theorycrafting

[summer flicker]

waiting for nature dps

[chilly bolt]

Yeah I've seen people on yt using this but i never tested, it should be good for overworld gaming ig

[warm galleon]

Non-str main stat armor is about 19% atk loss.

At max artificing*

[frozen tide]

Its nice day to day qol and pretty good for bosses tho usually not bis

[chilly bolt]

Nature dps would go crazy if they can abuse corrosion

[gritty briar]

watch them just consume corrosion and ruin it

[warm galleon]

Xaihi with Stanza alone is already crazy

[unreal light]

If enemy had vuln, stagger = skill stagger + LIFTED stagger (10 x (1 + AI / 200))

If enemy has no vuln, it’s just a skill stagger

Gilberta does a LIFTED, not LIFT

[peak void]

damn so should i do frontier instead

[frozen tide]

What pots

[peak void]

Lets say im poor

[frozen tide]

Probably frontiers yeah

[peak void]

hate the wasted int but oh well 🥀

[frozen tide]

Str first line does more than will first line str second line

Combined

In an ocd sense it's "wasted" but in practice str main line is very good

[peak void]

i must just use combo skill chest even at p0

so that my catalysts arent wasted when i get p3

idk ill artifice everything else first then see if i need to minmax

[frozen tide]

Cs chest just happens to align well for current bosses

[peak void]

is it the same case with aethetech?

[frozen tide]

Aether

Is a weird one

If most of your dmg comes from when boss is staggered

🤷‍♂️

[peak void]

I mean i heard that LR is good at staggering

but idk if her damage windows line up

[edgy crater]

aether more like stat stick to me

frontier just close the gap between ur cs n 3rd slash ulti

[frozen tide]

Id just use yinlung for general use

Hard to justify aether

[peak void]

hmm

so just slap a yinlung for now and wait for a better offpiece?

[edgy crater]

003 yinglung?

[frozen tide]

Depends what ur going for if you alr did all the trims and stuff not much reason to greed more dmg

Idk just do what you want

[peak void]

i just wanna use her 🤷

i trimmed every boss before marble nerf

[frozen tide]

Bonekrusha is best for high pot speedkill bps

Frontiers probs better for fast boss kills otherwise

But only effecting ult makes it not helpful for mobs you kill without ult

[unreal light]

0 AI Gilberta stagger
16 basic attack
10 Perl combo
5 Gilberta combo
10 LIFTED = 41 stagger

193 AI Gilberta stagger
16 Basic attack
10 Perl combo
5 Gilberta combo
10 x (1+193/200) - 19,65 LIFTED
= 50,65 stagger

[peak void]

lift lifted 🗣️ 🔥

[unreal light]

Might be a pixel off, anyways, the lower bar is bigger

[umbral galleon]

New operator previews next week

[unreal light]

Lift is not lifted

[peak void]

But lifted is lift

[unreal light]

Did they announce that?

[umbral galleon]

Yeah just posted in twitter a few mins ago

[modest thorn]

are there any 5 star weapons that outperform detonation unit p0/dreams of the starry beach p0 on antal/ardelia asides from stanza?

[unreal light]

Tysm

[peak void]

youre welcome

[unreal light]

In surtr team or electro team?

[modest thorn]

surtr

[unreal light]

Ahh I’m doing the electro team calculations rn, could have answered on that, I don’t know much about surtr teams

[modest thorn]

i mean as long as its some standard damage boost it should be the same i think lol

[buoyant yoke]

didnt even think about the increased stagger when I made an arts intensity set for my gilberta xD just wanted to stronger corrosion on ult.

[modest thorn]

my other option is a p2 clannibal but that gives like 2% more damage 🥀

[signal thistle]

is yvonne-last rite core a good team or are people/cc actually just coping

[paper sand]

how much does not having chen p5 affect 434 pog teams

[unreal light]

It has a unique interaction, as last rite Battle skill costs less sp than of any other operator

Which allows you to build cryo stacks faster, to gain more ultimate energy

However, said last rite doesn’t use her combo skill (loses a big chunk of damage and doesn’t buff her ultimate)

It also decreases Yvonne damage (but ultimates are more frequent)

[warm galleon]

Tbh Snow's ult benefits Yvon more but you have to parry unlike LR

[proud vector]

The cycle basically goes like this

Oh great LR is cheap Cyro stacks!

Oh, I guess she can’t combo skill as much as she wants to now

I have a Genius idea! What if I combo skill on LR and then steal the inflictions with Yvonne skill? LR would be slower, but she can still eventually ult!

hmm, but if I alternate who gets the afflictions the damage seems higher

….hm if I just give all the afflictions to LR the damage seems higher… and I wouldn’t need to spend the extra SP on Yvonne’s skill….

…. Why is Yvonne in the team again?

[paper sand]

is there a list of teams total dps's? i wanna compare something like an yvonne team to a phys team
i really wanna run yvonne even if i don't have gilberta since i've been looking forward to a cryo gun op, but i still dont wanna shaft myself since i have limited resources and wanna trim medals

[proud vector]

Oh, Yvonne should be able to trim no problems

Because to a high investment team trimming isn’t like ridiculously difficult

[unreal light]

There isn’t

Every guide you see is an assumption

[wind nebula]

any synergistic team can trim, it's just a matter of how much you have to invest to do it.

[warm galleon]

Yvone team has like a lot of requirements, like if Alesh is not p3 and no thermite then Perlica with stanza from shop is better, and then there's Gilb that can use stanza too if no sig.

[unreal light]

Medals are easy, just give your team dps 90/90 level and weapon

And 80/80 to your supports

Artifice your dps and etch their essences

And any content is easy

Don’t overthink it

People are killing rhodagn in 10 seconds nowadays, and you have a total 2 mins

[paper sand]

thank you, i just come across way too many doomposting (even if realistic)

[wind nebula]

when I trimmed my Ember was the only 90 lv/wpn with m3 basic. Endmin and chen were 80 lv/wpn with moderate skill investment, pog was like... 60 lv with a 40 fortmaker and barely any skill levels.

Ginseng OP

[warm galleon]

Yvon is missing a core team member which is a two nature stacker in one sp.

[unreal light]

Yeah eat ginseng on your dps, best food ever

[unreal light]

Fluo

[proud vector]

that sounds like Gilberta

[compact bridge]

Exactly, i run trio limited with ardelia for every content and it works fine

[warm galleon]

More like a nature wulfguard

[unreal light]

Told you it’s fluo

[modest thorn]

wulf gets 4 and gilb gets 2 🥀

[unreal light]

Men in bed

[proud vector]

shit I’ve been called out for yapping to farm bot credits

[warm galleon]

I stopped using LR so

[unreal light]

Evil aurora

[peak void]

I just want to use this sticker as much as posisble lmao

and u gave me the perfect opportunity

[modest thorn]

i don't play ice teams but wouldn't she want some kind of damage buffing weapon?

[proud vector]

It’s such a good sticker I’m not gonna lie LOL

[modest thorn]

cause shes like a tank or smth from what i can tell

[proud vector]

A party damage buffing greatsword

I don’t think that exists

[rich bay]

Snowshine with Pulser labs hits hard fr fr

[proud vector]

They’re all pretty selfish no?

