theorycrafting

[midnight stirrup]

Skip everything else tho

[unreal light]

I have a theory that parents wanted to name tangtang as bang bang, but their hand slipped

[midnight stirrup]

They wanted to name her bangbang but after doing the bangbang it hit too close home

So they made it tangtang

[next helm]

Holy shit I am dogshit at this game

[unreal light]

Mods actually don’t like that theory

[next helm]

30 fps doesn't help dodging the ram guys on 2nd map

[midnight stirrup]

Uhm

Isnt tangtang a child

[unreal light]

No way

[rare zodiac]

If skill issues Catcher can save u

[unreal light]

Bro how’s she a child

[drifting berry]

good idea to share a screenshot of the message that got you a warning

[rare zodiac]

https://tenor.com/view/coffin-dance-coffin-dead-coffin-dance-dead-man-dead-gif-1795768380065876519

[unreal light]

Here

[rare zodiac]

The younger the soul the tighter the h

[unreal light]

LMAO

[midnight stirrup]

Wdym how

[unreal light]

She’s not a child

That’s like idk calling surtr a child or so

[next helm]

Wtf did I just read

[unreal light]

Calling Chen a child

[distant python]

Ah yes the child leads an entire outlaw organisation

Very probable

[midnight stirrup]

Tangtang legit acts 14

Looks like a child

[unreal light]

Me too

[midnight stirrup]

Next youll say Rossi aint one

[unreal light]

Ahh feelscrafting it is

[unreal light]

Rossi is one

[midnight stirrup]

No its common sense

[unreal light]

Tangtang is not

Chen acts like a child

[drifting berry]

Yvonne a child then?

[unreal light]

Is she a child?

[distant python]

Arguing about age of characters in a videogame

[midnight stirrup]

Yall weird

[distant python]

Incredible topic

[midnight stirrup]

Its not even about the age shit is fictional

[neat snow]

Some of you going on a list

[midnight stirrup]

Its of the depiction of the char

And they look and act like a child

[drifting berry]

idk he brough up the topic of age

[midnight stirrup]

Why some of yall attracted to that

Sus

[distant python]

God forbid someone act silly

[midnight stirrup]

Act silly into a warn like Horny

[unreal light]

Oh there is a name banned on the server lmao

[unreal light]

People that use “these are just pixels” argument, when they see pixels on the Jeffrey Einstein photoes

[tight haven]

worst topic ever atp

[distant python]

I got a warn for speaking like that about Emma frost in the rivals discord

[midnight stirrup]

Tf got the rivals discord to do with this one

[unreal light]

Feelscrafting again

Adults cannot act childish

[distant python]

Being this silly about any character gets you a warn

[unreal light]

Yvonne is 4years old

[midnight stirrup]

Whatever u say king

Yall weird for liking Tangtang like that

[unreal light]

Oh we should rather like last rite like you, do we

[glacial jackal]

tang tang lowkey sleeper build

[next helm]

Who designed this battle 💀

[midnight stirrup]

Im not attracted to Last Rite tho

[unreal light]

Pfp checks out

[midnight stirrup]

I can say the same about urs then

[summer flower]

Half blind folds are fake

[distant python]

I'm attracted to ember yep

[unreal light]

You can

[midnight stirrup]

Two adults that are a couple but depicts the one where shes a child

[summer flower]

I can play pc with my winter cap on my eyes

And that's not even accounting possible looking between it and face

[glacial jackal]

thats fing child

[unreal light]

It’s a shared pfp, chosen by my wife

[glacial jackal]

name checks out

[unreal light]

And as she acts childish, I guess she’s 4 years old or so

[midnight stirrup]

I know where its from

[unreal light]

According to peppercat

[frozen tide]

Pepper is a smoke demon

[midnight stirrup]

Im just stating ur argument is dumb af

[tight haven]

bro the hole aint getting shallower

[midnight stirrup]

Saying im attracted to Last Rite bc I have her as pfp

[frozen tide]

Always running the fade in akefo tc

[glacial jackal]

theory crafting : yvonne is kid

[frozen tide]

Who is kid

[glacial jackal]

andre said that

[midnight stirrup]

True

I stand by what I said tho

[distant python]

Time to bring out the nekopara age conversion arguments

[frozen tide]

???????

How about we like do the opposite

[next helm]

Just scrap the fucking convo

[unreal light]

Nah you’re just using whataboutism

[glacial jackal]

yvonne

[next helm]

[frozen tide]

Of bringing up these things

Like bottle it down

Or smth

[distant python]

Excellent idea

[midnight stirrup]

Why you so defensive about it then

[unreal light]

I have never hidden that I want to bang bang tangtang

[glacial jackal]

what was the argumet btw

[midnight stirrup]

Not the point

[summer flower]

Okay, so if grandpa says you kid you are kid?

[midnight stirrup]

But Schling is right

[distant python]

Gg warn number 2 incoming

[summer flower]

Or just youngling in comparison?

[glacial jackal]

your wife is ok with that ?

[midnight stirrup]

Holy strawman argument

[unreal light]

Is a reoccurring topic

[unreal light]

Yes, she wants too

[glacial jackal]

gg

me three

[calm field]

lets see if tc is cooking something
scroll up a bit

[glacial jackal]

the position in strory was diabolical

[calm field]

[glacial jackal]

tc : who are kids in endfield

[unreal light]

I’m driving insane copying each skill in game in the spreadsheet

[midnight stirrup]

[unreal light]

https://tenor.com/view/programming-gif-26165222

[oblique mirage]

is there anyone use eminent repute? is that weapon good?

[unreal light]

Spreadsheeters when their formula shows a different error message

[frozen tide]

Eminent is like

[tight haven]

watching my friends bum ass laevs get cortisol-spiked into the next world by those two rhinos

[frozen tide]

Ok as a general option

Its basically a 5 star

A good 5 star

[next helm]

Who designed this shit

[chilly bolt]

what is enemy weight stat used for, lift ?

[unreal light]

Lifted

[glacial jackal]

they want ppl to use defenders or doge like bullfighters

[summer flower]

Crush was easy

[next helm]

I can't dodge with 20fps

Can never do a final strike

[unreal light]

Buy more fps

[chilly bolt]

so you can lift enemy with weight 1, cant against weigh 2

[glacial jackal]

trust you can

[chilly bolt]

but how about weight 1.5

[next helm]

When you ult you can't dodge after

[tight haven]

we need a ho'ol

[glacial jackal]

yeah

[summer flower]

Hit some hits, dodge hit more,

[tight haven]

it is imperative that i am able to lift rhodagn

[summer flower]

Vunl stacks cannot be consumed

[unreal light]

So people lose at her instead of getting muelsyse on the limited banner

[tight haven]

including me.

i think i got p4 mumu p10 ho'ol

in 300

[frozen tide]

Hool is hot

Hoot

[summer flower]

What is that

[tight haven]

shes hot but i cant forgive her

[unreal light]

Hool is hagslop

[midnight stirrup]

