theorycrafting

[lime bear]

but I forgot

[tight haven]

the weapon banners are giving me ptsd though

[drifting quest]

xiranite is powered by sui but that doesnt mean a sui sibling or sui itself is there

[tight haven]

also wait what the fuck why is yvonnes narrative quest first

[summer flicker]

i plan to settle on akekuri but yvonne ult is enchancing basic attack so link seems to be useless

[tight haven]

isnt gilberta coming next

[drifting quest]

oh

the quest dropped

[tight haven]

yeah

[drifting quest]

i didnt realise lmao

[lime bear]

Gilb story probably gonna tie to the new event story

[tight haven]

i was like ???

[drifting quest]

new bp too

[lime bear]

I think

[tight haven]

oh maybe

[drifting quest]

i can finally get the crowns

[tight haven]

there is that new event that wasnt in beta

[drifting quest]

yeah gilbs stuff is in the event

you go on a date with her or whatever

take pictures

[tight haven]

HELL YEAH I CAN M12 LAEV

YEEEEAAAAHHHHHH BABY

[lime bear]

wife 🔥

[tight haven]

also this quest is peam

[lime bear]

Ange my beloved

[drifting quest]

did you buy crowns

[tight haven]

time to play it with audio

[lime bear]

we still don't have Ange Alter

in og ak

smfh

[tight haven]

you physically cannot buy enough to m12 anybody

you need the bp crowns

[lime bear]

is she the only y1 op that doesn't have alter yet

[drifting quest]

yeah i meant

the last 3 to m12

[tight haven]

oh

[drifting quest]

since bp is only 18

no

[tight haven]

yeah thats what i meant

[drifting quest]

m9

[drifting quest]

no

i say with confidence without knowing

ok yeah there's loads

[outer ermine]

shining

liz

[drifting quest]

angelina nightingale shining ifrit

saria

[outer ermine]

wheres my guard shining at yostar wtf

[drifting quest]

mostima

aak

ceobe

bagpipe

rosa

suzuran

[lime bear]

surprised Saria alter is not here yet

my brick wife

[drifting quest]

then weedy as the 1st anniversary

maybe hellagur and schwarz too but for some reason their release date isnt listed

[lavish jay]

sorry dumb question, but what is m12? 🤔

[drifting quest]

and im not confident enough to say

[drifting quest]

mastery 12

aka all 4 skills at mastery 3

m3 x4 = m12

[lavish jay]

ahh

[willow eagle]

wrong channel i guess lol mb

[drifting quest]

no

(the answer to your question)

[willow eagle]

tyty

[summer flicker]

https://www.vxbilibili.com/video/BV1cM6cBME7y/
I hope a new char can make yvonne rot as smooth as this maybe yvonne gilb florite ardelia

[tight haven]

shes so silly

unfortunately she doesnt sprint any faster than anyone else

[terse furnace]

I can't wait for her banner

[drifting quest]

alternate sprints are nice

pog has one too

[tight haven]

yeah i was gonna mention him

his lil grappling hook sprint

[drifting quest]

10 pulls and a dream for gilb

[summer flicker]

i also ready for her

[tight haven]

everyone with an alt 2nd dash/sprint

[summer flower]

i cant read numbers when it comes to dmg due to dyslexia

like at sone point i'm like what it wrote?

[tight haven]

every 6* also has a cute unique sprint stop animation

[summer flower]

like i know i deal X dmg but is it thousands? tens of them?

[tight haven]

i dont remember how yvonne's looked but iirc she doesnt have an alt sprint

[summer flicker]

two yvonne

[tight haven]

lmao yeah its pretty funny that you can just dupe operators in the overworld

i get why but omg

[frozen tide]

at what ultimate recharge will xaihi have ult every 2 last rite basic attack cycle

the pinned build thingy recommends 3 secondary attribute pieces for xaihi

im just worried ill not have the ult uptime if i do that

[brisk mantle]

A

[chrome flax]

Her ult has a low cost and the reason why u run 2ndary on her is to max out the buff from her ult

[heavy fossil]

lifeng’s used to be his normal dash in cbt and I thought they removed it until I figured out they put it as a second dash

however his backstop was removed I think

[terse furnace]

double the gyatt

[tight haven]

backstop?

[frozen tide]

ic so ill get ult regardless of ult generation boost gears

[tight haven]

yeah its only 80 ult energy

[terse furnace]

Can we talk about this? Poor Yvonne

[summer flicker]

[tight haven]

wait what? im pretty sure it was 200 in cbt2

[frozen tide]

and with ardelia why is arts intensity recommended

[tight haven]

thats painful

[terse furnace]

They reworked her on launch

[tight haven]

corrosion

[summer flicker]

you want a er piece with like 28%

[frozen tide]

does arts susceptability even scale with arts intensity

[summer flicker]

🥀

[thin berry]

but she got buffed no?

[frozen tide]

dont you immediately make that into arts susceptability anyw with her skill

[terse furnace]

Actually? I don't know anything about ER calcs

[tight haven]

i really have got to try her now, i just read over her kit and saw she was kind of the same as in cbt2

[tight haven]

you do, yes, but since her susc lasts so long you have an opportunity to apply it alongside susc

[frozen tide]

hmm ic

[tight haven]

it's really not much opportunity cost since you will be using xiran anyway

and ardelia's ult need not be spammed

[drifting quest]

buffed from entirely unplayable to only mostly unplayable

[frozen tide]

i was thinking that ardelia ult is kinda booty for a supp ult

doesnt do any infliction or debuff

ok dmg multiplier but like

[thin berry]

healing kinda nice

[tight haven]

its more or less for healing only

[drifting quest]

hg saw every vouivre being pretty good in ak and decided to change that for endfield

[tight haven]

and for activating weapon buffs reliant on ulting

[drifting quest]

gone are the days of bagpipe, saileach and saria

[frozen tide]

they gave her sig weap for free and it activates when you eat corrosion with skill

😭

[summer flicker]

i've seen on bilibili 6.5+ 10+30x4 (her skill when eat 4 infliction) + 20(combo skill) + (team using sp give all team energy too) ->

[tight haven]

yep

so ult eff isnt really useful on her at all

[terse furnace]

What gear are you using on her...?

[fickle owl]

@civic wolf btw marble got nerfed

[tight haven]

lowkey i think its worth seeing if you can use xiranite on wulf and have ardelia on full arts int

for laev

i havent tested it yet

[drifting quest]

only its damage which is a non factor

[thin berry]

when

[frozen tide]

no artifact substat seems significant for her

[drifting quest]

because you shouldnt be getting hit to begin with

learn to dodge

[outer ermine]

[terse furnace]

Dude, these stats just make me sad 🥀

[drifting quest]

i havent finished yvonne quest

raaaah

[summer flicker]

i mean i artifice alot so ye xdd

[terse furnace]

Where'd you find the calculations for this BiS btw? And/or are any of these T1/2 of their respective equipment types?