[modest thorn]

oh gotcha yeah i have no idea

[warm galleon]

Snow force solidification for the entire duration of yvon's ult so no pre-stack needed, you can just enter boss fight and spam ult right away.

[paper sand]

what weapon was ember on? sundered, exemplar, something else?

[wind nebula]

sundered. my original snapshots were shared in her gimme a sec.

[paper sand]

oh sick, stagger ember user

[proud vector]

Tis the main way to use her tbh

[wind nebula]

that's right I did level pog a bit before trimming the last fight

didn't change much, his damage is negligible in this team

[paper sand]

for xaihi on yvonne teams, is deto unit better than chivalric?

[unreal light]

Pog believers are very unamused by your statement

[wind nebula]

Pog is my favorite breach/SP bot. I just give him ult efficiency/arts intensity so I can turn my brain off other than hitting breach on 4 stacks

[dry kindle]

Do devlog stream schizo theories count in this channel 🗣️

[unreal light]

Go on

[pure spoke]

talulah vtuber in the stream presenting us the new content while talking to frostnova

[dry kindle]

🗿

[pure spoke]

• destiny 2 collab with endfield

[dry kindle]

I swear if there's new gear sets

[unreal light]

There should be

But perchance not yet lvl90

[dry kindle]

Are you sure about that

[unreal light]

Not sure about them being not lvl90

[dry kindle]

Anyway probably main story as major event

So nothing ever happens

[unreal light]

https://tenor.com/view/arknights-endfield-tangtang-wuling-jump-gif-5889053850376434839

Bang bang tangtang happens

[river scroll]

someone make guide how to do LR speed run for all 3 boss

https://youtu.be/YVa3URLQOpc?si=d658DOK6ST4_Vgb1

Aethertech seems BiS for Marble 1 tap

but he haven't show what should people wear for Trianglos

Rhodagn speedrun build should same as pinned Sheet

[wanton notch]

Daym

[wanton notch]

Stagger Gilberta is real

[unreal light]

high stagger capabilities

+5-15 stagger every 20 seconds

[river scroll]

it nice stagger support. but definitely isn't anything near physical team

[unreal light]

basedge

[proud vector]

Umazing!

Swordsman set time?

[unreal light]

we have swordmancer at home

[wanton notch]

It's Lisara, what do you expect

[unreal light]

yeah hahja

[proud vector]

unironically a hybrid arts and phys unit is kinda nice

But not used in this way lmfao

[paper sand]

wait what's up with lisara

[modest thorn]

has anyone tried kravengger on laevatain

is it as good as it looks?

[wanton notch]

[unreal light]

khravewhatter

[paper sand]

khra is a greatsword, lae is a sword user

[modest thorn]

but think about it

[proud vector]

greatswords are swords its right in the name!!!!

[paper sand]

youre right

[river scroll]

[unreal light]

https://tenor.com/gLnUMiIagXQ.gif

[wanton notch]

I can't

[modest thorn]

i think i have seen ppl talking about gilb subdps

cause p5 delivery is a lot of damage

[unreal light]

nah I don't mind gelberta sub-dps, yett why would you use xira for that, especially that her sig provides that er%

[wanton notch]

I've seen people talked about Ardelia dps

[unreal light]

gilberta*

[wanton notch]

Yeah, that's my point too.

https://youtu.be/h_tSWEcXlRM?si=kp7YOD-KfCI0EdZl

Okay, don't wanna watch it myself anymore. If someone have some free time to waste:

[unreal light]

how do I optimise

1200 speed 1200 power huh

[proud vector]

Oh no she’s a guts horse with bad parents

[unreal light]

or 1200 guts

[proud vector]

[modest thorn]

i try to minmax and i go for 350 speed + 500 wit + 30 stamina

[unreal light]

500 wit so her passive works better

[proud vector]

No MLB Perlica card so account is bricked

Reroll reroll

[valid zealot]

You need that support card "The story about how I got adopted but the father hopped in coffin just months later".

[unreal light]

Chen wit card decreases wit with every training

[valid zealot]

It's tangtang synergy.

[wanton notch]

Tried to watch more.
No, I can't

[paper sand]

in yvonne teams will deto unit always be better on xaihi than chivalric because of the int boost?

im getting either p1 deto unit or p4 wedge

[unreal light]

we don't have a sheet that have accounted for that yet

🫡

[foggy birch]

Been building allat of teams lately and I wanna max the frick out a team comp, what y'all suggest would be the highest ROI team or u guys have other team suggestions? (These are the only 5* I have and by god forsaken suprise I don't have a single Arclight copy lmao)

[river scroll]

Laevatain

[proud vector]

Laev is probably pretty safe all things considered for now

[unreal light]

roi stands for the quickest moment, when the team would start beating hard content?
it's 3rd image

1 is somewhat equal

4 is poor
2 is bad

[proud vector]

Wulfguard P5 makes him just really good as an infliction bot, so he is a solid investment

[paper sand]

is this counting trimmed medal content? for some reason ive had better luck with phys teams than lae teams in ST content

[modest thorn]

u could also run a gilb/laev/ard/wulf team so you're upgrading gilb and ardelia along the way

[unreal light]

ardelia is not the best phys team

[paper sand]

oh regardless of the teams in the screenshot mb i was asking for myself

[unreal light]

ah, phys and laev are kind of the same in terms of dps

laev is more aoe oriented

[paper sand]

also wait, endmin pog chen [ardelia] team is bad?

[unreal light]

while most of phys skills have extremely small aoe

[foggy birch]

Yeah I wanna team for trim maxxing, aight I'll make the third team then

[rare zodiac]

not bad, just not the highest dps phys team

[paper sand]

i thought the three would be a core phys team regardless of who the 4th slot is

[foggy birch]

I was hitting 200k - 400k crit but per rotation, quite a hassle and you'll make mistakes allat but it's my most fav and well versed team

[proud vector]

It’s very vuln hungy

[unreal light]

you really want to have 4 stack breach -> 4 stack crush -> 3 stack crush

without lifeng you don't have free vuln applications, and you don't really want to spend your sp on ardelia bs

so ardelia is more like stanza bot

[paper sand]

aaaaah

[modest thorn]

is ginseng still the best dps consumable if it didn't have the crit buff?

[foggy birch]

Im guessing this is for aoe content, aight imma try this cuz this lowkey interesting team

[modest thorn]

actually it outperforms akekuri in single target as well

[wanton notch]

Probably. Although Jacob gives me 200 more attack

[unreal light]

it depends on the amount of atk and atk% you have

[rare zodiac]

until you hit second rot

[modest thorn]

i run the regular laevatain ult regen + hot works gloves so i think its about 1100 base attack

and like 400% if thats what ur talking about

[foggy birch]

Im sold with this idea lmao, imma do this team then, also, what weapon besides Clannibal is good for wulf?

[modest thorn]

why does it drop?

[peak void]

who is Jacob

[unreal light]

could you share the screenshot of your atk tab opened?

