theorycrafting

[lilac bloom]

oh geah

[midnight stirrup]

Greedy ahh already forgot

https://giphy.com/gifs/takdes-takundes-endfield-yy4CJiCyewjxPQ0RQA

[lilac bloom]

i kinda hope they fix wep banner rolls too its kind of ass

[proud vector]

the real 69iq play is to reroll for 1.1 banners

[midnight stirrup]

I mean theyre aware of the issue

So maybe

Survey is always weirdly specific

[lilac bloom]

yeah

[proud vector]

god I’m honestly slightly tempted to reroll now that I understand the game much better

[lilac bloom]

and the per banner character tickets 😭

i got absurdly lucky i cannot reroll this account

[midnight stirrup]

Idm the banner char tickets

[lilac bloom]

they just do absolutely nothing idk

[midnight stirrup]

theyre pity

[lilac bloom]

are they though

[midnight stirrup]

yes

[lilac bloom]

bc pity doesnt transfer

[midnight stirrup]

huh

it does

[lilac bloom]

lemme check the flowchart again :/

[midnight stirrup]

its rly simple

[tame sand]

someone didnt do the homework

[midnight stirrup]

1-79 pity transfers

[proud vector]

‘pity’ transfers
‘Sparking’ does not

[midnight stirrup]

80 is a random 6-star

80-119 is still pity, but u wont keep the guarantee

on next banner

[tame sand]

its time for the Big Brain strat to be known outside of CN

do 30-120 for banner pulls

[proud vector]

The calculated best strategy is funnily enough to:

Not lose the 80 pity to the 120 garentee, meaning you should enter a banner at 40/80 pity

[tame sand]

so you get triple 6 stars

[midnight stirrup]

strat pfftt

https://giphy.com/gifs/endfield-last-rite-d4wx9GXUBYYcPAic41

gif nerfed booba smh

[tame sand]

30/80 is good enough

[frozen tide]

Thats a thing?

[tame sand]

its called the big brain strat in CN

[frozen tide]

Is it real

[lilac bloom]

so pity up to 80 pulls transfers

[tame sand]

what I said

[proud vector]

The most damaging thing that can happen is like

Be at 70~ pity and hit 120

Because the 120 will nom your pity

[lilac bloom]

but if you get the 6* from the 120 you lose it all

[tame sand]

the only downside is if you didnt miss the second pity

[lilac bloom]

building pity is bad anyways but ig it means the yvonne tickets wont be a complete waste :/

[tame sand]

anything else is fine

[warm galleon]

Let me give y'all an advice
||just swipe||.

[proud vector]

So strategies that aim to prevent this are mathematically better than other pull Strats lol

[tame sand]

if you hit in the first pity: you are good

if you miss both pities: you are good

if you hit in the second pity: slightly worse off

[midnight stirrup]

1-79 transfers
80 is a random 6 star and resets pity
80 - 119 transfers as 39 pity
120 is guarantee and resets pity.

[lilac bloom]

i got the voucher and the tickets for yvonne banner which is like what, 15-17 pity for whoever is next

[frozen tide]

I usually just stop after the 6 star

[lilac bloom]

unless i have a psychotic episode and roll for yvonne for real

[frozen tide]

[midnight stirrup]

Actually

Does the 120 guarantee reset the 40 pity

idk

[proud vector]

Yep

[midnight stirrup]

ah ok

[tame sand]

one additional upside is you get free 10 pulls from investing 30 in the pool before hand

[midnight stirrup]

cause it doesnt for dupes

[lilac bloom]

🗒️ hypergryph smoking the finest crack in the boardroom wtf

[tame sand]

which isnt hard when you get 10 free pulls per banner

[lilac bloom]

oh so you can do 30 pulls and get 40 pity overall?

[tame sand]

no but its another 7% to hit

[dry mist]

Do I need to pull Gilberta?

[midnight stirrup]

no

[lilac bloom]

ah ywa

[proud vector]

No they mean the 5 free tickets they give and 5 from shop
The 40 special 10 pull doesn’t work for pity (which is good AND bad. If you HIT a 6* it won’t reset pity!)

[lilac bloom]

i dont think they meant that wither

[lilac bloom]

this is from tickets yeah?

[lilac bloom]

🤨 gas?

[tame sand]

10 free tickets, then 10 free pulls when you are 30 in a banner

[midnight stirrup]

when do u get the 10 fr next banner again

after 60 pulls?

[dry mist]

Rn I only have LR as main dps should I get Gilberta?

[tame sand]

thats 60

[lilac bloom]

uh i dont remember

[proud vector]

60 yea

[lilac bloom]

yes

[midnight stirrup]

it helps last rite yeah

[lilac bloom]

you arent cooked if you dont but shes very good

[tame sand]

no

[midnight stirrup]

dont listen to HH

hes not a LR player

[dry mist]

O

[midnight stirrup]

https://giphy.com/gifs/endfield-last-rite-d4wx9GXUBYYcPAic41

[dry mist]

So pull?

[proud vector]

ehhhhh

[tame sand]

LR is my second team

also I already have gil

[proud vector]

Idk about Gil Gil

[lilac bloom]

i hate this gif i cant lie

[midnight stirrup]

Gil makes LR great in aoe

u dont cope in agony with LR with Gil

[proud vector]

[midnight stirrup]

thats big value

powercrept yvonne even harder

also gilb isnt far behind st ardelia content iwth lr

ignore my sentence structure im tired

[proud vector]

the downside is of course

Limited pulls you’d need to spend

[frozen tide]

Gilb has corrosion stonks

Ard does not

[midnight stirrup]

i mean u gonna have to pull limited supps at one point anyway

[lilac bloom]

last rite is so fucking dependant on that blue rock of a sword

[midnight stirrup]

AND

[proud vector]

FR FR

[dry mist]

So the team will be LR, Gil, Xaihi and Ardelia?

