theorycrafting

[summer flicker]

content is easy, dont waste pull

[potent hornet]

using xaihi ult of course while dreams is on

[real mist]

aaaaand I got yvonne sig in just 10x so no reason to continue more

[solemn pasture]

bruh

gonna kick your ass into #salt-mine-gacha-flex

[unreal light]

I got tangtang sig

[summer flicker]

huh

[real mist]

can't afford tangtang for my yvonne

[summer flicker]

tangtang sig info out?

[edgy crater]

hmm if u got 2 starry, u can get one of it into 80 for 6x3 on xaihi n another copy at lvl 1 for ardel lmao

[solemn pasture]

no he's just engagement baiting

[edgy crater]

[real mist]

can't possibly get 120 pulls in one patch

well during tangtang's phase that is

[unreal light]

Handcannon

[edgy crater]

lvl 1 starry technically enough for ardel isn't?

u only care for xx3 starry

[unreal light]

For 3rd line purposes yes

[real mist]

what about in this part? is it worth buying the chiv/det if it appears here?

[potent hornet]

deto unit does show up there pretty often

[solemn pasture]

i mean, if you can't be arsed to gamble yeah

[potent hornet]

its a good get

[fathom spear]

u pulled on gilberta ? or u used 120 on yvonne alr

[potent hornet]

if you don't have one

[solemn pasture]

i bought a decent amount of weapons there honestly

[real mist]

pulled on both and I got both, now I can't afford tangtang so ye gotta skip the entire 1.1

[solemn pasture]

the pricetag is worth just getting it

lmao i was seriously debating whether to pull for yvonne or save for 1.1

[potent hornet]

i wouldn't spend on those for potentials unless you were buying the last for a p5

[solemn pasture]

i wanna see the numbers on tangtang so i can decide whether or not to commit pulling for my LR team

[potent hornet]

but to get the base weapon its great

[fathom spear]

zamn, sad then skip 1.1. I still have 51k so im pretty fine ig

[edgy crater]

save

[solemn pasture]

yeah

[summer flicker]

yes if you dont have it alr

[edgy crater]

unless u can p5 Yvonne

[solemn pasture]

no

[summer flicker]

if you have it alr, dont buy dupes

or you can just wait till you lose to one

[real mist]

yvonne will have another teammate in 1.2 trust

[solemn pasture]

dude if i could p5 yvonne i'd be a freaking leviathan

[summer flicker]

its your call

[potent hornet]

TT has 2 cryo infliction, even without good dmg she will be a welcome ult/inflict bot

[summer flicker]

you mean replace xaihi

kekw

[edgy crater]

well, some dude get p5 Yvonne before p3 wulf

[solemn pasture]

that's crazy

[real mist]

I'd prolly replace perlica cause she's like sweaty to play and I don't like playing alesh

[edgy crater]

more like better fluorite

[solemn pasture]

yeah

[ashen scroll]

Imo , its never worth buying anything there , since you will get them eventualy and arsenal token getting more rare theese day, i would rather save up

[summer flicker]

tangtang replace perlica

[fathom spear]

yeah kinda 😭 , targeting 5 stars is harder in gacha game, i quit genshin long ago but it took me 3 years to max dupe a 4\ star character since release

[summer flicker]

more likeprolly replace perlica

depends on her buff number

😭

[real mist]

yeah exactly, and I'm skipping 1.1 so... yea

[solemn pasture]

at least they're giving us more pull resources

[edgy crater]

its really hard to kick xaihi from cryo team, half ur damage literally from her ulti

[solemn pasture]

i'd like more tho

please i just wanna collect :<

my highest 6 star rn is freaking lifeng at p2

[fathom spear]

mine is yvonne lol

[edgy crater]

ardelia p3

[solemn pasture]

at least you can use ardelia

[real mist]

2 last rites

[solemn pasture]

i can't fuckin use lifeng i have no pogranichnik

[real mist]

it's like an insult for an yvonne user tbh

[edgy crater]

u can use lifeng as well

oh lmao

[summer flicker]

i have 0 lr

[fathom spear]

didnt spend a pull on yvonne's banner except the free ones

[summer flicker]

certified yvonne user

[solemn pasture]

i have a friend who's p5 lr and p4 khravengger :/

jealous of his mf ass

[edgy crater]

steal his account

[solemn pasture]

i would

i really would

[edgy crater]

nah, u should

or rather, u must

[solemn pasture]

lmao

[real mist]

saving in 1.1 will reward me with manticore clone in 1.2

[ashen scroll]

Is manticore even infected

[solemn pasture]

honestly if tangtang numbers don't justify putting her in an LR team I might be tempted to skip and wait for 1.2 and 1.3

[real mist]

don't try to ruin it man

[ashen scroll]

Hey dont blame me

I want thorn infected too atp

[fathom spear]

just dont pull if u dont like the character, why pull for longevity at this stage

[solemn pasture]

i am a meta slave

trend chaser

[ashen scroll]

Men kisser

Furry hunter

Bottom dealer

[dawn patrol]

what

[solemn pasture]

lmao

[brisk pecan]

gambling addict 😔

[ashen scroll]

[summer flicker]

ye pwc is inevitable in gacha games

nothing is forever here kekw

https://gifconvert.vxtwitter.com/convert.avif?url=https://video.twimg.com/tweet_video/HCPf4_bbEAEBVSf.mp4

[quaint matrix]

i'm thinking. should i pull tang-tang for lr or just continue saving

i have 240 pulls saved and i kinda don't want tang-tang but gamba addiction is kicking in

[bronze plume]

wait till shes out fully and tcs have done it

[brisk pecan]

if... if you don't want the character why are you pulling

[drifting quest]

depends entirely on her personal damage but likely we will not opt for tangtang in lr

[autumn glen]

we fucking with lvl 1 leav and yvon

[drifting quest]

she doesnt do anything special for lr, her damage doesnt align with lr nuke window so well, etc

[quaint matrix]

oh that's good to know

i'm not planning to pull yvonne anyways

so might skip tang-tang aswell

and rossi is

.......

i better stick with endmin pog chen lifeng

[autumn glen]

tang^2 doesnt really need ice dps to be good

tbf

[drifting quest]

the best tangtang team isnt unrealistically a tangtang hyper team

that is correct

depends on numbers to say for sure

[autumn glen]

she has cc + art dmg dealt + sp refund

and her art dmg dealt isint reliant on ulty either

shes a p good pull even if u dont wanna play ice dps ngl

[quaint matrix]

but i dislike her childish personality

[lyric latch]

Tangtang outdpsing the Cryo Strikers would be funny

[torn pilot]

Day 2 of learning Yvonne isn’t a caster and using her with Gilberta anyways:

[summer flicker]

then dont pull, she shouldnt make yvonne like way way stronger anyway

pull char if you like, if you hate the char then just skip

[autumn glen]

i lowk got yvonne out of that free 10 pull at 30 pulls

so i still ahve 30 pity for future char

which will prob be tang^2

i love tang^2

shes silly

[torn pilot]

I really want them both

[autumn glen]

then dont pull

[torn pilot]

And also want zhuang

Which sucks

[autumn glen]

zhunag is the green lady right

[torn pilot]

Yeah green lightning momma

[quaint matrix]

yeah. i just have to wait for another 40 days

[autumn glen]

true

[quaint matrix]

but both mifu and zhunah are kinda the characters i want

so i can pull both

[autumn glen]

im sad cuz shes prob gonna replace my avywenna

thats why i dont like her

[torn pilot]

I don’t like Avywenna design much

[autumn glen]

[torn pilot]

She’s too dommy for me

[lyric latch]

I am going to pull Tangtang and Mi Fu

[drifting quest]

dont get yourselves help banned

[autumn glen]

that can happen

mods take mercy...

