theorycrafting

[drifting quest]

i dont expect it to be great

[leaden tartan]

I think the long game for Tangtang is allowing Gilberta to get out of ice, truthfully.

[unreal light]

then gilberta is of no usage

[icy remnant]

I don’t even have Gilberta anyways

[unreal light]

just electric

[leaden tartan]

Future Electric teams

[icy remnant]

Nah Gilberta is great

She always finds a reason to be used

It’s not the kind of unit you actually worry never being able to use

[river scroll]

Gilb on Rossi trust

[unreal light]

YASS

[icy remnant]

Why is Flourite greyed out

[unreal light]

https://tenor.com/view/arknights-endfield-tangtang-wuling-jump-gif-5889053850376434839

a new box

[chilly bolt]

she's a fraud

[unreal light]

when a new cell is written, it's greyed out for a fraction of time

[icy remnant]

But yea Last Rite, Xaihi, TangTang, Perlica/Akekuri
gonna be the first team I try out

Everyone keeps trying to use her w Yvonne

[proud vector]

What actually happens if you ult Yvonne and Laev at same time

[unreal light]

the most based and promising list

[proud vector]

Both force active yes?

[unreal light]

you can't ult at same time

[proud vector]

Ah it locks

[icy remnant]

Not how it works

[proud vector]

Boo

[icy remnant]

When you Ult with Laev you can swap out to another unit afterwards

[unreal light]

one is going to overwrite the other one, ig

[icy remnant]

It just forces the switch

[proud vector]

So if you Yvonne first

[icy remnant]

One thing I like to do is switch during the skill animation to do a finisher

[proud vector]

And ult Laev what happen

[leaden tartan]

I want to try Yvonne, Gilberta, Tangtang, Alesh actually. Probably the most flexible rotation and very high waterspout generation.

[icy remnant]

Almost there to a full limited team

[distant python]

no xaihi?

[icy remnant]

Just 1 more

[leaden tartan]

Trading Xaihi for more sp and free cryo infliction.

[distant python]

having no xaihi in cryo seems crippling

soup has sp return at least no?

[drifting quest]

sp return kinda fucks your rotation

sadly

its one of the principle issues of yvonne lastrite

[distant python]

i guess with the ult econ could be problematic

[drifting quest]

you do the rotation faster but then you have to extend the rotation beyond normal length to account for more ult energy

[proud vector]

resulting in a longer rotation in theory

Though it IS breakpoint dependant, so I don’t like simply assuming return will mess up rotations

The domino’s just fell badly for LR Yvonne

[drifting quest]

tangtang might not have as much of an issue due to it being 10-20 (likely 15 or so) per spout and the rotation might be somewhat light on spout generation

sort of thing we can consider a single er% gear piece to fix

potentially

[proud vector]

Exactly, it’s a pretty hard to pin down thing

[distant python]

numbers dependant

[proud vector]

Team dependant too

[leaden tartan]

Rather than faster rotations, just look at it as more tantang battle skills.

[proud vector]

Rotation dependant too

[unreal light]

We actually are also missing out on the amount of stagger TT brings to the team

[proud vector]

it really is quite a nuanced thing

[half cosmos]

i do wanna ask, what’s the current consensus on Tangtang in LR’s team prior to knowing the exact numbers

[proud vector]

Eh, workable?

Susc numbers decide a lot for the synergy

[drifting quest]

bossing? prob not worth it
aoe? good to patch up the weakness

[unreal light]

Sound and trimmable

[drifting quest]

everything trims though

so usable no matter what

[proud vector]

Not everything

[drifting quest]

ok well

every somewhat functioning team trims

if chen endmin perlica wulf can trim

[proud vector]

Most fully artificed fully mastery rotationally sound teams can yeah

[drifting quest]

then lr tangtang can trim

[unreal light]

One cannot trim the hair of their palms

[proud vector]

But if we remove full artificing and mastery then

Some teams get a lil dicey ngl

[hasty grail]

are you counting food or no food

with food I think a bunch of nonfunctional teams can trim even without any artifice or mastery

[proud vector]

Let’s say for sake of argument no stew meeting no buff food

At that level of investment you start to filter out some teams even if they are rotationally sound

[paper sand]

in a yv-tang-gilberta team, will gilberta's skill ever be used?

[half cosmos]

what would make Tangtang a dealbreaker for ST within LR’s current BiS team then? Who would get replaced

[leaden tartan]

Probably not.

TT doesn't want nature infliction.

[unreal light]

It might be used to apply a corrosion

We don’t know TT numbers to say whether you have extra SP or not in the rotation

[drifting quest]

overtuned damage numbers and/or more buffing than existing options
can drop any of the non xaihi slots

[proud vector]

Poison soup team

Use cyro from Tangtang to maintain a high level corrosion

[paper sand]

i was thinking if it was gonna be like, nature > solidify 1 stack > tangtang rotation > solidify 3 stacks, if the gilberta CC was ever gonna be needed

tangtang doesnt group enemies right? she just hits aoe?

[proud vector]

Yeahhh

[half cosmos]

so basically a buff/debuff check vs Ardelia/Perlica in ST

[proud vector]

No grouping as far as I can tell

[leaden tartan]

You don't always need grouping.

[half cosmos]

thank you

[unreal light]

It’s strange that water hurricane does not replace enemies in any way

[paper sand]

yep, was just a hypothetical where the grouping is needed

[drifting quest]

tt personal damage can compensate but because lr is so sp greedy to begin with you dont tend to want to be relocating sp to tt if you can help it, plus tt not giving energy to lr, etc

[proud vector]

Maybe there is a code trigger for abilities that can break red circle

And that’s tied to enemy displacement

So can’t remove one without the other

… nah that’s dumb even for speculation.

[leaden tartan]

When you put it that way, TT SP refund resulting in more efficient cryo infliction that funds Yvonne's ultimate makes a little more sense than LR.

[drifting quest]

sp refund gives no energy so you get less energy per skill for yvonne too

[leaden tartan]

SP refund gives no energy for the sp used

[drifting quest]

its just last rite gets 0 if tangtang skills, yvonne can get some to all (depending on refund)

[proud vector]

But at the very least Tangtang doesn’t compete with Yvonne for cyro stack consumption like LR

[leaden tartan]

Yvonne generates her ultimate based on infliction stacks primarily.

[drifting quest]

the 6.5 per skill matters too

its just possible that the overcap some yvonne rots currently have can be enough to match the losses per refund

waiting for numbers

[proud vector]

^

[leaden tartan]

Yvonne P1 only rotations would be a hillarious outcome.

[proud vector]

not impossible…

But then again not necessarily a dealbreaker

[drifting quest]

there's some consideration for off piece uge%

that might be higher total damage if tt damage is sufficient

[proud vector]

What, 4stack cyro 1 cycle ult?

I forgot the ER needed for that tbh

All I remember was it was too damn high

[leaden tartan]

Her ult is like a ridiculous 220 or something.

I forget.

+30 per infliction

[unreal light]

Yeah gotta work to fulfill that girl needs

[leaden tartan]

60% would probably do it.

