theorycrafting

[pure spoke]

More spam for sure

[gritty olive]

never gonna leave the left click spam allegations

but were gonna hve 1.3x enemy hp

[proud vector]

That said, you might be interested in Arclight Battery composition

Dpsarc is apparently fun as hell

[wind nebula]

that's much more fair because you're talking about your preferences rather than attacking the design as flawed.

totally valid if you're into snappier combat. I think it's a symptom of it's pseudo turn based roots in beta 1, and it's marketing as part strategy game.

personally I love the slower pace, but if you want speed there's a wacky Avywenna meme team using both Arclight and Alesh

[pure spoke]

Arclight combo spam sounds fun at first xd

[proud vector]

You do not great damage yeah LOL

But you press a LOT of buttons and you ult more often

I’m really hoping the style becomes good with the right ult centric electrification carry

[wind nebula]

Arclight's not-so-secret but unneeded role is an ult battery. wondering if that'll ever be relevant

[pure spoke]

Btw rossi is the first who can do 2 combos back to back right? Maybe in the future we can spam like way more combos back to back.

[proud vector]

Like if heavy dps checks aren’t in the game, you might as well try the actually fun gameplay stuff you know?

[pure spoke]

I like the feeling of many combos activating at the same time

[gritty briar]

lmao they sent me a maint compensation mail with no item and then sent it again with it

[proud vector]

really, the big realisation is that stagger is pretty key in this game

[timber harness]

Eh I'm not saying endmin as a character is half baked. Theyre my favorite character and I have said many times that most of their kit issues will probably be addressed with future support units that synergize with them/ future dupes if they dont half ass the dupes that is. I was just primarily using them as an example of what is generally perceived by the community as "clunk" as there are people who prefer da pan as a unit over endmin because of the stated clunkiness.

[proud vector]

Big multiplier to damage and a lump sum SP gain

[signal sundial]

Low-key I hope we get a cc-style difficulty modifier for recrisis or a similar game mode

[pure spoke]

True the main reason why i try whacky teams and dumb gear sets

[signal sundial]

I can already see the masochists coming out

[proud vector]

I dunno, AI being able to take damage randomly is

spooky

[signal sundial]

"unable to deploy guard operators"
"Sp consumption tripled"
"Level limit capped to 20"

[proud vector]

Jesus

It’s time for catcher to shine

[signal sundial]

"attacks are unparryable"

[gritty briar]

sounds like an ember stage!

[pure spoke]

I kinda hate it. I mean its not a problem anymore. But when they are underleveled like you. they just get 1 shot because they dont always dodge

[signal sundial]

I think it's pretty on brand for hg-style cc risks

[proud vector]

Honestly there is a revive tactical

As long as CC doesn’t lock out tacticals

AI should be fine

[gritty briar]

tactical ban risk

[proud vector]

god i actually hate that stew exists

Tacticals being defensive or sustain only would have been for the best

[gritty briar]

the ult charge thing?

[proud vector]

Yeah…

[gritty briar]

yeah i think they're kinda cringe

[wind nebula]

... Idk that food saved me a ton of resources

[proud vector]

It’s cringe for endgame lmao

[signal sundial]

"max of 1 element per squad"

[gritty briar]

their existence is one of the biggest reasons i'd rather play no items for challenge runs

[pure spoke]

I never use items in games. Except in endfield lol

[gritty briar]

I just enjoy planning around ult charge for rotations and ult gain breakpoints for gear and having effectively infinite ult gain from the stews kinda renders that whole system pointless

[wind nebula]

oh those. I never really messed with those, just ginseng

[proud vector]

Yeah that’s the specific food we talking about haha

Food buffs are fine

[gritty briar]

this shit

[proud vector]

Stew? Fuck stew
Tactical slot should have been healer stuff only

[pure spoke]

There is a stew which gives ult gain? I only know the perplex thingy

[ocean hawk]

the stew "refill" the ult energy

[gritty briar]

like no shade to anyone who uses it to do their cool clears or whatever
I just don't find it interesting to invalidate ult gain as a stat when planning my own runs

[ocean hawk]

it doesnt give ult gain

[pure spoke]

Oooh

Wtf

[proud vector]

That’s why people be grinding meat and getting slug

[ocean hawk]

well.... stew is not that important after 1.1 update

since entering dungeon will charge ur ult energy

[gritty briar]

there's also this btw

[proud vector]

Eh? These get used DURING battle

They take up your tactical slot

[ocean hawk]

it only has 4 uses I prefer to use another item tbh

[pure spoke]

Bruh

[gritty briar]

yeah it refills like half your ult bar during the fight shortly after your ult

[proud vector]

So do I but none can contest the fact that you just fire off ults really quick

And it’s the singe major offensive buff that no other tactical really gives other than its teamwide brother

[pure spoke]

Instead of buff food just lemme deploy turrets smh

[ocean hawk]

well, the tradeoff is already fine I guess

4 use chances

its like more than half ult bar charged

[gritty briar]

basically just invalidates ult gain as a stat if you're trying to speedrun with it cause you'll end the fight right before you run out in basically every fight

you'll never need to build ult gain if you have these

[proud vector]

It’s also annoying how it isn’t automatable

[gritty briar]

oh yeah they also kinda suck to farm huh

[proud vector]

Manual all the way

[ocean hawk]

u still need to build ult gain, but if u can finish the fight only in 2 ult rotation then....

sure

[proud vector]

My guy fights have been beaten in 5 seconds

[paper sand]

whats gonna be the gilbless yvonne team? yv xaihi tang2 alesh?

[gritty briar]

yeah i mean i'm talking about for like if you're trying to speedrun stuff

the context i'm talking about is how they ruin optimization, meaning for attempting to record some optimized clear

[ocean hawk]

isnt the only boss we can speedrun in 2 rot rn is rhodagn only ?

when u nuke him when he got staggered before 2nd phase

[gritty briar]

well depends on the comp

i've seen a pretty short yvonne marble clear

but in that case that was like 1 rotation

[ocean hawk]

optimization is subjective / it has wide meaning

like if we talked about no food buff category, sure

but for in general optimization.....

[gritty briar]

right, i'm talking about a pretty specific context
A preplanned run with ult rotations planned out

which i thought was clear from how i was talking about it

[ocean hawk]

ah

[gritty briar]

Like if it's like a blind run then sure, healing items are probably more comfy

but i mean like when you're just redoing a fight to get your time down shorter and shorter

it ends up invalidating a stat during this context

which kinda feels lame to me

[proud vector]

It’s just centralising

And a pain in the butt to farm

Like the glitches in speedrun games where you have to do a code execution and win in 5 minutes

[ocean hawk]

I mean..... you have a free will no ?

like

[proud vector]

Its why speedruns have categories yeah

[ocean hawk]

we can just not use that item

[gritty briar]

yeah that's why i ban it for myself

[proud vector]

That’s the free will part of it

[ocean hawk]

and yeah this one

[gritty briar]

i have been explaining why i ban it for myself

[proud vector]

And why people specify no tacticals or at least no stews

[gritty briar]

so obviously i already know

that was the whole point

[ocean hawk]

I see

[proud vector]

Tacticals with heals helps smooth out the “AI takes incidental damage outside of your control” aspect

So I hope they don’t ban tacticals for harder content >.>

[gritty briar]

yeah i wonder what they'll do about that in the future
considering they ban it for agony

[proud vector]

I don’t wanna lose runs to “oh no Estella watch out for the carrrrrrr!”