[drifting quest]

people are getting help banned for offtopic yes

[autumn glen]

ok so liek

ive been seeing smth abt a perlica tangtang gilberta core

what is this about

[torn pilot]

Insert last rite for peak team

Well, idk

[drifting quest]

its just 2 buffers + tangtang

nothing particularly special

[autumn glen]

how does perl buff

[brisk pecan]

perlica + tangtang = electric water

[summer flicker]

electrification

[brisk pecan]

trust

[rare zodiac]

eletrification

[autumn glen]

i though she just applied electrification

[torn pilot]

Weapon + electrification

[autumn glen]

what does electrification do again

[torn pilot]

It reduces arts resistance

[rare zodiac]

ddmgtaken debuff

[autumn glen]

sma eas corrosion?

[summer flicker]

art dmg taken iirc

[torn pilot]

Yeah that

[rare zodiac]

that corrosion

[summer flicker]

that's corrosion

[torn pilot]

Ahh right

[autumn glen]

oh so different

icic

[autumn glen]

makes ense

[summer flicker]

its different

one is - res, one is dmg taken

[rare zodiac]

it's diff mult so will be nice if you can stack it

[torn pilot]

Perlica and Gilberta create a strong nuke enabling core

[autumn glen]

icic perl is bette rtan i thought then

im usinjg oblivian perl rn tho so shes much more of a sub dps

[torn pilot]

Perlica also easily enables Gilberta combo skill

[summer flicker]

totally valid use

[autumn glen]

yall is arclight gonna get replace on avywenna </3

[summer flicker]

obilivion isnt far off

for yvonne team

[rare zodiac]

isn't she already be replace by Ake?

[torn pilot]

For Yvonne team? This doesn’t look right

Why would she be on detonating unit

[summer flicker]

art intensity

[bronze plume]

only for speedruns normally

[lyric latch]

only if Gilb is in the team right?

[autumn glen]

im using an electric team rn and det unit seems to bothersome i dont wanna proc arts burst when i can proc electrification for arclight spam

[torn pilot]

Is that really better than getting stanza passive?

[summer flicker]

stanza is assume to be used on gilb

since you cant ult every rot with art stacking perlica tho

[torn pilot]

Ohh gotchu

[summer flicker]

so perlica is like: good for 1 rot only

[autumn glen]

i cant tell if arts dmg taken or atk% is better anymore

for support buffs

[torn pilot]

It depends and ideally you mix them

Attack buffs are super solid

[autumn glen]

arclight has tc and gilb has her bp sig

[torn pilot]

Especially when paired with damage taken debuffs

[autumn glen]

so

good mix i guess

[torn pilot]

Or susceptible

[summer flicker]

do i wait for 5k2

[autumn glen]

what da fuh

1200%

[summer flicker]

ye -80%

[rare zodiac]

stockfield

[torn pilot]

Ughhh idk what to do for 1.1

I love rossi and tangtang

[summer flicker]

pull both

[torn pilot]

And my 2 teams are physical + cryo

So I make use of both

[torn pilot]

[tight haven]

spend money

[torn pilot]

Starting my OF right now

[summer flicker]

save alot lik eme

and manage to have both

[dense hatch]

i don't think rossi will be that prominent in phys team

[summer flicker]

🍷

[rare zodiac]

Rossi in phys is very questionable right now

[summer flicker]

rossi seems to be in a very different way of team

[torn pilot]

I think she could be depending on how strong her nukeis

[summer flicker]

than currently

[torn pilot]

Yeah it seems like Rossi needs a pyro dps that makes use of vulnerability

[summer flicker]

sth like that

[torn pilot]

Maybe doesn’t need to be a dps

[summer flicker]

she needs another hybrid

[torn pilot]

Yeah possibly

[rare zodiac]

rossi guard with vul that deal art, waiting for a caster with infliction that deal phys

[drifting quest]

its unlikely any one unit can fix her from a minmax perspective, outside of super forced stuff

[torn pilot]

It’s also possible that her nuke is just crazy high with breach + Gilberta sus tho

[drifting quest]

but she'll be just fine outside of minmax anyway

[torn pilot]

At the end of the day we’ve never seen the potential of mixed damage

[rare zodiac]

breach is phys only, her ult is heat

[torn pilot]

Her ult does heat and phys damage

(I thought)

[rare zodiac]

no just heat

[peak void]

can we say that rossi is packing heat

[rare zodiac]

Rossi in heat 🥵

[summer flicker]

[peak void]

uhh.

[brisk pecan]

bro is baiting the mods

kinda respect

[rare zodiac]

i have said worse

[summer flicker]

[torn pilot]

Neat

[rare zodiac]

kinda 50/50 with the lack of mod

some have been ban for less

[torn pilot]

Yeah I mean at the end of the day her status in the meta is just a damage check that we don’t have yet

[brisk pecan]

isn't rossi still great even if you ignore the damage aspect tho

+2 vuln with a combo skill is

[torn pilot]

That being said, it does seem like she would excel best in an arts team that utilizes vulnerability

[drifting quest]

i mean they havent warned anyone yet for these things (that ive seen)

why would they start now

[glass birch]

Requires infliction to do her combo

[torn pilot]

Currently we just don’t have a lot of ways to enable that

[glass birch]

And it also requires you to time the 2nd hit to get the 2nd vuln

[drifting quest]

too busy help banning the people who actually do stuff here for offtopic

[torn pilot]

Yeah she is, since vulnerability just provides so much backbone for physical team

[glass birch]

Which means if youre gonna get hit before you can use the 2nd combo sequence; you lose the 2nd vuln from dodging

[summer flicker]

real

[gaunt apex]

r they get paid for this?

[summer flicker]

no

unpaid

or maybe some ingame benefits, i dont really know

[glass birch]

Rossi's Combo requires 1+ Vuln and 1+ Infliction to activate. So in mono-phys it's a shitty chen

[drifting quest]

its the illusion of good stacking

[summer flicker]

[drifting quest]

how are you stacking in monophys + rossi

just off her ult

thats not good

[brisk pecan]

huh fair enough

oh wait shatter?