[outer ermine]

its a blessing getting to do yvonne quest twice

[terse furnace]

I'm waiting until I get Gilberta before I work on Yvonne lmao

[summer flicker]

i dont find the calculation, like i surf bilibili for idea for yvonne team and this team eat 4 stack of infliction and have ult up

[fickle owl]

well yeah it's pretty easy

[lime bear]

is leveling any of the my team to 80 worth for Laevatain or should I focus on her essence rn

I prob only gonna lvl wulf to 80

[summer flicker]

im out of both wuling money, xinerite gear

[drifting quest]

just go vertical on laev

[terse furnace]

How the actual hell are you applying 4 stacks of infliction with that comp? Aresh doesn't even have infliction iirc

[drifting quest]

alesh ult is 1

[summer flicker]

they using this comp

im thinking of yvonne gilb florite ardelia

[outer ermine]

finally done

[terse furnace]

oh, it's this team 🥀 Yeah I'm a hater lmao

[summer flicker]

when gilb release

[drifting quest]

a week

[summer flicker]

lmaoo

[terse furnace]

Run Perlica over Ardelia, you can't get Ardelia's combo with that comp

[summer flicker]

you can

when yvone skill, she does final striek

skill eat all the infliction

[thin berry]

are you not suppose to max everything 🤔

[drifting quest]

no

on ardelia for example her other 3 abilities just get more damage

which is useless

her skill increases the susceptibility applied though so is good to invest in

[terse furnace]

Well, it's specifically when you apply solidification with Yvonne, but the problem is that Corrosion is better after you leave it on the enemy for a while so getting Ardelia's combo off too late is pretty bad

[summer flicker]

ye, im banking on ardelia because her sig is dmg taken, and her susceptability

[terse furnace]

Gilb applies a higher amount of susceptibility

And someone earlier said they don't stack

[summer flicker]

what

[naive urchin]

I just realized I can place gun turrets at severe energy aluvium sites, this is going to make farming fast lmao

[summer flicker]

they dont stack

brikced

[terse furnace]

yeah see? lmao

[summer flicker]

is this confirmed via testing

[drifting quest]

its so over

[summer flicker]

so ye perlica 4th slot i guess

[terse furnace]

Idk, I'm just relaying second hand info. They said that the new debuff overrides the other previous one

Also idk how you'd get the SP to get Ard's battle skill off in this comp

[summer flicker]

using the sp set, surely i can kill everything in like 2 rotation 😭

hmm i wonder can perlica trigger this, didnt look into perlica much

[terse furnace]

Perlica triggers it on combo

oh wait

Burst

Run Stanza

It's probably her BiS for this comp

[summer flicker]

so ima just full on art intensity set i guess

[summer flower]

burst? does she even does that?

[terse furnace]

in the electric comp she can use her battle skill for burst

[summer flower]

i didnt see burst i think with avyenna and her in team

[terse furnace]

oh wait, no she can't, there's no fucking electric infliction that comp

[terse furnace]

Arts Burst = applying the same infliction multiple times

So if you apply electric infliction > electric infliction, it does an Arts Burst

The problem is that there's no other electric inflictor in the electric comp 🥀

[summer flicker]

so i guess this for perlica

her ult doesnt seem usefull

[summer flower]

that's the one i use

she is full elec dmg

and her combo is triggering this one

[summer flicker]

does that mean the electricified give even more art dmg, i dont understand art intensity fully

[terse furnace]

Is this the only ult gain you have on her?

[summer flower]

check description in game in character detail

[dense plank]

can you try for the trimmed boss medals without spending sanity on the rewards

[terse furnace]

Arts intensity affects how effective the arts reaction is

So yeah, Electrocution will increase damage taken even more with higher arts intensity

[summer flicker]

yes, artifice 1 -2 times

[tight haven]

bricked

delete your acc

[summer flower]

arts intesity is affecting status effects

[terse furnace]

I'm trying to artifice every stat at least 2 times and only 3 time it if I have resources left

[summer flicker]

i guess she want to use this to since the pulser glove is uselss

[terse furnace]

Well, not that I'm building Yvonne atm 🥀

[lime bear]

yvonne ass is worth trust

[tight haven]

it unironically is

shes got that shit out constantly

have you seen her gear screen pose

[lime bear]

hows Yvonne quest

is it good

[summer flower]

it deals +% dmg on applyinh those effects are stronger

[tight haven]

already played thru it in beta

it was really fucking nice

[lime bear]

prob Tata aftermaths 🥹

[tight haven]

heartfelt little character quest that humanizes yvonne really well without being

yknow

Endmin Dating Sim

[lime bear]

Laevatain is not dating sim either tho

[tight haven]

it definitely IS a bit of that especially toward the end but it's far more about her than it is about you

[summer flicker]

i guess her build is this right

[lime bear]

its so good

[tight haven]

oh no im referring to gilbertas quest

[dense plank]

I have her use the eternal xiranite gloves

[tight haven]

which i really didnt enjoy

[lime bear]

das like 1/3 😄

[tight haven]

well. its a fine quest but i didnt really feel attached to gilb at all

1/4*

wulf laev and yvonnes quests were all hits

especially laevs

really felt like an apology letter to all the shared grievances with the story direction from beta testers

[terse furnace]

I did some quick math and this is a little over 55% crate on ult, excluding weapon. That's not bad all things considered

[summer flower]

laev quest good, wulf quest i was skipping as heck, nothing special

like too expected

[summer flicker]

75% cr is enough

[lime bear]

wtf

[tight haven]

surely.

[summer flower]

75cr sounds big

[lime bear]

wulf is good not as good as Laev but still good

[terse furnace]

Weapon gives another ~20% crate so yeah, checks out. Kinda wish it were higher but whatever ig

[tight haven]

really? i enjoyed the backstory on the pack and the insight on what wulf actually does when he fucks off for a while

[summer flower]

ehhh

[summer flicker]

i mean, its pretty good if you can generate 4 stack of infliction every rotation and have yvonne perma ult instead of having to apply 5 stack of infliction and wait longer

[tight haven]

just a really competently written episode with some good story beats

[summer flower]

wait so you get to 55?

with buffs or without them?

i have 45 on avyenna

[tight haven]

ironically the last few percents are from potentials iirc

[terse furnace]

Oh wait, I just realized your calcs are specifically with 4 infliction stacks
Gilb+Fluorite isn't inflicting 4 stacks It'd be 3 consistently unless you double cast Gilberta battle+ult

[drifting quest]

do not let yvonne play marvel rivals

[tight haven]

unless they changed her pots from cbt2

[summer flower]

wait so you got 5 % over me? with trying to max it?

[summer flicker]

no?, gilb skill -> florite skill -> florite combo -> gilb ult/florite ult -> 4 stack

[terse furnace]

Question: Why are you stacking crit on a DPS that's not called Yvonne?

