theorycrafting

[frigid vector]

but it's still pretty smooth

very clean

[dry kindle]

well yeah i did interpolate it 💀

i wanna uncap but i dont feel like getting exploded by ac

[mystic halo]

ok after refamiliarising myself with this my conclusions are

you are probably right about this specific comp

[frigid vector]

aye

with gilberta I can do it

[dry kindle]

clearly the answer

[frigid vector]

but ardelia is too sp demanding

[dry kindle]

is arts intensity ardelia build

trust the process

[frigid vector]

you know

[mystic halo]

because I am an ake user in the slot

[frigid vector]

as much as I know you're fucking with me

I think it'd make for a hilarious video

[stoic dragon]

Is there an optimal rotation for this team? I do a 4 stack breach followed by a 4 stack crush, It might be better if there is already equipment

[frigid vector]

so who knows

[mystic halo]

and my times are way better with ake

so you're probably right about this comp here

[frigid vector]

ake imo is better with ultimate energy start

but her buffs are objectively worse

if you're killing so fast the damage doesn't matter though then

[mystic halo]

it's not actually a large difference

believe it or not

[frigid vector]

but as standard you're just gated by combo cd/sp recovery

[mystic halo]

in buffs

like as much as it is counterintuitive

[frigid vector]

you're replacing which char

ardelia?

[mystic halo]

yeah

[frigid vector]

that sus gain is huuuuuge though

plus being able to use her sig for arts dmg taken which should be a diff modifier

granted thermite is broki

and frontiers too

[drifting quest]

useless for monument stew meeting akekuri is like giga premium on sp

[frigid vector]

but the fact her link buff doesn't apply to lae is just doom

[drifting quest]

you get to do literally whatever you want sp wise

[dry kindle]

nah trust the process itll be good 🗣️

[drifting quest]

something like 3 ults in a minute

[mystic halo]

it's literally just carried by thermite

[drifting quest]

requires farming slug meat though which is

not fun

[mystic halo]

but my times even with 0 energy start

are way better

[frigid vector]

that I'm surprised

even at p0?

[mystic halo]

I got a 75s tri with charge

[frigid vector]

cause I can see that function well with p4 because of the ult energy diff

[dry kindle]

ardelia fraud unit gg

[frigid vector]

but akekuri only gives SP on stagger node

and the actual stagger itself without ult

her ult is 100 (god bless cbt2)

[mystic halo]

110s without

[dry kindle]

120

[frigid vector]

so you're still taking long to build up to her if you start from 0

[mystic halo]

I couldnt get below 2 mins with ard no charge start

and my marble time is liek 20s better with ake 0 energy too

[dry kindle]

oh its 2am

[mystic halo]

like maybe it's just pot diff but I think this is so much better

[frigid vector]

120* ye

well 110ish cause of pot 4

108 w/e

[dry kindle]

bleh

fuckin pot 4

[frigid vector]

but yeah, that's a lot of ult energy to build

when starting from 0

even if you bskill only on her for stacks

[mystic halo]

but Ive sold antal ake wulf to a lot of friends

[frigid vector]

with marble ake does very though that's for sure

[mystic halo]

who werent clearing trim

and they all reported very good results

on all 3

[dry kindle]

its uh

[frigid vector]

I think ardelia is better but you need to have good execution/timing on your route

[mystic halo]

like I guess my perspective is cooked but it has results for p0 too

[frigid vector]

like the one I had showcased earlier

for marble the extra stagger nodes do make ake more competitive

[mystic halo]

and tide/ake startup is unbelievably good

[frigid vector]

triaggelos is a pain in the ass, ake actually does crazy good for phase 2

[mystic halo]

even with 0 energy start

[frigid vector]

oh I don't doubt that

I think she's pretty solid

[mystic halo]

with hands you get ult 10s faster

and them you get thermite

frontier

[frigid vector]

10s faster with ake at p0?

[mystic halo]

and it's really not far off

yes

with one qte

[frigid vector]

well I guess you don't have to spend sp for buff

so that's fair

[mystic halo]

and about 400 int

[dry kindle]

that doesnt sound right

[frigid vector]

I think ake is a lot easier to handle than ardelia

by a long shot

[mystic halo]

I think the ceiling is way higher too

because ardelia plays by really strict timings

the most you can do is let corrosion tick

[frigid vector]

yeah

[mystic halo]

and ake uptime on thermite is actually insane

[frigid vector]

I mean it's free

[mystic halo]

in some fights

[frigid vector]

unless you're taking ages to stagger

[mystic halo]

I think it's way better

[frigid vector]

or the enemy has no stagger node

[mystic halo]

but maybe it's just me

Im kind of an ardelia unbeliever in general

[dry kindle]

atp you alt f4 by default

[mystic halo]

I think this unit is getting shelved SO fast

[frigid vector]

hm I feel speedrunning with a properly optimised ardelia rotation is wild simply because of the raw damage she pumps

[mystic halo]

proper optimised speedrunning

is going to be ange lmao

sorry

GILBERTA

for fuck's sake

[frigid vector]

I need to lab her more

so I can't comment honestly

her buff values seem honestly really middling

5s only is doomed

[mystic halo]

some technology was developed

in cbt2 for this

[frigid vector]

but she's way easier to work around

also very cute so w/e I'll make an excuse to run her

[tight haven]

she prints ults its hilarious

[mystic halo]

the 43% arts dmg increase

for whole team

and actually good personal damage

was very promising back then as well

if got a boss that like

had more HP

and didnt either die instantly to maxed out chars

[frigid vector]