[tame sand]

nah, no satellite supp in sight

[midnight stirrup]

uhhh

works yeah

or perlica gil

[frozen tide]

Thats like a turbo optimized speedkill comp for certain situations

[midnight stirrup]

or perlica ardelia

[lilac bloom]

avy is also a homeless bum without her weapon and pots but like

[midnight stirrup]

last rite has alot of options

[proud vector]

Fuark idk if Rossi would want Gilb

[midnight stirrup]

most time u run perlica gil in general sense tho

[lilac bloom]

homeless woman calling another homeless woman broke

[proud vector]

Rossi aaaaa what do you doooooo

[midnight stirrup]

i said at one point

[tame sand]

inb4 Rossi only works with Laev

[frozen tide]

Rossi is a nature defender

[midnight stirrup]

[lilac bloom]

what if rossi is electic and zhuang ends up being nature

[frozen tide]

Who gives team wide defense and healing

[oak vigil]

Do you think it’s made out of meth or a big candy

Very important theory question

[midnight stirrup]

zhuang is not nature bro

yall are delulu

[dry mist]

Idk wether I should pull Gilberta or not T-T

[lilac bloom]

big candy

[warm galleon]

Rossi will have 50% dmg boost if Endmin is on team.

[midnight stirrup]

why would they make a nature dps use electric when electric exists

[tame sand]

only pull Gil if you think shes cute

[frozen tide]

Could very well be hybrid

[tame sand]

otherwise you likely ergret

[midnight stirrup]

hybrid this early

[proud vector]

Natural reactions in kit lmfao

[frozen tide]

Fluo is a hybrid sorta

[proud vector]

O true

[midnight stirrup]

Just pull bro shes peak

[midnight stirrup]

isnt her main damage form nature

not cryo

[frozen tide]

Nature infliction with forced electrification

[dry mist]

Ok I just hope I don’t make a mistake T-T

[lilac bloom]

how many pulls do you have anyways @dry mist

[frozen tide]

Gg we got john debuff

[midnight stirrup]

youll get her early

believe

[dry mist]

100

[tame sand]

...

[proud vector]

🤣 build a lv4 corrosion and NEVER LET THAT SHIT DROP

[frozen tide]

When i say hybrid I just mean capable of using multiple element infliction/reactions

[midnight stirrup]

i mean fair

but that means zhaung will be electric

[lilac bloom]

playing a dangerous game

with 100 pulls

[midnight stirrup]

with nature reaction capabilities

aint no way shes nature main

[frozen tide]

Nobody knows unless they have forbidden knowledge

[midnight stirrup]

we do know

she summoned a thunderstorm

[lilac bloom]

my cousin is lowlight

[dry mist]

O

[frozen tide]

But electro main with hint of nature sounds real enough

[oak vigil]

If genuinely speaking:

If you have time-limited tickets? Use them and see if you got her.
If not, IF YOU DO LIKE THE CHARACTER and not just because of “oh she buffs”, pull her. I’ll guarantee you if it’s just because of the “oh she buffs”, she will rot in dijang in a like a month unused due to you not liking a character lol

[midnight stirrup]

she showed 0 nature

[proud vector]

Even the people with forbidden knowledge don’t know for sure

[lilac bloom]

or whatever he calls himself with endfield

john hypergryph

[midnight stirrup]

schling

if im right

[frozen tide]

Green color and connection to xiranite

Idk

[midnight stirrup]

and shes electric main

[frozen tide]

Yeah

[dry mist]

Ok then

[midnight stirrup]

u gotta feed ur xaihi armor into new armor

[frozen tide]

?

[oak vigil]

Tldr: pull for what you like with your heart truly

[midnight stirrup]

https://giphy.com/gifs/arknights-endfield-last-rite-WQbHWNqqB27O83smTb

[frozen tide]

I never even argued against zhuang being electro main

[oak vigil]

okay nvm too corny 💔

[frozen tide]

[lilac bloom]

this is much better than that other gif

[oak vigil]

But you get my point

[midnight stirrup]

i mean u kinda did

[frozen tide]

How

[outer ermine]

[frozen tide]

I said she might be a hybrid

[midnight stirrup]

https://giphy.com/gifs/takdes-takundes-endfield-yy4CJiCyewjxPQ0RQA

[frozen tide]

And gave fluo as an example

[lilac bloom]

no the pool one

[frozen tide]

That's not contradictory

[lilac bloom]

FLOO?

[midnight stirrup]

[lilac bloom]

FLOOANDEREEZ

[proud vector]

I’m feeling she is the Laev equivalent for electr—-

[midnight stirrup]

nature infliction

scammaz

[proud vector]

FLOOOOOO

NOT THE BIRDS

[lilac bloom]

THOSE GODDAMN PENGUINS

[frozen tide]

Mb for listing ideas

Ill never do that again

[proud vector]

AAAAAAA

[frozen tide]

👍

[lilac bloom]

a shared trauma.

[midnight stirrup]

we banning schling for missinformation

https://giphy.com/gifs/endfield-last-rite-d4wx9GXUBYYcPAic41

[lilac bloom]

last rite and flourite working at a rite aid

[midnight stirrup]

fluorite sounds like a toothpaste brand

[proud vector]

it kinda does lol

But also SLANDER!

[lilac bloom]

its a rock

[midnight stirrup]

fluorite mid

[proud vector]

How dare

[midnight stirrup]

LOL

I CANT POST THE FLUORITE GIF

IT GOT FILTERED

[proud vector]

[midnight stirrup]

this one

even the server hates her

https://giphy.com/gifs/arknights-endfield-gif-NOOhT6M5LugmELh78b

[oak vigil]

https://tenor.com/view/フローライト-flow-endfield-gif-12757389959336405366

[midnight stirrup]

nah thats cheating

https://giphy.com/gifs/arknights-endfield-laevatain-7jalc6Awk318h0Dmwu

[oak vigil]

I’ll try that gif in the screenshot, one moment

https://tenor.com/view/fluorite-endfield-arknights-arknights-endfield-no-no-gif-17903068594839167665

it works? Yeah it works

you lying

[midnight stirrup]

https://giphy.com/gifs/takdes-takundes-endfield-yy4CJiCyewjxPQ0RQA

[warm galleon]

I have the best gif

[midnight stirrup]

hackermans

[dry mist]

I do like her but maybe not enough pulls to guarantee her so may skip… I probably skip a long term character tho… T-T

[warm galleon]

[midnight stirrup]

https://giphy.com/gifs/yvonne-hello-chat-endfield-j7o0c2sqoh4hNOnnVC

[oak vigil]

of that exact gif from my side btw

[midnight stirrup]

why urs named differently

hackermans

[lilac bloom]

oh i think its because the g word is banned

[oak vigil]

Maybe it’s because of keywords you type? Did you just type fluorite and g word?