[proud vector]

meanwhile LR is a strong independent striker who doesn’t need no caster

Arrrgh the wait for 1.1 is sucky

[leaden tartan]

How many protocol stashes you got filled up with Wuling goods?

Get on it.

[proud vector]

noe

[peak void]

none because im hate protocol stash

[gritty olive]

how would i do an yvonne rot since i dont have her

[leaden tartan]

Depends on who else you do have.

[proud vector]

Stashes are great but

can’t be assed

Factory is balanced already

[gritty olive]

i want to sim yvonne and i dont have her so im starting from nothing

[leaden tartan]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0BnJNeUP2oA try these then

[proud vector]

Estella….

[drifting quest]

the name

the war flashbacks

[proud vector]

That bad huh?

[paper sand]

what about their name

[chilly bolt]

war where

[leaden tartan]

The shatter war.

[proud vector]

the what

Shuo you can’t just drop juicy lore at 1am and not elaborate

[gritty olive]

goodshit

[proud vector]

[gritty olive]

[paper sand]

am i about to find out apel is a bad source

[drifting quest]

i havent watched the yvonne one but

[gritty olive]

yeah shuo tell me one

[drifting quest]

the videos people have posted in the past have been

[chilly bolt]

i watched yz's video

[gritty olive]

tell me a proper yvonne rotation, since im plannign to follow what iana has

[chilly bolt]

it's funny

[gritty olive]

until raizer gives me some input

[drifting quest]

iana's is mostly fine just misses like extra fs from yvonne talent iirc

[leaden tartan]

ppl don't know about the full ult% Alesh with fortmaker.

[smoky quarry]

this guy be collecting gacha guides like infinity stones

[proud vector]

Sounds painful to sac thermite though

[leaden tartan]

Not wrong.

[smoky quarry]

I wish you could convert useless 5-6 stars into tokens with 50% return

[leaden tartan]

Really gonna send Ardelia and Ember to the glue factory?

[proud vector]

huh

That looks strange to me

Is the shatter not benefitting from Grand Vision? It shouldn’t be this far behind a 4 vuln crush, surely?

119,695 vs 13,644

[leaden tartan]

Not physical, 1 stack.

Or, wait...

It is physical.

[proud vector]

It should be 920% mult for 4 vuln crush

349% mult for a lv 1 shatter
Both are reactions and should scale the same for all other multiplicative brackets pretty sure… they even both deal physical damage

Shatter should not be doing only 10% of the crush…. Unless there are buffs applying to the crush that aren’t applying to the shatter? Does crush fall under the grand vision buff window but not shatter?

This feels like a discrepancy… hmm

[leaden tartan]

It's for sure not getting grand vision. Which make sense, because the the shatter isn't tied to the consumption of vulnerability stacks on the battle skill like the crush is.

But there's something else too.

[proud vector]

Originium Crystal’s 20%?

hmm…

Assuming p0

[leaden tartan]

Arts intensity different benefit?

[proud vector]

57.6% and 20%

Arts intensity should be multiplicative so should affect both equally

[leaden tartan]

Is that what it says?

[proud vector]

At most, losing grand vision and originium crystals would lose you ~70% damage boost

[leaden tartan]

That still doesn't cover it.

[proud vector]

Even accounting for 1.7

Yeah it’s a fifth of crush still

[gritty olive]

so for yvonne how does her ult work

[proud vector]

it doesn’t account for the difference

[gritty olive]

"each batk sequence" so two normal n5 strings gives her max stacks?

[drifting quest]

75 shots at 20% (1500%)
300% powered hit
600% more if solidified

[chilly bolt]

btw her last shot is a final strike

which can be buffed with lr p1

[drifting quest]

2400% total at all conditionals iirc

[proud vector]

Yeah that shatter is doing 332.7% less than it should…?

[drifting quest]

less than it should how

[gritty olive]

weirdchamp

from how this is worded, it seems that the extra dmg scaling only comes from the final strike?

[proud vector]

Re: this

[drifting quest]

what extra damage scaling

[proud vector]

Considering both are reactions and crush is 920% and lv 1 shatter is 349%

[gritty olive]

so how many shots per normal

[proud vector]

The damage difference observed is way too high

[drifting quest]

75 normal shots each dealing 20%

[leaden tartan]

Maybe shatter really does take into account the arts intensity of the cryo applier and we were lied to all along.

[proud vector]

Unlikely… one would think this was tested

[gritty olive]

after ten of those small 10%, she gets 30 cr + 60 cd correct?

[drifting quest]

yes

[gritty olive]

should i just disregard the first three shots needing to ramp up and just include that they get 30cr and 60cd for convenience

[proud vector]

No you should Monte Carlo sim it

[drifting quest]

real and true

[gritty olive]

[drifting quest]

Just split it up

[proud vector]

Joking aside since the normal attacks are so rapid and not too big of the damage share, eh, just do it the easy way

It’s nicer to underestimate rather than overestimate though so

[gritty briar]

wtf

[drifting quest]

There's also like

[proud vector]

Yeah idk either

[gritty olive]

no like since the first ten hits are insignificant anyways, i should just make them have 30cr + 60cd as well

[drifting quest]

The cases where you whiff yvonne ult on purpose

Same as speedruns

[gritty briar]

i doubt this makes the difference but the endmin is max level right?

[proud vector]

I was just watching the Yvonne vid, came across this, and was like “wtf”

[gritty olive]

since its 20% scaling only you know

[proud vector]

Endmin is the one triggering both..? Unless you mean there is a level range where this matters

[gritty briar]

cause i think shatter has more level scaling than crush does cause it's technically still an arts reaction

[proud vector]

But the discrepancy is so large that won’t do it

[drifting quest]

Disclaimer it properly I guess and its fine

[gritty briar]

yeah i think it would only account for like a 2% difference if you were at 80 so it wouldn't change it that much

[proud vector]

The sheer size of the discrepancy is what’s wild to me

[gritty olive]

too much 5050 hits

thats why we go for the dreaded "average crit multiplier"

[proud vector]

It’s larger than what even missing grand vision and originium crystal buffs would produce

332.7% of missing mult would be needed

so something is systematically wrong with our assumptions somewhere

(This screenshot was from Apel Yvonne team rotation vid a bit back, on the Alesh Estella team)

[noble tapir]

Yvonne’s attack stat being so low is just because of her crit investment right?

[leaden tartan]

Yeah.

[gritty olive]

but then it just sets a pretty bad precedent imo(read yanqing from hsr)

like later down the line people will have all the stats for fun

[proud vector]

Fck it’s almost 2am and I’m considering booting up the game

Grrrr

[gritty olive]

current philosophy is "have this but we take something from you aight"
but later we will get wangsadel so you just wait

[leaden tartan]

It's not like 4600 attack is all that low.

[noble tapir]

Don’t think that’s necessarily a fair comparison given it’s a hoyoverse character and not a gryphline character

[chilly bolt]

it's because no atk% from weapon

her attribute bonus is actually not low

[noble tapir]

Yeah, I figured as much

[leaden tartan]

Also external buffs.