[drifting quest]

so you have to go 2 phys, rossi + 1 non phys

shatter she can go in but they also dont need her

[brisk pecan]

mm

[torn pilot]

Gilberta and Rossi can put 4 vuln stacks. You need to look at the team as a whole, not just as a replacement for Chen

Chen can solo trim bosses

[brisk pecan]

they'll add a reaction for combust + phys later

trust

[glass birch]

Gilberta doesnt benefit phys though

[torn pilot]

So yes Rossi is super good. She applies a lot of vulnerability, which physical units like pog endmin and pan are enabled by

[glass birch]

It's purely arts suscept

[torn pilot]

True

So it’s seeming like a downgrade to the current phys team

[summer flicker]

wait for a new unit that convert art sus to general sus

kekw

[glass birch]

Which again; you're taking out 2 good units in Mono-phys to try and fit Rossi+1

[summer flicker]

[drifting quest]

to proc gilberta combo you need to make a reaction which you can only do off rossi ult
and then you still need inflictions for rossi combo skill

[glass birch]

For something that's on equal footing to Chen

[summer flicker]

or a phys char that deal art dps and somehow use vulv

[torn pilot]

That being said, physical is currently so good that I imagine Rossi team will still be top tier even without lifeng and Chen

The team just performs so well

[glass birch]

Ember?

[drifting quest]

losing both lifeng and chen

[glass birch]

Though she applies vuln not uses it

[summer flicker]

does ember use vulv for ehr move

[drifting quest]

will masssively cripple the team

[rare zodiac]

her team is far from phys

[drifting quest]

you're gutting like 60+% of the team dps

more, maybe

[potent hornet]

phys is good because everyone in the group does good dmg

[rare zodiac]

more of a heat dps with her as the core if she have good numbers

[dense hatch]

is phys "that" good?

[drifting quest]

depends on context

[torn pilot]

Yeah we will have to see how much damage Rossi does

[potent hornet]

if rossi can't hang dmg wise then it won't work

[glass birch]

her combo will likely be good; but again it's based around a hybrid set up

[torn pilot]

I could also see a world where you replace pog in the team and jsut do crush + vuln spam team

[drifting quest]

rossi phys will be playable

even if its a 3op wheelchair comp

[summer flicker]

and current setup isnt optimized for rossi

[glass birch]

Rossi/Pog/Ardelia/Wulf

[drifting quest]

it just wont be as good

[summer flicker]

she's waiting for future unit to be completed

potential women

[glass birch]

Or Rossi/Pog/Lifeng/Wulf maybe?

[torn pilot]

It’ll be more than playable it’ll be one of the butteriest teams in the game imo

It just probably won’t check damage charts the way mono teams currently do

[dense hatch]

she'll prob get better with another hybrid buffer/debuffer

[torn pilot]

Rossi cores apply so much vulnerability

[dense hatch]

but she has pretty good existing synergy already

[drifting quest]

it'll just be one of the two physical wheelchair comps with rossi as emotional support

pog chen (lifeng or dapan)

[summer flicker]

when we get good weapon

[drifting quest]

then rossi to maybe give vuln once every third rotation

[summer flicker]

[dense hatch]

she applies more vulnerability but it costs an Arts infliction, so you're just trading Arts for Phys. If you just had that character inflict a phys vul and use chen it's the same # of stacks

[rare zodiac]

the thermite look alike trap

[summer flicker]

fermite

[drifting quest]

its more stacks over the same time, for less sp

to just use chen

[brisk pecan]

wait actually

[rare zodiac]

yeah she is kinda in a weird place right now

[brisk pecan]

can't she work as a chen replacement in a shatter comp

[drifting quest]

can yes

[brisk pecan]

endmin/rossi/est/alesh

[drifting quest]

but it has similar issues

[brisk pecan]

won't you get more vuln stacks than with chen?

[drifting quest]

no

maybe

it depends

[rare zodiac]

more like an art unit that happens to have vul, which is kinda weird that it happen twice

[brisk pecan]

we don't have numbers rah

[glass birch]

Rossi's combo is like 10-12s iirc

versus chen's 18s

It's just more SP reliant

[drifting quest]

what

[gritty briar]

possibly slightly more but with a weirder start cause you need a vuln stack first

[drifting quest]

chens is not 18s

[summer flicker]

huh chen is not 18s

chen is like 11s or sth

[glass birch]

Wait it's not?

[brisk pecan]

chen is 16, 13 with pot

[rare zodiac]

chen p5 is like 12s

[glass birch]

Who tf was I looking at that's 18s???

[drifting quest]

default is 16, 15 at m3
p5 is -3s to 13/12

[glass birch]

hold on

[brisk pecan]

est?

[dense hatch]

chen base is 18

maybe you were thinkin that

[drifting quest]

the base isnt even 18

[dense hatch]

oh

[rare zodiac]

her base is 16

[torn pilot]

Rossi should definitely apply more vulnerability

[drifting quest]

rossi's is 12-15s too but also its longer because seq2 resets the cooldown

[torn pilot]

The thing is that we haven’t really had a team that can apply this much vulnerability either so it could be cool to see Crush spam teams

[drifting quest]

so its more wait time, more sp, reliant on another additional non supportive unit

[rare zodiac]

sp wise it is same with Chen, but need an art inflictor

[torn pilot]

Rossi Gilberta Chen endmin could be fun

[drifting quest]

like people are very much overhyping rossi's application

[gritty briar]

rossi's applying 2 stacks of vuln at the cost of using some sp for the infliction
except when she doesn't need to sometimes from the times she has ult

[torn pilot]

Nobody is hyping it lol

[summer flicker]

the illusion of 2 vulv stack

[torn pilot]

We all know her place in the meta is dependent on a damage check

People are excited to use her tho especially given that her teams will be far from bad

[glass birch]

Yeah Rossi's combo skill is 10s after SEQ2

[torn pilot]

Many many leaps ahead of Yvonne team

[drifting quest]

#theorycrafting message
#theorycrafting message
#theorycrafting message
Perhaps not a truly 'hype' situation but certainly overestimating it

[torpid eagle]

Won't Rossi be used in the Phy team ?