Who is Hool

[glacial jackal]

and they are uninterruptible on top

[tight haven]

this asshole

shared a banner with my girl

[glacial jackal]

why

[rugged kiln]

wtf is this g00ner chat

[midnight stirrup]

Oh sick snake background

Btw

Enion

Why tf u p5 gilb

[tired bay]

I can't believe all these mf ytber are saying rossi is nature type

[midnight stirrup]

She is cryo duh

[frozen tide]

Posting arknights official in game default character illustration is g00ner

[unreal light]

Well, there were rumors on that topic

[frozen tide]

Apparently

[tight haven]

issover

[tight haven]

it was an extremely cheap p5

[chilly bolt]

i like the song tho

[tight haven]

plus i think shes cute

[midnight stirrup]

The intent was still p5

U aint slick

[tight haven]

sigh

[frozen tide]

Absolute baddie in all definitions

[midnight stirrup]

TRUEEE

Her profile art is ass tho

Icl

[calm field]

[frozen tide]

I wish i had gilb p2

[tight haven]

your greed sickens me

[unreal light]

Wait she acts childish, means she’s 6yo

[tired bay]

Mf you can see the fire burning effect in her fk shadow

[frozen tide]

I would have gone for it if it didn't take 115(125) pulls for gilb p0

[glacial jackal]

but this is my girl her voice is majestic

[tight haven]

it kinda is

LOL

[frozen tide]

I can't afford to do 300 more pulls for gilb p2

[midnight stirrup]

Thought we dropped it why u circling back around

[frozen tide]

[next helm]

m0

[midnight stirrup]

Yes u can

[tight haven]

and shes STAYING that way

[glacial jackal]

she is useless

[unreal light]

Im just stating ur argument is dumb af

[midnight stirrup]

Ikr

They didnt do her justice

[chilly bolt]

pot6 but only sl7 lol

[midnight stirrup]

?

Why u mad bro

[frozen tide]

Why is he doing this

[midnight stirrup]

We dropped it

Get a grip pleek

[frozen tide]

The more you talk about it the more people associate you with it

[midnight stirrup]

THANK U

[frozen tide]

Yo

Why is there

A wise tree

In the back

Chilling

[unreal light]

Oh damn if only people didn’t associate me with whatever

[frozen tide]

https://tenor.com/view/tree-wise-25-this-game-is-a-must-have-mystic-gif-26796015

[unreal light]

Canon

[frozen tide]

😭

[glacial jackal]

i dont understand

[frozen tide]

Theres a wise tree edited in staring in the back

[unreal light]

At his shield

[glacial jackal]

ooh

[tight haven]

i cant be too mad cuz goddamn

all her animations got top marks for effort

[midnight stirrup]

Yeah Gilb is great

[tight haven]

she just does not stay still lmao

[midnight stirrup]

I love her

[tight haven]

p2 skadi from a top op... i guess ill take it

[midnight stirrup]

Iana the goat for saying gilb is actually not bad with lr

Cause I aint using midelia

[glacial jackal]

i only like her voice lines

[chilly bolt]

gil was never bad with any team, just requires more effort to work

[unreal light]

For the record you also did say that you love Last Rite

[rare zodiac]

@bronze plume he is call sheep mid, bite him

[glacial jackal]

gil solves lr aoe problem

[unreal light]

[frozen tide]

Gilb has a very girlypop personality

Always talking about lipstick and clothes

[summer flower]

Laev ultimate DMG isn't arts DMG isn't it?

[frozen tide]

Shes always shaking or swaying or whatever youd call it

[unreal light]

She’s trippin

[chilly bolt]

wdym, laevatin ult doesnt do dmg

[frozen tide]

It gets effected by both sources that increase btk dmg and heat dmg

[unreal light]

I saw a couple doing the same moves in LA

[frozen tide]

The fent calisthenics

[summer flower]

Is it affected by arts susceptibility?

[frozen tide]

Yes

[chilly bolt]

ofc

[summer flower]

?

[frozen tide]

[summer flower]

What? Isn't arts susceptibility reverse side of coin of arts intensity?

[unreal light]

It increases the damage taken from arts

[summer flower]

Which damage is "arts"

[unreal light]

Non-phys

[summer flower]

Isn't it reactions bursts + Phys equivalent?

[drifting berry]

Anything that is stated to be arts

[leaden mantle]

How do you balance out doing dmg on the two bulls? Without using a physical tram. I can build one, but I already focusing on lvling a certain unit. I don’t have any units that provide cc. (Do I just put them into a corner?)

[unreal light]

Non-phys

[unreal light]

I mean the first bull has to be killed at the moment the second spawns, idk

🤔

[drifting berry]

https://vxreddit.com/r/Endfield/comments/1rbw3ms/spoiler_surtr_team_experience_in_the_new_umbral/?utm_source=share&utm_medium=web3x&utm_name=web3xcss&utm_term=1&utm_content=share_button

I hate these bulls fr

[summer flower]

"Arts Intensity further increases the damage done by the various Physical Statuses, Arts Bursts and Arts Reactions"

[leaden mantle]

But then it gets health regeneration and attack boost if you kill one

[glacial jackal]

not possible as second one spawns at 50% hp

[halcyon lark]

aHAHAHAHA this is why i liked yvonne here better.

[leaden mantle]

I assume ranged dpses are better for this?

[halcyon lark]

no, yvonne can freeze.

which makes this stage a breeze

[glacial jackal]

you can use defenders to make it possible to survive and parry

[summer flower]

I don't remember seeing tooltip saying non physical DMG is arts damage

[unreal light]

Well, you just finish the first one at the moment second comes in, idk

[halcyon lark]

This too snowshine is kinda good at this stage.

[unreal light]

Well and then you kill second one

[leaden mantle]

Nice rhyme

[unreal light]

There is, look up

[frozen tide]

I have a way to align it

[summer flower]

Where

[drifting berry]

Snowshine goated for got Last Rite and Yvonne on that stage

[glacial jackal]

you can bust him when near 50 hp but its so edgy

[bold rose]

is it true that at 260% ult regen gilb gets ult off one combo

[unreal light]

In game, look up the definitions

[unreal light]

Idk I’ve cleared at first attempt

Ftp

[glacial jackal]

team ?

[halcyon lark]

260% ult regen kinda makes gilb spam ult no problem: Her ult turns into an affliction applier instead of just a debuff.

[neat snow]

I didn't have a problem with Laev team

[halcyon lark]

which is perfect for mah yvonne.

[frozen tide]

There's a weird thing you can do that i forgot about that should make it easily align

[drifting berry]

I should try that, maybe that helps my Yvonne rotations a bit. idk why I never see any mentions of that build tho

[midnight stirrup]

I doubt Beef cares what I think about Ardelia

[drifting berry]

I remember a mention of 300% Energy regen build on Gilberta

[midnight stirrup]

Why is bro still going

[halcyon lark]

that requires you to max out her sig i think.

[chilly bolt]

swap to xaihi?

