theorycrafting

[sterile patrol]

op for catcher

[frozen tide]

That's kinda hilarious

They must've done it on purpose

[drifting quest]

just wait for the def > damage scaling weaken phys carry

[safe sand]

man is triple swordmancer truly the way for a pog/chen/lifeng/endmin team

[sly nymph]

ya

[frozen tide]

Chen runs swordmancer in that yes

[drifting quest]

low investment it was what was clearing

[safe sand]

i mean so does lifeng and endmin lol

[drifting quest]

right now at higher investment no

[woeful plume]

quad swordmancer:

[frozen tide]

I thought lifeng ran xiranite

[sly nymph]

he does damage why would u gimp him like that

[twilit quail]

it's pretty good

actually

in a lot of situations

but the real answer

is to just get him to p4

[safe sand]

die

[daring dove]

No wonder Enfields world is on the brink all this technology & someone is still trying to use triangles as wheels.

[summer flicker]

i wonder how worth is delivery guarantee with the difference of like 5.6% art dmg dealt vs opus p5

[frozen tide]

What do you run on him at p4

[drifting quest]

opus is harder to proc

[sterile herald]

what kind of stats should i be looking for before I go for foodless trims?

sitting at 5133atk on p1 lae

[twilit quail]

his charge req goes down to only 29.6% at p4

and we only need 1 piece

to meet this

[balmy jay]

[frozen tide]

Ah

What is brodium doing

[summer flicker]

what's the 3rd option for gilb, stanza right, i guess im saving to see if i need anyone sig after gilb 3 banner, if not i guess i get gilb sig

[twilit quail]

so we can take one core

artifice it up

and that is enough charge

[drifting quest]

mostly stanza

[twilit quail]

we are free to take swordmancer after that

and he can do morbillion dmg

[frozen tide]

Phys is really just quad dps

[safe sand]

well i mean

[twilit quail]

there are also whispers

of a forbidden

lynx slab lifeng build

[safe sand]

please consider the arts intensity pog

[drifting quest]

finally the answer to everyone asking if lynx laev is good

[frozen tide]

The lynx slab is like the green goblin mask

It keeps coming back

Prydwen.gg lists slab for laev bis

[drifting quest]

prydwen is wrong

[twilit quail]

lynx slab is definitely real on ange though

but that is because it has her primary and secondary as well

[frozen tide]

I am aware

[twilit quail]

so she gets omega atk

[safe sand]

how much atk are dps units that dont have atk on their weapons supposed to get

~3.5k?

[versed gate]

anyone know what the stats are for Froced Arts Reactions? Are they equivalent to a single-stack reaction?

[frozen tide]

It forces on the arts reaction

Skipping the usual steps to get to it

[drifting quest]

forced reactions are 1 stack

yes

[frozen tide]

Might also have overrides to norms of that arts reaction

Like duration

[versed gate]

and they're still affected by intensity I suppose?

[frozen tide]

Yes

[versed gate]

superb, thank you!

[sterile herald]

<@&956153874383781928>

[normal nymph]

CN bro digged into game file and made a video

This is mostly what's accurate recap about it

With some theory added in

[rare rover]

Yoo free money

[frozen tide]

Brooo i was about to write down that code

[normal tangle]

greedy feds want to keep all the free money to themselves

fucked up system yo

[rare rover]

[plucky warren]

Are different damage skills additive or multiplicative? For example DMG vs staggered and ult damage

[shy bloom]

Is Clannibal required for Wulfgard in Laevatain team? What would be dps loss if not using it

[lime bear]

close I'll get it next tmr

[lime bear]

I used OBJ and his ult spam build

with redeemer and all

[frozen tide]

Not a requirement

Only requirement for laev is just her sig id argue

[shut cobalt]

question, if i were to log off with a limited number of batteries, but before i logged off it was fine, would the game save the producing and when i log back in it'd produced based on what it was before i logged off or it will update automatically even when im offline and it'd shut down completely?

[pulsar sail]

Does essence need to match perfectly to the weapons stats to max out everything while etching (after brining it to full to potential), or can you etch any essence to max out the stats?

[frozen tide]

To get max etching you need a 3 for 3

To be the base

[woeful plume]

latter

[shy bloom]

The dps loss is not noticeable without Clannibal? Do you have a guess how much percent loss is it?

[frozen tide]

Factory should run as if you were logged on but due to optimizing processes might not quite be so

[pulsar sail]

so if you generate a essense with all matching stats you can bring it to max with etching for that weapon?

[frozen tide]

You can make the essence 6/6/3

Which means a p0 full ascended weapon with that essence will be 9/9/4

And a p5 weap will be 9/9/9

[real mist]

is gilberta's ult dmg additive to normal dmg %?

[urban plaza]

Is ginseng stew the better consumable compared to fortifying infusion?

18% dmg dealt just sounds so nice, but I only ever see talk about base atk

[frozen tide]

Less than 16 percent

[frozen tide]

It would depend on whether its an independent multiplier or not

If i had to guess it would be that it isn't and its additive with the other dmg dealt bonuses

In which case it would be way worse

[drifting quest]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=j3h1YeQoLKg

with mid team too

gear wise

no more excuses

[frozen tide]

Nvm way less than 16 percent like i said prior you don't ever activate the passive anyways

So total team dmg drop is probably basically unnoticeable

[shut cobalt]

got it, thanks

[lime bear]

how's Marble post nerf compared to Triaggelos? even back before she's nerfed still easier than Triaggelos tbh

Triaggelos invul frame is jusg so annoying

you need to be patient smfh

[drifting quest]

tria is more annoying

thats about it

[fathom spear]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8bfXL2pPDTk tria still trim

[woeful plume]

if yvonne can trim marble

i got massive skill issue

[drifting quest]

its a food run

no stew meeting though

[woeful plume]

kill stew meeting

[fathom spear]

food is kinda mandatory to yvonne anyways, cr source 😭

so les just not say yvonne without gilberta is unplayable anymore okey

[drifting quest]

still kinda is

[fathom spear]

kinda is and still clears, absolutely not unplayable vro

[drifting quest]

me when the rng run does good rng

[lime bear]

I already maxed plot my ginseng, my big harvest ready in 4 hours

[dim latch]

so have ppl finaly come to the conclusion on what the best items are for pog?

[lime bear]

tho again my essence still isn't maxed and still M1 M1 lmao

[drifting quest]

not that the run isnt impressive

just that its not going to be replicable for most people

[lime bear]

so prob DPS ain't gonna be enough

[real mist]

wait does gilberta has any ultimate dmg buffs or only efficiency?