[unreal light]

I mean one needs the item only when they’re either undergeared for boss, or when they’re trying to speedrun

Showcasing your comp/rotation doesn’t require you to use it

[ocean hawk]

hot take: Umbral Agony is already a no item category completion

[proud vector]

Yeaaa pretty much

[ocean hawk]

and since agony completion doesnt give oro.... its fine i guess

[potent hornet]

i hope the next run is fun

[compact bridge]

Tactical helps defender to be more useless

[ocean hawk]

the context is base rot? it doesnt use any item at all?

[signal sundial]

Not me proccing arclight cs and sending her to her death in the charging bulls stage

[gritty briar]

oh yeah arclights value as an ult energy battery also screwed over when you can have ult food

not that anyone cares about that anyways

[unreal light]

Yeah like whenever someone asks you how do you run the team, you may showcase it clearing bosses without food and stuff

Whoever uses food buffs here is kind of dishonest

[ocean hawk]

well for the showcase guide context, I agree

for the other, they can add a note imo

[mortal wolf]

Question, why is that Treatment Bonus kit on Lifeng?

nevermind there's another one

LMAO

[unreal light]

There are two versions of this kit

One contains treatment and another ER

[gritty briar]

oh they look the same lmao

[mortal wolf]

right? LMAO

Got confused for a bit

[gritty briar]

maybe hg should've considered making some icons different

well too late now

[unreal light]

There are four frontier armors hahahaha

Bodies

[mortal wolf]

I can just artifice it maybe

my inventory of gear is getting clogged

[ocean hawk]

HOW

did u have like bunch of gear

[mortal wolf]

The old purple ones + I tested other gear on characters

I made Frontiers and Pulser for Pogran, two different sets of Phys DPS gear, etc

[normal tangle]

tangtang combo triggering on arts burst is odd to me lowk

is she supposed to solidify+arts susc

who is that for

[mortal wolf]

Yvonne

[unreal light]

Yvonne

[summer flicker]

yvonne

[mortal wolf]

yvonne upscale

[normal tangle]

yvonne teams are not arts bursting thoug

are they

[unreal light]

Depends from team to team

[summer flicker]

you want to stack a few of cyro infliction

[hollow wyvern]

Maybe future unit where tt is only cryo

[summer flicker]

so its still have art burst in yvonne team

[unreal light]

She gains more energy with each stack

And her ult cost is 220 lmao

[normal tangle]

oh

[normal tangle]

her proc condition is arts burst or cryo infliction

[hollow wyvern]

It makes her more future proof

[normal tangle]

so like i'm assuming there's some non-cryo arts burst happening

[hollow wyvern]

2x gilb is a thing for some rotations, or just other comps

[summer flicker]

yes there could be another 6* that is nature but xaihi

[normal tangle]

guh

shatter deals phys dmg right

seems like a pure cryo bot then

surely 1.7 gives us cryo dps that isn't exclusively single target

[green otter]

Wanna ask, planning to pull rossi, and currently my physical team is like this with ardelia built when i need more dmg, whos likely in my current team going to be used for rossi team?

[unreal light]

Endmin and pog 100%

[wind nebula]

no way breach makes it into a rossi team

[unreal light]

What’s the problem

You take endmin but skip pog?

[wind nebula]

it only works on physical damage and Rossi's ult that "is her biggest damage window" is heat damage

[unreal light]

Uncanny

[unreal light]

And endmin biggest damage window is crushed

Also Consider basic attacks

[wind nebula]

so you bring teammates that buff both physical and heat, rather than someone that only buffs one

[unreal light]

Also consider fervent morale

[normal tangle]

nah i can see it

some phys dps that doesn't crush

[unreal light]

You don’t have anything against endmin

[normal tangle]

like if chen was a 6*

[unreal light]

I dont see any heat buffs coming from endmin

[normal tangle]

or some weird hybrid breach arts unit

[wind nebula]

there's only one flex slot in rossi, as far as I can tell. unless i'm mistaken you pretty much need wulf and a crusher

[normal tangle]

isn't there 2

rossi gilb x x

[green otter]

How about ardelia? Already built her other that skill masteries and max gear/essence

[normal tangle]

well, i guess rossi gilb dps x

still flexible dps tho

[normal tangle]

don't necessarily need wulf

[unreal light]

It depends on the sp usage of each team, can’t say much without full team info

[normal tangle]

you can get combustion from anywhere

[wind nebula]

not unless you're getting it AFTER rossi ult

or you bring a non heat arts infliction alongside the only sensible alternative heat applier, akekuri

[normal tangle]

laeva to force combustion once per millenia

elite tech

[normal tangle]

gilb

gilb ult inflicts nature anyway

just gilb ult -> ake bs

pretty much just worse wulf but still flexible

they both do same job

[unreal light]

Ake bs

Worst usage of 100 sp

[wind nebula]

wait, I remember them mentioning combustion in the stream, but it's not mentioned in her tooltips at all...

[celest carbon]

what about perlica

[unreal light]

What about her

[celest carbon]

in the rossi team

[unreal light]

She would increase heat damage, but won’t bring much to phys, outside of some stanza/ww

[normal tangle]

hmm three different inflictions in one team might be difficult

weird timelining

[wind nebula]

ok the combust just increases battle skill talent proc damage and recovery. it's possible that it's more trouble than it's worth and is just a token to make her seem more synergistic with wulf

[potent hornet]

aether infliction when?

[normal tangle]

also true

[unreal light]

Genshin impact mentioned

[normal tangle]

watch it be like 3x multi

[celest carbon]

how many vuln stacks can rossi apply?

is it 2?

[normal tangle]

arts inflictions+1

so if 2 arts then she inflicts 3

[celest carbon]

ohh

interesting

[compact bridge]

4 cryo she inflict 5?

[normal tangle]

you can’t inflict 5

[celest carbon]

caps out at 4 but if you could apply 5 i assume it would

[normal tangle]

max of 4 stacks of anything

i assume it only consumes 3 of them?

not sure if it just wastes a proc

[unreal light]

Doesn’t she consume all?

[celest carbon]

yeah she consumes all

[royal quarry]

is tangtang even necessary when i have gilb for yvonne?

[unreal light]

Time stop

You can ult now

[royal quarry]

wdym time stop?

[celest carbon]

no idea but the time stop on her ult looks really good for her

[unreal light]

Tangtang stops time

[celest carbon]

she can make enemies stop moving

for the duration of her ult

[unreal light]

Gosh I need tangtang on the pic

[celest carbon]

surely i just pull yvonne rossi and tangtang on the tangtang banner

[royal quarry]

but is it better than CC in terms of AoE content?

[celest carbon]

you can have both of them for aoe content

[unreal light]

It is crowd control

Any stun / pull is a crowd control

[royal quarry]

so i can replace perli for tangtang then?

[unreal light]

Even slow is a crowd control

[celest carbon]

yeah most likely

[unreal light]

If you want to, you can replace

If you don’t want to, you may stay

[royal quarry]

i could plan to pull her on a rerun unless theres a better op

cuz im mostly saving for fangyi

[green otter]

Is there an alternative to gilb? Didnt pull for gilb since i want to make sure i have a pity to get the character i want

[normal tangle]

gilb is like the only synergy rossi has

without gilb she’s directionless

maybe wait for 1.2 idk

[royal quarry]

ngl ardelia doesn't work well with gilb

[unreal light]

That’s overstatement

[celest carbon]

not really her kit looks super flexible

[normal tangle]

not with the current cast

[celest carbon]

her rotation probably just wont feel as good without gib

[normal tangle]

0 people are talking about ardelia btw

[bronze plume]

i mean you cant get rossi on tangtang banner so

[unreal light]

You can’t

[green otter]

Would pog, wolf, ardelia not work with rossi?

