theorycrafting

[west moon]

Yep, same time as battlepass weekly refresh

[lime bear]

drop 100 shielders

[drifting quest]

some 8 hours for asia
some 20 hours for na/eu

[lime bear]

https://youtu.be/0XaYYScBZSY?si=rAYM9mAwB36zxMek @drifting quest the laser stuff is this one right

[west moon]

Is it just me or getting all rare resources once in 4 days is crazy tedium?

[bronze plume]

does that look like lazers

[dry kindle]

Where's my weapon

[west moon]

It takes such huge amount of time that I take breaks lol

Whole map ziplined

[lime bear]

what else does it look like

dolly?

[bronze plume]

red lines

it was a sarcastic question

[west moon]

Any speculations on alters in endfield?

[summer flower]

i have p5 avyenna

[frigid vector]

reserved for p5 whales only sry bro

[summer flower]

i only bought one token

[drifting quest]

imagine not having gilb sig

[bronze plume]

jump

[west moon]

Just get stanza

[drifting quest]

ok i jumped

what next

[bronze plume]

off a cliff

[west moon]

P5 stanza outclasses P0 delivery

[bronze plume]

thats 100ft

[west moon]

If I'm not mistaken

[drifting quest]

i dont live near any

[bronze plume]

with no parachute or anything to break the fall

find one

[frigid vector]

gonna be real at this point getting p5 stanza more of a struggle than p0 delivery guaranteed

[summer flower]

jump down happy

[frigid vector]

I got delivery and I'm at p2 lol

[drifting quest]

p2 stanza and its both the guaranteed sources

sobbing

[bronze plume]

id get her sig if that didnt mean resetting 6 star pity

[frigid vector]

[daring dove]

I have P12 Stanza

[drifting quest]

happy for you

[frigid vector]

I'll catch up soon just waiting for 1.1/1.2 banners bet

[west moon]

You got 5star refreshes every day, and it costs only 3k tokens in total

P0 delivery costs like 15k on average

[drifting quest]

1.1 is gonna be something like 6* phys payoff tangtang and 6 star fire vanguard rossi and im going to implode

[frigid vector]

have there been enough stanza refreshes to p5?

[drifting quest]

no

there has been 1 (one) stanza

afaik

[bronze plume]

if rossi is 1.1

[frigid vector]

yeah ok thought I was tripping

[bronze plume]

and i cant get her cuz no pulls

[west moon]

Eventually we'll get here

[bronze plume]

im going

to murder

[frigid vector]

ye for sure, all 5*s can eventually be maxed

[drifting quest]

the weekly rotation got datamined

for 1.0

[frigid vector]

just that at the moment stanza is rough work

[west moon]

I want Lycia for fire team

[dry kindle]

Where's my arsenal tickets

[west moon]

She literally be looking fire

[daring dove]

I'd say realistically Stanza is likely on the level of P2 Delivery but I'm not entirely sure rn.

[lyric kindle]

So I've just pulled gilberta, but I'm looking to see if I can't take advantage of her grouping for my laeva team. Could Laeva, Wulfgard, Akekuri, Gilberta work as a team? It's first rotation is super solid because I can proc nearly the full team's combo, while applying aoe corrosion with Wulfgard combo and gilberta active, but the second rotation feels really bad because I don't have any tools to regain stacks.

In addition, I'm struggling to identify what gear would work best for her in this kind of comp. I'm thinking hot works is probably best, but is her personal damage high enough to not warrant a more utility focused set?

[dry kindle]

No standard pull income is so aids aaa

[lime bear]

I already have 60K

[bronze plume]

idc

[lime bear]

Rossi and Fangyi waiting room

[bronze plume]

yeah its so ass

[drifting quest]

||no stanza in 1.0 other than daily rotation||

sad

[west moon]

Gilb can't really help lava with ultimate, cause buff is fading too quick

[lime bear]

3 standard a week

[west moon]

Tbh I'm so glad that I didn't liked any announced characters. Means I'll be able to save for 10 banners straight

Unless Sankta spearmen turns out to be interesting, then I'll pull him

[drifting quest]

did anyone keep track of daily rotation

i forgot to do it

[west moon]

Is there any point in upgrading lightness when you literally maxed out thermite? (except potential)

[drifting quest]

no

[west moon]

Happy 9/9/5 thermite owner

This sword fits all SP generators

[daring dove]

Be some stuff where having the two of them on the same team is really strong especially AoE content. For me she's better than Wulfguard there as he's doing effectively nothing just applying excessive amounts of heat. So for the upcoming umbral AoE stage I think Gilberta will out-perform Wulfguard for Laevatain team.

For ST though you see need Wulf.

[west moon]

Laeva is already AoE, her ult hits like half of the screen

[drifting quest]

?? (i didnt start tracking from day 1)
Monaihe Aspirant Quencher
Chimeric Justice Aspirant Howling Guard
?? (i didnt keep track again)
Freedom EoL Industry

talos wiki doesnt have them

[daring dove]

Yeah but Gilberta is giving upto 20% attack or 60% DMG & upto 46% Shred. Wulfguard is just throwing fireworks.

[west moon]

Is there way to check damage increase from arts intensity?

[quaint matrix]

I wish in some update they will add a room with target dummy so we can kinda practice rotations and shit

[west moon]

I hope this room will be accompanied by 10 unskippable guides

[daring dove]

Gilberta for first age of Umbral if it's the same as beta will be way better than Wulfguard for Laevatain team. But they could of shaken things up.

Who knows.

[teal bone]

Anyone here tried p0 artz vs p5 navigator for Yvonne

[west moon]

Better question: who has p5 navigator?

[drifting quest]

no one

its not possible

[west moon]

That's the neat part lol

[drifting quest]

artzy isnt released either

no the answer to who has tried it is no one

[west moon]

Has anyone tried new sandscape region?

[quaint matrix]

also you can't have p5 navigator yet

only p4

i think

you have 2 chests with wpns and 2 chets with upgrades

[west moon]

Nobody in their mind would waste potential crates on navigator

[drifting quest]

honestly is the best spend right now

[west moon]

This is the only hope for dolphins to get signatures to p5

[drifting quest]

but 1.1+ is unknown territory

[quaint matrix]

i'm saving my chests maybe 1.1 or 1.2 bp wpns are worth going for p5

[west moon]

Yvonne is basically potential women right now?

[quaint matrix]

i can imagine some bp sword in future can be better than sundering on chen so i can make it p5 right away

[daring dove]

Ermmm she's kind of the Ember for DPS'es

[quaint matrix]

or maybe for some supports

but 1st patch bp wpns are meeeh

[west moon]

Umbral - There's enough pulls for forgeborn
Opus - Stanza is better
Navigator - Wedge is better

Yeah, BP case was kinda ass

[daring dove]

Only hope for Yvonne is for Last Rite to be techincally included in her best team so Last Rite can carry her.

[quaint matrix]

yep,so we can save refinement chests for future potentially good wpns. stonks

[west moon]

And LR needs p3 to become good

[drifting quest]

yvonne's 'best' team is the 3op last rite team that has her as emotional support

[west moon]

LR p3 is either massive unluck or whaling

I got lifeng p2 💔

[daring dove]

Or massive lucky depending on your preferences.

[chilly bison]

hi, have anyone encounted some kind of damage bug ingame where's certain buff just doesn't applied?

[quaint matrix]

also this bp 6% exp bonus is such a joke lol

6%

like

% bonus

[west moon]

This is stolen from valorant afaik

[ivory widget]

Max pot Navigator beats P0 wedge, no?

[west moon]

Navigator p5 is not possible

You can get p1 if you spend two cases on it

[chilly bison]

no one have?

