#theorycrafting
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is that even reachable?
noted, thanks
the max is like just shy of 150%
with some artificing or slightly suboptimal gear yeah
Xaihi requiring using both her cubes to get Combo Skill a bug or mistranslation?
so need to max the artificing right? im using the built on the pin
depends on your wep too
what is that second best option called, i forget
but for the meantime, you can't go wrong with artificing gloves first
it's ok to be a little bit below
does tidefall help any ult breakpoints at p4 like one less team skill?
even with endmin it shouldnt be that bad
wait all this time we've been able to do stock redistribution and and outpost trade without walking there in person???
😭
(Y)es
im just a little mentally slow
maybe its because i have skill issue, i only play this team for 30 minute so
the game just started and we already close to lvl 60 of bp. gonna farm these till the end of the patch. i hope we can get some arsenal tickets from there
I like the UI overall but I wish it took less button presses to get to certain parts of the menu
At this point ive learned it but still isn't that good lol
the ui is like fine for the most part but has some small issues in some places
yeah... pretty convenient huh LOL
oh nvm it's shit
from what i experience, the rotation is like, lifeng skill chen combo endmin skill lifeng skill lifeng skill and then pog breach for the opener, and follow that up with pog ult,chen ult, lifeng skill chen combo endmin combo endmin ult lifeng combo lifeng ult and finished it off with crush from endmin? is this right?

