theorycrafting

[frozen tide]

And where does res% come from

[gritty olive]

If the enemy has elemental resistance. Seems all is set to 0 for now

[summer flower]

Yea not seen one yet

[gritty olive]

If they had some elemental resistance their enemy log shouldve had a marker

[frozen tide]

This has been tested by others

On other mobs than just heavy ram

And stayed true

Am i misunderstanding the formula

[gritty olive]

Have they tested this with surtrs res ignore?

[frozen tide]

Or is there a contradiction here

[gritty olive]

Because shes currently the only source of res ignore from base iirc

[summer flower]

Yea rare enemy with resistances

Meanwhile what? All bosses have none?

[gritty olive]

Theres no contradiction if no other elemental resistance shreds are present

[frozen tide]

This is from corrosion tab

[summer flower]

Okay dorrito have

[gritty olive]

Its “effectively” the multiplier itself if theres no other additive sources present

[honest hill]

Frontier did make a huge diff

[gritty olive]

You could prolly check it easily if you got laev to 4 magma and cororsion

[frozen tide]

So by default as it stands with enemies and bosses rn

[gritty olive]

Idk how to apply more corrosion tho

Do you want me to try?

[frozen tide]

Corrosion can be seen as 0.8+corrosion percent

[gritty olive]

if enemies have 20 base elementsl res

[frozen tide]

Just get a nature inflict char with no arts intensity

[gritty olive]

Ardelia comb works?

[summer flower]

Yea

[gritty olive]

Alr lemme record

[frozen tide]

@distant python @summer flower @chilly bolt i dont understand the actual workings but the conclusion stays consistent with everything thus far

[frozen tide]

No

Well it can but its confusing

[summer flower]

Yea no, trying to push better looking math

[gritty olive]

Fine fluorite it is

[summer flower]

When resistance is raree

And not for all elements in those units

[honest hill]

@edgy crater @dusk isle dmg diff slightly more atk then I can do it

[frozen tide]

Because ard corrosion only lasts 7 secs

[gritty olive]

Ok ill try to hit an enemy

[frozen tide]

You need 10 secs for corrosion to fully mature

[honest hill]

it basically halved it

[frozen tide]

Make sure fluo has no arts intensity from everywhere

[gritty olive]

No im gonna hit an enemy ans you multiply shit

Because for me resistance is set at 1.0 currently, with 0 base res with a 100% res multiplier atm

[distant python]

I'm converting into Sus anyway no?

[frozen tide]

Whar just do like a btk seq 1 with and without fully matured corrosion

With everything else the same

[gritty olive]

29% * (1 + 50.5%) * 5733 * 0.5

[frozen tide]

That's not what the conversation is about

[rare zodiac]

We are debating about res shred bruh

[gritty olive]

Im assuming base res here is 0, so 100 -0 + 0 = 100% = 1

[summer flower]

Dude

[honest hill]

no crit here I think but here I did? @frozen tide what the diff

[summer flower]

Doing math on Res shred assuming resistance is present

When it's rare right now

[honest hill]

ts makes no sense

[summer flower]

It's no sense

[frozen tide]

You are missing smth

[summer flower]

It's rare

[rare zodiac]

It’s is for now, not in the future

[frozen tide]

You are missing a very large piece of this discussion

[summer flower]

Then talks should be like that in future

Not now

[frozen tide]

You don't need enemies to have res for res shred to apply

As weird as that sounds

[summer flower]

... You should not calc DMG based on resistance being there

[gritty olive]

Lookie here

[rare zodiac]

Also this is 𝒯𝒽𝑒𝑜𝓇𝓎𝒸𝓇𝒶𝒻𝓉𝒾𝓃𝑔

[summer flower]

If there is none right now

[chilly bolt]

negative res?

[gritty olive]

I assumed 0 base res so

[frozen tide]

I repeat res shred applies even when enemies have no res

[summer flower]

Correct

They doing math like it's 0.8

Ffs

[honest hill]

do y'all know if it's a big number is it a crit or does it have to say crit

[summer flower]

Even those with Res, don't have full coverage

[gritty olive]

The conversation here is trying to double check if corrosion and laev own res ignore stacks additively or multiplicatively

[honest hill]

I'm confused af

[gritty olive]

Because it shouldnt work that way at all

[dusk isle]

Are you talkin about lr combo skkll

[honest hill]

ye it did similar to ult 3 but ult 3 crit

[gritty olive]

who even did those lol

[dusk isle]

Me and kji believe it is bugged

[honest hill]

so that's supposedly a crit

[dusk isle]

Lr cs is not actually 1 hit

[honest hill]

oh

[frozen tide]

Ngl for my sake can you just do like ake fluo only do seq 1 btk with ake without corrosion for control and then apply corrosion with ake bs fluo bs wait past 10 secs do seq 1 btk

[dusk isle]

The 160% base and the 4x240% cryo bonus is seperate

[drifting quest]

I just broke my headphones

Actually shambles

[frozen tide]

The 0.8 is not from res itself

[dusk isle]

So they can crit indepently

[gritty olive]

1502

1251 * 1.2 = 1501. 1%< margin of erorr

[summer flower]

If enemy has 0.8 resistance it goes from 0.8 to X

[honest hill]

@dusk isle

[summer flower]

Meanwhile no enemy I have seen in wiki has full coverage

And those who even have 0.8 Res and rarer than most of enemies

Including when comparing bosses

[gritty olive]

and i hit 1578 on an enemy earlier, which should mean i have like 6% res shred somewhere

[dusk isle]

The 4 possible outcomes are
Both non crit
Base crits and bonus non crit (shows crit for low dmg)
Base non crit and bonus crit(shows non crit for big dmg)
True crit
@i.stealthy

[honest hill]

lol

failed ping

[gritty olive]

give me full sequence

do you need me to get magma stacks to four?

[lofty frigate]

is it normal for my calcs to be like 15k off the actual damage? pretty sure i'm doing something wrong

[honest hill]

stats on LR rn I think I can push it higher

[drifting quest]

Assuming you calced right no, naturally

[chilly bolt]

what is true crit

[drifting quest]

Check the % gap and see if it matches to some buff you forgot

[dusk isle]

Yea im hitting close to this with p3 lr and bonekrusha poncho, there is no way you would be able to hit that without crits

[frozen tide]

Ake bs fluo bs wait for corrosion once corrosion procs wait 10-12 secs and ake btk

For control just ake btk

[drifting quest]

Ake basic for physical damage

[gritty olive]

but laev has resignore

[drifting quest]

While testing arts res

[dusk isle]

Lr cs is bugged and can crit in 4 different ways(the base 160% and the cryo bonus 240% are seperate)
I call both of them critting a "true" crit

[frozen tide]

Im asking you for this for a different purpose if you would be so kind

[summer flower]

Don't you need () there?

