theorycrafting

[sly nymph]

is it worth upgrading from valiant to mountain bearer

hmmm

[lime bear]

no good polearms gor Lifeng tho

[twilit quail]

without pots on lifeng currently no

[lime bear]

alraedy chosen Thermite over Valiant

[twilit quail]

valiant is only slightly worse at p0

ah

gg

[sly nymph]

i'm at p2 tomorrow

[twilit quail]

uhhhhh

[whole crystal]

bruh I just now found out that we getting a 6* selector

[twilit quail]

probably still not worth before p3

[whole crystal]

[twilit quail]

p3 is the big one

[lime bear]

lot of breakpoints is P3 huh

[sly nymph]

valiant useless on everybody else too sigh

[lime bear]

Thermite goat

is Ember worth getting @twilit quail have everything except her rn

[twilit quail]

hahahahahahahahahahaha

[drifting quest]

pots will be worth more than a brick

[lime bear]

something something niche comp

[daring dove]

Yeah I’m lost between P4 Ardelia & P4 Last Rite now, I’m thinking Ardelia since I’m going to be actively using her a lot more.

[drifting quest]

the niche is overworld insigificant qol for people who dont have a dodge key

[lime bear]

just tp and heal consumable smh

[drifting quest]

you've learned why the niche is insignificant

[whole crystal]

damn

[lime bear]

Defender class useless as always sadge

[whole crystal]

I got no clue

[twilit quail]

just need to bring back shu

+25% atk

+aspd

all problems solved

[whole crystal]

is there even anyone whos p1 is really worth it?

[lime bear]

groups enemies to you, new grouping method

tho thats

I forgot his name

primal defender

Yu

there we go

[drifting quest]

4 sui buff

for sp

[daring dove]

Ardelia’s P2 is good for comfort if you care about that, will heal all your party members at the same time as the controlled character.

[drifting quest]

lets go

[lime bear]

man if Avy 5* alr this strong

wonder how crazy Fangyi gonna be

[drifting quest]

there's wang in a week too, 7 sui buff soon

[whole crystal]

oh I meant p1 sorry. I do have ard's p1 already tho so I could get her p2

[lime bear]

https://tenor.com/view/fangyi-can-you-stop-fucking-around-gif-2298645845255946638

HAS buff

[drifting quest]

https://tenor.com/view/shu-arknights-sui-gif-7073468061133619170

i love it so much

[heavy fossil]

can confirm when I play ember I do occasionally keep my eyes closed

[lime bear]

peak sequel

this time its so fitting with the factory

[daring dove]

Going vertical on her is likely the wisest choice. She’s the best standard unit by far and arguably the best character in the game rn.

[lime bear]

just send the gif for someone with ass factory frfr

[drifting quest]

the humble lifeng

i need to do the flowchart but i suck at anything artistic

[whole crystal]

maybe ye. I got every 6star from standard banner p0 (except for ard) and im 20pulls away from a 50/50 so ill prolly wait till then and see who I get.

[whole crystal]

draw it in ms paint

[drifting quest]

the quality if i do ms paint is going to be like 180p

[whole crystal]

perfect

paint it is

[twilit plume]

I got lifeng p1, pog p1 and ardelia p1

[drifting quest]

lifeng p2 prob

[twilit plume]

Who do you advice me to choose

[proper walrus]

is pog p1 is it a good or bad upgrade?

[proper walrus]

ember to free ard for other teams?

[drifting quest]

pog pots are all pretty mediocre

[twilit plume]

Im tempted to get last rite

For a potential frost team

I got physical team and fire team

[drifting quest]

if it doesnt expire just hold onto it

[proper walrus]

how is lifeng pots

[drifting quest]

wait and see if monument has been changed (it probably hasnt)

lifeng pots are some of the best in the entire game

[twilit plume]

Lifeng p1 is good apparently

How good is amber in a lae team

?

[drifting quest]

not good

active detriment

[twilit plume]

I see

[next helm]

I hope I can wait with potential selector

I don't have any polearm for lifeng

[glad niche]

It's sent by mail, it won't have a short timer (if any)

[high finch]

man,when do we get the ability to pul extra forges in second region. i need more obligations and gear materials. I want to improve my gear moore

like the valley 4 obligations are worth nothing rn

[tacit bloom]

Anyone has any data for c1 vs c5 Laevatain dmg increase? Or knows where i can find it?

[drifting quest]

its like 20-30% total

depending on gear and the scenario

[paper wharf]

is this the channel for theorycrafting including aic factory?

[drifting quest]

can be less

[drifting quest]

aic is one down in #aic-factory

[tight haven]

is there like

a krooster

but for endfield already

[drifting quest]

doesnt look like it yet

[tight haven]

eos

[drifting quest]

id expect one of the hoyo ones to make an endfield port

[tight haven]

i think enka is a thing

algoinde was talking abt making one for endfield

[drifting quest]

akef enka already?

damn

[tight haven]

its not up yet

just a factory planner

damn

[manic blade]

Wow we can get a free ember copy

[wicked spear]

i know its prob not worth, but doesnt p1 laevatain actually seem kinda juicy...

[wicked spear]

wait why do you want ember isnt like ardelia prob good

also will we need two teams for like moc

[drifting quest]

It doesnt change her rotation or gear until p4

[manic blade]

Ember a useless fk ofc I want ardelia

[amber vapor]

Lifeng is the only one I don't have so imma select him

[manic blade]

Likely not for a while

[wicked spear]

but p2-p3 seem supser useless, so im wondering if p1 is actually very cost effective...

[ocean hawk]

is this a sign Bit gonna make a phys team

[wicked spear]

isnt most of her damage from her skill tahts what it feels like to mea t least

[amber vapor]

I have 4 full teams I can make

Except for Avy because I have have to get arclight

[ocean hawk]

adding 1 more doesnt hurt

[amber vapor]

I've gotten 2 Pog pots and one lr pot

Before I've even gotten a single arclight

[ocean hawk]

but wait a min

where u get all that tcreds

for 4 full teams

[amber vapor]

Oh nah I haven't leveled all of them

[wicked spear]

idk am i triippping? are there calcs somewhere

[amber vapor]

Just my LR, my meme team with LR + Yvonne and my Laev team

[ocean hawk]

ah

I thought u leveled all of them to atleast 80

[ocean hawk]

which calcs ?

[amber vapor]

I left all my support units at lvl 40 because the ROI isnt really worth it unless you want an easy trim

[amber vapor]

Oh God no I don't have anywhere near enough proto prism for that

My main bottleneck is protoprisms

[ocean hawk]

how about creds ?

coz I needs it

[wicked spear]

i was asking about laevatain p1 is it good

[ocean hawk]

oh, u can try using discord search with "has: image" filter if no one give the calculation to you

[manic blade]

U kinda just get rich in v4 bucks an can buy wtv credits protoprisms gold mats

[ocean hawk]

the problem is

its sold out

[manic blade]

Ya…

Same with the limited wuling catalysts

[amber vapor]

Bump

[manic blade]

I had 40/40 good matches on my kit before finishing the artifice

[drifting quest]

neither potentials scale very well

thats just how endfield is

[manic blade]

If that was post limited that is 2.4 mil +320k

[wicked spear]

why were they saying her skill is better at p2 lol her p2 deosnte ven affect skill

see they mean p1

[ocean hawk]

I just heard somewhere that her p1 fix her uptime ?

might be wrong tho

[tender zephyr]

Maybe they saying p2 weapon

[amber vapor]

P1

[wicked spear]

p1 gives like 20 sp back on skill and skill multipler 1.2x damage

[modest thorn]

Is there somewhere I can read about the best gear for laeva? I have her p5 and I saw someone say p5 uses different gear

[ocean hawk]

ah

[worn field]

chat, what is the rotation for this team? without lifeng ult its hard to get 4 stack of vulne

[wicked spear]

which to me actually seems like the best potnetial out of hers i think... which is why i feel like it could be a good cost effective

[amber vapor]

You can run full ult gear

[ocean hawk]

https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/1W0FL8l3UOerwfS4Y5D2yHdJlXadz_vmmBSND6zUyn-8/htmlview?gid=1488927062&pru=AAABnD3G4Xg*23Z2m93mYVI0OzUwWO8BFQ#gid=1153644363

its from iana

[manic blade]

We don’t have much can run the one cycle build with heat work gloves, tidefall for comfort w hot works 3pc, or ig 3 hot works and int / base atk MI security chest like me

[ocean hawk]

isnt shatter rotation similar to physical rotation

applying breach on the first 4 vulnr

[wicked spear]

what is progresion rating

[ocean hawk]

and then shatter on the next one ?