[chilly bolt]

no way we get the wangsadel treatment

[gritty olive]

the point im making here is that to give someone a lot of something or to introduce a new mechanic, there would be some compensation(less base, less scalings, more rampup, etc)
but i guess currently for yvonne, she doesnt have the atk from her sig that forgeborn currently gives so she feels that she has less attack lol

[noble tapir]

Right now my Yvonne is 1500 atk behind my laev. Laev has 6/6/3 essence vs 4/6/3 and Yvonne is 80/90 weapon, but otherwise they’re the same investment, but given Yvonne will crit a lot it should make up a lot of the difference in terms of raw numbers in isolation

[gritty olive]

hmm how much cr + cd can madame yvonne potentially have with your current state?

[chilly bolt]

crazy pose but ye atk% from weapon is just that big of a jump

[tight haven]

if you click on your atk stat you will see how big of a boost it is for laev

[gritty olive]

i think thats an overrepresentation

we dont have atk% sources from gear, which makes 10% buffs be very very relevant

[leaden tartan]

Slab kinda.

[noble tapir]

On ult I’ll have 73% crit rate and 110 cdmg if I’m not missing anything

[tight haven]

you will however be able to see how much of the atk boost from the mi sec set bonus applies when you trigger it in battle and then go to your operator stats screen

[gritty olive]

youll get an average 1.81 crit multiplier during ult

[tight haven]

the "atk bonus" here is from thermite

[boreal siren]

One message removed from a suspended account.

[proud vector]

Own testing with a 3vuln crush and Alesh applied lv1 solidification

The shatter numbers look correct and are seemingly benefitting from grand vision

[noble tapir]

Ahh ye you’re right

[gritty olive]

unlike something like genshin or hsr, we have atk% sands/cup and atk% boots/orb/rope
since theres two portions of atk buffing in this game, the atk% from forgeborn is greatly amplified
so yeah imo tis fine to "overrate" atk being very good because of how the atk formula works here

[proud vector]

But how tf did the Yvonne video one do so little?!

[gaunt mason]

are you sure you're not just reading the numbers wrong

[tight haven]

yeah

[gaunt mason]

it looks like 43644 in the vid

[tight haven]

that 322 is all just the atk% line

[noble tapir]

Yeah

[proud vector]

Oh

Derp

[tight haven]

thats why laevs atk always looks so inflated in comparison to anyone rlse without an atk% line

but that uh

[proud vector]

well that solved that

Thank you kind stranger

I’m am vision 2am issue, I am gonna go to bed now, the extra crush damage from Yvonne clip is 20% lost from me not being good on mobile and letting originium crystals run out

[tight haven]

yvonne does outdps laev in a number of scenarios

theres not much more to say there, she just does because of stage mechanics

[noble tapir]

Pretty normal, anyway

[tight haven]

yeah laev is a sustained dps

over a sufficiently long timeline yvonne will just lose

triagg for example i think is a good comparison

if a stage doesnt allow yvonne to land her big hits she also just loses

but in any case theyre not strictly better/worse when the game is this easy anyway

[drifting quest]

dps vs dpS

[gritty briar]

okay so the difference between 4 vuln crush and 1 shatter is that crush is 2.63x higher mult so increasing it by that to cancel out the difference is 35883
if it's missing the 20% dmg taken from originium crystals, having it would make it 43060
Crush is still 2.78x higher than that.
Idk what could be missing. that makes crush 2.78x stronger than expected

[drifting quest]

damage per second vs damage per Screenshot

[proud vector]

Yeah sorry I in my 2am eye state saw 13644

It looks like on further looking

To be 43644 lol

[leaden tartan]

Yvonne gets 60% crit damage from ult, 40% from passive, and base 50. .73*1.5+1 = 2.095 assuming all stacks are up.

[gritty briar]

oh lmao

[proud vector]

…. My bad lmfao

[gritty briar]

well mystery solved

[proud vector]

Pretty much

Gn

[noble tapir]

Did they say if tangtang has sp generation in her kit anywhere? I forget

[proud vector]

Zero

[tight haven]

no

[proud vector]

She has sp return

[tight haven]

only sp RETURN

yeah

[proud vector]

Estimated 15 sp per whirlpool activated returned

[noble tapir]

Still something I suppose

[proud vector]

Good thing is I guess this confirms behaviour of endmin crushing a solidify

The originium crystals 20% don’t seem to apply to the shatter (likely consumed by the crush at the same timing shatter activates) but grand vision does

if only poor Estella had a grand vision too

Her sig weapon is sadness

[gritty briar]

grand vision as a will spear would be godly for estella

she kinda struggles to get any meaningful arts int on gear without just destroying her build too

look at how many arts int pieces there are that would match her stats or set...

[drifting quest]

Datamine has a ||Construction themed spear (Detonation Unit, Former Finery, Thermite Cutter, Wedge) that might release in 1.1. Unlikely since I expect they would have showcased any additional weapons in the video but there's a chance.|| Might be relevant for Shatter

[leaden tartan]

Those weapons don't really share anything other than a visual style so there's not much to be drawn.

[runic axle]

hot take this game is a sequel to arknights

[drifting quest]

there's vague theming

[smoky quarry]

Lore-wise, they are made by the same company

[gritty briar]

there isn't any trend for their stats or passive though so we can't really predict much for what a new one would be like

[gaunt mason]

endmin t1 does apply to shatter

[smoky quarry]

I've found liquid that is hotter than this take

[gritty olive]

dps vs dpss

[smoky quarry]

What's the point of eminent repute? It's kind of budget endmin signature, but we have one already almost for free?

[chilly bolt]

some weapons just exist

like white nova

[smoky quarry]

I mean, white nova is ultra budget version of umbral torch

[gritty olive]

tbf hypothetically when does sustained damage lose over brust and vice versa sjnce i can only think of bosses that move a lot and has a good stagger window to be advantageous to lets say yvon

[proud vector]

I’ll take a deto unit or thermite cutter for spear tbh

[drifting quest]

semi generic budget choice

[smoky quarry]

(just rework it duh, it should be bis for arclight)

[proud vector]

Just please don’t be like the construction greatsword

[drifting quest]

for most phys sword units

[proud vector]

[smoky quarry]

You have to consume vuln tokens to activate its skill

also it has same effect as endmin p2

[tight haven]

i think its a "do you have hands" thing most of the time

[smoky quarry]

which is funky

[tight haven]

like a bad laev is infinitely fucking better than a bad yvonne

a good yvonne is only nominally better than a good laev in most applicable scenarios

[chilly bolt]

ye ngl bosses rn tend to favor bursty units

[smoky quarry]

Antal or Ardelia for boss trim in laev team?