[gritty olive]

alright

[gritty olive]

this is correct

[summer flower]

Also did you do it on enemy with resistance?

[honest hill]

I believe this was better than yesterday attempts w frontier for some reason must be this time I crit way more on combo skill

[gritty olive]

im deducting the "bonus" res shred from laev basic

[honest hill]

since u said it's 4 diff ones

yesterday was 433k today was 589k

tho the atk was similar

5395 vs 5377

frontier vs type 50

[dusk isle]

Yea you can get a "crit" with 400k dmg while a "non crit" woth 500k dmg bcs of this bug

In an ideal world the bonus dmg would be lumped together with the base and a crit will always do 1.5x dmg

[summer flower]

How? @dusk isle

[honest hill]

ye that's so dumb 😭

[summer flower]

Doesn't make sense

[drifting quest]

UI issue

[summer flower]

Or are attacks different strengths?

[rare zodiac]

Seem like additive no? Lae BA hit at half duration of sheep corro, about 3.5s, 3.6 base+3.5x0.8 ramp up is around 6.4

[drifting quest]

Not every hit visualises crits

[dusk isle]

Lr cs is bugged and the 160% base and 4x240% are separated

[drifting quest]

Some can crit but it wont say it

[lofty frigate]

figured about a 3.4% diff (431k target), i think i might be forgetting a dmg dealt buff or something but i can't figure out where. this is for endmin pog lifeng chen

[summer flower]

Okay, yea so it's not 3 different values of DMG but 4

[honest hill]

so if it wasn't bugged those 4 hits will crit or not crit simulataneously

[dusk isle]

Yea you can crit 4 ways
Both non crit
Base crit bonus noncrit (shows crit for low dmg)
Base noncrit bonus crit(shows non crit for high dmg)
Both crit

[gritty olive]

Here tou go

[summer flower]

Wait it's 4 attacks?

If it's 4, it's not 4 different ways

[drifting quest]

I'll be real I won't be able to parse anything from screenshots alone.
I'm not home right now so I cant just look at the sheet right now either

[dusk isle]

No it is 2, 160% base and the 240% bonus per cryo

[gritty olive]

85 -> 96

[summer flower]

So 3 attacks?

[dusk isle]

Wtf you mean 3

1 + 1 = 2

Base + bonus

[summer flower]

....

[ashen scroll]

Just me or shuo is never at home

[gritty olive]

12% incrsse

[ashen scroll]

[lofty frigate]

ah ok ty

[chilly bolt]

so laevatin res ignore is multiplicative with corrosion?

[gritty olive]

additive

res mult = 1 + enemy res - ally res ignore - enemy res shred

thats how it should be

[chilly bolt]

oh right i always think of ak surtr res ignore

[open hare]

https://tenor.com/view/anime-tyan-girl-red-eyes-grey-hair-gif-3882098545328411068

[frozen tide]

This does not align with 0.8+0.12 nor 1.0+0.12 without heavy rounding can you do this but with smth that hits in the 3 digits

[drifting quest]

Im home more often than I'm not

[frozen tide]

[drifting quest]

[gritty olive]

yeah with laev

[frozen tide]

Im guessing its cause the display values are alr rounded

[frozen tide]

Just make sure laevs res thingy is not applied plz

[gritty olive]

theyre "truncated: not rounded

[frozen tide]

Even worse

[gritty olive]

truncate: 12345.6789 becoems 12345
round: 12345.6789 becomes 12346

anyways wait

[summer flower]

Guys

Values are truncated between each operation I think

If I remember correctly wiki said that

[gritty olive]

1251 -> 1402

12%

[chilly bolt]

[summer flower]

?

[open hare]

Can anyone see me

[frozen tide]

Is consistent with 12

So default would be 1+corrosion total as mult

[gritty olive]

1+corrosion + the other existing parts of res mult formula

i just need to time in 4magma correctly

[frozen tide]

👍

[drifting quest]

Res is an additive mult yes
Reductions are positive
Additions are negative

[rare zodiac]

Yes miku tan

[gritty olive]

@frozen tide now help me play LR

you took so much time away from me

[open hare]

Of course it’s Raizer that sees me first

[gritty olive]

[frozen tide]

What would you like help with

[gritty olive]

im still grinding for lung essence

[gritty olive]

full rotation from 0 energy

[frozen tide]

Rip

Lung should be fine 6/0/3

Lemme double check

[gritty olive]

im a perfectionist

so no can do

[summer flower]

So can we stop trying to imply corrosion is worth on base of 20% resistance?

[frozen tide]

Lel

[peak void]

but it is tho

[gritty olive]

its not

[summer flower]

It's not

Not many enemies have resistance

[gritty olive]

thats just HSR slapping 20 base resistance on enemies that arent weak to said element

[peak void]

ngl i just got here and wanted to disagree

[summer flower]

Dude, game isn't even same company made

[summer flower]

Get this thing out of here

Ffs

[gritty olive]

weak to lightning. wind. img = 0 base res
so all nonweak = 20

im just saying where people might get the idea from

[summer flower]

Yea no, don't share that

[chilly bolt]

tf is imaginary dmg

[summer flower]

You gonna make it more prevalent

[gritty olive]

its still good to acknowledge how people tried to say that base res mult is 0.8

[drifting quest]

Damage but yellow flavour

[gritty olive]

not acknowledging it is tantamount to feigning ignorance

[peak void]

me when i imagine too hard putting stick into bike wheel jif

[drifting quest]

https://tenor.com/view/jgmm-cat-meme-ragebait-cat-think-cat-ponder-gif-7034802297606826390

[ashen scroll]

Warhammer orks, their damage not based on reality

[summer flower]

Wiki should probably have clarification that based on this date most enemies have no DMG resistances

[gritty olive]

FINALLY GOT IT YEY

[harsh slate]

Hmm.... That's reminded me of that mod where the characters are WarHammer 40k

[leaden mantle]

How much damage does the link buff give you?