[frozen tide]

Unplayable is a bit of an exaggeration more like never worth building and committing to

[lime bear]

I'll prob buy the free limited banner tickets and try my luck with Gil

she's pretty good daily qol and prob will be the best for upcoming Electric Fangyi trust

[fathom spear]

well there are still people saying she's unplayble when someone ask what team for her without gilb

[frozen tide]

I take the ember approach when somebody asks that

[drifting quest]

its hyperbole but no one takes the time to listen or read nuanced arguments

[frozen tide]

To not bother unless they really want to

[tired summit]

hi

[fathom spear]

as in like not recommending alternative and straight up say no 💀

[amber vapor]

True. Gacha gamers do not know how to read and somehow especially in this game they don't know how to do anything when there's so many tutorials that explain everything.

[real mist]

I can't really find this "massive ult dmg buff" from gilberta some random talking about gilberta

[frozen tide]

Her ult

[drifting quest]

prob just means the suscept on her ult

[amber vapor]

You mean her p2?

[frozen tide]

I get what you mean it would be best to suggest an alternative while letting them know it won't be good

[drifting quest]

i keep meaning to make an faq to save time but then dont

[fathom spear]

yeah i always do it

[drifting quest]

i spent a lot of today sheeting

[woeful plume]

the problem is, people will straight up possibly pay for a character

[real mist]

I guess suscept beats antal whole round buffs or is amp, also considered a diff calc?

[fathom spear]

wym ?

[drifting quest]

diff calc how

[woeful plume]

like when we say dont play yvonne without gilberta it kinda incentivizes for ppl to spend

[real mist]

like a separate calc from dmg %

[frozen tide]

Should we say don't play yvonne then

[amber vapor]

Susceptibility and arts amp are separate things yes

[drifting quest]

no they're all in the same total damage calc

[woeful plume]

if they got yvonne let them play yvonne, if they dont have yvonne let them know it will be terrible

[drifting quest]

but they're multiplicative with different sources

not additive

[woeful plume]

like whats the point of saying yvonne is shit to someone that already has yvonne at 90/90 m3

[drifting quest]

as in amp and suscept is multiplicative

[woeful plume]

its pointless slander

[frozen tide]

Sunken cost fallacy

[fathom spear]

true, i just want people not to straight up not recommending other teams to yvonne espec for those who get her early and get so dissapointed, we should let them know she's completely playable and can do stuffs like trim

[frozen tide]

Start investing elsewhere

[neon geode]

is kunst tube or jakubs legacy better?

[woeful plume]

its called investing on an unit you like first week of the game bro

[real mist]

what about amp and normal dmg %, like electric dmg %.

[woeful plume]

investing on a limited 6* you got

[drifting quest]

again multiplicative

[frozen tide]

And they can choose to play and build them but they should be informed their 6 star is dogshit

[ocean hawk]

againts ?

ginseng ?

[neon geode]

theres an even higher atk buff ?

[drifting quest]

ginseng meat stew

[abstract fractal]

is combustion the worst arts burst?

[drifting quest]

ignoring edge cases

[amber vapor]

Yeah I don't think there's anything wrong with just honestly telling someone that Yvonne underperforms in the same content compared to other 6*s, generally speaking that is.

[lime bear]

is the weekly bp mission added every Thursday?

[ocean hawk]

ah, nah, I thought u asking both of that vs the ginseng

[abstract fractal]

it doesn't seem to do anything special?

[drifting quest]

combustion is a reaction, not an arts burst

its probably the worst though yes

[ocean hawk]

well, jakubs tube has the higher percentage soo

[foggy birch]

Guys which is better, pot1 sundering or pot3 aspirant?

[fathom spear]

yeah, just a bit too much of saying straight unusable without gilb rightaway

[frozen tide]

Aspirant

Never seen such a question before

P5 sundering outperforms p0 aspirant

[foggy birch]

It's for sub dps chen

[real mist]

btw if perlica trigger temp electrification with 4 stacks, even though it's instantaneous you still get the 24% arts dmg taken debuff right?

[frozen tide]

P3 aspirant is way way better than p1 sundering

[amber vapor]

Beauty of the Internet is that if you have a brain you take everything at face value and actually digest the information rather than taking it in blindly without even thinking about it.

[foggy birch]

How about pot1 thermal cutter? Is it better than the aspirant for sub chen?

[drifting quest]

perlica combo will not consume infliction stacks

[amber vapor]

What's the team comp

[neon geode]

what stats does ginseng give ?

[foggy birch]

Endmin chen pog panda

[sterile herald]

just got my first boss trim without food

[fathom spear]

just like the capitalized " DO NOT PLAY YVONNE WITHOUT GILBERTA " in pinned doc . Not the best way to phrase it for the people 😭

[frozen tide]

Ok im ngl im kinda dumb i thought u were comparing sundering to ascent not aspiring

Im pretty sure p3 aspirant is still a bit better but lemme double check

[amber vapor]

I think if you're specifically looking at a build guide then seeing the epitome of minmaxed is fine.

[drifting quest]

you have maybe 10 words to highlight to people yvonnes various kit nuance, skill expression and lack of team options
go for it if you can do better

[ocean hawk]

+180 atk and 11% CR iirc

[drifting quest]

is the way its phrased good? no
is there a better way to phrase it with proper nuance and fact? yes
will people read the nuance and fact? no

[woeful plume]

all the credits to the teambuilding guide but, i rather see the team building guide than 80% of the team building section posing the problems of the character in an improper way

[neon geode]

how is that better than jakubs?

[amber vapor]

This is why footnotes are always nice

[foggy birch]

I'm kinda new to this game, usually id do the tables but im just lazy nowadays

[woeful plume]

imagine you get yvonne off banner, you want to build her, you open the doc and the section is called "Yv*nne"

[frozen tide]

Yeah aspirant is better but if you get more pots in the future p5 sundering>p5 aspirant

[ocean hawk]

I dont say its better than jakubs, I already revise my answer earlier, but for food its depends on the operator imo

[fathom spear]

no hate fr

[woeful plume]

shitpiling on the unit wont suddenly make the unit turn to someone else

[frozen tide]

Mf talking like yvonne is a special needs person

[amber vapor]

Complain enough and the devs will do something about it though at least

[real mist]

how much difference is Delivery Guaranteed and Stanza of Memorials for gilberta? 22% atk buff is pretty big no?

[twilit quail]

sundering

[woeful plume]

she does have special needs alright

[drifting quest]

The same people who build yvonne anyway despite warnings are those who come and complain they cant clear story or alluviums or endgame

[twilit quail]

aspirant is not good at all

aspirant on same dupe level as sundering is almost 20% dmg loss

[ocean hawk]

I mean, isnt complaining to dev is different than blatantly tell player their pulled op is bad?

