theorycrafting

[frozen tide]

What does gv stand for

[unreal light]

sig

[twilit quail]

youre trying to say that I think it doesnt work for ult?

[unreal light]

especially it's passive

[frozen tide]

Oh grand vision

[twilit quail]

your reading comprehension is very poor

when I say "with gv"

that is inclusive

of the rest of the sentence

[unreal light]

You did not count it for ult for gods unknown reason

[twilit quail]

youre not reading what Im saying

whatever

[ashen scroll]

[hollow pine]

deym cinema is done alr?

[unreal light]

so where in that sentence is gv?

like you have yourself separated the use of cs in both sentences

[twilit quail]

a sentence can have more than one part

[unreal light]

and now blaming me for not understanding that you have included cs twcie

[twilit quail]

Im not sure why you assume ignorance from me

[unreal light]

but did not include gv twice

[twilit quail]

We've talked about these things many times before

of course it's inclusive why wouldnt it be

I suppose I must be clearer in my speech

[unreal light]

because you have included cs twice

[twilit quail]

and are the reasons why not obvious?

whatever

[glad niche]

Perfect opportunity to point out how writing
Multiple
Lines
For
One
Sentence
Is
Dumb

[unreal light]

because you have counted for 1800%

[neon cave]

i guess the better question to ask is

i have a skill that deals 10 Stagger
my arts intensity gives +20% Stagger
i have 20% Stagger Efficiency Bonus

how much stagger does the skill deal?

[unreal light]

how come 1400 x2 + 350 is 1800?

[dawn patrol]

i come back an tc is having a nothingburger argument

[twilit quail]

swordmancer is multiplicative with other stagger bonuses

[dry kindle]

average day

[dry kindle]

10

[unreal light]

so let me check this real quick, endmin's ulti has a 1400% multiplier, and his skill is 350%

and you're saying, you had not forgotten gv?

or you're saying gv buff is equeal to 50% atk?

[dawn patrol]

truly

[lime bear]

I can almost use the ult gain build

204

one more artifice on Tidefall

[frozen tide]

Its either that or tangent hornypost

[ashen scroll]

Ita not that bad

[dawn patrol]

i'd rather people hornypost than whatever this is icl

[twilit quail]

oh I guess I should also talk about ability routing when grand vision dupes start to go up

that does actually change

[frozen tide]

[unreal light]

so you have forgotten that gv works with ulti

what was that whole drama for?

you could have simply said "oh my bad" instead of breaking into insults to not lose a face or smth

[hollow pine]

[ashen scroll]

Here i tought " not losing face" is a sentence that only ppl use on materialarts manga XD

But i do agree he use insult alittle too quick

[wet merlin]

Heya, is it just me or does Gilberta feel not ready for today's roster but instead is gonna be better in the future? I feel like she's going to be the premium support for Zhuang Fangyi

[ashen scroll]

[unreal light]

she's perfect in the current event stage 2 tho

[wet merlin]

oh defo

[unreal light]

perchance not the today roster, but the content

[wet merlin]

but as individual, not really slotting into any team perfectly, but could just be me tbh

thinking of pulling her for the future

[unreal light]

you won't run her on solo target bosses like rhodagn and morai

[hollow pine]

tell me you're Asian without saying you are 😂

[unreal light]

but you def will if they add bosses like 2nd phase triaggelos

with scarabs, that you need to group and kill, to proceed

[ashen scroll]

[twilit quail]

you just have no idea what is actually going on here

gv doesnt change any multiplier

I mention it because it is relevant for ability routing

whether you want to use cs on ult or bs

[ashen scroll]

I just never heard them irl or outside chineae drama lol

[twilit quail]

Yes Im insulting you

[open hare]

Degenbrecher

[twilit quail]

Im also far more knowledgeable about this when you are being obtuse on what I can only assume to be on purpose

[unreal light]

for what reason

[open hare]

https://tenor.com/view/arknights-degenbrecher-nova-kirby-run-running-gif-1285302598458607349

[unreal light]

I suppose you can explain something you protect

[twilit quail]

because there is another layer to this that you have completely failed to account for

[unreal light]

and if you throw out insults, it means that you cannot

[twilit quail]

you dont even know what the multipliers are

[open hare]

@twilit quail go back to team build smh

[hollow pine]

oh you'd most likely hear or experience them if you've been on mainland Chinese groups/ pure ones. Some communities in SG/TW/HK have that kind of behaviours/mindset as well

[unreal light]

and you don't even know what gv does

we're on par here

but I don't come and insult you

[twilit quail]

.

[frozen tide]

[twilit quail]

.

[frozen tide]

Ts kinda funny

[ashen scroll]

In my experience its almost as rare as "courting dead"

[twilit quail]

I mention gv, because gv affects the optimal ability routing here

but youre not aware of that

[drifting quest]

More tc drama

[twilit quail]

of course it doesnt affect the multipliers

of course it works on both

[open hare]

Go back to team build instead of starting drama here gang

[twilit quail]

why do you think Im saying the opposite

[unreal light]

of course you only mentioned it once

[open hare]

Both of you stfu rq

[drifting quest]

Id rather not go to team build

[dire nymph]

rather see ember arguments

[open hare]

Not you

[dawn patrol]

here's why p5 ember will save your team

[unreal light]

you're comparing multipliers and forgetting the thing that buffs your multiplier up to twice

cool

[dire nymph]

guys is ember bis

[open hare]

Hot red head

[unreal light]

crush is stronger fr fr

[drifting quest]

[unreal light]

who doens't agree is utterly stupid

[open hare]

Here's why degenbrecher is the hottest

[outer ermine]

[unreal light]

for I know all

[open hare]

https://tenor.com/view/nova-kirby-arknights-degenbrecher-degen-run-gif-17108009424549421128

[rich linden]

Chat whats the best place to farm the red tubes for talent mastery?

Proto space or deepdive

[dawn patrol]

i just farm rhod

[drifting quest]

Protocol space not recrisis

[dawn patrol]

it's quic kand east

[ashen scroll]

Ember actualy good since the game direction more to add more and more enemies damage than its healthb

[twilit quail]

bs 350% swordmancer 250% both gain gv benefit

[dawn patrol]

REALLY

[twilit quail]

bs ult is more damage

[hollow pine]

lmao. I always love hearing my wife's friends argue. You literally see them shouting @ each other while an inch away from kissing each other while salivas raining at each other's face 😂😂

[rich linden]

It gives more i g?

[drifting quest]

Recrisis is less per sanity

[twilit quail]

than ult bs

[rich linden]

Bet

[dawn patrol]

damn that's crazy

[rich linden]

Thamks

[dawn patrol]

i just kill rhod bc it's quick and easy

wild

[twilit quail]

and the more pots you have on grand vision the bigger this difference becomes

[ashen scroll]

[twilit quail]

bs is 923.475% * 2.19 for 2022

on top of the other things

cs bs ult is strictly better than cs ult bs(when there is no link), and the difference only gets bigger with gv dupes

[ashen scroll]

Wait does ember shield negate the new mode poison mist?

