theorycrafting

[open hare]

I should buy this battlepasa

[rare zodiac]

hi Miku tan 💗 haven't seen you in a while

[hollow wyvern]

if yvonne p4 then you don't need to run ER gear to begin with tho

[rare zodiac]

well it can be better if she have 15% cost reduce

she just have that 10 sp return

[open hare]

Theresa

[indigo pine]

1/3 rota

[hollow wyvern]

how much tt personal dmg are you including

[rich linden]

Not sure where to ask this but if ur done w building ur team, essence farming is the best way to spend ur resin right?

[rare zodiac]

we don't know yet?

[rich linden]

I mean sanity

[hollow wyvern]

oh wait the numbers are yvonne dmg only

[gritty olive]

i just farm a lot of essence rn

i recently boight pass with 2m lmd so i can do practically anything i want atm

[rich linden]

Yeaa i was thinking its good to stockpile

[gritty olive]

since i have choice paralysis i just decided to farm a lot of fodder

[indigo pine]

0, the numbers i did are for only evaluating the difference in buffs for the main dps, so then we can figure out "ok how much does tangtang need to do to be worth using"

does that make sense

[gritty olive]

problem is i have to manually select not to use a ticket everytime

[open hare]

Guys

[gritty olive]

unless i can just disable the ticket picking before i start farming em

[open hare]

I have 2000 excess sanity

What do I do

[hollow wyvern]

yeah I didn't see that it was just yvonne dmg

[indigo pine]

farm a ton of tcreds

[rich linden]

Farm essences

Dijiang is my chara exp farm

[summer flicker]

1 4 infliction, 6 battle skill prolly 60s cuz i bad placement stuff

i hate the energy edging without p1 of yvonne 😭

[normal tangle]

E is combo skill and C is battle skill, yeah?

odd letter choice so just confirming

[hollow wyvern]

wonder if it's worth it, to cast tt skill after her ult, during the ult period

[summer flicker]

i think i may save yvonne tangtang gilb

[hollow wyvern]

instead of dive ig

prob need to drop gilb tho

in case tt dmg is real good

[summer flicker]

i cast tangtang skill before ult kekw

[hollow wyvern]

triple whirlpool with full buffs

[normal tangle]

is it worth using 100sp to save 1 second

[summer flicker]

wait, why tf i do the opposite

im trolling

i should do ult first and then skill

maygipain

[hollow wyvern]

can dive inbetween yvonne ult basics and final too if you can get the timing

but I'm a bit sus on that

[potent hornet]

it stores your last hit for a while

[hollow wyvern]

even if yvonne ult duration ends? do you not lose cr or anything?

[summer flicker]

you lose your cr on the final hit of yvonne ult iirc

😭

[hollow wyvern]

if you delay it? or regardless

[potent hornet]

unsure if you keep the cr/cdmg for the final hit if you delay\

[summer flicker]

i plunge before yvonne ult

Despairge

all for the cyro stacks

[rare zodiac]

sacrifice all of soup2 cc for a stack

[hollow wyvern]

if by any chance, the 3 tt whirlpools from ult, last longer than her ult (you simply lose the ability to dive to trigger), then it should be possible to yvonne skill after yvonne ult to use up the nature, then tt skill for triple spout for app

[summer flicker]

i guess this is my final rotation for today

ima go gaming 😭

[gritty briar]

btw anyone notice the z7 team has combo callouts for eachother? Estella calls out "It's your turn Akekuri" during her second combo use here

some callouts that 99.9% of people will never hear because these team comps are dogshit

[hollow wyvern]

I can't wait for the panda and fangyi teamup thing

[gritty briar]

the amount of people who have heard catcher call out fluorite is probably the double digits

[rare zodiac]

i think it's less, they have zero synergy afterall

[signal sundial]

Perli/Chen also has callouts when you play the f2p twam

[proud vector]

Physical electric hybrid to work with endmin confirmed

It’s so over

[lime bear]

which one should I mastery first

and which skill

[peak void]

pog bs and ult m1, cheap and does a lot to smoothen out rotations

[lime bear]

only Pog? wht abt Endmin and others

[peak void]

i mean u only asked for the first

after that its just dmg increase
endmin and chen ultM3, lifeng bsM3

endmin and chen purely deal dmg, lifeng mastery increase phys susc

[valid zealot]

Is Tangtang & Rossi kit out.

[peak void]

kit yes numbers no

[normal tangle]

been out for days pal

[lime bear]

aight ty

[valid zealot]

Game so dead we cooking imaginary calcs now.

Did they also reveal new sets along with that.

[normal tangle]

no

[peak void]

revealed their existence, not effects or stats

[unreal light]

info from devlog stream

[tight haven]

we do not have numbers

[unreal light]

yeah

[tight haven]

nor info on potentials/dijiang skills

[unreal light]

yeah

[valid zealot]

Thank you hornymonster.

[dry kindle]

We have cn autism for tangtang suscept

[potent hornet]

.bestgirl

[crystal coral]

https://tenor.com/view/arknights-endfield-tangtang-wuling-jump-gif-5889053850376434839

[dry kindle]

https://b23.tv/7vPz2QO

[outer ermine]

[summer flicker]

.bestgirl

[crystal coral]

https://tenor.com/view/arknights-endfield-tangtang-wuling-jump-gif-5889053850376434839

[glass birch]

I need to sleep I meant talents.

we've got talents; just no numbers

[tight haven]

oh

yeah thats what i thought

[glass birch]

I wish we had the potentials

But then again; designing a team around P0 is probably a better idea

I'm still hoping to get my hands on Rossi to throw together the team i have in mind for her.

[normal tangle]

i wish we had a rich tcer so we can see p1 yvonne rotations

[glass birch]

Iana's guide shows a rotation for Yvonne. Pretty sure it's P1? Unless it says P0 on it

[warm galleon]

With perlica xaihi gilb p1 yvon gets her ult first before perlica with only one stack from xaihi

[tight haven]

i have her p1 but i refuse to spend the materials on her in my account

[normal tangle]

iana's rotation is cooked in general

she doesn't account for yvonne talents

[tight haven]

yeah new tech exists now

[normal tangle]

nah not even that

complete basics

[tight haven]

the yvonne section isnt accurate to current developments

what was it missing besides the new stuff

[normal tangle]

battle skill inflicts solidification, goes into a regular attack string

this happens for every battle skill

[glass birch]

Whats the new stuff?

