theorycrafting

[elfin smelt]

I might become a sheet enjoyer soon, grab some numbers to back me up

[ashen scroll]

I dont like your pfp , so i will ignore you due to my personal principle

But sometimes amazing thing always happen after you hit 0 sanity especialy tru for arknights games

[summer flower]

Jelly

[compact bridge]

Sometimes my sanity is like 360/360 and i dont bother to touch it lol

[vale ice]

endmin combo mastery lvlup increases crush?

[ashen scroll]

Crime punishable by balding

[hollow wyvern]

p1 yvonne rn just makes it less punishing if you mess up right?

any chance that with tangtang it could actually speed things up meaningfully?

[ashen scroll]

Apparently tangtang fix yvone issue based on recent chat, i dont really use her outside growth chamber

[summer flicker]

more like p1 yvonne fix the 219/220 rot

doesnt give any new rotation

or more like no new useful rot

[hollow wyvern]

which rot is that

[summer flicker]

3 infliction -> 1 bs 1 infliction -> 1bs

and 6 battle skill team wide

[signal sundial]

They should add og ak into endfield as the PC client as side content

[ashen scroll]

Ak player still daydreaming about that ?? Lmao

[hollow wyvern]

does p1 shave off 1 infliction?

[gaunt mason]

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you could try this for rhod speedrunning

[dawn patrol]

this game is so chopped omg no game in my game

[summer flicker]

could do that, or save off 1 battle skill

[signal sundial]

They teased it tho

[hollow wyvern]

is that setup worse than the pinned 3 yvonne bs setup?

[signal sundial]

But global is run by yostar so gg

[hollow wyvern]

ig that setup might not even work if no alesh for ult

[summer flicker]

the pin setup is good too

[dawn patrol]

once you've seen arknights cn you'll never stop wanting to beat yostar to death with your bare hands

[hollow wyvern]

rn I'm debating whether I basically burn my first time topups for p1 or just save

[summer flicker]

p1 fix some setup with 219/220

[summer flicker]

just save, it isnt that much of different

[drifting quest]

219 energy yvonne setup is simply skill issue

[summer flicker]

219 6 battle skill i hate to see that

[ashen scroll]

Just play jp bro

[hollow wyvern]

ER body piece solves the same issue as P1 right?

[drifting quest]

Yes

But still

[ashen scroll]

Wait is same sht

Jp also no hope

[drifting quest]

Just go practice a real rotation

[summer flicker]

ye, you can just fight rohan to test your rot

[hollow wyvern]

I think I've done a proper rotation less than 5 times total, idk how ppl line up ults to break bars

[signal sundial]

Yes gotta play cn for PC client

But muh progression

[summer flicker]

different boss have different break bars sadly

😭

[hollow wyvern]

I barely use yvonne ult bc I can't get it to line up remotely close to break, so uh... I just keep saving it

but with tt I'm wondering if I actually should care about ult speed now

[summer flicker]

ye i just keep doing random stuff till the boss break

ye no,

[odd wren]

The last part he didnt crush?

[summer flicker]

content is easy af

unless you speedrun

[hollow wyvern]

refund skills give less energy to team right

[summer flicker]

yes

[hollow wyvern]

so tt skill gonna be like LR skill and give less?

[gaunt mason]

they did

got hidden by cutscene

[hollow wyvern]

how much excess energy does the pinned rotation have rn

[summer flicker]

unknown/unsure how much the refund

[odd wren]

I see so ult before crush huh

[dawn patrol]

get yo tc up

[drifting quest]

15sp per pool is a good rough guess, real value may differ

Exact tt timeline isnt known though so

[hollow wyvern]

I'm kinda worried that with sp return, changing 1 xaihi skill into tt skill is a bit of a loss, on top of losing free ult app (I won't be tt ult diving), gonna hurt gen even more

so the pinned rota might not even work with tt

[summer flicker]

the rot in pin is 1 1 2 infliction
so that's 10 + 30 + 10 + 30 + 10 + 30x2 =150
there r battle skill, so that's 6x6.5 = 39
2 combo for yvonne: 20 + 20 = 40
total: 229

wait there is 6

my eyes decieve me

[hollow wyvern]

that's quite tight

p1 would be +30 energy yeah?

[summer flicker]

yes

229

should be fine i guess

[hollow wyvern]

I think I saw somewhere that no alesh ult setup ver needs ER piece or extra gilb skill

[gaunt mason]

might be easier to wait until the update so you don’t have to go recharge ults before every run

[odd wren]

True

[summer flicker]

yes, you need 1 extra stack somewhere if no alesh ult

[hollow wyvern]

[summer flicker]

but the ult cost is relatively cheap

[hollow wyvern]

sure I can get that from tt dive, but then I'm back to saving ult

only hope is if tt ult whirlpools last a long time

[gaunt mason]

i think you have to experiment with the rotation though not sure how p5 gv affects it, crush -> ult or ult -> crush

[hollow wyvern]

then I get best of both worlds

[drifting quest]

TT isnt extra stacks over alesh without sp spending

[hollow wyvern]

diving during her ult is free cryo app 0 cost

[summer flicker]

tangtang is exactly like alesh

but with art sus

and potentially better weapon buff

[hollow wyvern]

problem is that you gotta dive, plus the arts app cancels out gilb ult app

[drifting quest]

Its why she might not make the team

[odd wren]

Lul this is faster

[hollow wyvern]

surely I use her over alesh regardless just for the ult freeze

[gaunt mason]

this is basically a da pan carry team

[drifting quest]

Ult freeze is

[hollow wyvern]

diveless she shouldn't be that much worse in buffing, even if arts sus is low, and gonna be comfier

[summer flicker]

ye if you like the qol, then you can pull her

[drifting quest]

Yeah its pure qol

[odd wren]

True that lmao

[drifting quest]

Valid to pull for qol

[summer flicker]

she has aoe dmg, freeze, slow enemies, incrrease own mv%

[drifting quest]

But tc perspective the qol isnt much of a factor

[summer flicker]

pure qol

[odd wren]

Ok dled them so can learn visually

[drifting quest]

Since optimal team rotations can ignore it

[summer flicker]

cuz tc assume perfection

[odd wren]

The fk bilibili

[hollow wyvern]

I trimmed the fights (although some were close) with basically no ults or poorly timed ults

so like for me

being able to ult whenever

prob doubles my dmg if not more

[summer flicker]

i didnt trim triangle boss, cringe boss so i skip for now

ima use tangtang ult to lock him up and make him not run away 😭

[hollow wyvern]