[foggy birch]

Aight thanks allat

[sterile patrol]

The ATK% is rarely better than the flat atk and then average crit multiplier makes meat stew even better

[frozen tide]

Np just remember that at same pot sundering is better 👍

[twilit quail]

p5 aspirant is a little better

than p0 sundering

but outside of that use sundering

[frozen tide]

What bout p3 vs p0

I think that's what he has

[drifting quest]

doesnt stew atk scale better than jakubs still

if you have like any amount of atk%

[twilit quail]

1 dupe or 0 dupe

1 dupe sundering is better than 3 dupe aspirant

[drifting quest]

thermite, weapon secondary line, etc

[amber vapor]

Not really no. You can tell someone that the op they pulled underperforms and if they still decide to build the character that's on them. Some people are fine with mediocrity because that's still enough to clear all content. But when it's a limited 6* you would expect them all to measure the same without needing crutches.

[foggy birch]

How about thermal cutter doe?, just got it earlier from laev weapon spook

[frozen tide]

@foggy birch scrap what i said this guy knows more

[twilit quail]

dont use it on chen

it's a good weapon but not here

[real mist]

how much difference is replacing antal with gilberta in avywenna's team?

[ocean hawk]

agree to that one

[frozen tide]

Thermite is goated but chen doesn't use it

[foggy birch]

Aight

[frozen tide]

[whole crystal]

WE NEED GAER PRESETS

[sterile patrol]

Ye with ATK% sources itll be better, corrected my bad

[foggy birch]

Would love to see scaling tables of the weapons

[drifting quest]

presets would make swapping laev build easier

i was testing the seals build on akekuri

feels good

[fathom spear]

hypergryph will not make a operater kit change, yvonne will have to wait for her optimal support, abysmal options rn
worst case scenario waiting at 2029 for the new module system 💀

[ocean hawk]

but, for that last opinion, well imo not all limited char work standalone and we cant expect them all to measure the same, its kinda nitpicking no?

[frozen tide]

Wikis aren't very complete yet but has 0/9 to 9/9 for every weapon in endfield

[twilit quail]

fyi what sundering is competing with is rapid ascent

p5 sundering is better than p0 ascent

aspirant does even come into the conversation here

[whole crystal]

and I could use akekuri (or however her name) for laev and rite without having to swap 5 gearpieces manually

[high finch]

didn't they add a button to autocomplete all sims? where is it?

[ocean hawk]

on the aic sims page in each sims category

[foggy birch]

Mannnnnn

[ocean hawk]

u need to press the button every sims it has

[whole crystal]

b.b but what about ember

[frozen tide]

Sundering do got insane atk bonus

[fathom spear]

the next "endgame" mode will need a bit of sustain so if players are bad at dodging so ig she can do very well lmao

[twilit quail]

the weapon effectively reads +56% atk for chen

[amber vapor]

Yeah you can't expect them to all perform exactly the same given their class differences but you definitely should expect them to do well with their kit without it being hindered because they don't have a very specific setup. The issue with Yvonne is how much more she needs to do compared to a character like Last Rite for a fraction of the damage.

[twilit quail]

and that's way better than anything aspirant could ever do

[ocean hawk]

ahh, well yvonne needing another 6 star operator just to function properrly feels.... yeah

[twilit quail]

it does kinda suck that it looks like box cutter though

[ocean hawk]

i thought only me that think that

[twilit quail]

it's a good weapon

but it's ugly as fuck

[sterile patrol]

transmog

[frozen tide]

Wild that a 5 star weap is that good for dpsing

[amber vapor]

Just goes to show how raw stats are way more important than rarity

[sterile patrol]

chimeric justice has 42 atk...

[ocean hawk]

if its not because this channel help, I already pull ascent rn and regretting my choice

[twilit quail]

if chimeric just had agility instead

[sterile patrol]

[twilit quail]

it would be really good

[amber vapor]

Ember alter gonna be her using her hand cannon trust me

And her ult is gonna be her converting it into a rail cannon

[tranquil burrow]

The drip is terrible when she's using dual swords

[ocean hawk]

I rarely saw the dual swords aspect tho

[frozen tide]

Chen has impeccable efficiency working at the amazon warehouse

With the double extra large box cutters

[stoic ruin]

what is pog ult gain breakpoint?

[amber vapor]

In hongshan swordmancy they train the young disciples by making them carry one extra fragile large depot box in each hand

[drifting quest]

52.6%

its listed above

[stoic ruin]

💀 i'm blind..thanks

[drifting quest]

happens to the best of us

[stoic ruin]

it was under chen so i skipped it

🫡

[twilit quail]

oh new fire rhodan record just dropped

with gilb

15.59s

[drifting quest]

there's gilbless yvonne trims now

for marble and dorito

[twilit quail]

【【终末地】15.59秒！弱势火队，没有数值全是手法！】 https://www.vxbilibili.com/video/BV1JgfDBREzG/

[drifting quest]

takes 4 minutes but clears

[twilit quail]

god even after the

massive nerfs going into live

bahahahaha

NEW GILB SET JUST DROPPED

[drifting quest]

lmao

does it

matter for the clear

what

[twilit quail]

10 stagger

yes

because she can apply lift once

and activate it

[real mist]

how much difference is antal and gilberta with avywenna's team?

[twilit quail]

oh yeah

there's another version of this speedrun timeline

with XAIHI

and SWORDMANCER ARDELIA

[outer ermine]

anything goes w rhod nowadays ig

[frozen tide]

Xaihis multipliers are nuts

[twilit quail]

I mean yeah she is equivalent

to 3 antals

[frozen tide]

Wait is this laev clear

[twilit quail]

I still cant believe it

swordmancer

ardelia

[quartz flame]

he's cooking

[high finch]

ppl don't believe in lifeng supremacy

dissapointing

they think it's kinda ling yang from wuwa

[frozen tide]

The fact that a maxed out xaihi applies 48.9 percent cryp and nature amp with ult alone

Not accounting weapon active

[dull oriole]

WHAT

[real mist]

oh p5 laev

[frozen tide]

Is nuts to me

[drifting quest]

if only xaihi had actual cryo application

[amber vapor]

We love our toaster whisperer

[frozen tide]

Can't ask to have everything

She has absolutely busted cryo amp

[high finch]

I'm sitting on 160 pulls and thinking,should i pull gilberta or just wait for some hotties from 1.1-1.2

[frozen tide]

Oh my god

I wasn't taking xaihi p5 into account

Its not 48.9

[tranquil burrow]

Trust in the vanguard Rossi agenda

[frozen tide]

Its 53.79

[ripe parrot]

if I'm running phys team but also want to do solo boss challenges, i'm thinking I want to max chen first. thoughts on this guys?

[high finch]

does she group up on her skill or ult only?

[high finch]

rossi is who?

[ripe parrot]

italian wolf girl

[frozen tide]

She applies another 20 percent arts amp with her battle skill

[high finch]

oh nah i don't like her. it's a skip

[frozen tide]

And her combo skill applies 10 percent arts susc

[high finch]

if she's phys i'mgonna stick with endmin

[heavy fossil]

you can solo with anyone so it’s not like it matters too much

[frozen tide]

(53.79+20)(1+1/100)

[ripe parrot]

it's either her or lifeng in terms of optimal(ish) solo clear

[heavy fossil]

can lifeng consistently get combo skills solo though?