question, why is last rite hard to play optimally?
either tcred or insp set pleaee
she is? 
i dont want to do this again so much
the actual gameplay isn't so hard
the investment to get the point where the gameplay works as intended is expensive
annoying
didnt they change it
from cbt
i heard it was a bad quest in cbt but is good now
why does he say its t1 or t1.5 in the hands of a not very good pilot then?
i assume that means player issue not invesment issue
my issue with phys team, they are so expensive
why don't you open with endmin skill to get 1st vuln?
again, can I ask why we breach at 4 stacks instead of like 3 stacks (at most)?
wdym? 20% chance to get 30 rubies is PEAK. after hitting that 20% 10 times, you'll have HALF of a pull!!!
requires knowing the limits and bosses, lining up buffs properly at the right times, etc.
changing first lifeng skill with endmin?
phys susc
ah, got it thanks
oh yeah,but p1 can fix that
we got phys suscept or whatever it called from lifeng skill, which decreases the enemy phys resist or whatever
i did it on other acc and dont wanna do again
i mean if you use endmin skill 1st you get 1 stack of vuln cause it can't consume anything
i just like seeing lifeng skill, and maybe for ult gain or something that can be explain, yeah i just like seeing lifeng showing off his skill
lifeng also give 1 vulne stack tho?
i play only 1
its that i got to lv 50
then decided to reroll
oh wait. i never knew his susceptibilites can stack
wait he's p1 is even better now
omg
Whats the actual rotation of the mono phys cause one person is saying skill with endmin and another says skill with lifeng
do we have smh summary for phys team?
what charra (and whats their role), what weapon, what sets?
im opted to use lifeng skill than endmin
you can just stack it up to 3 times for total of 42%
thats what i figured it was
it's insane. hail to lifeng
actually wait a second.
breach opener for pog even at 1 stack p0 can reach 1 stack fervent morale
yeah and that's why im using it 3 time for my rotation (idk about that before lmao)
seriously, i feel like we shouldn't breach at 4 vuln
but it's tied to 12 seconds. you need to burst the boss in that window
doesn't ur breach duration increases the more stack u consume?
anybody?
a tldr of phys team
#team-build pin
feel like its a cool thing to do after sutr
nvm i found the issue
this isn't in the game tooltip but if you look at the database
makes sens
i was confused because i was only looking at the game's tooltips
ty for continously asking cause some of these nerds will go adhd mode and literally perpetually ignore you
gimme tcred
oh with 3 crowns p1 lifeng can provide up to 51% of Physical Susceptibility
isn't that broken?
in #team-build there is a pinned chat with teambuilding that includes phys
sorry i was nerding out over breach
I mean it's the theorycrafting channel lol
whenever opal is back ill ask about getting some stuff pinned here i guess
swordmancer lifeng beat aethertech lifeng?
something something wants all in one doc before pinning here
m2 are expensive af
even my laeva only got her ult as m3 rn, its really expensive
solo chen is fun as hell
so how you can make a perfect rotation to fit in lifeng 51% Physical Susceptibility stacks with pog breach and finish it with huge endmin crush.
in 12 seconds window
ita fun to play phys for sure, until u forgot how to dodge or even miss lifeng skill by canceling it urself lmao
pray
in a gacha cycle it should be better over time but it sucks how hard it is to max operators rn
1.0 genshin or wuwa is more haeder to maxout any team tbh
the true combo for mid-fight phys is: lifeng BS -> cancel lifeng skill with lifeng CS -> esc -> exit battle
we are lucky laeva doesnt need her teammate level up to 80 to perform
i have one but i havent kept it updated
yeah hypercarry comp is nice u can just leave everyone at 80
i mean to be fair it's better than arknights which uh took an insane amount of time on release because we were hard sanity gated
yeah one cancel on lifeng mean one reset
Laevatain kind of reminds me of Noelle from early Genshin except her damage is actually good. 
or 60 even
as long as u get that e3
i have my team at 60 pretty much for laev
im more related to her being diluc
as he is kinda strong in 1.0
how is ginseng supposed to be the best food with 180 atk? When jakubs gives 1.2k atk to my surtr. Or how does the math work on ginseng?
hail lord jakub the founder of agartha
also farmable infinitely
I also believe in crit supremacy
it just takes PLOT FARMS I HATE GINSENG
btw, how do we get ginseng? i never done ingredient farming before
ginseng recieves all attack% bonuses you have
that 15% crit will do nothing
buy seeds -> plant and get sprinklers -> wait 12 hours to germinate and then harvest and replant
if jakubs gives you more actual attack then run it
but for most people ginseng should mean more
where do we buy seeds?
I see, I guess 180 is a lot when weapons give 510
wuling agricultural farm has an npc that sells seeds
it adds up i guess unless you are speedrunning rhodagan
he has 5x ginseng which should get you running
aight then, need it for medal farm later on
u can throw those in a seeder right?
there's a ginseng plant right outside
maybe enough oroberyls to eventually get.m a team of 6 stars 
just remove endfieldtools and put enka
, and iirc there was something that wasnt linking properly but i forgor
btw chat, the maintenance will happen at 8:00 on the usual timezone right? so its 8 hour after daily reset or what?
what's wrong with endfieldtools? or does enka just have the same stuff right now
last i saw enka was only aic planner
endfieldtools essence planner is a little broken
ah
i cut prydwen too
not really needed here between outdated info and the link
see pins in #team-build
the essence list is broken so i guess ill upload it to a third party
prydwen shouldve just pretended they were angry with the top up drama like how they pretended they were angry with the gfl2 gacha skin just to have an excuse to not cover the game anymore. their evalutations are so cooked 50% of the time
it's mostly right but some inaccuracy like being able to farm adrelia weapon with clannibal
how much difference between panda p5 and endmin p2
in phys (chen/pog/lingyang)
we cant be calling him lingyang bro
is there any better third party host for most people than imgur
there's a bunch but each one has its own issues
github
can i run multiple eternal xiranite in one team?
yes but their effects will not stack, only reset the timer
i can see endmin shining over panda once your gear is overall all artificed across the board but that'll be in a world where you have too much vuln
These last levels are hard af 
i'm not sure if it's this one at the moment tbh
can we get
https://docs.google.com/document/d/1U-7OOoAkw1FVuHj_9SJsuKLHbF-XPFQZo7r6QpaQ7GI/edit?tab=t.0
pinned for convenience?
idk if any links to external sources might fall foul of the rules but I can delete if specific ones cause issues
panda is simple because it's 0 sp consumer and his ult also applies 2 stack vuln
not much thought in rotation
9/9 detonate :sure 👀
no im serious
im asking how much difference
bc if p2 endmin is bit weaker than p0 panda
id go endmin, since p3-p5 will close that gap long-term then
i didnt spend anything (yet)
i mean i spend everysingle pull i got on the weapon
i got no other weapons expect Oblivion
low, its so sad she doesnt get hyperarmor on enhanced final strike
similar to sutr
if you aren't ult eff artificed then probably p0 panda is better just because of vuln consumption issues
i dont know the issues
but i dont mind slightly weaker team now, if long term it will be better
also andmin cuter
end game they're probably similar
fake screenshot
i don't know because i don't really have endmin raised so that's just me assuming a lot
I'll have to talk to the guys about this

all good
by long term i mean future patches too
at worst it'd be nice to just have iana's doc here

how should we know? lol
to not have to change channel to direct people to it
i screen share u np
we don't even know what endmin's p3-5 is
so anything could change really
future proofing is gonna be kinda impossible at this point of the game
prerecorder 
I'll just do that for now then
which makes it gambling
gambling is good
endmin is gambling
endmin is good
and get back to you on the other thing
no rush
i rush
i still have a lot of artificing to do
Those intellect stats on the 2 kits will consume your sanity
the point is that the extra ult gain does nothing
TT
It tickles the brain
how could i know
have you ever gambled with FOUR INTELLECT ON THE LINE?