[rare zodiac]

no

[gritty briar]

i think no one is expecting rossi team to be beating any of the top meta teams

[brisk pecan]

she needs an arts inflictor

[glass birch]

Rossi in mono-phys is just a shitty chen

[drifting quest]

remains to be seen

[rare zodiac]

either she have dmg to pull her own team or she can sit on the bench and be cute

[glass birch]

depending on numbers she could beat out LR

[drifting quest]

she doesnt look good for physical stuff at a glance, hybrid teams are just really mediocre, arts stuff is dependent on her multipliers

[glass birch]

but again; depends on numbers

[drifting quest]

but as always in this channel this is minmax stuff

if you dont care about minmax ignore what is said

[glass birch]

we dont have numbers for her skills, exact cooldowns, or how strong her talents are

or even potentials yet

[drifting quest]

use who you want game folds to any team as long as you dont play the game blindfolded

[gritty briar]

if anything people are just discussing if she has a place in some of the more cope teams (phys shatter). I doubt people are talking as if that would beat the current typical mono phys

[torn pilot]

I mean even if her numbers are mid her teams will still be good tho, they just won’t be better than the meta teams already due to damage output

[gaunt mason]

you'd be surprised

[pure spoke]

Tangtang when

[glass birch]

~9 days

[outer ermine]

rhod falls even if u play blindfolded

someone did it even

[drifting quest]

rhod falls

enough said

[glass birch]

Rhod folds to solo catcher

[brisk pecan]

oh did someone do it already?

trim?

[gritty briar]

like i see the phys shatter possibility if she has non-negligible phys damage
but that's not me saying it'll be a good team compared to meta comps. It's just a cope team that could possibly prefer rossi over others

[glass birch]

Issue being her combo skill requires arts afflictions and wipes them completely

[summer flicker]

i should have enough exp to 1-90 tangtang

[glass birch]

And her BS needs a pre-existing vuln to get the SEQ2 hit which will likely be stronger than SEQ1

[summer flicker]

its the matter of enough cred

[edgy crater]

someone clear rhod while blindfold?

[pure spoke]

https://tenor.com/view/arknights-endfield-tangtang-wuling-jump-gif-5889053850376434839

[glass birch]

You might want more blue and below

[summer flicker]

how do i get rich in tcred

😭

[edgy crater]

doubt from 1-60

[summer flicker]

its enough, i checked

[edgy crater]

[pure spoke]

Misinformation spread

[glass birch]

coulda sworn I spent like 100 blues lvling Yvonne from 1-60

[pure spoke]

Because yvonne is so thicc

[summer flicker]

here for yvonne

[gritty briar]

It might be awkward but i'm thinking you just find the time to waste a skill for a infliction stack between each rotation?
I mean 1 battle skill to inflict for 2 vuln stacks is not a bad value. Chen would also ask that you use a skill to do vuln to trigger her combo skill

[summer flicker]

i mean it should be similar for all char

i guess

[gritty briar]

her value doing this role would also kinda depend a lot on the value of her phys fragility debuff

cause she has that too

[pure spoke]

Isnt weapon also 423k credit? Interesting

[glass birch]

Whats 40-60

[gritty briar]

if all her phys shit is negligible then it's kinda cooked for her shatter potential

[outer ermine]

solo lr yeah

[gritty briar]

but she is labeled as a phys character though so surely it's not entirely worthless right?

[summer flicker]

[drifting quest]

Requires her physical damage to beat chen
Or her mixed damage to be higher than chen (since chen accesses buffs in shatter that rossi heat damage doesnt)

[glass birch]

This is off for 40-60 it's 475,800

[summer flicker]

ohh its a bit off

hmm

[lyric latch]

Hopefully at least 20% for both physical and heat

[glass birch]

60-80 is 466,000

[glass birch]

80-90 is 533000

[edgy crater]

bruh, fatso no longer has dignity lol

[summer flicker]

hmm

so the site is a bit off

[gritty briar]

yeah if her damage is massively worse she's cooked
but also don't forget she's also providing value from phys damage taken debuff

[summer flicker]

[glass birch]

Actually I might be wrong 80-90

[pure spoke]

The website is wrong. Im 100% sure i spend 425k credit for weapon 1-90 on a 4 star weapon

[glass birch]

60-80 is def 466k though

[summer flicker]

[pure spoke]

Or do higher star weapon use more resources?

[glass birch]

466,000 60-80
vs.
465,000 60-79

[drifting quest]

Just a reminder cost stuff is offtopic for tc

[pure spoke]

Oh wait its character my bad.

[drifting quest]

Dont get yourselves help banned

[pure spoke]

[summer flicker]

isnt it still theory craft how much exp to pre max a char

[gritty briar]

someone here said that it's for combat only

[drifting quest]

yes

combat only

[summer flicker]

huh, there a specific ?

[drifting quest]

mods have said before its combat only

[summer flicker]

then it should be in the title of channel

or be somewhere

[outer ermine]

they crazy here laffey

[drifting quest]

i dont disagree

its still the rules

[glass birch]

[summer flicker]

the rules they dont specify

L

[drifting quest]

if they're going to help ban others for it then im going to keep mentioning it

[pure spoke]

[glass birch]

I wonder how well Rossi/Gilberta/Fluorite/Wulf would do

[drifting quest]

fluorite is a wasted slot

[summer flicker]

pretty L here tbh

[gritty briar]

if this server is like ako, they're probably more strict on images than chatting
and most of the stories of warns i see here are mostly about images, so maybe keep that in mind

[drifting quest]

otherwise its probably a promising rossi hyper

[gaunt apex]

for level 80 to 90, you only need 58 gold CC, 7 purple CC, and 239k T-creds

[glass birch]

hmm

[glass birch]

Its to pair w/ Gilberta for nature affliction

[gritty briar]

you post an offtopic image and you're gone i guess

[drifting quest]

why do you want to stack nature

[summer flicker]

[drifting quest]

they're posting images of the amounts which would be sufficient

[glass birch]

either 4 stack combust
or
to wipe infliction for Rossi's combo skill

just a thought

[drifting quest]

this would be help bannable per the other warns, for example

[summer flicker]

ye i gonna scream about this, its about arknight endfield

its about number

[rare zodiac]

me with weird meme and questionable quote

[torn pilot]

Talking about being off topic is off topic btw

[summer flicker]

that's not even offtopic

[drifting quest]

4 stack combust is really mid
you can reset stack off gilb anyway
you want to make 4 stack corrosions mostly

[torn pilot]

[drifting quest]

i fully expect to get help banned myself for bringing it up

[outer ermine]

o7

[drifting quest]

but i will continue to do so

[brisk pecan]

so uh, where we refugeeing to?

[glass birch]

[brisk pecan]

just in case

[drifting quest]

im in guoba's server or prydwen

for public spaces

[pure spoke]

#endfield

[drifting quest]

the rest is private tc chats that are invite only

[glass birch]

4 stack corrosion
Gilb ult
Force combust from Wulf ult
Cr/CD buff from combo?(Depending on duration maybe)
Pop Rossi Ult for big damage

[summer flicker]

cant even crunch/ask for number in tc channel

[drifting quest]

it sure is silly isnt it

you should make a modmail to complain

(they dont read them)

[summer flicker]

silly that thing exist, and it isnt mentioned anywhere

[pure spoke]

I dmed a mod and they never replied

[drifting quest]

they're not allowed to or whatever

has to go through modmail

[pure spoke]

Was like 5 months ago or something

[glass birch]

Wait Combustion is mid? Isn't it like 582% initial hit + 87%x10?