[hollow pine]

so "courting death" is really rare unless ya really both are in it to be on bad blood xD

[twilit quail]

and that is why it's mentioned

[ashen scroll]

[twilit quail]

If you dont have a response to this(and I know you dont) we can call it here

[rich linden]

Oh you get 6 in proto space

Pog

[twilit quail]

you used to get 3

[rich linden]

Sadge

[manic blade]

Meow

[frozen tide]

Oh does gv only apply strictly to the skill mult itself

Not the status and bonuses

[twilit quail]

the doc explains this

[frozen tide]

I was confused cause i misread gv

I thought it activated when you consume crystals

Not when you apply

Gv effect dissapears after all the dmg

Makes sense that cs bs ult is better

[lime bear]

it's more efficient, proto 13.33 san/material while recrisis is 15 san/material

[frozen tide]

Gv buff is way stronger than talent

[gritty olive]

What should my stagger rotation for laev vs marble

If its needed i could probanly wait for my sp bar to go up to around 300

[hidden lantern]

Umbral Monument was nice. Cleared it already on Agony and got trimmed medal, I don't mind it being relatively easy compared to the prospect of having to whale hard to finish and trim it

Just p0 Laevatain and p0 signature weapon, but basically max everything else. Gimp team of lvl60 Ardelia, Gilberta, and lvl29 Wulfguard

Just means that at least for this season in first half of Umbral Monument, Laevatain's mad AoE dmg is very effective along with strong ST dmg

[mortal trellis]

does anyone have calcs on how arts intensity affects breach dmg amp? (and just the numbers for base breach dmg amp)

[dry kindle]

https://endfield.wiki.gg/wiki/Breach

[mortal trellis]

oh is it just on there

i swear it wasn't there last week

maybe im crazy

[hidden lantern]

iirc it doesn't have anything to do with arts (arts intensity, I meant) unless it or the other is used as a kit mechanic

It's basically physical only

[mortal trellis]

arts intensity

not arts damage

[hidden lantern]

Right, I meant that

[mortal trellis]

well

it does

so

uh

[hidden lantern]

I see, that's very misleading lol. Got this from AI to supplement~~

Reaction/Status Damage: It directly boosts the damage of Arts Bursts (e.g., Heat/Corrosion) and Reactions (e.g., Combustion).
Effect Enhancement: Contrary to its name, it enhances the effectiveness of statuses like Breach, Electrification, and Corrosion.
Stagger: It increases the stagger inflicted by [Lift] and [Knock Down].
Damage Amplification: High Arts Intensity can significantly amplify damage—for instance, 200 Arts Intensity can turn a 4-stack Breach/Electrification into a ~43% damage amplification, up from the base 24%~~

[mortal trellis]

AI?

[hidden lantern]

Idk how accurate it is, since it's AI, but 200 Arts Intensity = ~43% dmg amp for a "4-stack" Breach, up from 24%

[mortal trellis]

[hidden lantern]

That's almost double so seems like 200 is nearly upping by 100% if correct

Yeah, nevermind, like you said the formula for Arts Intensity affecting Breach was right on the page

[mortal trellis]

how about we just

dont use ai

to do math

[river scroll]

you don't use AI for game mechanic on new game. AI can't copy paste from anyone yet, because that info didn't exist

[river scroll]

more like that is the only source of formula. so they copy it from that page

[mortal trellis]

dont even use it for old game

you ask ai what wisadel is in arknights and itll tell you she's a 5* hookmaster

[hidden lantern]

So the secret sauce in Endfield is giving amp units lots of arts intensity and having rest of team go to town?

[river scroll]

ye

[mortal trellis]

not just amp units

arts intensity also buffs crush

so da pan also wants a shit ton of arts intensity

[river scroll]

even kids playing genshit isn't dum enough to rely on AI

[mortal trellis]

it also affects lift and knock down but they're not nearly as impactful

[twilit quail]

it's legitimately very fun to speculate on how the game is going to change next patch I think, it's been a while since Ive been excited in this kinda way about a game

[dry kindle]

pleasedontbemoregearpleasedontbemoregearpleasedontbemoregear

[frozen tide]

Please be more gear

[twilit quail]

no but we do actually need more gear

[frozen tide]

So i can get more int on xaihi

🔥

[dry kindle]

please at least let us max wuling if you drop more gear

[eternal ruin]

.roadmap

[crystal coral]

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/956086663447207956/1468631838695100592/my-toughts-after-100h-as-a-brand-new-gacha-player-v0-bqokg61ag3hg1.png?ex=6984b97c&is=698367fc&hm=1d9878061e5afb7ee7e2e8962a56f98397918e0aac3faa4bb9fe78c44e44697e&

[frozen tide]

Im hoping every char in 1.1 is dogshit

Since I've burned every pull

[hidden lantern]

Or let us keep pumping prosperity because you know it's going to raise prosperity cap when main story is expanded

[dawn patrol]

just waiting to see if rossi is a heat vg atp

[dry kindle]

rossi mifu and fangyi:

[frozen tide]

Some of them might be 1.2

Pre sure tang tang gon be 1.1

[twilit quail]

it's probably 2 chars a patch

tbh

[frozen tide]

And besides im sure we'll get a dedicated cryo 6* supp soon

[twilit quail]

cause there's 3 different opacities for the characters in the preview they showed on stream

[frozen tide]

[dry kindle]

[frozen tide]

[outer ermine]

[dawn axle]

what's the best and most space saving way to build a uhhh xiranite factory? or am i asking this in the wrong channel?

[dawn patrol]

holy shit index nursefather yi sang

[dawn patrol]

#1461542035617091681

[dawn axle]

oh thanks!

[dawn patrol]

or #aic-factory ig

[outer ermine]

cryo+crit 6* supp for yvonne lr

[frozen tide]

I wouldn't even be mad if we got a yvonne supp

Shes so ass

[ionic hollow]

does Crush damage increases with the atk stat?

[frozen tide]

Arts Burst/Reaction/Physical Status Damage Formula:
Effect Base multiplier × (0.5 + (Stack Count × 0.5)) × Level Multiplier × (1+ (Arts Intensity/100)) *
(ATK * DMG% * Stagger * Susceptibility * Amplification * DMG Taken% * Res * Def)

[heady pine]

arts intensity

[ionic hollow]

thanks

[outer ermine]

theyd have to try hard to make it not compatible w lr

https://tenor.com/view/meme-our-now-gif-21036569

just no gil ult bullshit

[ionic hollow]

i know, but i was wondering if increasing Endmint atk would be useless

[frozen tide]

Just make them cdmg based with a bit of general cryo supp

Lr can't make use of cdmg for shit outside screenshots

[outer ermine]

crit lr timeline if laev can do it, surely lr

[torn wolf]

R u guys m3ing ardelia skill

[hidden lantern]

Idk, they always find a way

[frozen tide]

Laevs crit thingy is atk percent bonus wearing a crit trenchcoat

[unreal light]

feel free to check this out yourself

I have even included stasis into both SM and Crush, and if they don't get buffed by that, the difference grows from 20% to 31%

[hidden lantern]

They can even resort to just making a new unique effect and explicitly saying it's not for Last Rite

[frozen tide]

That'd piss me off

Highkey

[summer flower]

LR is just ice right?