I mean it's what

30% from ult art sus

[mystic halo]

or fuck off to a phase transition

36%

with correct timeline

you can get double qte in

and two satcks of phys debuff

[dry kindle]

and then another 40 or some shit from weapon isnt it

[mystic halo]

though it's not a big difference either way

the bigger is the 43.4% from weapon

that lasts 15s

[frigid vector]

19.2%

arts dmg dealt

[mystic halo]

if the bosses didnt instantly die to one enhanced skill she would have a spot there

[frigid vector]

so dmg dealt multi instead of taken or sus

[dry kindle]

40 p5 bleh

[frigid vector]

then 5.6% per enemy lifted

[dry kindle]

basically 25

[mystic halo]

the description is misleading

[frigid vector]

so 1 stack for bosses but giga loaded on aoe

[mystic halo]

the text is misleading in chinese too

[dry kindle]

lovely

[midnight stirrup]

like no ardelia but antal there?

[mystic halo]

if the enemies already have a stack of phys debuff

it will count as 0

idk if it is fixed

[dry kindle]

bruh

[frigid vector]

?

griefing

[mystic halo]

because "lift" and "lift that gets turned into stack" are different entities internally

[dry kindle]

the fuck are we playing a pmoon game

[mystic halo]

I HOPE it's fixed

[frigid vector]

tbh her weapon skill uptime should be consistent

like 3/4

[dry kindle]

anyway

[frigid vector]

but her ult is soooo short

[mystic halo]

oh yes the uptime is fantastic

[dry kindle]

50% ult gain on weapon alone

[mystic halo]

the ult being short is a shame but even so

[dry kindle]

90 cost

[mystic halo]

man that waepon is crazy

[dry kindle]

just fuckin send it atp

[mystic halo]

there was a cursed

[frigid vector]

if she can like

[midnight stirrup]

which weapon

thermite?

[tight haven]

80 ult energy

[frigid vector]

ult x2 per burst rotation

[mystic halo]

double ult in 20s timeline

[frigid vector]

it'd be pretty nuts

[tight haven]

gilb sig

[mystic halo]

for max pot ange

[tight haven]

delivery guaranteed

[midnight stirrup]

oh

[mystic halo]

it fits into det unit, thermite, stanza, all of that

[midnight stirrup]

yea i did see that on prydwen

kinda busted

[fresh lynx]

wait, Laevatein P1 1.2x battle skill is a multiplier, not an additive +20% to the skill damage right?

[mystic halo]

her personal damage there is legitimately crazy

[midnight stirrup]

i got my weapon currency ready for it

[frigid vector]

yeah

so it scales with everything

atk, dmg%, etc.

[dry kindle]

my beloved

[mystic halo]

we were getting 700k crit on it

add two of those

oh man

[fresh lynx]

so that means more battle skill pieces benefit it extra hard then?

[split latch]

Are you guys talking about Gilberta?

[tight haven]

yeah

[mystic halo]

yeah but in a deranged speedrunning context

[frigid vector]

it does ye, but I haven't done the math on pieces it does make x2 hot work pyrometer very competitive

[split latch]

ok lol

[frigid vector]

tbh I've seen people talking about

[tight haven]

even in general use gilb seems pretty solid

[mystic halo]

dont use this unit in single target boss if you dont know exactly what youre doing

[frigid vector]

cursed gilberta dmg builds

[tight haven]

the grouping is just so fuckin nice

[frigid vector]

sac any buffing set

who needs xiranite just dmg

bonekrusha enjoyer

[mystic halo]

yeah you stacked stat

she used 2x slab

because primary is right

and you go to the moon with atk buffs

with buffs and food she could get almost 10k atk stat

[frigid vector]

[dry kindle]

why lynx set gotta be a fuckin healer set

[frigid vector]

if gilberta main dps is not a meme

that'll be great

[mystic halo]

it's excellent unit for almost everything you will do in this game

[dry kindle]

cool now fund me

[frigid vector]

endfield is amazing for content

[mystic halo]

well main dps is a stretch

but doing everything else she does

[frigid vector]

it'll be sub dps ofc

[tight haven]

i finally got to fucking around with her since im not in poverty mode from maxing out laev

[frigid vector]

but like

[dry kindle]

anyone is main dps with ginseng

[mystic halo]

high uptime xiranite if you build for it

[tight haven]

snd yeah shes fantastic

[frigid vector]

if she can mog arclight dmg for example

that'd be big

[mystic halo]

dude arclight damage is fucking 0

[tight haven]

straight-up a more consistent healer than ard

lmao

[mystic halo]

outside of alesh meme team

BUT alesh in electric can trim all 3 bosses now

so you know

maybe it's not so bad

[dry kindle]

support slave gilb build is xira gloves tide chest right

[frigid vector]

I've seen it pegged as pretty high for mono elec team

idk about others

[mystic halo]

if you int and use 12q yeah

you should be using thermite

[tight haven]

i hope to god gilbs banner has thermite as an offrate

[dry kindle]

253.13 energy% on gilberta on a 90 cost ult

[tight haven]

i want pots on it

[dry kindle]

ok whel

[frigid vector]

same

[twilit quail]

dude imagine det and thermite on that shit

[frigid vector]

only banner rn that has thermite is what

[twilit quail]

oooh I would be bouncing on it

[dry kindle]

[frigid vector]

ardelia's weapon?