[mystic halo]

shatter doesnt conventionally play pog

[drifting quest]

How good they are for story

[mystic halo]

it just spends all on crush

shatter pog has to replace endmin

it's not good at all later on

[ripe parrot]

is there even a reason to breach at 4 because you don't get any more intensity or breach multiplier from doing it

[ocean hawk]

ah, it doesnt need the breach ?

so all vulnerable just for the shatter ?

[mystic halo]

or rather, it cant play pog

if you have a pog you'd just go over and be playing physical instead

[ripe parrot]

also that team is crush not shatter

[mystic halo]

instead of dealing with shatter units

[wicked spear]

he didnt do potential calcs smh

[ocean saffron]

@drifting quest I'm just trying to argue that many people coming to a discord for advice are not necessarily the 'competitive ladder' type players right? A lot of my friends, for example, want their team to function for them in a way that is relatively lower stress / complex. They want to be able to clear things to progress and move on, not to do time trials. You know? I get annoyed because you see all these people come into the chat and like, for instance, get really upset that the game gave them ember or yvonne when the response from everyone is "dogshit! your account is bricked!!"

[ocean hawk]

ah so sorry, its different ?

[wicked spear]

waiut why would he do it for the weapons but not for laeva herself

[ocean saffron]

@drifting quest I don't disagree that some people are in there for what you guys are advocating for, but I'd just like people to open their minds a little bit and be considerate of others

[ripe parrot]

shatter is popping solidification

crush is just spending vuln for phys dmg

[amber vapor]

Yes. Shatter is when a solidified enemy is hit with a vuln or phys status and applies dmg

[ocean hawk]

and both using endmind ?

or

[amber vapor]

You dont need endmin for a shatter team

[ripe parrot]

isn't endmin core on shatter? lol

[amber vapor]

but being able to CC chain with endmin is nice

[ripe parrot]

who else would you pop solidification with

[modest thorn]

Do yall think Ardelia will stay in the laeva team?

[twilit quail]

see this is how I know youve never played either of those units even in story

it's literally just pure misery

[ripe parrot]

i personally don't use ardelia on my laeva team but that's only for single target cases

[twilit quail]

the progression rating is there for a reason

[brave tinsel]

Y'all, how important is avywenna p2 (w.e the one is that increases duration of the lances)? Am I able to run her a p0 or nah?

[ocean saffron]

again your assumptions are just invalid and not at all in the spirit of what im asking

[twilit quail]

it's so much worse than even shatter

[ocean hawk]

anyway I remember yesterday someone give me a reading materials about the breach from vulnerable stack

[ripe parrot]

having played ember, she is really comfy in progression

[glad niche]

So your angle is actually that you over invested in a shit character and hate that everyone tells you its shit. Noted

Unlucky

[ocean saffron]

yeah you're exactly right man good take

[ripe parrot]

i don't have yvonne but my friend does and he says that (allegedly) she is awful to play right now

[modest thorn]

Actually, how is ember? I have her but idk what team she fits in

[ripe parrot]

even in progression/story

[amber vapor]

I havent leveled my avy team but I dont think p1 is that neccessary as long as you dont run out of sp

[twilit quail]

and how is that relevant? some units and teams FEEL worse than many others to play, even if we disregard their output

[ripe parrot]

ember is unga bunga i don't dodge i heal through your bullshit fun tier

[twilit quail]

even if we took away all of the damage numbers

[ripe parrot]

dmg is kinda lacking but you can slot her in as a ghetto support unit

[ocean hawk]

idk how to use ember on phys team tbh, coz I need to get hit just for that vulnerable from ember. and I always evade enemy attacks so....

[twilit quail]

those ice units still dont feel good to play

[ripe parrot]

@ocean hawk reverse skill issue

[modest thorn]

Oh I guess I could use her when I play on mobile lol

Legit just facetank everything

[nova lance]

Who to pick in selector? I already have pog and lifeng

[ocean saffron]

Right, so forcing someone who hates it to play last rite because that's the meta is going to lower their enjoyment of the game no?

[ripe parrot]

cryo in general just feels really clunky idk. it feels like they need another core unit for it to feel better?

[modest thorn]

I can’t see anything on mobile

[ripe parrot]

ember is S tier mobile gaming

[ocean hawk]

yeah u could

since in mobile, u can just focus on attack

with the bad control

[amber vapor]

Read a post on the subreddit yesternight where someone was saying exactly that. They questioned why Ember forces you to face tank and is mediocre beyond that, when you have catcher doing the same thing + also having his combo proc on red attacks. If Ember's combo proc'd on dodge it would def be a lot better.

[brave tinsel]

Okay cool sounds good, I didn't know if that pot was critical to her performance or not. I guess I should still have enough time to set up another set of lances before the first run out

[drifting quest]

Definitely a lot of the general discourse about units like Yvonne and Ember aren't blown up to a degree, but the base concept behind them being problematic units is something that definitely is warranted. Units like Ember and Yvonne (and even by extension someone like Last Rite) who have significant kit issues will cause problems not just for people who want to minmax around endgame but also for the casuals.

There's a lot of complaints of people being unable to clear story or certain farming stages and then you look at the team and it's Yvonne Last Rite Ember Xaihi or something that clearly is dysfunctional and doesn't work to fix the issues fundamental to their kits.

This applies beyond even these more problematic kits into general teambuilding. Rarity Teams are a common pitfall people lack an understanding of. Or assuming the game is like other arpg gacha (cough genshin) where reactions are a core part of the game.

Giving advice around what is best will naturally tend to make teams comfier than coddling people to let them use their best. There's a reason (at least I personally) will attempt to give alternatives if people are insistent on using specific units but only after doing what I can to tell them why the unit is typically considered 'bad'.

From my perspective giving advice I'm giving up my free time (and even doing it alongside chores and irl work) to answer the same repeat questions all day. I do it because I enjoy the TC environment here and then it's not much effort to also answer questions but there's only so many times I can type out a paragaph explaining nuance before I lose a bit of patience. And while I'm typing out said nuanced parapgraph 3-5 people will give objectively bad teams.

[modest thorn]

Holy moly

[heavy fossil]

solo ember is a vibe (no damage but it’s solo anyways)

[drifting quest]

tldr good teams are comfier for bad players

[modest thorn]

Also idk if I’m just forcing content cause I still only have one set of blue gear

[ocean hawk]

yeah, and adding ember to the team doesnt improve the phys team rrotation too

[twilit quail]

no one is forcing anyone to do anything, but I can only work from an optimisation standpoint, because that is OBJECTIVE

[drifting quest]

there's also the argument about future proofing yourself for harder content

sure ember catcher yvonne fluorite can clear right now but what about in the future?

[twilit quail]

the moment we inject anything like ooh player comfort it loses all meaning and there is no point in talking about anything

[modest thorn]

I also feel like if someone’s asking here they want good advice otherwise they’d just keep doing what they were doing

[twilit quail]

having a good team is going to improve comfort in daily stuff too

[nova lance]

Any1?

[drifting quest]

People who are asking for advice are not likely to be the same people who are going to have their enjoyment ruined by a specific suggestion

[twilit quail]

and it's not like Im not giving people options for that with clear use cases

[drifting quest]

lifeng p1 unless you want to play last rite

[ripe parrot]

to a certain extent, maybe. I feel like laev team is kinda mid for players who don't want to research breakpoints (or even think about even using ult efficiency lol)

[drifting quest]

ardelia p1 if you use her a lot

[amber vapor]

Phys autos but heat dmg on bs is so dumb

[nova lance]

Already have p1 ardelia

[drifting quest]

3 hot work tide and bedge then

[nova lance]

Guess I'll get liheng

Considering the wall text above

[ocean hawk]

well, im sticking with da pan then

[twilit quail]

ember is just not a unit I can recommend to anyone in a serious capacity now for gameplay purposes because of the system changes they made to dodge and stuff

[nova lance]

[drifting quest]

[modest thorn]

Should I pull for endmin p3? Can someone who has them p3 vouch for the effectiveness?