[rare zodiac]

but they don't read modmail so it's pretty much Rover

[glass birch]

Thats higher than Crush

[summer flicker]

[rare zodiac]

over a span of 10s and can't stack

[drifting quest]

for the sp cost required to access it yes

add on lack of AI compared to some crush comps

[glass birch]

you're not stacking crush more than once in 10s either on mono-phys. You're doing like 4/3/4 Breach/Crush/Crush

[gritty briar]

combustion numbers are kinda decent but idk how you could possibly build around it

[glass birch]

Combustion might be worth it to build for Rossi's comp though

since she directly benefits from combustion

[gritty briar]

You can't stack multiple of them for a buff/debuff/stagger window so you can't really try to spam a bunch for a small burst

[glass birch]

At least with a high CR

[rare zodiac]

question is how much, does it worth it?

[drifting quest]

stacking combustion means no corrosion stack

[rare zodiac]

still need numbers to decide that

[drifting quest]

it also is like

this is a team that does not need rossi

[summer flicker]

ye everything lack number 😭

[drifting quest]

you can improve it by replacing rossi atp

[inland geyser]

maybe her ult does 7k mv with crit, just buff that ez

[drifting quest]

hello stranger

[rare zodiac]

well but if we are trying our best to cook Rossi can't leave her out don't we

[gritty briar]

like if you wanted to build something that focuses on combustion damage with arts intensity, you wouldn't trigger it too often and it won't be benefiting from a huge buff rotation so a lot of that investment sounds wasted

but combustion numbers look fine in a vacuum at least

[drifting quest]

a combustion based team would just prefer an sp battery over rossi

[glass birch]

SEQ1 on her ult is multi hit where likely each hit can crit
SEQ2 (First part of the dagger dash) can crit
SEQ3 (second part of the dagger dash) can also crit.
And with Talent 2 adding additional hits per crit + each hit is stronger with Combust... Maybe?

[rare zodiac]

"best Rossi team is let her sit on a bench" is a diabolical answer if anyone ever ask

[glass birch]

Just hope theres no cd on talent 2's activation otherwise it cripples the potential

[inland geyser]

"bench her until next patch where her slave support surfaces"

[brisk pecan]

the yvone treatment

[summer flicker]

yvonne v2

[brisk pecan]

hg making the baitiest weebbait waifus just to make them trash 😔

[oak vigil]

Character didn’t even come out, yet already some people preparing a bench with her name on it 💔

[drifting quest]

i mean a lot of people are misinterpreting the current tc (or lack thereof depending on if you're a hard 'we must always have every number for it to be tc') to doompost rossi

[oak vigil]

People also said almost the same thing about Yvonne how she is “benched” while comparing her to Last Rite

[drifting quest]

yvonne was that bad to begin with

its just most people didnt pay attention to her updates over time

[oak vigil]

Yeah

[drifting quest]

even now most people wouldnt know what has changed

[glass birch]

And Rossi's potentials could be interesting. We're likely looking at something like;
Potential 1; Talent 1 does 1.1 times more damage per tick. Duration increase by 2s
Potential 2; Agi +10, Crit Rate +7%
Potential 3; Talent 2 does more dmg against targets with combust
Potential 4; Ult cost -15%
Potential 5; Ult damage boost or Crit rate boost.

Maybe? Hopefully? Doesnt change much but would compliment her kit decently well at least

Just a guess

[rare zodiac]

Would it be funni if she doesn’t have ult cost down in p4 like Yvonne

[summer flicker]

[glass birch]

I mean. Could be a damage bump for her combo skill if not ult cost down

[rare zodiac]

10sp return, take it or leave it

[lyric latch]

P1 she can apply 3 vul regardless of opponent having arts infliction

[summer flicker]

10sp, i will ignore thta

[summer flicker]

the mandatory pot

that should be p5

[glass birch]

or make it so her BS SEQ2 applies vuln or Heat affliction

[lyric latch]

just make a pot as good as Lifeng P1 and people are going to pay

[glass birch]

applying heat affliction would make BS into Combo work for Rossi

and she could potentially stack both affects herself or go straight into combust/corrosion w/ Gilberta

yeah screw talent 1's dot effect; make her BS SEQ2 apply heat affliction on hit

[outer ermine]

brooo

another ard no crit

the mf w crit chest

[summer flower]

Guys, do you think end axis would get English language?

[summer flicker]

hopefully

and im waiting for maygi website that is like end axis but can calc number according to the rotation you input

[outer ermine]

wtf 2 true crit in a row

still no ard tho

[gritty briar]

is end axis nice to use?

i've been typing out my rotations in an excel spreadsheet like a real gamer

[lyric latch]

so how much ArtsSus per Waterspout do you guys think would be good for Tangtang assuming her weapon does not buff the team?

[quick gorge]

How come in the profiles of character, only Laevatain is classified as a Reconvener and no one else?

[oak vigil]

Wait is it?
Ardelia and Gilby also are reconveners

I’ll check in a second in their profile docs

[drifting quest]

gotta keep it on topic

[quick gorge]

well Ardelia profile ingame doesn't mention being a reconvener

[oak vigil]

I mean it is character theory discussion, no?

[drifting quest]

no

theorycrafting channel is for combat tc only

[oak vigil]

Oh, oh well, then to #lore-room

[drifting quest]

per prior mods comments

you dont actually have to go, i dont care, but mods are help banning people so up to you

[rugged kiln]

fortmaker or thermite on pog?

[drifting quest]

thermite is the better of the two

for now

[chilly bolt]

if you can read chinese

[smoky quarry]

What's the percentage DPS loss if you use Dark Lung or Sundered Prince on Last Rite?

Getting signature for standard legendary is too expensive in current arsenal economy

[drifting quest]

varies quite a bit based on assumptions

[honest hill]

u think there will be a wep that will replace thermite cutter

[drifting quest]

can be as big as halving your damage, slightly more
can be as low as 10-20%

[chilly bolt]

It's 80% on sundered according to prydwen

[drifting quest]

prydwen is not one assumption i would consider

[summer flower]

yea

[chilly bolt]

Oh we have new emojis

[honest hill]

if ur using Last Rite in Yvonne team just use Sundered but don't do mdps she really needs her wep

[smoky quarry]

You really gotta be fan of the character to pull signature on f2p

[drifting quest]

They do tend to be quite large gains whether you like it or not

[smoky quarry]

I build teams for diversity and can't waste tokens on weapons that only one operator can use.