I ulted asap first phase, then... did the other 2 phases no ults

went through 2 mob phases bc of it

still somehow trimmed, prob barely

by the time a phase breaks, bro's almost dead, so I just save ult for next phase... and repeat

so I really dunno how useful p1 yvonne gonna be, bc I basically never ult asap these days

[dawn patrol]

so long until rossi banner i'm tweaking

[summer flicker]

if you want to ult asap, replace1 kit and use redeemer seal

[hollow wyvern]

in this setup, using a max artifice body piece for ER, how much total energy would it be

I wanna get an idea of how much you get from ER piece vs p1

[summer flicker]

just times the 229 with the max artifice body ult%

im not open the game rn

[hollow wyvern]

idk how much that is

[signal sundial]

I think my winning Doritos run was me applying ardelia cs right as it turned invisible and ran away so the explosion instantly revealed it

[summer flicker]

what the base

ult eff%

without artifice

and then just x1.3

[hollow wyvern]

12.3%

[summer flicker]

16%

[peak void]

14

[summer flicker]

Huh, wtf

😭

[hollow wyvern]

so +32

[summer flicker]

isnt that so suck, i thought all just x1.3

[hollow wyvern]

still more than p1 then

it affects all incoming energy sources right

[summer flicker]

yes

ult eff affect all energy source

[hollow wyvern]

.. maybe new gear set gives MI option with ER

that would let me keep slab

[hollow wyvern]

I really don't wanna lose slab...

[summer flicker]

idk, it seems to be 16% on the data site

[hollow wyvern]

[summer flicker]

too lazy to open game

[summer flicker]

ye just dont

[hollow wyvern]

16% would be +36

[summer flicker]

just ult when the boss break

[hollow wyvern]

so basically never?

[summer flicker]

yu should have enough energy when boss break tho

[hollow wyvern]

at this point I think imma get tt, unless first day tc has some part of her kit being dealbreaker

it's really just yvonne p1 or not in addition to it

[summer flicker]

tang tang is cute, so i pull

tangtang prolly and should buff more than alesh

a 5 star

surely kekkkk

kekw

[hollow wyvern]

I don't think you can cleanly fit tt into pinned rota over alesh without having ER or extending rotation

or giving up on ult lineup

surely gonna need extra skill in there

[summer flicker]

depend on how much the sp return is

[hollow wyvern]

even excluding it, losing the free alesh ult app is dealbreaker no?

extending rotation length

[summer flicker]

229 which is like 6 energy extra aka almost 1 whole skill return

[summer flicker]

? tangtang ult

can app

too

tangtang is exactly like alesh

[hollow wyvern]

-30?

[summer flicker]

no

because she still -100 sp for 1 cyro in her bs

[hollow wyvern]

if I app with tt ult then I waste gilb app as well as tt app (reaction)

[summer flicker]

unknown the return

[hollow wyvern]

or I don't freeze enemy during yvonne ult

or I drop gilb

[summer flicker]

her buff seems to last for like 10s, or 15s, ult before that

[hollow wyvern]

ig that's the other possibility

[summer flicker]

let me count the buff time

[hollow wyvern]

I need the 4-5 sec ult freeze tho

and gilb is ulting basically same time as well

both during yvonne ult, so I can't yvonne skill inbetween

so they both end up wasted

unless the ult puddles last longer

but even then I lose the free app

since then I gotta skill for the app

[proud vector]

Oh is this Yvonne Tangtang ult

[hollow wyvern]

yeah

[summer flicker]

20:13 is when apply, 20:15 is when its go to 1/8 of the square

so its like 15s

16s?

[proud vector]

Yeah it looks sorta rough

[hollow wyvern]

debuff duration is fairly long yeah, that's not what I'm worried about tho

[proud vector]

I thought people just battle skilled on Tang2 to cyro apply anyways

[summer flicker]

corrosion

wdym you cant

[proud vector]

So it didn’t matter if ult isn’t triggered with dive

[summer flicker]

you can ult tangtang first

and then ult gilb

[hollow wyvern]

then I'm not getting any app from tt ult

[summer flicker]

but that way you lsoe 1 infliction

[hollow wyvern]

bc it's used up before yvonne can use it

[summer flicker]

so you have to extend your rotation a bit

[hollow wyvern]

so then still lost energy from free app

[proud vector]

Even if you Yvonne ult first ?

[hollow wyvern]

yeah extended rota at the end of the day

[summer flicker]

he means, use the iana rotation, replace alesh with tangtang

[proud vector]

Might be able to set it up such that you can finish Yvonne ult and then dive

[summer flicker]

but now tangtang ult after yvonne ult, aka -1 alesh ult

[proud vector]

Ah sorry I’m missing context

[summer flicker]

so a lost of 1 infliction

[proud vector]

Yeah hmmm

You’d have to trade the CC away and pre-empt maybe

[summer flicker]

it more or so depend if you can do a additional tangtang skill

[hollow wyvern]

optimal is to trade the cc for sure

but I can't do that, I want the freeze

or else I just almost never yvonne ult like rn

[summer flicker]

or just tangtang ult right before you yvonne skill

[proud vector]

Truly a tragedy that the cyro is backended

[summer flicker]

the same as alesh

[proud vector]

Instead of front loaded

[hollow wyvern]

that prob depends if the freeze cancels the move enemy is doing, resulting in a bit of time while they recover and prep next move, will need to wait for release for that tho

if not, I would want to tt ult near tail end of yvonne ult to get final hit

[summer flicker]

but you want to ult tt before

since it apply sus

[proud vector]

Hmm

You may need to deadzone TT ult

[hollow wyvern]

I'm prob just doing a tt skill before that tho

but if the sus scales it'll be the min amount

1 pool so 2 spouts

[summer flicker]

so that a extra 100 sp needed

i dont know how tight the sp on this rotation

[hollow wyvern]

it replacex xaihi skill

[proud vector]

Basically carry over a Tangtang cyro from the previous rotation into the start of your next one

[summer flicker]

[hollow wyvern]

so 1 xaihi 1 tt skill instead of 2 xaihi

[proud vector]

Oh god replacing a Xaihi skill

[summer flicker]

no it cant, because

you glb ult -> nature inf

[hollow wyvern]

surely xiranite xaihi can afford to lose a skill?

[proud vector]

And the 5 seconds of shred

And ult energy

[hollow wyvern]

or I just get rid of gilb

[proud vector]

And detonate unit

[hollow wyvern]

maybe it's less of a headache even if tt sus is low

[proud vector]

gilb and Xaihi are

BEEG NUMBAH Ladies

You kinda need them aaaaa, their buffs are just massive

[summer flicker]

gilb is 30 + like 2 vulv stack aka 36 sus

kekw

[hollow wyvern]

another cryo support pls, we don't have enough cryo limited units

[summer flicker]

imagine losing 36sus

[hollow wyvern]

gimme another gun one

[proud vector]

Plus are you really gonna NOT lift to pop your level 3?4? Solidification?