[modest thorn]

uhhh i have ginseng on rn

[proud vector]

Do you not know of Jacob?

[rare zodiac]

can't trigger Arde CS because no one consume Vul, so after rot 2 you pretty much play with 3 people

[peak void]

6.7k atk

[foggy birch]

Dayummm the intellect stat goes harddd

[unreal light]

from there if pos

[modest thorn]

i keep forgetting who applies vuln, is it gilb's combo?

[rare zodiac]

yes

[lilac bloom]

trimming rhodagn is the absolute easiest trimming right

[modest thorn]

so wouldn't the vuln disappear by the time laevatain's ult is over?

[proud vector]

Pretty much

[modest thorn]

which is 15 seconds + 10 second cd

[unreal light]

it's the fastest one

[proud vector]

He just stands there and takes it like a man

[lilac bloom]

scary bc it took me a ton of tries

[lilac bloom]

my team is super chopped ig 😭

[unreal light]

once you trim your first rhodagn with food, you're actually ready to trim triaggelos w/out food

[rare zodiac]

sadly with all the combo and ult you use you will reapply vul before it end itself

[lilac bloom]

wdym

triaggelos feels so bad

[unreal light]

it's literally written

[foggy birch]

May I ask why seal and not pyrometer?

[unreal light]

idk

beat him first try

[modest thorn]

i thought ardelia's combo always comes up first since gilb's only triggers off of ardelia's

either way you can just skip gilb's reapplication

[unreal light]

not like the first try, as I restared after learning some phases

but once I killed him my first time, I got trim

[modest thorn]

faster ult cycles

[rare zodiac]

Lae EBS also trigger Gilb

[lilac bloom]

triggy just has such an ass set of mechanics

[modest thorn]

i do have both pyro's maxed tho lol

so i can try to finally skip rhodagn

[modest thorn]

thats true, ig u could just skip it xd

granted in my cycles i haven't really run into that issue yet

[rare zodiac]

yeah if you kill it in 1 rot everything will be fine

[modest thorn]

even with 2 rotations i feel like i still get ardelia before

maybe i should try using that funny chinese timing thing

[unreal light]

you'll have 7012 atk with jacub

might be 7013 if rounded up

[modest thorn]

ooh okay bet thanks ill probably run that then instead

[unreal light]

it's 3,3% dps increase

if we account for raw atk

and ginseng gives +5,5% dps increase just due to average crits

[rare zodiac]

Record your run to review it always a good choice

[unreal light]

that's true

[rare zodiac]

Sometimes you can find stuff that normally you didn’t notice

[modest thorn]

ngl all i've been doing lately has been spamming rhodagn 🥀

but i have been recording that lol

[next dove]

how do you guys refill your team's ult? By food or grinding mobs?

[unreal light]

wdym

[rare zodiac]

Use lv1 wep to give Rhodgan slow death for experimental purposes

[modest thorn]

rhodagn feeds my ults 🔥

[unreal light]

true true

[unreal light]

ahh if I messed up my rotation, I just grind the unfinished boss for ults, and then restart him

[next dove]

alright thanks!

Is this everyone's go-to buff prior to a run? It seems easy to get

[unreal light]

not the best, yet the cheapest and a good one

[lilac bloom]

this shit blows

[modest thorn]

damn did u almost skip that phase

[lilac bloom]

nah i already dealt with them once :/ im not cracked

[unreal light]

many teammates and many gears provide you with dmg deal bonus

so it's better to run atk food, like jacub or ginseng stew

[lilac bloom]

its just such an annoying rotation

invuln meteors invuln big nuke invuln fight mobs

wasting my time boss

genshin/wuwa ass

[unreal light]

jacub's legacy gives 27% base atk, which is way bigger than 25% bonus damage

ginseng gives 180 base atk and 11% crit rate (crit rate is a 5,5% increase)

[proud vector]

Ginseng has a hidden passive that saps your IRL sanity though, because while it says it buffs crit, it also mysteriously causes you to reset your run. A lot.

[valid zealot]

Mhmm dog meat.

My fav.

[lilac bloom]

500 kunst tubes

[proud vector]

imagine

Landbreakers swapping from whatever thing they are huffing for Ginseng instead

Random shot crits you for OHKO 10% of the time

[next dove]

Which should I focus in improving my Laev? Her weapon or M3 her skills?

[wheat agate]

he's simply taking things out of context because dango is a genuine hater

[paper sand]

what

[modest thorn]

holey moley its the real lisara

https://tenor.com/view/holy-moly-gif-2379897567703251318

[wheat agate]

[foggy birch]

Wedge or rational for wulfgard?

[modest thorn]

im too lazy to watch the whole thing but thats cool that u did a lot of research

[lilac bloom]

double slab?

howcome?

[wheat agate]

because lynx slab is actually busted

[unreal light]

gives a lot of mainstat, perfect stats for gilb, it's a go-to dps build

[compact bridge]

Crit rate is increasing your on paper damage, in reality no crit proc lol

[unreal light]

you don't get it

it's not only about your burst

[wheat agate]

btw ginseng is not base atk

[unreal light]

bonus flat ok

[wheat agate]

base atk is affected by both attr atk and atk% but flat atk is only affected by attr atk

[modest thorn]

unless you're building a wulfguard carry, neither. he runs either obj or clannibal

[unreal light]

your every basic attack dps has a chance to crit, your every bs and combo

[modest thorn]

okay now im really into gilberta dps, what team does she want

[unreal light]

xaihi

whatever whatever

you may run her alongside dps fluo

you'd need some vanguard

alesh good, but consumes cryo

means your fluo cannot proc her weapon passive (no matter wedge or opus the living)

ake good, brings +10% atk

arclight is debatable

but she is better to consume nature stacks, to reapply fluo weapon passive

cause her electrification does atleast something, unlike ake's combustion

[lilac bloom]

miserable ass fight

maybe if i had jakub's instead of kunst tube

[wanton notch]

I think you can just not use BS and he still works no? Like ult is cryo and SP.

Plus his combo triggers on any art consumption

[unreal light]

with fluo gilb xaihi, you don't have art consumption outside of his BS

[wanton notch]

I mean you can get solidification here different ways and then Gilberta can shatter it with her lifts no? Or too Convoluted?
I don't know what that team rotation even looks like

[wind nebula]

does shatter reaction count as consumption?

[unreal light]

yes

[wanton notch]

That's why Alesh works with Estella. Yes

[unreal light]

uhh how would you get solidification w/out alesh's BS

[unreal light]

nature stacks into his ult?

[wind nebula]

gilb combo and later Xaihi combo

[wanton notch]

Non cryo + cryo

Xaihi combo does cryo, Gil have nature in her I think?

[unreal light]

you want either xaihi combo or alesh ult to come first, so you can use fluo BS to proc the weapon passive

[paper sand]

among yvonne xaihi alesh estella, which one of the supports is likely to be replaced?

[unreal light]

estella

[warm galleon]

Alesh and Estella

[paper sand]

im not even asking tc questions anymore all the good answers are just in this channel

[wind nebula]

well, you would need an intial Arts Reaction to hit in order to fire xaihi gilb combo

[warm galleon]

I was about to say Xaihi?