I can’t test him cause I don’t have him but it seemed like he wouldn’t be able to

[high finch]

wait where do you get that info from?

[frozen tide]

Her talent tab

[ripe parrot]

that's why i feel like it's skewed towards chen since you can't take advantage of him as well in a solo setting

i thought about the da pan but getting to full vuln stacks solo is really slow

[high finch]

you can read rossi talent tab ingame?

[heavy fossil]

idk who’s optimal for solo damage

[ripe parrot]

also slow af auto attacks make solo clearing more annoying but that's a skill issue

[high finch]

oh or you'r about xiahi

i missed the point

[frozen tide]

Oh i was still on my xaihi tangent

Lmfao

[high finch]

lol i was thinking wtf

[frozen tide]

Every time i get reminded of xaihis amp capabilities it baffles me

[high finch]

like:believe in rossi and some numbers......

[ripe parrot]

chen passive + easy proc CS + natural damage multipliers makes me want to say it's chen

[pulsar sail]

What would you say Estella's best weapon would be? Right now I have her equipped with Jet, but she doesn't combo as often as other characters, so I'm wondering if equipping her with her other recommend weapon would be better?

[frozen tide]

74 percent arts amp and 10 percent arts susc with good uptime from 1 support that hardly takes sp

[heavy fossil]

I mean probably, she’s fully self sufficient with good multipliers

[frozen tide]

Not including weapon active

[heavy fossil]

or laevatain

[ripe parrot]

maybe i'll do a test run once my chen is higher level

[high finch]

i will pull up xiahi when frost nova appears

just need to wait.....a little bit

[ripe parrot]

but i'm not gonna have crowns because there's no way i'm buying the battle pass on two different accounts

[ocean hawk]

finally done with today wuling transfer

it only take 8 min for all 3

[frozen tide]

Crowns being locked behind bp is kinda scummy

[ripe parrot]

totally agree

throwing a paywall for extra progression mats feels pretty awful

[frozen tide]

Ig f2p can get enough crowns for 1-2 talents if they use every exchange currency on crowns

[drifting quest]

events have crowns too

likely 3 every 2 weeks from umbral

[tranquil burrow]

Umbral isn't rotating I think

Not sure though

[drifting quest]

we have 2 umbral monuments in 1.0

we just dont know if we have a 3rd in 1.1 and then beyond that

[tranquil burrow]

It looked pretty lame from what I can tell, I hope we get a different and better endgame

[frozen tide]

Etch space salvage is rly cool but not fleshed out

I feel like you should constantly be taking dmg and getting attacked or sum

[drifting quest]

etchspace feels like one of those modes that will never feel great to play without massive revamping

if it were an actual roguelike I think there could be potential

[sterile patrol]

rn it feels very random

[ripe parrot]

etchspace is just screaming for meta progression

i think it actually could be cool

[ocean hawk]

it reminded me of elysian realm on hi3, but.... with the time limit....

[frozen tide]

Etchspace has potential

Highk fw the vibes

[sterile patrol]

ye

[ocean hawk]

it doesnt have any objective indeed

[ripe parrot]

just introduce like relics or something and add extra time the higher etchspace level you go

and now it's actually neat

[terse furnace]

It does have meta progression in the form of the quests we do. They're just fucking dogshit

[ripe parrot]

yes i meant real meta progression

[ocean hawk]

why not just remove the time limit

[ripe parrot]

as in roguelite progression

[frozen tide]

Time limit is alr too generous

[ocean hawk]

its kinda strange for that kind of gamemode tbh

its emphasize on time limit rather than inability to proceed further coz of team performance

bad metric imo

[frozen tide]

If everything stays the same always and you unlock shortcuts that cut across the map no reason for time lomit to be so long

[drifting quest]

etchspace felt slow and tedious because of constantly having to reset to begin with and then you do like 3 quests and it becomes slow and tedious because you can survive nearly forever

[frozen tide]

The zip lines take you any section of the map in seconds

[tranquil burrow]

I still haven't done it. How long does it take to get all rewards? Mainly interested in the 10 standard pulls

[ocean hawk]

my take is: add exchange store for etchspace currency the crystal or smth

[frozen tide]

You can go from area 1 to 4 in 2 ziplines

[ocean hawk]

in the current condition, its useless to proceed further

[frozen tide]

And less than 10 secs

[static pewter]

Now am thinking if it's worth it

[ocean hawk]

or just add weekly mission with proper reward

[drifting quest]

a couple hours to max it out at worst

[tranquil burrow]

Oh, that's not too bad. May as well get it over with.

[ocean hawk]

some other gacha games has this roguelike / buff selection gamemode, and has a weekly mission / store exchange for rewards

[drifting quest]

im sure cbt players with experience of the map could do it in like 2

[ripe parrot]

og arknights has literally the best roguelike

[drifting quest]

integrated strategies my beloved

[ripe parrot]

anything even remotely close to IS would be awesome

[drifting quest]

sadly the formula doesnt work except in a game like arknights

[ocean hawk]

can u tell me the formula they used

[ripe parrot]

i could see it work in endfield

[ocean hawk]

coz I didnt play arknight

[dire agate]

I feel like it would have been much better if reaching time limit made mobs progressively more dangerous instead of just kicking you out

[drifting quest]

arknights is a tower defense with hundreds of units so roguelikes have actual variety to them because its very easy to draft different units each run

in an arpg like endfield team sizes are smaller and roster size is a lot smaller so runs would feel a lot same-y

[ocean hawk]

ah

[drifting quest]

then buffs would either be super generic or super polarising

[ripe parrot]

i mean relics exist to mitigate that kind of issue

[drifting quest]

runs would have to be a lot shorter with a lot more relic variance really

[ocean hawk]

well, seeing that gamemode on non gacha games like hades and smth similar on gacha games, the buff usually is character / progression choice specific

[ocean hawk]

tbh, I dont have any issue with time limit "IF" it has any meaningful purposes

since time limit usually used to limit the player to farm too much currency that has high value

wtih the way etchspace work rn, it strange they implement time limit. for what reasons ? since we already have bagpack storage limitation for the item / crystal, and it doesnt give good rewards after u complete the milestone

[shut cobalt]

around how much of this do u need to fully artifice a char's 4 gears? (want to know that so i can maintain that number)
if anyone has made the math anyways

[whole crystal]

200million

[woeful plume]

when is the new gamemode/event

[amber vapor]

Off the top of my head it's like 4k I think?