me just want artifice to maxi
that's like a solid 6 attack or something
Currently gambling with 4 intellect on the line
either that or dreading thinking about trying to trim triangle boss
you get: 4 intellect
i get: all of your wuling bucks
I've been fairly lucky though, or feels like it. Hit a fair few early artifices.
fidget spinner trim is fun (read: suffering)
I'm already done gambling on it
I'm at 22/40 on the last intellect and then only last pip on strength is left on gauntlet and my Lavacake is done
I have 4 intelect
Damn, just hit it
Whel
Does lift/knockdown work off a base attack modifier?
I've only got 4 strength left to gain from artificing, and my OCD can relax
I won't bother with strength
or is it based off the skill dmg % itself?
I'd rather just save the rest for another character
what else do i spend them on
You don't like the full blue indicator for fully artificed gear?
efficiency is temporary, full maxing your character like a freak is forever
I want to try full arts intensity chen for solo but i am super poor so these wuling bucks would set me back a bit if i swap
The rate of acquisition of new 6 star operators is the real bottleneck so no waste in going ham on Laev right now unless you're building multiple teams
I have 2 teams already, and I plan on making a 3rd based on what I get on Angelina's banner
personally just wanted to level strength enough so my attack hits 6k completely unbuffed on laev but i may just say screw it and max out everything apart from useless attributes
if nothing else I'm getting last rite from the selector since she's the only standard I'm missing
I'm going to max out my one team, it satisfies my brain more
I'm fine with supports at 60
I think if I hit one of them I can pity the other with the gel I love gambling
this reminds me of when I played lost ark
it has its own multiplier yes
why is lifeng t1 on prydwen btw. is prydwen just stupid or
and just didn't hit the 5% ever
prydwen is moreso based on cbt info than live info
🔥
so its outdated
id treat the tier lists on prydwen with a huge grain of salt on any game lol
outdated this long is cookeed for someone as big as prydwen tbh
is it derived from the skill that applies lift, or is it just a flat % modifier somewhere?
lifeng and pog are literally the backbone of phys
it has its own ability multiplier
does my dude's Wulfgard's ultimate count as "consumption", because he forcibly Combusts, for Clannibals skill trigger?
you get more accurate info watching iwintolose than keeping up with prydwen, which isnt saying a lot both are terrible but thats how bottom of the barrel we're talking
120% pre level multiplier
I mean a tier list is no less valuable than any other format when the person making it is sufficiently knowledgeable and actually goes through the process of explaining everything in detail but you know
therein lies the issue
ye I'm not sure how accurate any tier list can be atm with literally no real endgame content until the 12th
tier lists cant show nuance + people ignore the nuance if it gets written anyway
thats why we just slam characters against rhodagn and enjoy 
we have re:crisis with 2 minute timer
and even then every character has their place in their teams for specific reasons
Trimmed triangle is endgame enough for my ass
fluorite main dps where would you rank 
We don’t even have the end game content yet, so all tierlist are fake
endgame cutscene edition
i would say people who outright say "all tier lists are stupid" arent getting the picture. its more of a guideline than a bible you take word for word to heart.
all of my evaluations are currently just for trim
the main issues with tierlists are the lack of explanations and indepth analysis of the units/comps
S tier as long as the other 3 units on her team are named last rite xaihi and akekuri and i dont use fluorite for anything but looking pretty
it's just another format
of laying out your thoughts
but people dont treat it as such
There we go all done on Ult gain any point in pushing it a bit further or will I not gain much comfort from it?
people take things at face value
you wont gain much from it
its calculated per rotation
tier lists in themself are like fine
EVERY character?
you will be overcapping
catcher solos are real
You can also encapsulate a lot of information in a tier list. People who want nuance can go read kit reviews and whatnot. Like I look at a tier list, see Laev at top, Catcher at bottom, I can infer quite a few many things from that. It's also very clear there's a team tier list section which strongly reinforces the importance of teambuilding.
normal other gameplay? kind of weird outside of 2 teams
speedrunning? back to like top 3
nuh uh
the gilb graph