[frozen tide]

I was just thinking you initiate cs for ult charge and insta dodge cancel

[drifting berry]

Yeah, seems to be the case

[frozen tide]

That way you can just corrosion right after

Or whenever you want

Since you don't have to corrosion before cs hits

[chilly bolt]

ah that makes sense

[leaden mantle]

Would snow shine at lvl 20 survive? If I used her as a parry bot, or just try dodging

[frozen tide]

So 15 secs before rite ult would end you corrosion

[summer flower]

Quite nested

[chilly bolt]

but again this sounds like too much effort for what it worth

[leaden mantle]

Do characters take damage if they parry?

[glacial jackal]

@unreal light this was my team but it took me several attempts

[river scroll]

do we have other theorycrafting server? that actually do collect theorycrafting result?

having only 1 sheet pinned is kinda sad

[frozen tide]

Could make or break a future speedkill

[chilly bolt]

they shouldnt

[frozen tide]

Time will tell

[summer flower]

Parry implies they shouldn't, unless stated otherwise

[midnight stirrup]

No

But feel free to take initiative

[river scroll]

damn...

[leaden mantle]

Do most people dodge into the charge to avoid it?

[drifting quest]

Tc is a bunch of small subcommunities

Group chats and the like

[chilly bolt]

idk, you can dodge any direction you like

[drifting quest]

This is the only semi big one I know of and it has its issues as you can see

[river scroll]

but not having any result is kinda...
usually TC do collect their testing result or collection of data

[summer flower]

I didn't see new meme about new trimmed medal for new umbral

[drifting quest]

define result

[unreal light]

One of the first tutorials

[summer flower]

I already said I found it

[unreal light]

I wasn’t pinged so I was unaware

[summer flower]

And it's quite nested when looking for it from operator

[river scroll]

recommended gear, recommended consumable for char, recommended team building, formula for how the game work, etc

[drifting quest]

there's no need for multiple docs in that case

[summer flower]

Recommended for to drop progress on endmin xD

[drifting quest]

if 1 is correct

[unreal light]

But it has assumptions

[drifting quest]

everything in tc has assumptions

whats your point

[unreal light]

But I agree, there is only need for other guides if they confront the main one

[drifting quest]

the more different guides you have the weaker the overall tc is

[unreal light]

Otherwise it is just an echochamber

[drifting quest]

because if there are that many disagreements then people are likely wrong

[river scroll]

correct is very dependant. tbh not much peoples outside of here like that sheet. that sheet feel like too much of assuming a team is either bad or good. putting progression rating on LR with gloomy cat isn't really a good way to convey how a char is.

[neat snow]

Then make your own sheet

[unreal light]

Then we are of no difference from prydwen

[drifting quest]

have you tried to do progression with last rite?

[unreal light]

State something with a straight face so everyone believes and plays that

[river scroll]

yes?

[drifting quest]

have you also tried to do progression with laevatein?

[river scroll]

I'm using LR team

[drifting berry]

Am I missing something?

Gilberta base Ult Gain 100% + Messenger's Song Gilberta's talent +7%, Delivery Guaranteed Ult gain lvl9 +46.43%, Xiarite kit lvl3 +32.0%*2, Xiarite Gloves lvl 3 +26.7%, Tide fall armor lvl 3 + 16%.

In total you can get at most 260,13% Ult gain efficiency from what I see, are there any other sources of Ult efficiency gain that am I missing?

[drifting quest]

with premium physical?

with shatter

[summer flower]

What's premium physical again?

[drifting quest]

lifeng pog chen payoff

[unreal light]

Lifeng pog

[drifting quest]

either dapan or endmin

[summer flower]

I dropped pog

Put perlica avyenna combo

[unreal light]

Tc

[river scroll]

let me guess, because using other team is easier. it is correct to put a gloomy meme cat into rating, like saying LR is literally the worst char or literally impossible to use for progressing?

[summer flower]

Chen endming crush, perlica avyenna on side for avyenna skill

[rare zodiac]

My sister was like that too until i trained her cat to bite her ankles whenever she is near

[drifting quest]

impossible? no
a lot more problematic, harder to use and overall worse experience? yes

[unreal light]

#team-build

[drifting quest]

thats the point???

[summer flower]

Dunno, heavy swords are nice for progression

[neon cave]

technically the non-set redeemer seal kit gives more ultimate gain efficiency if you only care about that stat *but it's only like +1% more each

[unreal light]

Don’t think it’s anti-LR, There also is Yvonne censore

[summer flower]

Like when moving around to do stuff, ember is more pleasant than endmin Chen combo

Less susceptible to issues with not whole group cleared

[river scroll]

No. putting a gloomy cat is like saying do not use LR team at all. you do not simply give misinfo like saying using a team make progression super hard or sweaty. while even using random team still able you to do progression fine, and won't make you have hell for progressing story

[neat snow]

so make your own sheet

[drifting quest]

for progression

she is

not good

which is reflected

[potent hornet]

i did pretty much the whole story with LR

[drifting berry]

Yeah, the thing is that I remember a mention of a 300% ult gain Gilberta build but it doesn't seems to be possible. Maybe with P4 Gilberta but who has that.

[summer flower]

Why she isn't good for progression?

[potent hornet]

she was fine

this game isn't hard

[summer flower]

I would say heavy sword move set is better for progression than endmin or Chen one

Better for dealing with groups of enemies

[potent hornet]

ehhh

[unreal light]

Is that a theorycrafting bar or something

[summer flower]

Bigger hitbox for attacks is such quality of life

[potent hornet]

LR struggles with aoe

[drifting quest]

wdym

[unreal light]

Do we define team ranks by progression

[drifting quest]

no

[potent hornet]

doesn't mean she can't deal with it

[summer flower]

Premium physical has almost none

[unreal light]

Then it’s of no use

[drifting quest]

its a nothingburger argument because of the way iana presented the fact last rite is not good for early game progression

shocker

[summer flower]

LR is heavy sword, Better on groups than one handed sword

[neon cave]

definitely seems to be her pots, unless theres a consumable buff?

[next helm]

I died mid ult enhanced battleskill

Now there is one ram with 5% hp that wulf can't kill

[summer flower]

Wulf 20/40?

[next helm]

60/80

[river scroll]

let say I make my sheet. it's not like everyone else haven't make one. but? what sheet is pinned? Just that 1. why? unknown.

[next helm]

The ram heals 3.6k every second

[drifting quest]

because iana's sheet is factual and correct to modern tc

[neat snow]

If you make one you can ask them to pin it 🙂

[drifting quest]

its reputable

[unreal light]

Do you see other sheets here?

[drifting quest]

peer reviewed

[summer flower]

Ekhem, peer reviewed?

[neat snow]

Or you can cry on reddit about it until the end of time

[river scroll]

it is very not reputable. it's is only reputable in here really...

[unreal light]

I mean only kura makes a big sheet

[summer flower]

When previous revisions were confirming bad info?

[drifting quest]

it has the support or two different reputable youtubers and several others who make TC content

[chilly bolt]

if only she gives that to strikers as well...