[tight haven]

laev has so much in her kit that corrects for player error

[tight haven]

antal

you drop akekuri

not arde

[chilly bolt]

akekuri also work

[smoky quarry]

But that would mean losing link

and heat gen

[tight haven]

which is fine

you just have to play smarter

[drifting quest]

depends on boss

[smoky quarry]

I've seen adhd speedrunner party that involves gilberta and antal

[tight haven]

but if you seriously dont want to then yes you can drop arde

[gritty olive]

you have good enough infliction to the point where iirc you can drop tidefall flr actual HW armor

since you can do more combos

[drifting quest]

also depends on gearing

hw laev loses more than charge laev to drop ake

[tight haven]

yeah fair nuance to point out

most of the time if youre playing well then arde is the correct drop but if you make a lot of mistakes during a fight then runs with arde will generally be smoother

if youre only looking for a trim

[drifting quest]

yeah

[tight haven]

dropping either can absolutely lead to a trim

though

[drifting quest]

ton of nuance to it

[tight haven]

the gilb antal comps are like

schizophrenic speedrunning builds

[smoky quarry]

Do you think people will drop akekuri immediately if we'll get good arts link?

[drifting quest]

no

[tight haven]

not necessarily

[drifting quest]

link is less of a factor for akekuri in laev teams than in say electric teams

[tight haven]

link is only one utility ake has

thermite access, sp gen, hest infliction when combust is up

[drifting quest]

sp, heat infliction, attack buffs

[tight haven]

yeah

[proud vector]

Thermite access is a pretty good one all things considered

[tight haven]

she combines a lot of good stuff

[smoky quarry]

Third link might be sp gen again

[tight haven]

link makes the most sense to give to vanguards/supporters yeah

lifeng gives link because uhh

he also wants to consume it

[proud vector]

Lifeng

[tight haven]

i guess

[noble tapir]

Can this game just give me like 5 thermites? Thanks

[proud vector]

he’s just him

[tight haven]

he is just him

thats true

[noble tapir]

Hopefully Thermite is on the tt weapon banner, and I don't get super lucky like I did with Gilberta's weapon

[smoky quarry]

If there's nothing good on weekly refresh again, I'll probably stard dumping tokens into kraven

[drifting quest]

Waiting for 1.1 datamine

[proud vector]

^

[drifting quest]

It is

[neat snow]

Do you really need to change your comp from Laev standard to trim? I feel if you aren't trimming there is a bigger problem tbh

[noble tapir]

God fucking bless

[drifting quest]

The rest is mid

[noble tapir]

I mean how many useful non-sig 6* weapons even are there?

deto, thermite, valiant I guess?

[chilly bolt]

Not really, it depends on the player, i find akekuri is easier to play with

[noble tapir]

I guess the 5* unit sigs are in there too

[drifting quest]

clannibal wedge chiv thermite sundered jet

is tangtangs

rascent repute wedge ff deto valiant

for rossi

[noble tapir]

I guess Chiv is ok for Xaihi too

Though I think deto is probably just better for her atp

[tight haven]

CLANNIBAL!!!

CLANNIBAL!!!

CLANNIBAL!!!

[drifting quest]

there's situationally useful weapons (wedge, chiv, jet)
there's the kinda just downgrades in some way (clannibal, sundered)

then thermite

rossi's is kinda

[tight haven]

im going fucking crazy

[drifting quest]

yeah there aint much redeemable

get 3 copies of rascent for a chen upgrade i guess

[noble tapir]

Valiant's ok if you don't want to pull Lifeng sig no?

[tight haven]

deto and rascent are nice pickups

idk if im gonna p5 either of their weaps tho

maybe theyre just ass

[tight haven]

yeah

its really not that much worse than sig before p2

p2 it starts looking bad

p3 it gets really bad

[drifting quest]

valiant is just

really lacking future proofing

[proud vector]

eh

[tight haven]

it is very very good for low-effort phys comps though

[noble tapir]

Yeah, but I don't want to invest a billion pulls on to a Lifeng weapon

[tight haven]

lifeng will be on xira, spamming ult, triggering talent

[drifting quest]

i mean yeah currently it's a lot cheaper than mb

and not that much worse at low cost

[tight haven]

yea im really just telling you

the gap at p3 is huge

but its nothing to worry about

your lifeng doesnt get worse, only means that he can get a lot better at that point

should you ever choose to invest

[noble tapir]

I'm not super big into massive vertical investment in gachas. I feel like it removes some of the challenge from the game, not that this game is particularly hard to begin with

[drifting quest]

yeah i mean

the second you stop caring about minmax vertical investment stuff like

you can do anythign

game is not hard at all you can run the most jank thing going and clear

which a lot of people seem to misunderstand about the tc channel

[proud vector]

catcher solo guy is like litmus test of this lol

[wispy shuttle]

just to sate my curiosity, do we have numbers on valiant vs mountain differences at p2 and p3?

[noble tapir]

I mostly mean premium dupes, I'll still invest vertically within a team, just probably not past p0

[twilit quail]

the only problem with mountainbearer

is that the offbanners

are stinking ass

[tight haven]

i dont have the calcs on hand no

[twilit quail]

theyre so fucking bad

[tight haven]

dont feel comfortable just giving you numbers from memory

i remember at p5 the diff was 40%+

as a certainty

[twilit quail]

it's not that much the 336% multiplier is still not fuckin around

[tight haven]

oh well shit

goes to show why i said not to tell you anything from memory lol

is that p5 mb vs p5 val

[twilit quail]

at 5+5 it's like

how to put it

you should be pressing his button as much as you can anyway

[tight haven]

when i hit p5 on feng im gonna do that funny lifeng hyper comp i was thinking of with da pan

hoping we get an agi slab in 1.1 so i dont have to stress on gear choices

[drifting quest]

40% was the extreme case of using p0p0 rots

just replacing weapons

iirc

if you mean that one chinese sheet

[tight haven]

that might be it

[noble tapir]

I have p2 val currently, picked it from the selector (RIP me man), and got 2 from laev sig banner iirc

[unreal light]

Remember, it took genshin 7 patches until they began introducing a content, you can’t beat without somewhat synergic teams

[drifting quest]

it was sooner than that no

1.2 was the earliest i remember drama for it

ganyu xiao tao back to back

[unreal light]

1.5 was beatable by phys teams

[tight haven]

9 months for content

[drifting quest]

it might not have been as much of a problem before that

[noble tapir]

I didn't play genshin so I have no idea

[unreal light]

Like by those who are not supposed to be phys

But you’re running them phys cause you don’t have other choice

[drifting quest]

but i definitely remember drama regarding the abyss stuff for ganyu xiao (keqing) tao

[unreal light]

[drifting quest]

banners

it was also like

pre zhongli buff stuff

[unreal light]

Bro remembers the keqing banner

[drifting quest]

tarantula didnt have international yet because people didnt know the sauce

i remember the 'best' comp for him was like

fischl ec

om

[unreal light]

She was on his banner alongside diona hahaha

So that you may have played taser tartaglia or freeze tartaglia

I believe Rosaria had appeared in his banner aswell

[drifting quest]

i remember the kaeya tartaglia teams

rosaria was rerun banner

iirc

[unreal light]

To double down on the freeze ideas

[drifting quest]

with eula

but internat was a thing by then

[unreal light]

There also was a robot sitting at 12th floor

[drifting quest]

eula wasnt even 1.4

i always get that wrong

[unreal light]