[midnight stirrup]

i mean duh

jk

but he gets a diff url

than me

for the same gif

[oak vigil]

nvm the gif just doesn’t appear that way

[midnight stirrup]

i literally showed u what to enter

it didnt have g

[oak vigil]

Fluorite’s gif dilemma

[midnight stirrup]

man fuck fluorite

anyway

https://giphy.com/gifs/meme-arknights-wulfgard-HNUsnYNleUKTqnpdw7

[outer ermine]

i will infact fuck flourite

[midnight stirrup]

ok scalie

[lilac bloom]

men should kiss

[outer ermine]

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/954264259402006599/1474873817456316538/17717072648760764136.mp4?ex=699cc047&is=699b6ec7&hm=6a6890f6a7cbadf8382573d87ed6b064080e54aa762ecae5a1b76da5a8dd2346&

[midnight stirrup]

https://giphy.com/gifs/endfield-perlica-dance-nEEFSWt59RtBvu0Q10

[proud vector]

rock cancer down under

[midnight stirrup]

bro whoever makes these gifs

im giving u a raise

[tame sand]

no Estella fans here?

https://tenor.com/view/estella-arknights-endfield-endfield-arknights-gif-18368737174926263091

[lilac bloom]

i always forget she exists until im reminded of shatter

[midnight stirrup]

I mean shes alright

Im indifferent about her

[tame sand]

shes a homeless kitty

[gritty briar]

estella is cute

[midnight stirrup]

Im sure theyll all grow on me at some point

[gritty briar]

trying to build her but i'm too poor

it'll take until next battle pass before that team is ready

[lilac bloom]

im bankrupt from building phys

[tame sand]

her normals are extremely fun

especially her execution animation

[midnight stirrup]

I hope the story turns a little darker next patch

Wuwa shouldve set a standard

[lilac bloom]

why does flourite attack slower than catcher 😭

[ebon thicket]

How do I stop those cows from rushing me? Or is the entire fight just main character dodges and only AI can fight?

[proud vector]

Huge fan

[gritty briar]

dodge and then hit them

[proud vector]

I could build normal phys but I wanna build shatter phys for lethargic cat

Hilarious little sleepy blob

[gritty briar]

well you can actually stop the cows from charging with parry characters

like catcher and snowshine

[tame sand]

use your 6 star selector and get ember

there you go

[tame sand]

hmm I wonder what the name of the stage means

[midnight stirrup]

Gilberta combo also lifts them into the air

smile

[tame sand]

nah cant figure it out

[midnight stirrup]

https://giphy.com/gifs/hi-endfield-saluy-4SmTJcGbPDAl1vLcVV

[proud vector]

the fact that the AI get annihilated by the swerve is nasty

Also the things have like the nastiest combos known to man

It body blocked me against the wall > into charge > into giga melee hit before

[midnight stirrup]

Why does Perlica look so dead in the eyes breh

istg she evil

[normal tangle]

oh

[oak vigil]

You meant about second stage on agony mode?
I recommend first dodging their 3 parts rush first and then focusing on staggering them. Also focus on the first one, due to being the most damaged

[normal tangle]

i lowkey just rawdogged the dodges and it worked fine

you can ai manip

[proud vector]

AI manip?

Teach me the ways of your esoteric strategy

Oh do you mean AI of bulls

[normal tangle]

yea the bull

chat gpt is not playing the game for me

wish it did tho 💔

[gritty briar]

it's kinda easy to just dodge and fight normally as a ranged character too

[proud vector]

I thought you had some sort of swap tech to keep AI safe LOL

[gritty briar]

just stood in the middle and dodged from time to time

[normal tangle]

ai take 10% dmg of usual

if you're struggling that bad just ardelia ult and swap to them for 2s

[proud vector]

No?

[normal tangle]

yea?

ake was taking 100 dmg from a face first charge

[proud vector]

AI getting hit by the melee attack definitely takes more than 10%(2k noms)

The charges yes though

[normal tangle]

my ai was not getting hit by the actual melee attacks idk

or at least not enough for me to notice

[gritty briar]

my ai never got close to dying but they're leveled quite a bit

[proud vector]

Yea mine were

[normal tangle]

mine are js lv 60 and they're fine

[proud vector]

They got charge attacked into it once, I saw

[normal tangle]

ended the fight with all above 70% hp

[proud vector]

[gritty briar]

it helps to not be casting ally skills during their charges

cause then they won't dodge

[proud vector]

That I know

[normal tangle]

worst part is when ai is flailing on the ground for the charge though

[proud vector]

It wasn’t me casting that caused it I’ll say that much

[normal tangle]

i press 3 to start my combo but nothing happens, then i realize my ake is making snow angels on the floor

[gritty briar]

did you guys bother to kill at the same time or just nuke 1 by 1?

I just locked on to one

[normal tangle]

they both charge at the same time, just lead them to the same place

[proud vector]

I did a same time kill after getting annoyed at the stage with Chen Endmin Ardelia

[normal tangle]

it's 3x dash -> slam

get them to slam in the same area then just laeva away

[edgy crater]

matador?

[normal tangle]

yea

pretend you're holding a red cape

[proud vector]

The attack patterns can desync and well

Holy fck desynced charges is spicy

[edgy crater]

oh dat stage

[gritty briar]

mine were never synced at all but it never got super unlucky

[edgy crater]

matador attack buff capped on 99

[gritty briar]

the timing had enough time in between for me

[proud vector]

Mine were doing fighting game combos on my ass for like 4 hit combos LOL

they OTG’d me aaaa

[normal tangle]

lowkey skill issue

just don't desync them

[proud vector]

ok master of the baiting

[edgy crater]

kthree, u can always solo defender on dat stage

[gritty briar]

they don't even start synced. the 2nd one spawns in during the middle of the fight

[proud vector]

Well yeah I beat it but trying to shitty LR the stage was funny

[edgy crater]

2nd bull spawn when 1st bull hp around 50-60%

[neat snow]

I just slowly killed the first and then immediately used all ults and skills to burst down the second before it could get stacks

[edgy crater]

doing it with lr kinda ez

[proud vector]

without sig?