[drifting quest]

if thats not enough for you then good luck lmao

[summer flower]

How much revision there is, when experimention is crubed

[unreal light]

But was there any confirmation of good info

[summer flower]

And when doubt is taken badly

[neat snow]

Do you have any recommended sheets you want pinned? Or you just don't like the one pinned

[unreal light]

Bro prydwen also has a support of a remarkable YouTuber

[drifting quest]

the latter

[drifting quest]

who

[unreal light]

Guoba

[drifting quest]

guoba's stuff for them is outdated and they're aware

its why we're pushing for updates

[drifting berry]

Guoba is just getting involved because he was bussy with hsr

[midnight stirrup]

@dry kindle wya

[unreal light]

They don’t

[drifting quest]

they dont what

[chilly bolt]

gouba who

[summer flower]

They claimed reputable, meanwhile I'm taking fist of salt when looking for info in it

[unreal light]

Certified

[drifting berry]

Guobafield

[drifting quest]

again

old info

im well aware

[summer flower]

I didn't even ask cause I read about hsr

[drifting quest]

its why im writing a list of stuff thats wrong or outdated

and corrections

[drifting berry]

You can see how old the inforamtion is

[summer flower]

That's how we getting 0.8 DMG resistances

[drifting quest]

yeah its release info

prerelease even

[unreal light]

It says a lot about them having no clue how characters and basic reactions works

[drifting quest]

again why ive said on record numerous times prydwen isnt great right now

[unreal light]

Game8 2.0

[drifting quest]

ive not once defended prydwen

[chilly bolt]

sorry but i only trust content creators from ak (no flame)

[unreal light]

But it is backed by some known YouTubers, as that was your argument

[drifting berry]

About 50% is outdated information, it seems that a lot of character are getting some work tho

[summer flower]

At best you or someone else claimed it's good for people who wanna just quickly grab something useable

[drifting quest]

they had his calcs and info from prerelease

guoba's recs, calcs and information changed

prydwens did not

its absurd to try equate them

ignorant at best, dishonest at worst

[chilly bolt]

my goat

[summer flower]

I wonder, which way is better for more inflictions on flurorite? Ultimate gain or combo cooldown?

I wasn't doing ult gain math yet so I kinda would prefer to avoid it

[tight haven]

ult gain math is literally just arithmetic

a 3rd grader could do it its fine

[chilly bolt]

simple maths lol

[summer flower]

Where did i say I wasn't capable of doing?

I'm trying to delegate issue to you guys for different reasons

[drifting berry]

attacked out of nowhere lol

[unreal light]

[summer flower]

And I was hoping there is some sheet with ult breakpoints for every operator but doubt that

[tight haven]

it would need to be per team too

since dpr is a nonstandard unit of measure

[summer flower]

Per team?

Isn't it baseline changed by team?

[unreal light]

One cannot put away combo skill cooldowns and sp usage out of equation

[tight haven]

a dapan rotation is not as long as an endmin rotation is not as long as a laev rotation is not as long as an avywenna rotation

like a laev rot is typically* seen as either 3bs (with ardelia) or 4bs (with gilberta)

asterisk because people do like using different rotations so it does depend on playstyle

[summer flower]

My rotation is simple

Spam flurorite skill

[unreal light]

The it is simple for you to count that out

[unreal light]

It’s the worst choice for fluorite dps rotation

[summer flower]

I'm experimenting

[tight haven]

how many combos and battle skills

i can math it

[summer flower]

That's also most brain-dead-smort rotation there is

[unreal light]

You like have no way of returning your sp once you throw out two to three bombs

[tight haven]

sp return makes me mad as hell

[summer flower]

No sp return

No need to worry about it

Rotation is antal skill, florurtie skill spam until focus runs out

Then Antal then flurorite

And I wonder if ult gain would yield more than combo skill CD in terms of inflictions

[midnight stirrup]

@tight haven accept fr

[tight haven]

accept what

[midnight stirrup]

Friend request ya bingus

[tight haven]

mf i already did

[midnight stirrup]

Huh

[tight haven]

hmm

[midnight stirrup]

Chotto

[tight haven]

so like how much combo cd

frontiers?

[summer flower]

Fortniers

[lilac bloom]

fortnite

[summer flower]

Cause for ultimate gain I would probably be sacrificing set bonus

And like there is pot I think for reduced cooldown by 1 sec every sec

[midnight stirrup]

@frigid vector

Accept fr

[tight haven]

assuming m3 cskill thats a 5s reduction

[summer flower]

So like it's between 5 and 10 activations in

[tight haven]

how long is a fluorite final strike

[summer flower]

So it's let's say 10 seconds reduction Vs 5 second reduction

[tight haven]

actually wheres that sheet with sp/sec from basic attacking

youre onfielding fluorite yes

[summer flower]

3.7

[lilac bloom]

u wanna use pog ult after the combo skill right

[summer flower]

Yep

[lilac bloom]

bc the buffs should go to ur dps

[tight haven]

hmm

intuitively ult gain seems more likely to show gains but this is assuming youre keeping up 2 stacks consistently

[summer flower]

If ultimate ain't way and I get lifeng I might field him for sp generator with fs

[frigid vector]

soontm, once I'm logged on

[tight haven]

cskill reduction should be better for general play

[summer flower]

Two stacks? I keep all stacks

I never consume them

[tight haven]

ofc

but enemies die

[summer flower]

Yea, it's rhogodan setup tho

[tight haven]

oh okay

[frigid vector]

oh you meant

disc

[tight haven]

yeah ult gain should help more than frontiers

[frigid vector]

aye

[summer flower]

Thanks

Gonna make new build then

[unreal light]

The order does not matter, as long as you don’t cancel bs or cs animation with his ultimate

[tight haven]

mind you im not accounting for other stuff like dps

frontiers seems superior to any other set for fluorites personal damage

[next helm]

Can someone explain how my Laev died mid stagger?

[midnight stirrup]

@twilit quail

[summer flower]

Yea it's whole matching distribution

But gonna be checking now how it looks for ult gain

[lilac bloom]

does link boost the damage of crush

[potent hornet]

just the next skill used

[lilac bloom]

if that skill/ult is one that applies crush is the crush status buffed

[unreal light]

Crush is not a skill

[lilac bloom]

im asking bc iana's sheet uses the link on endmin skill in the phys sustainless rotation

[unreal light]

Iana’s sheet prefers chens ultimate over Endmin BS, crushed is not affected by link

It just happens that in some instances link is at the same time, when enemy has 4 vuln and you have no other skills to use

They also want to capitalize on GV passive

[lilac bloom]

ya this is the part i was looking at

[lilac bloom]

i forget what the trigger is on it

[unreal light]

No ulti is used, so they made sure to use link into gv buff

[unreal light]

Combo

Endmin combo triggers bonus phys damage for next bs/ult

[chilly bolt]

is xaihi bs amp or dmg% ?