[unreal light]

you don't, xaihi combo comes up when you do two final strikes after her BS

[wanton notch]

Order matter he meant,you kinda need no cryo before cryo for Solid.
Probably

[warm galleon]

Best way to trigger Gilb without removing other stacks is Perlica's combo which is after one final strike

[wind nebula]

no I typed the wrong name at first

[wanton notch]

Ah, but still, order matters anyway

[paper sand]

actually wait is estella just there for her bs

[unreal light]

you've got to have cryo on enemy to pop up the corrosion from fluo, so her weapon passive activates

and in the end you have to somehow consume the nature, to be able to apply cryo again

[wanton notch]

Wai, giys

[unreal light]

🥵

[wanton notch]

Can someone check something first

How Gilberta combo works on enemy with solidification?

[rare zodiac]

Shatter

[paper sand]

im def building yvonne after trimming medals with phys

[wanton notch]

No nature after?

[unreal light]

her combo does not apply nature

[rare zodiac]

Gilb CS have no infliction

[wind nebula]

solidification isn't an infliciton. two seperate layers

[wanton notch]

Oh, I am tripping then. Someones combo applies here

[wind nebula]

what is blud even cookin here? I only know three of the team members

[rare zodiac]

As long as it’s not phys gilb

[wanton notch]

Okay, no idea if it's viable if it requires ults

[wind nebula]

it's yvonne isn't it? yeah xaihi / gilb / alesh is cursed. even though it's the best she's got, there's very little flexibility

[wanton notch]

Nah it's this

[wanton notch]

.

[chilly bolt]

Gil lynx slab build?

[wind nebula]

where would the damage come from? BS spam? how would gilb put out enough mult?

[rich linden]

imma be fr the ult gain set is infinitely better for laeva

if u have skill issue

[teal fiber]

just ult yea and only 5 sec too...

[wanton notch]

Time Fluo BS in a way, that it triggers right after Xaihi combo. I think there should be Gilberta combo in a que now.
Next we either Gilberta BS, which is preferred or Ult (unless I am tripping and it also doesn't di Nature Infliction) followed by Alesh ult that gonna trigger solidification due it applying cryo which then you follow with Gil and Alesh combos.

Still cursed asf and my brain ain't braining

[rare zodiac]

Yes, because you don’t have to line up burst time with boss vul

[chilly bolt]

Simply just dont have skill issue

[rich linden]

it went from being impossible to clear to clear after a few tries

[wind nebula]

legitimately betting that Flourite dps could do laps around Gilberta dps

[modest thorn]

yeah gilb dps isn't a real thing she can be a subdps

[wind nebula]

primarily because gilberta can support flourite but not herself

[rare zodiac]

I think Gilb sub dps is not a real thing too

[wind nebula]

only in AOE

[warm galleon]

Build her with 250+ arts intensity

[rare zodiac]

Corrosion stagger Gilb?

[modest thorn]

i mean on p5 delivery she does 45% bonus nature damage

[rare zodiac]

You see, if she deal 2% of team dmg 45% more is still 2.9%

[wheat agate]

even as a subdps, its a questionable build but people with m12 gilberta exists

[unreal light]

Im playing this comp

they do compliment eachother

[modest thorn]

joining the club soon 🙏

[wanton notch]

Well, I was brainstorming about this anyway because I am bored.
There was suggestions of Vanguards and thoght how to make Alesh

Without BS

[modest thorn]

yo lowk does anyone know anything about gilberta's animations? something about it just tickles my brain

is there like a similar character in other games lol

[unreal light]

kokomi

[rare zodiac]

Fish?

[unreal light]

https://tenor.com/sMuHIVa7f03.gif

[rare zodiac]

Fish!

[unreal light]

I believe someone from genshin has an animation of this clockwise rotation

[wanton notch]

So how question, does it even work the way I wanted it to?

[unreal light]

I'm just throwing fluo bs - 0.5s - Gilb bs

[rare zodiac]

If you have energy beforehand, if 0 like umbral, well……..

[unreal light]

that way she applies nature faster than gilb, but enemies are groupped up to be blown

[modest thorn]

i just love her wave when you go to her on the character select

[modest thorn]

[dry kindle]

boc in EF when

[unreal light]

https://tenor.com/Nrw9.gif

[frozen tide]

Bro done got rizzed by pixels

[wanton notch]

Well, in Umbral it is probably place where you ain't gonna have good time anyway with this team. And you would probably need 4 SP instead of 2 SP + 2 ults

[frozen tide]

(im the same)

[modest thorn]

[frozen tide]

Gilberta my beloved

[modest thorn]

gilb is just such a cutie pie

[unreal light]

is this your rotation?

stagger is tweaked toward 2 procs of Swordmancer

[dry kindle]

Where my boc skin

[frozen tide]

Endmin btks

Might work

🤔

[unreal light]

are you sure this is your roto

?

I mean it's what you told me your roto is

[frozen tide]

I would need to look through

[unreal light]

I can replace endmin batk with anybody you prefer

and if you don't mind, can you showcase a replay of your rotation

I also supposed, your lifeng wears Swordmancer

[frozen tide]

Go for it

[covert viper]

does anyone have a list compiled of all essences which are BIS for any weapon?

[valid zealot]

https://endfieldtools.dev/weapon-essence-solver/

[wanton notch]

Anyways, I have a question since I can be a bit tunnel visioned. Is this most optimal rotations I can do with the team?

Probably can fix the fact that I applied Susc a bit too late phase 1

[valid zealot]

Does any of the ult here matter alot.

[wanton notch]

Catcher ult does 1 vulnerability and KD and triggers guard.

Estelle ult does 1 vulnerability and KD and triggees guard.

Alesh is free cryo apply to not use Estelle BS

[tawdry folio]

Wait how did u got behind him like that?

[wanton notch]

You can walk around

[valid zealot]

Then do meat stew shennanigans.

[tawdry folio]

Like wah

[unreal light]

Im unsure what you mean

[wanton notch]

Just walk around the edge of a arena

[valid zealot]

Are you still on ult regen set for Est.

[tawdry folio]

He jumping me when i try

[wanton notch]

Sm

[warm galleon]

Bro has tubes on his eyes, he won't know you're behind him.

[valid zealot]

I don't kinkshame but why mentioned.

[tawdry folio]

Wrong mentioned ofc smh

[wanton notch]

Just immediately after spawning int he arena go left or right time the edge. Maybe can go back a little.

It is for Rhodagn that's is not story one tho

[wanton notch]

I don't think I need more than 2 ults as you can saw. More than enough to trigger everything I need. Maybe do for Catcher ult at the end

Since I don't get second Catcher ult otherwise

I think I need E4 on Pog for M1 so I don't have awkward delay at first phase for Susceptibility

[valid zealot]

Now that I noticed

You missed susc on first finisher.

[wanton notch]

Yeah, few SP late basically

[valid zealot]

Easy fix just m1 pog.

Also do AIs get disrupted by aoe if catcher parry that.