[hollow wyvern]

man

so if I keep gilb

[summer flicker]

lvl 1 solidification

[hollow wyvern]

rn I either lose slab (ER body), or extend rota

[summer flicker]

since its force solidifi

[hollow wyvern]

or I get p1 and should keep rota

[proud vector]

Wait Yvonne doesn’t scale it up depending on

[summer flicker]

[proud vector]

Really??

[hollow wyvern]

in that case p1 should be pretty decent no?

[summer flicker]

it scale the battle skill dmg

[proud vector]

Holy shit is Yvonne terrible if that is the case

[summer flicker]

but force infliction is always 1 tho

[proud vector]

I always thought forced but consumed infliction is diff

How does electrification from arclight ult work?

I swear it increased the level of the electrification if it consumes

[summer flicker]

its like perlica electrification from her combo skill

[proud vector]

Who tested this?

HELP

[summer flicker]

baby electrification

[proud vector]

TESTER HELP US

[neon cave]

sorry it took a while

[drifting quest]

If it consumes stacks its level should increase

Per other people's statements

[proud vector]

thank you mahoraga Shuo

[summer flicker]

if you do for example 4 natureinfliction, and then electric infliction -> ist lvl 4 electrification

unsure about arclight

since i dont know about her

[drifting quest]

Those that don't consume stacks are level 1 (or level 2 in p4 perlica case)

[summer flicker]

if its force solidication/electrification, ... its lvl 1 unless stated other wise

[drifting quest]

I mean like

[summer flicker]

yvonne consume cyro/nature, but turn that into force solidication

[drifting quest]

Just go test it

[proud vector]

I think there is a distinction between forced and consume infliction to apply

[summer flicker]

so its still lvl 1 solid

yes

[proud vector]

Yes plz I am Yvonneless

[dry kindle]

shouldnt be

[summer flicker]

ima test it

[drifting quest]

Would not shock me if every interaction is coded differently

Status quo for this game lmao

[summer flicker]

its a "forced" so should be lvl1

[dry kindle]

just record triggering it on a lv4 nature

actually wait trial exists

1 sec

[summer flicker]

does solidfication even do dmg tho

[elfin smelt]

I need to give some love to my Da Pan and Snowshine

[proud vector]

It should

Just grab like idk an Estella to shatter for you to make it easier

[summer flicker]

or maybe its forced solification

[summer flicker]

oh shatter is per solidification lvl

ic

[dry kindle]

i just time it

🗿

[proud vector]

Lemme fetch

Formula

[summer flicker]

ok let me try with 2 stack of nature to see if dmg diff

[elfin smelt]

it'll be better if someone has the actual chance of oroberyl/arsenal spawning per refresh but oh well

[dry kindle]

inb4 the trial team doesnt even have gilberta

oh fml it doesnt

[proud vector]

No the base solidify should scale with inflictions as well

[summer flicker]

huh it does scale or sth, let me do 4 infliction

[drifting quest]

[dry kindle]

It scales

[elfin smelt]

seems like manual switching vs afk dijiang dont make that much of a difference

cos the uptime for the best combo is pretty long anyway

[summer flicker]

huh it does scale

wtf, so some times forced infliction scale level

wtf game

😭

[dry kindle]

if its consume it scales

[neon cave]

yea, thats upper end afk too tho

XD credits-wise, getting clue exchange makes a gigantic difference compared to having the best team

but having the best team also means you can probably proc clue exchange more often since you'll be generating around 3.2 clues per day instead of just 1.2 per day

[proud vector]

This is the process to gain wisdom

You are a more knowledgeable Yvonne user now

[dry kindle]

pipebomb

[proud vector]

Also back to original topic, yeah you lose shatter on solidify if you bench gilb

pain

[elfin smelt]

yea clue exchanging alone gives you 700 credits in the best case already xd

[summer flicker]

well it isnt that much dmg

[proud vector]

build around it I dare you

Full intensity gilb

[summer flicker]

nah, im broke

im waiting for tangtang

[proud vector]

Understandable have a nice day

[summer flicker]

😭 😭

[proud vector]

[dry kindle]

that doesnt work but ok

[drifting quest]

Crazy on the tangtang downscale

Since the stream

[neon cave]

whats really funny is i have 4 Clue7s i generated AND 4 Clue7s given to me, and no one in mmy friends list neeeds a clue7

and only one person had a last rite stationeed in their cabin which gave a rate up

[warm galleon]

Hope I get more Yvon dupe on my way to 120 tangtang

[proud vector]

Really?

[hollow wyvern]

gonna sleep on it, I might end up with p1 Yvonne and wallet a bit lighter tomorrow

[summer flicker]

same

[drifting quest]

Yeah a lot of the stuff in the trailer that looked good is not quite as good on rereview

[summer flicker]

2 gilb dupes is good too

[drifting quest]

Depends entirely on her numbers now

[elfin smelt]

clue 7 is always a myth to this day

[summer flicker]

ye now she is basically alesh

[drifting quest]

They gotta be good enough

[proud vector]

Examples including interaction with Yvonne ult?

[summer flicker]

but art sus, and unknwon weapon buff

[proud vector]

Or is stuff I’m missing?

[summer flicker]

surely she is better than a 5*

kekw

[proud vector]

Yeah that was kinda in the back of my head at some point as well

[drifting quest]

She doesnt stack as well as assumed
Sp return ruins rots
Interactions with gilb are rough

Cant use ult for yvonne ult properly

Etc

[summer flicker]

ye you have to use her ult the same as alesh

just for the infliction

[proud vector]

The best way to still CC is to do it late into Yvonne ult to dive after

But apparently that’s horrible

I think because of Gilb interference

[warm galleon]

She's just there for ult I guess, like how Gilb is just there for ult on other comp

[drifting quest]

You have nature infliction

So you solidify the solidified enemy

[proud vector]

there is no winning

[drifting quest]

And waste stacks

[summer flicker]

or you corrosion

[drifting quest]

2 stacks wasted is brutal

[summer flicker]

and waste 2 stack

kekw

[proud vector]

Don’t tell me Alesh gaps Tangtang in Yvonne

That would send people spiraling lmfao

[drifting quest]

He will at this rate

Depends on numbers tho

[unreal light]

why

[summer flicker]

depend on her buff

[proud vector]