[summer flower]

i'm looking around 45% unless base is different

[summer flicker]

so you just need one ult to be up every other rotation

[summer flower]

@terse furnace dunno

rest of gear wasnt appealing

[summer flicker]

or maybe i missing sth

[terse furnace]

People are holding onto Fluorite ult for a second rotation because Fluorite's combo is 40 seconds lmao

[summer flower]

perlica is having elec/cryo one

cause that fits

but swordmancer? why stagger when can kill

tell me what for chem/endmin instead of crit and i'm gonna consider

[summer flicker]

hmm, i guess use the combo skill reduction effec set to make that faster, maybe that could work hmm

[ripe parrot]

not gonna go too much into detail because this is #theorycrafting but I actually liked wulfgard's story a decent amount. It's as good as laev's to me, since there's actual nuance (unlike in the main story so far lmao) between wulfgard and the traitor

[terse furnace]

Literally atk% or ele% is better than crit on anyone who's not named Yvonne

[summer flower]

right full physical dmg and gonna slap ele%

and which you say attack %?

[tight haven]

agreed! and yeah, we shouldn't dwell

[terse furnace]

it goes down to 34 seconds, and at P5 I guess you can get it down to maybe 28 seconds on average?

Still fucking long tho

[terse furnace]

Atk% is one of the best scaling stats in the game atm

This isn't Hoyoverse gear, you don't need crit

[drifting quest]

theorycrafting is off topic half the time and a third help channel another 40% so wouldnt keep too bad about it

[summer flicker]

gilb ult is 90 energy right, maybe with max ult eff, gilb can ult every rotation

[summer flower]

i get 25% attack from crit gear at full stacks

[tight haven]

yes its 90

[summer flicker]

i dont have gilb so im massively feel craft

[terse furnace]

oh wow, it's pretty low

[tight haven]

gilbs sig also gives ult eff

[summer flicker]

ohhh that's massive

[tight haven]

its very easy to ult every rot with her

[summer flower]

so then its difference between combo dmg and 10% points of attack

[summer flicker]

ye, the comp is possible

realll

[summer flower]

which you say its best scaling stuff

[summer flicker]

[terse furnace]

LMAOOOO the build on Prydwen has 4x Ult efficiency on every single gear

Gilberta might be peak actually

[tight haven]

yeah you kinda just wanna spam ult

[summer flower]

so if attack, why not go for one that gives most attack?

[tight haven]

because she Lets you

[summer flicker]

i dont even watch pryden cuz i dont trust them xddd

[terse furnace]

We're so back, Gilberta ult every rotation

[terse furnace]

They're the most consistent info site unfortunately

They're not 100% accurate 100% of the time, but the gear suggestions tend to land

[summer flicker]

i dont know, they consistently do solo calc on a team game like wuwa, and now endfield

[terse furnace]

My ass is never trusting them with Limbus, though

[summer flicker]

[terse furnace]

Wdym, most of the calcs I've seen take into consideration a full team rotation

I'm ignoring their tier lists btw, their tier lists are historically ass

[tight haven]

they split solo/team often yeah

not all the time but their actual builds are fairly trustworthy to present performances accurately

[drifting quest]

we love lce lantern sang SS tier

[summer flower]

"go attack gear on chen endmin", attack gear has 15% attack in it

[drifting quest]

o7 marton

[summer flicker]

in wuwa, their calc is perform on solo basis

[summer flower]

if you wanna raise alternative argument that isnt worse than amount of attack there is in crit gear

but you already plead case for crit gear trying to disuade

[summer flicker]

i wonder if that changed

[terse furnace]

I can't speak much of their Wuwa stuff, but their gear and teams for Endfield seem pretty accurate so far

[drifting quest]

prydwen?

their stuff has issues since it was based on cbt

[terse furnace]

Some of it, not all of it

I think their Laev comp needs a bit of work, for example

[summer flicker]

idk, why pulser labs gloves

the gloves do nothing except dmg

[terse furnace]

But their LR comp and phys comps are solid

[summer flicker]

on perlica

[summer flower]

ohh wait

[terse furnace]

It's cuz Perlica does good damage lmao

[summer flower]

so you guys like doing what guides say?

how common is that in theorycrafting channel?

[summer flicker]

how comparable to the maindps she suppose to buff, not that much, i would argue more art intensity is better

[summer flower]

just looking guides and adivising based on that?>

[terse furnace]

tl;dr crit has no real way to increase cdmg, so you're effectively spending opportunity costs of stats for a marginal damage increase.

This is a good video on the subject. I don't really watch Guoba but the points he makes are pretty spot on

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=c6JfYgRA0pw

[drifting quest]

more data is more data

for tc purposes

no guide is perfect

[summer flower]

HEAR ME OUT NOW:

[drifting quest]

but the more opinions you get on something the closer to that you'll get

[summer flower]

be told attack % best stat

crit gear gives 25%

5*5%

[drifting quest]

atk% is probably one of the better external buffs stat wise to get

[summer flicker]

ye, i hope to see more weird yvonne team on ytb, havent seen much on ytb side of thing

[summer flicker]

huhhhh

[terse furnace]

Or you can slap on a gear that gives 40% dmg boost instead

[summer flicker]

oh 25% atk

[summer flower]

25% attack

[summer flicker]

ye, i thought you mean 25% crit

[drifting quest]

i love when i dont attack with my crit set

[summer flicker]

me pepega

[drifting quest]

and lose my buff

and i have to start at square 1

[terse furnace]

Crit set is only good on Yvonne lmao

[drifting quest]

5s for ALL your buffs to vanish

[summer flower]

WHY

[drifting quest]

not even that good on yvonne

[terse furnace]

Because cdmg is locked at 50% for all characters except Yvonne

[drifting quest]

its a shit set she's just the only one who can use it

[summer flower]

so getting stacks up (which is fast especially if you hitting multiple targets

[summer flicker]

sadly she has 60% crd buff on ult, and it would be waste not to crit

[drifting quest]

its questionable if the crit set is even yvonnes best set after all

[summer flower]

is bad

[summer flicker]

so the set is used on her

[terse furnace]

nah, it's good because Yvonne has explicit cdmg increases and her ranged attacks allow for consistent dmg output

[drifting quest]

it probably is but not by much

[summer flower]

meanwhile your setups for dmg are fine even with time to setup

[drifting quest]

2/3rds of the bosses have the tendency to book first class tickets to australia

[terse furnace]

Rell, literally nothing you've said has touched on the lack of cdmg increases or the opportunity cost of running a straight up normal damage boost

[summer flicker]

[drifting quest]

or give you forced dodge windows

e.g. dorito and its meteor nukes

your buff vanishes

[dense aurora]

holy moly last rite can nuke

[summer flower]

i didnt touch lack of that, cause i chose it without aiming to get that

[wild sparrow]

just got here but watching this is fun

[summer flower]

like it wasnt my betting on source of that

[terse furnace]

Yvonne's ult hits a lot, you'll hit max stacks in like < 3 seconds during it

Yvonne's ult do be her biggest burst window

[drifting quest]

ok but what about the rest of the time without ult

[summer flower]

if you have problem with upkeen on crit gear maybe you watching wrong content, or having skill issue

[drifting quest]

its far more of your field time

[high finch]

Guys,do you know why iana doc says yvonne requires gilberta to function?