[normal tangle]

my ass had 70 stacks it's fine

just dodge lol

[edgy crater]

its always sig

[proud vector]

naaah that’s why I call it shitty LR

No sig

[normal tangle]

3rd stage was lowkey the easiest one idk why they picked that as the finale

bull stage 5x harder

[proud vector]

True and valid

It beats up dodge spammers though

[edgy crater]

u can 1 rotation on 1st n 3rd stage

[proud vector]

dats why shitty LR life and LR life are so different

I can’t 1 rotation shit, I gotta land multiple rotations

[edgy crater]

just get khrav smh

[proud vector]

but I don’t wannaaaaaa

[normal tangle]

which one? third?

[proud vector]

Yea third

[normal tangle]

that was just a generic unmodified miniboss wasn't it

[proud vector]

It heavily reduced your dodge stamina gain so it punished dodge spamming instead of timing it properly

[normal tangle]

oh

[proud vector]

It’ll be annoying for casuals but

otherwise very easy

[normal tangle]

i didn't even notice

[gritty briar]

I didn't read and got killed cause i didn't realize my stamina was out lmao

[proud vector]

Legitimately I would like to see what Rossi and TangTang do before committing to Khrav

it’s not like the content is hard to the point where I need Khrav yet

(Just more painful)

[drifting quest]

surely drip marketing this week

we're sub 3 weeks to 1.1

[proud vector]

halfway through Yvonne

OG Arknights is 1 week? Prior no?

Coincides with stamina event

So you can prefarm your gals

[lilac bloom]

some of these umbral monuments cant be done at low levels without healers can they

[gritty briar]

i just want the stamina event and new battlepass

[proud vector]

Extremely rough but no they can be

just gotta solo

[normal tangle]

rossi laeva support
tangtang phys striker
calling it rn

[lilac bloom]

the ballista and axe one was easy

but the constant poison and enemies sitting still ones are just

im taking damage over time :/

[normal tangle]

unsure about tangtang but there's no way rossi isn't a laeva support

[proud vector]

Oh you mean older monument

[lilac bloom]

yeah

[normal tangle]

she's even heat

[proud vector]

Is she heat?

[lilac bloom]

im still doing the agony versions of the old monument

[normal tangle]

she has heat fx when she hits enemies

so i think so

look up the cutscene

[proud vector]

According to forbidden knowledge she is ——— shot

[proud vector]

Yeah no that one is rough

AI don’t dodge arrows super consistently and if you cannot kill fast well the damage stacks too high

There was a Chen no hit solo of this stage though, that was really impressive

[drifting quest]

can be as little as 4 days

[gritty briar]

understandable

[drifting quest]

March 9th is about the latest we would find out

[normal tangle]

oh dude even her shadow is fire lol

didn't even notice

https://youtu.be/Gc718RJmDA0?t=50 (timestamped)

she's like 1000% heat

[gritty briar]

watch her be heat dps to mess with the laev users

[drifting quest]

how to ruin a banners revenue in 1 easy step

[proud vector]

eh

I kinda wish I didn’t need Laev to use Rossi well though

As a laevless saver

[normal tangle]

people cope ember, you can cope rossi

[drifting quest]

she could be generic, or also work for a future heat dps

[proud vector]

4 vanguard Rossi arclight team here I come!

[drifting quest]

but id struggle to imagine her not being there to help laev

at worst she's a subdps and then might not even make the team

[normal tangle]

we def needed a buff for the best unit ingame

[lilac bloom]

christ

[drifting quest]

in that case you can prob force her as a carry

[tame sand]

ayyy my forth team beat agony umbral

shatter is fun

[gritty briar]

wtf 4 teams

materials how

[proud vector]

It really depends if she is on the burst or combustion engine tbh

[lilac bloom]

ts is penis

[normal tangle]

combustion engine? what's that mean

to make laeva p3 actually do something?

[proud vector]

Works with arts burst gameplay or arts reaction gameplay

[tame sand]

time to work on my fifth team

[normal tangle]

ah

[proud vector]

Laev likes to have heat infliction to nom on right

[normal tangle]

i'm more curious on if she's a vanguard or a support though

[tame sand]

they share a lot of operators so not hard, also I dont hard grind essence so more resource each day to grind materials

[normal tangle]

is she replacing ake or ardelia

[lilac bloom]

this fucking sucks oh my god 😭

[normal tangle]

yes

[drifting quest]

Id expect her to be vg purely because its what heat is missing

[proud vector]

I think the team is aware of vanguard stack to a degree

[normal tangle]

she doesn't care about combustion at all

[drifting quest]

Plus 1h sword unit

The vanguard cope options are 1h sword

[proud vector]

They don’t want to make too many vanguards with conditions that can be generically satisfied

[drifting quest]

'Cope option'
Looks inside
Thermite cutter

[normal tangle]

thermite cutter gonna outdps rossi sig gg

[tame sand]

doesnt matter, her sig looks cool on her

[gritty briar]

i wonder how a full vanguard team would feel like rn

[drifting quest]

It sucks

[tame sand]

gonna max pot her sig anyways

[normal tangle]

probably really bad

there's no synergy anywhere

pogra won't even be able to do his gimmick

[gritty briar]

a lot of vg buffs is shit that doesn't stack with themselves too

[tame sand]

like which ones

[normal tangle]

thermite and xiranite set ig idk

or whatever that one set is

[shut cobalt]

does leav's ult timer stop ticking when a combo skill animation is happening?

[gritty briar]

they're scared of the power of 4 thermites

[proud vector]

Right now at most we have like a reasonable double vanguard setup with Akekuri

[normal tangle]

ye

skill too

[proud vector]

Because Akekuri is universal

But no other vanguard really tolerate each other lol

[shut cobalt]

so just use combo skills when theyre available, right?