Alesh haters gonna unite and form a union

[safe sand]

does tang tang give 15% atk on rare fish

[summer flicker]

is > alesh or not

[dry kindle]

and sig

[safe sand]

thats what I thought

[dry kindle]

except shes a caster handgun

so its bleak

[summer flicker]

ye waiting for sig number,and art sus

[hollow wyvern]

Freeze alone worth it, I'll make her work

[proud vector]

Poor Tangtang

[summer flicker]

surely 16% art sus, 22.4% atk on sig

[proud vector]

LR teams don’t need her explicitly either

[summer flicker]

the cope

[warm galleon]

Give Yvon gun to Tang, look she's the dps main field now

[dry kindle]

she doesnt have consume right

[proud vector]

So that’s also rough

[hollow wyvern]

Whether it's extended rota or p1 Yvonne

[safe sand]

wait do we have tang tang numbers? or what's the newest info that's got people coping

[summer flicker]

no

no number yet

[drifting quest]

Its okay bp tangtang wep will be pistols stanza

Trust

[proud vector]

Interactions and timing of ult

[summer flicker]

i wish i can be that hopium

[safe sand]

Ic

[proud vector]

Yvonne ult locks you into Yvonne only and importantly disables your jump button LOL

[dry kindle]

no consume

gg

no clannibal cope

[proud vector]

Which means that it’s a bit hard to use Tangtang ult second part

[summer flicker]

😭 the way i saw it at best is gilb bp weapon tier

[proud vector]

[drifting quest]

It'll be a personal dps weapon

[safe sand]

can't even use Yvonne teams because I have a p0 xaihi

lol

[drifting quest]

If we aren't meme coping

[proud vector]

Please no

That will give DPS Flourite players ideas

[summer flicker]

they did say she perfect as dmg dealer and support

[proud vector]

and we don’t want any more of that

[dry kindle]

is the weapon itself not in the datamine

[hollow wyvern]

No dive tt is essentially app only LR but with ult cc and sus

[drifting quest]

Dps fluor players when the wep gives cryo dmg%

[summer flicker]

so bp prolly the damage dealer weapon

kekw

[drifting quest]

Wep yes essence no

[proud vector]

…… maybe I am just low Iq LOL

Wait is it actually cyro secondary stat?

[lyric latch]

in the video she gains Cryo DMG buff everytime she herself applies cryo, probably weapon effect?

[drifting quest]

We dont know

[unreal light]

true

[drifting quest]

Almost certainly

[dry kindle]

[hollow wyvern]

I think I heard someone say that she gained a self buff on cryo app, might be wep

[proud vector]

I swear it was ||agi ATK detonate|| according to arcane knowledge

[drifting quest]

Thats her sig

[hollow wyvern]

Maybe check if it's also team buff

[drifting quest]

Not bp

[proud vector]

OH

I’m on the wrong topic

fuck me it’s so easy to get lost in here sometimes

[warm galleon]

Don't worry p5 Tangtang will fix her for yvon

[proud vector]

[drifting quest]

Potentials do solve issues

[hollow wyvern]

Only herself or also team

[proud vector]

What like an auto use dive attack as part of ult potential?

I mean that can exist

[drifting quest]

Prob too good

[elfin smelt]

wait that's so anti synergy lmao

[drifting quest]

Of a potential

[hollow wyvern]

Surely tt p1 not that important

[summer flicker]

or like insta pop ult

[wind nebula]

Can't you just... Delay using tangtang Ult to get the window to dive

[proud vector]

Yeah I don’t see hyperglyph doing this, they shy away thankfully from kit altering too hard potentials

[drifting quest]

Yes but you lose the qol selling point of her ult for yvonne

[proud vector]

Runs into issues with Gilb ult having nature infliction on it

[hollow wyvern]

You also gotta fit in Yvonne skill in-between to not waste ult apps

[proud vector]

It’s very very hard to slot in nicely basically

[warm galleon]

Potential 2-4 are usually extension of base passives, which is yah second passive pot

[wind nebula]

Most of Yvonne damage is in the part where she locks in right? Is that longer than 4 seconds?

[proud vector]

Yeah….

Or close, I haven’t timed it myself

[lyric latch]

herself or controlled. dont know but only one was getting the buff

[summer flicker]

the first 3s is low dmg, the last 5s is the big one

yvonne ult is like 8s

[hollow wyvern]

Vid always had tt controlled right? So we dunno

[proud vector]

Man this news is not going to spread anywhere fast or wide enough is it?

[hollow wyvern]

Do we have weps that only buff controlled

[proud vector]

people with Yvoone are gonna think Tangtang will save her

I mean if no gilb a lot of the issues are kinda ok if you use TT at the end

But also no gilb

[outer ermine]

lr revenge arc

[drifting quest]

You have to delay it until you can yvonne skill > plunge

Else you waste stacks

[hollow wyvern]

She partially saves her, just gotta give something up

[summer flicker]

she will have like a trillion art sus

trust

[wind nebula]

Time the use around a mini stagger

[proud vector]

the Gilbless Yvonne users will be saved

[drifting quest]

Again, wastes the qol

[summer flicker]

[drifting quest]

Otherwise it works

[proud vector]

Maybe they just have to waste the QoL which sucks ass

[hollow wyvern]

Basically impossible to get all of tt value

[drifting quest]

If numbers are good enough then yeah

[summer flicker]

ye, either good rotaiton, or waste qol

[drifting quest]

She just gets ran anyway despite issues

[summer flicker]

[lyric latch]

TT will outdps Yvon and LR in her own personal hypercarry team trust

[compact bridge]

Gilberta ult buff only 5s, cant buff all of that

[proud vector]

FCK FCK FCK NO NO NO

[summer flicker]

so you usually see ppl ult the last 5s

[proud vector]

There are gonna be people saying run Yvonne TangTang LR

[drifting quest]

Lmao

[proud vector]

fuck fuck fuck

[drifting quest]

Sp return cinema

[summer flicker]

[outer ermine]

triple dps>double dps

[hollow wyvern]

Add in fluo

[summer flicker]

1 ult rot or i dead team

[wind nebula]

I don't understand this "waste the QoL" narrative.