[summer flower]

also its fast to get up

[drifting quest]

bro please try fight the dorito with crit gear and keep 100% uptime

[terse furnace]

Idfk, 70% of Yvonne's damage output is her ult lmao

[summer flower]

@high finch dont trust guides

people gonna be copying wrong guide into new guide

and propagate info even if something isnt accurate

[drifting quest]

yvonne's a mid ass unit and cryo options are not good
gilb is the only way to really stack with a non mediocre unit

[terse furnace]

She doesn't "require" Gilberta to function, but the tl;dr is that cryo infliction application for Yvonne comps are pretty bad rn, so Gilberta being a consistent nature inflictor is Yvonne's best support atm

[drifting quest]

snowshine? bad
estella? worse
alesh? lmao
fluorite? works but 0 damage amp nice dpr lmao

[summer flicker]

me when it take 3 business day to apply cyro infliction

[terse furnace]

We have to run Fluorite for Gilb anyways 🥀

[drifting quest]

you can give up fluor

assuming you're killing fast enough

[terse furnace]

not if we want 3+ stacks of Nature

[drifting quest]

which if you aren't why are you using yvonne

[summer flicker]

maybe when i got sig + essence up and running, i can oneshot

[drifting quest]

fluorite is there for people who will adamantly force yvonne even when they dont have the right setup to actually clear in time

[terse furnace]

To be fair, Fluorite is super low investment cuz you're not building her for damage, but as an infliction bot. We can replace her easily when a better inflictor comes out

[high finch]

so how is it works? the rotation. i don't really get the math between nature infliction and cryo infliction

[summer flicker]

surely they release a better inflictor

[summer flower]

okay read a bit of video

[drifting quest]

never overlap cryo and nature infliction

[summer flower]

i need more attributes so a bit of shuffling is gonna be done

[summer flicker]

[terse furnace]

Gilb Battle/Ult > Fluorite Battle > Fluorite Combo/ult > Yvonne basic rotation 1-2x (idk what the SP would be at) > skip Perlica Combo > Yvonne Battle > Yvonne FS > Gilb+Perlica+Yvonne Combo > Yvonne FS > Yvonne ult if available

[summer flower]

but crit gear i think stays for now

25% attack while i'm haivng upkeep on it

[terse furnace]

you don't want to mix inflictions because it causes a reaction, and Yvonne wants multiple stacks of inflictions for her battle to pop so she can recover ult energy

[high finch]

yeah i mean,it's like you need to apply 3 nature and finish it with cryo to trigger the reaction,right?

[summer flicker]

you have to do 2x yvonne skill

[terse furnace]

Yeah, but noibody on the team has cryo infiction lmao. Yvonne's battle specifically consumes cryo/nature infliction to solidify them

[summer flicker]

sadly with nature, she brick her dmg outside ult even more i guess

[high finch]

oh so. i want to understand how it works and why she's not good rn. You need to consume cryo/nature but we don't have real good source of cryo infliction rn so we use nature instead so we pop her skill 2 times so she can charge up her ult,right?

[terse furnace]

That's just how it be, that's why a majority of her damage is in her ult atm 🥀

[drifting quest]

you can apply via xaihi before ult

or just

solidify

that thing she does

[summer flicker]

ye, cyro comp has good dmg per screenshot i guess

[drifting quest]

every skill

[summer flower]

XD, dont go for crit gear, shows video that guy is talking and telling 25% on it its op when it works

[tight haven]

yeah yvonne is really good for that sweet sweet 2m dmg screenshot

[terse furnace]

Yeah, pretty much. Yvonne's basically an ult bot atm lol

[summer flicker]

xaihi cyro application pretty bad 😭 , it took 3 business day to deal with mobs

[drifting quest]

yes because it is op when it works
the issue is it never works unless you're messing around on overworld

[terse furnace]

How sad it is that LR is the best cryo inflictor in a Yvonne comp 🥀

[high finch]

and i guess she's also terrible for outworld exploration because of that?

[drifting quest]

lr applies the most cryo but she is not the best inflictor

[terse furnace]

She's the only one that can apply multiple stacks in a meaningful period of time

[drifting quest]

she doesn othing but inflict cryo and doesi t at a slower pace than alternatives

[terse furnace]

Xaihi only applies one every 2 rotations

LR applies faster cryo than Xaihi

[summer flower]

which is most what i'm doing

[drifting quest]

xaihi has buffs which is what makes her far and away better

even if she's slower

[summer flower]

MOST TIME SPENT THERE

[terse furnace]

I can't comment on Yvonne's overworld, but my guess is that it probably doesn't matter cuz the overworld is pretty easy

[summer flower]

Most time being reduced = most time saved

[high finch]

also even if we get a good cryo inflictor in the future you can just use it with last rite and get same results. so basically if yvonne is not your waifu you just skip her,right?

[terse furnace]

That means she's a better support, I'm specifically talking about cryo infliction lmao

[drifting quest]

i mean overworld jank has no real place in theorycrafting because you can do all over overworld with level 1 catcher solo

[ripe parrot]

ERM AKSHULLY we should theorycraft best fillet farmers

[tight haven]

i find it hard to justify investing into yvonne over shatter for practically anything but if you enjoy using her then dont let anyone tell you shes unusable or whatever

[terse furnace]

Xaihi is the best Cryo support, LR is the best Cryo inflictor

[terse furnace]

REAL

[tight haven]

power plateau alluvium next question

[drifting quest]

yes any time you would use yvonne last rite will just be better

[drifting quest]

HE grenade tower

[ripe parrot]

ngl laeva + 2 HE frag + as many beam towers as you can fit + power plant alluvium goes hard

[tight haven]

it does yeah

[terse furnace]

well, who you roll for is ultimately up to you because waifu > meta imo, but a good cryo inflictor might be run in both LR and Yvonne comps. We'd need to see a kit to have a clear idea of what they would do

[tight haven]

thats how im farming my shit

[drifting quest]

waifu > meta players when new content randomly drops with orundum tied to it that doesnt let you run 4 women and clear

[ripe parrot]

as a side note while testing med towers suck ass

[summer flicker]

ye i want to make yvonne work cuz she's waifu

[terse furnace]

hey, I said roll for waifus, I didn't say teambuild waifus only

[drifting quest]

i mald at people who ask for waifu only teams

[outer ermine]

forgot those existed

[drifting quest]

guys who can i replace wulfgard with in a laevatein team

[ripe parrot]

i tried it for fun and it was worthless

[summer flower]

do you do it for poeple asking for husbando only teams?

[drifting quest]

please just use wulfgard

[terse furnace]

Lmao someone in the other chat said they wanted a Laev team without Wulfgard. I chose to not say anything

[drifting quest]

no because no one asks for that

[ripe parrot]

med towers heal for nothing and use legit like 6000 charge per heal

[summer flower]

would you? cause you sound like you wouldnt

[terse furnace]

All I'm saying is LR comps are waifu only

[outer ermine]

best comp fr

[ripe parrot]

l argued with an IRL friend that wulf was staple

[outer ermine]

[dire wind]

but cryo...

[terse furnace]

LR is a genuinely good comp lmao

[drifting quest]

if you sell your entire account to vertically investing in her*

[summer flower]

what do you eevn mean losing stacks on that gear

[drifting quest]

Critical Rate +5%. When the wearer scores a critical hit, gain ATK +5% for 5s. This effect can reach 5 stacks. At max stacks, grant an additional Critical Rate +5%. This effect cannot stack.

if you dont score a crit within 5s

all stacks go bye bye

[chrome flax]

just crit on ur autos ez

[summer flower]

YEP

just crit on autos

[ripe parrot]

yes

[drifting quest]

how are you critting against the boss that stops being able to be hit for 10s

please

enlighten me

[chrome flax]

[summer flower]

which one does that?