[tight haven]

just general optimizations since her banners release and getting more tc eyes on her

the stuff you see that makes umbral speed clears possible

[normal tangle]

i brought it up to her too and got ignored so like

w/e

[tight haven]

ianas probably in my camp of irrationally hating yvonne because she fucking sucks to play

[summer flicker]

yvonne is good

[rare rover]

why are there only 2 reed rye spawn locations purposely limiting my nuke runs smh

[tight haven]

shes good but she feels dogshit to pilot ime

extremely hard punishes for errors all to accomplish comparable damage to much easier teams to use

[warm galleon]

You don't pilot her, why you think I'm hating her force swap ult

[summer flicker]

isnt bs into final strike tho

[normal tangle]

yes

her rotations don't account for that whatsoever

[summer flicker]

is there anything incorrect for this rot

i think i fixed afew

[normal tangle]

not just a one-off thing, the final strike combo triggers and interactions don't account for it either

her rotation's just fucked up and she doesn't care

[normal tangle]

i'm not sure you can stall final strike for that long

that's like what, 4s?

or is this the avy tech

[summer flicker]

it just more like waiting time

[normal tangle]

waiting time for what

[summer flicker]

you can see this part, you have to wait for sp and not final strike

you want to gilb skill xaihi -> yvonne skill -> final strike -> xaihi combo

[normal tangle]

oh

[glass birch]

Is there not enough SP here to put Solidify on target before the end of Yvonne's ult?

[potent hornet]

her combo skill should have it up

should have it up through the whole ult

[summer flicker]

yes

[summer flicker]

and you want a nature infliction

to loop the rot

because the rot start with gilb skill

its similar concept with iana rotation

[glass birch]

I was simply going off this on the chart I get whatcha meant

[outer ermine]

wtf bros ahead of the game, crit laev

[dawn patrol]

[warm galleon]

Mi is also int main stat so yah just transfer yvon gears to laev

[glass birch]

only 747 int tho

[outer ermine]

he has separate gear for yvonne w batk lol

[warm galleon]

Ahh ewww nvm not a batk mi set

[outer ermine]

[warm galleon]

Ewww no artifice too

Trash

TRASH

[outer ermine]

it is, checking friend op just doesnt show it

[warm galleon]

That's a really low int then, esp with one slab

[outer ermine]

i know that yvonne artif is maxed af 3/3 everything looks like

[warm galleon]

Nah that's not max yvon artifi

Actually lemme log

[glass birch]

Yeah the stats and everything is showing base no artifice

[dawn patrol]

p5 yvonne but no artifice, disgusting

[outer ermine]

oh yea true just checked gatekeeping whel stats

[dawn patrol]

[warm galleon]

Only thing I did not upgrade is the will stat on slab

[outer ermine]

so could be higher

time to run crit lr

[glass birch]

Cr LR with like no atk

[edgy elk]

Copge with 1.1 armor

[outer ermine]

new stat line on mi trusttt

[edgy elk]

Also could lr be swapping out tide surge set with tangtang’s rot

[warm galleon]

Just give me a int main stat slab

[summer flicker]

i wonder wtf set tangtang gonna use

[warm galleon]

I heard red slab is str main

[edgy elk]

LR slab

[summer flicker]

cuz you cant xiranite cuz gilb/xaihi can do that

[unreal light]

MI SLAB TT Believers

https://gif.fxtwitter.com/tweet_video/HBkUXyMXAAEevq-.gif

[outer ermine]

tide maybe

[warm galleon]

Yah if red slab is indeed str, this lr vs yvon watchers are on it again.

Tho gonna remove another kit for slab

[bold rose]

Endmin without sig is kinda ass right?

[bronze plume]

hello

[valid zealot]

Goodbye.

[bronze plume]

:(

[valid zealot]

watchuwant

[bronze plume]

to say hello smh

[valid zealot]

No thanks.

[bronze plume]

:(

[dawn patrol]

hi beef

[chilly bolt]

endmin without sig isnt a real unit

[bold rose]

well lucky me I did bought the sig then
what's the priority in pulls for the other sigs
I assume Lifeng need his first

Pog can use Thermite

how needed is Chen sig

[valid zealot]

Sundering is fine.

[bronze plume]

hello eva

[bold rose]

Sundering?
I thought Aspirant

[dawn patrol]

sundering is better especially if you have pots

[valid zealot]

According to iana Aspirant suckass.

[valid zealot]

I do.

Well his damage is p significant with sig.

Unless you Endmin is giga stacked he should take some dmg share.

[vale ice]

[tight haven]

you def can build lifeng like that

[twilit quail]

sundering is default unless you have multiple ascent dupe

aspirant is terrible

it can only be better if you completely fail to keep sundering stacked and do a weak rotation with less total dmg on purpose

[bold rose]

how much dmg loss is Yvonne on Navigation comparing to Artzy

[dawn patrol]

afaik p0 vs p0 it's around 15%

[twilit quail]

bit more

like 20%

[dawn patrol]

is p0 vs p0 wedge like 17-18% then

[twilit quail]

thereabouts

[unreal light]

aspi is good for damage per screenshots
sundering buffs all your kit

Also keep in mind, sundering stacks off Lifted, not off Lift

[twilit quail]

you know what's fucking funny

I saw a bunch of videos telling people to buy eminent repute

for endmin

to use with rossi

[unreal light]

hahahahahaha

I believe there were people on this server favouring eminent

[proud vector]

they see the ATK up

And go “yo that’s what thermite does bro yoooo”

Honestly? It’s not the most horrible looking thing on paper even, at P5 it’s 21% party wide buffs which looks great on paper

[dry kindle]

The worse the model the better the effect

[warm galleon]

They bricked their account so they want you to brick your's too!

🧱

[proud vector]

you just have an incredibly tight rotation now that you have to crush again within 20 seconds or the ATK buff drops out!

[twilit quail]

the evil swordmancer cd

and talent 1 duration

[trail umbra]

well well well

https://tenor.com/view/cat-meow-silly-cat-cat-explode-yellow-cat-gif-12654556298327310612

i was right

[unreal light]

we are not having lvl 90 gears in 1.1

[tribal magnet]

bruh it's been a month everyone knows it

[trail umbra]

would prob still be higher level than current gold gears

[unreal light]

nope

just new set versions, so some Rossi has mainstat MI for her playstyle

[gritty olive]

everyone knows what?