[normal tangle]

yes

[shut cobalt]

alr, thanks!

[normal tangle]

or if you already have 4 flame, save it

then combo right after casting ability

[lilac bloom]

ok this can be done but it blows

[normal tangle]

what is bro doing

[drifting quest]

It can be better to avoid combo during ult for laev if nearing the end of ult

So you have combo out of ult for energy

[proud vector]

imagine they make her a combustion merchant to buff Wulf dps

[normal tangle]

true

unless you're 3/4 flame or something

[drifting quest]

Even then

You want 4/4 flame when exiting ult

[normal tangle]

what would a combustion merchant even do man

genuinely how would you buff that

[proud vector]

Oh kinda easy tbh

Nom the entirety of the remaining duration of the DoT as a single burst and give it a bonus damage amp

beeg number

Or hell self buff depending on combustion nommed

[edgy crater]

kthree, u build ember?

[proud vector]

With the wolf spirits into sword thing she does

[drifting quest]

Rossi is likely 1.2 or 1.3 anyway so theres time to chill and see how other new kits release

[proud vector]

I have no ember

[normal tangle]

what's this based on?

[edgy crater]

wanna know if ember can solo matador or not

[normal tangle]

i'd imagine fangyi was the one who comes later

[proud vector]

Probably can?

[edgy crater]

need prof

[proud vector]

It’s just that it will be long and painful given it’s hard to normal attack when two exist - you have to wait for both to not be charging. It’s a lot of waiting.

[drifting quest]

We are mid wuling main story so makes no sense to go back to valley 4
Tangtang, mi fu, fangyi and liz whatever her name is are all wuling chars. That covers 1.1 1.2 and the rest of wuling main story

Then Rossi and Male Sankta can be a return to Valley 4 story in 1.2/1.3

It would be super jarring to drop wuling story to go see rossi

[tame sand]

we will never get back to V4

[distant python]

its probably gonna be misery, long basic attacks and your skill doesnt parry

[gritty briar]

yeah that sounds reasonable but watch them do it anyways

[tame sand]

so there is no time for good rossi release windo, they can do whatever they want with her

[gritty briar]

rossi next patch immediately

[edgy crater]

someone need to do it

[drifting quest]

Certainly wouldnt be shocked coming from Arknights but hey

[normal tangle]

do we even need to go back to v4 in actual story? laeva and gilb don't exist in msq either

just give her an event quest and call it a day

[proud vector]

The character story would make sense to take place in V4 I guess?

[drifting quest]

The chronology of when you unlock them is pre wuling

[tame sand]

also there was a "bug" fixing where they removed Tangtang and Rossi from "operators" category in Baker chat

[drifting quest]

Player level wise

You unlock them before you unlock wuling

[tame sand]

this is very telling that they missed this when developing 1.1, likely means they are the banners in1.1

so tons of fake leaks saying rossi and tangtang 1.1

[drifting quest]

Supreme bait

[proud vector]

Is it bait or is it real?

[normal tangle]

? they're all still there

[tame sand]

filter by operators

[proud vector]

[normal tangle]

ah

[tame sand]

it was in the patch notes, Idk why you guys are surprised lol

[drifting quest]

EN reading

[proud vector]

you think we read the whole patch notes!!?

[normal tangle]

okay that's at least a little funny

suspiciously placed gap

[proud vector]

Lmfao

[tame sand]

quick look up all character names with A

[normal tangle]

it's not in alphabetical order

[proud vector]

It’s not alphabetical

[summer flicker]

cope tangtang 1.1

[proud vector]

Avy wouldn’t be in the middle if it was

[normal tangle]

that was just coincidence i think

[summer flicker]

i have too many pulls rot

[proud vector]

nonsense no such thing as too many pulls

[normal tangle]

i have 100 pulls saved already

and i spent 112 on laeva

f2p btw

[summer flicker]

i have twice that 😭

[tame sand]

im bankrupt if they do tangtang plus rossi 1.1

I will swipe

[normal tangle]

yeah but did you get dogshit laeva pulls

triple 50/50 loss

[summer flicker]

i skip laeve

[normal tangle]

oh

nerdass

[summer flicker]

get yvonne in laeve

[proud vector]

we are the skippers

[summer flicker]

[proud vector]

We skip your launch banners

[normal tangle]

laeva skippers eating terribly when rossi comes out

[summer flicker]

nah, just that laev isnt my fav

yvonne is tho

[normal tangle]

assuming she's actually good

[proud vector]

the ultimate gamble

Who will eat shit?

[normal tangle]

there's no way they'll buff laeva by much

[drifting quest]

Why not

[summer flicker]

[normal tangle]

idk she's already the best in the game by quite a bit

[drifting quest]

She's not the best team in the game

In any catagory

[normal tangle]

?

are we saying phys is better or

if you say last rite i'm ending discussion lowkenuinely

[drifting quest]

Speedruns she isnt the fastest
Sustained dpr she isnt the highest

[proud vector]

Buuut she is a mix of the two no?

[normal tangle]

shouldn't you have like way more chartered if you didn't pull laeva

[drifting quest]

Umbral she isnt even fastest

And last set was aoe shill

She is good yes

Best no

[summer flicker]

i only spent 20 real pulls, the rest is exclusive banner pull

[normal tangle]

is this on a spreadsheet or in actual

because i imagine spreadsheet numbers are still pretty fuzzy

[drifting quest]

Both

[summer flicker]

have 1k4 left in here, but too lazy to do

[gritty briar]

laev doesn't kill rhodagn in 12 seconds so she must be trash!