[bronze plume]

thats what i said

[normal tangle]

says who?

[unreal light]

My bad

[unreal light]

The game lol

[normal tangle]

that seems like the natural progression

[bronze plume]

tf you mean says who its how the game works

[celest carbon]

oh right

[normal tangle]

?

[celest carbon]

maybe i just pull on the rossi banner then

[bronze plume]

tangtangs banner is first

[unreal light]

You can’t pull Rossi on tangtang banner

[normal tangle]

so?

[unreal light]

[bronze plume]

so you cant get rossi on tangtangs banner

[normal tangle]

are we pretending like we weren’t pulling gilb and yvonne on laeva banner

[bronze plume]

thats what i said\

ROSSI ISNT ON TANGTANGS BANNER

[unreal light]

Bro

[celest carbon]

it's gilb yvonne tangtang

laev gets rotated out

[wind nebula]

they explain in a tutorial how the banners work, then say that going forward it will always be Banner character plus previous 2 banners

[normal tangle]

am i tweakin

[bronze plume]

yes

[normal tangle]

wait i totally forgot gilb was still running

good comms

[potent hornet]

if you want rossi over TT then wait for rossi banner and hope on your 50/50 failures you get TT

[unreal light]

Event banner allows you to pull for the two last event operators, if you lose 50/50

as there were no 2 last event operator at laeva, the game was tweaked to 2 future operators

[celest carbon]

surely i fail the 50/50 twice on the rossi banner and get yvonne tangtang

[bronze plume]

on tangtangs banner you can get as the limited

tangtang, gilberta and yvonne

on rossis banenr you can get

rossi, tangtang and gilberta

[potent hornet]

sounds like a win to me

[normal tangle]

ur not getting gilb on rossi banner

[unreal light]

Don’t forget countless embers

[bronze plume]

you literally can

[celest carbon]

wait what rossi banner you get tang tang yvone rossi no?

[normal tangle]

would it not be yvonne

[unreal light]

Bro stop

[normal tangle]

what

[bronze plume]

oh yeah gilberta was 2nd

[unreal light]

Wait

[bronze plume]

no gib was 2nd hes right for once

im cbt2 brained

[unreal light]

You’re correct

[normal tangle]

can you use your head before joining a dogpile for no reason schlawg

we just typing shit fr

[bronze plume]

rossis banner is
rossi, tangtang, yvonne

[celest carbon]

yes

[unreal light]

Woah, correct at once, got told that and run into fighting

Nice done lmao

[green otter]

I see, so is it not worth pulling for rossi if dont have gilb?

[wind nebula]

rossi's banner is ardelia, ardelia and ardelia

[normal tangle]

bro think he special 😭

[bronze plume]

probably not

[unreal light]

I didn’t say that

If you like the character, there’s no reason not to pull for

[celest carbon]

i think you can run her in teams without gilberta

so if you want her you can pull her

[bronze plume]

you could run her in teams without gilb but it looks like it wont be that nice

its probably like running yvonne without gilb

[normal tangle]

gilb is on god solo carrying the whole game rn

[celest carbon]

you can cope by having wulfguard or perlica in the team to buff her arts dmg and apply inflictions

[wind nebula]

phys team be like "who?"

[bronze plume]

minus the fact shes not normally used for laev and sure

and phys

[bronze plume]

wulfgard will probably be used a decent bit because force apply combustion

[compact bridge]

Damn you really want gilberta that much huh

[bronze plume]

i mean i have gilberta

got her on laevs banner

[green otter]

Is it because rossi doesnt seem to be good in groups?

[compact bridge]

I mean rossi banner aint giving you gilberta

[bronze plume]

yeah i already said that its wrong i was cbt2 brained who cares

[bronze plume]

its because gilberta can proc both a vuln and arts infliction

[celest carbon]

no it's cause gilberta applies vuln and infliction stacks pretty easily

[bronze plume]

which rossi needs both of the enemy for her combo skill

so instead of needing 2 ops for it gib can do it for 1

she can also do the usual arts suspect

[oak vigil]

I can see where you are coming from with Ember, but you really lost me there at sp batteries part and Endmin part.

Endmin doesn’t rely on sp usage that much due to needing just to use her battle skill maybe once in the cycle (to trigger massive damage at 4 stacks).
Downtime is there for combo skills so you won’t constantly spam the cycle, thus the downtime. The downtime can be considered as the same thing like cooldowns for skills in the other JRPG real-time strategy games. If you’ll have barely any cooldowns, game’s difficulty flops from the fundamental level and it kinda turns into the spam skills to eternity without care problem. But with actual cooldowns and downtime you need to consider on whether to start a cycle or not, or even adapt the cycle due to operators combo cooldown difference.

SP batteries should not be a cure for all deceases if put in the team, you know? Every so called “SP battery” unit isn’t just a “oh yeah I regain SP on ___” shtick, they also have their own focus you can go with them. Akekuri as much as her ultimate is a gigantic sp regen, also works like a damage buff/link applier.
Arclight is more of a constant stagger damage with her damage buff for electric for each 3 EBS (not to mention that it usually always goes combo skill -> EBS -> combo skill), where you actively question your strategy of “hmmm, would it fit right now if I use up electrification for her ESB or let it steam a little so I can use Electrification’s damage buff?”, also more of a “refund SP unit” considering AAAAAALL of the above factors.
Pogranichnik can consume vulnerability stacks to apply “take more damage” debuff on the enemy, while also refunding sp, while also dealing more stagger damage (both with his ult and enhanced combo skill) and also massive bonus damage from his ultimate usage.
Alesh is probably the most simplest one, solidification unit which refunds some sp while applying solidification.

[potent hornet]

jesus

[celest carbon]

essay jumpscare

[oak vigil]

I could not put it in less words, oi

[unreal light]

Based Arclight mention

[signal sundial]

Inb4 it's not that deep

[timber harness]

Nah im not that low iq i already engaged in the conversation to pull that lol

[ashen scroll]

Imo its okay to run copium team or pull whatever you like as long you like the character , and i think that why tc discussion exist and try to make what you have works...
The problem is when someone just come in with hopium and demand to solve math for copium team without bringing anything to the table

[bronze plume]

i mean yeah you can run whatever you want

[ashen scroll]

[oak vigil]

I mean, we are just talking about the thing which is interesting, no?
I wish I could make this essay less sob

[bronze plume]

but dont expect a tc channel to not be like "wtf is this"

[timber harness]

The usual tism suspects

Sometimes you wanna try your best to make something unconventional functional at the very least

[oak vigil]

Arclight and Alesh team comp (without ice infliction) 🗣️ 🔥

[unreal light]

If theorycrafting doesn’t theorycraft the best variation for every possible unit, it’s not really a theirycrafting, but a metaslavery

[timber harness]

By functional i mean capable of at least clearing content at a competent level lol

[unreal light]

[bronze plume]

i mean no

[celest carbon]

ah i didnt realize she dealt more dmg against people with combust on them

[bronze plume]

some people just dont wanna waste time on things we know are just really niche and bad

[timber harness]

Min maxing just to min max is pretty mindless if it doesnt give you something in the end imo. Game doesnt require speedrun clears

[potent hornet]

you can do that with like zero gear and a piecemeal comp

[bronze plume]

most people wont go out of there way to ask for the niche thing thats why its niche in the first place

its more time effective to work on the things most people use

its not about being a metaslave its about being efficent with yo time

sure you can tc the niche shit like ember in any team

[unreal light]