[ripe parrot]

I have trim for rhod and fidget spinner and am working on marble lady as laev

[drifting quest]

both dorito and marble

rhod too if you cant dodge

(learn to dodge)

[ripe parrot]

phys is the easiest because you can scale everyone up with raw levels/stats for trim

[terse furnace]

Are they still going on about crit? lmao

[ripe parrot]

max? what's your team

[terse furnace]

I guess they're more feelscrafting than looking at the facts

[drifting quest]

bro afforded 4 essences and 16 artificed gear

whaled so hard they time travelled

[summer flower]

so how one get trimmed medal?

how its called in game so i can reference?

[ripe parrot]

try running antal over ard

and if you aren't already running frontier on akekuri, try that too

big burst matters more if you're going for trim

[drifting quest]

clear l90 rhodagn in 120s
clear l90 marble or dorito in 240s

[summer flower]

what category at least in?

[ripe parrot]

Technical category -> combat technique

[drifting quest]

misinfo

[summer flower]

okay i see now

[ripe parrot]

YMMV but i run xiranite + tidefall armor

[summer flower]

wait no

okay yea nvm

[terse furnace]

who tf is going Hot Work on Wulf 💀

[ripe parrot]

main dps wulf chads

not laev players tho

[terse furnace]

I also love it when people can't scroll down

[drifting quest]

they dont read

they just see 1 - set

[pseudo monolith]

can i use eternal xyranite on ember? i want more dmg i dont need heals

[drifting quest]

run set

[ripe parrot]

your mileage may vary

[slim latch]

is there a table for artificing good matches

[terse furnace]

I use Bonekrusha cuz I spam Wulfgard combo a lot

[drifting quest]

there's a link that gets posted here regularly

if you just search essence in this channel you should find it

for dps yes

ult spam is prob better for most people

p5 its always better

[ripe parrot]

when are we getting an increased stagger damage set

i mean the stagger bar itself not extra dmg when staggered

[summer flower]

XD

[terse furnace]

ohhhh, I see the vision

[summer flower]

i was thinking about reading if stagger set increases in same effect stagger dmg

so yea it doesnt okay XD

[slim latch]

if you're talking about endfieldtools.dev they only have an essence solver I don't think they have artificing compatability

[drifting quest]

oh you said artificing

[terse furnace]

just check prydwen

[drifting quest]

did you type essencing first or did i just have a delusion

[terse furnace]

I mean, it's not the exact same but it do be a stagger set

[slim latch]

I have no idea I did edit it like twice lol

[ripe parrot]

too bad that's on a 3 piece set

and wulf can't even use it sad

[summer flicker]

you want 3/3

back to the mines

[ripe parrot]

you prob want to prefer twilight over int/atk

stats (esp main attribute) get devalued the more you have

[summer flicker]

you need all stat for mdps, for support just the 3rd line

you have a 1/24 chance of getting a 3/3

[ripe parrot]

go to alluvium -> get an engraving ticket -> pray to rng

for laev you go to wuling alluvium because it can roll atk %

you match the stats you have on the weapon

[summer flicker]

you can lock 1 stat,
you can choose 3 stat in the 1st line of stat
you have to rng between 8 stat in the 2nd line
you guarnatee the 3rd line
1/24 mines lets goo

[ripe parrot]

you can try a few times to get a solid purple cope essence and then you're better off spending your sanity elsewhere on guaranteed gains

[summer flower]

dont remind me about that :C

[manic blade]

WWWWW

[ripe parrot]

for what it's worth i did trimmed rhod with m0 and random (bad) essence

you may need it for marble lady

i'm still working on that too so i'll let you know

antal only needs skill levels

[manic blade]

fk marble

[ripe parrot]

only laev should be level 90 anyway

[high finch]

how can i add items to quick acess on R?

i want to add chest scanner but i can't find a button to do it

[manic blade]

do yall think its worth running that upon sp recovery increase team dmg by 16% set on akekuri? or not worth bc you don't get enough ult gain

[ripe parrot]

i found arde to be a lot worse in testing but maybe that's just because i didn't have her sig wep at the time

[kindred sorrel]

just dont waste any essences for etching on that

wait until you have a perfect one

[terse furnace]

Use engraving permits lul

[daring dove]

[vernal tapir]

which boss is easiest for trimmed medal

[terse furnace]

[summer flicker]

only guarantee 1 stat, you still have a 1/3 and a 1/8

[ripe parrot]

worth because things don't sync up most of the time anyway on akekuri so you're holding buffs to stack on laev ult

[summer flicker]

or is there anyway to lock double stat

[high finch]

Help me pls

[ripe parrot]

maybe in a 100% optimal world, sp efficiency is better but at least for going for trim it kinda does nothing sometimes

[terse furnace]

Yeah but it heavily reduces RNG. From personal experience, I got the BiS essence for Laev and Ard's weapons on my first tries respectively

[ripe parrot]

go to #help but the "R" button isn't a quick access menu anyway lol

it's only for specific things that are already on there

[kindred sorrel]

same

[high finch]

rly? so i have to use items from invetory always?

[ripe parrot]

wtf unethical

[manic blade]

so run double eternal xiranite or (I can't remember the name) or run that sp recovery team buff set

[ripe parrot]

i meant even with xiranite it doesn't always line up well

so might as well go frontier

to guarantee value

[manic blade]

ic tyyyyyyy

i think only downside is you just lose ult gain on 3 potential pieces

[ripe parrot]

ultimately you should test it in re:crisis because it might not be the same for you as it is for me

[summer flower]

as expected no trimmed

my operator levels are definetly lacking

[ripe parrot]

team?

[summer flower]

average under 80

[ripe parrot]

to be fair the game did tell you a while ago

it just wasn't worth using until now

[summer flower]

85, 65,70, 65

def too low

[ripe parrot]

ginseng meat stew

kunst is less effort

[summer flower]

ohh wait you doing trimmed with food?

[tight haven]

ok fine ill pull for yvonne

[ripe parrot]

it would be easier lol yes

[manic blade]

what heal food yall been using? just buck as for the ease

[summer flower]

i have 360sec on rhodagn

[ripe parrot]

buck but honestly healing doesn't really matter for trim

if you're dying then it's skill issue

[manic blade]

what i was thinkin

[ripe parrot]

if i had infinite resources, i'd just be running ult food on everyone but laev

[summer flower]

average level of 71

[ripe parrot]

what comp

[drifting quest]

i need to unlock the ult food

[summer flower]

endmin, chen, perlica, avyenna

[drifting quest]

i dont know which wuling quest its behind

[ripe parrot]

i do standard laev ult gain rotation but sometimes i hold akekuri/wulf ult because of different phase changes

[drifting quest]

laev with rot vs laev on vibes based driving is pretty different

[ripe parrot]

you pre-charge ults before fight (run around in overworld and gain ult), opening ults, and then normal rotation

oh wait do you mean you're not sequencing your skills?