[proud vector]

Then again, just because isn’t best doesn’t mean trash, lmao strawman

[drifting quest]

We love starting an entirely different argument

Misconstrue the argument to try make it look weaker

The TC classic

[proud vector]

Its a classic technique

Gotta have it in the back pocket to filter out people who don’t know how to deal with it

[normal tangle]

check their server tag it'll make sense

[drifting quest]

Right

[gritty briar]

it's a good tag

[proud vector]

Oh hey FF14

whaddiyaknow

[lilac bloom]

ok 3 enemies that can't be grouped or moved :/

[gritty briar]

i stopped playing that like 8 years ago

[lilac bloom]

i fucking hate these worms they might be the worst enemy type to deal with

[proud vector]

[gritty briar]

if you're actually running some underleveled team with no healer like you were asking about, i don't blame you for just leaving it to later tbh

[normal tangle]

don't you have like 19 days

[gritty briar]

doing that stage while barely taking any hits sounds pretty awful

[normal tangle]

unless you're really desperate for gilberta pulls you can ignore it

[lilac bloom]

i just dont know if i rly have the resources to wait :/

[summer flicker]

will stacking adorlia

[lilac bloom]

like i can't raise anything rn but i also dont know if i'd have enough after waiting to get more built

[normal tangle]

wha

what are you in a rush for

[lilac bloom]

clearing it before it's gone

[normal tangle]

you're fine vro

you can relax

[lilac bloom]

it takes so long to get any resources tho :/

ig ill try again once the stamina event is out

[quaint matrix]

is banner already up on cn?

[normal tangle]

you get 280 sanity per day

use your boosters

[gritty briar]

i think asia is only like 13 hours ahead?

[gritty briar]

same

[proud vector]

I think I built a treatment Ardelia for that stage to no brain it out

[lilac bloom]

sanity event please come

[proud vector]

Not in a leap year so like 6 days?

7 days?

[normal tangle]

man i lowkey want gilb but i also don't want to pull her

i just pull gilb in rossi banner trust

[normal tangle]

that's 920 right there

[tame sand]

rpg players smh

[normal tangle]

six seve

[proud vector]

Oh for fcks

arGH I hate that meme

[lilac bloom]

are they gonna be gone before the event

[normal tangle]

event is march 2

[peak void]

event is march 2 so do some math

[lilac bloom]

i didnt remember the exact date

[tame sand]

why are you even saving them for event

[normal tangle]

typeshit

[tame sand]

the event doesnt need you to have sanity items

[gritty briar]

everyone's paranoid that maybe they can use their saved sanity

same tbh

[peak void]

u cant lol

[proud vector]

oh good

I was saving them just in case

[peak void]

u can save the 40 sanity boosters this week, but not from last week

[tame sand]

you can only use max 160 sanity per day for the event

[lilac bloom]

oh i didnt know that

alright yeah i'll just save the perma and the buns then

[tame sand]

that was leaked awhile ago

[lilac bloom]

i dont follow leaks?

[proud vector]

LEAKS

forbidden knowledge!

[tame sand]

anyways if you dont hard grind essence, you can easily invest in multiple teams

[gritty briar]

I was saving the perma ones just in case

[lilac bloom]

i was essence grinding for my phys team icl

[gritty briar]

for the tiny chance that maybe they'll be useful

[peak void]

tryna max laevatain essence is bankrupting me

[lilac bloom]

i really need skill mats and exp

exp mats fucking suck though

[proud vector]

5/5/3 is good enough man it’s good enough

[tame sand]

when maxxing one essence you could just farm another operator's essence

[peak void]

theres a schizo way to get more char exp

[peak void]

i want the best

[tame sand]

and use the pity on your main one

[lilac bloom]

:( what is it

[peak void]

afk alluvium

[normal tangle]

takes one full week of ingame time to level up from 80->81

[tame sand]

you get max 10k exp on one character per day lol

[gritty briar]

you weren't lying when you said schizo

[peak void]

if u use 4 <lv60 ops, thats 40k exp a day (10k per op in the squad at time of combat)

[tame sand]

its really shizop

[peak void]

i wasnt lying

[gritty briar]

is it bad that i'm actually thinking about doing it?

[bronze plume]

yes

[gritty briar]

how much exp does an alluvium run give?

[peak void]

i cant answer that

[tame sand]

why dont you test it out and let us know

[peak void]

idk how much but it takes arnd 30 minutes to get the 10k

[gritty briar]

maybe i should start bringing my low levels with me to alluvium runs

[proud vector]

fuck it, even if it takes an hour all I have to do is click the button every now and again right

The towers will do the rest?

multi monitor YouTube relaxing time

[remote fern]

At this moment would you say the only wise investments are limited characters and standard 6 stars? As 4/5 will likely be replaced?

[neat snow]

You will have more materials by the time they get replaced

[normal tangle]

fortmaker in shop today for all you pogra peasants

[supple epoch]

Gilberta carrying that 2nd stage in agony 🤣

Bulls can be lifted

[bronze plume]

that is accurate

[supple epoch]

Makes playing laev there much more tolerable

[tame sand]

bulls can even be cc'ed with Gil's BS

pushing banner units smh

[lilac bloom]

i should just farm for whatever i need in the moment right

[peak void]

only if your setup is specifically tailored to accommodate afk

[bronze plume]

unless you for some reason care about what ifs in terms of powercreep

[proud vector]

😭 what do I need to do, make a wall?

[peak void]

instead of all offense towers, you replace 1 with healing and place thermal banks as walls (or pipe splitters/convergers in wuling)

[proud vector]

A chamber for gas?

[supple epoch]

It’s really just anti laev stage lol

Ardelia skill can miss

Ake skill can miss

Laev ult wastage

Laev skill can miss

🤣

[bronze plume]

mfw i just used the "normal" laev team and did it perfectly fine

[supple epoch]

Annoying time wasting bulls

[peak void]

the hub also needs 1 stun turret for the nidwyrm or else the heal tower cant keep up

[supple epoch]

It’s not that it’s difficult just not synergistic to her playstyle

[proud vector]

Don’t you also need to activate it

Wait what happens if I have multiple heals

[bronze plume]

i mean you can literally just dodge into them and profit

[peak void]

nidwyrm still wins

[proud vector]

Dayum

[peak void]

just do heal and stun

instead of 2 heal

i tried

[supple epoch]

That doesn’t change the fact that most of the teams kits can easily miss so you need to coordinate additionally in a way that wastes more time

[peak void]

as for everything else, u can experiment what combat turrets kill fastest

[bronze plume]

you can literally just run them into the wall stun and bam they are dead

sure its "harder" for laev to do it compare to teams with cc but it aint difficult if you know how to actually just use the enemies ai for yoself

[normal tangle]

mfw i have to use my brain instead of button mashing

[supple epoch]

We all saw it in the survey

[normal tangle]

saw what

[supple epoch]

The too much thinking answer

I guess not

lol

[gritty briar]

overwhelming burden of thinking

[supple epoch]

Yeah haha

[proud vector]

Such a good meme

[bronze plume]

the downfall of the average gacha player

critical thinking

soon

[proud vector]

TC thinks for those who cannot

[peak void]

me when free will

[dreamy maple]

how much arts u need on pog to achieve ful lbreech effect?