[wanton notch]

They don't care if he parry or not so they still hide

[valid zealot]

No like mid skill

[wanton notch]

My brain ain't braining.
Can you rephrase

[proud vector]

AI are pretty good at dodging usually unless you yourself lock them in place by commanding a skill from them

[valid zealot]

If your AI was casting skill when AOE hit with catcher parry up do they get disrupted.

[proud vector]

I don’t think parrying with Catcher influences your AI?

[valid zealot]

Well AI parry can influence your controlled op so

IremWaitaMeowment

[proud vector]

hm good point

Does catcher parry give super armor to AI stuck in animation huh?

[wanton notch]

I think they do, unless I use Catcher as an AI

To use his skill to protect instead

Never actually bothered to see

Maybe tomorrow will test it on something

[gritty olive]

they jump on marble

thats pretty good

[unreal light]

would you record that?

[frozen tide]

Whar

[unreal light]

your rotation

[frozen tide]

You want a recording of the rot

?

I can do that yeah

[unreal light]

yes I do

[potent hornet]

you know. i have seen enough cool videos with catcher i'm actually thinking about building him

[valid zealot]

Dango about to claim their next victim.

[potent hornet]

its pretty cool to see a meaty hit 4* dropping 23k autos

[wind nebula]

Catcher unironically a great unit. If your criteria is "clear things easily at a good pace" and not "top speed run leaderboards" he's a great fourth in any physical, esp at mid investment.

Becomes a bit of an odd choice when you start out scaling everything, but it would still work and contribute to smooth rotations even if you're missing damage potential

[unreal light]

they forgot to give any vuln reaction to catcher

cursed forever

[wind nebula]

Wdym?

[wanton notch]

His BS doesn't trigger guards

Because it is just vulnerability

Not Knockdown or Lift

[wind nebula]

His ult is knockdown

[unreal light]

ahh true

my bad

[wanton notch]

Only if you have one upgraded team ready and you have spare resources

[potent hornet]

i almost have my 2nd team up and going

[wanton notch]

It is, but lack one for BS is kinda annoying

[potent hornet]

my LR team is set

[wanton notch]

Like you need Chen or someone else to trigger guards

[potent hornet]

i could invest more but i don't need to

i have all the people except lifeng sadly

[wanton notch]

In my rot I use Estelle with her ult and Pog himself

[wind nebula]

You shouldn't plan for more than one or two parries per rot anyway, if you're sweaty and perfect those could be your stacks used to restart the vuln

[potent hornet]

i'm kinda hoping that he will pair well with TangTang

[wanton notch]

Catcher can do three roles:

Stagger, since his BA not that far away from Ember and his BS actually useful.

Xiranite slave with whatever blade you want.

And DPS like me with Exemplar

[unreal light]

how about pog

[wanton notch]

#theorycrafting message

Well, you can go lower than that it just do enough to refresh buffa

[potent hornet]

i still need that sword

[wanton notch]

Yeah, I mentioned him, but if you just have duo Pog+Catcher without Catcher ultimate you don't get last guard hit

[potent hornet]

i have been buying up the sunderings that have been popping up and i would just need to level chen

and pog

[severe magnet]

In the damage calculation, where does arts dmg % go?

[proud vector]

In the dmg% bracket no?

[wanton notch]

I did not liked Catcher in that team ngl

But mainly because I played dps version

[valid zealot]

Dmg% of all kind go to that.

[proud vector]

Unless you mean like arts damage taken

[severe magnet]

oh so it's the same as just dmg % as long as the dmg is arts dmg?

[proud vector]

Yeah pretty much

[wind nebula]

Arent the buckets:

Atk
DMG
Amp
Link
Susc
Def
Res
DMG taken

[severe magnet]

ok ty

[gritty olive]

stagger as well

[proud vector]

Same way combo skill damage% is dmg% but for combo skills

[gritty olive]

1 if not staggered
1.3 if staggered

[potent hornet]

i was gonna build laev as my second team but i decided to do dumb Yvonne+LR shinanigans

[wind nebula]

That type can't appear on gear / skills, that's DMG

[gritty olive]

stagger is a different multiplier

[proud vector]

It’s an internal check

[gritty olive]

its multuplicative to everything else

[proud vector]

But it is still technically a multiplicative bracket of the damage formula

[severe magnet]

it doesn't appear on gear but it does appear for specific characters

[gritty olive]

you said buckets so i thought you missed out on considering stagger mult si yeah

[proud vector]

It’s the damage bonus for attacking a staggered enemy (bar is depleting)

[gritty olive]

mbmb

[proud vector]

That’s a good question

Perlica’s talent goes in the dmg% category doesn’t it? For staggered enemies?

[gritty olive]

yes

[proud vector]

The actual stagger multiplier of 1.3 is unchanged by anything

[gritty olive]

"deal more dmg to staggered enemies" only gives it to dmg%

[unreal light]

perlica is bonus damage

[proud vector]

Since it’s just a binary if stagger then Y

[wind nebula]

Stagger Damage bonus is DMG bonus, just like skill DMG. Stagger multiplier is something we can't really interact with, it just happens

[unreal light]

and there also is some gear with bonus damage against staggered

[severe magnet]

could I ask where you got this info from? bc I'd like to read the source

[gritty olive]

yeahyeah, so i thought you removed "stagger mult"

since you didnt include stagger mult in your "buckets" earlier

[proud vector]

https://endfield.wiki.gg/wiki/Damage_calculation

Under dmg% bracket

[gritty briar]

also crit and arts intensity

[wind nebula]

I was just listing from memory based on what you typically read in skills and could get confused about.

[proud vector]

Technically flat attack

It’s not quite 100% multiplicative and is quite rare though

[gritty olive]

if you dont have dmg% elsewhere and you have 50% dmg against staggered enemies. your mult from dmg% and mult% is essentially (1.3) * (1.5) = 1.95

[wind nebula]

Yeah technically part of atk bucket, but in the formula in such a way it's nice to have some

[gritty briar]

if we're gonna start mentioning parts of your attack stat, might as well mention attribute bonus too

[severe magnet]

I've read this several times over but it doesn't cover niche cases like which category perlica's passive falls under

[gritty olive]

deal more dmg = dmg% buff, under dmg mult

[wind nebula]

By rule of exclusion, it's DMG. Because Stagger is exclusively the bit added by having a yellow stagger bar

[proud vector]

Yeah, this is where testing comes in. Unfortunately I no longer know who tested it in the first place but it’s commonly accepted by the people who run the sheets

[severe magnet]

oh ok, ty guys

[gritty olive]

what abilty is that anyways

[valid zealot]

That'll be $30000.

[valid zealot]

Thank you hornymonster.

[proud vector]

absolute nonsense names in the chat tonight

[unreal light]

anytime, VitDaiNhan

[gritty olive]

i can test that later

[unreal light]

https://tenor.com/mbFCu5423rB.gif

[proud vector]

I mean I’m not surprised I guess

[valid zealot]

I prefer it.

Unhinged den.