[tight haven]

im legit gonna p5 her weapon if true

[frigid vector]

so I wouldn't be surprised if they put it in gil's

[tight haven]

like just for the fucking

det and thermite pots

LOL

[frigid vector]

bruh

[twilit quail]

I think last rite's has it?

[dry kindle]

this fucking whel

[twilit quail]

idr

[frigid vector]

wasn't last rite

the GS

let's see

[tight haven]

yea

but i lowkey am not pulling on that shit

[frigid vector]

it's neither

[dry kindle]

go become 5+5 rite player

[twilit quail]

hell no

[frigid vector]

[tight haven]

det unit is there

[frigid vector]

well has det unit

[twilit quail]

but yeah det unit is there

[tight haven]

nvm i think its uhh

[twilit quail]

so

[tight haven]

lifeng?

[twilit quail]

xdddddd

[tight haven]

with thermite

ik thermite is in exactly one banner

[tight haven]

nobody else has it

[frigid vector]

it's ardelia's one

that has it

[tight haven]

oh

bro

trolling

holy shit

[dry kindle]

go pull

[twilit quail]

fun thing is that

[dry kindle]

trust

[frigid vector]

that's the one that has both btw

[tight haven]

fuck thats a good ass lineup

[twilit quail]

maybe the play is to just not pull pog sig anymore

[frigid vector]

it IS

[tight haven]

ardelia makes me want to throw up though

[twilit quail]

it's actually being bodied by both thermite AND fortmaker

[tight haven]

nty

[dry kindle]

can we get weapon skins tho

thermite fuckin ugly

[tight haven]

tru

[dry kindle]

max pot doesnt save it either

its over

[midnight stirrup]

is it actually

i got pog sig

or just in general value better

[frigid vector]

pog sig on pog is really strong no?

but thermite is way more flex

akekuri, arclight

[twilit quail]

nothing is set in stone yet but sig is looking worse and worse

[frigid vector]

pog sig?

[tight haven]

its phy dmg dealt i wouldnt doubt it

[twilit quail]

the only reason is that it has less buff for the team

his personal dmg becomes nothing

in current optimised phys

[dry kindle]

damage dealt isnt that saturated in phys is it

[tight haven]

35% teamwide at max stacks

[frigid vector]

the thing is that pog himself

absolutely shreds too

[twilit quail]

it's less than 10%

[frigid vector]

I've seen people building him with dmg instead of frontiers

[twilit quail]

with mathematically correct set

both dmg and frontiers are mathematically incorrect

[tight haven]

hes legit just a qte bot in tricked out phys afaik

[dry kindle]

nah hes intensity breach gaming now

[twilit quail]

he is intensity bot

[dry kindle]

since 3 hours ago

[frigid vector]

damn

updates come fast huh

[twilit quail]

nah like a day ago

[frigid vector]

is that why phys is the mines

[twilit quail]

but I only got around to doing the maths earlier

no no it's very good

the damage is incredible

[tight haven]

even in cbt2 im pretty sure most people gave up on him

[dry kindle]

damn

[tight haven]

started giving him xiranite set

LOL

[twilit quail]

we just have to assign pog to vuln application slave

[dry kindle]

still do

[twilit quail]

I wont go into the details but basically

[drifting quest]

how many more sets do we need to go through till pog has done them all?

[tight haven]

yea

[drifting quest]

crit pog next??

[tight haven]

TRUE

[dry kindle]

die

[fresh lynx]

is there a tldr of the Slab vs Tide debate? i see people saying its technically 2% better at endgame with everything maxed but i also see sentiment that Tide is just better at all points

[twilit quail]

we worked out charge thresholds and timelines so that every phys team member can ult at the same point during the rotation

[tight haven]

pog > yvonne you heard it here first folks

[midnight stirrup]

whats the complete team?

[twilit quail]

basiclaly, we can always give 2/3 of the damaging ults in the team Link from lifeng

[dry kindle]

we give up till umbral drops then die from cringe because we just use antal akekuri wulfgard there anyway

[twilit quail]

with max intensity(no artifice) pog eating the stacks applies like a 48% vuln

[midnight stirrup]

game gimme lifeng already

https://giphy.com/gifs/7ItZC9XRFMMRRTwGwt

[twilit quail]

so those big damaging hits are being multiplied by 1.48, then multiplied by 1.2

and it is infinitely better than using them on dogshit crush or whatever

[dry kindle]

id do math but the scaling makes 0 sense

[twilit quail]

lifeng gets better by the day

is all I can say

everything would fall apart without him

[tight haven]

just use hot work tide fall

[twilit quail]

and he can even apply xiranite here which

oohhh my goodness

holy shit

fortmaker lets pog run alternative gear sets because of its charge rate, and it also has intensity on it

and is looking very promising

[frigid vector]

Paper Pin for Tide vs LYNX:

• LYNX is always more damage even with x2 Battle Skill in an Ultimate, and a fair bit more if only x1.
• Tide is always more damage unless you have max Trust and etched Essences.
• On Ardelia team, Tide does not meaningfully change your rotation, so LYNX is objectively the better pick for single target enemies (e.g. Rhod).
• On other teams (e.g. Akekuri) Tide can allow for earlier Ultimate cycling, which makes it more competitive and has it potentially pull out ahead.
• Depending on the fight (e.g. Triaggelos, Marble Aggelo) where you can transition between phases with more SP, Tide Fall can meaningfully condense rotations to the point it can play better, but you do need to route around it.
• Tide is more comfortable and recommended for most players, LYNX is more suitable for Ardelia comp speedruns.
• For Umbral, which is likely to be AoE, Tide is predicted to outperform due to the higher count of Battle Skills and Ultimate Thresholds on multiple enemies, but if it has tanky single enemies, then Ardelia LYNX would pull out ahead.