[normal tangle]

there is no "full" breach effect

the more arts, the higher it goes

there's no cap

[dreamy maple]

isnt it 40%?

[normal tangle]

no?

[dreamy maple]

the more the merrier then thx

[normal tangle]

typeshit

[proud vector]

Ooo where is this formula from

I must have the source

[bronze plume]

you can just check how much total you are doing in the attributes and stats screen

[proud vector]

To add to my collection

[normal tangle]

it's just the wiki lol

[proud vector]

Ak-en?

[normal tangle]

https://endfield.wiki.gg/wiki/Breach

[normal tangle]

67

[bronze plume]

jump

off a cliff

[normal tangle]

💔

[proud vector]

Thank

[dreamy maple]

good to know u can just see there, dint knew that

[distant python]

Diminishing returns go brrrr

[proud vector]

Is it actually diminishing returns

[normal tangle]

yes

[proud vector]

Let’s see here hmm

[normal tangle]

arts->infinity
multiplier->2

[proud vector]

Oh so it does

maffs was not maffing in my head

For some reason I parsed 2 as ^2 holy crap I’m cooked

[normal tangle]

the 2 value is just for 2x/x+b

[proud vector]

Yes I understand it and limit stuff

[normal tangle]

with all the +1 and flat values it might be whatever other thing

[proud vector]

I am just cooked

[normal tangle]

but yeah

[proud vector]

Real actual diminishing returns

What a rarity

[normal tangle]

what did bro think it was

[proud vector]

Again - brain parsed 2x as ^2 for

Idk

I can’t explain why brain did that big of a bad LOL

[normal tangle]

https://media.discordapp.net/attachments/1449942974019670066/1458462764501827644/JSBF_9XVATAAS7_YNB8HE.gif

it doesn't converge at infinity though

[proud vector]

Goddamnit

Brain explode

It would not have converged BEFORE infinity

I go away to kill brain

[normal tangle]

average #theorycrafting regular

[vestal sinew]

Does someone have a video showcasing the rotation used in the pinned guide for pog,lifeng,pan and chen?

[tame sand]

search any physical team fight

[wind nebula]

bro, ember agenda is peaking over here. they got Ember sheets but no Chen sheets https://datafield.cc/teams

[frozen tide]

They dont have a single laeva listing

And im pretty sure they weighed it with true infinite flawless no downtime cycle

Which is why lr is displayed so much worse than yvonne

Since lr needs a little bit of downtime from bosses doing weird things phase changes dodge sp etc

God knows if they accounted cancels

[stiff eagle]

Interesting that they replaced Chen with ember instead of lifeng

Some of the sets also look a little weird to me

[frozen tide]

How is there not a single laev listing tho

Like fr

[stiff eagle]

Maybe they got unlucky and didn’t roll her or smth

[midnight stirrup]

probably opportunity cost if i had to guess

idk tho

[frozen tide]

And im guessing they accounted ember cs being triggered on cd

[stiff eagle]

Probably

[frozen tide]

When everyone else is true infinite flawless dummy cycle

[stiff eagle]

Which is very optimistic

[frozen tide]

Optimistic

[midnight stirrup]

Btw

Schlong

[frozen tide]

Is a description

[midnight stirrup]

wait

[frozen tide]

I suppose

[midnight stirrup]

Schling

[frozen tide]

I call it not relevant for any in game usage

[frozen tide]

What

[midnight stirrup]

U pulling Rossi

[frozen tide]

No

Im broke from pulling berta

Gonna take me a while to save up

[midnight stirrup]

Youll be fine

[stiff eagle]

Just win the pulls

[bronze plume]

you only need 1 pull to get who you want

[stiff eagle]

It’s like… somewhat achievable on rhodogan besides when he’s staggered which is often

[frozen tide]

Whilst i think the little girl archetype is cute i like having hot girls on my team more

[midnight stirrup]

I wanna make a joke

But lemme not

[frozen tide]

I was referring moreso to the true infinite no downtime full cycle calc

[bronze plume]

you might catch a case with this one

[frozen tide]

Whar

[midnight stirrup]

Also

Im calling you schlong from now on

[frozen tide]

Im saying i like not little girls on my team

[midnight stirrup]

Ive been enlightened

[frozen tide]

If wording is bad its cause i got a fever

[midnight stirrup]

anyway

u on eu/na

[frozen tide]

????

Im na

[midnight stirrup]

ok so

gimme uid

ur the only one im still missing

[distant python]

https://tenor.com/view/svarog-bodies-clara-honkai-star-rail-gif-11946478635710655838

[midnight stirrup]

https://giphy.com/gifs/endfield-last-rite-d4wx9GXUBYYcPAic41

[midnight stirrup]

klee in genshit

[frozen tide]

Also im scrolling down

And i don't see a single non ember phys team

[midnight stirrup]

clara in hshitrail

[distant python]

https://tenor.com/view/clara-honkai-star-rail-bodies-svarog-gif-10057764814998479767

[frozen tide]

This website is just straight propaganda

[midnight stirrup]

rossi in arknights endshit

[frigid vector]

if datafield

the guys are struggling on having time to calc everything...

[distant python]

Must have sustain yep

[frigid vector]

especially if needing to do multiple team combinations

way too much shit to calc in this game

[frozen tide]

I just found it weird how they have every yvonne and ember variation but not a single normal phys comp or laev comp

[stiff eagle]

Ember propaganda going strong

[frozen tide]

Do you know if their assumption is true flawless infinite no downtime cycle?