[ivory widget]

Atm no, in 1.1 yes

[west moon]

Okay, another question. Will you spend 2k tokens on a weapon with small niche?

Wedge can be used by many gunslingers

Same as thermite

[ivory widget]

If you want to use other handcannon characters wedge is fine, but I don't personally spend on things in case something theoretically comes out

Not saying wedge is bad, just that Navigator is a solid option if bp weps continue to suck

[west moon]

Endfield really hates dolphins, isn't it?

[daring dove]

For me the only battle pass weapons we should be chasing P5 for would be support ones that have a chance of being good in a generalist sense. Getting a battle pass weapon for your hyper carry is usually just settling for second best.

[ivory widget]

Normally yeah, just not sold on Artzy for Yvonne since it looks like it takes 3 entire Yvonne battle skills to actually ramp it

[west moon]

Doesn't helps that Yvonne is tier 2 DPS at best

[drifting quest]

t2 is generous if we're being relative

[west moon]

What's better for arclight (P5) in electro team?

• Invest in personal damage
• Invest in team buff (trekker)

[ivory widget]

Yvonne certainly suffers a lot more from the lack of cryo/nature stackers than Last Rite does

[drifting quest]

what is trekker

[ivory widget]

Even if her multipliers look good on paper

[west moon]

0.08% damage increase for each point of intellect

[drifting quest]

oh, talent

you can build for talent

[west moon]

Too bad that intellect is her secondary

[drifting quest]

rare case of frontiers being sort of okay since she gets a ton of sec% and the active

[west moon]

The issue is that I already have full frontier set, built to maximize combo and battle skill damage

[drifting quest]

[west moon]

I want to be really sure that secondary attribute will work better

[drifting quest]

[west moon]

Arclight be doing 5% of damage income while having maxed out thermite

[drifting quest]

im sorry for your loss if you artificed

[west moon]

I did, but I'm relatively lucky with artifice somehow

[next helm]

Wtf shield guy nerfs?

[west moon]

There goes all my pull luck I guess

[drifting quest]

shield mob justified nerf at least

even if it makes umbral monument even easier

[west moon]

I just want shield mob to be vulnerable from the sides

[drifting quest]

not engaging enemy design, just a slog

directional damage would have been nice but hey

[west moon]

The only thing about shield mob is that he's vulnerable to phys teams cause they can quickly stagger him

Other teams will suffer

[next helm]

yvonne buff

[west moon]

Omg is that endfield leaks???

[next helm]

solidification works too on the shield guys

[summer flower]

for ember sundered prince or exemplar?

[keen cargo]

Can't wait for the endgame with 50 shield mobs and a 3 minute time limit

[summer flower]

OOF

[west moon]

1 try per week

[west moon]

Isn't solid basically phys and cryo hybrid?

[ivory widget]

Yvonne + Gibster might actually shine since solidify bypasses it now lol

[keen cargo]

That's certainly one way to shill banner rateups

[hollow pine]

ahm p5 Yvonne+p5 LR doing marble and rhog under half a minute there's a niche where LR doesn't eat up the stacks before Yvonne does but you gotta be fast hands

[dry kindle]

Oh

[west moon]

Let's be real, only gooners will pull Yvonne

[dry kindle]

Rip 7 ebs I think

[west moon]

Her design or personality isn't particularly interesting

[edgy crater]

or lose on surt banner lol

[woeful plume]

goodbye 7 skill technology

[west moon]

But hey, G-cup and

.gyatt

[crystal coral]

https://media.discordapp.net/attachments/956086663447207956/1470559890274783234/7gnlhrm4cbee1.png?ex=698bbd1f&is=698a6b9f&hm=3f3ec04d775ce42e3a42e5f8868b92346512b746970e941d537553f53b8baf89&=&format=webp&quality=lossless&width=720&height=720

[edgy crater]

is dat the one where lr do 1m damage on marble?

where yvonne basically tentacles killer

[hollow pine]

they both did close to 1m DMG tbf

in 1 cycle lol

[edgy crater]

aint yvonne there only do 800k? n on crit too

[west moon]

Yvonne slander must go on

[drifting quest]

lr is a ways ahead of 1mil now

[outer ermine]

freaking whels

[west moon]

Yvonne is the only operator whose ultimate can be cancelled?

[next helm]

I'm playing a different game I think

[noble tapir]

Just to like triple check, I want to m1 pog's battle skill right, not his combo skill?

[daring dove]

The way I look at it, is lets say we get a battle pass support weapon that's like a worse version of Stanza but if for gun slingers. You'd feel like such a fool blowing your crates of a Yvonne weapon that's not even her BiS when you could of had a really cracked support weapon for say Wulfguard. Obviously we don't know what's coming but my playbook is crates will never get used on a carry weapon they're reversed exclusively for support weapons.

[summer flower]

ehh

wiat abnormal

so what they mean? bigger smoller?

[edgy crater]

cancel as in u just swap after trigger her ulti?

[summer flower]

or do they mean laggy?

[noble tapir]

at this rate, I think I'm just going to collect them for clout. Feel like pulling sig weapons for limited units isn't even that hard

[frigid vector]

that's probably the issue I was facing with it not pausing her ultimate timer

[drifting quest]

just whiffed 10 in a row on a 2>3 essence

[west moon]

Cancel as getting interrupted mid ult

[frigid vector]

I'll lab this later when I can log in to make sure

[drifting quest]

glad to know my essence luck is continuing

[ivory widget]

Like I said, normally I'd completely agree but her signature really doesn't look like an equivalent to Laevatain's Forgeborne unless you are a whale who is going to pull dupes for it.

[west moon]

Yvonne can be knocked down during her turret phase

[edgy crater]

oh turret phase, ye

[noble tapir]

yvonne can knock me down during her turret phase

[summer flower]

sundered prince vs exemplar for ember?

[daring dove]

I'd just use Wedge instead then but we'll see.

[summer flower]

one has more attack, and attack not in potential lock

other crit rate, more strenght,

ehhh

[hollow pine]

having everything just for sake of having em helps people who usually stays in the game for long time at some point they(those unused 6* SIGs/chars) will get buffed or become a niche

[west moon]

Grand vision p5 when?

[ivory widget]

Sure that's totally valid, I did say Wedge is totally fine as well if you pick it up down the line. At the very least I don't think it's a bad idea to wait and see what the 1.1 lineup looks like.

[summer flower]

help

[outer ermine]

have to wait till friday to grind more, just one more crit

[noble tapir]

I'm talking about for the battle pass weapon chests. Getting the sig weapons is easy enough where using the chests to get a pretty significantly worse variant of the signature is pretty worthless to me. I could also just have gotten extremely lucky so far

[daring dove]

I think I have Wedge P3 or P4 already thing won't leave me alone.

[ivory widget]

Damn you're wedge gaming fr P5 right around the corner

[summer flower]

solved issue

jet was in box with exemplar

so i took jet

and sundered

nice

[west moon]

Can't wait for

"Fluorite Solid Snake 6⭐" alter that will make use of wedge lol

[noble tapir]

You get fledge, I get fake Thermite Cutter (Former Finery, the GS version)

Hate that stupid weapon

[west moon]

I got forgeborn p1 in 10 issues, kinda mid luck

But it is a good one nonetheless

[daring dove]

Love the way Last Rite runs in smashes him for 70% of his HP then runs away.

[noble tapir]

Forgeborn I went to pity, but I balanced it out with a first 10 pull Delivery

So Yvonne sig will come in 4 10 pulls to be perfectly balanced

[west moon]

Got shy

[outer ermine]

she knew she fucked up

[hasty grail]

how do I calculate if p4 gilberta can reach ult in 1 combo + 3 skills?