I think the challenging content appeared alongside with 2.0

When Kazuha overtook all the teams

[drifting quest]

1.6 > 2.0 was a decent gap

[unreal light]

And Ayaka was finally released, and powercrept hu Tao

[drifting quest]

2.0 > 2.1 was the brutal one iirc

[unreal light]

They also had added inazuma enemies in abyss

And infused them with some elements

[drifting quest]

i remember the uh

samurai enemies that heal

were annoying fodder

[unreal light]

There was a three nobushi three fatui agents floor

[drifting quest]

maguu kenki as well

[unreal light]

Yeah and kenkis

That forced people to learn dodge

[drifting quest]

i think 2.0 had ruin hunter as well

forcing bow units for slower teams

yoimiya shill but she sucked into it

[rare zodiac]

Kenkis is fun, shit get more annoying after that

[unreal light]

Kenki was a barrier for newbies

[rare zodiac]

Flying unit, earth worm that stay like 30s underground

[unreal light]

Like a stonewall to learn game mechanics

[drifting quest]

oh yeah this was the one

i malded hard on this one

2.2

[unreal light]

When were the three fatui agents infused with pyro?

[drifting quest]

let me see

[rare zodiac]

I was playing until my Razor can’t no longer keep up with the bullshit they put in

[unreal light]

was that mechanical array or what boss, I can’t remember

[drifting quest]

1.6 was lectors that one sucked harder actually

[unreal light]

They had actually buffed razor with the release of dendro

There was some wild razor stuff with Bennet, dendro and xinqiu

[rare zodiac]

The soup Razor

[unreal light]

Wait is that why your nickname is raizer?

[rare zodiac]

Full EM Razor Bennett Nahida Xingqiu

Nah that just a coincidence, i play him because he is named like me

[unreal light]

Hahahaha

I hope this game would also allow fun builds at some point

[rare zodiac]

But I can’t used that team because Bennett and Xingqiu was on my Kazuha soup

[unreal light]

Right now they all seem too straightforward

Build dps do dps stuff blah blah

[rare zodiac]

The c6 Kazuha em em crit with pyro BA and elemental random bullshit go

[unreal light]

These are my beauties

The infamous 1k em xiao

[drifting quest]

1.5 - electro lector / pryo agent + 2 cicin mages, 1 of each element
1.6 - Electro lector + pryo abyss + hydro abyss mage / Hydro lector + pyro abyss mage + cryo abyss mage
2.0 - kenki c2
ruin hunter + trash / ruin guard + trash c3
2.1 - double pyro agents / double pyro geovishaps
split into 2 waves
2.2 - kenki / cicin + mirror maiden c2
hunter + guard / guard + grader c3
2.3 - triple kenki c2
rifthound stuff c3
2.4 - pma / pyro lector c1
primo vishap / hydro lector c2
guard + grader / kenki c3

was the triple fatui not a f12

i remember the stage you're talking about i swear

[unreal light]

It was f12-1 if I remember it correctly

[drifting quest]

maybe i missed it

[rare zodiac]

I just noticed but isn’t this off topic the ban hammer incoming

[unreal light]

It def was some inazuma

[dawn patrol]

hi chat

[drifting quest]

surely not a f11

2.2

2.2 f12-1 second wave

but they didnt have the pyro aura

so maybe not

that one

or memory is just cooked

[unreal light]

2.6 f11-3

But it feels like there was another one

I don’t really remember them at Chamber 3

[smoky quarry]

Is it better to start Laeva ult while having 4 stacks vs having 0?

[drifting quest]

both have use cases

[smoky quarry]

Can you describe those? I imagine that popping enhanced battle skill with link (or/and gilb ult) is a good starter

[chilly bolt]

Well

I just use ult off cooldown

There's not much things to think about unless you're running gil with her

[smoky quarry]

Gotta lineup buff windows yaknow

[chilly bolt]

Ardelia window is 30s

[drifting quest]

if you're at the end of a hp bar before phase change, for example, you might want to be saving ult for the next phase and hence are fine wasting energy to prestack mf for ult

would be the main case

[smoky quarry]

I had to do it

[drifting quest]

offtopic

what're they gonna do

help ban me for a few mins of offtopic but not the nsfw, misinfo, etc

in the channel with historically more lax rulings due to the environment

while i otherwise use the channel properly

[potent hornet]

did you use to ask the teacher if the class had any homework right before the class was let out?

[smoky quarry]

I think we can settle on the fact that we need chat for actual gameplay discussion

Cause people in #endfield seemingly larping

[drifting quest]

mods just need to decide if this channel is for tc only or a more lax environment

[smoky quarry]

It's actually concerning that we can't talk normally in the seemingly fitting chat

[drifting quest]

if its the former then enforce everything equally

if its the latter then why were there help bans and warns

[smoky quarry]

It's the only chat where I can discuss things like rewards, gear, parties and get answer from someone who actually plays the game

If I'll get help ban, well, time for another alt account

[drifting quest]

most genuine tc'ers have quit the space (be it here, other public servers, other social media) for private groups to begin with

so you're stuck with the rest of us still here

[smoky quarry]

You are good people too

[potent hornet]

i agree with you Fox, its just a weird hill to die on from my perspective

if the other people wanted to be here after a ban they would just make an alt act

[smoky quarry]

My stance is that, as long as everyone is satisfied with discussion, mods shoudn't intervene

[drifting quest]

that was the typical stance

[smoky quarry]

At least they remember about this chat like once in a week, just make sure to not ping them accidentally

[drifting quest]

morbika is back now and the other people dont want to come back so its w/e i guess

[smoky quarry]

Do not ruminate on this fleeting failure - the campaign is long, and victory will come.

[lean pawn]

Some drama lama happened here?

[smoky quarry]

nope, just circlejerk

[drifting quest]

sort of drama

sort of not

[lean pawn]

I feel the off topic convo can be allowed if yall still gonna help the other peeps coming by and not ignore them

[wind nebula]

Yeah, it's hard to keep eyes on a chat that isn't moving. There would be less people around to discuss things if some light off topic wasn't allowed

[valid palm]

I don't mind it being TC only, my bigger issue is that it seems like non-combat TC is counted as TC 50% of the time and counted as off-topic 50% of the time

[pure spoke]

TANGTANG WHEN

i contribute to off topic

[lean pawn]

Tang in 8 days or simething

[smoky quarry]

Together, we are help ban 🗣️ 🔥

[valid palm]

plus, they are really inconsistent about brief sidebars related to the TC discussion - sometimes they're allowed naturally, other times they immediately snipe

[drifting quest]

tldr is some theorycrafters + non theorycrafters got help banned banned for offtopic
as a result (I) was being strict on the rules as a joke. Mods weren't answering modmails and there weren't similar help bans for other people going offtopic, other people doing NSFW conversations and the like or for other people spreading misinfo which caused sentiment to fall.

But now all the people I talk to either are done and not coming back or got their help ban revoked so I stopped caring to repeatedly bring up rule violations.

[smoky quarry]

Mostly they lash out on off-topic images, cause lashing out on text would require reading text and analyzing it

[drifting quest]

There's a chance I get retroactively banned for this and if I do I know I don't intend to try appeal I'll just stick to private communities and other servers

[pure spoke]

whats help ban?