[woeful plume]

worst case scenario is probably like 8k for all 4 pieces

[whole crystal]

I cant stand her bootyshorts

[frozen tide]

SAME

[ripe parrot]

don't like thirst trap yvonne but that's not really relevant to #theorycrafting

[whole crystal]

Im not alone

[next helm]

Don't know if I should lvl my yvonne and grab BP or just wait and use Laev

[woeful plume]

can we not make it general chat 2 i dont want this channel to get nuked by a mod

[shut cobalt]

got it, thanks

[amber vapor]

Whichever team comp you enjoy more

[woeful plume]

are u not gonna try for yvonnes weapon

[amber vapor]

Obviously Laev is better but

[ripe parrot]

yvonne does have that fun factor. i think her ult is actually cool

it's just hard to get her optimally set up at the moment

[next helm]

At some point you are gonna want multiple elements at least I assume

[amber vapor]

She's too vulnerable in her combos though and her kit ends up being way too clunky compared to the fluidity of Laev

[ripe parrot]

1. gl on pulling her
2. gl on getting her weapon
3. gilberta is off-banner right now

[noble tapir]

Is it better to invest in stagger dmg% on physical vs. more generic options?

[next helm]

I got all 3 ops

Lucky I know (for once in a gacha)

[ripe parrot]

as in, more dmg when the enemy is staggered?

[dry kindle]

Ok whel

[next helm]

All 3 in 120

[noble tapir]

as in off piece bonecrusher mask instead of aethertech gloves on Endmin, for example

[amber vapor]

More generic options imo

[next helm]

are these gone if you use them?

Or can you keep them as a keepsake

[noble tapir]

use em you lose em

[ocean hawk]

with the current limitation of wuling outpost, can we earn 4.8 just to buy all weekly artificing crystal

all 40 of the 60k ones and 20 of 120k ones

[amber vapor]

Current Wuling credit cap is 6.3mil so theoretically yes

[ocean hawk]

with the earning I mean

not by saving

[amber vapor]

So stock bill savings from the outpost is a max of 1.25mil at a rate of 16770 bills earned hourly (12900/hr base + 30%). That means it takes ~3.1 days for the outpost to max it's stock bills. So in ~6.2 days for 2.50mil just from stock bill savings.

[next helm]

I have 20k for weapons and 15k is a guaranteed sig, probably getting gilbertas

[ocean hawk]

so we cant empty that weekly artificer for now

wait, 210k x 3

[amber vapor]

This doesn't include the 20% chances from assigned operator

[ocean hawk]

OH

well, we all have wulfgard didnt we

didnt the 30% is including the operator bonus

the defend only give 10

[amber vapor]

Yeah so there's a 20% chance for each stock bill earned by the outpost to earn 1 more; and a 20% chance to earn 1 more bill per 1 bill earned via trading

[ocean hawk]

ahh you mean for the trading bonus

my bad

cant we just times it by 1/5

[amber vapor]

The 30% is the 10% from defense + 20% from op

But the game tells you the ideal maximum

[ocean hawk]

yeah and the op give another 20% for the trading one

[amber vapor]

Lemme just screenshot rq

[ocean hawk]

16770 is the hourly average for me

[ocean hawk]

yeah

[ocean hawk]

so this calculation already take the bonus into account

2.5 from outpost trade + some trading bonus

[amber vapor]

Now if you get lucky with sales:

[ocean hawk]

630 from environtmental 3 times per week

the sales discount didnt change btw

[strong warren]

anyone with a max artificed laevatain know how much atk i should have

i'm about 2/3 done and she has 5627

[dry kindle]

At least 4 🗣️

[strong warren]

not wuling buffed

[next helm]

Depends on the set

[strong warren]

tidefall jacket

no dupes

[chilly sapphire]

I think I'll have her max artificed by tomorrow

[dry kindle]

My sheets doesn't work yay

[chilly sapphire]

yay

[ocean hawk]

add 900k from item trade with average base item price on 1k and profit of 300% for 100 items times 3.5 since it refresh 50 per day

so we have

2.5 from outpost
0.63 from environtmental
0.9 from item trading
and
280K times 7 from depot (if assuming we all take wuling transferr job for all 3 with minimum of 70K payout) totaling of 1.96

[chilly sapphire]

what math is this

1.96 million?!

Wuling creds?!

[strong warren]

i checked yesterday

1sec

[amber vapor]

So 2.5mil every 6.2 days from stock bills trading + 79200 (x7 days = 554,400) daily from depot (Medium crate w/ raw materials) + 3 transferred jobs daily (numbers vary) x 7 days

[ocean hawk]

we will have 5.99 mil per weekly

[ocean hawk]

ur calculation more accurate

[chilly sapphire]

You do have to keep some buffer to buy stocks 💔

[ocean hawk]

so ~6 mil weekly ?

[ocean hawk]

I always buy when full 100/100

[strong warren]

and usage

[chilly sapphire]

makes sense

[ocean hawk]

or use half of it if it doesnt have good profit

[strong warren]

all catalysts + gear craft + 1st tier engrave ticket

[ocean hawk]

7 mil ?

[strong warren]

yeah

[ocean hawk]

gear craft ?

which one is that

[chilly sapphire]

8k per crafting

[strong warren]

8k components per gold gear

[ocean hawk]

ah

[strong warren]

to artifice

[ocean hawk]

forgot that

so we left with 7k only ?

weekly

[strong warren]

doesn't include using catalysts from previous weeks or just making brand new gear for other characters

[ocean hawk]

I didnt even buy operator gift yet

[strong warren]

yeah you probably won't be able to buy everthing if you buy engrave tickets

[ocean hawk]

[amber vapor]

Ok since im too lazy to calculate the min and max for proper variance/average I think you can make around 4.5mil wuling creditss reliably

[strong warren]

150k a day from stocks is kinda high balling

needs you to buy at 1000 and sell at 4000 so

[amber vapor]

As long as your elastic prices and depots (self + transferred job) are good

[strong warren]

maybe less

[ocean hawk]

yeah

so averaging in 5-6 mil

[chilly sapphire]

hoping there's atleast one more PAC in wuling in next upgrade

[ocean hawk]

i rarely saw wuling at 400% tho

[amber vapor]

I'm getting between 2.5k and 3k daily per item

[ocean hawk]

now the question is

[amber vapor]

1.8k profit margin rn esp

[ocean hawk]

is there anyone that already buy that tianshi pillar model

👀

[chilly sapphire]

Nah XD

I focused on laevatain so much

[ocean hawk]

1.8 per item ?

[chilly sapphire]

barely have any creds at any time

[amber vapor]

ye

[ocean hawk]

isnt that like 200% ish

[next helm]

How many essences is it on average to go from 1-> 2 for passive

[ocean hawk]

eh nvm

[amber vapor]

yes

that's usually my best percentile everyday

lowest I ever get is 150%

[chilly sapphire]

do you mean the weapon skill? I was pretty unlucky it took me 30

Meaning coolant gel

[strong warren]

9.17

[ocean hawk]

thats good

[next helm]

wdym 9

[ocean hawk]

the lowest i saw is 50%

[amber vapor]

someone posted the table earlier today

[next helm]

Last one I used 30

[ocean hawk]

even when that item on the red

[strong warren]

you mean line 3 right

its 10.9%

[next helm]

This one I am on 18 not upgraded yet

[shut cobalt]

wait, shouldnt u be using this?? i thought the right one was the best

[ripe parrot]

i'm guessing arts intensity's dmg bonus for lift/knock down stil procs even when boss weight is heavy?