[peak void]

has anyone noticed that higher trust operators give better gifts?

[west moon]

[peak void]

or are my observations wrong

[ivory widget]

(Ult cost * 0.85) for what you need, then multiply 29.5 by your ult efficiency

To see if you pass it

[summer flower]

i just noticed somehting

repeat pieces are still giving set bonus with 1 piece that's from set

[west moon]

I don't want to be that guy, but...

Your point?

[summer flower]

i was building incorrectly

[west moon]

Happens to the best of us

[summer flower]

i thought it needed 3 unique

[daring dove]

Honestly if you're going all the way to P4 you should just finish her potentials. P5 gives a good increase to the uptime on her signature weapon's buffs.

[peak void]

as the saying goes

if ppl could do 4 slab, they would

ppl, not me

[hasty grail]

Yeah I do have it, I'm just wondering if I can reach it in 3 skills without having to invest everything into maxing

[hasty grail]

thanks

[summer flower]

2 slab is way less meme i you can use lynx passive

then you slap one additional from lynx

[ivory widget]

If you just want the answer, you need +160% ult efficiency to hit that breakpoint

[west moon]

Is monaihe just trash?

[ivory widget]

Delivery with maxed essence can reach +165% with artificed ult eff gear

[hasty grail]

thanks, so I do have to max the weapon to reach it

[daring dove]

Ult gain doesn't require max potential weapon just max essence.

[hasty grail]

I mean I have to max the ult gain line on it

[ivory widget]

You have a 5% ult eff margin of error to slack on, but yeah you do need to invest for it

[west moon]

What are the odds of getting 4/1/1 essence? Pretty low ig

[daring dove]

I think so I have +35% ult gain with 7 pips on Gilberta, what's the max 45%?

[hasty grail]

46.43

[daring dove]

Then yeah you would.

[hasty grail]

I have 8/9 on it with gear max artificed on ult gain and it ends up just barely under

[dry kindle]

Don't forget returned sp

[peak void]

Forget returned sp

[summer flower]

okay, ember chen endmin combo is kinda easy

[peak void]

how come the charge thresholds for lifeng and pog went down?

[summer flower]

80/80 ember

80/80 sundered prince

[peak void]

~58 to 37 is pretty big, i think i can remove a whole xiranite pc

[west moon]

Any recs?

[compact escarp]

I dont build any electro teams rn

Broke

I didnt even finished my first one

[daring dove]

Obviously focus on upgrading her essence so much damage left on the table with that low ATK%.

[summer flower]

no combo skill dmg

combo does not matter by itself

also didnt you diluted battle skill dmg % a bit too much?

[west moon]

Wrong poncho?

[summer flower]

dunno which one

but nuke is in battle skill

[west moon]

This better?

[west moon]

3 pieces are boosting battle skill dmg

gloves and 2 kits

[summer flower]

if agi is secondary it looks better

[west moon]

Yep, I just finished maxing out thermite essense today

[west moon]

.

[ivory widget]

Yes, isn't she will/agility?

You want the ult eff one

[west moon]

Already swapped

[summer flower]

yea probably ult eff

[west moon]

Originally I thought that 12% is too little to care

[summer flower]

what's maximum amount of spears?

[icy minnow]

Avywenna really wants base stats/atk, make sure you max level her weapon also

[ivory widget]

Yeah it doesn't matter, it's mainly for the agility for more attack haha.

[summer flower]

shouldnt avyenna use ultimate mulitple times per battle skill?

what would be good ratio of avyenna battle/combo/ultimate

?

[west moon]

Also, should I rebuild arclight into support slave?

[daring dove]

What does everyone think is a better investment, finish off my P5/P5 Gilberta until she's full ult gain so she can potentially burst every rot. Or start building my P5/P2 Last Rite even though my Laevatain team is fully functional already?

[west moon]

There goes my artificed comms lol

[daring dove]

I'm kind of at a loss where to put my focus now.

[west moon]

This is something on rich language

[daring dove]

Not sure if just to start building more characters or keep focusing on perfecting the ones I have built.

[ivory widget]

Maxed Gibby makes daily sanity dump more fun, but if you are getting bored of your current comp go for Last Rite.

[daring dove]

Naw enjoying Laevatain a lot so yeah that sounds good.

[hollow pine]

on my 3rd team atm kinda out of artificing mats alr. If you're going for the peak might as well give Yvonne/LR P5s a try

[outer ermine]

does anyone know if ard will consume corrosion if u buffer her skill and it hits as soon as combo explodes, cant test it myself rn

should tbh

[ivory widget]

It should, there is a clear delay for the corrosion consumption since it triggers on the actual damage proc.

[outer ermine]

tys, looks tight as hell hmm

[daring dove]

I think I'm skipping Yvonne, don't get me wrong I imagine the team will be pretty busted with two P5 6* good / decent damage dealers on it. But I imagine as we move into 1.1 & 1.2 an we start getting more Fire / Nature characters I'll want to go that route instead. An it's not like my ice team will be bricked with just P5 LR.

[ivory widget]

Honestly I wouldn't be surprised if Yvonne actually pivots towards nature teams instead of cryo assuming nature continues down the support path lol.

[hollow pine]

Fair enough. I still haven't built my cryo team coz phy team eats up lots of resources. And 1.1 could be very different. Won't be surprised if banners after Yvonne would be must pull for endgame contents

[gritty olive]

Hops on Mr. Dolly and rams the target to deal Nature DMG. If the target has Corrosion icon.pngCorrosion, then consume the Corrosion icon.pngCorrosion and apply Physical Susceptibility icon.pngPhysical Susceptibility and Arts Susceptibility icon.pngArts Susceptibility to the target.

[manic blade]

Does umbral drop some time today or tmrw?

[gritty olive]

she eats the corrosion with skill when its present

[ivory widget]

~19 hours if America/eu server.

[edgy crater]

5/6 hour if its asia

[midnight stirrup]

Omfg

Attack legit never rolls for me

[gritty olive]

losing the 1/24 500 times

[midnight stirrup]

Brutal

[hollow pine]

F

[west moon]

Sorry, I stole all your essense luck

[slender river]

how much intellect do i need before going for lynx slab on laeva?

ive only max artificed my gloves and one pyrometer, 8/9 intellect stat on weap

[west moon]

All this in one day

[gritty olive]

all in one day
looks inside
20 sanity potions used

[west moon]

Actually 6

They were special ones

100 sanity each

[gritty olive]

you need high pot for it to go well

wouldnt recommend it

[slender river]

oh, do i just keep tide fall then?

[west moon]

Imagine endfield, but sanity system is not shit

[neat snow]

I've only gotten two perfect essence and I do refills everyday 😂 fuck

[amber vapor]

They nerfed Bonekrusher vanguards but failed to actually just address the problem and make those damn things only block in one direction

[west moon]

Funniest thing, they already know how to do it

[daring dove]

I have about 7 perfects so far, I think you got hit by the unlucky train.

[gritty olive]

tidefall armor 3 hotworks or
tidefall armor xiranite + reedemer seal x2

[neat snow]

I must have:(

[amber vapor]

Hidden luck stat

[slender river]

ive heard about redeemer seal build, is that better than tidefall + 3x hotwork variant?

[gritty olive]

currently im adjusting my sims to accoutn for one chonky 300 toughness enemy, and er build consequently performs less than hotworks

[west moon]

P5 opus or P0 wedge?

[gloomy lynx]

What is recommended build for p5p5 lae?

[daring dove]

Ult gain

[gloomy lynx]

Tide fall armor, hot work glove double seal?