[unreal light]

And you double down on that damage with link

[unreal light]

Amp

[lilac bloom]

is it worth getting m9 on endmin then?

m3 on bs cs and ult

[unreal light]

when you get m3 on endmins ulti, your rot becomes Ult into Battle Skill

[unreal light]

The content is beatable without any masteries, you may just apply them to your beloved characters

But yeah basically if you want bigger damage, you mastery skills

That’s a no-brainer

[lost void]

LR she is clumsy and dorky

[chilly bolt]

Currently i have 6 M3 skills, working on 7th one, didn't expect game to give this many crowns

I regret buying them from aic quota

[next helm]

I first tried with like a 20% invested phys team

It took 5 mins but done

[lilac bloom]

i mean idk

[next helm]

[lilac bloom]

its 6 per m3 skill

so you've gone through 36 which is more than i have

and i havent purchased any crowns

[chilly bolt]

And i still have like 18 left

[lost void]

shatter is rxn but cryo phys

meaning there will be more combination with the rest in the future.

[safe sand]

endmin doesn't get the atkbuff for the second BS yea?

[lost void]

Actually the parry mechanics on BS skill of SS & Catcher shouldn't be classified as parry but counter rather as parry by design only negates an incoming damage such as block,evasion, miss, blind, glancing blow and the likes.

[noble tapir]

I’d say no. Most of endmin’s damage is the crush not her bs which isn’t effected by bs level, and the cs cd going down doesn’t really matter cause you still end up having to wait for pog cs anyway

[lost void]

As of now but when ??? unlocks:

• OC now stacks twice
• CS & ulti has chance not to consume OC by x%
• OC is considered shattered but doesn't consume it while used under seal debuff, enforced by extends seal duration by x seconds talent
• after OC is consumed, Endmin now deals aether damage over time effect

[safe sand]

It's #theorycrafting not #theorydelusion 🗿

[modest thorn]

Wait is this real 💀

[unreal light]

It’s feelscrafting

[dense hatch]

Why does iana hate Yvonne so much?
(Aka, does anyone have the numbers for why LR outperforms Yvonne so hard? Like, how bad is it actually?)

[neat snow]

[finite oriole]

I thought they hate everyone except laev

[drifting quest]

Yvonne has like 20-40 kit / gameplay / team / build / weapon issues

Maybe 40 is hyperbolic

30 at the most

[unreal light]

The main word here is like

[drifting quest]

Its all relative

Which people dont tend to understand

Yvonne is bad relative to every other meta team

[drifting berry]

-Lack of good team options
-Requires high investment (Needs another limited character on her team unlikely Laev or Last Rite)
-Single Target
-Most of her skills can be dodge
-Rotations are clunky (Cryo and Nature application is awkward, high SP consumption)
-Needs to consume Cryo or Nature for ult energy (Limits her team options)
-Damage isn't that high even if you do all her rotations correctly.
-Ult damage is backloaded and forces you to stay still for a long period of time.

[unreal light]

It’s theorycrafting, not feelscrafting

[drifting quest]

She can clear it just is harder with more investment needed

[lusty relic]

I feel like current dps calculations don't really matter since the bosses have really short phases or just die before a full rotation

[drifting berry]

that about it I think, still if you get Yvonne and Gilberta it's just a matter of understanding her rotations and her rotation at least are very flexible

[drifting quest]

there's a reason some people use rpm metric

rhodagns per minute

[unreal light]

Source?

[drifting quest]

?

bilibili.tv

[unreal light]

Made up?

[drifting quest]

every tc source going

what else

maybe not youtube they clickbait too much

[remote fern]

For Gilberta P5 SIG P5, the stagger build better?

[unreal light]

If there are so many, it won’t be a problem for you to refer to a single one

[drifting quest]

ignoring iana doc

[dense hatch]

Ye but that's why we're here right? To discuss relative strength

[unreal light]

Does iana show their calculations?

[drifting quest]

they started to now i think

they were doing yvonne stuff

[unreal light]

I think is our next level of theorycrafting

[dense hatch]

The cryo and nature is only cause gilberta is her only decent support right? Like a fire/electric unit "could" come out that supports her down the line

[summer flower]

Ehh, doesn't snowshine block dmg?

[drifting berry]

Yeah, Gilberta skill is bad to apply nature (100sp and can be dodge) and Xiahi Skill takes 2 last strikes for it to activate which makes rotation longer.

She would be in a much better spot if Alesh was able to apply cryo on his combo or something.

[noble tapir]

She needs a Chen/Wulf

But for cryo

[lost void]

but by block only mitigates the damage however SS & catcher retaliates after the block so it is a counterattack.

Only difference with the two vs Ember,
the counter attack is CS, doesn't mitigates damage but heals back whatever damage received instead.

[dense hatch]

Gotcha.
But then it'd still just be better for LR kek

[noble tapir]

Yeah :(

[drifting quest]

Yes but others looking in who dont read treat it as black and white

[summer flower]

Yea parry mitigates damage, counter Is hit back

[noble tapir]

I guess we could get a nature Chen/wulf. that’d be better for Yvonne than LR

[summer flower]

Parry is good word for attacking and mitigating dmg

[lost void]

Doesn't she have an aoe damage somewhere? I think it is similar to Fluorite's sticky bomb but cryo

[summer flower]

Ember is counter attack

Also it heals by amount not by what DMG was done

[drifting berry]

Skill and combo have AOE but that's mainly important for Daily content, if the mobs are to high level it's sometimes not enough.

Tho on this umbral it was enough in my experience.

Gilberta skill + Yvonne skill does decent damage

[summer flower]

Single sheet In pinned you gotta have people following THE Sheet meta

[safe sand]

iana's sheet is literally just a list of the best performing teams

[summer flower]

It took me time to be suttborn when talking about pog close to release

[safe sand]

of which yvonne is probably the worst

[summer flower]

To not drop investing in ending

[echo cove]

Best healing item in the game?

[summer flower]

Which was good choice for time as I do not have p4 panda

While panda probably wants p5 to even be considered better at specific investments

[safe sand]

rell i literally have no idea what you're talking about 💀

[dense hatch]

Ye, I was hoping to see the actual numbers.
Like if their reaction to Yvonne was that drastic and it's just a 5% difference in total DMG over a rotation, then I'd pull

[summer flower]

I'm talking how I expirenced wrong advice

[drifting berry]

Unfortuantelly I believe there's not an actuall damage comparison made yet, try to look for that on Bilibili but same results.

[summer flower]

Context is iana's sheet and what it does to have single sheet

[safe sand]

so basically you looked at iana's sheet and chose endmin over da pan?

I don't see how this means the sheet is wrong

[summer flower]

Was wrong

At time I was asking

[dense hatch]

Perhaps single sheet as in, single point of reference, or just one opinion

[summer flower]

And dunno what potential level was assumed in sheet

But it was definetly not P2

Look at pinned

[safe sand]

did the sheet say that endmin was categorically worse than da pan?