[frigid vector]

I think they had laev? maybe it got taken down for it to be updated but it was there

I can ask but you can see the rotations in the sheet itself

[frozen tide]

I searched with include:laev

Had nothing

[frigid vector]

usually it's meant to be 1 cycle with the expectation that it can loop after I think

[midnight stirrup]

we moved from lr tc to ember tc?

[frigid vector]

https://datafield.cc/characters/Laevatain

it's legit right here

[frigid vector]

just click through to see the sheets

teams tab is weird

go to individual operators

then check the sheets for them

https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/1CJZLtcW1GtfrgDrwBVI1r5NGi9ZwA-H6-3B7M6H28Mg/edit?gid=2020005645#gid=2020005645

[frozen tide]

Am i missing smth

[frigid vector]

like alesh has his own tab/sheet

despite being used on yvonne

[frozen tide]

I don't know how or if it is possible to navigate theough datafield.cc

Oh top right

Im on mobile

[frigid vector]

oh

I have fuck all clue how it works on mobile

[frozen tide]

Which made the overlay a bit harder to understand but i figured it out

[frigid vector]

or if it's even mobile responsive

[midnight stirrup]

is datafield legit

[frigid vector]

aye

2 tcers I know are pretty solid for other games at least

[midnight stirrup]

word

ill use it for future ref then

[frigid vector]

ofc rotations aren't gonna be giga optimised but I try to let them know of stuff

like I think the yvonne one has some lin tabs from when I was sharing rotas lol

[quaint matrix]

wow phys team was 1000% easier in second room

[frigid vector]

I wouldn't really look at total team dps since that can vary wildly based on encounter

[quaint matrix]

stupid boars

[frigid vector]

but I think for stuff like

weapon comparison

[midnight stirrup]

crazy

[quaint matrix]

why did i even tried it with laev

[frigid vector]

skill level priority

set differences etc

[midnight stirrup]

how is last rite p5 only 1,3%

💀

how is p1 13,5%

[frigid vector]

@eternal blaze

[frozen tide]

The actual sheets(i only looked thru laev one briefly) looks solid the teams listing on website is just kinda weirdchamp but im sure itll get better with time

[frigid vector]

I mean from looking at p5

[jaunty verge]

Whys is there no teams for laev on data cc wth

[frigid vector]

its legit just x1.2 to her bskill

which does fuck all

these increases are over previous

don't look at teams

look at operators

[jaunty verge]

Ooh ok i see

[frigid vector]

but ye sheets are tied to the individual characters, teams tab is kind of a mess

[frozen tide]

P1 is 1.2x to ebs additional attack and p5 is 1.2x to ult btk

[frigid vector]

for last rite?

note that her mirage attack by default is weaker than snowshine's bskill, it's a really low mv

unless something I'm missing

[peak void]

@frozen tide i rmbr u asking abt the best low investment dijiang setup and heres what i got
all e1 unless stated otherwise, scales into e3+

rr
ardelia, estella e2, ake e2

op exp
laeva, xaihi, snowshine

wep exp
gilb, pog, arclight

growth (fungi)
yvonne, da pan, antal e2

growth (mineral)
fluorite, wulgard e2, chen e2

[frigid vector]

but I'd assume the calcs were done with that description in mind

it's p3 that boosts her ulti

[frozen tide]

Not sure if you were responding to me but i was talking about laev pot 1 and 5

[frigid vector]

oh

[frozen tide]

Aight thx

[blazing lake]

@rare rover did you get your trim

[frigid vector]

it was this

[blazing lake]

bro that 2nd stage agony is annoying af

[frozen tide]

Ic

[frigid vector]

thought you were talking about lr too mb

[frozen tide]

All good

[rare rover]

I havent logged on today yet

[halcyon lark]

wait till you see 3rd stage.

[blazing lake]

stage 3 was easy

[halcyon lark]

Thankfully yvonne made stage 2 easier to kite at least.

[peak void]

i actually e2'd estella just today

[blazing lake]

everything was easy

[peak void]

probs shouldve done that sooner

[blazing lake]

except stage 2

[halcyon lark]

stage 3 confuses me.

what exactly are the weakpoints?

[frozen tide]

Also where do i see what gear pieces are used for each pot rotation calc if it's somewhere obvious im prob just missing cause im mobile

[halcyon lark]

I keep shooting at the legs.

[peak void]

stage 3 just go behind and hit weak spot for funny HALF THE FKN BOSS HP damage

[frozen tide]

I can't really get out of bed cause im sick af

[blazing lake]

its the butt

[frozen tide]

[blazing lake]

when it glows red

[frigid vector]

it should be on individual sheet tabs

[blazing lake]

the butt gets explosed

[halcyon lark]

Ah

[peak void]

i was doing random shit then the boss hp randomly got cut in half

im like okay then

[frozen tide]

Found it

[midnight stirrup]

I killed final boss with perlica combo

I knew m1 was worth it

[halcyon lark]

Ill wait for a new pew pew limited unit...

that isn't called flourite.

[midnight stirrup]

Waiting for mid

[halcyon lark]

😂

[frozen tide]

Huh the default set is hot work chest glove kit with lynx slab

For all the calcs

[midnight stirrup]

Im saving for my queen now I got P2 Gilb

[frigid vector]

that was the on paper highest dps for lae on release

[midnight stirrup]

[normal tangle]

default endmin team is also ember so

[halcyon lark]

crazu P0 is enuf.

[frozen tide]

Also wulf is not using ult set

[midnight stirrup]

Anyway lemme stop flooding this chat with bs. Yall have fun tcing

[normal tangle]

keep a grain of salt in mind

[frigid vector]

hasn't been updated since

[frozen tide]

Wulf has 3x hot work

[jaunty verge]

120 pulls only p0 laev how

[dry kindle]

We fucking love crits

[normal tangle]

wulf dps 🔥

[frozen tide]

Both antal and ard use eternal xira

[halcyon lark]

you underestimate how unlucky folks can be...