If there existed easily accessible 8 second stuns people wouldn't be complaining about enemies moving out of her Ult. Seems obvious the play is to chain existing downtime or stuns into a tang tang Ult to extend the window

[proud vector]

The Stew meeting special

[compact bridge]

Add xiahi for mono cryo team

[drifting quest]

I mean yeah if you're not minmaxxing value (you are in a tc channel) then none of this matters, none of it ever does

Run mono cryo

Run laev tangtang

Doesnt matter

[proud vector]

I will say that you can optionally choose to FCk over your rotation for QoL

And recover rotation through cutscene magic or downtime

[summer flicker]

i mean, not that much tho

[hollow wyvern]

Or p1

[summer flicker]

just make her exactly the same as alesh

kekw

alesh promax

[proud vector]

Yea it’s a fixable amount of deviation

[hollow wyvern]

P1 should let you still run pinned rota with tt

[proud vector]

But like that’s when you want QoL no?

When without it you get shitty uptime anyways

[summer flicker]

if you use tt as the ult bot

then its basically the same

nothing change

[proud vector]

Having the option to use for QoL or just rotation is not the worst

[summer flicker]

kekw

[proud vector]

It’s modularity

[neon cave]

added best dijiang but the rest bonus didnt line up / no investment in control nexus

down by another 15creds only

[proud vector]

I like modularity

[summer flicker]

the same as alesh

1 ult for 1 cyro

and that's it

[proud vector]

Look it’s Alesh in emergencies

[summer flicker]

ye

[hollow wyvern]

Replace atk buff with sus, wallet a bit lighter, that's the diff

[summer flicker]

that's what i've been saying

she is alesh promax

with potentially better buff

but let see

if hg fumble this girl

kekw

[proud vector]

lord

[summer flicker]

surely she>alesh

[proud vector]

Imagine if Tangtang bombs and Rossi is op

[summer flicker]

no way she = alesh or <alesh

[proud vector]

[hollow wyvern]

Cryo curse surely not

[summer flicker]

that would be so cooked

[summer flicker]

[drifting quest]

Technically if you just drop alesh for tt

The buff value is worse

Per current info

[summer flicker]

cuz we dont know her weapon buff, and how much art sus

😭

[drifting quest]

Tt either needs more buffing or sufficient personal damage

The latter is more likely

[proud vector]

God is she even Alesh level

Alesh recovers SP

[summer flicker]

she return sp

kekw

[dry kindle]

6* caster so probablyTM

[wind nebula]

She's a caster, she's gonna have personal damage

[dry kindle]

inb4 ult gen slave

[drifting quest]

Wulfgard fluorite:

[hollow wyvern]

Losing frontier on top

[summer flicker]

xaihi has like 0 persoanl

[wind nebula]

She's supporter

[summer flicker]

oh mb

[drifting quest]

Perlica is the only caster with good personal damage rn

[proud vector]

You didn’t have to hit with the hard facts

[drifting quest]

I would expect tangtang to have good personal damage but

[proud vector]

Though she resembles Perlica more than the other—- SHIT PERLICA is the only one WITHOUT a gun!

It’s cursed

[drifting quest]

Far from guaranteed right now

[proud vector]

It’s so cooked

[summer flicker]

im hoping her sig is good comparable to stanza

[proud vector]

It’s over for the stockade

[summer flicker]

kekw

nah its not over, her sig can save her

trust in the chief

[drifting quest]

She'll probably still be optimal

[proud vector]

[drifting quest]

But man she got downgraded from initial hype

Quite hard

[summer flicker]

[proud vector]

Disclaimer though, both Rossi and TangTang visually are so goddamn good

like Dayum they cooked

[hollow wyvern]

Optimal would just be separatimg her ult from Yvonne

[summer flicker]

she not beating alesh promax allegation

[drifting quest]

Yeah you just ult for stacks and some damage

[hollow wyvern]

So for those ulting Yvonne just fine rn, should be good

[wind nebula]

Flourite is good (for a 4 star without a proper team)

Wulfgard is good (for a 5 star who only hangs out with a greedy striker)

[drifting quest]

Sucks that you cant use gilb to buff most of tangtangs damage profile though

Definitely hurts her as well

[proud vector]

Maybe, the cyclones last a decent amount of time no?

Perhaps you can catch some of it

[summer flicker]

prolly not enough time

[proud vector]

There’s some stuff to cook once we have her and can test

For optimisation

[summer flicker]

since you want to wait at least 3s in yvonne ult before gilb ult anyway

maygipain

[drifting quest]

There are maybe some lines you can do it

But its not promising based on current info

[proud vector]

Yeahh

What about Rossi side of things, we are mostly just stuck on waiting for numbers yeah?

Not much improved or changed or discovered

[hollow wyvern]

Both doomposted atm

[summer flicker]

tangtang is more like

not good as the hype

still good ish moment

[wind nebula]

Both Flourite and Wulfgard are true to their caster design, with kits that both help others do damage and can make use of damage enhancements themselves.

Caster / Guard seem to be designed to be great subdps that play nicely together because they buff each other while doing solid damage. Performance gaps are primarily team/weapon availability and rarity based issues.

[drifting quest]

Tangtang isnt doomposted, at least compared to rossi

[hollow wyvern]

As in, slotting Rossi anywhere might be dmg loss?

[summer flicker]

https://tenor.com/view/arknights-endfield-tangtang-gif-4397327759285362468

[finite oriole]

im out of the loop. whats the case for doomposting rossi?

[summer flicker]

more like 0 team fitted for rossi rn, she like a hybrid char without a good use rn

[wind nebula]

Same reason new cards get doomposted before the next set releases.

They don't fit in existing decks so they get doomposted, except here it's teams

[outer ermine]

lizhiyan abt to save her ass

[drifting quest]

TC wise (aka pure minmax) her kit is pretty abysmal

If you stop caring about minmax she is fine

Important to disconnect the minmax from the actual game

Everything clears because game is so easy

[summer flicker]

ima still pull for rossi, cuz she's cute, and gonna build her later date when her real team drops

[drifting quest]

Rossi kit is cool, a lot of us like it

[summer flicker]

[drifting quest]

Its just not good at highest tier of minmax relative to existing kits

[summer flicker]

cuz resource rn is pretty restrictive

😭 😭

[lyric latch]

did anyone catch the time TT and Rossi need to finish their normal attack string?

[hollow wyvern]

High multis within reasonable bounds don't save her?

[proud vector]

LR setting such a strong standard on what a DPS can be tbh, as a standard 6*

[glass wind]

When are they releasing the full details of Tangtang and Rossi's kit like numbers

[drifting quest]

When the patch goes live

[wind nebula]

Why is the maximum potential output the "standard"?

Nvm misunderstood

[glass wind]

Thats like 8 days

[finite oriole]

im surprised rossi's double vuln stack is considered underwhelming

[drifting quest]

Because it's the only way you can really TC

[proud vector]

She’s a standard banner character

She is literally a standard

[drifting quest]

Issue is how many hoops you need to jump through to get it, to just be less efficient than 1 chen

[proud vector]

Yeah as any sort of subdps or ult slave she kinda falls short …. Potentially

The hope now is beeg number main dps

[terse valley]

no numbers

[wind nebula]

This is the only part of the culture I can't get behind.