[drifting quest]

just a little -tism

[amber vapor]

Yeah Ember seems like a relic of the past

[twilit quail]

it's pretty objectively not an efficient unit to use and anyone who wants to use that unit almost certainly knows that

[amber vapor]

Feels like Yvonne is like that too

[ocean saffron]

There is a point - you'd actually be helping some people get what they're after, again optimizing damage is not the only way to think about what a 'good' team is in a video game that has a large diverse audience

I work in games and we've had this kind of discussion dozens of times with the design team. Do we make <x> decision because its better for pro play? For the most players? Etc.

[drifting quest]

the issue is this is a gacha game

[twilit quail]

unfortunately we are not the developers

[drifting quest]

rewards are tied to clearing content

[torn raft]

This not even close to a pro play gap lmao

[drifting quest]

people with skill issue will not clear with their favourites

[twilit quail]

and yes there are clear differences in the premise here

[drifting quest]

if they cant even clear with objectively strong teams what hope do they have if one or more of the units are actively reducing their output

[ripe parrot]

i suppose this will be a more valid point when umbral is out

[nova lance]

When?

[ripe parrot]

[ocean hawk]

12 Feb

[nova lance]

[ocean saffron]

The gap between clearing content being the goal and getting every trim medal ever offered is quite large isnt it?

[drifting quest]

for now yes
in future maybe not so much

and that wasnt even referring to trims

[daring dove]

What's peoples take on them weakening the enemies at various world world levels? For me the game was already pretty easy so I don't get it.

[ripe parrot]

skill issue

[drifting quest]

im talking about people who cant clear it with 20 minutes of time, food buffs and 12/12 tacticals

[nova lance]

Skill issue

[amber vapor]

Thing is in a gacha game where your team composition flexibility is entirely dependent on how good your luck is on pulls makes it so that when someone gets a 6* (even if it isn't the one they want), they should be able to relatively easily be able to build them into a team and have them perform akin to other 6*s wiithin their class. The issue is characters like Ember and Yvonne is their kits don't really have any real flexibility.

[glad niche]

Ember mains needed help.

[mortal wolf]

so wait is this just a build that lets Laeva get ultimate faster or something? I still don't get it

[drifting quest]

from a difficulty perspective it sucks
from a convenience perspective it's alright i guess

[drifting quest]

208% ult gain% gets her ult in 1 combo, 1 enhanced skill, 2 team skills

[torn raft]

It felt odd not suddenly one shotting everything but higher world levels should just be more rewarding

[drifting quest]

otherwise it's double that

[torn raft]

Maybe actually give wuling dollars for killing anything

[drifting quest]

32 wuling certificates an enemy

value

[ripe parrot]

speaking of this set, has anyone gotten to testing this in a real setting yet?

[nova lance]

Who r those team skills usually? Ardelia ebs?

[ocean hawk]

actually....

[drifting quest]

anyone that isn't laev

[ocean hawk]

[torn raft]

They don't give shit lmao

[drifting quest]

or technically laev non enhanced skill too

[ocean hawk]

they give wuling stock bills

[amber vapor]

I think it's important to both let people know which 6 stars are actually good because the numbers are objective. The opinions and stigma built around the math is purely subjective. Yvonne is just an objectively bad 6 stars compared to other 6 stars.

[daring dove]

This is the all ultimate gain +4 Laevatain buiild right, I needa try this.

[torn raft]

Barely

[drifting quest]

its better for some fights, worse for others

[timber adder]

20 minutes?

What endgame content requires 20 to clear
Is this just an exaggerated example

[lime bear]

trim medal often is dps checks, f2ps can't even M3 yet until bp mission new tmr so we can reach Mark of Perseverance in bp lvl 50 and M3 scaling is crazy. also artificing and essences and food gonna matter

[torn raft]

Kill them for wuling dollars for 5 hours to just fail my artificing anyways

[mortal wolf]

Why does it sound like it sacrifices damage just to get ult faster

[drifting quest]

as a whole exaggerated they tend to die instead
but recrisis 90 clear, not even trim

[ocean hawk]

I mean, u cant make killing enemies ur main source of income....

[ripe parrot]

it does

[drifting quest]

the same applies to crisis drills, alluviums, progression stages

etc

[drifting berry]

Ults are busted

[torn raft]

Just saying world level should have more rewards

[ripe parrot]

but like i wonder if the tradeoff is worth it in a real scenario

[torn raft]

Not wuling dollar specific

[drifting quest]

because it does

[lime bear]

but rn I already cleared 2/3 trims in mobile with like +4 int +3 atk +3 Twilight and ginseng, not even single artificing and M1 only

[twilit quail]

what some people need to internalise is that when I say a character is bad, I am talking about the block of numbers and mechanics, not the character themselves

[drifting quest]

its up to about 30% less damage but ults 1 rot faster

[lime bear]

if you try to learn the boss mechanics it shouldn't be that hard

[ocean hawk]

at this current situation ?, I mean we might get another world level in the future no ? or 7 is the limit ?

[nova lance]

Then it's for longer fights then?

[torn raft]

At some point you'll have too much rare ores, might as well set the game to exploration level 1

[daring dove]

It does, but when you're spending 2 rotations doing minimal damage during your downtime instead of 1 rotation. The trade-off is likely worth it. Especially for a high investment Laevatain.

[drifting quest]

nuh uh i formed a parasocial relationship with this character I saw for the first time today and you saying they suck is a direct insult to me as a result

[lime bear]

need to abuse interrupts for stagger so boss get stunned and doesn't do their special moves really

[ripe parrot]

honestly people shouldn't take it personally even if you did say x character is bad because this is #theorycrafting

[twilit quail]

and that's what the help channels are for, numbers and mechanics

if you dont have the same perspective the channels might just not be for you

[torn raft]

Eh the protocol space is locked with lvls i forgot

[ocean saffron]

I don't think I'm accomplishing anything by making this argument because most people in a theorycrafting channel are already similarly aligned on their goals. I am trying to defend the idea that there are large swaths of players that don't have the same goals and could be treated with some level of respect that their wants still have validity and are worth responding to

Most of the time I just see them getting rudely shit on, but somehow my speaking up is seen as the behavior the moderator wants to throw the rulebook at rather than people just demeaning other users straightforwardly

[ocean hawk]

my take is: if u asking advice in #theorycrafting rather than #team-build then u're not the casual / normal player anymore?? you get the point

[ocean saffron]

In any case, I appreciated the discussion but yeah I'm gonna get food now

[amber vapor]

Exactly what I said too:

I think it's important to let people know which 6 stars are actually good because the numbers are objective. The opinions and stigma built around the math is purely subjective. Yvonne is just an objectively bad 6 stars compared to other 6 stars.

[drifting quest]

i dont disagree that the way advice is given particularly in #team-build is atrocious, from both sides of the argument

it's really bad up there

[ocean hawk]

oh so info in here is better than in that channel ?

[torn raft]

Someone told me gilberta is trash for laeva up there

[subtle geyser]

anyone tested this yet in here

[torn raft]

[ocean hawk]

welp pardon me then

[drifting berry]

It depends, if you ult ready then hot work would be better in short fights, but if you have to fill your ult's energy from 0 having access to your ult sooner would be more beneficial.

[ripe parrot]

it's a bit more civil here lmao

[twilit quail]

it's true that people are often reductive

and my document is indeed sometimes used as ammunition by those people

[ocean hawk]

this is the first time I heard that

[twilit quail]

however

I am still obviously doing significantly more good than harm

[dreamy hemlock]

If we go solely on standard 6* potentials, what are each characters best potentials/breaking points?