[honest hill]

I would not reccomend building her

[chilly bolt]

That's one way to play the game i guess

[honest hill]

if ur not going to have her weapon

[drifting quest]

the game is very easy anyway so it doesnt matter

[honest hill]

the damage will be very low

[drifting quest]

use what you want

this channel is assuming you are minmaxxing (within the bounds of whatever it is that you do)

[honest hill]

yeah ig so

just use sundered if that's what u have

[lyric latch]

LR stagger build

[smoky quarry]

Who's the 4th wuling female operator? I remember tangtang, mi fu and fangyu, there was someone else

[lyric latch]

she even gets more stagger at P1

[summer flower]

....

okay so lemme ask one question

why its drooling over swordmancer

and coping over sundered?

[honest hill]

it's fine for Yvonne team but hypercarry role meh

[smoky quarry]

Umbral is just an event, not actual endgame

right?

[gritty briar]

i dont think they ever officially called it endgame

[drifting quest]

umbral is the current endgame rotating combat gamemode

[chilly bolt]

The girl with light green hair idk her name

[honest hill]

it's supposed to be an endgame

[smoky quarry]

this one

[honest hill]

but it's too easy to be an endgame

[smoky quarry]

I liked her look and thought she might be interesting

[distant python]

It's a survival check not a dps check

I think they should keep it that way

[drifting quest]

though you should direct any non combat related + numbers based questions to #help
as annoying as it is the mods have decided to now start help banning people for offtopic so users here may not wish to risk it engaging with questions not related to the channel

[gritty briar]

i feel like people are just calling it endgame cause it's just cause there's nothing else

[honest hill]

which is why it's too easy to be called an endgame mode

[distant python]

The DPS check endgame should be trimming recrisis

[honest hill]

they could make a seperate one where u don't use food buffs at all

[smoky quarry]

Anything regarding gameplay should be fine imo. Too bad that #endfield chat talks about ANYTHING, but actually playing in endfield

Can't have a proper conv there

[distant python]

Self imposed your limits

[gritty briar]

it feels like calling like grani event ex stages as endgame in AK. I think it's just an event

[drifting quest]

as much as I'd like to agree the mods do not

[honest hill]

cuz rn a lot of ppl who trimmed used food buffs so the trim is whatever

[distant python]

I did the first 2 bosses without food

[daring dove]

To be honest, I don't get the reasoning behind being against pulling signatures in this game if you intend to play that team. Especially for your hyper carry whose build needs to be right. Game has a 4% drop rate on 6* weapons an it's not like you're only pulling for LR's weapon when you hit the banner anyway. You're pulling for all of the below weapons.

[distant python]

Do it for your own personal achievement

[honest hill]

yeah first 2 is easy the last one is the real dps check

[smoky quarry]

And those bans are permanent for some reason? If you dm modmail about lifting the ban, they just ignore you

[distant python]

You don't have to flex everything you do

[smoky quarry]

At this point just ban me from this server

[drifting quest]

it's certainly baffling

but they've made that decision so it is what it is now

[distant python]

I fucked up the stagger the first time so I hit a 12 second time loss while marble flew around

[distant python]

LR is the only one without any real competitive alternatives

[honest hill]

"dps check endgame" I thought endgame is supposed to be difficult so food buff being allowed kills the difficulty that's just me tho I would allow food buff for solo runs

[daring dove]

Guy Thermite Cutter is in the weapon shop, should I buy it.

[drifting quest]

dont get yourself help banned with these

[gritty briar]

we have thermite at home:

[smoky quarry]

I don't want to pull for signatures cause I get dripfed with tokens. I made about 240 pulls already, and I managed to pull arsenal only 10 times

So I just decided to buy legs in weekly rotation

At least I know I'm not gambling away all tokens for 10 4-star weapons

[distant python]

I bought the key flexible weapons

Det unit

But stuff like chivalric I can skip, same with valiant tbh

I might eventually get around to pulling lifeng Sig but it's not a priority

[smoky quarry]

Those are xaihi and lifeng signatures, both are important

why not

[distant python]

Xaihi wants det unit for int stacking

[daring dove]

That's fine, problem is characters signatures aren't going to be apart of the weekly rotations. An your hyper carrys damage is a large portion of your teams total DPS. Ultimately if you're happy with how the team performs go for it, but you are going to be taking a decent loss.

[lyric latch]

isnt Chivalric pretty good though?

[distant python]

Lifengs Sig is mountain bearer, valiant is just another option, but I don't use lifeng much

[smoky quarry]

Valiant is like budget variant, it was built for him. No one else can use Valiant

[distant python]

Chimeric + ult spam is good enough if I do want to use him

[honest hill]

Xaihi wants det unit for int stacking, lifeng sig is actually mountain bearer tho valiant is not much behind they're close

[smoky quarry]

I saw the pattern that each legendary has limited signature and budget signature

except for LR, there's no weapon for her except kraven

[edgy crater]

cause theres none alt

[distant python]

So why would I spend for valiant when I could eventually just go for mountain bearer

[edgy crater]

khrav just too stacked lmao

[honest hill]

krav is just too strong

[smoky quarry]

said no one ever

[honest hill]

u need it

[smoky quarry]

why would you pull for lifeng signature

[potent hornet]

khrav is king

[distant python]

Especially when I could get valiant as an off rate later on

[smoky quarry]

spend 20k tokens for sub-dps support?

[distant python]

Why spend any when I barely use him

I use ember over lifeng 90% of the time

[drifting quest]

Lifeng damage scales very well with mb and p2+

[distant python]

Yeah so way later

[drifting quest]

For spenders who play phys its very valid

[distant python]

Lifeng requires too much investment now from me

Det unit meanwhile can be used on both xaihi, antal and perlica

Much more flexible weapon

Worth buying

[drifting quest]

Deto would be useless for a physical main, though

[smoky quarry]

Stanza will be a good pick for any caster support I guess

For a long time

[distant python]

I can build other teams

[drifting quest]

It's simply a case of player preference

You can have your own preferences but that does not invalidate any others

[distant python]

Perlica wants det in mono electric, xaihi wants det in cryo

Stanza is for like Gil if you don't have sig

Or perlica in cryo teams

[edgy crater]

stanza deto n thermite basically slave weap

[daring dove]

I'm thinking once you get Lifeng's P3 you really want his signature weapon, before P3 though either weapon is fine. His P3 + Sig though kind of scale hand in hand.

[smoky quarry]

thermite is built that way so it'll be used for any sp generator

[honest hill]

stop saying slave wep

I hope next reset for weps is actually good

it's been trash for so long

[lyric latch]

imagine if Tangtang weapon is not supportive but an even stronger Khravengger

[honest hill]

her role is just cryo inflict w arts susc

her weapon should lean into that

[edgy crater]

probably? but dat mean we got 3 hypercarry cryo

tho obj still exist for her lmao

[honest hill]

yvonne is getting wheelchaired by her teammates let's be real

[daring dove]

I mean she'll age a lot worse if she ends up with a DPS weapon rather than a support weapon. So I wouldn't personally hope for that. But it might happen.

[honest hill]

she's the one getting carried

[edgy crater]

well, she is

[honest hill]

tangtang be like "I can fix her partly"

[daring dove]

Yvonne is starting to clear faster than LR, in a lot of content to be honest.