And some people just want to enjoy their waifu

And those who are biased against it, are not theorycrafters, but meta slaves

[bronze plume]

you can be the one to waste the time on it

[neat snow]

I'm not putting a defender in my team ever

[proud vector]

no time is wasted in the gathering of knowledge

[bronze plume]

not even if it was wisadel

[unreal light]

Mega based

[bronze plume]

tbf we dont need to do anything more to realize ember doesnt work well anywhere

[unreal light]

I’m not talking of ember alone

[bronze plume]

me when defenders in a game with the ability to dodge

[unreal light]

There are other units

[bronze plume]

i am aware there are more units in the game then just ember

[timber harness]

By this logic tho you can probably say the same about rossi

[ashen scroll]

Yes but people need to understand with our current tools we cant exactly have data for every single niche strat and bring something to work with , like i said some people just forget manners and just demand the math to be solved

[bronze plume]

ember is just the best example

[wind nebula]

all this ember talk is just a reminder that I must play the game by totally different criteria than the rest of ya'll

[neat snow]

She got crazy eyes

[signal sundial]

No I truly enjoyed reading your wall of text

I just know someone's gonna hop in and say that at some point

[bronze plume]

rossi is at least useable mainly cuz if you want to run phys/heat you will be using rossi

in embers case theres just never a team where someone else would just be better

like yeah you can use her in physical

[timber harness]

Isnt stagger comp a thing or do people in tc still ree at that concept. Seen a lot of people make that team

[potent hornet]

isn't her stagger team pretty good?

[proud vector]

if one can not think of a situation where super armor is useful; I have to say their imagination is limited

[bronze plume]

its not good

its just a thing that exists

[wind nebula]

it's not bad either

[unreal light]

That’s where we fall in the meta slavery, instead of game enjoyment

[bronze plume]

its what we call mid

[green otter]

I see, but rossi is still usable without gilb?
Kinda plan to pull her and retrofit my current physical team to fit around her without gilberta

[proud vector]

The cost of adding a defender into your team right now is simply much to high comparatively

[timber harness]

So its still a ree lol

[proud vector]

However the mechanics of defenders is underdeveloped. Honestly the Catcher solo guy probably knows a ton more and have a much cleaner idea of how a 6* defender would perform than us

[bronze plume]

i mean maybe? we dont have her yet for the tc to get the hands on her

[potent hornet]

mid isn't bad, mid works

[bronze plume]

no its not

[unreal light]

Yes it is

[bronze plume]

im not saying you cant use ember

[ashen scroll]

Does 'protection' give superarmor?

[wind nebula]

I maintain that 3 pieces of physical is a complete team for now, so the 4th slot is entirely based on taste

[bronze plume]

im just saying theres no team where someone else is better

which is a fact

being a meta slave would be me activly saying you shouldnt use ember

[unreal light]

There are

And you’re not forced to use them if you enjoy ember

[bronze plume]

smfh

[timber harness]

Who is unironically running a phys/heat team when you could just run mono phys or heat

It just sounds like the same thing as arguing stagger comp

[bronze plume]

people who wanna use rossi probably

[wind nebula]

nobody, until rossi comes out

[timber harness]

You can objectively run something better. Oh and it wont cost you 100+ pulls to run lol

[green otter]

I see but is pog most like be part of rossi team or nahh? Kinda somewhat planning to start doing masteries base on who will i use for rossi team

[bronze plume]

no

[proud vector]

Rotationally Rossi inputs an arts infliction and 400 sp to output 8 vulns and an ult every 35~ seconds
You’d want 1 infliction source minimum

[bronze plume]

its most likely going to be for her best team when shes out is
rosii, gilberta, wulf, flex

[unreal light]

You’re saying “objectively”, as if you’ve seen or done numbers on the case

[ashen scroll]

There is people play solo catcher , why do you think nobody play phys/heat

[bronze plume]

thats for rossi personal dmg id think

[wind nebula]

have you considered there are reasons to build and run a team outside of the results it offers to your inventory?

[oak vigil]

Because… variety reasons?
And also we kinda just have 1 hybrid unit for fire/phys, so that’s why not that much people run it in the first place (considering that it’s specifically Ember’s kit, which is, you know, SURE IS SOMETHING to say the least. The kit have been designed)

[celest carbon]

i can see him working if you're gonna use rossi as a main dps

[bronze plume]

rossis main dmg is from her ult which is heat

pog does da breach which increases phys dmg

itd probably be better to use ake for da vanguard

[unreal light]

You skip the entire team damage, and basic attacks

[bronze plume]

but maybe her physical skills dmg numbers are actually good enuf to warrant him

[proud vector]

Ake has the benefit of being a heat infliction required for a proper rotation of Rossi skills

[timber harness]

If you want to argue rossi teams can perform well over what we currently have in the game as the top performing teams feel free im not stopping you lol

[unreal light]

I see, so you’re feelscrafting

[bronze plume]

i wouldnt be to surprised if running pog in rossi with breach just makes pog do more dmg with ult

[green otter]

I see, and teams without gilb?

[celest carbon]

we'll have to see her dmg multipliers on her skill and basic attack if pog is worth running

[bronze plume]

that is accurate

but basic attacks normally are never good

[potent hornet]

watch ember get buffed in 1.1

[bronze plume]

sadness

[timber harness]

Strawmanning

[proud vector]

They would have to pivot to endmin co-dps imo

Endmin Rossi Wulf/Ake flex

This is the absolute minimum to maintain a rotation for Rossi and 4 stack endmin crush

[bronze plume]

that means you need 2 characters for her combo so youd probably be doing like wulf/endmin or someshii

[timber harness]

I have too little faith in the dev team for something like that this early

[unreal light]

I don’t see any confirmation of Rossi being worse number-wise, coming from you

[wind nebula]

https://yourlogicalfallacyis.com/the-fallacy-fallacy

[celest carbon]

smh the fallacy fallacy fallacy

[wind nebula]

you're so right

[proud vector]

I’m personally excited for Endmin Rossi Ake Pog

I want SP, I want so much SP. I want too much SP

[wind nebula]

Arclight, Perli, Alesh, Ake

[bronze plume]

just run alesh, arclight, pog, ake

soon when we get enuf ops

[teal pawn]

by that logic everyone should just run Last Rite

[bronze plume]

there will unironically be a 4 person vanguard team that works

[teal pawn]

[proud vector]

how does that team even trigger pog well

[bronze plume]

it doesnt

[proud vector]

[bronze plume]

but theres 4 vanguards aint it funny

[proud vector]

At least mine can lmfao

[bronze plume]

yeah but do you have 4 vanguards

[proud vector]

….nooooe

[bronze plume]

i take the W

[proud vector]

[unreal light]

The history repeats itself

[proud vector]

Damnit

[timber harness]

Not really. Feelscrafting implies im basing rossi not being a top performer on fake information. I just personally dont see it happening based on what we currently have in the game. Dont see why i need to craft a spreadsheet lol

[bronze plume]

can we get a ardelia alter then infuse both ak and ef together so i can run 4 adeles in the same team

[proud vector]

Eh? Whats wrong with her? She brings a lot of role compression tbh

[ashen scroll]

Well she dead on our timeline so...

[wind nebula]

no, feelscrafting is drawing conclusions on theoretical compositions with incomplete information, or without testing.

[bronze plume]

the only thing wrong is the lack of good physical/heat supports

[green otter]

I mean i already have edmin's gear fully maxed and his weapon essence almost maxed, and also do we know if next story patch ganna give another edmin pot?