[drifting quest]

less people, generally more people who know what they're saying

[ripe parrot]

that's why i was thinking the original set for laev is probably better on rhod but worse(?) on the other fights

[mortal wolf]

What counts as "high investment" when there's no rng in the gear? Sorry I still don't exactly get it

[drifting quest]

but technically this isnt a help channel

[ripe parrot]

but I have no real evidence for thinking like that only vibes

[drifting quest]

premium weapons, sometimes potentials, maxed essences and key to maxed artificing

[ocean hawk]

I get helped in here, so thanks I think

[amber vapor]

I can't speak for individual behaviorisms and neither do I care to acknowledge them because you have to employ a certain bit of indifference towards other's opinions if they aren't adding anything of value. Like if someone pulls Ember and wants to build her, I would tell them that she sucks but if they wanna build her then here's the setup, etc.

[drifting quest]

no one tends to care

so yeah

[glad niche]

@twilit quail Even your document calls out use cases for the weaker/less flexible characters. Should someone desire to use them. If anything, you're actually promoting the optimal while offering the sub-optimal. You can't ask for more than that.

[drifting quest]

we're thankfully given pretty free reign to offtopic here which gives it a nice relaxed environment

if we lose that privelege the channel probably dies off though

[ocean saffron]

agreed, I am not trying to say what you are doing is unhelpful at all - I am the kind of person that is generally okay with being the 'odd man out' in a discussion and taking the opposite viewpoint so I am trying to speak up for people who are getting shamed for their choices/preferences because they have different takes, but yeah like I said I'm gonna step out thanks again

[mortal wolf]

At least I can kinda find more answers on what I need here instead of it being flooded in the actual help channel tbh

[twilit quail]

good day to you

[daring dove]

Well for example if you had P5 signature, you're already getting a ton of DMG bonus as a source when you use your ultimate 210% to be exact an this triggers every time you do your ultimate. What's better to trigger your 210% damage bonus way more often. Or to get your 50% DMG bonus from Heat Works?

[drifting berry]

Yeah currently is just vibes as far as I'm concern, imo having access to ult sooner is both more beneficial for both general content and bosses. The only way I see Hot work being better than the ult regen set is it you already have ult ready and you are able to kill whatever you are doing within 1-2 ults.

[ripe parrot]

which is why we should kindly remind everyone that this is #theorycrafting every once in a while. sometimes we turn into general chat 2

[ocean hawk]

I remember that one guy that always sent oot image

[amber vapor]

The point of theorycrafting is essentially to posit the most optimum setup given the mathematical formulas that govern dmg and etc. in this game. It is up to an individual to then take that knowledge, to use their brain and critically think, and decide for themselves whether they want to follow what's been posited or not.

[drifting quest]

nuh uh im a sheep

[torn raft]

Btw just learned laevatain p4+ can run hot hands with the charge build wtf?

[drifting quest]

[torn raft]

[drifting quest]

p4 lowers charge reqs

[mortal wolf]

I mean my Laeva's P1 with P1 sword, eh whatever I guess I'll grab both

[torn raft]

I just maxed the kits

[amber vapor]

It's utterly asinine to care about the emotional, logic-less outcries people have towards objective mathematical calcs.

[drifting quest]

you can reuse xiranite on a ton of units

so its not too bad

[torn raft]

Hot hands, guess there's more artificing to go on charge lmao

[amber vapor]

Unless you find a flaw in the math, then go ahead and assert yourself

[red topaz]

what are the best p1/p2 for standard characters?

[drifting quest]

lifeng, lifeng

ardelia p1

last rite but just because it gets you closer to p3

[ocean hawk]

stop at lifeng p1 or ?

[ripe parrot]

i believe p3 is mid

[drifting quest]

the more lifeng pots the better

[ripe parrot]

but after that it's also insane

[ocean hawk]

I already has p1 and pog at p0

[red topaz]

no bias, pure calcs question

[ripe parrot]

lifeng kinda cracked

[twilit quail]

lifeng p3 is really good

[ocean hawk]

so i need to choose lifeng ?

so p2 lifeng p0 pog ?

[ripe parrot]

then was it p2 that was kinda whatever?

[twilit quail]

pog p1 does nothing in single target

[ripe parrot]

i remember it was either p2/p3 that felt like a filler pot

[twilit quail]

lifeng p2 is just 15 all attributes

[red topaz]

even with 2+ targets its not even that great

[rocky saffron]

Is physique team a thing without pog sig or thermit cutter ?

[twilit quail]

the generic

[ocean hawk]

this is p2 lifeng

[ocean hawk]

ah

[daring dove]

Not sure ultimate charge is worth it until Laevatain is P4 plus anyway. I think the ult gain requirements are very hard to hit without P4?

[red topaz]

so bad

[ocean hawk]

so p2 lifeng or just hold the selection ?

[glad niche]

lifeng p2 feeds p3

[drifting quest]

fortmaker pog for arts intensity atp

[amber vapor]

Pog p1

[drifting quest]

the p0 req isnt that much more than the p4 req

[prisma maple]

I need help, this was first attempt at trying to get the trim, this is my team and main setup,

[ocean hawk]

lifeng p3

[rocky saffron]

But I have to play him with a specific set if I play him with fort right ?

[twilit quail]

pog is mega specialised with any wrapon

[daring dove]

What's the difference between P0 / P4 in requirements?

[drifting quest]

just the gloves

[torn raft]

Does lifeng p3 just let him ignore stats on gear

[daring dove]

I mean more as an ultimate gain %/

[drifting quest]

~75% vs ~108% bonus charge

[twilit quail]

207.4 down to 176.5

[amber vapor]

Not really no, just a bonus to that

[twilit quail]

with p4

[soft tendon]

Would laeva sig p2 be enough to justify running full ult gain over hot work? Id assume so since her sig gigabuffs ult batks

[mortal wolf]

It's why I'm wondering, but only one way to find out I guess? I'm just going around doing some things I find and I feel I should artifice this charge set first before her actual hot work set

[lime bear]

how impactful is interrupt for building stagger

[drifting quest]

potentials on sig dont change anything for how good the charge set is

[high finch]

on p0 pog with art intensity build i should slap thermite or p0 fortmaker?

[mortal wolf]

Can I get a percentage? :0

[drifting quest]

charge set viability is based on the enemy content not the laev

[drifting quest]

#theorycrafting message

p0 and then p4

[mortal wolf]

o I see

so basically yeah as the guide says, if p4 I can just slot in the hot works glove no problemo

[daring dove]

That's quite big but it's good to know as a figure anyway thanking you.

[drifting quest]

its just the gloves

[mortal wolf]

how do you even fail artificing actually, just not getting it early?

huh

[twilit quail]

if you can artifice take the first set in my sheet and artifice chest and hands charge rate

take thermite

you will be a bit below charge threshold but it's fine

[high finch]

i'm gonna artifice eventually after i'm done with lava. i dunno the order who do i wanna artifice first. Endmin,lifeng chen or pog but i've done only this so far

[sudden lichen]

[mortal wolf]

I don't even know if I'm supposed to be doing any of this when the rest of the team isn't even fixed up yet 🤣

[sudden lichen]

just when my last rite started clearing enemies in 2 skill uses

[red topaz]

isnt pogranichniks p3 great? why are we talking about p3 last rite and p3 lifeng, but not about pog?

or am i reading into it wrongly

[daring dove]

Guess that's the optimal setup if you have P4. Then you push Ult gain with Artificing?

[drifting quest]

you dont really get much value out of it in the normal rot

[alpine meteor]

Is the enemy resistance value clearly known ? Like, the exact percentage of dmg reduction it applies when doing the maths (depending of the note) ?

[drifting quest]

we have a list of values

on a couple wikis

[sudden lichen]

it changed anyway

[alpine meteor]

I see. I've seen a reddit post saying D note was for something like 0.5, but after doing couple of test and maths myself, I found something more like 0.6895, and I was wondering if anyone found the true value

[glad niche]

Actually isn't Laev the only char with res pen, aside from corrosion

[sudden lichen]

for now I think so

[civic rover]

Why do people say last rite needs c3?

[sudden lichen]

what is c3

[ripe parrot]

p3

[sudden lichen]

she doesn't need it

it's great though

mmh, so most of the ready to go optis are making the scaling easier, with bonus components for gear crafting without factory

that's great

[drifting quest]

fundamentally last rite as a character is one who functions to one shot the enemy

p3 does a lot to make that feasible right now

[sudden lichen]

finally we can crunch the factory numbers without scrolling

[high finch]

what does the 1st line mean?