[lusty kernel]

Does the gameplay change when i use clannibal on wulf?

I have all bis weapons for my lava team

My lineup is lava wulf ard and gilberta

[lusty kernel]

Is this good?

[proud vector]

theoretically ok (as in characters do work together)

sp heavy as hell though

[near ether]

Alright, I finally achieved the levels, next up are promotions

Have people looked into Regional operator recruitting, as well as spaceship optional operator placement yet?
I purely did this for base skills only

[midnight stirrup]

#help

[near ether]

advanced game mechanics like number crunching.

isnt it number crunching to optimize stuff like da pan + yvonne for fungal growth, etc? (if i'm wrong i'll go to #help )

[dawn patrol]

it's allowed and i've seen some people do it

not many though

[gritty olive]

Lets wait for peter yr to do those calcs

[dry kindle]

mfw growth chamber

[civic wolf]

growth chamber is so ass and pointless cuz you're alreadys starved from resrouces to level chars in the first place LOL

[dry kindle]

[proud vector]

mfw poop water becomes power

so Xiranite is poop eating microbes..?

w e a r e w e a r i n g p o o p m i c r o o r g a n i s m s

[gritty olive]

[ashen scroll]

Its passive regen for resource , by the time you get the required resources you going to have the shroom, rock etc without actualy touch grass

[outer ermine]

whel

[chilly bolt]

https://www.bilibili.com/video/BV11zcbzGEoo/?share_source=copy_web&vd_source=3ba8ccc1aa9ce70ec8bedca2478c5146

interesting lvl2 corrosion rotation

[midnight stirrup]

Dijang is not advanced game mechanics

[midnight stirrup]

Just because it happens doesnt mean it belongs here

[dawn patrol]

#theorycrafting message

[midnight stirrup]

I fail to see what youre trying to point out with that

[gritty olive]

Tc only focuses on combat gameplay

[midnight stirrup]

Theorycrafting has a very specific use in gacha, and its not Dijang.

You dont need to be a theorycrafter to figure out optimal usage of Dijang, hence #help

[midnight stirrup]

Can you link the actual quote rather than screenshots

So I can get the full context

[dawn patrol]

#theorycrafting message

we got clarification yesterday

[midnight stirrup]

That still doesnt mention Dijang

[near ether]

Only bought monthly pass for sanity reasons outside of that is all ingame grind

Fine I'll do the base optimazing myself and share my findings

[gritty olive]

dijiang got base skill buffs

[dawn patrol]

"including base skill number crunching" i fail to see what else base skill could be referring to here

[gritty olive]

so it would fall under that then

its fair

[midnight stirrup]

Oh, thats refers to the passives

I thought it referred to combat

[dawn patrol]

[midnight stirrup]

Still silly for that to be allowed within a tc channel, but who am I to argue Skipper

[dawn patrol]

i'm just following the rules as well so

[vapid flame]

is eminent repute potentially worth on a Yvonne shatter team or nah?

[dawn patrol]

gv is better on endmin anyway

[midnight stirrup]

Yvonne shatter is a thing now?

[drifting quest]

Always has been

Its not good but its a thing

[vapid flame]

is shatter bad?

lol k

[drifting quest]

Shatter itself isnt

Or well

Ok

[drifting quest]

Shatter as a team really lacks vertical investment. It plateaus really early, earlier than other teams do, but then falls off relative to them equally as fast.

Then when you consider alternative teams like Yvonne Shatter, which are worse than baseline shatter, it just aggravates the issues shatter has more by playing worse, performing worse, being more expensive, etc.

Regardless of that the game is currently piss easy so you can use any team you want, but this is a theorycrafting channel not the help or teambuild channel so advice is skewed to optimal stuff not playable stuff

[dry kindle]

wheres the number crunching on what the fuck to do with stam discounts atp

💀

[dawn patrol]

hoarding time

[dry kindle]

im already just storing skill mats

[drifting quest]

Whatever you want to farm > any upgrades you are missing > paid bp converting to permanent stamina stockpile > fodder essences and/or stockpile other materials you are short on

[civic wolf]

finding it interesting that the dev log decided to drop Xaihi from premier Yvonne instead of dropping Alesh

[dry kindle]

fund my fangyi and mifu

[drifting quest]

Fund my tangtang and rossi

[civic wolf]

is ALehs' SP gen that much more important than Xaihi when you're running duo DPS Tang2 and Yvonne lol

[drifting quest]

Maybe

[civic wolf]

cuz im assuming like, Xaihi's thing only applies to one teammate right?

[drifting quest]

We lack full numbers so we dont know

[dry kindle]

fund my fuckin weapon pulls

[drifting quest]

Fund mine

I have 2500 for 2 sigs

[civic wolf]

no im just like, making guess rn based on what we actually know about our existing char

[drifting quest]

Current timelining xaihi is less likely to get dropped

Over gilb or alesh or just not running tangtang

[civic wolf]

Xaihi's skill and ult only buffs the controlled operator right?

or is it the entire team

[dawn patrol]

isn't xaihi ult an aoe

i don't play cryo so i'm not sure

[drifting quest]

Combo ult everyone

Skill just 1

[outer ermine]

2 if ur funni

[civic wolf]

but yeah ive been thinking that maybe Tangtang's personal damage competes with Yvonne or smth? that it might offer the posibility that dropping Xaihi instead of Alesh?

cuz of how part of Xaihi's thing only applies to one teammate

[bronze plume]

are you going to be going for everyone solely for tcing reasons?

[drifting quest]

Yes

If possible

I will have to skip some

[bronze plume]

clearly get someone to fund you

[drifting quest]

Its not feasible for me to whale for every unit, and I don't intend to spend what money I do have spare given how mid the packs are

So its prob 1 unit a patch for me at best

[bronze plume]

you going to go for tangtang or rossi?

[drifting quest]

Prob rossi atp

[bronze plume]

the mission to make her work

[drifting quest]

She's the 'worse' one but with much more teams to consider and stuff to make work

[bronze plume]

more time can be invested type shii

[drifting quest]

She has more feelscraft to her too

That helps to playtest

[bronze plume]

what actually is feelscraft

[drifting quest]

Anything on pure vibes not actual backed numbers or fact

[bronze plume]

ah

[unreal light]

you mean as for the guide writing

or as for the gameplay?