[timber harness]

Given the context of the conversation that's not what im saying not even nearly. Im just pointing out that if youre trying to say running x comp is inefficient based on meta youd have to argue that for any team that doesnt meet the meta criteria

[proud vector]

No clue

[bronze plume]

dats the problem when introducing a new team type / mechanic into anygame

is that normally when its first introduced

[celest carbon]

next endmin pot is probably at 1.2

[noble jackal]

Consider the following with vanguardknights

[bronze plume]

there arent actually many units or whatever that work well wit it

[timber harness]

Cant just argue meta for one context then defend another team with "but what if someone just wants to play that". its weird that people jump in on a conversation and just assume what im saying based on little to no context to whats overall being said

[noble jackal]

• If I hit a button, the enemy takes damage
• If I play vanguards, my buttons give me SP
• More SP lets me hit more buttons
• If I hit the most buttons, the enemy takes the most damage, and dies the fastest
  Checkmate theorycraters

[proud vector]

What was the original cause of this argument anyways? Some teams are bad because of inefficiency of rotation more often than not

People jump to feelscraft rotations without any idea how much SP over time you have or similar

A complete team like phys shatter may have much less dps but it is extremely rotationally solid for example.

[bronze plume]

just slap silverash alter in

[bronze plume]

everything will die

[green otter]

We dont have flag bearers equivelant yet or have hve bagpipe to reduce initial sp usage on vanguards

[wind nebula]

you keep overstepping the bounds of the available information. that's the main issue

[bronze plume]

no dmg slap a silverash alter

need more?

bam wisadel

[celest carbon]

cbt2 akekuri

[bronze plume]

more??

tragoldia

ez

[unreal light]

Yeah we need fucking bagpipe equivalent

[bronze plume]

give us tragoldia in ef actually

[unreal light]

Or vigna

[bronze plume]

thats the real cc

[chilly bolt]

🅱️igna mentioned

[proud vector]

…. I miss my siege

[ashen scroll]

Skip tragodia , give me miss christine instead . . .

[proud vector]

Lion lady where are youuuuu

[celest carbon]

man why did they nerf akekuri ult

[bronze plume]

because it was broken

[proud vector]

300 sp is pretty broken yeah

[celest carbon]

yeah but it would be so funny

[chilly bolt]

@unreal light https://youtu.be/B2WzNXBt-hU?si=bQsrDYswsKOfUami

[noble jackal]

tkt 300 sp ult is coming on Akekuri the Fearless Leader in 2 years, trust the plan

[unreal light]

Vigna is my main character

[ashen scroll]

Vigna is not hot enough to be one

[unreal light]

I build teams around her and Grani

[unreal light]

Wait until you see her summer skin

[green otter]

So cbt2 akekuri is equivilant to myrtel in original?

[proud vector]

Strongah

[timber harness]

Yeah this was still in the idea of "x unit isnt meta so theyre not worth running but you can still run rossi with whoever you want". I was just making a point you can also do that with rossi pretty easily

[gritty olive]

why people comparing stuff to myrtle instead of saileach

[proud vector]

SP becomes ultimate energy becomes SP becomes ultimate energy

The twin resource cycle spirals

[celest carbon]

cause myrtle is the goat

[ashen scroll]

I seen it and she as flat as it can be, if chen decide to use her as a sword her chest would cut better than her dragon slaying sword

[proud vector]

Like our DNa!

[celest carbon]

and they're both 4*

[proud vector]

(Me, a simic player at heart, ranting about exponential growth)

[unreal light]

The keyword is objectively

You don’t know anything of Rossi’s numbers, yet you claim something to be objectively

That’s feelscrafting at its finest

[green otter]

Myrtle kinda has more sp generation over saileach,
While saileach is more used as a support

[unreal light]

The flatter the better

[proud vector]

Anyways it’s kind of like if Myrtle printed SP but SP could be spent on Myrtle to generate more SP to generate more Myrtle

[unreal light]

She won’t leave you that way

[gritty olive]

sail has -2 deploy cost after deploy later

myrtle just has more upfront dp generation, but by the time her job is over you wouldve ported your whole tam anyways

[proud vector]

There comes a point where SP and ultimate energy becomes one and the same and you become locked by cooldowns more than SP or energy gen

S I n g u l a r I t y

[ashen scroll]

Dang , people still talk about rossi, mf not even here yet , can f2p just get a job so they cant worry about their pulls , jk

[gritty olive]

i need rossi

[unreal light]

Sail should debuff

[gritty olive]

[unreal light]

[proud vector]

Now I kinda want to make a CBT2 Akekuri made in heaven edit

[gritty olive]

her only contribution in arclight recently is just a support gamma bot

[teal pawn]

I mean, I'm still pulling because I know she'll rise through the ranks in the future

[timber harness]

Focusing on "objectively" a bit too much when i was using it for casual emphasis. Its just a bit semantic.

[unreal light]

Don’t write it, if you don’t want people to focus on it

Otherwise you’re just making shit up

[wind nebula]

oh no you don't. not lettin a fallacy dropping pedant get by saying "don't read what I said as what I meant"

[timber harness]

So if I use one word you dont like that makes the entirety of my original talking point irrelevant?

[ashen scroll]

Stating something as a fact or objective are not something you precieve as casual

[unreal light]

Strawman

[wind nebula]

it's impossible to argue a point you didn't say, we can only argue the point you said.

[green otter]

Btw, if im ganna use edmin with rossi, is it worth doing masteries on edmin now or should i wait till her to be released first?

[timber harness]

That isnt how a strawman works. Im asking about the logical process, not infering thats what youre saying exactly.

[honest hill]

tbh just wait

[unreal light]

I didn’t say that

[gritty olive]

[bronze plume]

wait

[teal pawn]

Endmin with Rossi is SP hell, damn

[unreal light]

All I said, is that you’re bullshiting, saying something is objectively better or worse, when we don’t have any numbers

[main nova]

with content this easy you should not worry about your pull tbh

[teal pawn]

We don't even know how much we're getting next patch

[main nova]

unless they add something ridiculous like hoyo games we practically can make anything works currently

[green otter]

I see, guess ill farm money then since i will need alot if ganna build a team around rossi

[bronze plume]

i advice that if you want to use rossi

[timber harness]

Think i said 3 times that my original point was that rossi's power in the future matters as much as someone who is considered terrible as ember if their kit is niche and doesnt perform at a top level

[bronze plume]

gilberta would be good

now sue me

[ashen scroll]

Youre worrying too much, masteries is not that hard to get especialy after you max your essence , im on my 3 character to be m12 now

[proud vector]

.remind me 27 days - Sue beef maybe

[gritty olive]

rossi rossi rossi

[ashen scroll]

Yeah but fomo is strong for the unemployed

[gritty olive]

rossi rossi rossi i love rossi im gonna make her work even if i sacrifice my laev team to make her work(im angelinaless)

[honest hill]

Yeah farm t creds when in doubt

[main nova]

https://tenor.com/view/valentino-rossi-rossi-vr46-yamaha-yzrm1-gif-19093991

[wind nebula]

I can barely follow the way this sentence is structured. it's either circular reasoning or a trait that applies to basically any character

[honest hill]

Wasn't there a spreadsheet to see how much t creds u need for wep and character

[timber harness]

Would it make you feel better if I said point taken? Cause it would be better for both of us if we stopped talking in circles over semantics honestly

[neat snow]

[teal pawn]

Using Rossi Endmin so I can actually play Lifeng with his uncle panda

[main nova]

im more interested on how can i bulid rossi hypercarry

[timber harness]

Whats circular about it? You can't argue meta for ember's performance then say the meta doesnt matter when discussing rossi. How much more simple can I make it?