[drifting quest]

more sources of pulls in early game

[sudden lichen]

more pulls and pull sources

[tight haven]

1 billion oroberyls in your inbox

[drifting quest]

we'll get a fat payout yeah

[sudden lichen]

but only if you do marble trim with solo fluorite

[prisma maple]

i watched a guide that is using the same team as me, the only difference is they have last rites weapon, does it make that much of a difference? Im trying to clear rada under 2 min for trim and cant seem to do so. This is my team and my last rite.

[drifting quest]

id expect they tie it to authority level plus some one time sources from quests/new map challenges

[high finch]

like more overall? if i cleared it we get some shit by mail. i Wonder whats the diff gonna be

[drifting quest]

some 25-40% depending on scenario

[sudden lichen]

it is a significant difference

but if the rest is super opti you could still do it

[civic rover]

Pretty sure you need to change your team comp around , xaihi should be first

[high finch]

i want 1 change like really. Give us ability to place more furnaces in region2 so we can craft more gear and artifice it. My phys team is struggling. Everyone wants artficed gear but i can't give it to everyone. The valley 4 obligations are worth nothing and the only ones matter are the 2nd region one cause all gear progression is tied to it

[sudden lichen]

we can finally resupply towers and ziplines in exploration 🥹

[prisma maple]

I also dont have bis essence, its 2/3

[drifting quest]

it'll come with new maps in 1.1/1.2

[sudden lichen]

that's not a change though, we just waiting for content expansion with the tech tree

[drifting quest]

id expect we have 1 furnace per factory

[high finch]

yeah,but is it coming later this patch or we gonna wait for 1.1-1.2

[sudden lichen]

2 more I think, since that's what we need in tech tree unlocks

[sudden lichen]

it's a content update for the main story, so it won't be part of a small patch

[drifting quest]

1.1 and 1.2

maybe just 1.1 if 1.2 is more valley 4

[tranquil burrow]

You are bottlenecked by 60 artificing mats per week, not Xiranite or furnaces

[sudden lichen]

more medals for going through the tutorials, finally

[sudden lichen]

80

[tranquil burrow]

Isn't it 40 + 20? 80's nice though if that's true

[high finch]

isn't valley4 already fleshed out? i kinda wish we could use valley4 tickets for something else but it's kinda ass rn. nothing is valuable in the shop there if you bought out everything except maybe essence farming tickets

[ocean hawk]

bro spawned that other 20 artificer

[sudden lichen]

my bad yeah, idk why I thought the -50% was 60

[glad niche]

buy a motorbike

[ocean hawk]

and da drill

[glad niche]

!!

[sudden lichen]

musta mixed with the price

[high finch]

if only i can ride it

[tranquil burrow]

I find Valley 4 bills worth far more than Wuling. Wuling bills are almost worthless to me, just artificing mats, whereas Valley 4 has a crap ton of progression mats from skill upgrades to levels to credits and everything in-between

[ocean hawk]

then give ur wuling bills to me

[drifting quest]

both are valuable

[ocean hawk]

here my transfer address: xxxx xxxx xxxx

[high finch]

yeah,but you will buy them out eventually

[drifting quest]

wuling is just more valuable because you cant get the stuff you buy there from other sources

[glad niche]

some refresh, even in v4

[high finch]

list a wuling delivery so i can snatch it

[sudden lichen]

the difference is that wuling bills are much less in quantity, making it much harder to buy out what you need compared to v4

[amber vapor]

I took a peak at #team-build and instantly regretted it

[tranquil burrow]

Thing is Wuling bills can also only really be used for artificing mats whereas Valley bills save you thousands of sanity for upgrading your operators

[torn raft]

Valley 4 dollars more valuable wot

[amber vapor]

The numbers and explanations are all there how do people not comprehend what they read

[drifting quest]

team build has become really bad recently

im losing any motivation to offer help there

[torn raft]

I mean eventually you're buying the 16m decoration the progression items are limited

[sudden lichen]

ye but you'll have maxed ops faster than maxed gear

[amber vapor]

Save your sanity tbh

[tranquil burrow]

I only care about maxing my Laevatain gear and I have that maxed out already

[ocean hawk]

pls stay sane shuo, your help still needed in here

[tranquil burrow]

It's not that hard to max one set out

[broken shale]

Shuo you're the goat don't lose it

[sudden lichen]

well, of course wuling doesn't matter to you if you already geared out, lol

[torn raft]

@drifting quest pls i need you to help me with a tangtang build

[sudden lichen]

that's all it is about currently

[ocean hawk]

its still matter ?, u can keep stocking that artificer tho so when new op dropped u can fully gear it

[drifting quest]

https://tenor.com/view/the-voices-meme-cat-gif-23917781

[sudden lichen]

what team do I make with laev, I have wulfgard and antal

[torn raft]

Wuling matters until 3rd region and there is a new gear set

[amber vapor]

Yeah stocking up on resources with a weekly cap is always worth it until you have another use for creds

[drifting quest]

akekuri vs antal is preference

[torn raft]

So might as well not even upgrade anything

[drifting quest]

ardelia vs antal is preference

akekuri ardelia is the baseline

[ocean hawk]

for wuling bills, the priority is the artificer imo, and the tickets is on the 2nd place since essence farming is not everytime

[drifting quest]

sub antal in as you wish

[sudden lichen]

I'm sorry I broke you

[teal pawn]

Fortmaker

[teal pawn]

Yeah but P3

[torn raft]

95% tickets is prio if u dont have surtr essence

[drifting quest]

must be nice

[tight haven]

give it to me.

[ocean hawk]

anyway I need help for my friend with the 2nd set of lae build:

"I built surtr with 2 seals, tide fall chest and xiranite gloves fully artificed on ult, resulting in 209% ult. But my support doesn't get their ult in time. For example, after using ebs on surtr ult buffed by akekuri ult and antal ult, the next time surtr gets her ult up, the rest haven't fully charge. Meanwhile i already have 4 mf that i want to use on ult mode rather than wasting it for no energy recharge"

[safe sand]

lifeng p1 is a no brainer to pick tho right

[rocky saffron]

And does lifeng requier sig?

[tight haven]

unless you dont have pog

[teal pawn]

Eh, you'll do fine with Chimera or whatever the name was

[broken shale]

I'm leaning towards that aswell

[high finch]

i want lifeng sign so much. i thought the 2nd phys spear is good but at lifeng p3 his signature is fucking nuts

[tight haven]

not a strict necessity but lifeng gains a lot of damage from having sig/valiant vs chimeric

[sudden lichen]

the production goes on, my micromanagement is happy

[ocean hawk]

is there a solution to this?

[drifting quest]

artifice ult gain builds for wulf and akekuri

[teal pawn]

The 5* gives ult gain which is pretty nice

[rocky saffron]

Valiant is the blue one right ? I have it

[tight haven]

yes

[sudden lichen]

remote recycling finally

[high finch]

if chen is like 20% of phys team dmg what is lifeng % assuming he has sign

[torn raft]

Are you guys still doing recycling pickup

[ocean hawk]

so the ult regen issue is because the gear for the wulf and akekuri didnt artificed ?

[torn raft]

Im starting to feel stupid doing it daily

[sudden lichen]

lol no, but I pick up when doing deliveries

[rocky saffron]

Recycling pick-up?

[torn raft]

Aerospace mats

[drifting quest]

even with it if you're not p5 wulf then akekuri and wulfgard will only ult every other rot, which is just something you accept

[rocky saffron]

The owl shit ? Na

[tight haven]

only when i go around grabbing rare gathers every 4 days

might as well

[neat snow]

I still do recycling

[ocean hawk]

ah, aight im forwarding this to my friend

[torn raft]

Maybe i should stop im coping that itll pay off in 1.1

[somber dove]

gun to my head i still wouldn’t do recycling

[sudden lichen]

I'm almost done clearing out the crafting book, a handful of items to farm are more annoying than others

[drifting quest]

they're making a remote claim all button

[ocean hawk]

thanks shuo, is there anything to add about it ?

[neat snow]

Surely we'll need the parts at some point

[sudden lichen]

and there's a decreasing returns system to fight farming

[broken shale]

Are you guys suffering from lack of t creds as well?