[gritty olive]

im gonna schizo later the wisadel kit

https://tenor.com/view/ardashir-arknights-endfield-endfield-endmin-true-gif-5971840260173666873

[dusk isle]

Who is this even for

[summer flower]

Yea what weapon has those

[sterile patrol]

30/45/60/75% bskill
20/30/40/50% ult based on link stacks

[summer flower]

Wait cannibal?

[gritty olive]

seeker of dark lung

the shit weapon

[summer flower]

The what?

[gritty olive]

the cope LR weapon

[dusk isle]

Lung lr

[ashen scroll]

His face remind me alot of mephisto

[gritty olive]

ive been farming it for like 6 days now

[summer flower]

@gritty olive surely you have enough to etch it max ?

[gritty olive]

Cutieee

[harsh slate]

Better Mephisto/jk

[frozen tide]

Xai bs lr bs lr fs ard cs lr bs lr fs ard bs xai cs lr cs xai bs lr bs lr fs lr bs perlica ult xai ult lr fs xai cs perlica cs ard cs rite cs rite ult i think? Not certain on how well aligned ard cs and bs are but should be close to optimal if anything

[gritty olive]

[chilly bolt]

Wtf lr dark lung

[summer flower]

Wait art burst bonus?

[gritty olive]

yeah

[frozen tide]

Ard cs bs esp with eternal is hard to align perfectly

[gritty olive]

quite hard

[summer flower]

I wanna this but agility and handcannon

[gritty olive]

but manageable trust

[leaden mantle]

There’s no duration is there? Also, how do you even get those higher stacks? By just spamming ult and keeping skills in reserve?

[sterile patrol]

link has a duration, its just how theyll scale when we get more sources

[frozen tide]

Lmk if you find the best way to align ard bs and cs

[sterile patrol]

rn all you care about is the 30 and 20

[frozen tide]

Quite an enigma to me as well

With the 7 sec corrosion and 15 sec eternal

[leaden mantle]

How long does it last before it goes down?

20 seconds?

[sterile patrol]

should just be written in the source that provides it

[frail raven]

🙏

[frozen tide]

Link my beloved

Even if it hoes lrs cs

[frozen tide]

Damn that atk looking pretty thick

[gritty olive]

@frozen tide btw

who do i focus also in the team

[frail raven]

My highest crit with ult was 240k without the ginseng soup buff :x

love the owl

[frozen tide]

Wym by focus

Like for investment?

You get lr done with str and third line artificng weapon essencing and 9/9/12/12 and get xai ult and ard bs 9 first

[rare zodiac]

Then i guess Xaihi after

[frozen tide]

Xaihis a weird one

Ult m3 is def high prio

But int itself whilst high ceiling of effect

To get the ceiling takes shitload of investment

[leaden mantle]

What’s your team with her?

[frozen tide]

So max out everything about lr except will then get xai ult 9 ard bs 9 then xai ult m3 and artifice her int/get her 90 mayb

Oh and make sure xais ult gain is artificed to bp

That's rly important actually

[frail raven]

Arclight is prob less effective than Akekuri but I like the girl, or Avy and commit on Avy rather than Perl (and gear her support instead of dps) 💔

[gritty olive]

can i give her my surtr gear

[frozen tide]

Xai can use tidal chest

[gritty olive]

i alr have xiranite and double int seal

[frozen tide]

Xira gloves are also good for xai

[frozen tide]

Int seals can work for now if artificed but best is frontiers kit

Since it has secondary att percent

[lusty kernel]

Is this her main weapon?

[leaden mantle]

What makes arc light less effective than akekuri? Is akekuri (because of link?) actually better than arc light?

[drifting quest]

One option

[dusk isle]

2nd bis after det unit

[drifting quest]

Can be better or worse than det

Depends on other factors

[frail raven]

Just easier flow with the sp recovery to be able to spam skills faster, arclight sp recovery is actually miserable 😔

[leaden mantle]

What gear are you running on your Perlica?

[lusty kernel]

But like theres specific weapon for each characters and is this hers?

Like clannibal for wulf
Never rest for pog

[frail raven]

I tried cooking something else, but I think the standard gear you also run as support is the best fit given most of her dmg comes from maxing out arts intensity

oblivion instead of detonation unit

[frozen tide]

Int diff is much bigger than i had anticipated

Both are p0 deto unit

Top is with 2 redeemer seals bottom is with 2 frontiers kit

You will miss out on about 4 percent of amp

[gritty olive]

ok

[leaden mantle]

You get those dupes when you were pulling for Gilberta weapon?

[frozen tide]

Emote ahh emote

[chilly bolt]

And seal is a pain in the ass to artifice too

[frail raven]

yah.... I got 2 in 20, pretty lucky :D

[frail raven]

then got another 2 same 10x just before sig

[leaden mantle]

Congrats. Do weapon dupes give a huge increase towards your damage output?

[frail raven]

They only buff last line, which is considerable amount for most weapons. Really depends on the third line effect. For Oblivion it buffs arts dmg by quite a lot so bigger numbah 😌

We don't really have any content that justifies the increase tho (as of now), it's only just chasing stats to chase stats imo

[leaden mantle]

Does it increase the weapons base attack or no?

[honest hill]

btw do u know how this game calcs the atk of a char and if ginseng is applied is it on the base atk or something

[frozen tide]

Its pretty simple once you have the formula

Its neither

[chilly bolt]

No, weapon dupes only increase the 3rd line passive

[frozen tide]

Operator Base Attack + Weapon Base Attack) * (1 + Percentage Bonus) + [Fixed Value Bonus] * (1 + Attribute Bonus)

[frail raven]

no, they're really optional tbh, p0 weapons will perform just fine 👍

[karmic tusk]

theoretically, would wulfguard work for a shatter team alongside estella, da pan, and pog

[frozen tide]

Its fixed value bonus

[gritty olive]

fixed value = flat attack

[honest hill]

where does the percentage bonus come from

[gritty olive]

if youre used to that convention

[gritty olive]

the normal "atk%" buffs

[chilly bolt]

Weapon atk boost

[honest hill]

ohh

[frozen tide]

So ginseng attack will be multiplied by attribute bonus

[drifting quest]

If you never interacted with half his kit and didnt need the slot to provide any value sure

[frozen tide]

But will not add to base attack

[honest hill]

I see

[karmic tusk]

i mean using him to build heat stacks then estella converts that to solidified

bc as far as im aware hes the fastest infliction stacker

[drifting quest]

It would massively delay your rotation for minimal benefit

[frail raven]

btw you can see bonus you get during combat reflected in the operator menu if you open it during combat

(or after if buffs still active)

[honest hill]

can u explain it w this

[frail raven]

the percentage bonus would be this line f.e. on the weapon

[chilly bolt]

This is mine, she's p2 so +20 strength

But similar number on the percentage

[leaden mantle]

did increasing the arts intensity increase the attack value for your perlica?