[drifting quest]

Yes

Both

[bronze plume]

basically theorizing without the numbers of it yet

[unreal light]

she comes with variety

[deep topaz]

my first ever essence upgrade
should I just start gelling now?
I only gelled once so far the first 5 to 6

[drifting quest]

Rossi has like double the theoretical amount of teams

Compared to tt

[bronze plume]

gel is only really worth it from 5 to 6

you can do 2 to 3 if you really want but

[bronze plume]

cant wait to see the arguements of what her actual best team will be

[deep topaz]

thats not what im even stuck on
I was trying 4 to 5 and build up 1k gel

[bronze plume]

OOOF

[drifting quest]

I struggle to imagine it not being arts dps stuff if the video is accurate

[bronze plume]

you failed 4 to 5 that fucking much?

[deep topaz]

yeah well I already have some gel from the other upgrades (other 1 to 6 and 1 to 2) but yeah this is my first and only essence to upgrade

[unreal light]

gel only 5 - 6

[deep topaz]

yeah thats what im doing but sitting on 1k gel gets harder to resist

[unreal light]

this is how your chances go

[unreal light]

there will be a lot of weapons, once you build up your whole team (and perchance build up other teams)

don't rush

[deep topaz]

you're right I'm probably just getting very unlucky now
if and I say IF I get lucky with other upgrades those gel stocks will get depleted eventually

[unreal light]

yeah

I also had thought that 1k gel is a lot

but when I started gelling my 5 - 6 on a second essence, the gel just disappeared lol

[deep topaz]

yeah, maybe I'll try a different method tomorrow instead of forcing the +4 I switch between doing the +2 skill and +4

[drifting quest]

1k gel isnt even 1 weapons worth of taps to max it easily

[deep topaz]

it is if we follow the rule of only gelling 5 to 6

[drifting quest]

if you're minmaxxing resources and dont care about time then yeah it's 100 excess

if you're just doing the quick taps then gelling the remainder to get a maxed essence asap its short

[deep topaz]

would you recommend this ?

[drifting quest]

not unless you're trying to test something day 1 asap

[deep topaz]

welp I'm already in this deep and there are no content to rush
might as well save

[unreal light]

perchance you want to brag about your rossi dps day one

then if you don't have enough essences, you gel it

basically

[summer flicker]

i havent began to farm my tangtang essence

[deep topaz]

Im not even pulling rossi based on the current info about her

[summer flicker]

dont know the 3 line tho

so have to stock of stamina to spend them on when rossi release

[unreal light]

we know only the assumptions

there wasn't any official info released

[drifting quest]

both the datamined ones ||are v4|| so i farmed both ahead of time just in case

[deep topaz]

dang lots are pulling for tangtang
me saving for Zhuang Fangyi all the way unless great supports for Lae gets released before her

[steady rock]

I have a question which rather belongs here so
What is stronger, when a supporter is giving your dps a 10% damage buff or if they apply a debuff to the enemy where they take 10% more damage because i am pretty sure that there is a difference

[dawn patrol]

it depends on what else you already have going on

[drifting quest]

assuming no other buffs or debuffs they are identical

[hasty grail]

whichever one you have less of is stronger (usually the debuff)

[dawn patrol]

if you already have a bunch of one then the other will be better

[drifting quest]

its not universal that having more of one makes the other better

but the more you have of one type of debuff/buff the more you need to gain in order to match a lower amount of another type of buff/debuff

buffs / debuffs of the same type are additive
buffs / debuffs of different types are multiplicative

maximising damage tends to involve accessing as many unique buff/debuffs as possible to access as many multiplicative zones as possible.
Exceptions exist where you can access a large amount of one type and the raw amount beats the opportunity cost of going into another zone, or when the unit gets specific additional advantage from one zone (e.g. Last Rite with Susceptibility)

[dawn patrol]

nuance in my tc

[icy remnant]

If we’re using Last Rite and Ardelia when exactly do people use Ardelias combo and skill?

[rare zodiac]

Do we even have sp to spare in LR team?

[outer ermine]

if u delay perlica and xai as late as possible

[proud vector]

ardelia for last right is speedkill stuff, or just absolutely jumping a boss during stagger man

you really don't have that much sp spare

any spare SP can already be dumped into just doing your rotation faster already, so outside of specific stagger timings its hard to fit ardelia skill in

[outer ermine]

like
ard cs
ard bs somewhere
2fs
perlica, xai cs; should just be when xai combo abt to end

[chilly bolt]

you gotta delay xaihi combo for the 4th stack

[outer ermine]

shits scuffed af

[icy remnant]

[steady rock]

I kinda thought for example in a yvonne team with alesh xaihi and gilberta whether fincatcher (cryo debuffed) or theremite cutter (dmg buff ally) would actually do more

[drifting quest]

thermite does

[steady rock]

Still thermite?

[drifting quest]

given you dont get to proc finchaser

[steady rock]

Wouldnt it work to for example use a xaihi gilberta alesh sequence, solidify and then use his ult for yvonne?

since it returns a cryo stack

[drifting quest]

you have to use alesh battle skill

which you really do not want to be doing

[summer flicker]

which consume cyro, which you lacks alot

😭

[unreal light]

but he applies solid

[drifting quest]

it's -100 sp (+10-45 back) and -1 to -4 stacks

[unreal light]

it's somewhat cashback for yvonne

[drifting quest]

it sets you back so much

[summer flicker]

but why you want to apply solid

[drifting quest]

less than just getting it from yvonne skill

😭

[unreal light]

true

[summer flicker]

you want yvonne to apply solid because it gives yvonne the ULT energy

😭

based on amount of stack consume

[drifting quest]

its basically the clannibal situation

[summer flicker]

it would be tommorrow if you let alesh consume solid

[drifting quest]

buff is bait, to get it you have to jump through hoops to get it and getting it sets you back more than you gain from it

without even considering uptime issues and buff windows

[summer flicker]

at least tang tang in yvonne team isnt ult bot

[drifting quest]

are you sure about that

[proud vector]

does he know?