[neat snow]

Yes

[sudden lichen]

the more enemies of a type you kill, the less you get of material drops

[tight haven]

alluvium mobs only drop stuff up to 9 times a day

[broken shale]

[tight haven]

idk abt overworld mobs

[torn raft]

My sanity goes to surtr essence so not yet

[whole crystal]

that is so january 2026

[tight haven]

its 9 times per alluvium afaict

[sudden lichen]

overworld too but it's more decreasing

[torn raft]

I hate essence maxing

[sudden lichen]

something like farming livers will give you 3 then it goes down to 2 and 1

[tight haven]

my artificing and etching luck is godawful

[drifting quest]

doesnt need much to be said
its hard to fully plan out realistic energy gen because of how quickly runs can devolve into vibes based driving and swapping rotations, plus things like akekuri combo aren't accounted for

[neat snow]

The crafting book is the last thing I have to do in the game. I just got the farms up and running today

[tranquil burrow]

I am currently rich but I also only really hyper invested into one team

[drifting quest]

so you kinda just

feelscraft it with time

[ocean hawk]

aight, will forward this too, thanks for the help

[broken shale]

Unfortunately I did two teams at the same time and destroyed myself

[whole crystal]

YES

[tranquil burrow]

Artificing makes essence maxing look almost trivial

Especially that final level on kit...

40 attempts pity for one stat

[heady pine]

is there a reason this is no longer the bis for endmin?

saw prywden changed this build to double flint with aethertech gloves and I know thats the same in iana's guide as well

might have to change

[whole crystal]

same, and that after I half built my starter team

[broken shale]

I was trying to figure out whether I want last rite or physical, and found it physical is way too much fun

[torn raft]

Atleast artificing doesnt have an opportunity cost with your sanity

[sudden lichen]

my advice for craft farming is just to do one round every day to each good farm spot for every material

[broken shale]

Never build your starter team

[torn raft]

U just get it thru factory

[sudden lichen]

that way you get the best returns and don't burn out either

[torn raft]

Essence maxing you lose out on every other resource

[tranquil burrow]

Brings me back to my Valley bills point. They can make up for sanity expenditure on essences.

[whole crystal]

you just said you built it lol

[sudden lichen]

also it avoids the pain of waiting for respawns

[torn raft]

Valley prog is limited

[tight haven]

the 3 frogs cave doesnt drop quillbeast livers

ts pmo

[broken shale]

I mean, physical is pretty darn good

[neat snow]

Okay I'll probably do that. Not in a huge rush just want it done eventually

[sudden lichen]

no set enemy drops anything

[tranquil burrow]

It's enough to hyper invest in one team and still have tons left over, I dunno about multi team builders but that's just asking for trouble

[torn raft]

Maybe it helps you finish off the 2nd team but after that it's hell

[sudden lichen]

only exploration enemies drop materials

[whole crystal]

yes that was my starter team

[tight haven]

wdym set enemy

[sudden lichen]

and alluvium (but not most "final elite" EXCEPT the ballista, which is the only source)

[sudden lichen]

like non respawning scenario enemies, like guarding chests etc

[tight haven]

they respawn

they just dont drop anything

[lofty frigate]

with endmin should i try to ult every other rotation at the same time? or just ult whenever breach is on the enemy

[tight haven]

also the rakerbeast falls under this definition and its the only place to get rakerbeast fur

[sudden lichen]

wait, I'm mixing up things yeah

[whole crystal]

I just killed one guarding a golden chest and he dropped smth

[hexed prairie]

chat, is it real that we cant hit 19800 arsenal ticket even when we hit that 120 pity on char banner?

[sudden lichen]

anyway, non respawning enemies don't drop anything

respawning ones do

[tight haven]

endmin does 4/4 rotations; 4 vuln for pog to breach then 4 vuln for endmin to crush

[torn raft]

Isnt it 15840 for pity

[hexed prairie]

oh so 9 issue?

[tight haven]

dapan's rotation is described as 4/8 because his rots involve 4 vuln breaches then two 4 vuln crushes

[hexed prairie]

i thought it was 10

[torn raft]

Did napkin math with some1 and it averages like 900 arsenal tix per 10 pull

[tight haven]

its 10

[lofty frigate]

yeah that’s what i’m doing, but endmin isn’t getting her ult every big cycle

[sudden lichen]

anyway, since my journal is almost cleared, I know most of the good spots for every material farm, so do ask if need be

[neat snow]

Okay thanks

[tight haven]

this does not sound true

[hexed prairie]

wait, isnt u only get 200/5 star and 20/4 star?

[tight haven]

wait

yeah

how is that possible

[tranquil burrow]

You will get 8560 arsenal tickets with 120 pulls in the worst case (1 5 star each 10 pull and getting 2 6stars only, one at regular pity and one with spark)

[whole crystal]

guarantee on arsenal is 8 issues

[torn raft]

It doesnt even factor the free 20 pulls and early pity i think @tight haven

[sudden lichen]

if you get 6* every 30 pulls I guess

[hexed prairie]

dang that's nowhere near enough

[daring dove]

Nearly there

[tranquil burrow]

The actual average arsenal ticket per pull after mathing everything out is actually 77, which adds up to 9240

[hexed prairie]

i only got like 4k left lmao

[tight haven]

yeah you would need obscene average luck to make that work

[torn raft]

He used the expected pull value for 6☆ with soft pity and etc

But going for initial 120 i think 900 is reasonable

With the free pulls

[hexed prairie]

full gain efficiency?

[neat snow]

No that sounds right to me

[tight haven]

okay well you're like

an anomaly

[neat snow]

I did 500 pulls and had almost 50k

[sudden lichen]

anyway since they mentioned adding early pull resources, I hope we'll get more crafting oro rewards

[hexed prairie]

why are using full ult gain efficiency?

[tight haven]

dude you got a 6* like every 30 pulls

that is not normal i assure you

[daring dove]

P5 Laevatain, with P5 weapon I just want to ult as much as possible. Getting the extra 210% DMG bonus from my weapon is far more important than getting the 50% DMG from Hot Works.

[burnt zodiac]

anyone here checked that the ultima laeva set is better dps wise, if so when?

[torn raft]

Past the 120 i think it becomes questionable

[tranquil burrow]

But it's not as bad if you continue mathing things out. Average cost of a limited char is ~77 pulls. Average cost of a limited sig is ~51 pulls. With 32 pulls per average limited obtained and buying BP that gives 12 pulls + 3 from weekly, you reach ~46 pulls per patch.

That means you come quite close to getting a limited char + sig with just BP every patch OVER THE LONG TERM. These are amortized rates.

[torn raft]

If you have shit luck it's around 750

You actually want to lose the 50/50 if u want weapons

[high finch]

i dunno how much standart tickets we gonna get but wpn tickets are kinda ass to farm rn. How much we get? 2400 from paid bp and like 100 every week so it's 600 and total of 3000 per patch around that

[tranquil burrow]

And always buy weapon pulls with origeometry if you can. It's several times more cost effective than pulling more on char banner just for weapon pulls.

[hexed prairie]

i got 20k after doing 60 pull on rate up and, idk how much i do on standart, but my average 6* is 34, if i got unlucky that's goin to be hard to get the arsenal ticket needed

[sudden lichen]

and if we add external pull sources including the monthly card, this should make a decent safety net

[hexed prairie]

wait, u can buy it? the only way i know is using either gacha to get it or credit

[high finch]

on cbt1 we had a mode which provided you with arsenal currency. but i guess we're not getting that back

[tight haven]

it is 1 origeo = 25 arsenal tix

assuming you only want to spend for weapons it's better to buy it directly i suppose?

[sudden lichen]

possibly still working on it, there's still a wip slot next to etchspace in permanent modes

[tight haven]

i wouldn't recommend it

[tranquil burrow]

It's about ~4x more cost effective

[tight haven]

it is yes

[high finch]

i assume it's for umbral

[abstract fractal]

why did they use 3d models in these portraits instead of splash arts in cbt? are they stupid?