[main nova]

or ember hypercarry

[ashen scroll]

Its not semantic tho , some words literaly mean what it mean suppose to be , this make me confused

[timber harness]

We're generally speaking in hypothetical anyway because she isnt out but that point can still be argued lol

[green otter]

Btw how much do i need to get a new character+weapon from lvl 1-90?

[wind nebula]

I'm saying the structure of the sentence isn't parsing for me. I can't extract what traits are atttributed to who or what the emphasis is on those traits

[unreal light]

Hypothetically objectively

[bronze plume]

why is this useless convo still goin

[honest hill]

There was a spreadsheet for it but iirc for character it was like... 570k?

[timber harness]

Autistically focused on something that already was conceded lol

[honest hill]

Beef do you know where the spreadsheet for the t creds needed for character and weapon

[green otter]

Is that including weapon upgrade?

[honest hill]

Nope...

[timber harness]

Probably out of spite honestly atp lol

[unique jungle]

Its on endfield devs site no?

[unreal light]

Ad hominem

[unique jungle]

Ur looking for this right

[honest hill]

idr but there was a spreadsheet I saw yesterday

[ashen scroll]

I mean you shouldnt state something as objective or fact if it only hypothesis

[timber harness]

Autism isnt derogatory

[bronze plume]

im the worst person to ask about the location of spreedsheets (i dont care for them)

[honest hill]

No an actual spreadsheet

[bronze plume]

i just like numbers

[unreal light]

Ad hominem isn’t about being derogatory

[chilly bolt]

is this weapon

[honest hill]

When will we get rossi numbers

[unique jungle]

Yvonne

Not the weapon

[bronze plume]

probably at the start of 1.1

[timber harness]

I kinda was using objectively as one might use "literally". It was just a misapplication of the word

[honest hill]

[unique jungle]

U can also adjust it

[chilly bolt]

wait it's this expensive?

[wind nebula]

then let this be a lesson to say what you mean

[unreal light]

“Literally” would also be a feelscrafting

[chilly bolt]

does it also count promotion cost

[timber harness]

I mean thats what clarifications are for if you do in fact misuse a word

[unreal light]

Yeah and you didn’t clarify that you made it up

[timber harness]

I think you're just saying feelscrafting just to say it at this point. I dont even know what that means

[celest carbon]

ngl they kinda lost the plot

[delicate plinth]

For Wulf, anyone try making him an ult bot? For Rossi I’m wondering if ult bot for consistent forced combustion is viable, or if he’s better off as a sub dps

[unreal light]

You were told what it means

[jagged stump]

you guys used some really hard words..
-# chen

i cant keep up

[wind nebula]

we described what it means. it means to draw conclusions without complete information or testing.

[unreal light]

Thanks for finally saying “I think”

[unique jungle]

Its below

[neat snow]

Ult bot his only job he does 0 damage

[delicate plinth]

Oh nvm I came into an argument not theorycrafting I’ll come back tomorrow I guess lol

[timber harness]

Yeah idk. Its not really worth it to hyper focus on something this much. Especially when im trying to reengage in the part of the subject i was actually trying to talk about

[jagged stump]

[bronze plume]

it entirely depends on how much rossi can do alone and if non ult bot wulf can keep up enuf combustion for rossi

[chilly bolt]

no i mean no way it's more than 380k if it's only the leveling

[wind nebula]

how many bskills do we even think she'll cast?

[timber harness]

Why so aggro for no reason lol

[delicate plinth]

I saw someone on Reddit saying he was gonna build Wulf as sub DPS and I was like 👀

[bronze plume]

in like 1 rotation?

[delicate plinth]

I was ready to just stack ult regen on him, leave him at lvl 60 and call it a day lol

[ashen scroll]

I mean you know which part is the problem then what to talk about , even if you value it that low doesnt mean everybody else does . . . Its okay to admit mistake it wont make you worth less than hornymonster

[unreal light]

Another question to change the topic

[wind nebula]

yeah he's a caster. makes perfect sense especially with rossi

[timber harness]

Eh. The topic is finished. Its not going anywhere

[wind nebula]

relative to combustion I guess.

[neat snow]

I tried sub dps him mine is lvl 90 and he just doesn't do much compared to his ult build

[bronze plume]

at least 1 probably

[delicate plinth]

Thanks I’m too small brain to theory craft and too low resource to actually just try lol

Figured someone already tried both for me

[timber harness]

Think I already did that but we can go ahead and say this is an issue on my end. Totally. Lol

[ashen scroll]

[delicate plinth]

How do you build shiba fire girl? Akekuri I think is her name? Frontier set, lvl ult, make her an ult bot too?

[proud vector]

The is the ultimate bot to ult them all

[neat snow]

I use ult Gen with her also

[wind nebula]

I don't think there's anything else the shiba can even do.

[bronze plume]

lvl ult and ult bot gear

[celest carbon]

What was it even about originally? Whether or not a rossi comp will be meta? People started arguing about semantics and the convo got derailed so hard lol

[neat snow]

The more often you can link skill your big hit the better

With Rossi I don't know what the big hit is

[bronze plume]

and the more often you ult the more well

sp

[proud vector]

Ult probably

[unreal light]

She doesn’t do damage outside of that, her ult has 0% multiplier

Her BS wastes 100 sp, so your damage source are basic attacks and combo

[neat snow]

Her bs is for triggering wulf cs

[unreal light]

Makes sense, haven’t thought of that

[proud vector]

You need to add a
-# in most scenarios

To your statement that her BS is a waste of 100 sp

[rare zodiac]

ult seem to deal good dmg if HG don't lies

[proud vector]

Sometimes 100sp for an infliction is market rates lol

[timber harness]

Nah the original context started here #theorycrafting message

[proud vector]

[wind nebula]

also for setting up the second electrification in Arclight vanguard spam

[proud vector]

It just randomly pops up as a useful thing to random teams

[rare zodiac]

Shibe BS is instant heat that have good AoE, compare to Wulf who take 5 business day to apply heat with BS

[proud vector]

Because of how universally ok she is in most teams

[neat snow]

I basically only know Laev comp but ake is just the enabler for everything

[timber harness]

Tldr was critiquing combat mechanics, then someone said ember was shit due to their niche nature "best at nothing" sort of argument, then I said you can apply that to any unit that isnt meta

Devolved from there

[proud vector]

Oh I just realised, Rossi BS seq 2 actually has additional stagger

That’s cute

Our lil wulfy gal might be ok at stagger

lil teensie weensie little capo wants the stagger don’t she?

[wind nebula]

she lifts, of course she staggers well

[ashen scroll]

[rare zodiac]

then the number out and it is 5 + 5

[wind nebula]

something did the pixel calcs on reddit, lemme find it

[proud vector]

Yo pog

Please do find it

[ashen scroll]

Its going to be 20+30 trust

[celest carbon]

I mean that's fair theorycrafting isnt always about what team comp deals the most dmg in the game it's about making a team/unit work

[timber harness]

This is true but some people see it differently. Idk theorycrafting channels always attract a bunch of elitism but thats just the nature of the channel

[neat snow]

The problem I see constantly is the definition of work is different for all

[wind nebula]

scroll down past the chair: https://www.reddit.com/r/Endfield/comments/1rj0r6k/compilation_of_various_details_in_the_dev_log_a/

[proud vector]

Most people here don’t even theorycraft

[proud vector]

Thanks

[unreal light]

Lmao I wanted to thumbup Utsu’s message, but the guy is so afraid of me, he block-listed me

[proud vector]

Woah what the fck tang2 ultimate freeze is 4 seconds!! So long!