[daring dove]

Yeah.

When you have P5 weapon it's a no brainer.

[gritty olive]

assuming 300 toughness enemy

[gloomy lynx]

Thank you

[gritty olive]

but when 150 toughness 200% ult is even stronger

i might need to recheck. yesterday i got that ultspam is weaker at 300 toughness and i want to replicate that

https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/1vC6E28yPxMGF0YHkYeDwBqfpICBM8d0W9KgYWp2Ptbg/edit?usp=drivesdk

can check the whole of it

[slender river]

🙃 hopefully i didnt waste my wuling bills on this

[dry kindle]

5/6 hours till shit pull income jumpscare

[summer flower]

gonna try with 3x swordthingy set

[gritty olive]

its better for trimming

since you can prepare your ults in advanxe

while my sims assume 0 energy start due to umbral assumption

[slender river]

do we know if the inc endgame comes with full ult energy?

[gritty olive]

it doesnt

[quaint matrix]

arknights end from starving?

[slender river]

pain

[quaint matrix]

i heard a rumor

that og ak is getting pc client

and endfield is just an ad for og ak

[gritty olive]

also less damage per rotation

[manic blade]

Ult set likely heavy meta for endgame

[gritty olive]

but in turn you get two ult windows

[manic blade]

I switched to it the other day, still have some int artificing I need but it’s SO stupidly expensive and time consuming

2 days of max wuling farm for half progress on redeemer int…

[west moon]

Are we getting story in 1.1?

[daring dove]

I''m just leaving mine at 716 int, an switching focus to max ult gain for Gilberta now.

So she can burst every rotation.

[fading fog]

Is it worth swapping a toolkit on yvonne for a seal? if I'm not mistaken with 2 artifices into ult gain you can get enough energy for your ult with 2 less skill usages in total?

[manic blade]

Do we know gilb breakpoints

[west moon]

Don't mess with, electro team players

We just mash random skills and it works

[manic blade]

Pretty sure I could swap a second ult gain piece for arts intensity

[manic blade]

https://youtube.com/shorts/Kv-aTSMbFqI?si=qNww6n1q0ORqBcO-

[ivory widget]

For P0 ults?

[daring dove]

Apparently 260 ult gain her max possible is 265, so again a lot of investment.

For every turn burst.

[summer flower]

wait update now?

[ivory widget]

Breakpoints depends if she has dupes or not

[summer flower]

or is it just my issue?

[manic blade]

I only have p3 so -5%

[daring dove]

Yeah I guess it's not possible without P4?

[ivory widget]

4 battleskill + 1 combo is +150% ult efficiency which is doable at P0

3 battleskill + 1 combo needs P4

[summer flower]

mash random, meanwhile whole combo was done correctly

also akekuri present, video disregarded

[manic blade]

Link op

[summer flower]

maybe i should use akekuri instead of just hating on it

?

use and hate it?

[manic blade]

I’m an Antal hater

Ugly ahh lizard

[gritty olive]

you are lambasting lowlight's insert

[daring dove]

Antal is just cope Akekuri downgrade anyway.

[summer flower]

wait

is my setup incorrect?

i seen crystals dissapear when using ember skill

[craggy junco]

anybody know where can I find the dmg calculation formula(s)?

[summer flower]

REEE, did i lose my soups?

[gritty olive]

https://docs.google.com/document/d/19Nk6BEH-FLYpZ6nKVAhAOeYiSBjnf6a0HTNYFbNJ0Ss/edit?usp=drivesdk

[craggy junco]

many thanks

[slender river]

should i stop investing in standard build then and work on ult gain build?

[thorn shore]

5/6 hours until 2 hours of endgame content then back to daily routine till 1.1

[manic blade]

ST speed run slop

[gritty olive]

id stick to the hotworks for now

[slender river]

like investing?

[manic blade]

He won’t be great in umbral

[gritty olive]

you might want higher burst damage over consistent damage

whatever the situation calls

[manic blade]

Unless high investment

[gritty olive]

[slender river]

ig i can hold my wuling bills till endgame comes out

[gritty olive]

im currentlt artificing hotworks for her

[manic blade]

I finished hot works but working ult set now

Fkn p5 weapon makes every stat give hard diminishing returns

[slender river]

damn how are yall already finished with standard set, im only done 2/4 so far

[summer flower]

does knock down clears lift?

[gritty olive]

this compared to that

[manic blade]

Both my regions bases i full maxed 2 days after launch

[slender river]

ok that makes more sense jesus

around how long does it take to max out 1 3 stat gear anyways? like 3-4 days?

[manic blade]

Also hot work gloves are good with ult set by p4 but there isn’t rlly a good off piece for 3 pc hot works

[manic blade]

Around ya, the limited supply of catalysts give you a huge boost to artificing

So way faster with those pretty slow once u run out

[slender river]

yeah im trying to avoid buying those too, honestly not sure if i should buy those first before the one that resets

[manic blade]

Bought every limited and resettable catalyst from last week…

[summer flower]

okay, so i think i might be on track how to do it?

[slender river]

when are wuling factory upgrades coming 😔

[midnight stirrup]

First time?

[manic blade]

Prolly after yvonne banner ends unless we get lucky

[slender river]

prayge

[manic blade]

I hope sooner…

[slender river]

yeah..

[midnight stirrup]

Obv not

More in 1.1

[gritty olive]

probably theyre gonna restock "daily goods" every patch

[manic blade]

3 banners only new content being events is meh

[midnight stirrup]

Yall greedy ash icl

Its a release patch

Thats why theres minimum events

[slender river]

maybe, i was wondering why it was called daily goods when it didnt reset daily/weekly

[midnight stirrup]

You burned through your content for what

[unreal light]

If you need a strong team (if you think your team is not enough for some content), limited is 5 times cheaper

If you don’t, there’s no need to buy limited

[slender river]

hopefully endgame wont require that much investment on release

[summer flower]

154 sec /120 when before it was 142/120

but i did major mistake

[unreal light]

I mean the most endgame we have now is trimmed medals

[midnight stirrup]

Its the hardest too

[unreal light]

Is it?

[midnight stirrup]

This new endgame is easier

[unreal light]

I’m unsure, once Rhodagn is cleared, all bosses die sub 4 at your first try

[midnight stirrup]

Im not saying trims are hard

I said theyre the hardest

[gritty olive]

im still at 277/240 versus marble

[unreal light]

Like not try, you may die on phases until learning boss patterns

[gritty olive]

[unreal light]

But once you kill the boss it is under 4, even without buffs

[manic blade]

Not doing two tentacle phases right?

[gritty olive]

i might be doing my laev rotations during stagger incorrectlt

[gritty olive]

nope

[manic blade]

Ya should be do able with rotation clean up + maybe food buffs

[slender river]

is that with food?

[sly nymph]

stop whiteknightung the billion dollar company

[midnight stirrup]

Whiteknighting?