[manic blade]

i should just set up 20 ginseng farms no

[drifting quest]

if you're gonna manually water them sure

[ripe parrot]

BS: battle skill, CS: combo skill
ake BS -> wulf CS -> final strike -> arde CS -> arde BS (wait until corrosion pops and skill flashes) -> laev CS

assuming arde

opening is pretty much the same with antal but you pop focus earlier and your CS comes out later

[ripe parrot]

you set up as many farms as fillets you want to grind

i hate ginseng

fuck ginseng

if you needed to set up an insanely complex factory route to make slow ginseng farms i would do it

in fact that would be fun

[manic blade]

its sad u cant make seeds back into ginseng

[ripe parrot]

ult gain

if ake has full ult i wulf instead

they're effectively the same thing because both of them don't really do damage

ake with laev if using frontier, otherwise whenever you need SP at the time (but you should still time it with laev ult if possible)

wulf is whenever you need more stacks for laev

i use it like a free BS

[manic blade]

also y'all figure out BIS chest off piece for p4 laev

can you get one cycle with tide fall...

[ripe parrot]

ardelia ult idk lmao whenever?

her ult feels bad in trimmed so i stopped using her early

[sharp viper]

If I want bench ardalia (she is pretty usless here) which one can I put in my current team ?

[ripe parrot]

panda maybe

or akekuri

[summer flower]

guys

swapping from gear with more fitting attributes

to one giving crit chance

[drifting quest]

[summer flower]

has improved time for same boss

not meanigfully

but it did improve time

[drifting quest]

i am

doubtful

[ripe parrot]

sample size of 1?

[summer flower]

10 seconds out of 359

[drifting quest]

unless you had actively bad gear

[ripe parrot]

if it's shaving 10s out of 359 don't you think there are other contributing factors

[summer flower]

no, it was same set

[drifting quest]

the discrepancy is also more likely attributed to cleaner gameplay

[summer flower]

cleaner? it def was not

cleaner

[sharp viper]

panda ? his gameplay don't ask him to consume all vulnerability ?

[summer flower]

by my perception it was worse

[ripe parrot]

it's vuln consume off a combo skill which is free

[summer flower]

anyway gotta grind some operator exp mats and stuff

[dire fractal]

pre charging ult for every try is so annoying though

fml

[ripe parrot]

vs consuming vuln with 100 sp

[sharp viper]

Yes but, I main endmi this don't start a conflit betwee both ?

[ripe parrot]

yes

you'd swap to main operator chen with panda

and end would be relegated to a combo skill

[sharp viper]

I don't want stop to play endmi

[ripe parrot]

or main pog maybe?

then probably akekuri is better

[sharp viper]

I put lot of early investment on him

[ripe parrot]

or go perlica for waifu combo

[sharp viper]

Husbando enjoyer here

[ripe parrot]

you're a husbando endmin and you're NOT going da pan?

[sharp viper]

I don't like panda

[ripe parrot]

it's the inside that counts

[sharp viper]

yes But no

[ripe parrot]

but yeah akekuri/perlica would be a quick and easy change

[sharp viper]

So My luck it's to get Lifeng or Ember

[ripe parrot]

praying for you to get lifeng

[sharp viper]

what job do perlica here ?

[ripe parrot]

combo skill and ult is free dmg

[lucid flower]

I asked this before and got told no she aint useless but in team build i was just told basically she is useless for everyone except yvonne

So should i just reroll my acc with gilberta,as she wont be used for atleast this patch and next patch (assuming patch 3 has a cool 6 star useful for her if not even longer)

[sharp viper]

akekuri just need 60/80 ?

[ripe parrot]

it's not that optimal tbh but you don't have better operators to slot in really

[zenith cave]

Anyone tried a damage build on Ember?

[ripe parrot]

yeah, it's mid

[daring dove]

I have been quite blessed the game keeps giving me dupes of Ardelia or Last Rite if I get dupes.

I don't mind those two.

[ripe parrot]

really wish ember had more potential

[sharp viper]

Ardelia and pog P1 if you want to know x)

Ardelia it's a good character but I play only physique team actually so she is pretty garbage

[zenith cave]

Which weapon? I kind wanna try Sundered Prince for that stagger on final strike.

[tight haven]

at the meat farm

[daring dove]

I have P3 Ardelia & P3 Last Rite, the rest are PO & hope they stay that way.

Playing Laevatain team so I love Ardelia

[sharp viper]

LR is pretty strong

[daring dove]

Yeah I hope I get her P4 soon apparently she really starts to pop off then.

[ripe parrot]

i wanted to try sundered too but alas i don't have it either

[daring dove]

As she can spam her ultimate.

[sharp viper]

@ripe parrot this set and in off set which one ?

[tight haven]

only two for now iirc

[manic blade]

bro do plants rlly only grow while on the game

[ripe parrot]

GINSENG

SUCKS

[manic blade]

wowwww

[ripe parrot]

farming fillets while waiting for ginseng to grow makes me upset

worst part is i don't even know if ginseng meat stew will actually help that much for my trimmed marble medal

i'm still waiting on crowns because i don't have a weapon skill at level 9

[versed schooner]

Can breach and vuln exist together amping each other? Are both + dmg taken or is one of them res/def reduction or both?

[drifting quest]

it will help a lot

ginseng is absurdly strong

[ripe parrot]

is it because it increases atk % by the proportional amount since its' a final modifier?

[honest sable]

Anyone knows in electeam with Avy Perlica Arclight, what the dmg percentrage of each member is?

[drifting quest]

ginseng gives flat atk which can then recieve increases based on all your atk% modifiers

[ripe parrot]

yeah since it's base attack and not %

which is the only reason why i'm even growing it but man

[manic blade]

i hope dijang lets you upgrade more next patch i have so much excess mats

[ripe parrot]

it will 100%

that entire cabin space is empty and closed off

[drifting quest]

i stopped doing my recycling stations, i should probably unlock them and collect daily

[ripe parrot]

i need to redo my ziplines for an easy collection process

maybe do a 0 teleport zipline one-way

[steep fable]

will i ever need 2 detonation units or should i combine them?

[ripe parrot]

combine

detonate effect doesn't stack

[steep fable]

yeah im just wondering in the future, are there modes where you need 2 teams like in genshin

[ripe parrot]

probably not

but we don't know

but just remember: if you have two detonation units, you need TWO essences too

you're better off having a 2nd team that's a little worse than trying to minmax that hard

[steep fable]

alright ill just keep the spare copy then just in case, but only upgrade one of them for now

dont' think the pot is that strong

[ripe parrot]

...isn't the bad more detonate?

that's like 99% of the reason why you even use it

[steep fable]

a pot is like +2% damage i think

or something

idk

[ripe parrot]

that's a lot?

[steep fable]

hm maybe it is but i think id rather just play it safe

not min maxing

[lime bear]

I can't even trimmed Rhodagn smh, I'm fraud

should I swap out Ake for Antal

[shadow fern]

how impactful are the final 30 levels? Should my team be 90 before farming energy alluviums?

my main is 90 and my supports are 60

[lucid flower]

Games barely been out a week and already i feel like stopping lol

[faint surge]

The factory must grow!