pog is in his own tier for open world
cinema
Ok I'll start working on int boosts then.
the electric 12.9s rhodan kill
with like 50s of prior setup
baited so many people
cause the setup is whiffing avy ult, drinking 5x stew meeting
then do that 2 more times
before pulling
peak
pretty much. though i wish their team tier list section had more insight for the listings outside just the changelog and i wish i could see their sources or who's drafting the takes
one million stew meeting
does anyone know if we even get to use food buffs in the upcoming endgame
my react spam is tasteful, timely, and reserved
in normal mode yes
in agony mode it seems not
yay
per some patch notes someone posted here yes
at least based on the official info release
not using food is a blessing in disguise
i should check for them now
less ginseng needed
no food = yvonne nerf
huh ok, if it lets you use them at all my lazy ass gotta start crafting them
yvonne into umbral seems kinda mid in the first place even with food
normalize no food runs
I would but I also plan to get Yvonne's, and my arsenals are kinda stretching thin 
My Jasmine rice farmer ass being happy that I was able to make 7 rice meals yesterday from 56 Jasmine rice
I mean you can expect Umbral to be far easier than trimming simply because the latter is a niche achievement while the former is going to be seen as the "main endgame" and you can trim without food, so you can just mog Umbral too
yvonne seems to be so cooked with everything people has been saying about her whats going on with that limited unit
tc is based around the hardest content we can access because its the only content that isnt baby mode
You have my vote
and she has issues in said content
Tl;Dr: she vastly underperforms compared to other limiteds, especially because of how reliant she is on specific team setups
thats dissapointing to hear if true, i got every trim within 2 attempts so if their supposed endgame is even easier thats a bit boring
Yeah I can see that from the doc and everything. its just so funny they nerfed LR just to make yvonne seem better just for yvonne hypercarry to seemingly get outpaced by an endmin team lol
hopefully they at least make it harder in the future if its that easy on launch
umbral monument will be trivial for you if you can trim
rip...
Idk you're built different then, a normal player like me had to put in a fair bit of effort to get marble trim.
The greatest irony is that LR is low-key a requirement to minmax with Yvonne
this is why we need 3 team content 
well how easy trim is depends on masteries and artificed gear
for example trim 4 days ago was way worse than right now
pretty sure that was the case also before they changed both? so they made the change for seemingly no reason with that information
My team is quite well built but I didn't use any food because it seems way too much of a hassle to farm meat
kunst tube 🔥
A lot of quests will randomly give you good food and sometimes your ops in Dijiang will too

id love 3 team content, maybe a bit rough to implement first patch of the game with how scarce mats are but that would be hella fun
And a lot of the good foods can be bought from distro
not counting on it for a while though, it took years for the mainstream gachas to add content for 3+ teams
I'd be OK with 3 team content about... 6 months from now. That's just me though.
Maybe even longer.
honestly just give trial teams for the first few times
those numbers are crunching me, where wuling similar to that
LOL
or make it so our units scale to a minimum investment
80/80 sl9 or something
The limbus way eh
ZZZ was so nice for that when I did my weeklies
i wish limbus trial teams worked for achievements
i need to spark spice sang and pequod ish for achievements only
wrong! force solo clears
I kind of want to pin this
please do if you can
cinema
it's a beautiful image that embodies #theorycrafting
Nearly there, I figured just going these mushrooms would be the best strat once I reach end-game considering everyone needs them for 90.
Man I really do wish there was a sandbox which let you test all the numbers in game for weps and ops
if anyone asks for help we can refer them to the avywenna stew meeting image
meme pins should exist for a relaxed channel like this