Maximum potential being the "norm" and anything below being "bad" ruins the conversation, imo

[drifting quest]

Thats how theorycrafting is, trying to find the best thing

Team build will be closer to what you want if you dont care about minmax

[proud vector]

Theorycrafting doesn’t have a unified set of starting conditions or what you choose to maximise

Shuo likes to TC the ceiling of teams and that’s respectable

[compact bridge]

Thats because the arts operator that can inflict crush like gilberta is not released yet

[drifting quest]

Im going to be doing rossi tc fwiw

[proud vector]

But I don’t think even Shuo thinks that this is the end all be all of TC

[summer flower]

Because consideration is incorrect

[drifting quest]

Even if she doesnt optimise existing teams im still gonna chase the best rossi teams

[summer flower]

Without numbers we cannot tell if it's worse or not

[wind nebula]

Even within TC there exists things like T0, T0.5, T1

This does a good job at making the exceptional feel "Great" and many other teams and characters "good"

[proud vector]

Like shatter phys is not optimal in terms of “how do I do the most damage”

But I love the team to death and I will TC to maximise it

[drifting quest]

Anyone using tiers is not a 'proper' tc follower, tbf

[proud vector]

Ok now that be a little gatekeepy

[summer flower]

Ohh yea, get away with tiers

[drifting quest]

Everyone tends to hate them

[proud vector]

[drifting quest]

I quoted it for a reason

[summer flower]

It's not to gate keep

But it's like someone saying this brand of tools is bad don't use them in future

[drifting quest]

Exceptions will exist but there is a trend between people who tc and despising tier list content

[summer flower]

We saying it's not good, come look for better

[drifting quest]

I certainly haven't met anyone yet who likes tier lists and does their own tc

[summer flower]

This brand is bad don't buy into it

[proud vector]

I mean not wrong…

[wind nebula]

I just think it's toxic to your mental for the only "good* thing to be the best thing.

[summer flower]

It's like bringing overpriced malfunction bound drill to construction site

[compact bridge]

Most of the tierlist i see is the result of some paper tc

[hollow wyvern]

Isn't a tierlist just the result of someone else's tc (however good that is)

[drifting quest]

It's just one way to interact with the game

Most tier lists are pure vibes

[summer flower]

Bold to assume they did any TC

[proud vector]

The problem with tier lists is that often times they strip away the information about the assumptions, conditions, and optimising strategy away from the original TC

[drifting quest]

Some tier lists are based on clear records

[proud vector]

For one instance, Prydwen tends to value usability and noob friendliness which gets them shit on sometimes

[summer flower]

And where is ember on those?

[drifting quest]

[summer flower]

If ember isn't inflated on those then this statement isn't true

[neon cave]

speaking of that, do we have a list of all the operators' basic attack string duration?

[drifting quest]

Prydwen feels like throwing darts at the wall

[summer flower]

Ember be like A tier by that standard for physical

[drifting quest]

It doesnt make sense

[wind nebula]

Different games get different teams, so they each run under different rules

[summer flower]

End axis

[proud vector]

see? You mistake my meaning

I don’t mean “omg Prydwen values usability above all else!!!!”

[compact bridge]

Those people like to use shit gear as the standard, assuming everyone has it

[drifting quest]

There's no trend for prydwens that I can follow

[proud vector]

gah! It’s all obscured by the tier list!

[drifting quest]

Pure vibes

[proud vector]

All these assumptions and stuff isn’t visible!

[summer flicker]

[proud vector]

That’s why it’s hard to take a tier list seriously standalone

[glass wind]

I think I understand now. Rossi does works with Wulfang and Gilberta

[proud vector]

But like if a creator makes a tier list based only on speedkill times that’s technically very accurate

But if you take it out of context of that

It’s super super shit

[terse valley]

isn't that literally what they showcased in the devlog

[rare zodiac]

can find on Endaxis, but if you are looking for duration that have cancel, well you are out of luck

[summer flower]

No gear known to be used

[glass wind]

Yeah but did they explain it? Can u explain it to people

[summer flower]

We dunno if it's naked or full artifice

[terse valley]

okay I'm listening

[proud vector]

They kinda just dumped ults into an enemy and it exploded

[wind nebula]

Regardless, I was primarily advocating for the mindset and the framing. Max potential performance should be regarded as incredible and feel incredible.

Solid reliable performance should be considered good, but not as amazing as the best

[proud vector]

Pretty shit showcase all things considered

[summer flower]

Showcase did showcase moveset

Pretty good imo for this stage

[rare zodiac]

depend on what consider as base line

[drifting quest]

I mean what if a units max potential performance is below anothers solid reliable performance?

[wind nebula]

That's for the community to decide (if they can)

[proud vector]

Oh sorry this was example fight at the end, the kit showcase was great

[drifting quest]

Do you want people to still advocate?

[glass wind]

No the thing is Rossi also needs Combustion

[summer flower]

Didn't pay attention to that part

[summer flower]

You don't need 100% kit utilisation for operator

[proud vector]

Yeah it basically didn’t tell us anything new tbh

[wind nebula]

My understanding is rating by units is already a flawed approach in endfield.

You should rate teams

[rare zodiac]

i mean LR as a standard is very accurate imo, she is the base Striker

[summer flower]

There are teams with operators that do not use battleskill at all whole fight

[drifting quest]

Just as you cant compare units outside of comparisons in a single slot on a shared team
You cant compare differeny teams even with shared units, really

[proud vector]

LR is a decent standard because all players, no matter when they start the game or where they pull, have a chance of getting her and her sig

[wind nebula]

I think the ease of getting her potentials is skewing the comparison a bit, but I see where you're coming from

[compact bridge]

Lets set laeva performance as a baseline, i mean she is the first operator and got a good performance

[summer flower]

Ehh... And leava suffered at umbral 2/2

Also at umbral 1/1

Or was it different one?

[proud vector]

The other choice is well

[glass wind]

Gilberta usually marks Multiple enemies with Nature and Wulfgang uses combo skill afterwards marking them with combustion. The is Rossi can pretty much pick one target from the enemies to steal one infliction meaning there will still multiple enemies whos gonna get the combustion. Then Gilberta gonna use her Lift afterwards. If Rossi can do 3 Vult already, then that full combo would be 4 Stack Vult.