All in all it's flex. Swap the pieces depending on content.

[twilit quail]

even if it is not better it is an amazing f2p option

and is better than p0 6*

it rotates through the shop and stuff, too, so you can guaranteed get it max dupe eventually

[tight haven]

lifeng is still on sig right

[twilit quail]

realistically they will announce tangtang in 2 or 3 weeks and it might all go down the shitter LMAO

[tight haven]

watch her be fucking nature

[frigid vector]

if tangtang is phys

[tight haven]

i swear to god

[dry kindle]

cant wait for everything to go out the window when we play antal akekuri umbral

[midnight stirrup]

yea i have a feeling that these units are gonna be outshined REALLY quickly

[frigid vector]

while we still don't have cryo chen

it's going to be doomed

[twilit quail]

lifeng is on sig but valiant is still quite good

[tight haven]

ok

[twilit quail]

dude if they made a better lifeng

holy fk

[tight haven]

chen and whos 4th

[twilit quail]

it would be top 1 unit

[frigid vector]

Umbral tide is almost certain to be better tbh

cause it'll be AoE city

[drifting quest]

tangtang is physical on vibes alone

[twilit quail]

da pan for actual efficiency

[dry kindle]

what weapon

[twilit quail]

endmin if youre already overkilling

[drifting quest]

they could always swap her

[frigid vector]

x2000000 bskills per ult

[tight haven]

alright still the same setup as i remember

[twilit quail]

fortmaker iirc

[drifting quest]

but id expect the feixiao at home and/or sankta man are cryo

[tight haven]

just testing out gear sets huh

[twilit quail]

but yeah intensity breach

is looking like the way to go currently

it is absolutely nefarious

[fresh lynx]

i see, thanks that makes it really easy to understand

[twilit quail]

and you have to run some weird gear to facilitate it

[midnight stirrup]

the fist chick and the archon of the region seem to be electric

which

[twilit quail]

aethertech da pan is real, gentlemen

[midnight stirrup]

sure, we need electric dps

[dry kindle]

fuck me i guess

[twilit quail]

nice website

[dry kindle]

ikr

[midnight stirrup]

are we getting livestreams for future patches

[mystic halo]

there's something very cursed about aethertech da pan that I cant quite name

it doesnt feel right

[merry gust]

Okay how about double redeemer

[mystic halo]

charge set is optimal for some fights

and 100% optimal for daily stuff

it's definitely good

how it will hold up over time hard to say

[merry gust]

Cuz a brother like me just double pitied

[tight haven]

victory royale

[dry kindle]

ok 176 intensity with charge gloves

[tight haven]

ok i do wanna try out this comp

[dry kindle]

so like uh

[merry gust]

did i go too far with the ult gain tho

idk what the breakpoint is

[dry kindle]

idk fuckin effect scaling

[dry kindle]

208

[twilit quail]

I would record a video, but I play phys on someone else's account

and he is online

[merry gust]

fk that's so far

[twilit quail]

so I cant

[dry kindle]

unless youre whel with p4

[merry gust]

Which you know I am

[dry kindle]

then 75 or something and go heat gloves

[twilit quail]

76.5

[merry gust]

176?

or just 76

[dry kindle]

77

[twilit quail]

go to 77

just to be sure

🙂

[drifting quest]

3 stew meeting charge set laev can ult like 3 times in a minute

[twilit quail]

good enough

stew meeting unironically needs to be removed

[dry kindle]

[twilit quail]

it's damaging to the game environment

[drifting quest]

banned out of umbral

[twilit quail]

dont farm 1000 slug meat per day? not allowed to play the game

[drifting quest]

since no tacticals

[twilit quail]

[dry kindle]

is stew the fuckin

[twilit quail]

I guess

[dry kindle]

20% ult energy

[drifting quest]

YEAH

ITS SO GOOD

[dry kindle]

bruh

[mystic halo]

yes it's unbelievable

[drifting quest]

i didnt pay attention but im pretty sure

[merry gust]

Does it even noticibly change 1 cycle?

[drifting quest]

ult charge efficiency DOES wor

k

[dry kindle]

also

[mystic halo]

just leave ult with 4 stacks

[dry kindle]

this dumb fuck

[mystic halo]

stew

enhanced skill

ult again

[dry kindle]

8% team

can we just 100% someones ult off of food alone

[drifting quest]

oh

[merry gust]

[drifting quest]

we can ultmax even more

bet

[frigid vector]

does this trigger as soon as you enter a fight

[drifting quest]

FOUR LAEVATEIN ULTIMATES IN A MINUTE

[mystic halo]

well we can carry

24% ult for the whole team per char

[dry kindle]

it has 4 use upgrade as well iirc

[mystic halo]

oh does it

[frigid vector]

I really

[merry gust]

how much atk% does main stat give again

[frigid vector]

don't want to try and route speedruns around tacticals man

infinite tactical mats when

[drifting quest]

0.5% per stat

[merry gust]

thx boss

[drifting quest]

0.2% for secondary

[dry kindle]

hi yes

[mystic halo]

ok so 32% charge

128% for our team up back pocket

[dry kindle]

x3

or that

lovely

[drifting quest]

which essence is the best slug farm

lodespring?