[honest hill]

this is why last rite is superior she is the true hypercarry

[daring dove]

I wouldn't say either is bad.

[drifting quest]

Its repute so its not

[honest hill]

[edgy crater]

yeah with ange

[lyric latch]

Tangtang is faster(movespeed from whirlpool) and can freeze her opponents(even bosses)

[drifting quest]

What a callback

[honest hill]

yeah w ange meanwhile lr w arde who is free wow

[smoky quarry]

she's cryo? Her design was screaming phys

[honest hill]

did u not watch the dev log??

[craggy pond]

more like yvonne barely does better than lr while being a whole gilberta ult up

[smoky quarry]

There was no redeem codes, so no

[honest hill]

yes she is cryo

[daring dove]

That's great, but people playing Yvonne won't care who was free or who "cost" a lot of people ended up with Yvonne for "free" by losing a 50/50 as well.

[honest hill]

rossi is phs basically

[honest hill]

u could say the same for Last Rite

[smoky quarry]

Rossi converts arts to phys, so she might be an important operator for making hybrid teams

[honest hill]

since u could've gotten her from selector LOL

[smoky quarry]

I don't know why character like this is limited

[honest hill]

idk

[craggy pond]

idk man if you get both yvonne, gilberta, and their weapons for free then there's something weird with your luck

[honest hill]

I'd say LR team is way more F2P friendly than Yvonne team

[smoky quarry]

I hope I'll get 10 legendaries in the next 10x pull, so I can finally pull for 1 signature

[summer flicker]

i mean i kinda get that luck

[craggy pond]

meanwhile if you wanna play lr, realistically you only need khravengger since you could literally pick her from the selector

[honest hill]

yep

[daring dove]

If you got LR an her weapon for free, there's something wrong with yours. Spending your only 6 star selector on her doesn't make her free to be honest. Just means you're missing a 6* elsewhere.

[craggy pond]

wdym missing, feel free to tell me who else you're using in lr team

that logic kinda makes no sense since it's literally a "free" selector

means whoever you choose that 6* is free

[smoky quarry]

I would call it "calculated generosity"

[daring dove]

Doesn't have to be 1 team does it, most people are building 2/3 teams rn, an in a lot of cases LR wants Gilberta just as much as Yvonne does.

They're both pretty terrible at AoE.

[smoky quarry]

They didn't offered you a selector cause they're kind and caring

[honest hill]

arde is better than gilberta in LR team

[daring dove]

It depends, there isn't a default better.

[honest hill]

what does it depend on

tell me

[daring dove]

Obviously if you need to group enemies or not & the type of content you're facing.

[craggy pond]

i mean aren't we talking about speedkilling bosses tho

why did the topic switch to aoe

[daring dove]

There will be niche situations where I can see Ardelia being better with Yvonne as well.

[honest hill]

idk we have to switch to justify it

[drifting quest]

Not necessarily

[honest hill]

I only see gilb being better against say triag because he spawns mobs

[drifting quest]

I mean any timelines that cannot fit arde skill into instantly pref gilb

[daring dove]

There's a bunch of Umbral stages where she'll be better.

[honest hill]

also being able to P2 skip as well

[drifting quest]

Im not considering qol here

[honest hill]

yes against multiple enemies gilb wins

[craggy pond]

i mean that's like no shit

it's literally her specialty

i wonder who wins

[honest hill]

yep lol

[drifting quest]

pure sgt, ard vs gilb isnt just default one wins

[daring dove]

Then you can say LR needs Gilberta too argument works both ways. It's true Yvonne wants her a bit more. But but teams want her really.

[smoky quarry]

Is it just me or it's better to skip 6th step on essense etching?

[drifting quest]

if you want to cheap out sure

[smoky quarry]

The stat gain is too low for 2,5% success chance

[craggy pond]

Yvonne "needs" gilberta in the sense that she's much worse without her. Lr can function just fine without gilberta

[honest hill]

most of the umbral stages are multiple enemies so for LR team it would make sense to use gilberta but against bosses arde would be better

[craggy pond]

she's more qol than a hard requirement

[lyric latch]

At least Tangtang can do some AoE for Last Rite next patch without screwing up cryo inflictions

[honest hill]

Yvonne without gilberta is oof...

not even arde is saving her

[smoky quarry]

What operator is possibly required to make yvonne actually good

[craggy pond]

yvonne is a nobody without gilberta

[honest hill]

true

[drifting quest]

yvonne is 'good' right now

[honest hill]

[drifting quest]

she's 'better' than last rite

i have to quote hard here because people will misinterpret things endlessly

[honest hill]

her team rn is alesh gilberta and xaihi

[smoky quarry]

I want to see someone completing inorganic construct stage 2 agony with an yvonne

[edgy crater]

u cant even comparing yvone n lr 1 to 1 cause yvonne cant function without ange lol

[smoky quarry]

good luck hitting those shots without getting knocked out from ult by bulls

[frozen tide]

The statistics are very much in favor of yvonne she has better speedkill records and better theoretical inf timeline dps

[daring dove]

I don't get this Yvonne is bad tribe to be honest. Both characters are performing at a similar level & Yvonne actually has a higher damage ceiling than LR.

[honest hill]

ye sure w ange

[frozen tide]

How much those statistics matter is up to yourself

[edgy crater]

try without ange

[honest hill]

without ange it's cooked

[daring dove]

To be honest I'd only be comfortable calling Yvonne bad if you're happy to extend that same label to LR.

[craggy pond]

because yvonne's performance is highly dependent on gilberta's

[daring dove]

Personally I'd settle for them both being good.

[drifting quest]

if we're talking meta minmax both lr and yvonne are somewhat mid

[daring dove]

An stop clowning around.

[drifting quest]

if we're talking average gameplay both are good

if we're talking skill issued gameplay both are bad

[edgy crater]

do u assuming with ange or not

[honest hill]

I never said she was bad

[drifting quest]

yes

im assuming you put the bare minimum of investment in

equal cost

[edgy crater]

which cost

[honest hill]

susge

[drifting quest]

if you dont want to give yvonne gilb then im not giving lr khrav and she's just as bad

[edgy crater]

like reso ingame or money

cause u need luck to get ange as well

[drifting quest]

cost as in the speedrunning metric, +1 per 6* unit or sig

[edgy crater]

[drifting quest]

p0p0 yvonne is 2 cost

[honest hill]

is a standard 6* the same cost as a limited 6*?

[drifting quest]

as an example

[outer ermine]

no more good runs today, 2morrow surely stars will align

[honest hill]

can we say arde + her sig is 0 cost because she was free and LR being free because selector

[edgy crater]

nah u cant

[drifting quest]

no

[honest hill]

[gritty briar]

is arde free forever or is that just launch event?