[smoky quarry]

Spoiler: they do not accept appeals

[drifting quest]

cant access the help and guides section

but can access the rest of the server

[pure spoke]

oh i see

[smoky quarry]

You are not allowed to send msgs in #help , #theorycrafting and #team-build

which kinda defeats purpose of this server

[lean pawn]

Can I get to the said private server uwu

[pure spoke]

i only like tc and team build channels

[lean pawn]

They allow to certain extend offtopic

[pure spoke]

i dont rlly tc. i just do solo shit and try random shit and let my gutfeeling decide

[smoky quarry]

This is a flexible concept. If a specific moderator comes in and doesn't like the discussion at a specific moment, then everyone gets a help ban.

[drifting quest]

Per the rules it would be combat only and only for TC.

Factory stuff has never been allowed and gets enforced when seen because #aic-factory exists.

Gacha stuff has never been allowed and gets enforced because posting gacha results is not allowed outside of #salt-mine-gacha-flex.

The rest like material costs and stuff technically isn't allowed but is tolerated the same way questions better suited for #help or #team-build are tolerated. Technically not allowed but no one cared until people started getting help banned for things like offtopic

[pure spoke]

so far i got 1 warning for off topic xD

[lean pawn]

Ig theres many different spectrum of power trip

[drifting quest]

i still dont care the relaxed tc environment that allows moments of offtopic, questions to be asked, tc for other aspects is what makes the channel worth staying in

but if they're going to enforce some of the rules then they need to enforce all of them

[lean pawn]

But help ban is terrible system, cause I for certain need help at times, and appeal is ineffective, thats just rather tragic.

[pure spoke]

we need arknights enforcer

[smoky quarry]

https://tenor.com/view/my-12-alt-accounts-you-were-banned-from-this-server-my-12-alt-accounts-gameth-gojo-satoru-gojo-gif-10932418086603986888

They leave no other choice

[pure spoke]

im way too lazy to make a new account

[valid palm]

Where is this stated. The channel descriptions do not indicate this. Factory stuff being delegated to #aic-factory makes sense but other than that all number crunching should be valid. The channel description doesn't specify combat-only, at the very least. Gacha-related theory crafting (pull planning etc.) fits much more closely here because #salt-mine-gacha-flex is just pull results spam. Material costs, etc. also fits here best because #help is for general questions and people looking for... well, help. Theorizing about optimal sanity or Dijiang material acquisition, etc. doesn't fit #help at all and fits this channel's stated purpose exactly.

[drifting quest]

I don't disagree that it should be more clear

or opened up to be more lax

[smoky quarry]

I'd say that #theorycrafting should cover all in-depth gameplay discussion, #help and #team-build better fits for surface questions, like what team do I build with these characters or how do I open this chest

[valid palm]

It's not just about clarity, either. If what you said is true, then several topics just straight-up don't have an appropriate channel at all lmao

[lean pawn]

Like it would be great if the appeal actually worked and we could communicate with a mod to get into a compromise, reverse1999 server is like that basically, my second gacha, and from just my general view theorycrafting chats in gacha server have the most sane people that you can commute with.

[smoky quarry]

Funny thing, they do actually read tickets, they just close them without answering

And you have to beat answers from them by harassing them in chat lol

[lean pawn]

Help channel is pure chaos and second most sane is team building chat

[drifting quest]

team build just tends to strip all nuance from teams and/or recommend ones that are worse without explaining they are / why they are / what the trade offs are

[pure spoke]

[smoky quarry]

It's enough for noobies who just came up with 15 character all p0

[drifting quest]

i used to care a bit more but i dont anymore because game is just not getting harder anytime soon

[smoky quarry]

Like I said, it's better suited for surface level discussion

People who play the game a lot and are interested in becoming better will end up in TC

[drifting quest]

tc gets its share of people who dont care about minmax arguing about minmaxed comps

[pure spoke]

for me it feels like ppl are jsut fighting for what they believe is the best setup and rotation

[summer flicker]

the tc here is getting cooked

[smoky quarry]

Chat, generous rewards are here

[lean pawn]

Where is this from?

[drifting quest]

new login event

[smoky quarry]

Event center

[drifting quest]

will be at the end of every patch

[lean pawn]

I am not home for endfield shenanigans

[smoky quarry]

Forget about weekly refresh

It's trash

[lean pawn]

When will valiant come back T_T

I missed on it cause I am dumb mofo who just login do daily and dijang and then log off

[drifting quest]

May or June

June I think

Ill give an exact date in a minute

[unreal light]

It feels as if this channel is dying

[lyric latch]

do you know Thermite date?

[smoky quarry]

I think grand vision is coming next week?

Or was it may 12

[lean pawn]

Did they got a purge?

[drifting quest]

no

[pure spoke]

NICE EVENT

[lean pawn]

Didnt we have grand vision before?

[gritty briar]

i'd like to know if jet is coming in the near future

[drifting quest]

we only know 1.0 rotation, so we know when 1.0 rotation will restart

[lyric latch]

until the patch drops its dead

[drifting quest]

Next GV is w/c May 7th
Next Valiant is w/c May 21st

or well

no yes

the week of the banner

not the monday

8-15 are the remaining weapons, we dont know the order in which they will be

[smoky quarry]

Gambling addict in me is too strong, I want to pull. What do I choose?

[pure spoke]

ember sig

[unreal light]

So are we not getting wedge and stuff from reappearing shop?

[drifting quest]

WNN (and Chiv) are not permanent fixtures so they should be in the pool

[chilly bolt]

No wedge yet

[drifting quest]

there's a chance Wedge won't be in it since it's in 5/5 banners

but id expect it's in it

[smoky quarry]

Anything but this

[unreal light]

I think so yeah

[pure spoke]

[drifting quest]

there are 15 non sig non bp weapons

[gritty briar]

is it just under the assumption based on there being 15 weapons and all of them rotating in the same order every time?

[pure spoke]

pull for never rest because it looks cool

[drifting quest]

the remaining 8 are:
Rapid Ascent
Thermite Cutter
White Night Nova
Exemplar
Sundered Prince
JET
Wedge
Chivalric Virtues

[smoky quarry]

I have maxed thermite, no use

[pure spoke]

bruh gimme some pulls

[lean pawn]

How O_O

[gritty briar]

I didn't think to count the weapons actually. I guess that tells me Jet and Thermite is somewhere within 8 weeks

[chilly bolt]

I'd buy chiv ngl

[smoky quarry]

I think about pulling Kraven. Not like I am LR fan, but it should be worth investing. @drifting quest do you think that LR team is future proof?

[lean pawn]

Tho termite p5 doesnt seem as much game changing to p0?

[drifting quest]

1.1 is only 5 weeks long though so actually it's only 5/8 we'll get

[bronze plume]

what

[drifting quest]

from a minmax sense no lr is already arguably replaced by yvonne
from a 'it will clear sense' hard to say

[lean pawn]

Where we got that info?