[steady rock]

From what i figured, you can apply cryo with xaihi, then solidify with his skill, then gilberta combo triggers which applies lift, so it shatters then alesh combo is up and all

thats been my thesis

[summer flicker]

i know

but my end axis not loading bruh

[proud vector]

kek fair

[drifting quest]

this is -200 sp, -1 infliction, +12-25 sp generated, solidification that requires having an outlet to use it

[summer flicker]

[drifting quest]

for at best 15s of ~20% cryo damage taken

now you also have cryo damage taken from xaihi

and you then have to get yvonne ult up to buff it

[steady rock]

And in the making you trigger gear which also buffs damage overall too

[drifting quest]

are numbers for cooldowns and ult cost guesses or confirmed

[summer flicker]

cd seems to be 12s, 13s ult cost i just ignore it

no way she not gonna ult with a skill, 2 combo

[drifting quest]

thats 5 skill

2 combo

52.5 which is still short yeah but

[summer flicker]

6 skill, you miss one

[drifting quest]

maybe with uge% assumptions

59 then

[proud vector]

within the 100% threshold even if 100 cost

[steady rock]

Ypu have eternal xiranite and frontiers at least from that, alesh p3 is a (potential) dmg buff, the sequence would be moreso loading a lot of buffs into yvonne before she can be set off and with windows being potentially large enough

[summer flicker]

not 59, it seems each water sprout return 10 sp

[drifting quest]

oh yeah its less

[summer flicker]

and a max skill is 70 sp

[drifting quest]

marginally less

[summer flicker]

so like 52.5 + 4.55 = 57.05

[drifting quest]

but i was just more curious on the sources for the cooldown, return, etc

[summer flicker]

assume she doens have funny ult cost like yvonne then should be around80~100

[drifting quest]

90-100 or so was my own assessment

[summer flicker]

cd you can see from the showcaes, ppl count it as 12s, but endaxis has it as 13s so its aroudn that

[drifting quest]

12s combo which aligns a second behind

and then 15sp per spout so a bit more than they have it

hence why i was curious if they sourced their numbers in any way

[summer flicker]

end axis doesnt have the sp return thing, i see on live stream, the 3 water sprout skill return like 30sp

[noble tapir]

Oh we got tangtang numbers?

[summer flicker]

if not then the rot could wait 1-2s

[drifting quest]

no

[dawn patrol]

no

[summer flicker]

[noble tapir]

[summer flicker]

having it at 70sp COPIUM

[drifting quest]

did you manually input combo cd or is it 13s default

[summer flicker]

its 13 default from end axis

[drifting quest]

does it say where the 13 is from

or just give it

[next helm]

Can I get a link to that spreadsheet you made shuo?

[summer flicker]

it just give i t

[drifting quest]

which one

[summer flicker]

[next helm]

vibecrafting

I wanted to look at it but i forgor

[drifting quest]

https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/1jOnJftWIhqJn15G_ifXmgFNv1LVWyofyb9FDotLTtHs/edit?usp=sharing

[dry kindle]

why 💀

[drifting quest]

nothing else to do

channels the tism

it also gives me something to work with when numbers go live

[summer flicker]

endaxis assume its 100 cost

[drifting quest]

seems fair

no sources for it

[summer flicker]

wait, if you cast your skill

[drifting quest]

would have been nice if there was an nga post or something

that has math

[summer flicker]

is it 10 + 6.5 ult energy for yourself

or only 6.5

[drifting quest]

6.5

6.5 to whole team per 100 real sp

[summer flicker]

😭

198% to ult bruh

[drifting quest]

no xiranite access kinda ass

or no

maybe can still hold it

[proud vector]

[drifting quest]

just off piecing uge too

[summer flicker]

so its doable

[drifting quest]

yeah

[summer flicker]

surely its not 110 ult cost or sth clueless

[chilly bolt]

are we getting new xiranite pieces?

[drifting quest]

i think so

i think tide surge was the only one with nothing new

[summer flicker]

xaihi: 143%
gilb: 192% ( 😭 )
tangatng: 198%

the i lack ult energy comp

[chilly bolt]

just end the fight in 1 ult

[drifting quest]

are these higher values to account for sp return

at 10sp

[summer flicker]

should be so

im purely using the tool, and just increase the ult energy till the bar shine

[drifting quest]

can you check it at 15sp

[summer flicker]

15 per? so that 45 sp return ok let me check

at 55 sp cost, it dont lit other ppl ult

[drifting quest]

more for the uge req

[summer flicker]

146 for xaihi
196 for gilb
202 for tangtang

[drifting quest]

workable but not ideal i guess

[summer flicker]

yvonne ult should still be up

[proud vector]

painful for gilb and tangtang

but ulting fast is something very expensive for characters without inbuilt energy stuff

[drifting quest]

hard to minmax damage gear in for tangtang so i guess she gets xiranite duty

or well

no that should be fine

[summer flicker]

i mean, if you want tangtang to do more

you would have to extend the rotation

or new tech or sth

[drifting quest]

if you're slotting in a tangtang skill then ult isnt required every rot even

so you can halve the uge req

[proud vector]

^

you get the susc anyways

[summer flicker]

im using 1 4 inflcition 6 battle skill

[drifting quest]

it has

[summer flicker]

😭

[drifting quest]

infliction issue

yeah

[summer flicker]

ye that

would be ideal if i have 7bs

tangtang ult would just be a flex but that would make you wait for another sp somehow

[proud vector]

wait

did you add a dive attack to trigger tangtang early

[summer flicker]

ye the a4 is plunge

im just assume plunge time is like 1s

[proud vector]

wouldn't that reset the attack string

or am i bad

[summer flicker]

wait, the final strike suppose to before

ok me messing up with ult timing push the final strike to behind the plunge maygipain

ok fixed

[proud vector]

uhhh

[drifting quest]

welcome to tangtang timelines

the numbers better cook

[proud vector]

wait does dive reset attack string position

or not

[summer flicker]

she better doing some good dmg

[summer flicker]

yes

but i alr finsih attacking(final strike)

so why not

[vapid flame]

what tool/site is that?

[summer flicker]

end-axis.com

[proud vector]

but then how are you doing skill final strike combo

your string is reset back to n1

[summer flicker]

skill make you automatic

final strike

[proud vector]

oh thats cool

[summer flicker]

did you forgot yvonne kit

😭

[proud vector]

didn't know it did that

i don't have one haha

[summer flicker]

if yvonne didnt have that

i must be on some drugs doing fs skill fs

😭

[proud vector]

thats unironically pretty good a utility tbh

[summer flicker]

more sp

😭

[proud vector]

almost like pseudo sp gain

oh god i can imagine the greatsword kit already

[summer flicker]

im sad, i didnt even break marble

[proud vector]

diluc but using the skill skips you ahead in your normals

[summer flicker]

do yall create like

[proud vector]

would go hard af

[summer flicker]

boss specific rotation

[drifting quest]

somewhat

[summer flicker]

or just a general one like that

[proud vector]

2 bars vs 3 bars really

[drifting quest]

its usually pretty edge case stuff

[proud vector]

since thats like all our bosses

...hm

[drifting quest]

since trying to force stagger windows can just gut dpr more than just hitting it normally

differs per team per boss per yada yada

[summer flicker]

what

[proud vector]

i'm making the assumption that the stagger needed to get to a node is always the same on all bosses

[summer flicker]

i dont fricking stagger rhogan

that's ...