[drifting quest]

if you consider arde / sig as 0c all standard are 0c because of selector

which is biased

[honest hill]

I mean they literally gave her for free

[lyric latch]

arde and her sig should be 0 cost unless its not permanent event

[honest hill]

u didn't need to pull

u logged in and got her

[lyric latch]

makes no sense

[drifting quest]

its a biased metric

[honest hill]

[gritty briar]

yeah to me it kinda depends on if she was permanently free

[craggy pond]

there's a big discrepancy between this cost and their actual accessibility thoufh

[honest hill]

it's not perma?

[gritty briar]

cause if new players won't be able to get her, it's not free

[lyric latch]

I think its perma

[edgy crater]

ardel? should be perma

[honest hill]

is it still biased then

[craggy pond]

like sure if we're being fair from an objective perspective then you might say they're equal, but realistically speaking Yvonne's team is a much higher investment

[honest hill]

Yvonne much much higher investment ye

[lyric latch]

Arde and Sig is as free as Perlica, Chen and Wulfgard

[honest hill]

yep

[gritty briar]

this isn't the same thing though.
it's possible for someone to just pick a different op from a selector and not be able to have another op.
if ardelia is perma, it's not possible to not have her

[edgy crater]

or rather, jusst compare how much money on average needed to pull khrav vs yvonne ange

[honest hill]

yvonne ange + their sigs

[edgy crater]

ah yeah, artzy too

dats way to expensive then

[drifting quest]

even if you consider arde to be 0c, which is a biased metric

lr is still equal cost

2 v 2

[outer ermine]

the fact that its this hard to say that yvonne is better

[craggy pond]

basically when comparing them in vacuum i think it's fair to say that, but when we take actual cost into consideration (and i think this matters because devs have a naturally higher incentive to make rate up units more impactful, as well as their weapons) then it's not even close

[honest hill]

[drifting quest]

i mean people are ignoring the stuff that biases yvonne

no shit she looks worse

[lilac bloom]

yvonne has better single target right

[honest hill]

she's getting wheelchaired by her teammates

[drifting quest]

ok so

what does that even mean

[smoky quarry]

Sanity discount is last meaningful thing we get in 1.0, right?

[honest hill]

it means her teammates are carrying her

[lilac bloom]

this isnt honkai or genshin yet

[honest hill]

what is yvonne without gilberta?

[drifting quest]

which means what

[honest hill]

let's just say they both use arde

[drifting quest]

what is lr without khrav?

[lilac bloom]

the only element team that has anything like that is electic maybe

bc perlica is a large% of that team's damage output

but like

[drifting quest]

yvonne loses a lot less dropping from sig to next best options than lr does

[smoky quarry]

"- What is lav without forgeborn?

- Still 80% damage with umbral torch"

What do you think of this one?

[lilac bloom]

wheelchairs refer to a core of supports or other teammatws who synergize well with anyone independantly of that og character's kit

[drifting quest]

laev has similar issues yes

what is your point

[honest hill]

okay I get ur point but like can wedge yvonne + stanza gilberta beat lr krav?

[daring dove]

People don't care about 0 "cost" if they pulled Yvonne they'll use her if they like her. Cost conversations can get pretty toxic & coming from the Genshin scene where people used to pretend C6 4* characters where 0 cost. Some of these conversations start to become a little absurd. Ultimately LR is going to need another limited 6* for her best team in all likelihood in less than 10 days. We're at the very beginning of the game where people are simply pulling for the characters they like & want to use. Yes it's more likely to "cost" more to pull Yvonne / Gilverta, but a lot of people where pulling Gilberta regardless as she's great in a bunch of teams.

[smoky quarry]

I wasn't making any point, just asked

[honest hill]

not yet yes but one day methinks

[edgy crater]

dats unfair comparison tho

[smoky quarry]

Seems decent to me

[lilac bloom]

i fucking pray not

I WANT

50000 MORE ROSSIS

BEFORE WE GET A FURINA

[honest hill]

what would be fair then

[edgy crater]

cant

like really cant

[honest hill]

that's why we gotta keep complaining

[modern swift]

every 6 star is mid in comparison to my goat catcher

[honest hill]

fair catcher is better

[lyric latch]

Waiting 6* catcher

[edgy crater]

like its basically 1 op n its sig vs 2 op n their budget weap

[modern swift]

instead of zhuang in 1.2 I need a catcher alter

[lyric latch]

Mi Fu Defender with Parry Mechanics

[modern swift]

Mi Fu is a fraud

[edgy crater]

or rather shuo, which one shittier, dark lung lr or wedge yvonne, solo

[drifting quest]

lr easier

lmao

[edgy crater]

dats why lmao

[drifting quest]

lung lr is so bad comparatively

[honest hill]

ye it's bad

[edgy crater]

there nothing else close to khrav lol

[drifting quest]

yes

[honest hill]

krav is broken

[lyric latch]

where is Khrav 2?

[honest hill]

it doesn't exist

[smoky quarry]

You can't even proc art burst on lr

unfair comparison

how about sundered prince

[drifting quest]

what

[edgy crater]

u can dfq

[smoky quarry]

She consumes cold stacks as soon as there's 3, right?

[drifting quest]

arts burst is when you apply an infliction of the same type to the existing stack

[honest hill]

she can still do arts burst

[outer ermine]

.lookinside

[crystal coral]

https://media.discordapp.net/attachments/956086663447207956/1460761780866519173/T3R.png?ex=696817ec&is=6966c66c&hm=513939e651da4684d6bdcc0e9f34ed325e5410f4168763af633d92aa9e3de81c&=&format=webp&quality=lossless&width=406&height=404

[drifting quest]

1 > 2
2 > 3
3 > 4

all proc arts burst

[smoky quarry]

oh...

[honest hill]

if only the game explained this better

[smoky quarry]

I thought that arts burst is 4 and beyond

sorry, I can't read

I'm endfield player

[honest hill]

idr at any point of playing the game it tells u what arts burst arts reaction is

[quasi quarry]

im ngl I thought this too at the start of the game

[honest hill]

hnaf u used a dif kekw from me

[smoky quarry]

is this pic genuine ragebait?

I see that it's used only in derogatory manner

[drifting quest]

welcome to endfield official

[quasi quarry]

i only realised it wasnt like that when I got det unit and I started to use it

[smoky quarry]

Damn, now detonation unit makes way more sense than oblivion on perlica

day 1 player btw ✌️

[edgy crater]

on who? n which team

dats too vague lmao

[smoky quarry]

Avywenna - Perlica - Arclight/Akekuri - Antal/Gilberta

[gritty briar]

i've assumed this too at some point

[oak vigil]

Oblivion is only useful in the case of if you are making an arts unit DPS, since it only buffs the said unit who equipped it

[edgy crater]

oh yeah, its deto on anthal/perlica

[smoky quarry]

As I said before, I thought arts burst is art overflow

cause of the way game described it