So do Duo element without ice or physicial

[frozen tide]

Lr is massive multiplier mono cryo

With amplifying susc

[tranquil burrow]

Tangtang premium cryo + phys support and Rossi heat vanguard, you heard it here first

[outer ermine]

how do u have leaf btw wtf can u get that shit or smt

[summer flower]

?

[frozen tide]

Can't imagine tangtang being cryo but maybe

[tranquil burrow]

Her pistols will have ice bullets surely

[frozen tide]

Its a purchase role

[tranquil burrow]

or something idk

[unreal light]

how come

[tranquil burrow]

agenda

[unreal light]

ahh oke oke

[outer ermine]

dem 10k pts

[unreal light]

let tangtang be 6*

and mi fu 5*

not the other way around

[tranquil burrow]

I'm about 70% confident everyone will be 6*

[unreal light]

so do you have a responce? or we call it here

#theorycrafting message

[frozen tide]

Mf loves to bonk me for anything

[frozen tide]

What does sm stand for

[unreal light]

Swordmancer set

[frozen tide]

And this is assuming cs pre sequence?

[drifting quest]

What assumptions

[unreal light]

oh yes sorry, it's written above in the doc

[drifting quest]

What enemy, stagger? What team? Debuffs? Investment?

[frozen tide]

Ngl im not downloading allat

[drifting quest]

Potentials?

[frozen tide]

Would check it out if it was a shared doc

Got one discord acc hacked alr

[unreal light]

ahhh ok will redo into google sheets

not a prob

[frozen tide]

👍

[willow blade]

should i spend 2480AT for clannibal for wolf (leavi+sig, p5akekuri+bis, p3wolf+obj, p1ardelia+sig) or is obj better? (currently have 22620AT)

[unreal light]

Investment 90/90 9/9/9

12% susc from Lifeng, 24% from breach

the enemy, stagger does not matter, as it will multiply both outcomes

[frozen tide]

And what did you have gv applied to in the calculation

For example if bs first

Did you have it apply to initial bs multiplier, crush, and crystal pop?

[drifting quest]

9/9/4 p0?

Artificing?

[unreal light]

p5 9/9/9

[drifting quest]

Oh that wasnt skills

M3?

[frozen tide]

Arts intensity might matter a lot for outcome

[unreal light]

yes, I'll send a link to google sheet once I've done the porting

[frozen tide]

Aight

[drifting quest]

Thermite or fortmaker

[unreal light]

yup

[drifting quest]

And hence how much intensity on pog

Pog ult up?

[unreal light]

that will apply the same multipliers to both

outcomes

[drifting quest]

Link included?

[unreal light]

nope, iana wanted link excluded

[drifting quest]

Id need to check what other mult dont impact

[unreal light]

correct me anytime

[drifting quest]

Since crush doesnt get benefits from every source

[barren crypt]

imo she's amazing for avywenna team

[drifting quest]

Ill give the damage doc a reskim when my bus arrives

Snowing too hard to try now

[valid zealot]

Happy friday.

[drifting quest]

It is not happy

[valid zealot]

Friday.

[frozen tide]

Damn where u live

[drifting quest]

Br*tain

[frozen tide]

For it to snow like that in Feb

Wtf

[valid zealot]

My condolences.

[drifting quest]

Real

[frozen tide]

If you and chen fought in a sword fight who'd win

[gritty olive]

Is there a consistent way for marble to not fly

When i stagger them for the first time

[valid zealot]

Aye Morb on journey to trimmed 3 bosses.

[gritty olive]

Marble is just

[drifting quest]

Chen would beat my ass even if I had a sword and she didnt

[gritty olive]

Plan is to use ard sus and double ebs during stagger phase but its quite clunky

Then like save a lot of sp to break marble asap when shes getting up

[frozen tide]

Damn bro i thought british people were goated with knives

[drifting quest]

Restagger

[frozen tide]

That's what instagram told me

[gritty olive]

Restagger up to first node correct

[drifting quest]

Depends where you live

[gritty olive]

Ive been pourign eberything

[drifting quest]

If you just hit every node you can perma stagger but thats swordmancer gaming

Non phys is kinda

Cry about it

[gritty olive]

Alr have a 258 but cant replicate

[cosmic stump]

I tested it for Perlica and if you use 3 pieces of Pulsar Chest/Kit/Kit + Lvl 50 Miner T2 gloves with the +13% Attack, she clears Rhodagan about 12-14% faster, which makes it seem like those gloves simply add +13% more damage onto all her electric attacks after other calcuations

compared to using 4 pulsar

[frozen tide]

Uhh

Why do those purple gloves give 13 percent atk lmfao

[sterile patrol]

purple gear gives a bunch

[valid zealot]

Omg it's guba

[frozen tide]

New akekuri kit just dropped

[drifting quest]

Whats the sheeted damage
'I cleared x% faster' is too easy to differ based on rotation, dodging, boss attack, etc

[frozen tide]

[cosmic stump]

once you start etching your gear, it pulls away and you shouod replace the lvl 50 purple gloves, and use Pulsar Chest/Kit/Pulsar gloves, then swap a Pulsar kit for a Lynx kit

[sterile patrol]

Ye I calcd purple gear for funsies a while back but artificing mogs it

[cosmic stump]

it boosts the INT higher and that damage outdoes the 13% once the Pulsar gloves +electric gets etched

[drifting quest]

How much intensity do you lose

[cosmic stump]

or artificed whatever its called

[drifting quest]

Since pulser perlica is always more buff based than personal dps

I think someone said rainbow perlica wins at high invest

For personal dps

[twilit quail]

there are many errors here, two wrong multipliers, application of talent 2 at several wrong points in calculation, no accounting for talent 1 boost that swordmancer and BS damage would receive

[cosmic stump]

killed Rhodagan about 20 times to he phased, using same moveset. basic attack thru final strike, then use skill attack, combo, ult, skill and he phases. Times were calculated... difference was 1:15 second down to :52 seconds

[twilit quail]

just to start

where is the sheeted damage

it means nothing if this isnt sheeted

purple gear

[cosmic stump]

average was fastest 52-58 seconds for the +13% gear, with 4 Pulsar it was average around 1:10

[tough coral]

hellooo~~ should i raise my pog team or should i raise electro team while waiting for ZFY

[cosmic stump]

Im not here for spreadsheets, I dont care enough, jus tsharing what I found out for the past 2 hours

[twilit quail]

I mean I would believe you if you said slab was the way to go for solo

[cosmic stump]

test it yourself, make a pair lvl 50 gloves and test it yourself

[twilit quail]

if it isnt backed by sheeting there isnt really much point

[tough coral]

i have a p1 pog

[cosmic stump]

dohnt care aobut sheeting lol

sheeting to me = shittying

[unreal light]

https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/1NFENqA35ys5D-qgaC8WLD8JtRC1Km8SDstcR4gFzXxY/edit?usp=sharing

[twilit quail]

well there you go

[drifting quest]

Testing in game is ehhhh
Its valid and something to consider but its too prone to error if used alone

[unreal light]

everything actually is sheeted

[twilit quail]

that question was not for you...

[unreal light]

so you're saying, that they receive both talent 1 and gv at the same time?