[gritty olive]

itensity doesnt affect attack

it only affects elemntal reaction based damage

[leaden mantle]

was this under buffs or no?

[frail raven]

Nah I just cheated by displaying her stats after the buffs from team, intensity and arts dmg doesn't reflect on atk

;3

[gritty olive]

whats attribute percent

[frozen tide]

Attribute bonus

Sorry inconsiderate wording

[gritty olive]

its additive to other atk%

[gritty olive]

so like this is additive to stanza or OBJ

[honest hill]

[frozen tide]

Seems to add up as separate mults

[gritty olive]

@drifting quest told me that the atk from weapon is additive to other atk buffs

[frozen tide]

🤔

[gritty olive]

go test in wuling

easiest way to check

[frozen tide]

I can't get out of bed

[gritty olive]

hit an enemy in valley iv
hit an enemy in wuling

[frozen tide]

Or moreso shouldn't

Deadass fucking dying

Got covid 40 or smth

[gritty olive]

busy playing endfield but you need to take my word for it

[frozen tide]

Yeah no this does not align

[summer flower]

It's multiplicative to attribute

[frozen tide]

In the slightest

@gritty olive

[summer flower]

Man, ffs

[gritty olive]

shuo you

[frozen tide]

As far as i can tell adding those together deviates the value so so hard from expected

It doesn't seem feasible

[gritty olive]

https://tenor.com/view/jesse-jesse-pinkman-he-cant-keep-getting-away-with-this-breaking-bad-walter-gif-11328503629570473915

[frozen tide]

Whilst when you multiply

It adds up

[summer flower]

Ughh

[frozen tide]

Is shuos pronoun they

I been referring as he

[gritty olive]

im using the neutral they

over he/she, or neutral he

[summer flower]

They is neutral

[gritty olive]

since idk what gende they are

but im comfortable with masculine pronouns

[frozen tide]

Anyhow its flat attack times 1+attribute mult

For food attack

[frozen tide]

Muscle/cognac or smth

[drifting quest]

Weapon attack% is external yeah

Stuff like sundering

Sundering + thermite stack eg

[honest hill]

alr ty

[lost void]

Perlica would be better caster.

He works better for heatlectro comp.

[dry kindle]

why this still going with the attack

😭

[drifting quest]

Idk i was in a meeting

[karmic tusk]

im using it for shatter

[drifting quest]

I get back and apparently formula is wrong (it isnt) and I said att% is additive with external atk% (i do not recall this)

[lost void]

I'm suggesting you use Perlica because shecan force electrification has more damage on staggered and better interaction with phys team

Coz by default Avy+Arc+Perl is phyelectro

[karmic tusk]

i dont need electrification, im only using wulfguard bc he can build stacks quick to do solidification

[frozen tide]

(it is) a formula made wrong with a typo is still wrong smh

[drifting quest]

You made it out like the contents were wrong

Not an easily fixed missing bracket

[dry kindle]

all attack%s are the fuckin same 😭

[summer flower]

Guys just stop

[frozen tide]

In the context we are speaking parentheses did matter cause of the formatting

[summer flower]

What the heck

[lost void]

If you really want shatter team then Alesh+Estella is the usual duo for that.

Again Pog will give more to the team since cryophys is by default more on physical damage

[gritty olive]

you guys are frying me

[drifting quest]

Nothing has changed

https://tenor.com/view/nothing-ever-happens-chud-chudjak-soyjak-90-seconds-to-nothing-gif-9277709574191520604

[dry kindle]

#theorycrafting message

explodes

r3 thermite

[next helm]

Daily not knowing what to level moment

[karmic tusk]

the reason im using wulfguard estella over estella alesh is that wulfguard is a much much faster infliction stacker than estella, letting me get a higher level solidification rather than the level 1 used with alesh and estella

[elfin reef]

good or bad? dmg

[summer flower]

Considered flurorite? Or is wulf faster than flurorite?

[dry kindle]

bad

[karmic tusk]

fluorite has a 40 sec cd on combo skill so wulf is faster

[summer flower]

Flurorite has application on ultimate as well

[frozen tide]

Its not bad def not good in like turbo optimizing standards but if ur happy with the dmg its good enough

[summer flower]

Also it ain't 40sec unless you doing something badly

[lost void]

What do you mean faster? initiating the burst setup with Estella BS is super spammable with the 2 vanguards so I don't see the issue. In fact putting Wulfgard will interfere because it may produce combustion instead when you do not do the sequence for arts rxn properly.

If you really want to make the comp work then give it a try.

[karmic tusk]

estella needs 400 sp to do 4 stacks, wulfguard needs much less bc his combo skill also stacks inflictions

[dry kindle]

what in the fuck is even being cooked here

[lost void]

Alesh, Pog and Estella can SP regen, Wulf cannot

[drifting quest]

You are forced to only do wulf or only do alesh/estella

[icy ginkgo]

umbral monument

[summer flower]

Search somewhere 1 sec reduction every 1 sec

[drifting quest]

And for all that you save 100sp

But lose a ton

[dry kindle]

p5

1 sec red when infliction 1s cd

[drifting quest]

No vuln stacks no crush damage

[summer flower]

You want 4 solidification of you in want 4 vunl? @karmic tusk

[dry kindle]

why are wulf and vuln even in the same discussion 😭

[karmic tusk]

my idea was trying to go for both lol

[lost void]

The interaction between 3 vanguard is solid with their execution on interweaving BS-combo and since Alesh&Estella do phys damage more they will do more because of breach,lift/vuln

Wulfguard will be out of place for that comp.