Wow Alesh dethroned

[celest carbon]

yeah but my definition of it is just picking a unit you want as a damage dealer in your team (meta or not) and making team comps that compliment the character with the restrictions your account have (or restrictions you wish to put upon yourself)

[proud vector]

Oof yeah 25 stagger total

Not low but not crazy

[neat snow]

Like for some people something working is simply having a comp that can trigger all combo skills.

Some want a smooth rotation.

Some want a comp that can trim all bosses.

I want all of the above personally.

[ashen scroll]

Imo Stating something as a fact and then call it hypothetic and just brush it off with semantism is intellectually dishonest in my book , why would i talk about this when they say it over ? Must be the WIND !!

[proud vector]

While this is usually a great intellectual exercise, you won’t get much community involvement because people simply have no experience or data with it lol

and when you want some involvement or double checking you can get shunned

[unreal light]

Careful they block people for pointing that out

[proud vector]

Doxxed timezone

Go charge your phone

[unreal light]

Ty will do

[ashen scroll]

Its not even 2%

[proud vector]

Battery life thing

The thing that kills batteries is being close to depleted at all

Or overcharged

[unreal light]

I live in the cold, the battery is no more more

[ashen scroll]

Go to the aic get new batteries

[wind nebula]

bros starving his iphone to death

[proud vector]

Lmaooo

[unreal light]

Hahahaha

[celest carbon]

i mean he misspoke (or i guess in this case mistyped) i think he already said something about the misuse of the word "objectively"

[timber harness]

Pretty much my definition except i think a power fantasy is still an important part of the gameplay experience so the performance of the team still has to be decent for me

But i guess "decent" can mean something different for everyone too

[proud vector]

decent is about the most broad way you can describe something

LMFAO

[timber harness]

I mean if i said "good" it would be the same issue

I guess its just better to say if it can get trimmings i support

[proud vector]

ok guys and gals

we gotta use tems like

"rotationally sound"

"Trimmablle"

[celest carbon]

true

[unreal light]

You said “decent to me”, that’s already enough to point out it’s your own opinion

[proud vector]

"not meta"

[celest carbon]

rotationally sound is a good one

[proud vector]

we can tell now that rossi endmin is rotationally sound tbh

[celest carbon]

being able to proc talents and combo skills consistently should be the definition

[proud vector]

no mismatch of sp usage with ultimate usage or time taken

[timber harness]

Ill try to pull her if i can honestly. Only if i can make an endmin team with em

[neat snow]

Rotational sound - button pressing makes sense

Trimmable - has good enough dps for current content

That works in my opinion

[proud vector]

and being able to trigger everything relevant yeah

[celest carbon]

yeah

[west hinge]

idk why im giggling hard reading these

[wind nebula]

yet again, Solo Chen is now a good team

[proud vector]

well it IS

chen is self sufficient LOL

[timber harness]

There we go yeah. My version of decent is just both of these together lol

These are good terms

[west hinge]

my beloved dork

[neat snow]

Chen is just a really solid unit man

[celest carbon]

chalter when

[main nova]

rotationally what

is that noun?

[proud vector]

rotationally s o u n d

[wind nebula]

not rotational sounding. geez bruh

[proud vector]

wtf is sounder and soundest though LOL

[near robin]

Didn't know soundest is a word

[proud vector]

like it makes sense but wtf LOL

[neat snow]

I would have thought 'most sound' over soundest

[celest carbon]

both work ig

[timber harness]

Never heard anyone use soundest or sounder

Are those new

[proud vector]

im gonna start using soundest

[unreal light]

Sorry bro your waifu is damage-wise unwell

[potent hornet]

soundest would be the most appropriate solution between multiple solutions

[proud vector]

this is now the soundest way forward

[celest carbon]

sorry bro your waifu cant trim

[wind nebula]

the soundest sound sounds sound

[near robin]

I feel like people won't take me seriously if I use that word

[main nova]

soundest sounds... Shakespeare 'est'?

[potent hornet]

We could fight the dragon, but waiting until it is alseep would be the soundest option

[timber harness]

No they are not lol

[main nova]

thou soundest sads

[wind nebula]

I mean.... Buffalo buffalo buffalo Buffalo buffalo. right?

[potent hornet]

buffalax?

[ashen scroll]

Idk what youre talking about , so are you agreeing on my opinion or not XD

[neat snow]

Honestly he invented so many words I wouldn't be surprised

[proud vector]

its just how english works

its only when the word sounds dumb does it do different

like geniuses is wacky so multiple genius is genii

[unreal light]

Gentle sir
Thy waifu, shining idol of your soul
Is damage-wise unwell and lacks SP control

[neat snow]

Well English also has a habit of making the most and least sense at different times

[celest carbon]

i mean i agree with it. it's just that the man already said he misused the word and it wasn't really his main point

[potent hornet]

i think with the event now would be the best time to actually farm the recrisis bosses for their mats

[ashen scroll]

https://tenor.com/view/pushpraj-10-when-you-know-but-can't-prove-it-gif-7256054827078291974

[celest carbon]

the convo kinda got derailed by hyperfixating on that word

and it became an arguement about semantics

[proud vector]

giga mega soundest derailment

[ashen scroll]

Well i just state my opinion and you agree with it , end of discussion

[wind nebula]

I found a sound that sounds unsound
it rattles me, my mind unwound
in waifu's voice, your love did found
but I wish I were underground

[unreal light]

Your waifu team role is of underground genre

[proud vector]

honestly these are becoming artful insults hahah

[celest carbon]

has anyone killed rhodagn in less than 30 seconds with avy?

[proud vector]

think so? somehow had preplaced spears or smth

[celest carbon]

wtf

actually cheating lol

[proud vector]

i don't remember where it is now but uh it was decently fast haha

[celest carbon]

i know there's a 36 second clear

[proud vector]

might be from ulting and using foods and ult gain stuff? i'm not familiar with it

it might be that 36 second one honestly

i only heard about it in passing

[wind nebula]

yeah it basically says "your waifu's voice makes me wanna die"

[unreal light]

It’s not rhodagn but

https://youtu.be/C2jhcNAlrtQ?si=0Cerz6Md7Fopj7gR

[celest carbon]

ah this guy also had the 36 second rhodagn clear

[unreal light]

I see

[celest carbon]

im trying to replicate it but for some reason my rhodagn just phase changes and doesnt get staggered 😭

im also just wondering if this is the fastest rotation

[proud vector]

not avypilled enough to answer that soz haha

[unreal light]

There is a way to increase the damage, but the rotation is longer, and rhodagn doesn’t survive that long

[proud vector]

the most i have to offer is that you can precharge your normal attachs from behind him, and to be mindful of ultimate flashes allowing CD's to tick over

thats about the only ways to optimise avy combo skill usage

[unreal light]

Your waifu damage is like a fine wine, that you admire, but never drink

[signal sundial]

I've seen rhodagn phase change skip but it looks like the timing is really tight

[odd wren]

Yvonne is the queen of speedrunning atm

5 seconds

[signal sundial]

Like hit stagger before the phase change, throw an ulti+ a cs then Spears again

[gritty briar]

Does this count?
https://vxb23.tv/vSSzzRn

[signal sundial]

Oh you have to bring him close to the stagger and not the stagger itself before the phase change

Interesting

[terse valley]

where did that ult lance come from 😭 🙏

[gritty briar]

preplaced spears

[bronze plume]

you preplace the lances

[proud vector]

between the legs where the sun don't shine

[bronze plume]

since the timer for killing the enemy only starts when you actually hit it

you can just prep lances before hand

[proud vector]

mega ult gain set + stew?

then swap before fight?