it might help to distance it as a help channel since people tend to ask in help > get ignored > ask in team build > get ignored > ask here
I need a training mode like the one in ZZZ
That would be so helpful
You mean for full combos?
What's the best food rn?
That already exists
too bad game devs in general are allergic to target dummy modes
ginseng stew / legacy
Enlighten me
99% of the time it's ginseng
ginseng meat stew no?
5* and 6* characters that you have pulled have a tutorial
bro.
They force you to do a few specific target moves and then they kick you out
that mode doesnt let you take your own teams/gear in there right?
Yeah they're the bare minimum for sure
unless i blatantly missed something
it's too funny
Oh you meant like fully own gear
Laevatain thinks she's the captain. 
Yeah then something like what DNA has would be great
I'm not going to argue with her.
yeah i think thats what most people want if they want an actual testing zone
Or just be able to practice rotations at my own pace
let it stew there for a while
told to check pins
greeted with that image
Yeah even when I was a tester for the DNA cbt2 there was a sandbox that let you use any character and any wep with them and it was very nice for number crunching
Man every time I use my Yvonne team I feel the urge to swap out my unoptimal Fluorite for Endmin just so that I can shatter
I really want Ardelia's P5 now, I'll have P4 tomorrow. But going for a standard character is risk af considering it's only a 20% pull chance on the standard banner which has poor pull value to begin with. 
It definitely is better to save your free pulls until they add more characters to the pool, unless you really want to get a certain 5* or 6*
Imagine in 6 months when there's more characters in the standard pool and we see a barrage of Ember p5s
wait the dupes actually do something past p1?
(thats substantial)
Depends on your defintion of sustaintal. She's way more comfy as a healer at P3 although putting a value on her healing being 80% better or whatever value you want to call it is always such a subjective thing in games like these. You also get much easier uptime on her debuffs with P5.
In a game where most potentials are bad RN I'd say Ardelia has some of the better ones.
So I screwed up and got rid of Chimeric Justice, but planning on getting Lifeng tomorrow, any ideas on weapons?
mountain bearer
Pray for Thermite Cutter tomorrow. 
hey all ! Can you give me the best build for Wulfgard (Laevatain main dps) please 😄
everyone
maybe not pog at high invest
but his dps is still there
depends on potentials
oh hell nah im cooked with the essences
do them slowly
content can be cleared without
check for temporary purple or golds
then slowly farm out 3/3's while foddering the rest
Other than that?
valiant
yea its fine not like we get much sanity per day anyways
This is all I have
where did all your weapons go
I don't have any?
sir if you only have 3 polarms and two of them are effectively dead on lifeng i'm not sure if you even have a choice
And sorted by Polearms
oh god
Yeah, that's why I'm asking
go farm overworld chests or something man
Overworld chests?
4* weapons can drop from overworld chests
find a pathfinders beacon and then cope
blocked for spam
gg
Great, guess I'm screwed
I still have those two weapon chests, but one of them has Jet in it
if you're including the beginner one it does have valiant but unless you already have a thermite cutter its a rough choice
What are some combo engines available now?
Combos that trigger one after the other
I see the common one is
Chen, then Endmin
Now i just found Perlica and Arclight can do that kinda thing too
Congrats lol
fyi youre not allowed to post pot screenshots outside of gacha channel either
My bad
I got Thermite Cutter
grabbing valiant is an option then, just hold off until its the last thing to do i guess
M3 Ult first right then BSkill
bskill can be more value depending on build
but you want to m6 both
m3 both, m6 total
are there any plans for a community build doc or something like that?
You mean like the pinned one?
it wasn't showing the tabs at the bottom, I thought it was just that one page, my bad
build as in gears?
yes
if I'm using tidefall 2 pyro hot work?
the charge set ults more > more valuable ult
the hot work set skills more per ult > more valuable skill
have we met this character in game yet
is this not a leak or official trailer
forgot
where this from
its in a trailer
which
the mission
is this not Lizhiyan 
Is it 20% when the skill is mastered?
It is
click on the arrow thing
It shows a preview of the next level
I think
the ears gave it away yea
Ardelia mastery 💀
Ah cool did not know that, an yeah it's 20% thank you.
28% with p1 💀
She'll be P5 tomorrow gains to her susceptibility will be a bigger damage boost than the last few skills I'm missing on Laevatain. Should be really easy to keep 100% uptime on her skill with P5.
What the fuck
W dev note
Now I need to decide whether to get Lifeng for my P2R1 Pog, or get P3 Last Rite
Last Rite 
bros richi
im waiting for her to get hiperarmor like sutr
I got P1 LR and Pog P2 while I was still F2P tbh
Never got Ember or Lifeng
or Ardelia
Does ember shield not provide hyper armor?
i got 1 copy of each stard 6 star except pog
- sutr
Theoretical question btw
My Surtr is P5R1
Don't ever waste a slot on ember
My Last Rite P2R3
no idea what aamber does, but doubt it does