[proud vector]

this is an assumption, but is it true?

[summer flicker]

https://gif.fxtwitter.com/tweet_video/G-w_ppAbQAEgMNr.gif

[drifting quest]

stagger values are more consistent per unit

but i could see tt having higher stagger

[proud vector]

no i mean

on a boss stagger bar

[summer flicker]

my entire rot finish and not even stagger the punching bag

[proud vector]

i was assuming that one node = set set of stagger no matter what boss it is or lv it is

like universal flat value

[dawn patrol]

like do you mean whether the segments on every boss is the same amount?

[summer flicker]

i guess i over optimize, could use a final strike somewhere

[proud vector]

ye

realised i took that for granted i think

[summer flicker]

maybe 2-3 final strike to have the entire ult in the stagger

[proud vector]

now i gotta double check

[summer flicker]

[dawn patrol]

idt so

[proud vector]

assumptions make an ass of me

L

[dawn patrol]

wiki says marble has 320 stagger and rhodagn has 280 but rhodagn has 1 node while marble has 2

[summer flicker]

also sad that, xaihi det only buff like 3/4 of yvonne ult

😭

maybe not 3/4

[gritty olive]

ill try to make a mockup later

[summer flicker]

more like 1/2

[gritty olive]

[summer flicker]

maybe this is where chilvaric shines

wait does this buff if your char is full hp tho

[dawn patrol]

[drifting quest]

yes

[summer flicker]

ok i think det is now washed, i need chilvaric to buff my entire yvonne ult

😭

[proud vector]

[drifting quest]

why do you need to xaihi ult so early

[summer flicker]

want to have battle skill cover in ult too

i want my 4 stack battle skill to be chonky

[proud vector]

greedy greedy

[summer flicker]

[drifting quest]

i mean if you can manage it sure

[summer flicker]

i mean the ult covers like the whole yvonne ult

on paper at least

[drifting quest]

on paper being the key word

[proud vector]

its all buffered input wise but you better not dodge ever

:D

[summer flicker]

is there anti knockout food

[proud vector]

nope

[summer flicker]

i need the facetanking resistence food

[proud vector]

you want superarmor?
Snowshine

or i guess QoL tt ult

[summer flicker]

where my 4th cyro stack

😭

[proud vector]

but that nickel and dimes you an affliction

[summer flicker]

if tangtang dmg is very meaningful, then i guess you can do something like this

[proud vector]

triple combo

poggies

[summer flicker]

the rot is scuffed cuz i havent made it detailed

depends on like: if you want your ult to do dmg then 2 combos -> skill 1 combo -> ult

if you want your ult to have more sus for yvonne dmg then 1 combos -> skill 2 combos -> ult

4 could be possible

[drifting quest]

longing for the day tangtang timelines look normal

[proud vector]

tangtang maindps lines

[summer flicker]

i dontknow what to go for her dps

[drifting quest]

its just gilb 4 corro stuff

[summer flicker]

cuz she has 2 seperate burst window

[drifting quest]

tangtang xaihi gilb flex

[summer flicker]

i prefer ardelia

[drifting quest]

unless you mean dps tt in yvonne teams

[proud vector]

no no you want the nature infliction

[summer flicker]

cuz gilb would only buff like 1/2 of her burst window

[proud vector]

go do a big 4 stack corrosion naturally

[summer flicker]

oh you mean a corrosion, i guess doable

[proud vector]

then upkeep that with lv 1 corros

[drifting quest]

corrosion is perma uptime and then it depends on how her ult works

for if gilb ult can buff tt ult properly

best outlet for infliction stacks anyway

[proud vector]

that or zap it with perlica maybe

[summer flicker]

ye perlica is good too i guess

i wonder if the cd lines up tho cuz i never cook perlica

[drifting quest]

notably worse but exists

perlica has personal dps too

[proud vector]

just doesn't interact well with xaihi

and tangtang

[summer flicker]

[next helm]

And you can't 2x nature into Yvonne skill on second rotation onward?

[summer flicker]

you can do that

if you do that, you can save tangtang ult for qol for 2nd rot onward

if you dont do that, i think you can accelerate your 2nd rot a bit

[next helm]

Does her ult+dive apply cryo?

[summer flicker]

yes apply cryo

[next helm]

Til

[summer flicker]

so from 2nd rot you can gilb skill at the start of 2nd rot to have a extra infliction -> tangtang ult is flexible, you can use it for qol and not care about the cyro stacks

[next helm]

I assume TT ult+dive during stagger

[summer flicker]

ye i just ult tand insta dive after

to get the cyro stacsk

[open hare]

Laffey II

[oblique frost]

I kick Gilb out of Laev team bs useless and P10 Ardelia too good, sad combo with Rossi maybe at best

[oak vigil]

After some testing for Arclight DPS team, I feel like Arclight/Perlica/Akekuri/Antal is way better

Antal uses way less SP and also more consistent lvl 4 electrification (due to Antal applying 1 extra fire stack with his combo while saving up more from less usage of Akekuri’s bs for it) (also electrification amp and free susceptibility)

By all means, main dps battery, but holy shit Ardelia is eating through SP each cycle with how I used it (also strict timings for it too)

[drifting quest]

arclight perlica is an existing thing for umbral

dps arclight

gilb flex 3rd 4th usually

ake ard antal avy yada yada

[oak vigil]

Yeaaaaah

Also I might try next Arclight/Perlica/Snowshine/Antal after building the team variation described above fully

[unreal light]

Ahhh the never stagger team

[oak vigil]

When I get home I’ll record on how long it takes to stagger, it does take a long while looool

[unreal light]

Arclight does apply a surprising lot of stagger for electric unit

[oak vigil]

I am still really confused on when to use Akekuri’s ultimate for this

Do I just use it whenever available for SP regen or on stagger for link buff for ult damage?