[dry kindle]

bruh

[drifting quest]

might as well afk it while i do some work

[twilit quail]

uhh the hub one is ok

enemies are mostly slugs

[drifting quest]

HE grenade turrets my beloved

[mystic halo]

hub works

[dry kindle]

most normal umbral clear

[mystic halo]

4 waves of slug

[dry kindle]

just fucking ult% food

[drifting quest]

umbral bans it

this is just for recrisis

[dry kindle]

dont worry theyll unban it for the casuals

trust

[twilit quail]

speedrunning entry bar: 1000x stew meeting in inventory

[dry kindle]

[drifting quest]

i would laugh so much

[frigid vector]

was umbral no tacticals?

[dry kindle]

yeah

[frigid vector]

god

fucking

bless

[dry kindle]

also

these are green foods

gold version when

[drifting quest]

on comsumption activate the units ultimate

[twilit quail]

god I want to press it so bad

[twilit quail]

ult gain +300%, ultimate ability is activated randomly

[drifting quest]

im 60 gel off my last tap

for laev essence

or 50

2 runs or 1 double run

either way

[twilit quail]

I just want the nice glow

on my p5 weapon

more than anything else

[dry kindle]

[earnest patio]

THIOS IS THE CORRECT ONEW RIGHT SHOULD I USE ALL MY GOLDFEN TO MAX IT UP

how do i get more golden even what should i farm for to get emb as side product

[dry kindle]

Wut

[drifting quest]

if you have thermite cutter you can farm for its essence

[earnest patio]

ic

[drifting quest]

starry essence probably a decent one too

[mystic halo]

det unit

therm

stanza

etc

[earnest patio]

so exxcept that should i use all golden ones hopefully they dont match someone in future

[drifting quest]

planning around stuff not in the game is just a headache but double check there's nothing good for genericly good weapons and fodder the rest

or fodder it all

[earnest patio]

what should be great once like what stats i shouldnt scrap

[dry kindle]

Dunno

[drifting quest]

^^

there's too many weapons

i just foddered it all i dont care if i lost one

[dry kindle]

You can prefarm gilb sig if youre going for it and it lines up

[mystic halo]

surely there is a document in english

[dry kindle]

But that's it

[mystic halo]

for this

right?

[drifting quest]

i dont have therm because im a dumbass

[honest sky]

does frontiers gear effect mean any skill will work?

[drifting quest]

i could probably make one

to be honest

[dry kindle]

Wut

[drifting quest]

wouldnt take all that look

just slow

[mystic halo]

like surely there is a doc in english

for essences

right?

[dry kindle]

Doc probably not

[twilit quail]

fk it I could do it it would take like 15 minutes

[dry kindle]

8000 Youtube videos yes

[drifting quest]

yeah

do a sheet

make it searchable

[twilit quail]

it wont even be a sheet

like

it's gonna be

50 cells of plain text

[earnest patio]

so i should just fodder em

[drifting quest]

only reason i said sheet is so you can have a drop down box to sort

[twilit quail]

I guess I'll do it later

I suppose

[drifting quest]

makes it easier to find

[sterile herald]

what’s the best antal weapon? i been running obj but idk

[earnest patio]

link

[twilit quail]

it doesnt exist yet cause I havent made it

[earnest patio]

ahhh

should i max twilight first?

[mystic halo]

just do whatever you want

so long as it's maxed at the end

[spice chasm]

Last rite signature worth it?

[frigid vector]

its pretty good if you like last rite

should be a fair bit ahead than any of her other options

[outer ermine]

dont even touch her w/o it

[frigid vector]

the calcs I've seen for it

sites like prydwen are similar with her sig at 100% and 80% on prince

[earnest patio]

Which one for alderia sig essence and thermal essencee

I mean which domain

Is there a way to check drops talent

[mystic halo]

it's a lot worse than 20% loss

with buffs up

it's like almost 40% sometimes

it's really, really bad

[dry kindle]

Akekuri is 10% damage loss over ardelia its so over 😔

How does akekuri p3 even work tho isnt ult like 2 seconds

[vagrant sparrow]

why are all the calcs akakuri ardelia antal

where wulfgard akekuri

😡

[sterile herald]

what weapon antal

👨‍🦲

[drifting quest]

12 slug meat, 6 energized aggagrit, 6 citrome powder, 7 fillet, 1 ginseng, 6 citromix, 6 buckflower powder, 3 amethyst bottles
cost per run for speedrunning laev hyper

expensive

[outer ermine]

[flint stag]

for ardelia which weapons are good? can ı just use stanza for a while

[outer ermine]

8 ginseng 4 meat, 1 meat 1 buckflower powder 1 powdered grass seed 1 energized aggagrit 1 pungent jerky 1 reed eye if ginseng is overkill

[tender zephyr]

We have spreadsheeters now?