[drifting quest]

Is the phys damage being applied to crush

[frozen tide]

It mostly comes down to 24.9 percent ele dmg vs 13 percent atk on perlica

[drifting quest]

Mobile sucks ass

[frozen tide]

The int is similar

Tho will is high on pulsar

[drifting quest]

Comparing intensity more valuable

[frigid vector]

tbh every sheet should eventually be backed up by in-game testing, if the calc numbers don't add up or the rotation isn't real (like not accounting for hitstop on attacks, etc.) it all falls apart

just that pure in-game clear times aren't the perfect measure due to variance

[cosmic stump]

Here ya go, your "sheet"

[drifting quest]

Since that buffs everyones damage

Average anti tc in tc

[frozen tide]

I thought their argument was miner t2 better than pulsar gloves

[unreal light]

it also seems that you don't point out exactly what were the wrong points to apply the talent 2

[drifting quest]

It's so over

[drifting quest]

Unless they said perlica solo somewhere I missed intensity matters for team damage

[cosmic stump]

ya, the gloves are simply more damage output with Perlica with non-upgraded gear

[summer flower]

Ehh

Why Basic not buffed?

[frozen tide]

Pulsar gloves do not give intensity

[summer flower]

Basic on perlica is electric

[twilit quail]

If Grand Vision is equipped and Endmin:
a) Uses Battle Skill
a1) Consumes Crystals
a2) Crystal consumption & Crush damage is dealt
a3) Enemy's damage taken modifier disappears
a4) Talent 1 is triggered
a5) Battle Skill & Swordmancer damage are dealt
a6) Grand Vision effect disappears
b) Uses Ultimate
b1) Consumes Crystals
b2) Crystal consumption, Ultimate, and additional Ultimate damage are dealt
b3) Enemy's damage taken modifier disappears
b4) Talent 1 is triggered
b5) Grand Vision effect disappears

[willow blade]

for ardelia because her skill say sus but her sig does not just says dmg taken and xiran just saying dmg buff

so 28% sus(p1 skillm3) x 16% from 4/4sig x 16% from xiran = 1.28*1.16*1.16 = 1.722368 = 72ish% dmg buff?

[twilit quail]

there are a lot of mistakes made by just multiplying it all together

too many to count

[drifting quest]

Are we including like aether gloves too in checks

Inten v dmg v atk

3 gloves

[summer flower]

like this is awful

Perlica is pure electric

Basics are affected

[twilit quail]

also where is swordmancer flint +phys%

[summer flower]

How hard it is to understand

[frozen tide]

Brohamster im just trynna see which would be better for personal dmg which is consistent with the og argument to start with between pulsar gloves and t2

[twilit quail]

where is BS multiplier at all

[cosmic stump]

best DPS gloves for an INT user that already has their 3 piece matched with other slots

[drifting quest]

Something something personal damage mimimi

[frozen tide]

[summer flower]

Nice

I see my reseach Has spread

I have purple gear on DPS ember

[frozen tide]

We can first determine whether t2 or pulsar gloves is better then move on to the more complicated one

[unreal light]

oh look I've changed that according to your message and your rotation still sucks ass by a whopping 13%
https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/1NFENqA35ys5D-qgaC8WLD8JtRC1Km8SDstcR4gFzXxY/edit?gid=0#gid=0

[drifting quest]

Depends on team

[mortal trellis]

maybe hot take but i feel like both should fact check each other
sheets are faster and easily adjusted but might not be practical cause of rng or mechanical demand
in-game testing is realistic and proven (in terms of avg times or stuff) but can easily be impacted by the skill of the player
the game isn't super deterministic unless youre just insta-staggering or one shotting bosses before they start doing rng stuff so idk, but i could just be wrong

[frozen tide]

Which boils down mostly to 13 percent atk vs 25 percent ele dmg boost

[drifting quest]

Thermite? Stanza? Dmg% buffs? Arclight talent? Food?

[dry kindle]

me questioning if im bored enough to check this vs slab or not

[cosmic stump]

The Pulsar gloves look good on paper, but Perlica is already getting +Electric Damage from other perks, so the amount you get from the gloves is diluted, bu the +13% attack is unique to her build, so it has more impact

[twilit quail]

where are you getting this from

[drifting quest]

Yes you make use of both
Each alone has flaws
If you have to choose only one then sheets are better due to it being impartial so long as it's sheeted right

[twilit quail]

i assume it was gv

but gv p0 is 57.6

[drifting quest]

P5 gv

[mortal trellis]

ye if i only had to choose one i'd probably also choose sheets cause its easier to lay out a bunch of scenarios and go test the ones that are most likely to yield good results

[frozen tide]

I understand that atk percent is generally more valuable which is why i am not dismissing the argument

[twilit quail]

p5 gv is more than 100%

[unreal light]

the fuck gv does not add phys stat
outside of it's passive

[frozen tide]

I just dunno how the math would actually pan out

It would depend on a lot of things

[drifting quest]

Thermite arclight? Stanza gilb? What talents are active with what uptimes?

[cosmic stump]

honestly it is way too strong for the amount of %, its almost one of those stats that you need SOMEWHERE on your gear, but when its levl 50 and you cant upgrade it it falls behind

[drifting quest]

[mortal trellis]

mm i eat popcorn and watch

[twilit quail]

and the bs multiplier is still missing

you suck at this

icl

[twilit quail]

yes what does that say

physical dmg dealt?

[woven cradle]

I genuinely think it's near impossible to take everything into account to be definitive about any result, too many variables some of which you can't calculate

[twilit quail]

in %?

[unreal light]

you can't be that dumb

[drifting quest]

We're pretty accurate with sheeting now, within a dof or two for most rots

Or std dev rather

Not dof

[twilit quail]

I misread it on mobile that's on me

[cosmic stump]

solo perlica, just her own abilities with her gear and weapon

[twilit quail]

ok now where is the bs multiplier

[drifting quest]

Solo? Sure
First I think you mentioned this is only for solo, mb if not

[frozen tide]

Oh oblivion

Makes sense

[drifting quest]

All this time I've been assuming normal team normal gameplay not a solo run

[unreal light]

in the spreadsheet

[twilit quail]

ult plus crystals is also not 1400%

bs is not 400

[dry kindle]

🔥

[twilit quail]

cs is

[frozen tide]

Perlica oblivion is good for high investment electro

[drifting quest]

It is

[unreal light]

yes it is

[twilit quail]

you are missing bs damage entirely

[woven cradle]

Thing even if everything is correct on clear numbers how sre you going to calculate the differences between different sp-usage in battle, especially when so many buffs like battle skill damage, arts intensity and ult recharge depend on manual decisions that will never be consistent and are too many to properly compare

[unreal light]

yeah, that's on me, I've started with cs counting and later removed cs but forgot to remove it's multiplier

[flint trail]

What and how much exactly does Link buff the next skill by?