[chilly sapphire]

Don't make the mistake of using coolant gel for 1→2 tho 😭

You should do it for 2→3 or something

[ocean hawk]

[next helm]

Yeah last one with gel I heard

But 9

[ocean hawk]

i waste my gel

[strong warren]

best to use gel for 5-6

[next helm]

is so low compared to how many I used

[strong warren]

2-3 is the worst one to use gel for btw

line 3

better off just rolling it

[next helm]

Where is that table?

[strong warren]

got it off some video

[next helm]

How do I read this

[chilly sapphire]

I'm super unlucky 💔

[strong warren]

lower the number on the right the better it is to use gel

[chilly sapphire]

I use it for 1→2

[strong warren]

so 5-6 only

and dont use gel for 2-3 line 3

[next helm]

4% chance

[ocean hawk]

what is that percentage

[strong warren]

success rate

[shut cobalt]

?

[ocean hawk]

huh

I've been failing 60% one

[chilly sapphire]

10.9% chance for 1→2, 4.2% chance for 2→3

[strong warren]

also i simulated it a bit yesterday

but maybe griefed the code

idk

[ocean hawk]

thanks bit

[strong warren]

seems accurate enough

[ocean hawk]

uhh is the gel we get from failed always same

10 per fail ?

[strong warren]

yes

[chilly sapphire]

so sad

[ocean hawk]

it means I need like 45 fail

[strong warren]

you usually just end up with enough gel to gel the last 2 5+6s

[ocean hawk]

just forr 1 5 to 6

[strong warren]

yeah

if you get lucky and reach that point before 45 gel just go upgrade other weapons

and come back to gel 5-6

[ocean hawk]

even losing all that 1 to 5

doesnt give enough gel for 5 to 6

bruh

[amber vapor]

What runs out first? Irl sanity or in-game sanity lmao

[next helm]

Bro

[ocean hawk]

eh

[next helm]

how do I fail 30 times

[ocean hawk]

did i miscalculate

[next helm]

on 1-2

[ocean hawk]

how much is the pity for each stage

1 to 6

[chilly sapphire]

Just like how people fail every 50/50 before 120th pull

[strong warren]

2nd to last column here

[ocean hawk]

wait nvm, we didnt have pity for essence rright

the pity only for artificing ?

[strong warren]

no pity

you just get more gel

[ocean hawk]

[plucky warren]

Essence pity is the gel

[ocean hawk]

welp

[chilly sapphire]

grinding pain

[stable oxide]

@twilit quail sorry for the ping but in the sheets you mean that laeva full ult recharge gear set is better overall compared to standard tide build or it's just more comfortable?

also great work

[chilly sapphire]

wouldn't you be losing the battleskill damage if you don't go for the standard

[stable oxide]

yeah that was what i was wondering too

with full recharge you can just finish ult with 4 stacks and basically instantly enter back in it

[chilly sapphire]

and just triple crown her combo and skill for ult recharge 💔

[stable oxide]

so you kinda have perma ult

[dry kindle]

The math is not mathing

[stable oxide]

ah yeah that also gives ult recharge

[chilly sapphire]

That's certainly nice to have

[dry kindle]

It doesnt

💀

[stable oxide]

i might be blind but in the sheets it just says it's comfortable but i was wondering if it's actually more damage overall in the whole fight or not

[chilly sapphire]

Obviously it doesn't, it doesn't fully focus on ult recharge

but increases it a bit

[dry kindle]

This is why we can't have nice things

[twilit quail]

depends on fight

but it is 100x better in any daily stuff

[chilly sapphire]

I would say look at the 456k damage build on bilibili

[high finch]

so you just save gel to 6?

[stable oxide]

yeah that i imagined

[twilit quail]

in highend it's like 50/50 as to whether charge or fire

is better for the fight

[rare tundra]

Topic: Achieving as many stock bills as possible in both regions trading wise

Context:

I have officially 100%'ed all the Outpost Prosperities and Regional Development Levels. (L12 V4, L6 W) My goal now is to optimize how many stock bills I gain daily, which I believe I have done but would love for someone to double check if I may be missing something.

Stock Bill Savings Earns:

• Refugee Camp = 29148/h (40% Earn Total)
• InfraStation = 38976/h (40% Earn Total)
• ReconstructionHQ = 51408/h (20% Earn Total)
• Sky King Flats = 16770/h (30% Earn Total)

More Optimization:

For further Optimization I will always be ensuring that the Operator assigned provides a 20% chance to earn 1 more Stock Bill for every Stock Bill gained through trading.

Avg Max Stock Bill Income per Outpost

• Refugee Camp = 34977.6/h (40% Earn + 20% Trading)
• InfraStation = 46771.2/h (40% Earn Total + 20% Trading)
• ReconstructionHQ = 61689.6/h (20% Earn Total + 20% Trading)
• Sky King Flats = 20124/h (30% Earn Total + 20% Trading)

Visual Comparison: (Without/With Trading)

• Refugee Camp = 29148/h > 34977.6/h
• InfraStation = 38976/h > 46771.2/h
• ReconstructionHQ = 51408/h > 61689.6/h
• Sky King Flats = 16770/h > 20124/h

Conclusion

The maximum totals you can get for each type of Stock Bill (on avg) from just trading add up to:

• 143378.4/h Valley IV Stock Bills
• 20124/h Wuling Stock Bills

My math formula to calculate the average was - ( 0.8 x (x) ) + ( 0.2 x (2x) )
Since everyone should end up getting the same amounts as me at the end of the day, I just wanted someone to doublecheck my math.

[drifting quest]

i dont think its gonna change on that regard either

[twilit quail]

it has a good place in highend

and makes daily 10x better

so I think it is very worth the effort

[drifting quest]

its gonna be a pure preference on set thing for most people

[strong warren]

yeah

[drifting quest]

also like charge set is good on all 3 non 4th slot flex members for laev team

akekuri wants it

[stable oxide]

if i go lynx without tide and have m 3 both skill and combo do i manage 2 cycle ult ?