[summer flower]

One image and one spreadsheet

[summer flower]

It said, at full investment it has some advantages and it's not far off. So implied worse

We already had linguistic discussion here for long

Also behaviour here was to promote da pan investment if you have that over endmin

[safe sand]

from what i experienced that was only if you had max pot da pan or didn't have grand vision

[tight haven]

endmin rotations typically take longer but can line up better than da pan since you do use all your resources

the difference in performance is meaningful but difficult to quantify because it's kind of? on a fight-by-fight basis

[summer flower]

Situation have changed over weeks

[night jackal]

Been hearing that the navigator has received a buff??

[drifting quest]

tldr when you consider only what is absolute minmax best dapan used to have that slot and then endmin took it

which is where their issue is

[edgy crater]

u can 1 rotation there, if u want to artific n masteries more

[drifting quest]

that context had advice change

[safe sand]

i see

[drifting quest]

the rest of the entire nuance never changed

but they ignore that

tldr

https://tenor.com/view/nothing-ever-happens-chud-chudjak-soyjak-90-seconds-to-nothing-gif-9277709574191520604

[edgy crater]

which buff?

[night jackal]

I don't know exactly but I've been hearing people saying that with the recent buff to navigator they won't be pulling for artzy

[drifting quest]

so like

artzy is kinda

mid

for 18k it is

[night jackal]

Or did the just nerf artzy?

[drifting quest]

really not worth the gains over p5 navigator, any pot wedge or even arguably p0 navigator

[drifting quest]

no

nothing actually changed

at least not since release

[summer flicker]

what buff

[chilly bolt]

Iana said something about nav get buffed but i never understand

[summer flicker]

done yvonne before her sig drop

[edgy crater]

damn m12

[chilly bolt]

783 int is crazy

[edgy crater]

dats like lynx slab

[chilly bolt]

Slab is insane lol

[night jackal]

It was on either this discord or an arknights FB group. Some people were talking about not pulling on Artzy and they were taking about a buff. Don't know if it was true or not. But it doesn't seem like it is. Obviously if you have a p5 navigator then the difference between that and p0 Artzy is minimal

[summer flicker]

ye slab, prolly 800 int or sth when sig

since i have this mid essence

[edgy crater]

slab propaganda

[chilly bolt]

Literally just put on anyone with will or int main attribute and their stats skyrocket

[tight haven]

artzy is just a poor value proposition when you can just get p2 wedge on offrate or through direct buys

[lost void]

edit: my bad.

[tight haven]

lacking an atk% line really hurts it

[edgy crater]

whats the differences again? 10%?

[chilly bolt]

P2 wedge is like 90% already right?

[tight haven]

yeah abouts

i think it worked out to 8-12% worse?

p5 wedge was 5% better

[drifting quest]

Depends on no. Of artzy stacks

[tight haven]

than p0 artzy

[drifting quest]

Even low pot wedge can beat p0 artzy if low stack

[tight haven]

right yeah

[safe sand]

is there anything specifically about p2 hitting some breakpoint as to why it's being used as a comparison

[tight haven]

its when it starts beating p5 nav

iirc

[chilly bolt]

Because nav p5

Yeah

[night jackal]

She will still melt bosses with any of the three top options for her. I'd save your arsenal tokens though if the difference isnt big

[safe sand]

i see

ty

[tight haven]

artzy just sucks as a sig for most people not pulling for artzy pots

[lost void]

Da pan is easier to pilot and he can delivery heavy damages because:

• heavy weapon: G.sword vs sword more damage
• his physique characterized by
  STR & WILL 175 102
  vs
  Endmin STR AGI 123/ 140
• vuln to crush: he can provide vuln by himself and only consumes vuln via CS, always set to 4S so you can never go wrong vs Endmin crush baked in BS, unintentionally using 2-3 stacks of vuln

[tight haven]

if youre a yvonne superfan go for it but artzy doesnt fix any of yvonnes glaring issues

[safe sand]

i uh, don't see why the first two matter

[summer flower]

I read it's worse stats somewhere

[safe sand]

also if you're doing rotations correctly you're never 'unintentionally' using vuln stacks

[tight haven]

yea

[summer flower]

Because harder to fit some gear on it

[safe sand]

i see

[lost void]

stat weight wise: refer to primary+secondary stat to atk%

[summer flower]

I also just read OLD message saying that da pan better at high investments

[safe sand]

please understand that endmin is basically entirely carried by grand vision

[lilac bloom]

also endmin is free from the get go

i didnt have da pan until the rest of my physical core had already crystalized

[safe sand]

eh that doesn't really matter in the context of what we're discussing, investment/pots are no issue

[lilac bloom]

ya fair

[summer flower]

Endmin P2 guarateed vs Pan da p5 not likely

[lilac bloom]

i mean its not impossible it isnt a factor against da pan here is what chili was saying

[summer flower]

Wait so pots don't matter?

But weapon matters?

[lilac bloom]

pots matter but thats not the point being made

[drifting quest]

grand vision is more required for endmin than exemplar is for dapan

endmin has no good alternative

[safe sand]

no issue in the sense of "if you're discussing max power of comps then assume you have maxed characters"

[drifting quest]

dapan can run canal and not lose much

[honest hill]

artificing will rn

[lilac bloom]

theres that 5* greatsword you get a free copy of

the green one

[summer flower]

What's good alternative for not pulling da pan?

[drifting quest]

crying about it

[lilac bloom]

1 dollar

[drifting quest]

assuming you mean gv-less endmin

[honest hill]

@edgy crater what about gilb m3

[drifting quest]

you suck it up and deal with it

[summer flower]

That's kinda braindead

[dusk isle]

is gilberta looking better for your one cycle rhod kill or na

[summer flower]

Da pan and GV are both pulled

[edgy crater]

doubt, u can left her ulti at m1

[honest hill]

I have not tried yet

[summer flower]

You treat differently one that other

[safe sand]

gv is not pulled

gv is one dollar

[lilac bloom]

one dollar usd

[summer flower]

Yea, right this

[lilac bloom]

convert to local currency

[summer flower]

And you comparing gruateed Vs pulled

[chilly bolt]

Gil ult is just M1, M3 doesn't give more sus

[lilac bloom]

grand vision can be pulled cant it

[honest hill]

what does M2/3 even do just more dmg?

[summer flower]

1$ Vs however many pulls you need.

[safe sand]

what's your point here

[chilly bolt]

Yes, literally more dmg

[honest hill]

L

[lost void]

ss comparison between their weapons max pot.

stat weight vs stat weight Da Pan wins over 6 star endmin.

[lilac bloom]

combo skills all get 1+ second off their cd at m3

some get 2 seconds off

[honest hill]

@dusk isle I will try now but no ginseng since I don't farm meat

[safe sand]

arts intensity my beloved

[lilac bloom]

rock candy sword

[edgy crater]

just farm it

[drifting quest]

Endmin requires:
Basically exact gearing
Ideally artificing important stats
Grand Vision
GV Essence, ideally maxed
Exact rotation
Exact team
Enemy that does not fold over to the rotation and requires multiple ones
Enemy that does not phase change too fast
probably one or two more things i forgot

Meet the conditions and Endmin is decently ahead of Dapan

missing some can still have endmin ahead

but some are non negotiable

[honest hill]

farm meat where idk where it is

[lilac bloom]

whose sword looks tastier last rite's or endmin's

[edgy crater]

hub/plateu area or science park essence node

[chilly bolt]

Dogs hunt

[honest hill]

oh okay

[edgy crater]

extinct the dogs

[summer flower]

1. Not really?
2. Ehh dunno about that
3. Easy to get
4. You want essence maxed on carry anyway
5. Does it?
6. Does it?

[lost void]

As you can see Da Pan is already ahead from activating weapon skill effect by using BS.