[karmic tusk]

wulf stacks heat inflictions, estella turns that into solidification, then shatter into vulnerability from estella bs and ult and da pan bs or ult into da pan crush

[tawdry sorrel]

Is Lifeng's 4th slot for a xiranite build better with another ult gain stat or is it overkill and just go swordmancer for the extra damage? Currently he's at 198.6 with the ult gain 4th slot

[lost void]

I would rather put Lifeng over Wulfguard for the comp for double stack of phys sus honestly

Alesh, Estella, Pog, Lifeng/Endmin/Da

[drifting quest]

The humble chen

[dry kindle]

least ill shatter comp

[summer flower]

Antal + flurorite? + Estella?

[lost void]

Fluorite works if Estella, Alesh, Xaihi

Antal is usually for heatlectro

[summer flower]

4 3 4 solidification rotation?

[drifting quest]

We love no payoff teams

[summer flower]

Why alesh?

[drifting quest]

Cinema

[summer flower]

Why xaihi?

[neon cave]

having 4 slots ult efficiency (106.6% ult efficiency, gear only-fully artificed) does have a breakpoint
unless my math is wrong

[summer flower]

Antal is SP efficient

[drifting quest]

????

???????

[summer flower]

One skill per what? 3 inflictions?

Maybe 4 ?

[drifting quest]

What is antal buffing

[summer flower]

Focus

Repeating infliction

[frigid vector]

is this for cryo(?)

[drifting quest]

Shatter

[frigid vector]

focus is elec/heat only

[drifting quest]

Lmao

[summer flower]

For any element

[drifting quest]

The entire chain is golden

[summer flower]

Nope it's not

[drifting quest]

Im at a loss

[frigid vector]

[lost void]

Xaihi for her BS & Ult and solidification.
Alesh for forced solidification

This team is like LR but somewhat 60-40 cryo-phys

Fluorite can be replaced by Gilberta though

[frigid vector]

let me double check

[drifting quest]

Lmao

[karmic tusk]

somehow bro made my idea even dumber 😭

[frigid vector]

no it seems to be elec/heat sus only

[summer flower]

Combo skill

[frigid vector]

that's just stack build

there's no buffing there

[summer flower]

Look combo skill ffs

[midnight stirrup]

Does Yvonne come out today

[summer flower]

Do you see it?

[midnight stirrup]

I thought tomorrow

[drifting quest]

Tomorrow

[summer flower]

Ads started today

Like YT content got out

[midnight stirrup]

Oh okay

[summer flower]

Infliction

[frigid vector]

I think you're going to have to spell it out for me, because all I see is that antal is offerring a free infliction

not buffs

[neon cave]

in about 15 hours for asia server

[drifting quest]

Antal for cryo infliction for shatter

Lmfao

Cant make it up

[summer flower]

SP efficient

[karmic tusk]

🙏

[tawdry sorrel]

Oh It should be fine then right since fully artificed would put me at 103.4%

Scratch that I forgot about the gloves and the armor Would be 106.7 with everything maxed

[drifting quest]

Tldr dont run antal, dont run fluorite, dont run wulf

Just run chen like a normal person

[lost void]

Shatter team aka cryophys can be more on phys team then another will be more on cryo damage.

cryoPHYS team with Alesh-Estella + somebody from phys team

CRYOphys team with Alesh-Estella Xaihi and/or flex unit (gilberta, pog, lifeng,endmin)

[summer flower]

Chen? Why Chen? Does Estella lifts?

[karmic tusk]

i mean if u want to do max solidification, ur gonna need more than just estella

[drifting quest]

Why do you want max

[summer flower]

Of Estella lifts then Chen perhaps?

[neon cave]

well the table i showed is only for how many battle skills and combo skills are needeed to get enough energy for a 90 SP ult, it doesnt include any damage tradeoffs, but it's a reference ig lol

[karmic tusk]

much higher damage

[drifting quest]

Its not going to convert to higher damage over time

[karmic tusk]

yea bc rn theres no infliction stackers who are good enough 😔

[tawdry sorrel]

Still very useful thank you

[drifting quest]

Because consistent crush is a relevant part of the damage

[summer flower]

You sure?

[karmic tusk]

yea ik, but if u had fast enough infliction stacking u could do both

[summer flower]

You were in da pan club some time ago

[drifting quest]

???

That is an entirely different team

Lmao

[summer flower]

Shatter is crush like

[drifting quest]

Shatter and physical are 2 different teams

[midnight stirrup]

^

[karmic tusk]

shatter is a type of physical

[summer flower]

Crush like in playstyle

[drifting quest]

Dapan has never been considered for shatter

[lost void]

it's either or not simultaneously otherwise you will consume arts rxn every 2 stacks only then end with 4 stacks vuln crush/breach

[karmic tusk]

i dont see why not

[drifting quest]

Dapan was better for physical for a while

Still is in many cases

[summer flower]

Was better?

[drifting quest]

As I have said

Countless times

[summer flower]

So which items were added?

[drifting quest]

????

[summer flower]

What was changed in operators?

[karmic tusk]

da pan is better than endmin

bc of his vuln stacking

[frozen tide]

Me when new discoveries about optimization and rotations are made

[summer flower]

Nothing changed they say it was better, it never was better if nothing changed

[rare zodiac]

Here have this image i think you need it

[lost void]

How is he better for a shatter team with Alesh who interacts with Endmins originium application-consumption.
Da only has crush, lift, kd

[neon cave]

he probably meant for a physical team that focuses on vuln stacks

[drifting quest]

Giga high investment
Animation cancel tech
New rotations that were not considered
Bugfixes
Accessibility

[karmic tusk]

all alesh's things that interact with orignium crystals also do the same thing with soldificiation no?

[drifting quest]

Thankfully I find it funny

I would not be here otherwise

[lost void]

I guess that was the intention of his skill set design.

[summer flower]

I think it's explicitly says so in description?

[lost void]

even has tooltip link/highlight

[midnight stirrup]

Yo correct me if im wrong

But wasn't it so that Endmin is more damage, but Da Pan is more comfort?

[drifting quest]

Still is the case

Mid tier investment dapan is also more damage

[karmic tusk]

pretty sure its that endmin is more damage per crush, but da pan is faster rotation bc his ult and bs are very good vulnerability stackers

[midnight stirrup]

Souka

[drifting quest]

Both are getting booted for probably tangtang

[summer flower]

Dude, which potential da pan?

[drifting quest]

4

[karmic tusk]

💔

[drifting quest]

5 ideally

[summer flower]

That's question on what potential math was done

Okay, yea non uprate p4

Either you have it or you don't

[drifting quest]

The same applies to endmin

[honest hill]

[drifting quest]

If you dont have grand vision on endmin

You always run dapan

[summer flower]

Endmin was checked on p2

[lost void]

Da's vuln-crush interaction ia easier to execute since rotation won't matter to him.