[severe magnet]

isn't this just the in-game description lol

[proud vector]

sage time chat

[unreal light]

yeah, I mean it's the source

[proud vector]

Essentially the formula was obtained by datamine if I am correct

Plus verified by people

[severe magnet]

the game in and of itself doesn't give nearly enough information to calculate the final actual damage

[valid zealot]

Me when I blindly trust info source (it's correct).

The game is weird.

There're a lot more they're hinding from plain sight.

[proud vector]

Way more multiplicative brackets than usual

it really makes the maths weird

[unreal light]

true ture

[wanton notch]

https://tenor.com/view/metal-gear-rising-metal-gear-rising-revengeance-senator-armstrong-revengeance-i-made-it-the-fuck-up-gif-25029602

[valid zealot]

Don't expose me hornymonster.

Madge

[proud vector]

Boosts hyper comps a bit more than you’d think too

[unreal light]

Sorry Lord Duck

[proud vector]

Forgive him lord duck

[unreal light]

https://tenor.com/view/huang-qinglong-uwu-smirk-malicious-look-gif-6380719120358185696

[proud vector]

Blue Flourite?!

[potent hornet]

ahhh man, Rhog is a big jerk. He phased just as my last strike on my ult was about to merc him

[unreal light]

he'll pay for this

[potent hornet]

i haven't tried to one phase him since i completed my team. I'm pretty sure i would have gotten it if he didn't phase. need to be faster on the ult when i get the first stagger

[proud vector]

His ultimate defensive technique: phase transition!

[potent hornet]

yea its a pain

i don't get a full stagger bar because i do too much regular dmg

the first stagger is tight timing

i will try to get a video, i'm probably doing something wrong lol

[open hare]

Hmmm

[unreal light]

sorry it ain't miku

[open hare]

Close enough

You know who has a rock in their name though?

[unreal light]

rock li

or lee

[valid zealot]

Mudrock

[unreal light]

fluorite is a rock

[gritty olive]

rokcrock

[open hare]

Not going to lie

All these trims are easy to get

No challenge

[unreal light]

the challenge is how long one takes to do that

and what's the worst team possible you can make, that trims the fastest

[proud vector]

D:

[gritty briar]

I just set my own goals

[open hare]

It's not A.I

[unreal light]

kill rhodagn (optionally)

[proud vector]

:0

[gritty briar]

game doesn't need to force me to speedrun to convince me to speedrun

[open hare]

This is completely bullshit

Kthree

[unreal light]

hair 100% ai

[summer flicker]

using ai to catch ai

thats something

[open hare]

Nah uh

[signal sundial]

Did you just

Upload a screenshot of the art

Instead of uploading the art itself

[gritty olive]

almost 4 years ago

[proud vector]

Insert Thanos quote

[gritty olive]

[open hare]

Yes

Can A.I tell me if this is AI

[valid zealot]

modCheck

offtopic

[gritty olive]

what of boorus

[open hare]

Yes

Dan

[unreal light]

porn

[gritty olive]

[open hare]

What

[unreal light]

https://tenor.com/coWUcTdxoWH.gif

[valid zealot]

hornymonster moment.

[unreal light]

oh it's of monster with horns

[gritty olive]

me when the imageboards hosts everything

[open hare]

https://tenor.com/view/watching-you-observe-seeing-i-saw-you-gif-5740825

[valid zealot]

clueless

[unreal light]

https://tenor.com/sZKbJJaw7HD.gif

[valid zealot]

Careful ppl get warned over this.

[open hare]

Thats if you report them or a mod sees it

[gritty olive]

[valid zealot]

Which I will do.

[unreal light]

over chen?

[open hare]

Crazy

[gritty olive]

might as well warn them since people get warned for this

[dry kindle]

That's a leriav post pre sure

[valid zealot]

Over Chen.

[gritty olive]

over the gif itself

[dry kindle]

Nvm gg

[unreal light]

wtf why

[gritty olive]

if you post the whole gif youre fine

[unreal light]

and what do I post to be unfine

[valid zealot]

the gif

[unreal light]

I did

[valid zealot]

not that the gif

the other the gif

[unreal light]

what other gif

[gritty olive]

with all due respect, lets not play dumb as to what sending this without context wants to imply

[unreal light]

https://tenor.com/sZKbJJaw7HD.gif

[summer flicker]

at least its not loop only the hand part

[gritty olive]

[open hare]

https://tenor.com/view/miku-my-genuine-and-honest-reaction-my-reaction-to-that-information-what-don't-care-gif-1300433824784747681

[valid zealot]

https://tenor.com/view/mods-are-watching-gif-16924650554711062761

[open hare]

https://tenor.com/view/ben-mind-trick-game-mods-gif-21555635

If anything, the people are the mods

I don't think TC ever had a topic other than theories

[manic beacon]

how does crit chance* affect dot like corrosion? does it roll per tick or does it apply to the whole instance

I'm only assuming it can crit tho cuz other reactions and arts bursts do

[wind nebula]

Dots specifically can't crit

[potent hornet]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bn0pf5_Bi9U

i'm so close

[gritty briar]

I don't think corrosion's damage is a dot though?

i guess you mean combustion

[manic beacon]

oh my bad you right

[potent hornet]

i'm wondering if switching to gilberta is the answer

or i just need to finish the stat side of my other characters to pump out that sliver of health that is left

[wind nebula]

Same deal. Damage over time doesn't crit

[oak vigil]

Crit doesn’t affect dot, it just affects direct damage (also only combustion does dot)

As far as my own testing goes, dot only increases from basic atk and that’s it

Still not worth doing by any means though, currently combustion is just for arts reaction consumption

[proud vector]

wait wait wait basic attack damage increases DoT damage?

oh you mean atk%

[oak vigil]

yeaaaaah

[gritty briar]

i was confused for a sec

[oak vigil]

It’s still meaningless even if you have like 1 billion atk stat

So much effort for nothing of a dot

[proud vector]

combustion should still scale with pyro dmg pretty sure

it does a decent amount of damage but its over a massive timespan of 10 seconds >.>

[wind nebula]

It would scale with arts intensity

[oak vigil]

Okay so you’ll use it for Wulfguard/Akekuri with arts intensity and even then it will be consumed 2 seconds later, doing nothing

https://tenor.com/view/man-chainsaw-chainsawman-csm-what-gif-523642207999463732

[wind nebula]

That's a Leav problem, not a combustion problem

[oak vigil]

True

[gritty briar]

unfortunately can't dump a shit ton of them during a stagger/buff window either
you only really get 1

[proud vector]

thats the main problem yeah, we don't let it ride for 10 seconds

oh does it snapshot

on stagger

[valid zealot]

LET IT RIDE

[proud vector]

or does it dynamically adjust

[wind nebula]

If they had designed leav consumption so that it redeemed the remaining combustion as one hit, then combustion would be in a better place

[proud vector]

laev was never a combustion centric operator regardless

[gritty briar]

that'd still just be more of a laev mechanic than combustion itself

[wind nebula]

Fair, she's cashing it in for ult

[valid zealot]

She does not eat combustion tho.

only heat

[proud vector]

but she takes up heat inflictions that could have been used for beeg fire

she's like LR style

[wind nebula]

I thought she ate combustion when you cast combo, have to look at her stuff again

[proud vector]

nom inflictions to benefit self

style character

[rare zodiac]

nah combustion eating is Wulf special

[oak vigil]

No, iirc only Wulfguard (and maybe Arclight? Please correct me if I am wrong, I dunno) can consume combustion

Okay no, only Wulfguard

[wind nebula]

That's true. I don't think laev teams actually spend the SP to consume it very often, now that I think about it

[oak vigil]

same point ^^^

[valid zealot]

Not at all.