[twilit quail]

ult plus crystals is effectively 1800% because crystals damage turns into ult type damage

and doesnt benefit from combo% bonus

[drifting quest]

Calcs account for everything but misplays (manual decisions)

[twilit quail]

and it is more correct to just say it is 1800% in ult dmg

[cosmic stump]

ya tons of mainstat boost and the 13% attack, she prolly hits like a truck

[drifting quest]

30% if 1 link stack

[unreal light]

that even further proves my point

[dry kindle]

this is ass its just funny

[dry kindle]

ult is 20%

[frozen tide]

Calcs do not account for solar radiation flares hitting hg server room pcs

[drifting quest]

'Next skill'

[woven cradle]

You can't calculate every single instance of different sp usage, maybe the few rotations you think are optimal but you have no idea if some other stupid shit actually works better

[drifting quest]

Again it accounts for everything but misplays

[elder skiff]

Ult uses Link asw, like when you ult Laev after Ake’s ult it uses up the stack

[cosmic stump]

what is her INT at with that setup

[dry kindle]

[twilit quail]

also what piece is in hands slot

[unreal light]

doesn't matter

[twilit quail]

if it is aether

you get intensity

yes it matters

[drifting quest]

I know
If they asked generically or for ult I would have mentioned it

[twilit quail]

if it is ult dmg% you need to account for that

[woven cradle]

My guy you have 4 different characters to choose from to use your sp on and huge amount of possible team combinations

[twilit quail]

what do you mean it doesnt matter

[dry kindle]

idk im not maxing slabs to find out

[undone phoenix]

dayom

[unreal light]

Well that would even further prove my point

that ult into crash is stronger than your rotation

[drifting quest]

Im aware
Does not mean all 4 are an option every time you choose to skill
You wouldnt pog skill with 0 vuln stacks

[twilit quail]

you havent accounted for these things though

if you run ult dmg% hands yes sure it is probably more

[frozen tide]

Why is it blue

[shut cobalt]

is it worth it selecting exemplar for da pan? since he deals nearly 50% of the team dmg

[twilit quail]

but with aethertech which is higher total damage currently

[frozen tide]

Like violently blue

[twilit quail]

the situation will be different

[dry kindle]

[drifting quest]

Prob not

But maybe

[twilit quail]

what I said was

[shut cobalt]

wdym, thats REALLY vague

[dry kindle]

no shit sheeting vibe timelines doesnt work

[twilit quail]

ignoring other multiplicative zones

[frigid vector]

I mean it doesn't account for enemy behaviour too, since you can end up having a rotation on a sheet but then you try it in practice and keep getting smacked out of it, so one needs to fall back on a "sub-optimal" rotation

[twilit quail]

cs bs ult is better

[unreal light]

yeah, but in result it's weaker

[twilit quail]

but if you take ult dmg% that would of course change it

[frozen tide]

Is enemy behavior even full rng can't you condition them

[frigid vector]

and ofc it does need to be sheeted correctly, like until recently the issue with lae swap ebs not pausing timers

[dry kindle]

fund my slabs so i can get funny number

[unreal light]

that doesn't matter

[twilit quail]

and with the current highest damage set, which has aethertech hands

[frigid vector]

but then I've seen sheets that didn't account for that since it wasn't labbed in game

[twilit quail]

again it is different

[frigid vector]

or timestop mechanics for gilb vuln stack building etc

[twilit quail]

it absolutely matters

[unreal light]

feel free to prove

[drifting quest]

We still have rots and sheets for subpar rotations though
Granted I can concede I'm being a bit 1d
But their point is about vibes based driving making sheets less valuable

[unreal light]

I've done the sheeting

[twilit quail]

this should be quite simple no?

if you use ult dmg%

the big ult hit will be better

[unreal light]

of course it will

[twilit quail]

if you have intensity

the crush will be better

[unreal light]

of course it will

[twilit quail]

and the intensity set is more total damage currently

now this is all a departure

from what I originally said

[frigid vector]

theory crafting is always just theory, at the end it's gotta be backed up by practice, but ofc just going off anecdotal in game results always isn't gonna work out

[twilit quail]

which is that if we DISREGARD OTHER MULTIPLICATIVE ZONES

[cosmic stump]

=

[twilit quail]

which is what we were discussing just a moment ago

then cs bs ult is correct

[drifting quest]

Huh only 3900

[twilit quail]

however if you like to use ult dmg% hands

[drifting quest]

I wouldve expected higher

[twilit quail]

of course you should do ult first

that would make sense

[shut cobalt]

? @drifting quest

[woven cradle]

Have you calculated every other possible combination and know that to be true? It sure as hell seems counterintuitive to me to be funneling all of your vulnerability stacks into pog to consume unless he's your main dps which afaik he's not.

[twilit quail]

but with aethertech which is overall better currently

bs first is the way to go

[cosmic stump]

=

[twilit quail]

now again this is not what I was saying in the first place

[drifting quest]

Dapan is up to maybe get dropped as soon as 1.1
Box is valuable
Canal is decently good still

[twilit quail]

I was not actually saying at all

that you should always do cs bs ult with all sets

[cosmic stump]

2 slabs the lvl 50 miner gloves and the pulsar chest gives her 4660 attack rating

[twilit quail]

but that it is worth considering bs before ult

[shut cobalt]

i'll just save then, thanks

[twilit quail]

and that ult first is not always correct

the best set currently using intensity and thus benefitting from bs first is an example of this

[drifting quest]

Pog consuming vuln applies breach, breach buffs future damage
Every rotation? No but we dont need to. We can disregard any objectively bad ones at a glancw

[twilit quail]

now that we have cleared that up could we both move on

Im making dinner with my cousin

[twilit quail]

we more or less have yeah

this is the obvious winner after breach buffs when we have the uptime

[frozen tide]

What u making

[frigid vector]

depends, some parts are scripted (rho jump early, rho explosion and jump late, jump after 2nd phase transition... or triaggelos add summon post branches, etc) but others are roll random - whether or not axeman goes into an interruptable attack is pretty rng

[gritty olive]

Food

[twilit quail]

a lot of stuff

[woven cradle]

Tell that to league meta, one of the most competitive games out there, most players on it and stupid shit gets discovered and nerfed all the time because you simply can't calculate everything. Admit that your calculations are only between the most POPULAR teams and playstyles and move on

[outer ermine]

holy share pls

[frozen tide]

In like bloodborne most bosses can be hard "trained" to do weird stuff over and over and even in games like elden ring some bosses can get force looped into sequences

[drifting quest]

Please dont strawman

[woven cradle]

What argument of yours did I twist into something that it isn't

[frigid vector]

I mean you can try and bait attacks but whether or not you get rho to do sidestep or aoe explosion in the opener is pure chance

rng manipulation is always a core component of speedruns for consistency

but you can't like... control whether or not a triaggelos add decides to fuck around and chase after your teammate

[frozen tide]

I was just wondering what degree of boss training is possible in endfield

[outer ermine]

oh god moveset chasing good fucking times in wuwa

[frigid vector]

you can force some attacks but they aren't necessarily optimal

[frozen tide]

Cause in games albeit usually older like bb you can just hard fuck with bosses ais

[valid zealot]

You are Chinese right.