[drifting quest]

Tangtang banner is 17d long

Rossi banner starts on March 29th

the Patch goes live March 12th

[pure spoke]

watch rossi banner being 3 weeks

[drifting quest]

hence x2 banners at 17d each = 34d or ~5 weeks

[gritty briar]

pretty reasonable assumption

[drifting quest]

April 16th for 1.2

20th May 1.3

[torn pilot]

Aw shit that means I missed khrav for LR

[drifting quest]

etc etc

[drifting quest]

6* units sig weapons won't be in the rotation

[smoky quarry]

You are not getting sign in rotations

Only issues

[drifting quest]

Khrav, Mountain Bearer, Starry Beach, Never Rest and Thunderberge

[torn pilot]

Oh gotchu

[lean pawn]

I have 63k oro and I feel its still not enough its just 120 and a bit more like damn xd

[chilly bolt]

Imagine seeing khrav in shop after you just spent 16k arsenal

[smoky quarry]

Those weapons should be adressed as 7 stars imo, they're way stronger than sam-ish 6-stars for legs

[lean pawn]

Assuming the worst of getting a char at guaranteed

[drifting quest]

granted we are assuming standard banner sigs wont be there

so you could always wait to confirm

but the precedent would be beta's

and common sense

[smoky quarry]

They MIGHT include ONE signature as special drop in 15w rotation

but chance is low

[drifting quest]

if we get a preload then we'll know the 1.1 lineup then

if we dont get a preload we find out on release

very much hoping we get a preload and soon at that

[gritty briar]

if they add any weapons, this 15 week cycle could also be subject to change

[smoky quarry]

What "Once only" actually means here

I thought it means that drop is guaranteed only one time, but no

[chilly bolt]

One time only

After that, you need 10 issue to guarantee, no?

[smoky quarry]

They will rerun it eventually, not the case Ig

[unreal light]

When you get to 8 pulls, the next guarantee will increase the amount of pulls

[smoky quarry]

you get bonus case after 2 issues

[chilly bolt]

The crate doesn't contain the sig

You'll need to do extra 10 more for it

Or 8 more i forgot

[smoky quarry]

Wow, arsenal in this game sucks

I'd rather spend oroberyls than that

[unreal light]

I believe it’s 10 second guarantee and some sick 16 third guarantee

But I might be wrong on that

[drifting quest]

thankfully potentials on weapons are really mid

and some sigs are mid to begin with

[smoky quarry]

Are they?

[drifting quest]

p0 vs p5 artzy isnt all that

[unreal light]

When the game introduced arcenal pulls, there was only one banner for Ardelia weapon

[drifting quest]

it looks like more than it actually is

[unreal light]

And I thought it’s your only weapon banner

And spent all the currency there

[drifting quest]

because of how diluted damage% gets

[unreal light]

[valid zealot]

I made the mistake of pulling phys sigs.

How I'm homeless.

[unreal light]

Sorry VitDaiNhan

[valid zealot]

It's really bad hornymonster.

[drifting quest]

19.2% unconditional damage%
17.2% per stack up to 51.6% conditional damage%

adds up to just under 71% damage% which don't get me wrong is quite a bit but the real gains are less than it looks to be

[tight haven]

it is frustrating that ive sent two modmails and seemingly neither of them have gotten answered

[valid zealot]

Worse thing is I will continue since I'm 20 off mountain bearer.

[tight haven]

oh wow they fucking

shot me up there

[valid zealot]

Down the hole we go.

[tight haven]

oops

[drifting quest]

they answered morbikas pretty fast

lmao

[tight haven]

bruh

[unreal light]

I don’t have Chen sig out of all phys sigs

It hadn’t appeared in reappearing weapon shop

[valid zealot]

I have ascend but p5 sundering.

weirdL

[drifting quest]

old rascent

[unreal light]

Ascent big number for damage per screenshots

[drifting quest]

if only

[unreal light]

And you’re not forced to keep in mind stacks

The stacks usually fell off cause they’re per lifted, not per lift

[smoky quarry]

Are devs ever gonna adress how stingy are these?

[tight haven]

god i hope so

[smoky quarry]

Offer very little for unpleasant price

[tight haven]

the packs suck in comparison to og ak

2k arsenal tickets for $20

ugh

[drifting quest]

1.1 ones arent better

sadly

[tight haven]

yep

it will be like this until at least 1.2

[drifting quest]

no reason to spend for me at least

[tight haven]

dude if they offered like

10k arsenal tickets for $50

[drifting quest]

less so with the way things are going nowadays

[tight haven]

that would be so heat

[smoky quarry]

They fumbled bundles so badly that the only thing you wanna buy is monthly and bp

[drifting quest]

yeah

[tight haven]

also i hate how the ticket packs are all for expiring tickets

no reason to buy them if you dont want the op on offer

very silly design decision

[drifting quest]

no update and the login event is still expiring tickets too

[tight haven]

its so ass

[drifting quest]

one of the L's endfield has

[tight haven]

the player economy is awful

[smoky quarry]

Or how they sell ONE bundle of tokens which equal to 1 arsenal pull

and originium -> token conversion is absolutely terrible

[dawn patrol]

i would unironically snatch this up instantly

[tight haven]

arsenal 10x costing more than op 10x is very silly imo

[tight haven]

same

[tight haven]

yeah exactly

[smoky quarry]

These are 150 dollars in origonometry btw

rough estimate

[summer flicker]

this so silly

[tight haven]

like i get theres ultra whales out there who just will buy whatever because they only get satisfaction from having a complete collection

but i would deffo spend more if there were better deals

atp i feel like im getting ripped off with the terrible origeo conversion rate

so why would i buy

idk for me part of the satisfaction is feeling like im actually getting a deal

none of the bundles feel like deals

[gritty briar]

same but they don't care about price conscious people for buying the origeo
the people who care about prices are meant to buy BP and monthly

[tight haven]

ive written abt this multiple times in my surveys heres hoping they listen

doesnt hold true for me and a couple other whales i know at least

[gritty briar]

and having everything else suck in comparison pushes the monthly card and battle pass even further

[tight haven]

like ill buy out bundles in ak gladly cuz its better than raw op

even if i dont really need everything there

[smoky quarry]

bp and monthly are intended for light spenders (under 10 dollars monthly)

No option for middle spenders however

[tight haven]

yea theres nothing for middle spenders basically at all

[dawn patrol]

i like the game and i'll spend money on packs if they're neat and not a total scam lmao

[gritty briar]

well i'm sure they'll release the good middle spender packs on special events like anniversaries, like in arknights

[tight haven]

maybe

[gritty briar]

i bought those too back when i played

like the selector bundle and others

[tight haven]

in any case im just holding out that they release better packs somehow

selling selectors would be fantastic

or like, weapon potential replacement tokens

op potential replacement tokens

i feel like its underexplored in the medium ngl

[winter shale]

best build for p5 laev?

looking for smth that makes use of the p4 energy reduction

[neat snow]

[winter shale]

been running the 99% uptime max ERR build but its getting kinda dull

[tight haven]

oh

yeah no this is the absolute best for p5 laev

in most scenarios

your edps becomes literally unmatched

[glass agate]

Stop spreading misinfo

All kind of number crunching are allowed in TC

[winter shale]

looking more for a middleground between high uptime and bigger numbers

[glass agate]

including base skill number crunching

[drifting quest]

previous info we were given said combat only

if that's changed then good

[tight haven]

theres base skill number crunching?