Endmin needs to CS first and create originium then consume it with ult. BS vuln consumption is outisde of that sequence.

[drifting quest]

Im aware

[honest hill]

also we don't know what the dupes are

endmin it's just ???

[lofty frigate]

shuo do you know if fervent morale affects the instance that triggers it

[drifting quest]

Shouldnt

But I dont know for sure

[midnight stirrup]

Yeah so what I said

comfort.

[karmic tusk]

not just comfort, also having da pan on the team just lets u stack vulnerability faster using his p5 bs and his ult

giving higher dps

[lost void]

easier to pilot, less complicated, yeah. Even his ult provides a new stack for the next cycle of vuln stacking with kd and yes he somewhat is the vuln stacker for phys comp if without Chen, more so if with Chen.

[midnight stirrup]

stack vuln faster = comfort

Fluorite allows for faster CS in LR too

[karmic tusk]

and higher dps

[midnight stirrup]

Thats comfort

[neon cave]

i shouldve added this before lol, in case you're curious what makes up those %s

[midnight stirrup]

I mean if Endmin is higher dps overall, it doesnt rly matter if Da Pan deals more dps

[drifting quest]

If you misplay dapan is also just better

Which probably makes him better for 90% of people

[midnight stirrup]

True

[summer flower]

Is p2 da pan better than endmin on mid investment?

[midnight stirrup]

Most people are ignorant on optimal routing

[drifting quest]

Endmin requires specific rotations

[drifting quest]

Can be, can not be

Depends

[frigid vector]

in the tournament that gryphline hosted for speedrunning triaggelos and marble at low invest, da pan teams were ripping it

[summer flower]

Cause I'm looking at and I see p5 being kinda huge?

[drifting quest]

It is

[frigid vector]

insanely good accessible char and arguably one of the best with limited resources

[midnight stirrup]

I mean tbf

[summer flower]

Yea, was even math done for equal potential?

[lost void]

Da, Pog & Endmin will make the 4stacks somewhat more complicated since you need to prioritize Breach for the 30 sec debuff and the next cycle will depend if you will uae it for Endmin or Da.

[midnight stirrup]

Endmin is free

and the weapon 1 buckeroni

[drifting quest]

GV is not

[frigid vector]

truu

I guess in that sense

da pan is the expensive one with exemplar

😔

[drifting quest]

Endmin without GV is

Pepelaugh

[midnight stirrup]

If u cant afford the 1 buck for GV

I mean

[dry kindle]

Just be luckier

[frigid vector]

if you're committed

to the F2P status

it's gonna be rough

[drifting quest]

Canal dapan is way above endmin without gv

[midnight stirrup]

Its in shop for like 2k

every so often

[lost void]

In the end Da will take a more DPS role than Endmin because Endmin talent is towards support.

[drifting quest]

Next appearance for gv is may

[frigid vector]

oh did it come around again

[drifting quest]

Lmao

[karmic tusk]

correct me if im wrong, but the way i see it right now da pan is better than endmin, as although endmins damage is sligihtly better, da pan speeds up the whole rotation meaning better dps overall. however, its very much possible that once we get more endmin potentials he easily surpasses da pan. and its also possible that both of them just get rendered useless if tang tang is a crush dps

[frigid vector]

thought it only appeared once back on release

[drifting quest]

It did not

[dry kindle]

P5 will give endmin crystal 2 vuln

[frigid vector]

F

[dry kindle]

Trust

[drifting quest]

It was only there week 1

Itll loop back in mid may

[frigid vector]

do you have the prediction sheet for weapons shuo cause that's insanely useful

to plan around

[drifting quest]

Only for 1.0

Since its datamine not leak

[summer flower]

Comparing free p2 Vs Gamba p5

[leaden mantle]

how much intelligence does akekuri need to reach the maxiumum sp recovery? 700?

[frigid vector]

ah

[drifting quest]

Former Finery > Repute

[lost void]

He will be more of a support role guard.

[drifting quest]

Are the last 2 1.0 ones

[dry kindle]

When's next stanza

[drifting quest]

Daily is not a fixed rotation so

[rare zodiac]

500 iirc

[drifting quest]

Could be tomorrow

[dry kindle]

[drifting quest]

We had 2 stanza in 4 days

[dry kindle]

I need 2 more

[drifting quest]

Last week

[karmic tusk]

endmin? i mean ig he kinda can with orignium crystals 20% damage boost but other than that i dont see how

[midnight stirrup]

speeding up the rotation doesnt mean better dps overall

[drifting quest]

Could have no stanza for a month now

[dry kindle]

[midnight stirrup]

its only better dps when u dont know about proper endmin routing

with shuo said is the case for most of the playerbase

[karmic tusk]

depends on the difference in damage

[midnight stirrup]

but in tc both optimal scenarios get looked at

[drifting quest]

Its a notable enough increase

[midnight stirrup]

and endmin is better

[drifting quest]

When you hit the requirements

[midnight stirrup]

u just said slight difference

now ur asking whats the difference

tf

[karmic tusk]

yea, and a slight difference in damage means a faster rotation is gonna mean higher dps

[midnight stirrup]

????

[frozen tide]

the definition of faster rotation is also ambiguous here

[karmic tusk]

dps is damage per second. if ur doing slightly more damage, but over a longer period of time, thats not as good as slightly less damage over a much shorter period of time

[midnight stirrup]

brother

u dont need to mainsplain dps to me

thats not what im talking about

[drifting quest]

Phys is typically calced over 3 rotations, denoted by consumptions
Endmin 4/3/4 is higher than Dapan 4/4/4 when played perfectly at high enough investment

[frozen tide]

doing more btks and btk cancels is almost always better cause of sp gain

[drifting quest]

Endmin 4/3/3 can be lower

The first 4 is always pog breach

The time for the full thing is comparable enough

[next helm]

My issue is that I already lvled endmin and weapon

[drifting quest]

If you consider infinite timeline dapan can win

[drifting quest]

No reason to swap

[midnight stirrup]

infinite timeline in a patch where bosses die in 1 rot

[drifting quest]

Phys can clear with 3 units, no dapan or endmin

[midnight stirrup]

by the time infinite timeline matters

da pan and endmin will be powercrept

[drifting quest]

Tangtang stocks

Cant wait for non phys tangtang to ruin it

[midnight stirrup]

no its rossi

tangtang is heat

cause bombs are fire

smile

[lost void]

The sceneario for a Da -Endmin on same team

• consume vuln stacks by Endmin for seal and a needed CC
• consume vuln stacks for his Crush and damage window

The rotation would be:
stack vuln provided by team, use Endmin CS then ulti, Endmin will give way/forestall BS for vuln consumption to Da for higher damage output Wok smash.