[drifting quest]

Comparing an entirely different game in an entirely different genre that gets active balance changes to try suggest it impacts this situation is just insane

[frigid vector]

like rho will do the shoulder charge chase into explosion punch if you're far

[woven cradle]

All calculations are done with theoretical perfect scenario in mind, it's impossible otherwise

[twilit quail]

I am

[frigid vector]

but you're better off not doing that since it's better to just stay up close

and rho is relatively scripted as a fight anyways

[frozen tide]

Fraudagan

[frigid vector]

I mean calcs don't need to be perfect, if they have a rotation is should at least be a sort of aggregate of what's possible

so long as a calc doesn't claim to be absolutely objective to the truth and is open that it's theory then I see no issue and is a good springboard to actually try things in game

[valid zealot]

Happy (early) new year.
(Kinda weird sending this in English isn't it)

[twilit quail]

everything has to operate around what is best on paper

[woven cradle]

Okay you've got no idea what a strawman is please look it up before mentioning it again. As long as you don't accaount for all team combinations and rotations you have no idea if your "optimal" ones are the best because your "objectively stupid shit" is not a thing that exists when doing actual research of any kind

[twilit quail]

we literally have accounted for everything in the case of pog breach though

it's like obviously the best when you have uptime

and we should try to do it whenever possible

[frigid vector]

like you can calc dps pog vs arts intensity pog, see a clear difference and then hop in game to see if it really turns out to be the case and calcs help explore different avenues

[woven cradle]

Yeah see, this is the correct reply

[flint trail]

Do Vulnerability stacks only affect SP generation and duration of Pog skill not effect buff on breach?

[frigid vector]

vuln stacks affect buff

[frozen tide]

It does effect

[woven cradle]

All calculations are theoretical and anyone claiming otherwise has no idea what they're doing

[frigid vector]

which is in part why it's such a ridiculously good skill

[woven cradle]

They may or may not be practically easy to pull off or not

[frigid vector]

I mean they are, but there's both points here, calcs are a very clear way to establish if something should or shouldn't be better

[frigid vector]

ultimately the game itself is just a fancy formula

the problem is that if you've got a timeline it won't be perfect, but it doesn't need to be

[drifting quest]

If you want to redirect this into an argument about strawman fallacies sure we can

But you dont seem that open to anything you dont believe in, on either front

[twilit quail]

I do think it's better to treat this game like an MMO in this sense

we have our optimal timeline and then we try to approximate it as best we can in-instance

[bitter nebula]

this is based off the stack consumed?

[frozen tide]

Ye

[twilit quail]

we will rarely be able to do the optimal but it still has value

[frigid vector]

I think it's fair to acknowledge that no timeline calc is going to account for everything perfectly (is it accouting for timestops on every skill? what about overlaps? did it consider bugs like lae's ebs issue we had? what about enemy behaviour? does it consider AI dmg contribution? etc.), so it won't always be the absolute truth, but the game is fundamentally based on a formula that can be calculated around

[flint trail]

Rip, would it be better to
4 Breach + 3 Crush or 3 Breach + 4 Crush

[frigid vector]

aye

[woven cradle]

I'm just telling you not to claim the current meta teams you've got in mind aren't the definitive best or at least it won't stay that way as the game grows, I think that's you not being open about what you call "stupid shit" not me

[twilit quail]

3 breach 4 crush is generally more liked for short timeline in practice

[frozen tide]

Check pinned sheet phys section

[drifting quest]

No shit the best thing will change as we get new things

[frigid vector]

it's fair to claim it's the best that we know of, there's been constant changing over the past few weeks

I think there's always an implicit

"that we know of/at the moment" with any of these that doesn't need to be said out loud

something else can be better, just gotta come with the results

[woven cradle]

Yeah you just either can't understand me or don't want to, might be my fault no idea

[twilit quail]

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/711208910459109466/1444956834715795466/ezgif-299169b000439238.gif

[woven cradle]

No need to turn it into a discussion you said strawman and described ad hominem (wait a bit my bad definitely not an ad hom, red herring is the closest to what you believe my fallacy was)

[woven cradle]

Yeah see another instance of the correct reply

[frozen tide]

Best we can do is compile whats known and been researched and take a reasonable guess at what's best

[bitter nebula]

what is a strawman?

[frozen tide]

Applies not only for endfield but for all games and irl as well

Some of what we learn in science textbooks today

May very well be wrong in 10 years

[rare zodiac]

Everything is relatively

[bitter nebula]

Einstein type shi

[frozen tide]

Biology for example is a field constantly contested and changed conclusions of

You can't really expect or demand perfection

[rare zodiac]

Best at the moment could be the right wording, as in with what we know

[valid zealot]

Tell HG release more Wuling I can't artifice 50 pieces on the line with 1 peasant gangs printing bills

[midnight stirrup]

You can also just use common sense instead of expecting someone to spell it out each time

Like damn

[woven cradle]

Twisting someone's argument into something it isn't so it's easier to argue against

[bitter nebula]

i've gone broke buying the artfice thingy today T-T

[rare zodiac]

World wide problems in Endfield

[bitter nebula]

related to the topic or something completely unrelated?

[woven cradle]

It's irrelevant but you'd mostly make it related to the topic otherwise it'd be kind of pointless, the focus is into twisting someone's argument

[frozen tide]

Strawman is essentially picking smth related to or partially is their argument that is easy to argue against and going at it and only that. Like if someone argues for more socialist policies relating socialism to communism and then again making a connection to Soviet russia and stalin labeling them as same as or with stalin and arguing that stalin is bad

[woven cradle]

You could twist it into something unrelated to attack them directly which would be an ad hominem

For example

[bitter nebula]

ohhhhh okay

i get it

[bitter nebula]

attack them directly?

as in the person and not the argument

[frozen tide]

Its basically focusing on one aspect of the argument radicalizing it and arguing against that revised idea

[woven cradle]

Yeah that's what the picture shows, it's just demeaning the opponent instead of refuting their point

You're essentially bad-mouthing them for liking children doing drugs in the picture

[peak void]

thats ad hominem, totally different
its still against the argument, just that the point is “technically correct”, but obtuse and practically useless

[bitter nebula]

ohhh okay okay i get it

[woven cradle]

I might be getting wrong here, anyways I'm complicating it for no reason, mb pay me no mind

[peak void]

im not gonna pretend like i know a whole lot abt fallacies either, thats just my understanding of strawman

[midnight stirrup]

Its pretty distinct

[bitter nebula]

ohh okay okay

[unreal light]

wait you're extremely wrong on that

[peak void]

totally valid point
“ok but you’re ugly, why would anyone listen to someone ugly”

[frozen tide]

Ad hominem brings out smth outside of the argument and tries to portray the person behind the argument itself as faulty or untrustworthy

[bitter nebula]

yeah the picture explain it perfectly

[gritty olive]

strawman is framing an argument to be weaker than it is and attacking it

the train crashed? trains are very unsafe!

[frozen tide]

Strawman shifts the portrayal of the argument into smth radical and easy to argue against

[woven cradle]

In general though many fallacies can be combined which lead to examples that are applicable to many of them and that's why so many get the wrong impression of each and use them incorrectly I would guess

[midnight stirrup]

Guys, I think he gets it

Lets not complicate things

[peak void]

somehow i get your example but not your definition

[midnight stirrup]

Anyway

Day 13 of LR essence

Will today be the day

[frozen tide]

Ye

[woven cradle]

We theorycrafting but on fallacies instead of the game xD

[peak void]

Who knows

[rare zodiac]

Problem of most tcer, tmi

[peak void]

My laeva has been stuck on

6/6/4

since forever

[valid zealot]

Luck issue

[bitter nebula]

you reached 6? i can't go over 4/5/3

[bronze quiver]

How much does it matter on what order you etch Laevatains sig's essence?