Endmin needs to setup CS for 1st clause (Produce CS ) then next buff on BS/ult ONLY to use the weapon skill

[drifting quest]

ok well if you just want to nuh uh everything you disagree with then have at it

ive got better things to do

[dusk isle]

I do power plateau, tp to the one near the depot and walk west, there is 12 animals along the path

[lilac bloom]

if you just wanna use da pan use da pan :/

da pan is awesome

[honest hill]

alr i'll give it a go

[unreal light]

However, endmin may use his crushed before the 4stacks of vuln

There are instances, where you need to kill enemies with two stacks of vuln, for example marble tentacles

[honest hill]

lemme learn the gilb rot

[safe sand]

endmin needs to set up cs for maximum damage yes, leading to a hard 15s downtime requirement between crushes

I do not see why this matters

[lilac bloom]

gilb rot?

[edgy crater]

lr ange rot

[lilac bloom]

oh

vs ardelia in lr team?

[lost void]

Da Pan has it on a 1 button setup. kalas.
Endmin needs series of execution.

Endmin CS relies on FS to proc..

[chilly bolt]

Imagine you press ange ult a second early

All cryo stacks gone

[unreal light]

Do we believe there exists a battle that is 1 second long, and you have infinite number of ultimates?

[edgy crater]

alesh tragedy lol

[lilac bloom]

also da pan has a 19 second downtime as well :/

[chilly bolt]

@edgy crater oh right there's a new theory rotation for LR

[safe sand]

read this again

[edgy crater]

with who?

[safe sand]

😭

[summer flower]

FS proc isn't hard

[chilly bolt]

0 ult start with gil

[lost void]

Is this ulti?

After his ulti he does KD so either new vuln or +1 vuln

Endmin ulti doesn't do that since his vuln application is via BS only.

[safe sand]

ok pause can you two explain 'endmin cs requires fs to proc'

[edgy crater]

aint dat same as non p4 lr rot?

[chilly bolt]

You apply corrosion before LR eats the stacks for 1st rotation, then on 2nd rotation you ult to maximise corrosion effect

[summer flower]

I only understand FS, finals strike in basic

But that's CS?

[lost void]

You mean finishing attack FA the o 900% for everyone at M3 when target becomes staggered?

[elfin smelt]

p5 da pan sounds nice until I read further which it says 45 sec cd dont think I can remember that between rotations

[summer flower]

FA?

[lusty relic]

Wouldn't this mean LR doesn't get any ult gain though

[summer flower]

Man, can you write more clearly?

[chilly bolt]

Honestly i dont fully understand it but iirc you need p4 lr

[safe sand]

I'm not completely certain I'm not talking to two ai chatbots atp

[unreal light]

Share the spreadsheet, that proves your statement, please

[lost void]

BA has attack sequence, finisher attack and dive attack FS= finishing strike last hit of BA sequence

[summer flower]

Pinned

[dusk isle]

doesnt she need to consume the cryo stacks to get the ult charge tho ?

or does cs give flat ult energy

[chilly bolt]

Flat 40 then 15 ult gain per stacks

[summer flower]

Doesn't explain what FA means

[safe sand]

I'm assuming finisher attack

[unreal light]

There’s literally no evidence on the said statement

[summer flower]

Like I didn't see perlica be attacked for needing FS

[lost void]

everybody has it. It's the 900% attack upon staggered enemy at M3

[summer flower]

@unreal light shuo's statement?

[unreal light]

Yes

[summer flower]

That's because it's trying to defend old idea

[dusk isle]

i dont have p4 but i wanna test how close i get to charging the ult

[chilly bolt]

@dusk isle @edgy crater

[unreal light]

Yeah, the world of dogmas must grow

[summer flower]

You mean stagger break?

FS is final strike

[lost void]

So in Endmin- Chen scenario vs Da Pan Chen DaChan will have faster cycle of reaching max vuln stacks.

[summer flower]

It's how game calls last basic attack in combo

[lilac bloom]

no its the special attack you get when an enemy is staggered that youre invincible inside of

i think thats what vertigo is referring to

the camera-shifting one

[chilly bolt]

@dusk isle you need this much ult gain from somewhere

[safe sand]

This doesn't matter because crush is hard gated to combo skill cd

[summer flower]

Final strike is last strike In combo, wasn't stagger hit stagger break or something?

[dusk isle]

so 4x cryo -> gilb bs -> lr combo -> 3x cryo -> lr cs -> gilb ult -> lr ult
is the rotation ?

[midnight stirrup]

https://tenor.com/view/funny-cat-funny-cat-gif-4453888795249279868

[dusk isle]

assuming we wouldnt want to waste the gilb ult on applying the corrosion

[summer flower]

I would say, maybe da pan Chen perlica avyenna is good combo?

[lost void]

Da can easily proc his CS with DaChen duo

[summer flower]

Cause you get two carries in team

[safe sand]

you know that combo skill CDs exist?

[chilly bolt]

Yes but before LR eats the stacks on first combo, you hit it with gil bs to apply corrosion (need some timing)

[dusk isle]

or do you stack infinite ult gain on gilb and get the ult back ?

[chilly bolt]

Idk if you can get that much ult gain for gil

Maybe

[dusk isle]

maybe with p4 and waiting out the gilb cs until after the first ult

since gilb sig also has ult gain

[chilly bolt]

Remember corrosion is only 15s lol

[lusty relic]

what's the full team

[summer flower]

3cryo + bs in 15sec?

[dusk isle]

i wanna try the non p4 cope version to see how close i get to charging their ults

[safe sand]

it is quite literally called a "finisher attack" or as vertigo shortened it FA

[summer flower]

Ehh.. flurorite required?

[summer flower]

Ohh okay misremembered name

[edgy crater]

no

[lost void]

Yes, I know. What 'm saying is DaChen can easily make Da's CS ready after CD

[summer flower]

So how you gonna get 3 cryo + BS?

[dusk isle]

double lr bs and xaihi bs

[chilly bolt]

LR xaihi gil, then last spot probably perlica

[dusk isle]

you could also co xaihi for faster fs

[summer flower]

That's 4 skills

[lost void]

which one?