[whole crystal]

yes

[hexed prairie]

so its better to cope with bp weapon rather than pushing it

especially if u get one early

[torn raft]

I think buying the weapon arsenal and the pack is bad if it stops you just pulling 120 for every banner

[tight haven]

this is advice for spenders only

[sudden lichen]

splash art so much better

[ripe parrot]

late response but i am investing into a phys team on a new account and compared to laev team i am living in abject poverty

[torn raft]

Dolphinos if u plan to pot a future weapon to 5 do 120 on each banner probably

[hexed prairie]

the free bp one also give u weapon right?

[tight haven]

if you are f2p you shouldn't be spending origeo on weapon pulls unless you're going to die without one

[sudden lichen]

anyway, the future optis list seems pretty promising

[ripe parrot]

i legit am living on scraps (quest t-creds) because i can't fund everything

[tight haven]

yeah, though for the most part every bp sig is about 20% worse than their actual sig

[broken shale]

Yeah same here

[sudden lichen]

mood, did you already empty out the v4 shop?

[drifting quest]

id spend OP on a cracked banner as a f2p tbh

but it has to be like literally

all hits

[whole crystal]

real

[drifting quest]

even one whiff i dont press it

[tight haven]

yeah if it was all bangers then sure

if my whiffs are to like

[ripe parrot]

uhh i progressed so fast on my alt account i am still getting v4 bucks to increase income

[tight haven]

thermite and det unit

[torn raft]

Give us monthly arsenal

[tight haven]

sign me up

[torn raft]

[ripe parrot]

my outposts legit cannot give me enough money

[drifting quest]

the yvonne banner is gonna be cracked

i can feel it

[ripe parrot]

because they are too poor

[tranquil burrow]

Endfield alt account

[broken shale]

How so?

[high finch]

do the deliveries yourself. they give you 20k t-credits and you can do extra 3 for other ppl. so it's like 100k from yours and 60k from others

[torn raft]

Also it's insane yvonne is in 5 banners

[high finch]

160k credits/day

[torn raft]

Truly the poster operator

[ripe parrot]

sir, i am doing 6x

[drifting quest]

the worst rate ups have the best offrates logic

[ripe parrot]

i am still poor

[half pelican]

GUYS What should I wear on Amber?

[tranquil burrow]

You'll still get White Night Nova, 4 of them

[tight haven]

whos amber

[burnt zodiac]

should I upgrade that gear or start investing in the new one

[tight haven]

ember?

[amber vapor]

#team-build

[drifting quest]

id only been doubling the amount i have, could be worse

[broken shale]

Please no

I have 3 already

[whole crystal]

relatable

[hexed prairie]

invest in a new one

[tranquil burrow]

It really tickles my brain to max out a gear piece but it is objectively a poor use of artificing materials

[sudden lichen]

I feel like they know it's the money maker

[broken shale]

I did a bunch for people and got nothing

[amber vapor]

Yvonne is gonna get a buff when her banner releases trust 🗿

[broken shale]

Perfect integrity too

[burnt zodiac]

even with no extra copies of weapons/surtr?

[torn raft]

Put good weapons in her weapn banner

[hexed prairie]

true or maybe don't pull for the weapon if there are some good alt especially if the character is a support

[broken shale]

I WISH

[tight haven]

yep

[broken shale]

I already have her, I'm not investing until she's good

[tight haven]

trust in the process

[amber vapor]

I did for the memes and I regret not thinking about it

[tranquil burrow]

I am waiting for Wulf sig or Thermite Cutter to show up on weekly rotation

[broken shale]

I trust in not trusting the process

[sudden lichen]

I will, I don't care

[hexed prairie]

i mean, that's not a lot of dmg boost anyway, u rather invest to some character that need breakpoint

[broken shale]

Unlucky

[broken shale]

I still won't, duality of a man

[burnt zodiac]

which?

[high finch]

they mail you and it's only if you deliver to npc not to the owl. owl is a mf who doesnt pay

[torn raft]

Does thermite cutter potential have good scaling to spend the 2.4k?

[tranquil burrow]

Probably not

[broken shale]

Yeah but how do I know whether I'm delivering for an owl or a npc? For other people's deliveries I mean

[torn raft]

I swear i havent heard anyone talk about its potential in here

[tranquil burrow]

You will eventually want to grab the sig for each new 6 star operator you're interested in

[burnt zodiac]

thats the (obvious) team, what should I invest instead of that gear?

[ocean hawk]

sooo I agree to disagree ?

[high finch]

god i wish the next wpn in the shop for 2400 is lifeng spear

pls

[high finch]

i don't know

[tranquil burrow]

I don't think they'll put 6 star sigs in there since they have a separate banner

[sudden lichen]

you have 3 unique delivery rewards per depot, so that's 4x3 240K tcreds waiting for you

[tranquil burrow]

But weapons like thermite cutter and 5 star sigs should show up

[high finch]

but we had endmin sig there

[tranquil burrow]

Endmin is built different

[broken shale]

But what about the deliveries you do for other players?

[hexed prairie]

i dont think standart character weapon will showup

[high finch]

nah,don't ruin my cope

[tranquil burrow]

But would be nice to see 6 star sigs too

[torn raft]

Yes operator sigs will be a dollar in a year

[tranquil burrow]

Imagine if later down the line we see limited sigs

[torn raft]

Unironically

[sudden lichen]

you just need to complete a delivery with the recipient

[hexed prairie]

as they already have their own issue to pull

[broken shale]

I did, got not creds

[daring dove]

Yeah full ultimate gain Laevatain seems so toxic to the games balance she's just spamming her ultimate.

[sudden lichen]

it's only for npc

[torn raft]

Gacha is toxic to any game balance

[tight haven]

id love to play ult spam laev

[drifting quest]

its more arpg gacha

[tight haven]

shame that 200 artificing cores isnt enough for it

[drifting quest]

i feel like most other genres are on average pretty safe

[tight haven]

i love artificing 👍

[drifting quest]

exceptions exist ofc

[sudden lichen]

where's my city builder gacha

[tight haven]

p5 fangyi better come in 200 pulls

[tranquil burrow]

Let me calculate the odds for you

[tight haven]

i dont need a calculator i need a witch

[sterile herald]

hi someone send me 10k so i can get p5p5 li feng and some snacks

thanks

[drifting quest]

honestly now that i can play phys maybe i just cope and go for the valiant from laev sig box

2 goes for it

[high finch]

cope for lifeng wpn for 2400

[drifting quest]

maybe i pick up a chiv on the way

[drifting quest]

its not in the rotation is it

only the non sig ones are

[torn raft]

I have potential 4 former finery

I want to die

[tight haven]

it shouldnt be

[high finch]

how do you know? is there a list ?

[teal pawn]

Oh I just realized I could get Valiant in 20 instead of going all in for that twink's sig

[drifting quest]

the fact they have dedicated banners

not confirmed but assumed

[hexed prairie]

btw do we have a way to get consistent standard banner ticket?

[tight haven]

dude no

bro

[drifting quest]

they werent in cbt either

[tight haven]

stop

no

dont pull on that banner 💔

[high finch]

yeah,but i'm still coping

[torn raft]

Probably biweekly/monthly events

[hexed prairie]

why? im just asking, aint pullin if i got no ticket on me

[torn raft]

See in a few days

There's 2 "events"

[high finch]

i guess i have to save shit for lifeng signature than

[tight haven]

i was talking abt the person who already pulled past guarantee on pogs sig

[high finch]

or cope

[drifting quest]

was the arsenal rotation in cbt the same

do we know the future order based on it

[torn raft]

Laev weapon lasted 2 weeks

[hexed prairie]

really need to hit that pity, need my potent 4 lifeng asap

[teal pawn]

That's not even past guarantee

[torn raft]

Also yvonne was second so it's different

[teal pawn]

[drifting quest]

i mean the weekly/daily rotation

[tight haven]

okay account saved

[drifting quest]

endmin sig > oblivion > ?what tomorrow > ?what in future weeks

[torn raft]

Kinda cant say too much the weekly looks similar i stopped playing later half to stop burnout

[tranquil burrow]

0.41% chance

[tight haven]

do you know any hexes by chance

[high finch]

if someone from cbt could remember that

[tranquil burrow]

I mean think about it this way, 1 in ~200 will get her P5 in 200 pulls

[drifting quest]

#2C9E49

[torn raft]

Also we're close to large surprise box

About to be disappointed

[tranquil burrow]

What large surprise box

[torn raft]

Paid bpass

U get 1 med and large per lvl

[ripe parrot]

guys... i think i'm cooked. i'm doing basic training simulations to get t-creds

[hexed prairie]

btw chat, if i already got the char before the pity, and i don't have enough arsenal ticket to guaranteed the weapon, is it worth it going for it? or just cope and save?