Are u dumb

[unreal light]

Bro come on

[gritty olive]

nope

[dry kindle]

Its not endgame 💀

[unreal light]

Girls ain’t impressed

[midnight stirrup]

They released a shitload of content for a release patch and yall still want hella content

Lack of brain ahh comment

[unreal light]

It’s not really a shitload if it’s beatable in two days

[full thistle]

has anyone tried the ember and pog laevatain team in ianas doc? Im curious how it flows in combat

[manic blade]

They been workin on it for like what 5 years lol

[sly nymph]

baited

[midnight stirrup]

Brother if you did it all in 2 days, that says more about u than the patch

[slender river]

i just wanted more wuling bills 😔

[thorn shore]

r u still not done bro?🐌

[manic blade]

WeGood

[gritty olive]

i completed everything in a week
why is the game boring :(

[fathom spear]

for the umemployed ✌️

[full thistle]

oh is it a meme? lol

[gritty olive]

go play integrated stratefies

[midnight stirrup]

No literally

[manic blade]

Fk a new sub region just give us two more sky forges

[dire nymph]

pog for dashing on overworld

dats all

[midnight stirrup]

Mfs no life their shit in 2 days and then mad they dont got content when they know patches take 7 weeks

[unreal light]

I am employed, I just took a small time off

[manic blade]

Act we need new outpost bc u get hard capped

[fathom spear]

yeah no shot u will clear the game in 2 days without draining ur health off when ur employed

[thorn shore]

i aint even need time off bro, i can get ts done while juggling a part time job and college and apparently im a no life now

[unreal light]

Silly cats entered the chat

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/1078713448768217140/1353633308461760584/ezgif-4a508baed06c19.gif

[midnight stirrup]

No lifers when they get called out for no lifing

https://giphy.com/gifs/spongebob-squarepants-whobob-whatpants-fB938PbR1ulsA

[unreal light]

No contents when they’re getting called out for no content

https://media.discordapp.net/attachments/956086673530314832/1434154209674264647/perlica.gif?width=138&height=138

[thorn shore]

person whos centered their entire discord pfp around a character from a game calling other people out for being too addicted to the game

[midnight stirrup]

Idk about u but I still got content

[midnight stirrup]

U mad

[manic blade]

Less of a complaint and more just excitement for more content tbh

[midnight stirrup]

We cant have chars we like as a pfp now

🤡

[thorn shore]

person who calls other people mad manifesting their anger into existence

[normal tangle]

what does "entire discord pfp" even mean? as opposed to a partial pfp?

[manic blade]

U comin down with me pepper gg

[thorn shore]

idk i was just typing bro

[unreal light]

Your pfp is partially fish

[thorn shore]

friggin partial fisher

pure fish or nothing

[midnight stirrup]

Bro stormed into chat mad at me when I dont even know this guy

W fan

[unreal light]

If it ain’t full fish, it’s not enough fishy

[manic blade]

I caught a stray

[unreal light]

All or nothing fallacy mfs

[thorn shore]

80% hand 10% fish 10% landscape pfp headass

[gloomy lynx]

@daring dove Sorry for the @, but was wondering if you had recommended team for P5P5 lae?

[midnight stirrup]

The same as P0

[fading fog]

ngl I'm really digging the shorter rotation with 1 seal

[midnight stirrup]

[west moon]

Wtf is that pose 💔

[dire nymph]

damn

[manic blade]

I’m so happy I haven’t pulled yvonne yet

[drifting berry]

https://tenor.com/view/chen-endfield-arknights-operator-mad-gif-4553098702845494171

[fading fog]

it shaves off 2 last rite skills

[west moon]

I'm pulling it so good

[unreal light]

Let all Yvonne non-Wanters be Yvonne non-Havers

[thorn shore]

last rite yvonne team

https://tenor.com/view/jimmy-butler-confused-jimmy-butler-confused-eye-squint-gif-12144635464811342257

[manic blade]

wtf 😭

[fading fog]

yea? last rite is the best applicator

[proud vector]

LR exploitation

[midnight stirrup]

Yvonne gooner bait pro max

[edgy crater]

u mean lr 3 op team lol

[fading fog]

also her ult still deals a shitton of dmg

[midnight stirrup]

shhhh

[manic blade]

https://tenor.com/view/surtr-arknights-just-use-surtr-gif-24975177

[midnight stirrup]

dont say anything

[proud vector]

[midnight stirrup]

let the blind lead the blind

[proud vector]

[midnight stirrup]

https://giphy.com/gifs/endfield-last-rite-d4wx9GXUBYYcPAic41

[thorn shore]

i say we tar and feather them for not running meta

[proud vector]

naw it ain’t about that

[midnight stirrup]

Kthree

shhh

[proud vector]

Just a byproduct of how energy interacts with ——

But but but

Knowledge is meant to be spread

[midnight stirrup]

Theyre not gonna take it anyway

[fading fog]

I know last rite doesn't gain energy if she doesn't consume

[edgy crater]

just split them lol

from the lr yvonne team footage, lr either be wulf or cllaped yvonne

[manic blade]

Just reroll yvon accts

[sly nymph]

was healer mandatory for the new gamemode in beta

[midnight stirrup]

Yes

According to beta players AI died

[manic blade]

Ember meta

[proud vector]

LR does gain energy in fact even if she doesn’t consume, the baseline combo skill gives some

You kinda have to steal it from her during the long animation

but it’s still very painful for the LR as her rotation is slowed down significantly

Or she needs a heck load more energy%

[midnight stirrup]

[proud vector]

(45 base +15 for every cyro consumed)

[edgy crater]

just turn ur ardel as sub dps lol

int + ulti gain == spam ulti for mob

[fading fog]

I'm not even proccing her combo because I don't need to consume 3 stacks ever with a seal

[proud vector]

Hence the comp is LR exploitation

[proud vector]

[fading fog]

I consume 2 then 1

that's enough for yvonne's ult

[edgy crater]

just use alesh then lol

rng those fishes

[normal tangle]

i am both an yvonne non-wanter and an yvonne haver

:(

[proud vector]

pepper cat was right all along….

[fading fog]

And how exactly would alesh replace last rite? doesn't he consume cryo rather than inflict it?

[drifting berry]

idk the same irrational I have towards Catcher also applies to Alesh for me

[midnight stirrup]

Chat highkey fell off

[warm galleon]

As long as you don't use his skill he won't consume it

[drifting berry]

Alesh consumes only on skill I think? you just don't use the skill

[fading fog]

that still doesn't answer how I'd be applying cryo without last rite's skill

[ivory widget]

His ult.

[edgy crater]

xaihi

n yeah, alesh ulti

[fading fog]

3 xaihi skills and 1 alsesh ult doesn't sound very efficient

I need to consume 3 cryo total with yvonne and then still have 1 more for corrosion with gilberta's ult

like sure it's possible but it's so much slower because every xaihi skill will take 2 finishing attacks

rather than 1

[sly nymph]

how tf am i supposed to fit a healer on phys

[warm galleon]

If you have LR just build her instead of Yvonne or let LR consume the stacks instead of yvonne, just faster clear time tbh.

[fading fog]

so we literally ended up at a "just don't play yvonne lmfaooo"

aight

[warm galleon]

You can but just give the stacks to LR

[midnight stirrup]

Well yeah

If youre gonna run Yvonne rn, youre gonna have to deal with cope or follow the team given in the guide.

[ivory widget]

Depends on comp but probably doesn't realistically matter. You don't really have a lot of shatter options to make use of Yvonne's solidify spam atm.

[midnight stirrup]

Just run perlica xaihi and gilberta and keep it pushing

[edgy crater]

https://www.bilibili.com/video/BV1FJfRBNEqn/?spm_id_from=333.337.search-card.all.click

[warm galleon]

The person above is the one asking for Alesh replacing LR, so yah go talk to them

[proud vector]

Honestly using LR as a subdps to Yvonne isn’t even that bad

But you really do have to make sure you are properly triggering her combo skill

[warm galleon]

It's not

[edgy crater]

its reverse lmao, u end up using yvonne as sub dps on 3 op lr team

[proud vector]

Ok rotation wise

[warm galleon]

Just saying let LR do the consumption instead

[proud vector]

Damage wise it’s iffy

[edgy crater]

theres no way u gonna call lr sub dps when she outdamage yvonne dps

[proud vector]

Urgh 16x2 + 45 =77
Meaning with 56~% energy gen LR can ult after 4 bs and 2 cs (no cyro eaten)

One can cede cyro stacks to Yvonne without destroying LR’s rotation

[warm galleon]

I'm a healer main so yvonne's force swap during ult is a no no

[ivory widget]

I was just saying it probably doesn't really matter if both are built. Are people struggling to clear trims with Yvonne + LR?