[drifting quest]

wulf at p5 wants it

[stable oxide]

if you know

[drifting quest]

no

[twilit quail]

lynx slows it down

[stable oxide]

damn

yeah i just wondered how much

thanks guys

[dry kindle]

Bruh

[drifting quest]

additional energy doesnt scale with skill level

technically in aoe

[dry kindle]

M3 doesn't help chsrge

[drifting quest]

lynx slab can 2rot too

[dry kindle]

[drifting quest]

since combo skill gains energy based on enemies hit

[stable oxide]

ah damn

@chilly sapphire made me dream

[twilit quail]

oh yeah aoe fights

xdddd

[drifting quest]

i loathe it

[stable oxide]

anyway thanks really

truly kind

[drifting quest]

energy calcs when the content goes from 1 to 2

[dry kindle]

Cant

[stable oxide]

have a good one, might bother with some other stuff in the future

[dry kindle]

With 4 team skill anyway

[drifting quest]

in aoe

[chilly sapphire]

Look

[dry kindle]

Explode

[rare tundra]

@amber vapor i assume you have the same conclusion as me?

[drifting quest]

110

[amber vapor]

Yeah I did the math earlier. Nice thing is the game provides all the numbers anyways

[rare tundra]

Yeah it provides all of em except the trading bonus, i was just making sure i didn't miss a reconstruction attack if i did miss it

[high finch]

how much gel 5-6 cost?

[rare tundra]

But yeah guess just doesnt exist

[high finch]

450?

[amber vapor]

Trading bonus is provided in the avg hourly

[rare tundra]

Is it?

That can't be right

Its specifically states outpost earnings

[amber vapor]

This yeah?

[dry kindle]

Wut

[drifting quest]

laev skill is 10 + 100

[amber vapor]

Oh you mean distribution

[rare tundra]

No

[dry kindle]

Its 100

[drifting quest]

is this en wording gap

[rare tundra]

You can get 1 extra when the outpost replenishes its savings and 1 extra via trading

[dry kindle]

Like usual

[drifting quest]

i need to double check the calcs then

[rare tundra]

The trading extra does not get added to the total as far as im aware

[dry kindle]

208% needs 3 battles when it should need 2

[drifting quest]

im pretty sure that it was 110 laev

assumed

[rare tundra]

The wording is precise

[drifting quest]

you do 3 anyway so its fine

[dry kindle]

Also it would be 106.5 anyway smhsmhsmh

[drifting quest]

or well

maybe not

[rare tundra]

Which is why i had to math out the actual total amount you get including the trading bonus

[ocean hawk]

im still didnt sure with the trading bonus calculation

isnt it 20% chance to earn more per 1 stockbill

[dry kindle]

Anyway another slab L to the collection

[amber vapor]

Oh right my b

[ocean hawk]

rather than 20% bonus forr the stockbill

[amber vapor]

Yeah it gives earnings not 20% from trade bonus

[drifting quest]

it makes it anyway

[rare tundra]

Can't decipher what youre trying to say here

[drifting quest]

but so does slab

[amber vapor]

20% per 1 stockbill to earn 1 more in a trade

[ocean hawk]

well en isnt my main language

so

[drifting quest]

or well wait

is combo also not additional

[ocean hawk]

im not sure with the trading bonus aspect

[dry kindle]

Yep

[ocean hawk]

yeah

[rare tundra]

Youre not sure with the trading bonus

[drifting quest]

that cant be right

[rare tundra]

Ye got there eventually

[drifting quest]

(2x6.5)+100+25 = 138
x2.08 = 287

[rare tundra]

But uh i don't see why itd be wrong

[ocean hawk]

in your calculation it mentioned 20124 per hour with the trading

im not saying it wrong

[drifting quest]

i gotta make sure im not delusional

[rare tundra]

Yep

[amber vapor]

But yes your calcs seem good to me

[ocean hawk]

im just curious how u calculate it

[drifting quest]

3 skill 1 combo

[ocean hawk]

the 20% chance to earn 1 more stock bill per 1 stock bill trade

[rare tundra]

I wrote the math formula at the bottom

Wait

[ocean hawk]

"My math formula to calculate the average was - ( 0.8 x (x) ) + ( 0.2 x (x) )"

uh

im confused on this

[rare tundra]

No youre right I just wrote it wrong on discord

(0.8 times the amount) + (0.2 times double the amount)

I forgot to write 2x

Since 20% of the time its double 👍

Ill update it rq

[ocean hawk]

ah

[rare tundra]

Ye forgot the 2 lol

[ocean hawk]

so (0.8 x amount) + (0.2 x 2 x amount) ?

yeah its the correct formula for the bonus average

[strong warren]

is it not just 1.2x

[amber vapor]

You can also just do the raw calc like this: For Wuling [(12900/h base output) + (30% bonus output)] + 20% trade

[rare tundra]

( 0.8 x amount )+ ( 0.2 x (2 x amount) ) ye

[ocean hawk]

yeah

literally 1.2x

if u collapse the calculation

[drifting quest]

i went to test in etchspace because i was grinding it a bit and wondered why energy wasnt lining up

[ocean hawk]

it has it own buffs

[drifting quest]

did you know etchspace salvage turns all your gear into 0 artificed versions

[dry kindle]

E*chspace

[ocean hawk]

eh ?

[ocean hawk]

now I didnt know about that one

[heavy fossil]

is +20.7% secondary attribute a good gear stat?

[ocean hawk]

anyway thanks for adding the formula

[real palm]

I think I finished it all before I upgraded any gear

[rare tundra]

Yes actually

[dry kindle]

If you need it

[ocean hawk]

pls dont make this channel nuked by mods

its not another general chat

[real palm]

does anyone know how bonus stagger damage is calculated? does it get its own bucket or get added onto the 30% stagger already gets or...?

[rare tundra]

Guy posted it in every channel lol

Him thing not a channel thing

[dry kindle]

1.3x own bucket

[rare tundra]

And its gone!

[terse furnace]

God, ts is not worth the amount of Wuling Dollars I've poured into it

[bronze wedge]

How about the stagger damage from gear?

[real palm]

So 40% DMG bonus vs stagger = stagger damage is now 70%? (instead of 30%)

[rare tundra]

I mean having the best possible lae ignoring potentials is a nice goal

[terse furnace]

But I gotta start working on my Gilb's stuff...

[frigid vector]

all my wuling bills for mi fu/fangyi

and the male spear dude

[rare tundra]

Lifeng?

[frigid vector]

the other male spear dude

that appeared in the trailer

[twilit quail]

the thought of having to buy the 120k a pop artificing consumable

[frigid vector]

that's upcoming

[twilit quail]

man

I mean Im doing it already

but it sucks

[rare tundra]

I didnt see a trailer

[twilit quail]

it's not good!

[frigid vector]

this dude

spear HSR blade looking ass I'll take it

[amber vapor]

calcing the numbers is fun, but going through it is pain indeed

Which is why I've spared myself the pain :^)

[bronze wedge]

Is there anyone datamining the game?

[amber vapor]

I would recommend not asking this on the official discord.