[ripe parrot]

probably just 1

esp with laev team

[lucid flower]

Oro must grow first lol

[faint surge]

real

[lucid flower]

But i know im gonna suffer on the game lol

[manic blade]

Wait fillets are in ginseng recipe too?

😭

[ripe parrot]

yes

[manic blade]

What’s best automated farm food buff 😭

[ripe parrot]

that's a good joke

[manic blade]

[ripe parrot]

easiest to make is kunst tube but still requires scorchbugs

otherwise go back to the farms

we are stardew valley now

and eat your dog meat

[tight haven]

triagg doing minions twice kills your trim run

[drifting quest]

im gonna crash out

ember this ember that

raaaaaaaaaaaaaa

its like the 6th time today someone has tried to suggest ember is optimal for phys

[terse furnace]

@summer flicker https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SM8tLHcKFN0

This video seems to show that Yvonne does not need ult efficiency for 3 stack consumptions btw

[summer flicker]

2 rot ?

[terse furnace]

2 rotations is enough for her ult yeah

[drifting quest]

estella snowshine last rite

[summer flicker]

ye but with ult eff, you ult per rot

[terse furnace]

Oh, so ult eff gives 1 rot at 4 stacks?

That's interesting

[summer flicker]

ye, let me give you the vid

[terse furnace]

this is what she's running, which I'm taking with a grain of salt

[tight haven]

mostly depends on arm phase time

[summer flicker]

https://b23.tv/N97dSdr

[terse furnace]

But it probably outputs more damage per ult compared to the build you were using, but maybe less DPS overall cuz it's not ulting as much?

[tight haven]

awake phase is very easy as long as she doesnt do her fire rain attack (it's easy to stunlock her)

tentacles

not much rng involved

[summer flicker]

higher dps/ screenshot but less sustain overall dmg im guessing

[tight haven]

just tests your efficiency at taking them out

[summer flicker]

have to wait for someone to math out to know what good

[terse furnace]

What I wanna know is how the hell did the person I sent you get their hands on her sig weapon

[tight haven]

cc privileges?

might not be on live server

[terse furnace]

maybe

[summer flicker]

i guess cc server

[tight haven]

yeah

[drifting quest]

that or cbt

[rugged kiln]

ember is optimal if you have no hands

[drifting quest]

/ pserver

[drifting quest]

learn to dodge
or if you cant use tacticals

[tight haven]

dont be scared of spending a little time just learning dodge timings

dodging is quite generous in ef

[terse furnace]

The rotations seem fast enough that I think it's worth checking out. I think Laevatain's normal rotation also takes two rotations to get her ult up

[drifting quest]

dodging actively rewards you with sp

it unbricks otherwise bricked rotations

[terse furnace]

I will note that this brings crate up to ~90% with her sig weapon

and her normal damage seems consistently high cuz you're already spamming basics

[timid hatch]

does anyone know of a discord/website/channel with minmax dps guides or theorycrafting? preferably with information post 1.0 TY!

to be more specific i'd like to have a last rite DPS build if there's one floating around! i'd love to learn about the different buffs/debuffs for crazy dmg 😄

[summer flicker]

80% seems to be enough of a threshold alr

[drifting quest]

bro wants a time machine for 1.1 meta

😭

[timid hatch]

me?

[drifting quest]

check #team-build pins

has the most up to date information for teams and builds

as long as you read

[timid hatch]

ty 🙂

[ripe parrot]

ughhhhhhhhhhhhhhhh brother almighty fuck

i have to wait for ginseng to grow

fucking kunst vial

[terse furnace]

I can't say if one build does more damage than the other, I'm just noting the numbers during ult would be more consistent cuz of the higher crit chance

[slate tartan]

Which Xela is the real Xela?

[terse furnace]

Man, this Yvonne build is hella outdated

[drifting quest]

its current optimal yvonne still

[terse furnace]

Why would you mix Xaihi and Gilb?

[slate tartan]

I wanna know how long Combustion last

[drifting quest]

you dont go for 3 stacks

[terse furnace]

This team sucks lmao

[drifting quest]

you just sit on 2 stack gilb or slow xaihi rot during downtime

[drifting quest]

welcome to yvonne bro

bricked unit

[summer flicker]

i would prefer kicking xaihi and add florite

[drifting quest]

its worse

really

[summer flicker]

sadly florite 0 buff

[drifting quest]

you go all in on buffs

[terse furnace]

I'm gonna be real, I think the teams in the Yvonne video I posted earlier seem significantly better than this one lmao

[drifting quest]

if they genuinely recommended estella, snowshine or last rite even once in the video

then it is not

and given the thumbnail i would expect they did

[terse furnace]

Last Rite is a genuine good recommendation for Cryo Infliction cuz you're getting one off every final strike lmao

[drifting quest]

it really is not

[terse furnace]

Have you even tried the comp?

[drifting quest]

yes

i put resources into the team exactly to test it

i want them back

[mystic halo]

it's strictly worse than last rite solo

[terse furnace]

Why are you so against running LR for Cryo Infliction? I'm not saying it's good, but it's one of the most consistent ways to apply it

[terse furnace]

Oh yes 100%

[mystic halo]

and so I dont see any reason why a person making a gameplay resource would recommend it

for practical use

[summer flicker]

so would ult per rot with -10% cr or ult per 2 rot with like 60% amp from xaihi e +ult better

[drifting quest]

you would agree that fluorite is bad right

last rite on yvonne teams is just a reskinned fluorite

no buffs, just there for infliction ]

[terse furnace]

To be fair, the guide that Laffey is recommending recommends Xaihi+Gilb, whom actively clash in a Yvonne team. So either way, neither of these are good recommendations

[exotic burrow]

ah shiet is ange needed for yvonne team?

[timid hatch]

i like fluorite with last rite+xaihi but i feel like i can't use her efficiently, her combo and ult have the same purpose (give 1 cryo when you hit 2 stacks) but i feel like i have to hold my ult for way too long after using combo skill

[drifting quest]

xaihi and gilb only clash if you make them clash

[terse furnace]

Not "needed", but Gilb is the most consistent nature inflictor in the game atm and Yvonne desperately needs a nature/cryo inflictor atm

[drifting quest]

if you care about endgame yes

[exotic burrow]

shieeeet

[drifting quest]

the pure cryo teams are really not good

[mystic halo]

they clash if you dont know any timeline and just press buttons randomly, that's true

[exotic burrow]

i want my big juicy melons so mich but if g🤢lberta is needed then idk

[drifting quest]

[terse furnace]

So what, you actively do not use Xaihi battle until the burst window?