You can probably mess up your rotations and still clear it lol.

[proud vector]

If you DONT have LR signature and somehow have Yvonne though

Ergh it’s still quite oof

[edgy crater]

then she end up as wulf lmao

[warm galleon]

You can go random bs go and still clear

[proud vector]

But it is how you get Yvoone to coexist with LR

[edgy crater]

coexist more like parasite

[proud vector]

If parasite is cute would you keep it

[ivory widget]

If someone is spreading Yvonne propaganda as her being better than LR we have problems, but Yvonne + LR is fine

[drifting quest]

"Fine"

[ivory widget]

Fine as in trivializing the same content other comps are running, yeah.

[drifting quest]

All content is trivial

Does not make lr yvonne good

[peak void]

would u love me if i was a worm ahh

[drifting quest]

Especially through the lens of a tc channel its just a non existent team

[ivory widget]

What is the artificial bar of 'good' being drawn at? 30 second kills?

[peak void]

Catcher can solo rhodagn so he must be good

[drifting quest]

Being competent compared to other standard teams

[proud vector]

Actually how far ahead is LR hypercarry over Yvonne

Does not having LR sig change anything

[ivory widget]

I don't mind setting actual boundaries for qualifications

[drifting quest]

How do you compare walking to driving

[proud vector]

Damn is it over double

[warm galleon]

Yvonne lacks actual support so like double or triple on time

If support ever comes LR might steal it.

[dire owl]

pretty far and yeah LR wants her sig

[burnt sigil]

Perlica has a GPS signal in her eye. Means she knows where you live

[ivory widget]

Okay but how does that manifest in actual gameplay

Give actual bars to set

[drifting quest]

One clears very fast without caveats
The other clears very slow with caveats

[ivory widget]

Slow as in what times?

[burnt sigil]

I agree with you.

[ivory widget]

And what parameters set for each team?

[drifting quest]

3? 4? Minutes

As opposed to the 1-2 consistent times for hyper

[ivory widget]

With parameters being equal between both comparisons?

[drifting quest]

No because how do you equalize these things

The units are built completely differently

[proud vector]

As far as they can be, if you can run a proper Yvonne LR team you have the characters already for LR hyper

[drifting quest]

The supports differ in build

They are two entirely different teams that play entirely differently

[ivory widget]

It's not a matter of how, it's a matter of why would you compare hyper optimized teams against another team with minimal investment

[drifting quest]

If anything the yvonne lr needs more optimization

[proud vector]

…
LR hyper is hyper optimised?

[drifting quest]

Its higher investment

[ivory widget]

To be clear here I'm not saying Yvonne is equal to LR

[proud vector]

It’s just Xaihi LR LR repeat lol

[ivory widget]

I'm just questioning the bar people are using for "good"

[drifting quest]

Relative comparisons

[ivory widget]

Not "broken"

[drifting quest]

Nothing else has meaning

[drifting berry]

They need to buff Gilberta fr, there's no way her skill cannot group the shield guys

[drifting quest]

See level 1 catcher soloing all content

Even the bar to trim recrisis does not exist

[ivory widget]

I know it's relative which is why I asked for your own metrics and if they were biased at all

[proud vector]

I think the point of contention is that a team being ‘good’ or not is not a recommendation to never build that team

[dire owl]

trim = investment, not good lol

[edgy crater]

aint they do on next update? something bout shielder can be shift

[drifting quest]

No more than is a consequence of the game

Sheeting, practical gameplay, existing clears, speedruns, etc etc

[proud vector]

language is such a fickle thing

[dire owl]

put the succ on the shield boys and bring everyone else to them, thats what i been doin

[edgy crater]

w8, sheeting counting yvonne sig weap?

[drifting berry]

Yeah, but then the shield guys target Akekuri 2 screens away

[drifting quest]

Yes

[edgy crater]

[drifting quest]

She kinds needs the wep

The rest are mid as fuck

[edgy crater]

damn lol

[dire owl]

not if youre actively punching them in the face

[keen ore]

Sir, a third Fluorite trim. Pentagon this time.

https://youtu.be/SRociiQYiR0?si=4eCiPDUGXGXHswgH

[vestal turtle]

At what time does the endgame drop tomorrow again

[proud vector]

tbh signature being a power spike is true for both Yvonne and LR lol

[drifting quest]

En catching up to cn

What other clears is en missing

Catcher? Akekuri dps?

Arclight

[ivory widget]

Which is fair, but that's why I asked for the level of investment for each team being used to see if they were consistent between each team when comparing 4 minute and 1 minute times

[drifting quest]

Yvonne teams with more investment have slower clears on average than lower investment lr comparisons

That is to say hyper vs hyper

[proud vector]

Yvonne would unironically be worse if that was the case

[ivory widget]

Yes, as I openly states multiple times LR is strictly better

I'm just questioning how much slower it actually is, that's all.

[drifting quest]

As said

Easily double, to triple, to even 4x the length

[proud vector]

1-2 minutes slower (on a 1-2 minute clear) from live data on bosses

[dire owl]

idk bro, its a game, at the end of the day the point is to have fun. if yvonne is what you have fun with, why let the meta deter you from it? nothing in this gamme is going to be challenging at this stage regardless

[ivory widget]

I have a hard time believing that if both teams are fully optimized, but I'll take your word for it

[ivory widget]

Got a link to the data?

[proud vector]

LR is pretty dang strong ngl

[drifting quest]

You remove a buff source yvonne desperately needs to not even stack faster, slow down ult

[ivory widget]

Oh yeah she's amazing lol, I just have a hard time believing minmaxed Yvonne is taking 4 minutes on recrisis

[proud vector]

Difficult, I suppose, for me to procure it with similar investment levels

[dire owl]

silly strong. im getting ever closer to that 1.2 mil crit with my current build

[proud vector]

Huh

[fathom spear]

no way 4 mins bro what, still trimmable, but she is still weak

[proud vector]

I can’t find a single YouTube video with a cursory google search of Yvonne recrisis trim

[ivory widget]

That's what I was told

[proud vector]

am I just searching badly??

[drifting quest]

Bilibili is the place for clears

Some x10 to x50 the clear count

[edgy crater]

i think the one who did it using lr, basically carried by her

[drifting quest]

More, maybe

[amber vapor]

CN players live and breath gachas and have a much higher active population of players

[drifting quest]

The fastest yvonne trim is a lr 3op yes

[fathom spear]

yeah cause they just hate yvonne, any functionable or semi functionable team in this game is trimmable

[ivory widget]

I mean the context was a Yvonne + LR setup lol

[proud vector]

Argh Bilibili is hard for me to navigate

[drifting quest]

Fastest fluorite/ember/catcher/etc trim too

They did one for every char

[amber vapor]

Catcher players are just playing diet sekiro

[drifting quest]

Bunch of speedrun records owned by them

[edgy crater]

w8, so dat 1m lr damage really the current fastest team dat featured yonne?