whale
Tbf shes P7R1
Ember's combo gives you a shield + HP and her ult gives your whole team shields
Explode
I have ember but have never cared to test how shields work in this game
shield isnt hiperarmor
and last rite could really use it
but instead sutr has it
but lr doesnt
@dry kindle do I get P3 Last Rite or P0 Lifeng since I have Pog
and its so sad
Eh you can just dodge and continue a chain
P5-R2 for me, weapon banner destroyed me. But I'm nolt even playing her yet so no rush. 
By the time I need to dodge in my auto chain the post dodge attack is already a last hit
Wut
(hiper armor for lr final attack if she has skill cast)
hold onto it until you next pull, see if you sack
sutr ult final and ult skill have hyper armor
not sure if sth has it
I mean either way both are good, since I want P5 LR
But idk if Lifeng has more value rn
than P3 LR
Lifeng massive no?
just keep selector then
for what
It's supposed to last the whole year so
for later
Unless you're super desperate for a specific character or potential I'd hold onto it
if you want multiple things then simply hold it
its not like that pot is gonna make any difference atm
are you pulling?
gilb?
yvonne?
1.1-1.2 units?
Very minimal diff yeah
Already got gild off banner
Not pulling Yvonne
mostly that it has no purpose except giving u shiny effect
skipping 1.1 and 1.2?
What is theory crafting
gil and ivonne are both 1.0
idk what banners well be getting
I promise it’s not rage bait I’m being deadass
tangtang, mi fu, fangyi, rossi, lizhiyan and a male sankta
Tangtang, Mi Fu and Leek
I mean what order
But optimization of the ticket aside
Order is unknown just speculation
Whats better
afaik dragon lady from wuling (electro, chain/bounce, buff field, ult that is a buff state)
TANGTANG <3 (GUNS 😭 )
and 1 more
Get premium physical or P3 LR
To be honest the way I looked at it, Gilberta is worse than Ardelia in most situations outside of being paired with Yvonne. But Yvonne is also worse than LR. So I just pulled on the standard banner to max those characters. Now I can just save for 1.1 / 1.2 characters. As Gilberta & especially Yvonne are looking quite mid. Gilbeta may become decent but that's about all I can see. 
Vertical mobility is always better than horizontal mobility in a game about team building imo
As a Genshin player you should know Gilberta will see value overtime
wtf is vertical mobility
just like venti
you mean vertical investment?
Yeah mobility/investment
Maybe, but Laevatain kinda covers most of my AoE needs?
mobility refers to a teams ability to change over time
horizontal mobility would be swapping out units for new ones
vertical mobility would be being able to further support vertical investment
Pull gilberta because she can use stanza ez
both him and gilberta relay on cc that can be applied to lesserr mobs and grouping of them
and dont seem to be able to group bigger mobs
Mfw cartethiya had built in vortex in her auto attacks just like SK
Laevatain is a dps, Gilberta is a support, she will see more longevity overall and if a nature dps outdpses Laev, you want that nature supporting cc from Gilb
Gilb gonna be the SK of endfield trust
First time hearing of mobility
its not a common thing
Always been in situations where vertical and horizontal investment are used
also pull nicole
she gonna seem weak, but she will be strong
I'm sure that's true, but her potentials outside of P2 are also incredibly mid so I'll likely just nab PO an call it a day.
Thank you for explaining what I'm too lazy to explain
Feelscrafting ahh we dont even have leaks
Atleast she has good potentials

FFS
we have and i tell u
she will seem like varka only
but later she will turn out to be furina like case
but pyro
No we dont
Fuck is u talking about
leaks
i know better leaks nub
Leaks from youtube reels im sure
bruh
Horizontal investment means investing into something within the same tier. Vertical investment means upscaling to a higher tier. Mobility is about flexibility and like Shuo said it's like an affector on investment.
no
I know what horizontal and vertical investment means
But yea first time hearing about mobility
Not a term used in wuwa/hoyo
New gen gacha player smh /lh
Dude I hated that game so much
True
Bring back the goat Dragalia Lost
my was battle cast
what armor offset do you guys use for LR
bonekrusha chest
which one there are like 4 chest pc in that set
probably the one with strength and will
idk tho
reading the text explains the text
aethertech is the default
I just realised Ardelia's combo trigger gets a cooldown reduction naturally if you take it to Mastery 12. With P5 & Mastery 12, she goes from having a 18 second combo trigger to a 15 second one.
Considering the combo trigger is how she applies all her debuffs
bonekrusha poncho and frontier armour have use cases
That's something I need to work on.