[bronze wedge]

Idk what the stance on it is here, most communities I've seen tend to be fairly lenient

[dry kindle]

That's damage dealt

[real palm]

so would it be the same as 40% physical damage bonus? (if I'm doing physical)

[dry kindle]

Don't forget there's always the chance of another wuling gear batch

[twilit quail]

artificing consumable mk2

[next helm]

Was there something you could use base materials for in beta?

[real palm]

if bonus vs stagger gets added to the same bucket as other damage buffs seems kinda lame

[twilit quail]

it's in its own bracket

which is why it is good in physical

cause in many fights physical can control precisely where it staggers the enemy

[dry kindle]

Wait a minute

[twilit quail]

and then just dump dmg into that window

[dry kindle]

I thought it was +dealt

[real palm]

I don't think anyone has tested it and I don't want to do it myself >_<

[bronze wedge]

Prob not too hard to test if you have a decent calc to compare with

Or even just take 2 samples

[tranquil burrow]

If it makes you feel worse I got lucky and hit +3 on both pieces early

[summer flower]

O.O

[rare tundra]

.

[plucky warren]

Are different damage bonuses on gear additive or multiplicative (ie. Ult damage bonus and damage bonus vs staggered)

[drifting quest]

any active damage% bonuses should be additive

[daring dove]

I need better artificing luck, only two INT upgrades all day an just wanna break 5k without buffs.

[ripe parrot]

hmmm, 332s clear on 90 rhodagn with solo chen and suboptimal weapon

I wonder if you can solo trim as chen

[real palm]

might be hard to shave 3.5 minutes off that

[plucky warren]

Someone has a 2:05 video

[dry kindle]

Already done

[plucky warren]

2:10 sorry

[sterile patrol]

DMG vs Staggered is the same bucket as the other DMG%s

unless i misunderstood what you meant

[real palm]

vs stagger is a tough sell then

[frigid vector]

ye gets pretty darn saturated

[sterile patrol]

ya to compensate it buffs by much more than normal main stats

[frigid vector]

stagger dmg itself should be a separate multi

but not the bonus

[sterile patrol]

and you time a lot of your shit in stagger anyway

[sterile patrol]

ya

the 1.3 is multi

[ripe parrot]

ohh so it's pretty much doable then

[plucky warren]

So then like if you have 50% stagger bonus then in stagger your damage is *1.3 *(1+.5+other DMG bonuses)?

[frigid vector]

https://www.bilibili.com/video/BV1n36vBPEJh/?vd_source=2333cbdc65b59f6ff9aa23e64112a156

try 01:55 solo chen

😔

[sterile patrol]

ya 1 + all DMG% bonuses and the 50% goes with it

[plucky warren]

Oh is default stagger bonus 50% I thought it was 30%

Or I misread nm

[frigid vector]

to be very simple, say you have 30% Heat DMG Bonus, 50% Stagger DMG Bonus and you're hitting a staggered enemy (1.3 multiplier), you end up having 1.3 * 1.8 as DMG Bonus is additive but separate from the stagger base

[sterile patrol]

Stagger is 1.3, i was assuming you had 50% dmg vs staggered in your question

[plucky warren]

Oh ok I see

Ty Lin

[frigid vector]

[sterile patrol]

the 1.3 might get influenced i nthe future by some op support

[frigid vector]

aye...

[sterile patrol]

lighter...

[plucky warren]

Interesting how there's no real diminishing returns then for stacking one type

[frigid vector]

[drifting quest]

you know they'll do that then the next x.0 release enemies who cant be staggered

[frigid vector]

well technically the more you get, the more diminishing returns you have by virtue of saturation

[drifting quest]

such is the cycle of life

[next helm]

Stat rework when

[sterile patrol]

💀

[tranquil burrow]

Who's the character in your pfp?

[drifting quest]

the firefly effect

[frigid vector]

1.5 x 1.5 x 1.5 = 3.375

whereas if you were to just build 150% on one stat

well

2.5

[frigid vector]

Bianca from Punishing Gray Raven

[tranquil burrow]

Thanks

[frigid vector]

just got a bangin new outfit too

😔

[dry kindle]

15.59 laev kill

Wao

Totally not 5+6

[next helm]

This guy like ultra famous in every gacha sweat community

[dry kindle]

Also rite is now 14.12

Sub 14 soontm ig

[frigid vector]

do we not have anywhere with p0/w0 speedruns

[dry kindle]

We do

[frigid vector]

cause p5/w5 is kinda pushing the limits

[dry kindle]

They're in the 50s tho

Elec has a 30 but I never checked it

[frigid vector]

damn 30?

avy my beloved

link cause I'd want to see routing

my essence stockpile is truly ginourmous at this point but I still don't have anything for JET

[drifting quest]

wasnt that one pots on gilb

unless its a different one

[dry kindle]

https://vxb23.tv/rRINBVO

[dry kindle]

Probably

[frigid vector]

king

or queen

actually had that one open who'd have guessed

[drifting quest]

its a new one

[dry kindle]

Gg electric op

[tranquil burrow]

So why is Rhodagn just standing there until chars hit him?

[dry kindle]

Because fraud

[frigid vector]

because they hit stagger node

so he stops momentarily

[dry kindle]

And that

[drifting quest]

fraudgn

[frigid vector]

and when you killing in 30s

[dry kindle]

But mainly fraud

[frigid vector]

15s of that is just him jumping

and exploding all over

[dry kindle]

Fangyi mifu sub 10 electric

Trust

[frigid vector]

well depends he's got like 3 patterns I guess

jump explode

triple punch

or side dodge into punches

[drifting quest]

there's a right choice and there's an avywenna choice

[frigid vector]

(all these after jump)

[real palm]

is Arts Intensity the only way to scale stagger damage?

[drifting quest]

honestly det kinda overrated

stanza supremacy

[frigid vector]

arts intensity is related to arts/reactions

i.e. breach

or electrification/corrosion

[next helm]

Det on xaihi tho

[sly nymph]

got the essence so now i just need upgrades and 2 dupes

and then done

[tranquil burrow]

That's a pretty big just

[drifting quest]

a noble sacrifice

[sly nymph]

bro i can buy dupes in the shop and upgrading will take 2-3 days

[dry kindle]

Brb rerolling account for jet

[tranquil burrow]

I don't have a single Avy

[next helm]

Fortmaker pog, what am I missing

[tranquil burrow]

Got P5 Alesh as punishment for some sin in my past life

[drifting quest]

er% + arts intensity

[cold turret]

What ratio of consumables is everyone running

rn i have 3 healing, 1 revive

[drifting quest]

so you can hit the ult breakpoint sooner and then stack more arts intensity

[sly nymph]

4 stew meeting

[cold turret]

mostly cause i suck at dodging

:^)

[dry kindle]

Explode

[drifting quest]

6 to 12 stew meeting, maybe 3 heals

[next helm]

How many stacks do you trigger the breach with?

Or am I mistaking it