever hp you have when you activated the buff.

Edit: This is on released, i don't know any other rebalancing since it's an old game with tons of rebalancing

[summer flicker]

the rotation would be faster

if i -1 tangtang combo skill

prolly like 58s or sth

[rich linden]

I feel like theres a misunderstanding

Sanity is the stuff u spend to farm mats

[warm galleon]

You can't spend them when time is not running tho..

[rich linden]

You also cant see anything

Bc light takes time to travel

[warm galleon]

So do you gain stamina/sanity when time is not moving?

[rich linden]

Stamina!= sanity 😭

[warm galleon]

What I actually mean by my original comment is
For example you use gilb ult which last for 5 seconds then you use her ult, gilb's ult timer also stops.

So gilb ult duration + time buff

[rich linden]

Ahh

Yea das cool

[rich linden]

i was talking ab this timer

[warm galleon]

Yah i notice half way

[rich linden]

Heheh

[warm galleon]

I quit 3 games for endfield so now I only play 7 games.

[unique valley]

wait, since Rossi's Ultimate is Heat DMG from which a lot of her dmg comes from, doesn't that mean she can benefit from Arts Amp/Susceptibility?

[icy remnant]

Gilberta

Yes

They basically designed both kits together

[unique valley]

yet another reminder of how miserable life is without Gilberta

[icy remnant]

Probably gonna end up as our games first S tier character

Fit in every comp and makes it better

[unique valley]

as if she isn't already

[unique valley]

except Physical, but then again she'll probably make it work somehow

[icy remnant]

Groups trash mobs as a QoL and still the best when it comes to numbers

[main nova]

imagine missing transporter neesan

https://tenor.com/view/angelina-gilberta-arknights-endfield-gif-11189945124697171991

[icy remnant]

Everyone was doomposting her so bad

[icy remnant]

About how Ardelia is better

[summer flicker]

3cs tangtang

~59s

[icy remnant]

And suddenly everyone wants Gilberta

Gacha community whiplash is insane

[unique valley]

I'm a victim ok!, I started playing like 2 days after launch, thought the game wasn't for me, uninstalled, showcases found their way to me, my interest reignited twinfold and I came back, but at that point Gilberta's Banner had already ended 😭

[main nova]

she smile at you, cheer you up in this hellhole and you did not pull her

[summer flicker]

'

somehow i have a faster rotation with gilb and tangtang than tangtang perlica 😭

[icy remnant]

I’ll use Ardelia still in Last Rite team probably

[summer flicker]

[main nova]

tho you can skip her weapon since Stanza is goat

[summer flicker]

ye i skip her weapon

[unique valley]

worse is that it'll be forever until she reruns because the game literally just started

[summer flicker]

just get her when pulling for tangtang

[main nova]

I practically cant live without Stanza now. god damn it game

[summer flicker]

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/586588921614303233/1469543602135892109/6912d338fdceb2be7221c0ca.gif

[icy remnant]

I live without stanza by playing physical

[main nova]

[unique valley]

I tried that already and ended up with Yvonne, which in my case is bad

[icy remnant]

Pog is my stanza

[summer flicker]

art unit physical when

[main nova]

physical love getting... physical

[icy remnant]

Physical team feels so complete except for LiFeng being dogwater and missing his skill twice in 30s

[unique valley]

what are you talking about?, Lifeng has never let me down

he's great

[main nova]

look at this Lifeng haver meanwhile me has to cope with Ember

[unique valley]

I'm more amazed by how good this looks on mobile

[main nova]

and from information that Rossie is not good either to change my cope in physical

[icy remnant]

I play on mobile instead of PC cus my muscle memory can’t get used to the PC controls and the game feels good on mobile

[main nova]

[icy remnant]

Like it genuinely feels smooth

[main nova]

my physical is doomed

[icy remnant]

I set it to low settings to save battery but I can easily turn graphics up

And it won’t be heavy on the phone

[main nova]

god let rossie is good with ember so i can cope with her cuteness

[unique valley]

wasn't it just said that people were doomposting Gilberta and now she runs the game?, yeah I ain't believing anything until she's added

[main nova]

[icy remnant]

People were doomposting Gilberta during her banner too
All the way till it was over

And then people started regretting it

[main nova]

yeah im just hoping she is at least good enough for my physical

at least maybe replace Ember or Chen

or MC

[unique valley]

she's not good with Physical, that's her entire point, she's a Hybrid DPS

[main nova]

god damn it

[glass birch]

If you run mono-phys she's a shitty chen

[warm galleon]

Then Rossi will be the gilberta of 1.2 and 1.3 operators

[icy remnant]

I want MC to stay long term but that might be cope

[main nova]

fak

[glass birch]

She needs some form of infliction to be even equal to chen in Phys comps

Otherwise she falls behind even without skill modifiers

[unique valley]

Rossi's meant to introduce a new playstyle that mixes both Physical and Arts DMG

[peak void]

they still have 3 pots, plenty of room to stay relevant

[main nova]

but she is so cute, i want to add her so bad

[glass birch]

I mean, you can get her and use her for story?

But theres better picks

Like the 5 star Chen lol

[warm galleon]

Just p5p5 her

[main nova]

[icy remnant]

I like that Endmin buffs the team while being a Crusher

Hope their potentials buff the team even further

[warm galleon]

Where was it

[icy remnant]

I found the Rossi Endmin dynamic in the story abit cringe but I guess it’s just me

[glass birch]

Even p5p5 Rossi is just a shitty chen without any inflictions outside her ult

Unless one of her potentials makes the 2nd part of her BS inflict Heat Infliction of course. Then maybe?

Thatd really be the only saving grace for Rossi in mono-phys

[main nova]

i meant... she is practically those fans right. Like how girl see their kpop artist

[warm galleon]

Pretty sure it's the 1.2 operators

[icy remnant]

Except this K-pop artist has dementia and we’re only told of their deeds instead of doing anything

[glass birch]

What about Mi fu and fangyi?

[warm galleon]

I'm trolling that 1.2 or 1.3 operators are the one that will make Rossi useful.

[glass birch]

Oh

[warm galleon]

I'm theorizing there it's not off-topic I swear!

[echo cove]

Nah, rossi's weapon will apply heat infliction, trust

[summer flicker]

tangtang will give a million dmg taken trust

hope that tangtang weapon is something useful

[echo cove]

Also atk%

[summer flicker]

55s rotation now, i bit of optimizing

[echo cove]

When apply infliction, gib whole team atk% buff, trust

[summer flicker]

[echo cove]

It gonna be termite gun

Thermite amuricaw 🦅

[warm galleon]

Back to original reply chain of p5p5.

[outer ermine]

[elder skiff]

hope that it isn’t so i can save arsenal and just spam velo on every gun supports

[dawn patrol]

heat infliction this utility that