[frozen tide]

The basis of a proper debate is important to establish

[peak void]

Kinda true, i squandered my luck everywhere recently tbh

[midnight stirrup]

No seriously

[unreal light]

You see, GV adds a lot of arts intensity on itself, so your aethertech gloves are weaker than ult gloves

[twilit quail]

you have to look at the rotation, we would love to ult every time we cs but we cant

[bitter nebula]

after the event of og Arknights, i think my luck will be gone for years

[woven cradle]

Who are we talking about, endmin?

[unreal light]

yes

[unreal light]

depends on the boss and their phase

[twilit quail]

GV is also heavily diluting ult%

with its boost

it does depend yes

[woven cradle]

On fixed team or generally

[twilit quail]

for example

sometimes it is better to shift the CS forward

[unreal light]

pog chen lifeng

[twilit quail]

and only do 3/3 crushes instead of 3/4 or 4/3

so you can do linked ult on enemy stagger

yes it all depends

that is physical

[woven cradle]

I would assume you go pretty heavy on arts intensity for pog there or is smth else more optimal

Prolly skill dmg better I'm dumb

[unreal light]

so once again, cs bs sm crush ult is weaker than cs ult bs sm crush

[peak void]

yea 2 sakikos in 40 was not on my bingo lol

[unreal light]

because with aethertech gloves you only have 124 arts intensity

but with ult damage gloves you have 56,1 ult dmg and 84 arts intensity

https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/1NFENqA35ys5D-qgaC8WLD8JtRC1Km8SDstcR4gFzXxY/edit?gid=1259073582#gid=1259073582

[twilit quail]

but with short segments of uptime in many fights and vs a dummy with a long timeline aethertech wins for various reasons

you cant just look at one single window

[bitter nebula]

i got 1 Hoshiguma and 3 Haruka out of the free single pulls of the event back to back

[twilit quail]

that isnt how any of this works

[unreal light]

it were you who created the single window

[frozen tide]

Who is Laqeramaline

[unreal light]

didn't you?

[woven cradle]

Logos mommy

[mortal trellis]

milf from arknights

[woven cradle]

Former head of the elegiac court

[peak void]

Laqer in akef?

[twilit quail]

ok again you are messing up the multipliers, where is the crystal consumption damage

[unreal light]

alright, does it differ between both rotations?

[twilit quail]

in a full rotation you get crystals ult once and crystals BS once

[woven cradle]

Thanks for putting in the work btw guys

[twilit quail]

with tryhard high uptime you can get two crystals BS

with 4 and 3 stacked crush respectively

but it's hard timeline

[unreal light]

well you have created the window

[twilit quail]

that isnt realistic on some bosses

[unreal light]

and it is perfect for example for rhodagn

[twilit quail]

again in many scenarios you will be doing ult cause of link and such and that would be a different solution

[unreal light]

you come, you set breach, you prep 4 phys stacks and the guy is staggered

[shut cobalt]

why is obj so good for him?
nvm, the description wasnt changed before specifying the charge rate

[unreal light]

we have excluded the link out of the equasion, it once again was your idea

[twilit quail]

yeah, that is one possible scenario out of many

[unreal light]

you have created the scenario

it's up here

[frozen tide]

[unreal light]

and once we include the link, it would only increase the difference between my rotation and yours

[frozen tide]

https://tenor.com/view/wall-gif-24534315

[twilit quail]

ok ult dmg%

is in the same pool as phys dmg%

it is also mega diluted

it is not in its own bracket

im sorry im very tired of this there are countless mistakes in the sheet

and there is still no correct cs multiplier

[unreal light]

there is no cs in the sheet

[mortal trellis]

ive been gone for an hour and i feel like the arguments are the exact same

[frozen tide]

Believe it or not

It has made minor progress

[shut cobalt]

i see wulf has a charge rate requirement, but what about ake?

[mortal trellis]

[frozen tide]

Isn't ake just as much as you can

[bitter nebula]

no wait why? i wanna know i didn't understand

[frozen tide]

Cause her link only lasts for 1 ebs anyw

[shut cobalt]

232% is impossible without charge rate weapon
even with fully artificed gear

[frozen tide]

And after a certain point sp is redundant

[valid zealot]

Obj has charge rate.

[bitter nebula]

ulti charge rate?

[valid zealot]

Ult gain

[frozen tide]

Wait what's akes cd

[bitter nebula]

so basically you use Wulf pot 5 ult just to gain his combo again?

[shut cobalt]

how is it redundant, leav wants it alot?

[frozen tide]

She doesn't have one

I did not know ake has no ult cd

[bitter nebula]

ulti? 120

[frozen tide]

Thats cost not cd

[bitter nebula]

oh sorry

[frozen tide]

Why does the wiki not state the cd

Lmao

[midnight stirrup]

@frozen tide Surely one of these is it

SURELY

[frozen tide]

Theres no cd tab

[shut cobalt]

@drifting quest u know this? pinging u since u seem to answer a lot of number questions

[midnight stirrup]

Oh my god im free

[bitter nebula]

i was looking at you LR yesterday and i was like "NOOO HE HASN'T THE PERFECT ESSENCE YET"

[midnight stirrup]

Schling thanks for blessing today

[drifting quest]

The more the better
Full seals, fortmaker and seals + fort do different reqs

[midnight stirrup]

Bro the amount of ingame sanity AND MY SANITY it took

[drifting quest]

Im busy rn but can get out in 10-20m

[midnight stirrup]

I can finally deal damage now

[shut cobalt]

im going to use fort since thermite is occupied by pog
and ig full seals too since thats on the guide and i assume its best

[shut cobalt]

ping me then

[frozen tide]

It probs isn't i didn't know its 20 sec cd

[dawn patrol]

omg hi pepper

[unreal light]

it's not like you've showed a proper sheet on that topic, sorry for doing the hard work

[frozen tide]

Np

[dawn patrol]

oh no way you got the essence

[midnight stirrup]

Hi eva

Yes Schling blessed my pulls

Like a good Xaihi support should

Jk

[dawn patrol]

crazy work

[midnight stirrup]

Schling def the Xaihi to my LR tho

[dawn patrol]

i still need to 6/6/3 my scathe essence blegh

[frozen tide]

[midnight stirrup]

Were cooking

[frozen tide]

P5

[dawn patrol]

jesus p5

[bitter nebula]

do you think it makes more sense to essence other weapons and gaining the gel for Leav?

[midnight stirrup]

I think Hifumi is the only other with P5R5 other than me

[frozen tide]

I got p1 p1

[bitter nebula]

glory to wife

[dawn patrol]

my laev only p2r2 wtf 💔

[midnight stirrup]

Humble beginnings youll get there

May LR come ur way

https://tenor.com/view/cat-wizard-gif-3598788200265522205

[shut cobalt]

u cooked so good totsuki culinary academy would be very proud

[dawn patrol]

pepper can u bless me with laevs or something

[midnight stirrup]

Im out of essence

[dawn patrol]

wait scathe box is going away nooooooo

fuck this disgusting chungus life

[midnight stirrup]

I only got P5R1 Laev

Soz

Im a fraud

[elder skiff]

accidentally got my 2nd scathe while just doing the rolls for the chest

[dawn patrol]

wtf!!

i would try for p5r5 but what if someone i like more comes out

[elder skiff]

swipe your card more

[dawn patrol]

can't

[midnight stirrup]

Def will

[dawn patrol]

out of monies

[steel crest]

is middle 20% or bottom 20% the better bonus for outposts

[midnight stirrup]

Read the text and youll figure it out

Theres a distinct difference

[dawn patrol]

what if a miyabi type character releases yk? i gotta swipe for them instead

[valid zealot]

Bot
It's guarantee 20% of your money.