[drifting quest]

have for a while

[tender zephyr]

Chem of Endfield where

[outer ermine]

pp alluvium is such a fraud btw

[dire owl]

You can use stanza on her until you get her sig for sure

[tight haven]

gg

gimme that gilb sig

[shut cobalt]

question, is this setup right for the most mats? (this is the best chars i have atm)

or do i have to change smth

[calm zinc]

Does anyone know a better version of Ascension Planner? Perlicamoe, endfieldgg, and endfieldtoolsdev are all not counting correctly.

[tight haven]

as long as everyone there has corresponding boosts for the cabins yep

theres no standouts you should be having in dijiang 24/7 like mlynar or proviso in og ak

[earnest patio]

We don't need cr cd here on chars?

[shut cobalt]

but i see on the control nexus they give mood regen, right?
but since everyone is at full, wont that buff just get wasted once theyre tired? (since the control nexus ones will be tired too)

[tight haven]

crit dmg is practically nonexistent

it is not worth building into crit for anybody rn except yvonne

[earnest patio]

It's intentional or a messed up thing

[tight haven]

intentional

[earnest patio]

[tight haven]

they seem quite reserved abt crit

which is honestly probably a good idea

[tight haven]

the regen offsets their consumption per hour

they will stay longer

[earnest patio]

Btw any updates on lae best gear which worked best at maxed level

[shut cobalt]

ohh, so theres no issue at all staying like that?

[tight haven]

hot work + tide fall remains the best gesr for laev unless you're speedrunning

[tight haven]

no

[shut cobalt]

alr, thanks!

[tight haven]

dijiang is quite a ways smarter than riic in ak

it will automatically cycle out tired ops

[earnest patio]

It does takes insane amount of exp from 80-90 to level up char

[tight haven]

they wont be replaced by a ready op but they will automatically go back to working when their mood is high again

you can micromanage it but imho its not worth the effort

[shut cobalt]

ik, but i was just wondering if the mood regen on the control nexus buff wont get wasted since all of them would've been tired by the same time

[tight haven]

oh fairs

afaict the nexus just does not have any inefficiencies like that

it will globally apply the mood regen so it's always applying to your ops whether they're resting or working

[shut cobalt]

i c i c, thanks

[tight haven]

basically every control nexus op is mlynar now

from what i can tell

[potent vale]

tf is that supposed to mean

[tight haven]

press v

[potent vale]

eh

[vestal stirrup]

Type 50 or pulser gloves for avywenna? I feel like the -100 attack might be worth the elec damage

[tight haven]

go to non-set

[tight haven]

is there miner overalls there

you might need to level up to unlock it if not

[potent vale]

miner a gear pack?

[tight haven]

yeah

there should be a specific chest piece called miner overalls

[twilit quail]

ok here

for takeaway version

I think this is good enough no? do we really need an online document or something people can sort on

[potent vale]

uhh so i craft everything i see

[tight haven]

what

no look for a specific piece called miner overalls

[potent vale]

mmmm

[mystic halo]

why is this in #theorycrafting

[potent vale]

okai dun

[mystic halo]

go to #help

[tight haven]

i have no idea

[potent vale]

they ignore me ;-;

[tight haven]

oh

lol

[mystic halo]

not an excuse

[tight haven]

help moment

but yeah just make that three more times

[potent vale]

https://giphy.com/gifs/anime-uma-musume-IgCFxfDXGkH1Gxv9aD

[tight haven]

yeah

[vestal stirrup]

Anyone?

[outer ermine]

when we get more rss then can move to document

[twilit quail]

@mystic halo

[tight haven]

laev essence is actually kicking my ass

30 runs without it now

omg

[outer ermine]

hmm

[tight haven]

get p2

👍

big susc boost

[outer ermine]

on her banner ig, dont wanna get another laev

[tight haven]

lmao

yeah i have a 50/50 in the chamber for gilb p1

if i whiff her as long as its not p6 laev im chill

actually

i wouldnt hate p6 laev

[midnight stirrup]

Bro

[tight haven]

just need another 6* max dupe to pick a perm sig

[midnight stirrup]

Isn't P2 Gilberta just a physical bot

Doesn't only physical apply vulnerability

or am I dumb

[tight haven]

she also applies vuln

herself

lift = vuln

[midnight stirrup]

So she applies two herself

P2 gives another stack at the end of ult

[tight haven]

yeah

she can 4 stack in 1 cycle with it

iirc

[midnight stirrup]

Wait a damn minute

[tight haven]

combo combo ult(x2)

[midnight stirrup]

I might have to go for copies

Fuck Yvonne

[tight haven]

LOL

im sayin

yvonne is bait for now unfort

shes cool tho ill p0 her

[midnight stirrup]

I think shes cute

But uh

LR main

and I already changed my pfp to finally LR art, so im less tempted.