[proud vector]

Endmin Chen physical

Or shatter phys

[drifting quest]

Trying to set a giga generic baseline like that is going to get you laughed at by less polite people

[proud vector]

Since all players have access to that really

[summer flower]

Add crush from endmin you got full crush

[distant python]

ember in general, alesh in yvonne team, akekuri in general

[drifting quest]

You just cannot compare things like that

[summer flower]

But yea, I see using Rossi instead of lifeng I don't have

[wind nebula]

Why? To me the thing that makes all of this struggle to have meaning is the lack of a shared frame of reference

[summer flower]

If I can cast ultimate each cycle

Or every other I think

Can't remember vunl calc right now

[lyric latch]

Perlica literally the Combo bot

[distant python]

does perlica not use skill in electric team for det unit proc?

[drifting quest]

What are you comparing by? Dps? Dpsp? Dpr? Clear speed? Ease of use? Cost? Skill ceiling? Damage per screenshot?

What rotation assumptions are shared? What is allowed to divert?

And a hundred more questions

[summer flower]

I have team in which perlica is there and never BS

It's Phys/elec team

Endmin + Chen, perlica + avyenna

[gritty olive]

Im gonna try this

[compact bridge]

Most of the tc is just dps vs dps

[gritty olive]

[distant python]

where sp

[drifting quest]

In what context

[gritty olive]

Theres a reason why tcers discourage comparing different sheets, even theirs to other of their sheets

[summer flower]

Chen endmin is getting most, avyenna gets for use of spears single one

[proud vector]

ok
If you are talking about frames of reference, first RESPECT everyone’s frame of reference even if they are different from yours

Is mathematical dps optimal not a frame of reference??

[drifting quest]

Ive yet to see any

That are direct dps v dps

[summer flower]

Avyenna stacks spears with her and perlica's combos

Then gets single SP bar to use that

[gritty olive]

Ok

Ill try to not ebs during laev ult for ultspam

See where it lands

[wind nebula]

My argument is coming from disappointment in the inherent systemic DISRESPECT built into a framing that regards only the best as good and all others bad

[drifting quest]

Thats all tc in any game

You can choose to ignore it

[wind nebula]

Hmm

[compact bridge]

I mean, back when im still playing genshin people always compare the new character team dps to raiden national dps lol

[summer flower]

Worse I would say is saying something is bad before it's out

[rare zodiac]

are you talking to me or u just chat on the wrong one

[drifting quest]

Genshin is a fundamentally different game though

[glass wind]

I need an Arts unit that apply Elemental Infliction.

[summer flower]

Unless it's what Devs read and then they change it

Then Dooming is saviour not enemy

[drifting quest]

SP alone makes endfield incomparable to genshin

[compact bridge]

Yeah endfield is kinda new so not a lot can be done yet

Even in Arknights i rarely see any tc

[summer flower]

Is even genshin with AI on field?

[distant python]

combo skills and teambuilding fun

[drifting quest]

Base ak has a ton of tc

[warm galleon]

Gotta wait for limited p5 6star battery operator

[drifting quest]

Its just all chinese

[proud vector]

Shuo I know we joked about the disclaimer on opinions stuff

But maybe actually using it every once in a while LOL

[drifting quest]

I was going to ask opal to pin something

When I see them next

Id make a modmail but they dont answer modmails

[drifting quest]

No

[tranquil cedar]

Myrthl 4 star reco when?

[summer flower]

Yea, then genishin is too far of for even good comparison

[drifting quest]

Yes

[proud vector]

[wind nebula]

By this logic, the conclusions being shared about Rossi's expected poor performance would also be unfitting for the channel

[drifting quest]

Endfield doesnt have another game to compare to

[drifting quest]

They somewhat are, somewhat aren't

[tranquil cedar]

FF7 remake

[proud vector]

Well yeah? Theorycrafting is populated by feelscrafters me included

[glass wind]

I kinda need a motorcycle

[gritty olive]

ok its worse

[drifting quest]

We have some numbers to tc with

[gritty olive]

nvm its worse lol

[proud vector]

Most of what I say here isn’t theorycrafting at all

[drifting quest]

[summer flicker]

[summer flower]

So does Rossi even have gear set in devlog?

[gritty olive]

ultspam with no ebs

[proud vector]

Now I can be a bit more educated as a feelscrafter and not fall into the obvious optimisation pitfalls

But I haven’t number crunched

[gritty olive]

ultspam with ebs

so yeah dont

you can only forgo ebs with p5

[proud vector]

I have no real point of reference to really begin to compare stuff objectively

[tranquil cedar]

Dat is a spraesheet

[proud vector]

It’s all subjective

[summer flower]

What spreadsheet is that?

[lyric latch]

Pretty sure she was using Mi Security based on her buffs

[proud vector]

and honestly that’s fine by me!

[proud vector]

But I ain’t a real theorycrafter yet

[tranquil cedar]

[proud vector]

Not until I put in the elbow grease

[gritty olive]

im recording later

its just me yapping about these sheets

[tranquil cedar]

[gritty olive]

https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/1vC6E28yPxMGF0YHkYeDwBqfpICBM8d0W9KgYWp2Ptbg/edit?gid=245588407#gid=245588407

[chilly bolt]

Ive been wondering does M3 basic or M3 combo is better if im going to M9 laevatin

[tranquil cedar]

Maybe i should check that and actually try to trime i crisis

[gritty olive]

since youre stalling here for a lot of time, youd see a big representation for basic attack damage

[tranquil cedar]

[gritty olive]

personally i did m9 with r9 basic, but ill m12 later

[wind nebula]

I just know that it's a daily experience running into people misunderstanding the difference between "TC bad" and "actually bad". I guess it's a problem for a reason though, doesn't seem to be an easy solution with the culture so deeply ingrained

[gritty olive]

"blackswan only 10% better than sampo"

[chilly bolt]

Like everyone says combo>basic but the graph shows only 9% on combo

[proud vector]

Yeah uh

We get some very…. Spirited characters in here

Remember that guy who went several hours about what was it

Gilb sig?