[shut cobalt]

ngl laev is miyabi right at release

[midnight stirrup]

That reminds me I need to log into ZZZ

Saving for Aria

[unreal light]

alright, I had included the dilution, and in that way, yes, aethertech first rot will be slightly stronger, however this only works for the p5 GV

If gv buff works the way you say it works

with p4 GV and lower, the tables turn

https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/1NFENqA35ys5D-qgaC8WLD8JtRC1Km8SDstcR4gFzXxY/edit?usp=sharing

[drifting quest]

Did it not get solved

Ill have a look when I get home

[dawn patrol]

i cba to play zzz sorry to my miyabi

[bitter nebula]

in which scenario do you think hot work is better than Ultra charge for Laev?

[dawn patrol]

trims

[steel crest]

my guess is that since it's not multiplicative with the defense bonus, using the middle bonus is better? and even if they were equal the fact i need to shell out more mats to trade for more stock bills w/ the bottom bonus i want to use the middle bonus anyway?

[midnight stirrup]

Bro

What gives LR attack through her kit in combat

[dawn patrol]

they literally do different things cro

[midnight stirrup]

My attack keeps fluctuating, it was 5k+ now its 4600 even tho I upgraded the atk line

Im so confused

[frozen tide]

Stanza thermite

Idk

[midnight stirrup]

I didnt cast anything on Akekuri so cant be her

Maybe it was stanza

The atk% gets scaled off ur total strength before combat right

Not base atk

[drifting quest]

External atk% applies to base

[dawn patrol]

[baseatk * (1+baseatk%) * (1+conditionalatk%) + flat attack] * [1+attribute attack%]

[frozen tide]

Attack Power = [(Operator Base Attack + Weapon Base Attack)(1 + Percentage Bonus (ATK%)) + Fixed Value Bonus] * (1 + Stat Bonus)

[drifting quest]

Is batk% and condatk% separate

[midnight stirrup]

Oh

[drifting quest]

There's 2 formulas

Man

[midnight stirrup]

Anyway it was Perlica ult

[peak void]

Ult charge: overworld
Hotworks: everything else

[drifting quest]

Someone remind me to check this

[midnight stirrup]

Sitting 5244 atk now

I think people achieve 5000 atk before combat tho

ig essences not high enough

[sand pike]

yo chat anyone here got the link to Laev's calc sheet?

[bitter nebula]

everything else like, boss n stuff?

[drifting quest]

Not on hand

I'll have it when I get home

Check back in an hour

Or backsearch morbikas messages

[peak void]

sray safe

[dawn patrol]

what about 6 or 7 hours

[sand pike]

is that for me or

[drifting quest]

Yes

[sand pike]

alright danke

[peak void]

Spontaneous nature application with subsequent fire application

[sand pike]

https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/1vC6E28yPxMGF0YHkYeDwBqfpICBM8d0W9KgYWp2Ptbg/edit?gid=245588407#gid=245588407

[frozen tide]

https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/1vC6E28yPxMGF0YHkYeDwBqfpICBM8d0W9KgYWp2Ptbg/edit?gid=245588407#gid=245588407

[sand pike]

is it this one?

[frozen tide]

This?

Bruh

[peak void]

Bro in fact did not need to wait an hour

[frozen tide]

The timing today

[dawn patrol]

erm do you mean heat application ☝️🤓

[peak void]

Yes :realmad:

you are disturbing my pizza, begone

[midnight stirrup]

You joke about this but theres actually mfs who pull this shit

[dawn patrol]

pizza does sound real good rn

i'm having chicken and rice 💔

[peak void]

thats not bad 🥹

i had that like 2 days ago

[dawn patrol]

struggle bus ass meal

ion even have vegetables it's legit just chicken and rice

[gritty olive]

some people were very complainy about that dheet

[drifting quest]

The gymbro special

[gritty olive]

fortunately i could at least make it prettier

[frozen tide]

Have y'all tried protein powder ice cream

[dawn patrol]

one of my friends runs a small cafe and you can order a gymbro and it's just a single boiled egg

[frozen tide]

😭

[drifting quest]

Lmao

[peak void]

no and i dont think i ever will

[gritty olive]

245/240

very close now

[peak void]

whats this

67/67

[gritty olive]

marble trim

[peak void]

oh shi

yea marble tuff

[dawn patrol]

ayo 5s off

[peak void]

i used wulf ake antal if u wanna know

[dawn patrol]

i remember being stuck on 247 and it suuuuuucked

[gritty olive]

did you use food

im egoistic so i wouldnt be using em

[dawn patrol]

yes ginseng stew made up the difference

[gritty olive]

my only problem is that i cant properly stagger marble properly

[dawn patrol]

to avoid the flying attack?

[gritty olive]

i should be saving my wulf ults to trigger combo asap

[dawn patrol]

or to cancel it rather

[gritty olive]

no like some of her attacks im staggered

so yeah just need to be better

[dawn patrol]

oh you got hit? rip

[violet rose]

umbral trimmed has no timer, just the clear kinda meh

[dawn patrol]

better luck next run

[gritty olive]

i hope the hitlag doesnt reduce me

[dawn patrol]

what the hell are all these glowy medals

[peak void]

aint no way im boutta do that without at least jakub

my wifi suck faaahh

ofc lol

[dawn patrol]

i only have the valley iv and umbral one wtf

[summer flower]

Ehh, it Has regular umbral timer

I had to circle last stage of immobile

[elfin reef]

why does my lvl 80 lastrite with no arti at all hits around same as lvl maxed out yvonne with almost maxed arti

[summer flower]

Because it became no hit run

[dawn patrol]

bc yvonne sucks

[summer flower]

Chen had to carry it

[dawn patrol]

[violet rose]

i had to level my akekuri she actually died lol

[summer flower]

Xd

"Just keep her 60/80" xD

[dawn patrol]

60 still works it's just more annoying

for stage 1 specifically

[valid zealot]

Morb do you want the secret to easy trimmed medal.

[summer flower]

Maybe for you

[dawn patrol]

just do more damage fr

[peak void]

Im accepting 500 usd for trim pilot

[valid zealot]

Mods come look at this

[dawn patrol]

i'll do it for 499

[peak void]

Oh nooo

[kindred sorrel]

for that price, they can just whale on their account and no skill trim with maxed operators

[dawn patrol]

we should undercut each other until we actually pay people to pilot instead

[peak void]

Damn im beat

LMAO

[next helm]

trimmed medal on umbral with stuttering to the max

[gritty olive]

Ok fuck yall

[peak void]

fkass market

[dawn patrol]

LET'S GOOOOOOO

i always believed in u

[valid zealot]

Ay gratz

[gritty olive]

mommy raised no quitter

[peak void]

aw no 500 🥀