Bro istg if Gilberta turns out to be trash after 2 patches

[tight haven]

gilb p2 in phys sounds funny af though

[mystic halo]

it applies vuln as if the enemy had 1 more

the ult doesnt apply extra stack

though it would be awesome if it did

[tight haven]

oh

oh right

yeah it just treats it as +1 for the susc application

[midnight stirrup]

Oh right

[mystic halo]

you can still practically get 48% vuln from it

with double qte

[midnight stirrup]

Keyword 'treating'

Mb

[tight haven]

still 3 vuln in a non-sp consuming cycle is kinda nutty

wonder if phys will want to do anything with that

[mystic halo]

it's not "Why is it only 5 seconds" it should be "No wonder it's 5 seconds"

[tight haven]

yeahhhhh

80 ult energy with a 50% ult eff sig

[mystic halo]

resourceless 48% vuln

[tight haven]

hilarious shit

[midnight stirrup]

Bro I hate that she cant be paired with LR

My two baddies not allowed synergy

[tight haven]

💔

[mystic halo]

you can do it in open world smile

[tight haven]

wait can she not?

yeah

like just be careful

[midnight stirrup]

Yea but who tf cares about open world

everything falls over regardless

[tight haven]

hey its still most of the content tbf

gonna have to interact with it whether you like it or not

might as well be able to do it comfier

[twilit quail]

killing overworld mobs way ebtter does indeed improve player experience significantly

[midnight stirrup]

Id care more for it if enemies actually dropped mats that were required for building

[twilit quail]

it's more than 90% of the game

[midnight stirrup]

But in this game, you can essentially always ignore mobs

Cause they drop nothing of value

[twilit quail]

oh dude if you want to make good food you have to kill hella mobs

[midnight stirrup]

I'm no food user

[twilit quail]

meat is in insanely high demand

[mystic halo]

lab grown meat WHERE

[tight haven]

i did testing and osp is shit

[midnight stirrup]

Can u bring food buffs into endgame

[tight haven]

farm in pp

osp takes too fucking long

#meatwatch

[midnight stirrup]

Wait, we dont have endgame

[mystic halo]

you can take it into crisis

[tight haven]

im pretty sure you could bring it into umbral

in cbt2

[mystic halo]

smile

[midnight stirrup]

Hmm

[tight haven]

just eat it before you go in

[mystic halo]

no more tactical in hardmode now

[midnight stirrup]

Ill think about it when it matters

[mystic halo]

(it wont make much difference)

[midnight stirrup]

For now im chillin

[tight haven]

wtf

yeah ig its not a big deal

but still 💔

unironically a yvonne nerf LOL

she likes crit food sm

[midnight stirrup]

Food wheelchaired

L O L

Its kinda crazy how easily you can max potential characters in this game. Especially with the dupe not resetting.

[outer ermine]

i get like 2 per run on alluvium

[tight haven]

the dupe doesnt reset?

[outer ermine]

im just ziplining fuck that

[tight haven]

wait which dupe

the 240?

[midnight stirrup]

Nah, I got Laev on a 10 pull where the dupe happened, and still got the dupe extra.

[mystic halo]

yvonne shrivelling into a pile of dust as ginseng soup is taken away from her

[midnight stirrup]

Yeah, 240

[tight haven]

what the fuck

are you sure

[midnight stirrup]

Yes

[tight haven]

OH

THATS WHAT YOU MEANT

[midnight stirrup]

You can get 4 Laevs before the 240, and still get the 240.

[tight haven]

okay yeah i was like "so i can get a gilb token for free???"

[lime bear]

Sundered Prince for Last Rite or Thermite fot Pog and Ake

[outer ermine]

the token lmao

[tight haven]

i didnt realize you meant. the token doesnt reset the guarantee lol

[tight haven]

thermite

[midnight stirrup]

Yea no that shit doesnt proceed to the next banner

[tight haven]

thermite

thermite

account is actually bricked without thermite

[heavy fossil]

thermite is the better choice

[midnight stirrup]

Thermite has more general value. Youre gonna end up going to pull for LR sig anyway, cause Sundered is like 20-30% worse than sig.

Also Last Rite the only one using Sundered rn.

[tight haven]

yea get lr sig asap if you plan to play her

[mystic halo]

da pan can use it but it sucks

[tight haven]

sundered is a huge handicap

[heavy fossil]

I have no regrets giving sundered prince to my ember lol

[lime bear]

true

[heavy fossil]

I also use no vanguards

for now at least

[lime bear]

I hard pitied LAeva sig unfortunately so my Arsenal situation is sad asf

[midnight stirrup]

True, but like youre gonna end up with Excalibur sooner than later

Which is his BiS rn

[tight haven]

i feel u

somehow i still dont have p5 fortmaker

i have p5 of like 80% of 5* weaps now

[lime bear]

I dont think I have any but ill check again

[midnight stirrup]

Bruh I need to get into factory for gold gear, but I refuse to copy blueprints, headache material.

[heavy fossil]

me with blue gear

[heavy fossil]

how many pulls have you done

[midnight stirrup]

Same twin

[lime bear]

cant afford Khravenger 💔 need to save everything til Fangyi

[tight haven]

i think 50 total

so like 500 pulls

[midnight stirrup]

Fangyi lowkey overrated

[outer ermine]

[midnight stirrup]

[lime bear]

I have like 100 pulls now

[lime bear]

potential woman in 1.1 trust

[drifting quest]

fangyi overrated mid ass unit purely because i cant afford to pull for her

[tight haven]

i am so fucking scared bruh

tangtang mifu fangyi is a stacked lineup

no skips 💔

yuri duo and not!shu 💔

[mystic halo]

essence chart is now pinned in #help and #team-build so you can now say look at pins for that too

if you guys are ever in there for whatever accursed reason

[midnight stirrup]

I like it here, its nice and cozy

[lime bear]

skipping Tangtang unfortunately, hope shes 5*

[midnight stirrup]