[tranquil burrow]

Oh that one's going to be 20 oroberylls every other day or so

[high finch]

i really wish to try my luck on lifeng wpn but i'm gonna sit still untill i get 8 wpn pulls ready. also i might need my leftovers on future chars if i get really unlucky. this game really teahes you patience

[drifting quest]

wait for standard banner pulls to get more tokens

potentally a 2k payout via selector

[tight haven]

little more than

we will get event quests and more weekly quests

[lime bear]

M3 Laevatain ult first right

[daring dove]

Last two levels are going to take a long time. Not sure it's worth the sanity to push for them so early into the game?

[torn raft]

5 mediums gave like 60

[hexed prairie]

i mean for future case, rn i already got everything i want for this patch

[tight haven]

do it

[drifting quest]

most sigs are worth it based on our sample size of 3

i dont expect that to change

[hexed prairie]

or just upgrade anything else and use the gel for it

[tranquil burrow]

Cope and save because the only cost effective option to get missing pulls is buying with origeometry but that's only if you're a spender since you're unlikely to be able to hoard enough to purchase many weapon pulls (unless you only need a handful)

[tight haven]

thats only like 5 days' worth of sanity

assuming youre refreshing with geo twice a day

[torn raft]

You get a 2.7% chance to win the upgrade

No way u have to gel both

[tranquil burrow]

Is that worth it?

[lime bear]

no

[daring dove]

Yeah I think I'll just start farming essences for my other characters & use Gel to get it in the background overtime.

[lime bear]

just save for pulls and future bp

[hexed prairie]

hoping there goin to be a support banner that have a good alt to showup

[pseudo canopy]

Would y’all go for lifeng p3 or pog p1 with that free selector ? I’m using physical team obv

[teal pawn]

Oh shit you're right

[drifting quest]

lifeng p3

[teal pawn]

[torn raft]

Just pull and spend exchange tokens compared to buying sanity

[teal pawn]

Maybe I can get that Yvonne sig

[high finch]

lifeng p3 is nuts

pick it

[tranquil burrow]

I am hoping for that too but very low chance of this

[pseudo canopy]

Isn’t it a mini tiny improvement ?

[drifting quest]

per arknights (not endfield) we do get certs (equiv of arsenal tokens) from selectors

[high finch]

if you have his sign he's gonna be a monster

with p3

[drifting quest]

but people said ardelia didnt give 2k

[hexed prairie]

is the selector an item that will get in our bag or we have time before it expired

[drifting quest]

it'll be in mail

[pseudo canopy]

Ye got it, with some dupes

[drifting quest]

until you use it

i assume

[lime bear]

got 50K orundums and 10 limited pulls 🤑 enough for hard pity rn

[high finch]

lifeng is a an actual monster. i dunno why some ppl understimate him

he's op

[lime bear]

saving it for 1.1 tho

[tight haven]

yes

[hexed prairie]

are u goin to pull gilberta?

[tight haven]

80 sanity for 2 origeo

sign me up

[tranquil burrow]

2400 sanity or 30 runs or 90 essences for 9 character banner pulls, hmmm

[pseudo canopy]

Agree on that haha and cool ultimate

[hexed prairie]

and btw, yvonne is by far the worst character from 1.0 right?

[lime bear]

probably just gonna try the limited pull they give, if I got her or lose 50/50 idc since it's only 10 pull pity anyway

[torn raft]

Opportunity cost of arsenal tickets buying sanity

[tight haven]

by far

[hexed prairie]

and u get like 5 from the shop reset too right?

[lime bear]

Ember?

[high finch]

i really wish we gonna get some ways of arsenal tickets income. rn it's kinda sad. atleast you can get an r5 bp wpn with paid one

[tight haven]

talking abt limiteds

[teal pawn]

She's ass

[hexed prairie]

limited only

[lime bear]

yeah that's what I meant, gonna use 5 of that and 5 limited ticket to try my luck

[teal pawn]

Cheeks, even

[ripe parrot]

i know usually people want to m3 chen's ult first, but as a solo chen gamer, do you guys think I should go for BS/CS for m1-3?

[lime bear]

oh

[hexed prairie]

i mean yeah she is ass and i love her ass

[lime bear]

Yvonne has many good personalities

as Perlica said

[hexed prairie]

4 big personality

[lime bear]

but must stay strong for Fangyi wife 🔥

or Rossi

[jovial grove]

https://tenor.com/view/bosnov-67-bosnov-67-67-meme-gif-16727368109953357722

https://tenor.com/view/lucifer-lucifer69-luciferauction-gif-21825542

[shut cobalt]

how worse is ember compared to lifeng in physical? (in %)

[high finch]

how much sanity you need to 6/6 1 wpn stat?

[teal pawn]

He's a twink who keeps spooking my pulls

[hexed prairie]

if only everytime i see a red i pull someone else than him

[tight haven]

ingrate. we should take your fengs away

[high finch]

i wish all my 50:50 loses will go to lifeng

[ripe parrot]

mods, de-feng him

[hexed prairie]

i got a good 6 star ratio pull, but half of them is just lifeng all over again

[teal pawn]

please do

[drifting quest]

no feng no fang

[sterile herald]

does anyone have the video for the rodagn wr clear with elec team?

[tranquil burrow]

Too lazy to calc right now but odds of +5 & +6 are 5% and 2.6% respectively from what I’ve read

[shut cobalt]

?

[sterile herald]

infinite

[tight haven]

https://www.vxbilibili.com/video/BV17h6aBXEHD

[hexed prairie]

that's crazy to hit

[drifting quest]

too large to quantify
you're comparing a brick to a house

[shut cobalt]

got it, thanks

[torn raft]

Dont compare them as same type of unit

[torn raft]

Just if u want healing or dmg

Simple as

[digital scroll]

how much worse is clannibal vs obj on wulf in laev team? i offrated clan just now so im wondering

[drifting quest]

gain: minor sustain
lose: link, buffs, personal damage, sp

[tight haven]

it hardly matters once you have max artificed ult gear on wulf

clan just opens up more rotations where you play into it

[ripe parrot]

would like some input on this as well friends

[hexed prairie]

im in a +4 basic stats and +3 skill stats rn, which one should i upgrade before using gel?

[tight haven]

id save gel for +6

[ripe parrot]

i find clannibal awkward to use in practice

[drifting quest]

clannibal is a decent stat stick for a unit that does no damage, with a useless passive you get once a lunar cycle
OBJ means less artificing but more essencing
Clannibal means more artificing but less essence

[hexed prairie]

so, fish for skill is the play?

[ripe parrot]

i can sometimes squeeze it in but a lot of times i don't use the sp because i need it for other uses

[high finch]

just imagine. lifeng p5 makes his abilities with knockdown deal an extra of total 350%. and his ult have 320% at lvl9. but it's free and every 15 secs

[tight haven]

it is REALLY awkward to rotate around but it works as intended

i have clan p4 and its judt

pretty good

[teal pawn]

You know, I could totally use the selector for P3 but I really don't feel like pulling for his sig 💀

[tight haven]

p3+sig is fucking nuts

its hard not to recommend it

[hexed prairie]

u got it in 10 pulls, gotta believe urself

[high finch]

lifeng sign come home

[sterile herald]

is this confirmed?

[tight haven]

confirmed by players

[teal pawn]

damn true

[tight haven]

ahem.

[sterile herald]

gotcha

[ripe parrot]

wait, chen's ult costs 70? that's really cheap lol

i never realized until i saw the numbers myself

[hexed prairie]

fr, even lifeng had to be 90

ahh btw, how much ult gain do we need on pogra?

[drifting quest]

53% or so

its in the pins in team build

[hexed prairie]

at one of my rotation i had him close to his ult but yeah it still need one more skill to hit that

[drifting quest]

would be nice to have it pinned here too