[midnight stirrup]

Rossi Pog Lifeng would go so hard

[frozen tide]

rossi pog lifeng ember

broken comp

[midnight stirrup]

nah we using gilberta

no vuln stacker

[karmic tusk]

nah gilberta best vuln stacker

trust

[midnight stirrup]

p2 gilberta stonks

nature my ass

[drifting quest]

Take a shot every time someone runs gilb on monophys to stack

[midnight stirrup]

it was physical all along

listen

im prophet

this will be true

namaste

[frozen tide]

gilb pog op cc comp

[leaden mantle]

ult gain efficency is basically engery recharge right?

[midnight stirrup]

WAIT

[rare zodiac]

I would be dead by now

[drifting quest]

Yes

[midnight stirrup]

do the pog midgets have aoe or splash

[drifting quest]

I would genuinely be dead I cant drink alcohol lmao

[leaden mantle]

how much shoudl i have on akekuri? 300?

[drifting quest]

Max is 240 range
The more the better for flexibility
209 is max ignoring fortmaker rots

[rare zodiac]

I can drink a shit ton and i would still be dead with how much gilb phys i have seen

[midnight stirrup]

riddle me this

[drifting quest]

Some need far less

[lost void]

Or just drink the insta +ult% food

[drifting quest]

2-4 shots could be lethal to me lmao

Dead several times over

[karmic tusk]

ok guys i got another theoretical, prob better than the wulfguard shatter team one

pog, lifeng, ember, da pan team, bc if u just intentionally get hit, ember can basically do the same thing chen does, in giving a free vuln stack with cs

[midnight stirrup]

can yall stop being alcoholics

and answer my question

smh

[drifting quest]

Ive not once drunk alcohol

Im not allowed to, medically

[frozen tide]

midgets?

[drifting quest]

Lmao

[frozen tide]

thats what you call them?

[midnight stirrup]

ur not missing out

[drifting quest]

We remove the good unit for a bad one

Cinema

[midnight stirrup]

wtf am i supposed to call them

soldiers

too long

[drifting quest]

Shieldguards

[midnight stirrup]

midgets is quick and efficient

[frozen tide]

iana calls them big burly men

[karmic tusk]

ay she does good stagger at least

lol

[midnight stirrup]

i know what ianas type is now

[lost void]

bouncers

[frozen tide]

unless he edited it out

[midnight stirrup]

bro said bouncers

[frozen tide]

you can see in his sheet

[midnight stirrup]

regardless

do they have aoe or splash

or are they st damage

[drifting quest]

What

[midnight stirrup]

THE MEN SHUO

[drifting quest]

Aoe or splash?

[midnight stirrup]

THE POG MEN THAT JUMP A MF

oh

[drifting quest]

Aoe and splash are the same thing

[midnight stirrup]

Naur

aoe is the same damage to all enemies

splash is a percentage f themain targets damage taken

to others

[drifting quest]

Then its cleave

Typically

[lost void]

there is pointblank (circular aoe) and cone

[midnight stirrup]

im used to splash damage

anyway

do they

[drifting quest]

No clue

[rare zodiac]

Don’t know

[midnight stirrup]

damn nobody got phys built

[drifting quest]

Nonfactor as far as tc is concerned

Matters for like mobbing only

[next helm]

holy this woman is hard to play in general content

[drifting quest]

Which is like why are you popping pog ult

[lost void]

No Pog sorry but I have already simulated how phys team would work in my head.

[drifting quest]

Lend me some ultimate Pogranichnik. These are base Aggeloi we are up against

[rare zodiac]

Besides does pog dmg matter?

[molten star]

Looking at the attack formula, I lowkey think etching the main attribute to max level is a waste but seeing 7/9 looks uglys

[midnight stirrup]

yes

[rare zodiac]

I think he heal the enemy when he hit

[midnight stirrup]

dont u knw

stanza bad

supports should deal 20% of overall team damage or higher

thats why xaihi sucks

[lost void]

I'd rather keep it at 6 then force the weap set effect to max.

[midnight stirrup]

buffing a carry bad

[molten star]

I will etchmax last rite too and will do that from now on lol

[midnight stirrup]

etchmax is a crazy term

say max etching

[rare zodiac]

Etchmaxing

[lost void]

screw carries. It's always carries that take limelight when the won't actually shine w/o support. Yeah 4-man support team,go!

[midnight stirrup]

stanza bad

gilb sig better

3 stats good stanza only one bad

4-star maxed better than stanza

[lost void]

LR needs raw stat because it benefits her ult. Special case for support/sp battery chars having talent grants 1.x more effect from int/will

[molten star]

Day after day defenders looks to be the goats

[midnight stirrup]

ofc the sigewinne main would say that

bro x'd me like his pfp isnt sigewinne

[next helm]

Do aleshes skill lvls matter?

[neon cave]

wait how would you get 240? is that max artificed ulti gain eff gear + max pot/essence fortmaker?

[midnight stirrup]

what team

shatter or yvonne

[next helm]

yvonne

[drifting quest]

Its like 245

[midnight stirrup]

no

hes just an ult bot

[drifting quest]

100 + 109 + 37

[midnight stirrup]

and want energy recharge

[drifting quest]

Or so

[lost void]

It's a way of promoting them who know Mi will be 6 star phys evasion Defender

[neon cave]

oh the first 100 there is the base value ayt ty

[molten star]

I thought she will be electric? If phys then good because I have 3 exemplers from rolling on LR's weapon

[rare zodiac]

Or a postbuff Zhongli

[midnight stirrup]

nah mi fu is cryo

[drifting quest]

The inevitable -50% ult gain efficiency umbral monument

[midnight stirrup]

rossi is cryo

zhuang fangyi is xaihi powercreep cryo

tangtang is phys

[rare zodiac]

Make it a 100

No more ult for u

[lost void]

Yes her lightning storm will freeze enemies

[midnight stirrup]

yes

lightning storm = rain

rain with cold = ice

ice = 3 letters

3 = 3 lines

3 lines = triangle

[neon cave]

confirmed? whered you get the info

[drifting quest]

No

[midnight stirrup]

zhuang fangyi illuminati confirmed

[drifting quest]

They are memeing

[rare zodiac]

He is memeing

[midnight stirrup]

....

aint no way bro fell for low effort ragebait

[neon cave]

em dumb

[drifting quest]

No matter how obvious the meme

People will believe

[midnight stirrup]

😭

i need them to announce livestream

[rare zodiac]

I need drip marketing, i want to see more gear and shit

[summer flower]

She is dorrito confirmed

[midnight stirrup]

oh right

drip marketing

i wonder if akef will participate in that

[summer narwhal]

do we have a spreadsheet of Essences/Weapons?

so I can determine if the ones I'm about to use as etch fuel are useful somewhere else?