On which team?
finally got the ginsing recipie, yeah jakud gives more atk but thats fair cause of cr on ginsing
I'mma be using her with Laevatain.
Have you timed how long it takes for you to complete a full rotation?
aethertech is ass
how so
That determines whether the 3 sec difference is worth the investment
str + will + a bonus you can use
@outer ermine shut this aethertech propoganda speaker down
im curious to see
where do you get the flowers for it?
lemme find what hifumi said
Ginseng is found right outside of the Wuling farm
It's all a bit up in the air right now. The main thing I'm thinking about is how many bosses have 2/3 phases where you need to re-apply. For that it should be quite good especially when I'm wiping out their HP bars very quickly.
@drifting quest
theres a spot near the agriculture area in wuling
it can be found there as a gold spark
like around there directly infront
i already collected it
it's identical stats and equal damage% but applies to both combo and ult assuming you do actually hit the stagger which is
a bit of a given
especially with stuff like swordmancer supports
if you aren't hitting the stagger point sure
and artificing wise i wouldnt be investing in either
Yeah that's why I asked. I think doing m12 Ardelia is purely a comfort thing for the 3 second difference on cd.
For new characters probably, not for ones already out
i mean new sets as in higher lvl
which they have already shown to do with green/purple
Oh like reds
we dont get higher level gear so soon
SAYS WHO
we may get new sets, and new sets 100% can replace current ones
common logic?
we would need a new tier of components
1 patch into the game
common logic would say we dont get a 6-star selector this fast
yet here we are
debunked
if we get higher level gear it would be 2.0
Yeah I don't see why they would introduce gold gear and then an even higher lvl/tier in the same region
Agreed.
yeah dont look at basically every other similar type of gacha having also given out one or several
Would be a new region thing
at launch?
boi
yes
who
genshin is the exception
Yeah 220 atk or 11% cr
?????
I actually wouldn't mind though if newer regions have region-locked gear tied to region-locked levels or something
wuwa gave out TWO
Hsr gave out a free topaz or some other chars
at launch?
yes
Valley with 3 tiers and comps:
show the proof rn
say less
were talking about on release
not after 2 years
Starting region makes sense
Gold gear is endgame gear
Like post-story content
Main thing holding me back is these things I sometimes forget they're kind of Genshin's version of crowns. 
I completed everything with blue gear all the way up to marble
And then finally made some gold gear
POV: 6 STAR SELECTOR
?
probably an upgrade to fully artificed gold gear later on
acting like arknights is doing bad
Oh there's definitely gonna be a supply limit tied to each version release
There already is
did yall see ths
Speaking of
Unless they add an endgame game mode that lets you redeem mats for it
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Last Rite looking good af
When we go to the neotokyo region in 2.0
bro thinks we going to tokyo
hsr had to rework their next world because it was jp focused
bc of political beef irl
which sucks
I think I might have enough I have these to pick up tomorrow still.
Its brazil
bro folded under no preasure (I said: "I want to save the currency for gilb weapon")
WTF THE PREMIUM GIVES 10
well, its not looking good for the game atm
like they wodunt give out 6 star selector now if stuff wasnt so bad
brother arknights made the most money out of any gacha on release
what are u talking about
😭
the games doing fine
they prob did it bc of the paypal thing
Bro's dopamine levels rapidly ascended
i mean u cant compare endfield to things like hoyo games cause diff companies
well, they had the paypal random charging, ye (jk)
because im in vc with my friend, and I got convinced to pull that crate

arknights the only gacha being an actual competitor for hoyo
rn
wuwa struggling
whether thats bc f2p friendly or not idk
but theyre struggling
Yo let's not drive into tribalism in this chat
its not even tribalism
its stats
i dont hate wuwa
its a good game
shitty optimization tho
genshin is thriving because their the first to do it ngl
can we not bring that topic again, why we always talk about this in every new gacha game 
yeah
How long does Corrison stay on an enemy naturally without Ardelia's P5?
Unless you're one of the actual investors for these gachas who cares about stats. As a consumer the only thing you have to pay with is your time
quarentine, a dedicated honkai 3rd impact fanbase before hand, and first to do it = comfort for many people= stability
yall soft af icl all i said is wuwa is struggling and not a real competitor for genshin
which it isnt
hoyo is massive
15 seconds
i didnt say the game was garbage
i mean it burns u out hella
yeah i know, its just everywhere I go someone always talk about the gacha performance
only avg 80 mil a mnoth over past year
of my god, how can they survive
that goes for anything
honestly, having never played genshin, wuwa, or zzz, this conversation just goes way over my head
but i'd like to remind everyone that this is #theorycrafting
Wait if corrosion lasts for 15s then that means there's a downtime of 3s before the next Ardelia combo
So the pot makes the downtime 0 seconds
Yeah idk if it's worth allat then
Because an auto combo takes like 2-3 secs no?
and endfield has bad renetntion, the revenue will drop
and hyper sees it, thus selector
shuo was gonna show me proof and never came back with proof
you could theoretically time your final strike to happen as the cooldown pops but that's a lot of effort
L O L
my bad one wasn't technically a selector, but a banner you can guarantee off plus compo pulls to pity it, plus any one random 5* via compo pulls, plus one actual selector
slightly misleading but still (3 free chars from compo pulls without counting free limited)
Right so P5 means 100% Corrison or debuff time against a single target enemy. Since she can apply every 15-16 seconds and the Corrison applies for 19 seconds?
relax
LMAO
i was doing due dilligence
the timing
Given how you need to dodge during a standard auto chain, you can pretty consistently get the last strike in time for the cd refresh
was this actually on release
yes
but with things like amp damage, having 100% uptime doesn't matter as much if you're bursting really hard during the time the amp is up anyway
1.0
ok
Do we have stagger resistance for any of the units as of now
https://wutheringwaves.fandom.com/wiki/Mail/List
mail for 1.0 including compo pulls and selector
banner's are easily verified have at it
they should still exist
my humble king
Oh yeah her earlier pots increase the corrosion uptime. Yeah so you actually get like +4 seconds of wiggle room to reapply a refresh on corrosion