[bronze plume]

idk how its done for i do not care for it

[terse valley]

could be he spammed ult with energy food before starting the fight, and when he started spawning rhodagn the spear still lingered?

[signal sundial]

Max pot avywenna spears are like 45s on field so

[warm galleon]

Got three 6star in 80 pulls all failed the 5050

[unreal light]

The most AK experience

[outer ermine]

pulling for yvonne

[unreal light]

Another player fell for anti-Yvonne propaganda

[celest carbon]

what the fuck LOL

[summer flicker]

lmao 5s

😭 😭

[summer flower]

I pulled for Yvonne to be jumping using ultimate with laev

And I failed and no more soup

[signal sundial]

I remember pulling for surtr in og ak

[spice thorn]

This is from Xaihi's build page on the prydwen.gg website. I'm really confused about the choice of gloves here, is there any reason you would use Eternal Xiranite Gloves over the T1 version? even the first priority build above this suggests the T1 version. I see all the stats on both are the exact same except for the secondary stat being will instead of strength on the T1 version which seems like a no brainer

[signal sundial]

6 6* in 130 pulls and no surtr

[celest carbon]

wait so do you change your gear to ult efficiency>eat ult gain food>place down 500 ult spears>switch to your dmg gear>1 tap rhodagn?

that's so funny LOL

[proud vector]

well they only last like 45(?) seconds so the numbe is limited

but otherwise thats the idea

[outer ermine]

50, u can put like 5

accounting for ult cd

[celest carbon]

im gonna be hearing IM NOT THE GENTLE TYPE for the next 5 mins

[celest carbon]

yeah they probably just fucked up and put that in by accident instead of the t1

[spice thorn]

Ok, thanks for confirming

[timber harness]

Yvonne is so good i pulled on her banner for ember and got ember in 10 pulls

Fucking amazing unit

[odd wren]

@unreal light @gaunt mason @static pewter i think i did 50? Tho i went back to swordmancer on endmin to do stagger faster then changed lifeng armors to aethertech 3/3

[peak void]

this is possible? what the fuck?

[odd wren]

Of course

I think you can get random mats +1

[peak void]

dude

theres 2 1 and 7

[odd wren]

What was the fixed mat

From the instance?

[peak void]

6 of the orange

protocol space 1 claim

[odd wren]

So you got 2 randoms?

[peak void]

2 randoms and basically 4 total extra

[odd wren]

Not bad eh

[peak void]

i usually only get 1 random

or none at all

this is my first time seeing

[odd wren]

I wonder if i change li feng to swordmancer will it be faster theoretically since i can stagger fast or it will ruin the rotation? Hmmm

[odd wren]

That rng should've went to 6* pull

[peak void]

and wer're back to our regular program

[dawn patrol]

no it's not

[ashen scroll]

Its his first

[dawn patrol]

yeah problem being i sent mine to him in dms before

[proud vector]

D::::

[ashen scroll]

Scandalous

[peak void]

wasnt yours re crisis and not protocol space

[dawn patrol]

no it was protocal space

[unreal light]

Us

[peak void]

tf

well ill be damned

[dawn patrol]

so you're a liar smh

[peak void]

i am a convenient forgetter :clueless:

[ashen scroll]

[dawn patrol]

i wonder if running pog on rossi hypercarry could work

[ashen scroll]

For that i want to know how much is the damage bonus when she consume combustion first

[bronze plume]

rossis main dmg is her ult as stated in the vid

pog does breach

her ult is heat

breach increase phys dmg

actually nah fuck that run pog

we dont need another ult reliant dps

[unreal light]

Pog also does fervent morale

[dawn patrol]

that's what i'm sayin fr

[unreal light]

You are able to run a 3 old men + Rossi team

The harem reverse

[bronze plume]

sure...

[elfin smelt]

@neon cave thoughts? feelings?

[unreal light]

You can’t clue exchange if you send 4 clues daily

[elfin smelt]

and minus 560 credits for refreshing

[elfin smelt]

well swapping exists

[unreal light]

Unless you like run 7 slave accounts that send you clues

[ashen scroll]

Actual mintpicking

[elfin smelt]

I only need 1 actually , and I leave the rest to friends to fill up

been clue exchanging daily for 2 weeks now, although I admit strangers have been sending clues my way pretty frequently

[unreal light]

you have good friends

I have 80+ of them, and nobody sends me clues

[ashen scroll]

You need stay online so your name always show up

[elfin smelt]

you might need to fill your board to 5/7 clues to push your account up to be recommended to friends

pinned or unpinned clues dont matter cos the system can detect what clues you have currently imo

[ashen scroll]

Also you should clean up your friendlist

I get rid like 30 ppl a week?

Probably more

[outer ermine]

[ashen scroll]

1D offline? Die casuals !

[outer ermine]

i give them 2 days they usually come back

[elfin smelt]

my limit is 3 days, I've been too kind

[ashen scroll]

AFK dijang? Like u stay online so u got recommended right?

[neon cave]

AFK here is "i put 3 ops in the cabin and never touch it again" - you never swap out when theyre resting

i havent done the calculations for shifts like that

[ashen scroll]

Uh oh

[elfin smelt]

300 exchange participation maximum is pretty optimistic, that's why I only cut it by half

[neon cave]

i always get 300 from 20+ people joining but it's not something you can control so it cant be helped

let me clean up the tablee and do the calcs

[elfin smelt]

yea not all of my friends like me apparently

[neon cave]

maybe afking online might help since i think the friendlist also prioritizes last login time by default

[compact bridge]

You guys did 1000+ credit everyday?

Did that guarantee at least 25 oroberyl per day?

[elfin smelt]

that's like 30k Tcredits worth if you only buy money

and around 25-75 oros / 20-60 arsenal, personal experience I've been getting 2 on average

they never show up together

so yes, you have to be very unlucky to not get a single refresh without oro / arsenal

[ashen scroll]

I got like 800-1000 excluding refresh , never deeply math it out because i dont want to burn out , too much RNG

[compact bridge]

So thats about 10 pull per banner

Damn i need to optimize my clue stuff

It might be possible to pull until dossier for every banner

[drifting quest]

Super lucky odds

4 refreshes a day I end up with usually 0-1 a day

2+ maybe once, twice at a stretch per week

[elfin smelt]

lmao I even thought it's bugged when I got 0 a day

[compact bridge]

Whats the total cost for 4 refresh?

[elfin smelt]

but 1-2, sometimes 3 per day is my number

[elfin smelt]

560 credits

80 - 120 - 160 - 200

[ashen scroll]

Ngl i wish i get more of the blue stuff

I want m12 everyone

[compact bridge]

You aint buying 3 arsenal with that lol

Arsenal cost like 420 each

[elfin smelt]

I mean after buying 3 arsenal Im broke lol

it's possible, I got 3 420 arsenal a day but I managed to get 2000 credits that day (saved a bit from the day before that)

[compact bridge]

Nah thats the no sleep route

Ill do like 15 minutes daily max lol

[ashen scroll]

https://tenor.com/view/akira-job-application-get-a-job-akira-job-application-gif-8274337411388777231

[elfin smelt]

sounds complicated but it doesn't require any 0 sanity farming

just be optimal and collect every source

I too only have 1 hour to do daily and events lol

being an adult sucks

[ashen scroll]

I still cant believe people play more than 1 gacha game

[neat snow]

Gambling addicts

[summer flicker]

i played 3 gacha games

[compact bridge]

My daily time mostly spent on summoner war lol

But yea playing more than 1 gacha game just to avoid 0 sanity behavior