I just only now realized I got used too much to ZZZ’s on stagger strategy, I might actually just start using ults (which are for damage) not only on stagger

(if it’s not clear enough, I in fact did not use Akekuri that much before looool)

[unreal light]

You don’t have much nukes to buff with link

I’d suggest you to link Perlica Ult

[drifting quest]

umbral monument akekuri stuff is usually for link on perlica ult on later waves in aoe content

so last umbral

not this one

[glass terrace]

Is it fine to use stock bills on T credits

While using sanity on protohedrons

After reaching endgame

To slowly build all units

[drifting quest]

yes

[glass terrace]

Ok thanks

[drifting quest]

you'll get more than enough excess stock bills over time

if you're minmaxxing you'd prio rotating resources first and spend excess

but it really doesnt matter that much

[glass terrace]

Kk

[chilly bolt]

for me sanity priority is essence>mats>hedron>protoset>tcred

[glass terrace]

Oh wait I meant protohedrons lol

[rich linden]

Cant wait for wuling bills income to double in next patch 🙏

Hopium

[glass terrace]

I haven't done anything for essence since I heard there will be multi engraving kit in 1.1

[rich linden]

I just farm those without tickets

[hardy shadow]

I'm hoping TangTang finds a place in a Last Rite team, might even just use her as the carry if not ideal since LR team already has a solid support setup

Last Rite is a nuke but I don't enjoy the playstyle

[rich linden]

Just to feel something when I finally get a piece I want

[glass terrace]

Oh lol

Tickets are pretty expensive too ngl

[rich linden]

Yea

[glass terrace]

Earning isn't enough to buy a lot of tickets per day

[drifting quest]

optimally it doesnt seem likely

if you're fine with non optimal stuff then yeah it works

same for tt hyper

[glass terrace]

At max yield

[rich linden]

But also u still have to farm like 200 to max the essences u want

Per

So u dont really even need the tickets

[glass terrace]

Oh didn't know that since haven't tried essence farming

Sanity permits are overpriced too

[dawn shard]

tbh that will probably be fairly limited in how many you get, and you generally get the stats you want long before you have the essences to max etching

[rich linden]

90% of sanity goes into essence farming late game

[craggy pond]

it only takes like 100 on avg

because the failed attempts go towards the final level

[rich linden]

Ehh those are from valley 4 so its chill

[dawn shard]

nah. tickets are basically the only thing you buy in v4 long term. and a maxed out v4 gives you like 4 mill ish a day

[rich linden]

True i was just guesstimating xd

[glass terrace]

I think levelling up all operators is better than getting to essence first, just my opinion

[craggy pond]

i totally forgot that i can just use the failed attempts from the same essence so i thought it was 200 too

[rich linden]

ALL?

[glass terrace]

Oh

[glass terrace]

All, it's still the start of the game so if you max all operators now. You can level up new operators easily without focusing on old ones

[craggy pond]

better in which sense, that's the question, getting supports past lvl 80 is almost certainly a waste of resources for nothing in return

[rich linden]

Dang

[glass terrace]

I said till lvl 80 , lvl 9 skills

[rich linden]

Im kinda taking it slow

[craggy pond]

it's much more efficient in comparison to farm for future essences which likely makes a higher impact

[rich linden]

Build 1 team per patch

[glass terrace]

Oh nvm I didn't say it

[rich linden]

1.0 for laeva, and 1.1 ill build avywenna team

[craggy pond]

well i mean that's what he meant, late game refers to post lvl 80

where you literally have nothing to farm for

[glass terrace]

True

[rich linden]

Fr

[craggy pond]

the best blind choice is always either essence or tcreds

can never go wrong

[rich linden]

True

[hardy shadow]

Yeah, probably won't be an optimal setup with LR. We'll likely be able to ungabunga the content for some time as long as everything is invested anyway. LR just feels clunky.

Tang/Xai/Perl/Ardelia could be a decent alternative but likely not as effective

[glass terrace]

I'm slower atm, haven't artificed gear since new variants might replace some of current ones too

[rich linden]

Tcreds are always lacking fr

[glass terrace]

True

[craggy pond]

i have like close to 4 mil now

because i didn't build a second team

[glass terrace]

I spend 1 mil per day currently, and I still have 2 6* operators to get to lvl 80 and lvl 9 skills

And all other 4/5* operators are untouched

[rich linden]

Im at 1m and built only 1 team 💀

Wadahail

[craggy pond]

have you bought tcreds from the stock bills shops

[glass terrace]

At least endgame is doable with unoptimised teams and unartificed gears

Else I would have maxed 1 team first

[drifting quest]

solo's and underinvested teams have been clearing for a while

which is nice

[glass terrace]

Yea

[glass terrace]

Also people who haven't reached endgame can claim endgame combat event rewards just by attempting them

[faint fiber]

What's the icicle thing?

[glass terrace]

That's really nice

[faint fiber]

"Ice shard"

[craggy pond]

there're 2 parts to her combo skill

you enclose them in ice

then break that ice

ice shard is the first part

though her combo skill actually has 3 parts iykyk

[midnight stirrup]

Its just her combo animation

Stuns pretty much everything until she breaks it

[rich linden]

valley 4 yea

wuling im struggling cus all my bills go into catalysts 💀

[jovial bridge]

Been theorycrafting Rossi in my head and want to see if it makes sense or if I'm crazy:

Team: Rossi, Wulfgard, Gilberta, Crusher/Breacher

Main rotation:
Gilberta succ, wait for succ to explode for nature infliction
-> Wuldgard likes explosions, so he throws a grenade for combustion
-> Combustion triggers Gilberta, flips everyone up
After people fall down, Gilberta starts second succ

The succ -> lift -> succ allows Rossi time to do a bunch of basic attacks, enough time for 2 final attacks for SP

When second succ explodes, enemy should have 1 vulnerable and 1 nature
-> Rossi does 2 part combo, enemy has 3 vulnerable and 0 arts infliction
-> Rossi does enhanced battle skill, bringing to 4 vulnerable and the claw mark debuff

This takes 300 SP for 4 stacks of vulnerable, which allows Crusher/Breacher to do their thing, or lead to ult sequence:

For ults (can be done at 4 vulnerable stacks to maximize Gilberta's ult buff)
Gilberta starts Ult to apply lift + nature infliction
-> Wulfgard throws grenade to trigger combustion
-> Wulfgard consumes combustion to amp arts damage
-> Wulfgard ult to apply combustion again
-> Rossi battle skill to apply clawmark thing
-> Rossi ult for maximum combustion + clawmark + Wulfgard + Gilberta amps

Is this overcomplicating it?