[drifting quest]

See team build pins

[midnight stirrup]

See team build pins

[summer narwhal]

has the same exact pin as here

which has nothing

nevermind, I'm dumb

[midnight stirrup]

Atleast youre self aware

[tranquil burrow]

Holy that stage 2 with Laevatain was something

Barely scrapped by after like 7 attempts or something

[neat snow]

[midnight stirrup]

Aint no way bulls are hard with Laev

[neon cave]

i tried to add to this

[midnight stirrup]

Whats the point to this edit

[rare zodiac]

Dodge issues, i have seen my friend get combo to dead by those bulldozers

[midnight stirrup]

They really aint that difficult to dodge

[rare zodiac]

I was like just dodge better 4 head

[midnight stirrup]

Skill issue going crazy in this community

[midnight stirrup]

Solid advice

[unreal light]

Tc channel

[rare zodiac]

He even livestream and I constantly have to tell him to dodge into the attack u dumbass

[neon cave]

kjf wrong screenshot

it's just to see which stage to run

[midnight stirrup]

?

[rare zodiac]

Like when them do the red spin attack, i saw him dodge out and then walk right into the hit range

[midnight stirrup]

Oh

Just put the two numbers behind the thing

Way too much extra info for no reason

[midnight stirrup]

I just be slapping twice with LR to dodge out then dodge in

Times perfectly

then float them with Gilb combo bc of FS

and they dead

[unreal light]

The last place one seeks when skill issue idk

[midnight stirrup]

[distant python]

Just use snow shine

[midnight stirrup]

Why would I use snowshine blud

thats dps loss

u use snowshine when u suck at the game

[rare zodiac]

I just tell them to put their ego down and slab Catcher in

[distant python]

Easy parry, don't care about DPS loss because no time limit

[midnight stirrup]

the whole discussion is about git gud

and bro recommends snowshine

i cant

[unreal light]

Just kill enemies faster idk

[distant python]

We stop telling people to get good and tell them how to cope with being bad

[midnight stirrup]

tell that to people who are bad

#team-build

why tf u telling me

[rare zodiac]

Yeah i did, Catcher is goat for that

[midnight stirrup]

https://giphy.com/gifs/takdes-takundes-endfield-yy4CJiCyewjxPQ0RQA

[distant python]

I just brute force stage 2 with double sustain

[unreal light]

It’s a content issue

[midnight stirrup]

why is it a content issue

[neon cave]

i have something way worse lol. i was calculating which tags had the highest rate to drop a useful essence (usable for a weapon). most wouldnt need it tho since it'd be a completionist thing

[tranquil burrow]

do you get off from being this much of an elitist prick or what

[unreal light]

Weak content creates weak people

[midnight stirrup]

says you

also why u offended when im not even talking to you

grow some skin bro

[tranquil burrow]

my intrusive thoughts won

[unreal light]

Wtf

[unreal light]

I do

[midnight stirrup]

anyway

[midnight stirrup]

weak content creates weak players
hard content creates weak content

[unreal light]

Hard content makes me hard

Or what was the saying

[midnight stirrup]

i wanted to make a joke

but opal gonna have my neck if I do

so lemme chill

[rare zodiac]

Opal?

[midnight stirrup]

iykyk

[distant python]

I like content where I can change something about my playstyle to make it easier

[unreal light]

I believe it’s up to many warns till you get erased

[distant python]

Without it just being a skill check

[unreal light]

Unnuted, if one wishes

[midnight stirrup]

anyway

lets be serious for a second

@frozen tide do u still think its possible to get corrosion and consume stacks at the same time

at a perfect frame

otherwise im not testing if u dont think its worth

[frozen tide]

not certain but havent seen anyone succeed

[rare zodiac]

It’s possible? Like lag or something?

[frozen tide]

so probs not possible?

im guessing atleast one woulda said smth if they hit it

[midnight stirrup]

tbf

only hifumi and i can rly test it

and u

i dont think others were invested enough to test or notice

and its pretty obscure

[unreal light]

I mean what’s the definition of skill difference, if not beating hard content with the worst team possible

[rare zodiac]

If it even works I think it will get patched the moment it’s properly proven

[frozen tide]

they give all rite player p5 as compensation if it gets patched

[rare zodiac]

Idk beating hard content while hard?

[frozen tide]

while hard?

shi

[rare zodiac]

I mean in Wuwa there are those Danjin player that beating boss blindfolded and control using piano or some shit

[unreal light]

It is insane how they made lifeng having one arm, as to resemble how I play him

[frozen tide]

is that a requirement to be hard

[midnight stirrup]

If it works I aint saying shit

Only Hifumi and Schlong will know

Gatekeep dps

[sleek bluff]

Is theory lore allowed here

[distant python]

Play Yvonne to make content hard while also being hard yes

[midnight stirrup]

No bro

#lore-room

[sleek bluff]

I almost got muted in #lore-room

[unreal light]

Until a mod sees

[midnight stirrup]

If you almost got muted you shouldnt say it all

Actually

[unreal light]

Outlored

[midnight stirrup]

You know what

Say it

[rare zodiac]

Bro was cooking some gud sit

[midnight stirrup]

We support you

[frozen tide]

why is there a permanent no misinformation allowed thingy floating in lore room

[midnight stirrup]

Idk I dont talk in lore

This game barely has any

Its mostly arknights yap

[rare zodiac]

I don’t know i skip the moment the game let me skip

[midnight stirrup]

I dont skip mq