[smoky quarry]

Kindly and respectfully, leave us alone

[drifting quest]

thats what we've been asking for

[smoky quarry]

We are fine

[tight haven]

its like pretty straightforward

for now at least

we dont have stuff like proviso or mlynar (yet)

[drifting quest]

most of the complaints we have had here has been unequal moderation practices and confusing info

[glass agate]

Those who get help banned gets reviewed by majority of the moderation team, and most of the time it's because they made nsfw remarks, posting offtopic meme pics or image unrelated to conversation without context, or very extended and unrelated offtopic that when investigated it was not related to previous conversation derailment at all

[glass agate]

Who said that

[glass agate]

Nice ban evading

[smoky quarry]

And you all think that they don't deserve second chance or at least timed ban?

[glass agate]

Help ban can be appealed via modmail

[smoky quarry]

It's ignored

Nice ticket closure

[neat snow]

I don't think there is

[tight haven]

doesnt exist atp

[glass agate]

Help bans are reviewed for removal every patch

[glass agate]

open one again

[tight haven]

i will also tell you

the err set is the big numbers set

assuming you have p5 laev and p5 sig

[drifting quest]

I believe 2 separate mods have, Opal off the top of my head but they weren't the first to do so

[glass agate]

Kindly and respectfully, follow channel rules

[glass agate]

Link me their message

[drifting quest]

I'll see if I can find them sure

[tight haven]

is it a good idea to be publicly litigating this

[unreal light]

Wait, they close your tickets?

I had written three of them, and none of them was answered or even closed

[smoky quarry]

Even better, closed without answering

You don't know if they're closed btw

[unreal light]

Ahh

[smoky quarry]

So you're just voided

[tight haven]

(well that explains things if true...)

anyway maybe best to like

vacate here

i bet theres people popping in and popping out from the tension

[gritty briar]

this?

[drifting quest]

Yeah that looks familiar

but another mod mentioned it before that iirc

[dawn patrol]

[drifting quest]

it'll take a while to backsearch since I don't know who

[gritty briar]

the context of the conversation makes it sound like it's been an established thing yeah

[outer ermine]

it should be from opal too, days b4 that onr

abt base specifically

[drifting quest]

Opal's blue it was a Purple name that has said it first

[gritty briar]

the only reason opal got mentioned there was cause someone knew opal would say that

[glass agate]

You inquired about a warn on an argument you participated in where threats are involved, all participant in that argument are warned.

[frozen tide]

🥶

[unreal light]

I opened multiple tickets for multiple situations

[smoky quarry]

It doesn't means that it should be flat-out ignored

When people file ticket they expect some kind of asnwer

[unreal light]

Even you have addressed only one

[glass agate]

Alright, I'll have this mod and all moderation staff informed on TC

[gritty briar]

once per patch?
wait but there hasn't ever been a new patch yet...

[drifting quest]

I'm not trying to derail if possible but there are some similar concerns that would be nice to iron out. Enion has a valid point in that since they are criticisms it might not be best to not do it publicly

[glass agate]

I checked, only inquired about your warns

[glass agate]

The system are already thought of

[glass agate]

Guess why

Because we get tons of trolls who spam the modmail

[frozen tide]

Has modmail ever sent a reply back to someone

[drifting quest]

yes

[glass agate]

You got muted for nsfw remark

[tight haven]

why not blacklist trolls from using the modmail then?

it's what i've done as a mod for a server of similar activity and it's worked great for dealing with that issue

[glass agate]

The spam flag is automated

We just reworked it so now it shouldnt autoflag legit modmail

[frozen tide]

[glass agate]

There's just too many spam during the first week

[tight haven]

mmm. fair i suppose

[glass agate]

Look, I try to be fair to everyone

[tight haven]

unfortunate that there were folks who might have been filtered but i cant imagine how busy it was during february lol

[glass agate]

But trolls take advantage of this leniency

Help ban exist in the first place because too many trolls in help category

[short belfry]

how much cr does yvonne need?

[summer flicker]

just 1 mi security kit crit ratemax artificed is enough

[glass agate]

I gave the moderation team full discretion to help ban people they deem as trolls/constant offtopic, and I manually review them

[unreal light]

Yeah it is not against the rules of server, and I got warned for that

[glass agate]

Sir

Server Rule #2

[glass birch]

With the build on Iana's guide you hit around 68% before ult iirc

[summer flicker]

max you get around: 78 in ult, 48 outside ult

[neat snow]

How do you change the emote next to your name

[bronze plume]

its role based

[neat snow]

[unreal light]

I see, I got warned for violating rule #1

[bronze plume]

yours is for nitro

mine is cbt2 access

[outer ermine]

[frozen tide]

There isn't a treshold that is a must have you get however much as you can that's below 100 with every cr activated whilst investing in other multipliers as well to get the best theoretical dmg

[summer flicker]

ppl tcing 1 mi sec kit crit rate is the best config you can do

[frozen tide]

Whar

[glass agate]

All discussions must follow basic etiquette. Any behaviour intended to provoke, harass, divide the community, spread misinformation, incite drama, or target others is not tolerated. This includes, but is not limited to, threatening, baiting, obscene, defamatory, condescending, or otherwise racially, religiously, politically, or** sexually objectionable content**, as well as spam, unsolicited messages, or the sharing of personal information. Violations may result in immediate and permanent disciplinary action.

[chilly bolt]

ye if you can read chinese, there's yvonne calc in the sheet

[glass agate]

you said u wanna bang tangtang

[summer flicker]

[glass birch]

Yeah because with P2 it lets you hit 68% Cr without ult's buffs. With buff you're at 98% for the final strike of her ult

[unreal light]

I do

[tight haven]

from cn calcs (personally unverified but its what most cn speedrunners are using) you use basic atk hands and chest, cr kit and slab

[gritty briar]

name checks out

[glass agate]

anyway @smoky quarry, send another modmail

[summer flicker]

oneshot stuff xddd

[glass birch]

I did a calc for CR on that build just yesterday

[smoky quarry]

son 😭

[smoky quarry]

I will

[glass agate]

or I'll just help ban again

[chilly bolt]

your name will be remembered

[dawn patrol]

so little cr....

[glass birch]

https://tenor.com/view/arknights-endfield-arknights-endfield-sunglasses-glasses-gif-11912564503946093605

[glass birch]

it comes to 98% where it counts

[tight haven]

its apparently just mathematically wrong to build otherwise

[frozen tide]

Higher crit is higher consistency but less average theoretical dmg

[tight haven]

i thiiiiiiiiiink

[glass birch]

or 91% without P2

[tight haven]

dont quote me

at p5+sig

you do use 2 cr kits

[tight haven]

am i wrong

[summer flicker]

huh