[drifting quest]

look pretty typical for rossi hybrid stuff if you want to play it

[jovial bridge]

I'm struggling to figure out what to do if Wulfgard's grenade/Gilberta's Lift is on cooldown, 19 seconds seems like a long time to wait

[drifting quest]

thats the neat thing!

you do nothing

gen sp, use sp to cope, etc

[chilly bolt]

you use wulf ult to reset his combo

[jovial bridge]

^ I forgot he has more Grenades after he sprays on everyone

[midnight stirrup]

19s is a long ass time in games like this

Just play a different team atp

[tight haven]

if rossi's damage is largely on her ult that sounds very difficult to build around

[chilly bolt]

Isnt that just easier to build around

Like any hypercarry team

[drifting quest]

if it's mostly on her ult it gets a lot easier to work with her

since she becomes a (worse at buffing, potentially better at dps) perlica

[tight haven]

thats kinda what i mean

if its mostly on her ult then shes pretty terribly bottlenecked

its gonna be hard to make her good at all lol

[drifting quest]

it's kinda worse if she's split evenly

[tight haven]

it probably is but i think that opens her up for the most experimentation

idk. her ult sounds like it really sucks so far if it's just a Big Nuke

its probably gonna lose to the likes of perlica like you said

[drifting quest]

its not like either are especially promising

playable not optimal

if her ult is cheap enough it's maybe copable subdps in a lot of teams

[frozen tide]

How long until perlica expires you guys think

[drifting quest]

probably never truly

[smoky quarry]

Why nobody uses gilberta in phys teams as it seams?

[frozen tide]

Just from forced ele?

[smoky quarry]

She has innate synergy with vulnurability

[frozen tide]

Cs trigger

Ult susc only being for arts

Half her kit does nothing on pure phys

People use her on shatter

[drifting quest]

how are you proccing her combo skill on physical teams

[frozen tide]

no cs no ult gilb just for cc

Cinema

[outer ermine]

just realized im almost hitting 1m w/o crit lmao

switched to det again cuz doing too much dmg w chiv

[frozen tide]

Are you doing rhod still

[outer ermine]

yea finishing it this week b4 tangtang atleast then im never fighting this mf again

got good luck few days ago w true crits but ard didnt follow thru, skipped a day and now im suffering for it today

[frozen tide]

Also wat this mean

[outer ermine]

critting w mirage or freeze + ard forces cutscene mid lr combo

its like +.6s

lol

[frozen tide]

Chiv does more than deto w setup?

Oh pre cast

[outer ermine]

yea overall

[frozen tide]

Makes sense

Are you doing the starry swap

[lyric latch]

Hope Chiv appear in the rotation for 1.1 or I get it while rolling for TT weapon since its in her banner

[outer ermine]

yeah

this is rn

i havent seen true crit w det yet tho

[frozen tide]

Yeah chiv could very well be better if deto int is not a factor due to starry ult

Tho my calc is saying with jakub deto would do more

🤔

[outer ermine]

on cs right

[frozen tide]

Chiv and deto give same percent

Diff type

So its fairly easy to see when excluding detos secondary att thingy

And just their third line effect percentage

Look at the atk percent to dmg taken percent ratio

Whichever one is lower the correlating buff will be better

[chilly bolt]

[smoky quarry]

I wonder why she has synergy with vulnurability and whole potential dedicated to it

[drifting quest]

flavour + her ult

she uses gravity arts

she lifts them

[smoky quarry]

Is it just me or all lavatein potentials are kind of insane?

[drifting quest]

then she gets value from it by buffing her ult based on vuln stacks

[smoky quarry]

especially last one against AoE

[drifting quest]

they're fine

a little below average even, you could argue

[smoky quarry]

those bonuses are fat

[smoky quarry]

What's her arts susc debuff percentage?

[chilly bolt]

Still better than lr p5 by a mile

[smoky quarry]

I've seen people talk about 75%, but it's 30% last time I checked

[drifting quest]

30% base at m1, +3%/+6% per vuln stack at p0/p2

42% max at p0, 52% max at p2

[smoky quarry]

where did people got 75% then 🤔

Or I just can't read

[frozen tide]

Do not talk to my bbg lr p3 like that

[chilly bolt]

1.2x mult on skill is so pathetic for a p5

Idk how useful is that 5sp

[frozen tide]

P5 increased sp return

Can actually make or break bps

With optimized btk cancels/swaps

[smoky quarry]

"When thermite tracers consume Combustion, recover 10 SP"

Why this talent even exists

like, yay, 10% sp cashback

[frozen tide]

Esp when you are running ard

Since she uses sp periodically

The 5 sp isn't amazing but adds up

Lr also synergize with sp return

For once

Im not sure if any other unit does

She gets ult charge regardless of sp being returned sp or not

[drifting quest]

prob last rite stuff

[chilly bolt]

I mean i dont think it's still a good enough improvement for a p5

[frozen tide]

What about lr is 75%?

[frozen tide]

Sure but im just saying its better than ppl give credit for

It does smth

[drifting quest]

gilb suscept

[frozen tide]

Atleast

[drifting quest]

post lr talent

at p2

it'll be like

late 60's

[frozen tide]

Gilb susc p2 max stack is 54

[drifting quest]

idk where the last 10 or so is coming from

[frozen tide]

X1.5

[drifting quest]

yes

is it 1.5

or 1.2

x

[frozen tide]

Would be 81

[frozen tide]

1.5 once max unlock

First node is 1.2

[drifting quest]

reading comp issue

doesnt line up either way

[smoky quarry]

Gilb and ardelia use same xiranite set?

[frozen tide]

No

Not usually atleast

[chilly bolt]

Not really same but they use xiranite set ye

Unless you use both in a team

[frozen tide]

81 75 close enuff ig

I do wonder if tang should replace ard/gilb or replace perli

Probably replace perli?

Since dmg taken is decently saturated and arts susc gets multiplied by ult

[outer ermine]

perli just so fuckin good tho

[frozen tide]

Lr ult multiplying susc makes susc even more valuable than usual

[smoky quarry]

Close enough

[glass birch]

If LR wants specifically Cryo suscept; does that include arts suscept though?

They're 2 different debuffs

[frozen tide]

It is inclusive

Lr ult multiples total effective cryo susc

[glass birch]

Doesnt play LR