Thanks for the hard work opal and everyone involved

[tight haven]

help gives me epileptic seizures

[mystic halo]

oh I did nothing

[midnight stirrup]

https://giphy.com/gifs/sesamestreet-sesame-street-cookie-monster-e6BTJ8bAak7V5Kv2FB

[mystic halo]

I just clicked pin

[midnight stirrup]

Its okay

[tight haven]

working class hero

[midnight stirrup]

Your presence counts for 80% of the work

[drifting quest]

waiting for #general-guides-archive to open so every single question ever conceived can be solved by telling people to learn how to search

[mystic halo]

this is true

[midnight stirrup]

These other channels feel like being thrown in a lion's pit

Full of savages causing chaos

Respectfully

[lime bear]

pin it here too pls

[tight haven]

im saying

she MIGHT be a 5*

[drifting quest]

every time i say ill make a general faq resource i know immediately after it will become useless as such a forum is innundated with repeat information

[tight haven]

like she feels like wulings version of wulfgard

if that makes sense

[lime bear]

yea

[mystic halo]

I mean I guess i'll pin it here

I wasnt going to initially

[lime bear]

Fangyi and Rossi 2 my most wanted rn

[mystic halo]

ok do the others in the channel want it pinned as well

or no

[midnight stirrup]

Tbf the people here will see more use out of it than the other channels

[tight haven]

is there a reason i cant see pins here

[midnight stirrup]

Theyre empty

That's why

[tight haven]

oh

[outer ermine]

we have nothing

[tight haven]

i swear to god opal pinned ianas sheet

[willow eagle]

what gear do i get for last rite?

[midnight stirrup]

Yeah, in #team-build

[tight haven]

OH

[tender zephyr]

When will we have Chem of Endfield

[mystic halo]

I just dont like pinning same thing in 3 channels

[tender zephyr]

wuwa spreadsheeter

[drifting quest]

it'd be easier to have it pinned here but if we're pinning stuff might as well pin 1 doc that has links to every resource

[mystic halo]

ok I will just make iana do it for me

it's worked a few times now...

[tight haven]

we should actually make roadless camelot for endfield

goddamn

[lime bear]

surely I can just swap Avywenna with Fangyi since shes 6* electric dps trust no need Mi Fu

[tight haven]

its a pretty tedious undertaking ig

[mystic halo]

I do think there are advantages to just having the image you can yoink though

[tight haven]

yeah people tend toward the path of least resistance or w/e

ask a question get gestured to pins look at pins see google docs links and just close discord and do something else

[drifting quest]

i assumed if we were gonna include it we'd just upload the image to a third party hosting site

then people can download

[tight haven]

like an imgur album

or

[heavy fossil]

looking back at the cutscene mi fu could also be fire

[drifting quest]

yeah

[tight haven]

graphic design is my passion

[drifting quest]

maybe not imgur because im Br*tish and vpn'ing is annoying for something like that

[tight haven]

wait are you fucking kidding me

did kid starver actually block imgur

[drifting quest]

yes

well

no

[tight haven]

das crazy

[lime bear]

anything but phys plsette, we have like 3 6* Phys already lmfao

save the 6* main dps for later

[drifting quest]

imgur refuses to capitulate so it blocks UK connections

which is good for imgur

[tight haven]

right right

yeah

insane shit

[lime bear]

I wonder how good is P5 ENdmin eventually

[midnight stirrup]

I could care less about the potentials, mostly curious to see if hell get other elements.

[tight haven]

we'll see but i think endmin is in a solid spot rn

basically a comfier da pan

[drifting quest]

is the laev spreadsheet still edit link

before i link it in this doc

[tight haven]

which laev spread

[drifting quest]

morbikas

[midnight stirrup]

Thought I was big brain for a second, thinking you could get 5 stacks of vuln with Berta

[tight haven]

oh wait

[midnight stirrup]

But potential specifies max 4 stacks. L.

[tight haven]

ugh yeah idk would have to ask

[drifting quest]

it is

i tested

i wont link it yet

[tight haven]

yep

well theyre not done with it yet either

tbf

i dont think its quite that useful to share given how hard it is to parse the info it gives you

[drifting quest]

i was gonna eventually categorize

https://docs.google.com/document/d/1U-7OOoAkw1FVuHj_9SJsuKLHbF-XPFQZo7r6QpaQ7GI/edit?usp=sharing

[tight haven]

does anybody know anyone who's got access to game assets

like images

for icons and shit

ig theyre on talos wiki huh

[drifting quest]

talos wiki should

[tight haven]

yea

true

[twilit quail]

I was going to use the nice transparent images from ingame rips at one point

but then I decided it wasnt worth the trouble

[tight haven]

yeah thats like

Work

[twilit quail]

imagine someone who is in like

bumfuck valley 4

[tight haven]

good-quality images will just lag mobile devices anyway

[twilit quail]

"guys I cant find this gear in my list"

[drifting quest]

given that people ask where to find gold gear then send a screenshot with the gear in it

im not sure it matters much

do i link prydwen

hm

[tight haven]

do it to be nice

[lime bear]

what abt interactive map

I used endfieldtools tbh

[drifting quest]

need to grab that one yeah

[lime bear]

great interactive map imo

[drifting quest]

hows it compare to openendfield map

for anyone who used both

[lime bear]

I never used that lmao

[drifting quest]

https://opendfieldmap.org/