[safe sand]

ok going back to the beginning, i don't see why this makes da pan better than endmin

[dusk isle]

2 LR bs + 1 Xaihi bs = 3 skills plus lr bs is cheaper

[safe sand]

endmin's crushes are 3/4 instead of 4/4 yes but endmin has way more self-buffs

[lusty relic]

You can swap to Perlica or Xaihi during Last Rite CS and get stack in

[safe sand]

da pan also currently has an issue where there are no str/will/arts intensity pieces

[summer flower]

But In that time frame Gilb bs

[lusty relic]

But I'm pretty sure it runs into energy issues

[summer flower]

So it's 4

[lost void]

buff he personally provide which team also benefit from. See talent 1 & 2.

He's going in the direction he will be a guard support.

[summer flower]

Within 15sec

[dusk isle]

just co xaihi during lr cs for fs sp

[summer flower]

Man, am I getting stroke?

Or they even shorten it more now?

[edgy crater]

it can on 3rd rot onward but any boss should die before dat

[lusty relic]

Perlica is much faster than Xaihi

3s to FS vs Xaihi which is 4s

[chilly bolt]

No xaihi is not that long

[lusty relic]

https://streamable.com/aagjgo

i tested it myself

[summer flower]

Isn't it before LR stuff happens?

[chilly bolt]

Didn't you just waste a second there

[safe sand]

the team buffs are just a bonus, if anything this strengthens the argument that endmin isn't worse dapan

[outer ermine]

bro started the timer when he was running

[chilly bolt]

[lusty relic]

oh wait you're right

[summer flower]

Xaihi is 3.4

[lusty relic]

I must have moved the timer

[summer flower]

So wasted half second

[lusty relic]

when I was editing the video

[lost void]

but if you have Da with Endmin then Da will benefit from the buffs too

Scenario 1
Endmin - Da Pan - Chen
Scenario 2
Endmin - Da Pan - Chen - Pog
Scenario 3
Endmin-Da Pan-Chen-Lifeng

[umbral geyser]

Umbral monument Pt 2 is another dogshit case of HP inflation, why im i not surprised

[dusk isle]

🥀

[chilly bolt]

Still not enough even with 3 corrosion +4 cryo

[summer flower]

Perlica is 3.5 apparently

[dusk isle]

im just gonna try the "cope" version

[safe sand]

we are NOT talking about da pan + endmin comps

[chilly bolt]

What's exactly is the cope version

[lusty relic]

Is there actual frame data?

can you link it

[summer flower]

End axis

[lusty relic]

trying to do this through my editing software is cursed

[summer flower]

Good luck cause it's in Chinese

[lilac bloom]

what if you just made a team entirely composed of crushers

blue phys

[dusk isle]

barely short of reaching ult and deciding this rotation is not for me (since i dont have p4 lr )

[chilly bolt]

Nah that's if you count post attack animation too

[lusty relic]

I only count the time it takes to get the SP

[chilly bolt]

For FS it's just 3s

[lusty relic]

so I measured the frames that way

[summer flower]

It shows when attack is made

Red dot showing that

So you get get time for that as well

[chilly bolt]

Yeah as i said you need at least over 17% ult gain

[summer flower]

But I'm not gonna be checking where dots sit for those

[lost void]

consider it a scenario otherwise

but if you have Da with Endmin then Da will benefit from the buffs too

Scenario 1
Endmin - Da Pan - Chen | EndChen vs DaChen
Scenario 2
Endmin - Da Pan - Chen - Pog | EndChenPog vs DaChenPog
Scenario 3
Endmin-Da Pan-Chen-Lifeng | EndChenFeng vs DaChenFeng

You can see from 3 scenario Da Pan benefits the most.

Scenario v2
Remove either Endmin or Da from the equation. Either as you do not have one of the two or you decidedly include only one of the two.

[dusk isle]

wait i think i have an artificed tide surge chestpiece in my pocket

does it give that much tho

[chilly bolt]

That doesn't give enough

Slightly short 1-2%

[dusk isle]

it was a good attempt 🥀

[summer flower]

Off set ult piece?

Is there ult gain % food?

[chilly bolt]

Well if you do 3 corrosion + 4 cryo then it's enough, but no way you squeeze 4th stack in time unless you run flourite which is funny

[dusk isle]

lemme just start with 30 ult energy to see its dmg

yvonne banner will give me lr dupe with dossier trust

[chilly bolt]

Theoritically corrosion is a huge amp

[edgy crater]

same lol, pray to get lr dupe on yvonne

[chilly bolt]

Oh right you can also dash cancel lr combo

[summer flower]

On no resistance math?

Or 0.8 resistance math?

[lusty relic]

The current content is easier with Ardelia with LR sadly. You don't even hit the first ult in the current UM

[dusk isle]

i totally forgot about that,
thats the tech where you get to fs do cs and then dash for instant fs right

[chilly bolt]

Yeah you still get 40 ult and can start attacking again

[lilac bloom]

how does ult gain work in this game

genuinely have not thought about it

[dusk isle]

did you count the gilb bs in this calculation

[chilly bolt]

Wym

[dusk isle]

does it not give ult energy

[chilly bolt]

205 is 4 corrosion + 3 cryo

[summer flower]

Most enemies don't have resistances, and those I have found have only partial cover

[chilly bolt]

Oh the guy is here

Schling

[frozen tide]

Don't think corrosion lasts long enough for 4 stack cs into ult cause you need to corrosion before first cryo infliction

[chilly bolt]

I mean if with flourite maybe

[lost void]

Either D and some are C. Arsonist is the only one with B rating heat resistance

[frozen tide]

You can delay it at most to right before fs

[summer flower]

The what

[lusty relic]

Welll I'm assuming you precast the BS so it explodes while you get the CS

[safe sand]

ok let's just pretend we can reduce everything a character is to a number indicating character strength

Say endmin is 17, but can buff the team by 6
Say da pan is 20, and does not provide team buffs

If you run them together, da pan gets endmin's buff and gets a combined 26 compared to endmin's 23
What you are saying is that you should remove endmin because da pan has the highest character strength here

[chilly bolt]

Gil bs? No, you can dash cancel lr combo

[frozen tide]

Fluo for faster cryo could work but I can't imagine its better than like just perli for electrification+stanza and just go for 3(corrosion) 3 ult with ult pieces on lr

[safe sand]

despite his being 'better' in that scenario being wholly tied to him also benefitting from endmin's team utility

[potent hornet]

he doesn't actually read the things in game

[lost void]

I'm not so sure if other game mode such as Umbral still use those resistance rating.

[frozen tide]

Maybe the faster rotation speed can make up for it

[summer flower]

Okay

[drifting berry]

I know there are exceptions on some character kits but just to make sure I got the numbers right, in general.

Ult energy from a different operator using a skill 6.5
Ult energy from character using battle skill 10
Ult energy from Character using Combo skill 10

[summer flower]

Didn't knew game used letter resistance ranks

[dusk isle]

fucking rhod phase transition

[chilly bolt]

Yeah i think that's the default for everyone

[lost void]

Da? That's the thing he is already a striker but he can also do what guards do - provide vuln/phys debuff

[frozen tide]

Corrosion is still a multiplier against enemies with no res

[potent hornet]

and yet you tried to claim most stuff didn't have resistances

[outer ermine]