[gritty olive]

refer again to the statement you replied to

[proud vector]

[summer flicker]

[wind nebula]

Must've missed that

[drifting quest]

People just treat what they hear as black and white

Like im not going to add a disclaimer to every message i send its not practical

[gritty olive]

• we dont know when combo cd being slashed by a second is going to be very relevant

[summer flower]

https://tenor.com/view/vietnam-flashback-traumatized-cat-gif-7852054576948114551

My mind when I read gilb and remembered potentials

[gritty olive]

m3 combo is just a provocative action because people might see a better combo later down the lime that works with an m3 combo

[drifting quest]

If I say rossi is bad id hope most people can understand the nuance tied to it being in this channel

[outer ermine]

rossi bad

[proud vector]

there’s a lot more people asking dumb stuff and just strapping down and not budging when explained to that they are wrong than actually receptive people unfortunately

[gritty olive]

rossi is bad and you will breathe your last in hours

[summer flicker]

rossi bad

[gritty olive]

[proud vector]

Rossi is cute

[summer flower]

Rossi could be same as lifeng or better depending on stats

[warm galleon]

Well since it's you, p5 fixes her

[summer flower]

For phys team

[tranquil cedar]

Bad relative to everything else doesn't mean unplayable

[proud vector]

So yeah sorry that the community is spiky here

[summer flower]

Unless link is such difference, but link doesn't work on crush damage itself

[outer ermine]

i dont wanna play phy yet ngl

[summer flower]

So I doubt

[proud vector]

We’re like street strays in here fr

[wind nebula]

Sure, makes perfect sense.

But describing Rossi's kit as "abysmal"? Surely you see how there's other words to describe the issue that wouldn't miscommunicate her expected capabilities.

Let's be real, they aren't gonna let her suck enough for the vast majority of players to consider her abysmal

[summer flower]

It could be worse

[lyric latch]

Rossi will be fun trust (not going to pull her though)

[gritty olive]

edit this

[summer flicker]

holy white mode😭

[summer flower]

Her kit is spread not abyssmal

[tranquil cedar]

Rossi kit is cluncky

[summer flower]

Now question do you have to use all of her kit?

Is it worth effort?

Is she good underutilized?

[glass wind]

Skill Issue

[gritty olive]

#theorycrafting the only palce where well articulate sentences still get misinterpreted
You can say "i like for rossi's kit to be improved" and somebody will say "So you say shes bad?"
No bitch. Dats a whole new sentence. Wtf is you talkin about.

[proud vector]

Rossi is centralising on both a SP and synergy standpoint

[drifting quest]

Its all relative. Like yeah you can complain about better wording but I don't want to have to police my own conversations with people who know what I mean to please people who don't ever read the disclaimers or full nuance anyway

[proud vector]

You HAVE to use Rossi in a Rossi team and not the other way around

She fits very poorly as a replacement in known good teams at the moment

[tranquil cedar]

She has a lot of part that doesn't work together

[summer flower]

Ehh?

[drifting quest]

The same people who will misinterpret what I say wont read the 4 page rossi doc I write explaining it objectively

[tranquil cedar]

Unless some passive fix that

[summer flower]

I see 2 vunl applicator possibility

[summer flicker]

rossi is yvonne v2

[summer flower]

And it would be endmin team

[wind nebula]

The word that describes her is "inflexible"

[summer flower]

But depends on ultimate energy situation

[rare zodiac]

yeah with 1 infliction and 1 vul to trigger

[proud vector]

Yeah I see the endmin team too but she uses like 200sp per 18 minutes to work in that team

[summer flower]

0 sp

One ultimate per 2vunl

[wind nebula]

Kinda like the discourse when Nilou first released

[proud vector]

Extremely expensive without enhanced battle skill

[gritty olive]

and that bars her from lots of people who want to use her

[summer flower]

Outside vunl to trigger

[gritty olive]

= bad

[drifting quest]

Like people will assume I hate yvonne or rossi or tangtang when I say things that describe them in a poor light despite them being some of my favourite kits

[gritty olive]

like me i don thave gilberta

[drifting quest]

No saving yvonne model though it sucks

[summer flower]

Lifeng is having one ultimate for two vunl

[gritty olive]

i would need to cope with -99% damage without fucking angelina who did an HRT

[summer flower]

Where is difference?

[proud vector]

He is also cheaper no?

[gritty olive]

im going to get bricked by not having angelina AGAIN

TWICE

[summer flower]

?

[gritty olive]

[summer flower]

How cheaper?

[gritty olive]

first in cc3

[summer flower]

Or do you mean not limited?

[gritty olive]

now here again

[drifting quest]

Gilb second banner was so evil lmao

[tranquil cedar]

You hate soup2? How dare you?

[summer flicker]

nah yvonne model good, good gyaty

.gyatt

[crystal coral]

https://media.discordapp.net/attachments/956086663447207956/1470559890274783234/7gnlhrm4cbee1.png?ex=698bbd1f&is=698a6b9f&hm=3f3ec04d775ce42e3a42e5f8868b92346512b746970e941d537553f53b8baf89&=&format=webp&quality=lossless&width=720&height=720

[summer flicker]

[proud vector]

90 cost vs pixel estimates of 100 for Rossi I guess?

Hmm

Could be close enough

Fair I will concede this point

[tranquil cedar]

I hate Yvonne model so much

[wind nebula]

Can't believe that's a command, ha

[gritty olive]

Lose 100 HP per second. Enemies that have attacked and been attacked by Hoederer recive 200 true damage every second. Attack Range +1 tile, Max HP +15%, ATK +30%. Attack recover 5% HP and have 25% chance to Stun targets for 2 seconds

when will i get this

[drifting quest]

Throws an anchor

[summer flower]

Pixel estimated okay whatever

[proud vector]

hey Shuo why NOT use Rossi to replace Lifeng?

[summer flower]

How accurate is that gonna be?

[proud vector]

Decently accurate tbh

[summer flower]

If accuracy is less than 90%

[gaunt mason]

lifeng also gets to do his combo thrice per cycle
realistically rossi will only get to do it once, you'd have to stack ult charge for her to get her ult once per cycle

[gritty olive]

actually both crushers are powerful in is5

thats why we recruit both

[summer flower]

Then it could be same

[drifting quest]

I love removing stack efficiency and susceptibility for damage taken

[gaunt mason]

then you're losing three instances of link and all of lifeng's damage

[summer flower]

Also prone to be different in release

[tranquil cedar]

Can you even play solo rossi with the sustain?

[drifting quest]

Ignoring personal damage

[gaunt mason]

solo rossi? one combo per 6 years

[drifting quest]

Lifeng has xiranite too

[teal pawn]

https://www.bilibiliez.com/video/BV1KfA9zWEBh what the fuck

.leak

[crystal coral]

https://media.discordapp.net/attachments/956086663447207956/1406921241389961247/artworks-OcZ9DuwfBuSjNSy0-THYYuQ-t500x500.png

[wind nebula]

Sounds more painful than solo Arclight

[tranquil cedar]

Yeah i was thinking of when you get vul

[proud vector]

Ok @summer flower seems to me like it’s more of a pure phys is 4subdps in a trench coat phenomenon

[tranquil cedar]