[dry kindle]

Combustion sucks unless you can stack it anyway

[valid zealot]

Hai sworcege

[dry kindle]

1000% total effect

💀

[wind nebula]

1400 if you include initial hit. Edit: nvm they included that in the chart

[dry kindle]

1000 total

[rare zodiac]

funni thing is if you have combustion 4 and wulf eat it, you spend 100sp to do 1000% attack that consume 1000% dot

[gritty briar]

it's like 1450 when you include the level scaling that reactions have

at level 90

i mean i guess that's like an ult but only being able to fit 1 in whatever damage window you're buffing for kinda sucks

[wind nebula]

Napkin math says it competes with crush in raw numbers after just a few seconds thanks to difference in level mult

[gritty briar]

hmm

i guess that's not as bad as i thought

i feel like it's easier to stack and buff crush though

[nova lance]

Wut to do now? I basically maxed my laev, and etch and artificed my supports. Do I just build another team?

[wind nebula]

Yeah combustion is good, it just lacks support

Lack of crit does hurt it a bit though, especially in the long run

[warm galleon]

You can keep farming mats for future banner, I'm farming random essences so I can feed it to Rossi's wep essence.

Better than building another team you may not even use

[gritty olive]

prefarm me

i just try to gather mats id potentially need

[nova lance]

👍

[dry kindle]

Cool now buff it

💀

[blissful juniper]

Does ancient canal passive work on the first proc of da pan's combo skill? What I mean does he proc the weapon buff during or after his combo skill. Me feels like if I hit his second combo skill feels stronger than the first combo skill. But can't really tell if it's higher or not.

[paper sand]

if i cant kill triaggelos 2nd phase before it does a second sapling attack does that mean im just not ready to trim it

[potent hornet]

unless you have some good aoe

[paper sand]

using ember chen lifeng endmin

so its like ehh aoe

[potent hornet]

yea at that point you won't get the trim

[edgy crater]

2nd boom? reset lol

[potent hornet]

but doesn't mean you can't finish it

[paper sand]

no point in finishing if i cant trim

[edgy crater]

also, slap food, 4 gingseng we trust

[potent hornet]

i actually got pretty lucky on my trim and the first group of little dudes kinda stacked for LR to just nuke with her battle skill

[paper sand]

jakub gives me more atk somehow

at least for endmin

[potent hornet]

odd

[edgy crater]

pray crit

[drifting quest]

Jakubs can give more than ginseng

Differs per unit, gear, weapon, etc.

[potent hornet]

after a certain point yet i guess

[paper sand]

i dont wanna reset for crit and grind for fillets

[edgy crater]

theres some kind of breaking point between them isn't

[drifting quest]

Depends on various factors

[potent hornet]

well there always is when you look at %vsflat

[edgy crater]

yeah, its too varies

[potent hornet]

we only have one source of flat tho outside of our weapons

food

so any dps build that is maining their dps stat should always want the 180 flat since they should have like 300+% dmg from their stats

[drifting quest]

Not necessarily

[paper sand]

current team, can trim rhodagn with jakubs but not triaggelos

should i prio ember or lifeng's essence first

oh just realized they still have food buffs LOL

[drifting quest]

Odds are it's a rotation issue

[paper sand]

yeah true im kinda just throwing shit around on triaggelos

theres no vids that use ember and at the same time DONT use pog so im at a loss

[summer flower]

Hmmm

[blissful juniper]

Pog makes it easier by funnelling the mobs together which I'm guessing is your main problem prolly? I guess you are running into SP issues too

[paper sand]

if using pog, when am i supposed to breach triaggelos on phase 2?

[blissful juniper]

You don't even have to breach, just Ult so everything sticks together for the mobs

[paper sand]

it always feels like the stagger window is too short

[summer flower]

Isn't it ember BS or Chen BS, Chen combo, endmin combo, lifeng bs, lifeng combo, endmin battle skill/ultimate?

[paper sand]

i feel like i do need the breach cause i dont think i have enough raw firepower

[summer flower]

That's 3 sp skills for 4 vunl crush isn't it?

With link?

[paper sand]

i dont use ember BS at all, i'm doing lifeng bs -> chen cs -> endmin cs -> wait for chen cs cd then rise and repeat

use ember cs whenever she gets hit

lifeng has to be the first one (no p1) to apply phys sus

[summer flower]

But don't you want link on endmin skill?

[paper sand]

oh yeah forgot about that part

hmm

but the link appears when theres like only 2 vuln stacks

should i use more sp for 3 vuln and then link endmin? or just link endmin on 2 stacks

[summer flower]

Lifeng combo off their BS

So can be taken as separate element right?

[paper sand]

yea

[summer flower]

Also forgot about ember combo

[paper sand]

this

i have little control on when she gets hit cause say we're in stagger window

that part is to me an occasional free vuln stack, i use her more as a stagger bot

[summer flower]

She is good at it with sundered prince

But someone was talking about lifeng being better for stagger

[paper sand]

[summer flower]

Which at p0 sundered is true

But its not accounting slow skills

SP gen was kinda iffy cause eyeballed?

[paper sand]

do i use lifeng link purely on endmin skill? or is it more for like, chen ult or lifeng ult

[drifting quest]

Link is from Lifeng combo, some timelines will let his combo expire to delay the link and better align it

[summer flower]

Ohh wait, you want on lifeng ultimate probably

Ember 1 vunl, Chen 2 vunl

[drifting quest]

You can link endmin skill or ult, depending on scenario

[summer flower]

Then you go with lifeng skill

[drifting quest]

Sometimes chen ult

[summer flower]

Then you do endmin crush

[odd wren]

Aethertech endmin without ardelia corrosion > susc

[summer flower]

Then you do lifeng combo skill and ultimate

[odd wren]

Swordmancer endmin without ardelia corrosion> susc

[summer flower]

You got 4 vunl crush

[peak void]

refreshes well spent

[summer flower]

And 2 more vunl prepared

[peak void]

honestly i cant even remember what i bought

[odd wren]

@static pewter @gaunt mason damn aethertech endmin is the way it seems

[summer flower]

Isn't pog susc source?

[odd wren]

Talking about overall dps

[drifting quest]

Whats the assumptions

[odd wren]

Ardelia corrosion into susc from her battle skill

[drifting quest]

What team what boss what rotation

[peak void]

wait ardelia?

[drifting quest]

Weapon gear etc

[peak void]

whar

[odd wren]

Rhodagn of course

[drifting quest]

Ardelia is not the default for phys so seems weird to use it

[odd wren]

This is lapplan when's doc btw

[peak void]

it is quite weird yea

[odd wren]

Its not, its for nuke purposes

Hiragi did 1.4m nuke

[paper sand]

breach?