i would never doubt my precious tcer
That's actually super overkill imo
but yeah i mean
Straight up just a comfort thing more than anything
i gotchu lemme spam chens at pepper
endfield selector is a combo of the paypal situation and just because the game is doing well

yuh think so too
if its actually about improving early game experience
then thatd be really generous of them
regardless
if chen is so popular why dont we have a chen4
CNY:
dw im reinstalling
i was about to say
clueless
u got p5 laev
Ember's bs has hyper armor

I think that's the only one
Surely its not a chen alter
might be me soon 
i would never do something like discuss leaks
bro fuck ahh p5 laev like i care, i whaled on bigger things in genshin and quit 2s later
Yeah it's something I have noticed with Ardelia, none of her potentials are broken. Or even that strong from an DMG increase prospective given ideal play. But her potentials make her way more comfy as a debuffer. An her P5 really increases the valuble of her signature weapon.
Guess I go die
were allowed to discuss leeks tho
yes, yes we are
Yeah I like how no pots are inherently broken but they just add more comfyness to kits and compliment bis/sig weps for those ops
what if she's not a leek but a spring onion
wait

please dont post misinformation
ur lowkey cooking
would eat both
I love the flare leggings
It's so cute
Waiting for them to make a Qipao skin for F!Endmin tho
qipao skins are death sentence in terms of meta viability
fuck u
hand it over rn
every one i can think of is on a unit no longer meta

ah oke
True. Summer units somehow are always the most broken
no
no right
HOLY the chen that did the 2 min trim solo clear on rhod has 200 more agi than mine
that's actually insane
but you get like a shitload of emergency sanity boosters just for free
so like 
gimmie
i need those
wym
bp gives an item that makes 120 sanity turn into condensed sanity that holds 120
that doesnt expire
so u can turn those timed ones into permanent sanity
lol
Also why monthly pass is goated
what was the best premium phys rn again
da pan chen pog lifeng?
is it st or aoe focused
it can aoe but wants to st
is there a billibilli run of this
kinda wanna see the gameplay
How are you finding LR's playstyle?
The decay timer on the emergency ones is a bit irksome though
Its really fun to me
its arknights the only way anything is confirmed ahead of time is if they accidentally leak it themselves, usually by the metro
She has cancels too
Or yk
Yeah LR cancels are fun
mumu hool and wis logos incidents
Especially if you pre-bs you can cancel half the startup animation
clueless
Bro the way the arknights endfield dev had the community chase down a leaker and pay money for giving information to them
yu incident
is funny af to me
Seems like her P3 is quite big for her, nearly a 15% personal damage increase?
Yep
What's the difference I have her P5
her like
arm things glow
and something else but idr
oh right her tail thing gives light now
never forget what we lost for last rite to exist
instead of being black
WHO
nezzsalem
My honest reaction
If we get an actual vampire Sarkaz that's a goth... Omfg it will be the first time I ever spend more than $10 on a gacha
someone mod lr skin tymuch
king of the withered court, god of death, champion of the sudarim
please hurry up and make more money i need artifice please please please
lock in
arknights cooks with char designs icl
i rarely like chars in hoyo and wuwa
ive liked most in here
ig im an arknights shill
not a vampire




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