[pliant stag]

would it be better to build last rite (i have her best team and all signatures/best weapons) or physical (no lifeng or panda)

[drifting quest]

you either use cryo stacks or nature stacks

one only

[timid hatch]

i'm just curious why this 'improvised explosive' tech is even in the game 😂

[terse furnace]

What's the damn point of running both then? Xaihi only applies one stack and Gilb has to apply it via battle or ult

You can't use both of them in the same team, it doesn't function

[summer flicker]

so would a yvonne florite gilb perlica ult per rot with -10% crit rate be lower than a yvonne gilb xaihi perlica ult per 2 rot

The difference is: cryo(your basic chain does more dmg in the two rot scenario due to talent), ~60% amp from xaihi, 10% cr from swapping set

[drifting quest]

xaihi ult buffs and then can stack during downtime

[terse furnace]

So you straight up don't use Xaihi except for her ult?

[timid hatch]

her skill

if ur full HP and do a final strike she will buff you for like 30 secs

[terse furnace]

I guess we can just choose to never use Xaihi combo until after popping Yvonne's battle

[summer flicker]

i dont know if there any like combo simulator website so you can put in combo and test out buff/ dmg

[terse furnace]

My problem is the fact that she applies cryo infliction, which will tamper with a nature infliction stack

[timid hatch]

yah

[drifting quest]

/can stack during downtime/
you can also xaihi skill and just not combo

for more buffs

[timid hatch]

but arts amp is all spells i think, idk

[drifting quest]

i dont know the exact timeline for sp

[summer flicker]

cuz welp, as i see things, the yvonne florite gilb perlica pretty good

[summer flicker]

yep

[terse furnace]

Would we even be able to get Gilb to 3 stacks with that comp?

[pliant stag]

anyone?

[terse furnace]

That's kinda where my head's at too

[drifting quest]

both are expensive to build in different ways

[terse furnace]

This Xaihi stuff is neat and all, but the conflicting inflictions is counterproductive

[pliant stag]

is one specifically better than the other youd say?

[summer flicker]

need to wait a week for gilb

so i can test thing

[drifting quest]

both are comparable, physical gets 'good' a lot sooner though

[pliant stag]

oh i understand, last rite wants essence and artifact more huh

[steel topaz]

why's the attack 200 points higher when you are in Wuling vs Valley IV?

[terse furnace]

We'd need to wait until Yvonne's banner to get her Sig too 🥀

[pliant stag]

i think i might as well build her then since i have everything for her whereas im missing so many pieces for physical team

[summer flicker]

ye im prepping her essence too, and now preparing for m12

[mystic halo]

it is overall recommended BECAUSE you can just pick the mode that is better for the situation

it's not like other games where if you are not using a character's abilities they are sitting on cooldown doing nothing

if it is aoe of course you are just clicking gilb bs

if it is single target you just use gilb's other abilities and they are still useful

and even if you have a xaihi combo coming up, guess what

if you use the applied nature with yvonne

[drifting quest]

i gotta press the button

[mystic halo]

the problem disappears into thin air

[drifting quest]

impulse

!!

(the same people who will tell you not to use last rite combo until you pop stacks in dual dps when you tell them you can you pop stacks before xaihi combo)

[terse furnace]

The problem is that, based on the teamcomp, if you wanna get Yvonne's ult down into 2 rotations, you'd need to use Gilb's battle 3 times, THEN use Yvonne's battle, which takes 4 SP overall. There'd be a DPS loss in waiting for that SP gain, as well as a button that's straight up not usable during that window.

Like, I get the idea, but in practice it sounds incredibly clunky. I wish the guy at least put numbers or combo notations so I can see where his head's at, even if I understand it

To be clear, I understand we're using Xaihi for the cryo amp, but solely relying on Gilb for the infliction is a little rough

[mystic halo]

but why do you need to click gilb 3 times? after consuming nature you get xaihi combo > autos > yvonne combo

and now enemy has 2 stacks of cryo

oh sorry no that was changed

no 2 stacks of cryo

[summer flicker]

ye, sadly

[mystic halo]

this fucking unit

[terse furnace]

yeah, see the problem now? lmao

[daring dove]

My hot take is maxed out Last Rite will end up being better than Yvonne.

[terse furnace]

You want 3 stacks of Nature/Cryo per rotation to get Yvonne's ult down in 2 rotations

[terse furnace]

Currently, I absolutely agree lmao

[summer flicker]

5 stack total if no ult eff if im right

[drifting quest]

not a hot take it's the truth

[terse furnace]

I'm not trying to argue that Yvonne is better than LR, I'm arguing that the comp listed in this google doc is clunky

[mystic halo]

it's the same problem where if you dont start with ult you cant do anything other than leap off a cliff

but it's still the best comp you have

because the other options are too dogshit

it was the same way last cbt

like if you think this is clunky

you havent seen shit

[inner latch]

Is it worth getting copies of levaetain's weapon?

[drifting quest]

no

[terse furnace]

I think I would genuinely rather run Fluorite, and I'm the biggest Fluorite hater

[drifting quest]

potentials, both on characters and weapons, are not worth the investment of pulls

unless you're a whale

and even then its not worth it

[mystic halo]

so the thing is

this is still a better outcome

than using fluorite

[drifting quest]

ult gain % > will

is all you really care for

[terse furnace]

I wonder how impactful of a DPS increase/loss it is to delay the rotation for 4 SP as opposed to 3 SP considering her ult takes 2 rotations to recharge fully (3 stacks each rotation)

[mystic halo]

yvonne is a character that is completely dead in the water on second rotation and there is no comp that can make getting a second ult good

not even ult spam alesh can do it

[drifting quest]

int increases her attack and hence damage

will increases the healing of her sheep

[daring dove]

In the long run any weapon that has an ATK% sub-stat is worth picking up. Her Battle pass weapon also has ATK% but its half the value I think. An unless you end up with a lot of dupes of the battle pass sword (you can only get 3 first BP). You end up with 7% ATK on BP weapon & 39% on sig.

[drifting quest]

potentials for her sig do not increase the atk% it gives

[mystic halo]

no you dont understand

there is no second rotatino here

[daring dove]

It does for the battle pass one though, which is what I was pointing out.

[mystic halo]

if we are trying to use this character at all

we need to oneshot the enemy

[terse furnace]

Dude, the Gilb Fluorite comp can bring out multiple rotations fine. The game is damage per second, not screenshot

[mystic halo]

if you have to do a second rotation ever

it is immediately no longer worth using this character

we are getting into

Im using this just for the sake of using it

[terse furnace]

Does LR even one shot L90 bosses atm?

[mystic halo]

which is not productive

yes

easily

hilariously so

[terse furnace]

Aren't there invincibility phase changes?

[mystic halo]

yes and that is the problem

yvonne has the same problem

and cant oneshot the boss

[daring dove]

Ah I see what you mean though he's asking if it's worth getting dupes not worth getting the wepapon originally. Because I think getting the weapon originally is absolutely worth.

[summer flicker]

in her talents

[drifting quest]

talent 1

[terse furnace]

I don't really understand why you keep harping on Yvonne < LR when I was never arguing that point lmao, my main point is that I think the Xaihi+Gilb comp is clunky and this is not a good recommendation to others

[drifting quest]

all yvonne comps are clunky

[mystic halo]

it's the best she has for the current game state

[drifting quest]

the gilb one is the least clunky

[mystic halo]

and it can to an extent play in both aoe and st

and that's why it's the best she has

[mystic halo]

unfortunately this is a relevant concern