[static pewter]

Idk but I just like big dmg

[paper sand]

i knew i was walking into hell when i started investing phys

[drifting quest]

Pure nuke sure

[odd wren]

I compared since i toggled ardelia off and stanza

[drifting quest]

The lack of context made it seem like you were suggesting it for general content

[odd wren]

Aethertech even without her seems better

[static pewter]

When we get new update on lappland's doc we might see how big is the diff

[summer flower]

It should be runnable in general content

Like you want probably only one sp skill per crush skill

[odd wren]

Sorry about that but this is on my case since i have p5 gv and p5 never rest which really made the my dmg sky rocket

[summer flower]

And preferably single vunl being enough to kill so not tied to combo cooldowns

[odd wren]

Yup

I even did 20 seconds new agony stage 1 without breach

Using akekuri instead of pog

[odd wren]

Yeah

[summer flower]

Lapplands doc?

[odd wren]

Yes he made a calculator

[civic wolf]

h-huh?

I thought the agenda is Yvonne bad
https://www.rxddit.com/r/Endfield/comments/1rg1fh3/jp_and_cn_tier_list/

[summer flower]

It's not in pinned

[odd wren]

Actually you can directly ask him a out it hahaha

@gaunt mason

[summer flower]

👉 👈

[drifting quest]

Usable yeah not better

[summer flower]

I wanna remind that combat starts with 2 sp bars

[drifting quest]

Tier lists for those are also bad

I mean one is basically just reskinned prydwen lmao

Prydwen bad but here is a tier list thats basically the same

[summer flower]

If someone is running R1 basics on everyone then suffering in general is of their creation

[drifting quest]

Yvonne is better (marginally) than before thanks to new tech

[edgy crater]

did i just see someone slap 3 limied +eyja as ss tier

[drifting quest]

But still has significant gameplay caveats

[edgy crater]

also disregard entire physical team lol

[odd wren]

I already did a comparison in game between swordmancer and aether for endmin for context here are my gears on endmin and stats

I find aether much better on my end in general contents than swordmancer

[gaunt mason]

only for nuke

if you look at the rotation sim below it’s worse

[summer flower]

Swordmancer is kinda, bait most of time

[drifting quest]

Differs by content and investment

Its the most consistent into the most content

[summer flower]

👉 👈
Can I get doc?

[odd wren]

Exactly my point thats why i said on my end xd

But once maybe you get to p5 gv

[drifting quest]

Covered a bit in iana's iirc

[odd wren]

Maybe

[drifting quest]

Else ping me in 4-5h and ill find more

I have a couple cn ones and 1 kr one

To dig through today

[gaunt mason]

the rotations section might be broken rn

[odd wren]

Oh oh

[gaunt mason]

i messed with it last night and something broke idk if i fixed it before going to sleep

[summer flower]

I don't mind some issues

[gaunt mason]

https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/1e77bTxjox1QDKTibmQ_BAYsuafiVNt4QfnLxdVZQjJg/edit?usp=sharing

[odd wren]

I mean if its for doing contents where you really dont do rotations having that extra arts intensity is really better for me

But i would still say for the general users

Swordmancer is still the way to go

[gaunt mason]

yeah sm is slightly better if you’re doing consistent 434

[drifting quest]

The swordmancer hits arent nothing for total dpr too

[gaunt mason]

and you get stagger

[summer flower]

Ehh, which ones?

[gaunt mason]

250% set effect

[odd wren]

Ngl i think once i hit crit on my end i think i can one phase rhod

If only my damage in a single rotation doesnt proc p2 which most of the time happens

[gaunt mason]

[summer flower]

Yea, I dunno, that's 250% at best every 15sec

[gaunt mason]

there’s a rotation builder at the very bottom of the sheet that was added upon request

i think it’s a bit broken tho

[summer flower]

While I would say doing math of every 15sec would be bad

[gaunt mason]

it’s not super important damage

[drifting quest]

Ignoring stagger which is hard to numerate

Its 1k multiplier/min

[gaunt mason]

but it is like 70-100k per rot

[drifting quest]

Which certainly isnt huge

But its not nothing

[gaunt mason]

editing sheets on mobile is so ass

[drifting quest]

I just dont bother

[civic wolf]

best tower DPS for lazy etch farming?

[drifting quest]

It can wait till Im on pc

[drifting quest]

Mix of he grenade, beam and whatever the sgt one is

Im blanking on the name

[civic wolf]

tempted to just idle these

[drifting quest]

You can put a heal tower down

[civic wolf]

after seeing a reddit post about using a medical tower

[drifting quest]

And afk in it

Yeah

Some alluviums have safe spaces you can go stand and afk too

No healing tower

[civic wolf]

i use full wuling grenade tower

whats the diff betwene beam and sgt?

[summer flower]

You just responded with what I claimed to be bad

[drifting quest]

What

[summer flower]

Perfect 15 sec between trigger on swordmancer

Are you TAS player?

[drifting quest]

Its pretty easy to line up somewhat consistently
Obviously there will be exceptions where you do less

But over time the average is fine

[summer flower]

You counting maximum possible frequency as average with that assumption

[peak void]

depends which alluvium

[drifting quest]

I mean if you are misaligned on rotations then sure but

Seems weird to assume as much when something like aethertech has the same issues

Moot point

[peak void]

either you spam tesla or have 80/20 beam tesla

sentry is best for wuling tho

[gaunt mason]

tbf you're not activating it during the breach cycle

but if we're comparing to aethertech, endmin can't even activate the set effect

[summer flower]

Like I was saying regarding swordmancer set, aether tech I was talking about general content

[gaunt mason]

general content like overworld??

[summer flower]

Yep

Endim intesity on crush

Using 2 sp skills to do crush for mostly clearing group

[gaunt mason]

i don't think that's relevant to this channel lol

[summer flower]

It's been brought up as issue with aether tech build endmin

Which I disagree as being issue with gearing itself

At most it's issue with team comp being based on crush

[drifting quest]

Tangtang reveal in a bit over 48h anyway

[gaunt mason]

endmin found dead in a ditch

[summer flower]

Exaggerated if someone is doing optimised investment

[drifting quest]

Endmin back to benchwarming

Until they do the funniest shit and reveal she isnt phys

[gaunt mason]

yvonne support trust

[drifting quest]

It would be

So funny

If yvonne 'needs' 3 banners in a row

[summer flower]

Crit based support

And Yvonne is back

[drifting quest]

Pull gilb pull yvonne pull tangtang

[summer flower]

All haters put in shackles

[drifting quest]

[summer flower]

Ohh

Yea Spain (s is silent)

[gaunt mason]

3 limiteds for the same performance as lr

[drifting quest]

B-but these tier lists said yvonne is SS tier

LR is only S tier

[neat snow]

i am glorious ss tier user

[summer flower]

Tierlists said dont investment in endmin didn't they?

[drifting quest]

Some

Because shocker tier lists are not good

[summer flower]

I know

I don't even bother looking them up