[drifting quest]

Yes

[edgy crater]

bruh

[drifting quest]

She contributes a whole 1(? Might not even get 1 in) basic attack

[proud vector]

Jeez

What’s the fastest with Yvonne consuming cyro stacks

[edgy crater]

more like yvonne sub dps dat end up as tentacles killer

[grave flame]

is there video of that clear xD

[warm galleon]

That's why I recommend to let LR do the consumption instead of Yvonne

[drifting quest]

There's that p5 yvonne player who has like 1:20 triagg

[proud vector]

p5

Ouch

[warm galleon]

No p5 sig yet

[dire owl]

oh @drifting quest whats your thoughts on akekuri over ard in LR comps?

[drifting quest]

Should just be better

Easier rot, cleaner 2nd+ rot and fatter nuke

[proud vector]

Link 20% that goated?

[drifting quest]

Plus thermite + her own atk buff

[proud vector]

Well it is multiplicative on top of the 4+ other multiplicative buffs in the comp

[warm galleon]

The link sword too

[proud vector]

[drifting quest]

Depending on stanza distribution ardelia can maybe make bigger numbers, esp with m3 skill

[proud vector]

that said, Perlica electrification that good huh?

[drifting quest]

Free buff, pretty big one at that

Plus stanzage

[dire owl]

so comparison of LR/Xai/Ake/Perli vs LR/Xai/Ard/Perli, Ard has better damage potential but Ake is more comfy for SP gen? if im understanding correctly

this is assuming p1 Ard with her sig

[drifting quest]

Depends on investment

[proud vector]

oh atk%

Yeah ok

[edgy crater]

https://www.bilibili.com/video/BV1tvcMzsEfi/?fbclid=IwdGRjcAP4r1ZjbGNrA_ivUmV4dG4DYWVtAjExAHNydGMGYXBwX2lkDDM1MDY4NTUzMTcyOAABHhYmG5lfOo3VtBGM4baFpvdPlsnbNJ_bzl1XX1TCJCKdFVwFWH4N9t9jH0Xm_aem_pXMgxjc6MYPKKd843T8xOw

this one i think?

[drifting quest]

Like p5 stanza perlica? Ard should be higher

No stanza then ake provides more

[dusk zenith]

if i already have a partially artificed aethertech set for endmin is it worth making the switch to swordmancer

[ivory widget]

Nah it's fine, honestly not a big deal, I still agree with everyone on the principle of what's actually objectively the strongest

[dire owl]

ok, in my testing thats what i was getting. i tested both and Ard was giving overall higher damage if you did the rotations right, but sp can get clunky if the fight goes long without any breaks in the rotation

[grave flame]

i mean video of Lr team with yvone where lr do all the damage

[drifting quest]

P5 yvonne outdamaged by last rite in her own team

And without even combo attack

Cinema, truly

[proud vector]

oh lord

[edgy crater]

it, around 01:08

cant see 1st slash, but 2nd 300k n last 400k

[ivory widget]

1st slash should be same value if it was in the buff window

[gritty olive]

in a laev team if i replace arde wit gilb how would rots change?

[edgy crater]

technically yeah but need to see with my eyes to say it

[gritty olive]

gilb cant apply corrosion so what gives

[ivory widget]

Fair lol, but yeah the run would've objectively been slower if he consumed with Yvonne instead but I don't think it would've added +1-2 minutes

Unless the boss went invuln phase

[edgy crater]

cant say bout the timer, but its should be sloower lol

[ivory widget]

Oh 100% no doubt

Appreciate you digging for the video

[edgy crater]

its not from me lol, someone already post it here/ on #team-build few days ago

[ivory widget]

Fair haha

[proud vector]

it takes a lot of bite out of LR combo skill

And delays her ult so

I can see where the loss may come from?

[grave flame]

why use Perlica as onfield char for that 'speedrun'?

https://www.bilibili.com/video/BV1bfFUzTEBj?vd_source=df59a6cd1d32778e797716562619d9cc

[proud vector]

It’s a lot slower than it feels but I guess it’s possible? Maybe the team can be refined greatly but then again

It’s lower ceiling

[astral walrus]

Has anyone tested arts intensity on lifeng? Is the dmg increase to lift worth it?

I feel like he’s so saturated with dmg % it might be better

[ivory widget]

Yep you'd absolutely lose time there, I was just saying relatively it would still probably trim anyways and that LR + Yvonne qualifies as good based on current content metrics

Is pure LR team faster on marble?

[proud vector]

It’s pretty damn quick from what I remember

But that might also be because whale level investment LR deletes the boss LOL

[edgy crater]

aint someone already solo lr on marble trimmed lol

[ivory widget]

I thought it was, just curious if they were just limit testing Yvonne

[ivory widget]

Fair, completely different game at a certain point

[proud vector]

P4 LR is pretty scary, ult in 1 rotation… is possible but not sure on optimal

[ivory widget]

Regardless, still impressive considering we have no double cryo stack operators yet haha

Only up from here

[proud vector]

oh jeez

Having a double application operator that doesn’t have a 40s cooldown is

Going to do some things huh

[dire owl]

its not optimal

as a p5 LR user i can confirm lol

[fringe dirge]

When people say that SP returned doesn't count towards ult gen, what does that even mean? Does the sp used not generate 6.5 ult energy?

[proud vector]

sadness

[proud vector]

SP returned specifically does not generate on use

[grave flame]

how you tested it?

[proud vector]

So if you consume 30 returned and 70 natural you generate only 70 * 0.065

[dire owl]

she cant gen ult outside of her own skills, so you need 2 rotations

[fringe dirge]

And that's for the whole team?
So a last Rite Battle does not generate 6.5 energy but rather 4.55?

[proud vector]

Or a healthy dose of energy% which takes away from other stats I guess

Ye

It’s basically so they don’t become way better ult gen than other skills

You still only pay ‘70’ sp for it after all

[grave flame]

but you can build ultimate gain efficency?

[dire owl]

at the cost of losing all her stats sure

[fringe dirge]

At the detriment of your damage

[grave flame]

how much does she need to ult after every combo?

[proud vector]

Tbh Xaihi LR LR LR 4 stack at p4 only needs 37% no?

[fringe dirge]

Until they make a better ult gen set, it's not worth it

[proud vector]

Or is 204 not the new cap after p4

[fringe dirge]

Idk I just put my Xaihi on full Xiranite set and she works

[gritty olive]

can someone give me a gilberta laev wulf akekuri rotation assuming 0 energy start

i cant fathom how it would be more powerful over ardelia

[fringe dirge]

Same with Fluorite

[dire owl]

your question could be read in multiple ways, can you please clarify what it is youre asking?

[gritty olive]

how much energy regen does she need to ult after every combo

[dire owl]

not trying to be a dick i just want to answer correctly lol

[proud vector]

Depends on the combo

The standard Xaihi LR LR p4 needs like 77?%

[fringe dirge]

If the thing about ult gen on LR battle skill is true then I need to redo my spreadsheet....

[proud vector]

Xaihi LR LR LR 4 stack is 37%? But delays your combo skill unless you do some wacky shenadigans that are definitely not optimal

[fringe dirge]

I find that rather than build Energy regen on LR, I just slot Flourite on the team to get 4 cryo stacks while maintaining rotation

[grave flame]

how much ult gain efficiency you need to ult everytime at p4

[proud vector]

Either 77% or 37%

If you add in Flourite I guess a Xaihi LR LR rotation needs 54%?

But then Flourite goes on cooldown for a long ass time

[dire owl]

one rotation to combo gets you about halfway iirc, it takes two full rotations to get the energy back, so id imagine close to 100%

[fringe dirge]

Flourite can properly cycle if built for ult gen

Just alternate between combo and ult

[dire owl]

but to be fair im not investing in the gear just to test it fully

and your damage output would be way lower

[proud vector]

Uh.

A Xaihi LR LR rotation takes you 10 seconds and generates only 15.6 ultimate energy for the team…?

good… good luck having enough ultimate gen to cover that…?

[fringe dirge]

I literally do?

[proud vector]

What, P4 LR ulting on every rotation?

Oh you mean p0 standard

[fringe dirge]

Oh hell no, I'm just talking about Flourite

[grave flame]

You need to swap the chest and gloves to Tidefall Light Armor and Lynx Gloves. That doesn’t really look like an ‘all her damage’ trade-off

[proud vector]

We talking different setups haha

Yeah Flourite can tag into the standard rotation fine

[fringe dirge]

Flourite can apply the 4th cryo every rotation if she's built for ult gen. Hence why I said she just alternates between combo and ult

[grave flame]

after every combo skill at 4 stacks, if you have ult eff for that

[dire owl]

give it a shot by all means, lemme know how well it does

[proud vector]

ya’ll are intersecting conversations

… and are also kinda underestimating how much damage the supports bring to the table for any Flourite shenadigans

Perlica P5 stanza is kinda well

jeez
Same to thermite Akekuri

[grave flame]

I don’t have p4 yet, only p3, so I can’t. But yeah, that was the idea. I thought you tested it already

[dire owl]

i can slap some non artificed gear on her with ult gain and see what it looks like right quick

[fringe dirge]

At p0 at least
Way I see it, you either tank Last Rite damage by building her for ult gen
Tank support buffs by slotting in Fluorite
Or tank rotation speed by adding another LR battle

[proud vector]

It’s the 37% breakpoint with Xaihi LR3x yes?

Or alternatively just do the standard Xaihi LR LR combo repeat for p0

it’s still damn good lmao

[edgy crater]

at non p3, 1 rotation can only get like 60-ish%

[proud vector]

6* Flourite will revolutionise p4 LR

But alas that’s way too many P and a 6* Flourite away

[dire owl]

with this one rotation gave about 75% ult back after one combo rotation

[proud vector]

Was this Xaihi LR LR combo

[dire owl]

yeah

[proud vector]

For 37% ER you’d need Xaihi LR LR LR 4 stack combo

Which has the problem of delaying combo skill

[dire owl]

and the damage was noticeably lower

[grave flame]

you need to do 3 bskill's and 1 combo skill with 4 stacks. So that's 48 + 100 energy. And ult require 204 energy, so you need 37.8% ult eff for it to work. So you need to artifice it few times

[proud vector]

The STR loss is pain

[dire owl]

at that point your losing damage by delaying combo anyways. sometimes the juice aint worth the squeeze

[fringe dirge]

Wait til we get an ult gain support that works on Strikers

Gilberta works for guards, casters, and supporters

[proud vector]

I’m surprised that the damage was noticeably lower

Only the chest and gloves changed huh?

[fringe dirge]

The chest is the greatest source of stat

[dire owl]

my atk went down like 600 just off swapping chest and gloves

[sleek nova]

anyone has calculation of p0 vs p5 yvonne sig?
I have p5 wedge and considering sig if it's far stronger

[proud vector]

Yeah fair ouch

[fringe dirge]

The difference is even more at max artificing

[grave flame]

Well, you get to use your ult more often, so I’m not sure, it might be worth it, or it might not

[proud vector]

wait

The STEW

We don’t need ER if we STEW IT UP

[edgy crater]

volc, which chest u swap again?

[fringe dirge]

You can't use food buffs in Umbral Monument

[dire owl]

like i said by all means give it a shot once you have p3

[proud vector]

But you can to speedrun trims!

[dire owl]

like what do i normally run?

[edgy crater]

ye

cause when i try swap from aether to frontier, i lose 200atk lol

[grave flame]

P4, yeah, I’ll try it. Maybe someone will also make some sims or calculations for it

[dire owl]

standard LR gear as far as im aware, nothing special

[edgy crater]

well same

[fringe dirge]

Yep that's what I use

[proud vector]

Tis the standard

Makes sense

[dire owl]

youre also losing out on the tide set bonus which adds 20% skill damage

[proud vector]

Don’t you have tide chest

[dire owl]

and +35% arts damage after applying 2 stacks

[proud vector]

• the two modules for 3 set

[ivory widget]

Don't have the exact calcs, but her signature is only stronger in fights that you use her battle skill at least 3 or more times

[dire owl]

gloves are better than chest for tide set

on LR*

[shut cobalt]

wait, its already out?

[edgy crater]

tide chest kinda meh on lr

[proud vector]

Yeah what I mean is you don’t sacrifice the tide set bonus to go 37.8% ER

You lose the str and that hurts a bit though

[fringe dirge]

You're just sacrificing str

[dry kindle]

P5 wedge basically = p0 sig

[dire owl]

but if youre doing 2 rotations anyways you dont need the ult gen

[grave flame]

that's about p4 and 1 rot ult

[proud vector]

Exactly

[edgy crater]

oh p4, yeah cant tell, still p2

[proud vector]

let a man dream of a 1 rot ok

[fringe dirge]

That's why the ult gen discussion only matters for if you're trying to make her 1 rot

Which I think is not worth it

[dire owl]

im not trying to dissuade anyone from doing it, just presenting the facts lol

[proud vector]

well

For p3 and lower we need a lick of it

You fall slightly short on Xaihi 2x LR 4x 6 cyro

234

Just press an extra battle skill i guess lol

[dire owl]

honestly i got super lucky and had p4 super early on so i dont remember what rotations were like without it lmao

[proud vector]

P4*

[fringe dirge]

6 energy off 😭

[proud vector]

your entitlement sickens me

[dire owl]

thats what i meant lol

[proud vector]

Joking aside

[fringe dirge]

I just slotted in Flourite

[dire owl]

i got p5 cuz of the free thing

[fringe dirge]

So I don't have to think about it

If I get P4 then I can think about using Perlica instead

[proud vector]

It’s not really worth slotting Flourite in compared to the gigs buffs Perlica, Ardelia and Akekuri can give

[fringe dirge]

Perlica is better than Akekuri is she?

[proud vector]

very sad I know

[dire owl]

if you have stanza perlica is better than flourite

[proud vector]

With p5 stanza and its 22% atk buff she does a lot

[dire owl]

even at p0 LR

[fringe dirge]

I have P0 stanza

[proud vector]

mostly cuz Flourite doesn’t actually buff damage beyond cyro infliction

And Perlica can match the ult dump damage with her rock from space

[dire owl]

stanza the more copies you get the better the passive is

[ivory widget]

P0 yvonne sig doesn't start at 3 stacks

[proud vector]

And don’t underestimate Akekuri’s synergy with thermite cutter

Girl triggers both stacks of it on ult (and pretty sure combo skill too)

plus the bonus SP is handy af

[gritty olive]

how do i work out a team of gilberta + akekuri + laevatain + wulf/antal

[shut cobalt]

uhh, does this mean that this is trash now? (talking about the notes saying "its an ugly timeline")

[gritty olive]

i cant fo rthe love of myself know how to maanage that team

[dire owl]

the difference is pretty substantial on stanza dupes

[dry kindle]

Cool

And

[dire owl]

swap gilb for ard and the team is much easier to manage. gilb adds a lot of complexity to the rotations

[ivory widget]

How is 48% cryo damage after first battle skill comparable to 100.8% cryo after first battle skill? Or 70.4% after second battle skill?

[gritty olive]

this is for actual #theorycrafting business since im doing simulations

[ivory widget]

Are you starting a fight by using Yvonne battle skill 3 times in a row?

[dire owl]

ohhhhhh, thought you were asking for advice mb

[gritty olive]

until no one gives me a proper answer im gonna relapse and do my physics probset