theorycrafting

[sudden lichen]

Sig ofc is broken though

[mystic halo]

did you get any chivs

if you have chivs you can put off the det unit

[civic wolf]

here's the thing though

Yvonne got changed from that beta

[sudden lichen]

yeah she was buffed

[mighty imp]

wait no
i only get 300 per day and another 60 or 120 at most

1k is wild

[sudden lichen]

it really isn't, a regular day with clue exchange

[mighty imp]

idek what is clue exchange
this game has so many stuff ahh

[civic wolf]

@sudden lichen any idea on choosing between detonation unit and Wedge?

there's this picture on reddit so idk

[dry kindle]

Just take det

[mighty imp]

i guess wedge for crit rate?

[sudden lichen]

detonation for sure

[civic wolf]

what should i use on Yvonne then? Navigator? Just a bit worried about it being worse off

[sudden lichen]

I always got trolled by getting a ton of detonation unit dupes in beta and release, so I never really thought about it

[drifting quest]

crit is pretty much useless right now

[sudden lichen]

navigator is still ok for yvonne

don't overinvest it though

[mighty imp]

uh ok

[dry kindle]

You're completely fucked without sig so

[drifting quest]

even the one crit character in the game doesnt like the crit set

because the crit set is so bad

[mighty imp]

dang

[sudden lichen]

is it that bad? what does she use?

[civic wolf]

wdym overinvest?

[sudden lichen]

don't 90 it

[mighty imp]

this game gives no mats
I keep running out of everything

my endmin team isnt even all 60 yet bruh

[civic wolf]

yeah i made the choice of pulling 30 more into lav to get Lifeng's 2nd BiS and now i can't budget for my offrateup Yvonne in pulls

[drifting quest]

bonekrusha, pulser, yinglung are all options

[civic wolf]

that sounds so stupid tho wdym the BP weapon is somehow not good enough and that Wedge is better

[drifting quest]

none are amazing

another yvonne l is lack of good gear set

probably will probably force crit set on her anyway despite it sucking

[sudden lichen]

claim 420 credits from the daily, then 3x30 from deliveries, and 900 from clue exchange
And always keep 200-300 from previous day, easy 1.67K credits in one day

[mighty imp]

i see
thers a lot of things to do

[sudden lichen]

that's 2 things

clue exchange and delivery

[mighty imp]

aight

ima pull ziplines for delivery

and then ill figure out what clue exchange is

[spark orbit]

Am I doing something wrong or does something feel off with current levaetain teams, it feels like I can’t rlly get combust cuz there’s no non fire inflictions

[mystic halo]

why would you need other inflictions

conventionally

[sudden lichen]

also you get 100 credits from boosting friend ships

all the info

250 from exchange visits too

but basically, it's do deliveries, then all the friend visit/clue exchange shenanigans at once, it's fairly quick aside load times

[civic wolf]

actually im hopiuming a little

is Ardelia sig useful on anyone but Ardelia?

cuz atm i dont think i'll be using Detonation aside on for Xaihi once i got around to Yvonne team

[sudden lichen]

you will use detonation unit

[civic wolf]

dammit

yeha guess i have to live with Navigator Yvonne unless i pulled for someone else AND ignore their sig for the next two banners after Yvonne

....is there any indication we'll get any skippable sigs so far?

Gilberta?

[mighty imp]

why cant you build some other team first
then get yvonne sig

[mystic halo]

gil weapon is really really good

[civic wolf]

no arsenal ticket budget

already used 110 pulls on Lav

[mighty imp]

oh welp

[civic wolf]

so i'd rather plan for just in case i can never get Yvonne sig

[mighty imp]

navigator doesnt look so bad?

[grand bough]

Do i need to upgrade Wulfguard abilities if i dont care about his dmg? Any of his ability increase Lavatain dmg?

[sudden lichen]

it's ok, but not the sig

wedge or navigator are suitable fillers for yvonne

with a small preference for wedge

[civic wolf]

do we have skippable sigs so far anyway?

Like i hear Lav can do just fine with BP wep?

[sudden lichen]

Honestly I don't believe sigs and limited ops will truly be limited

[mighty imp]

laevatain can kind of use the bp one

its close i think

[sudden lichen]

So if you really want to get everything, things will cycle back in some form

[mighty imp]

wedge's crit rate seems to fit her

[sudden lichen]

if you don't want gilberta for use though, just spare for yvonne sig

[civic wolf]

look idk about you but i've been too traumatized by hoyoversealikes when it comes into FOMOs

this game needs to earn my trust in rerunning things

[mystic halo]

it's like 1/4 loss

it's not great

[sudden lichen]

I've only played AK and I trust HG to be reasonable to a degree

[civic wolf]

and 3 banner patches periods hen weapon tokens are this stingy

isn't enough

[simple spoke]

plus we dont even have a proper endgame yet to know if you'll even need to minmax damage to the point of needing every sig instead of dealing wth the bp weapons

[sudden lichen]

yeah, we don't have enemy power creep

[mighty imp]

the game is new
u dont need full premium team

fr

at most you 'll just clear a lil slower

[civic wolf]

can you refine the BP weapons with the free paid BP?

[sudden lichen]

not in a way that isn't manageable

[grand bough]

Do i need to upgrade Wulfguard abilities if i dont care about his dmg? Any of his ability increase Lavatain dmg?

[sudden lichen]

prob not?

[civic wolf]

but yeah i just find it dissapointing that in this game its like

[sudden lichen]

but more damage doesn't hurt

[civic wolf]

one ten pull to brick em all

i'll be working on Lav and monophys team for now but im a bit dissapointed with the banner system

[simple spoke]

I think you should come to terms with just not having every sig

im gonna have faith that the endgame wont be that straining

[civic wolf]

i moreso have an issue about not being able to funnel oroberyl to arsenal

[simple spoke]

oh hmm thats fair

[humble phoenix]

any gilberta+lev testers?

[sudden lichen]

I forgot I had already tried to get last rite sig and got 2 detonation units instead. The maths should be enough to get it. Though I need to spare for the 2 incoming sigs

[civic wolf]

all i got from pulling Lav sig cuz i thought i should try to at least gather some 5* and 6* weapons

is two clannibals

and a lousy blue sword

[sudden lichen]

sounds like me in beta

[civic wolf]

yeah that awful useless sword

[sudden lichen]

I had to force guarantee for her sig

and failed to have enough for yvonne sig guarantee

[civic wolf]

I did get Lav sig at pity

but i decided to funnel 30 more to select Valiant since i like LIfeng 😔

[sudden lichen]

f you laev, I don't use you and never will

[simple spoke]

shitt I need a clannibal

my mdps wulfgard gotta eat

[sudden lichen]

RHGHG

I got a third detonation unit

[civic wolf]

Clannibal's nice for Wulfgard at least but god i hoep they didnt phase him out the moment a better support shows up 😔

[sudden lichen]

3 in a row on the last rite banner

I'm dying

[mystic halo]

3rd slot of antal/ake is more likely to be replaced before wulf

hell even ardelia is more likely to go before wulfgard

[sudden lichen]

WHAT THE HELL, A FOURTH ONE

what are the numbers

[simple spoke]

they gotta focus on getting the cryo and nature applicators in first

[sudden lichen]

how is this possible

[simple spoke]

bc why does yvonnes teams suck so bad

💔

[sudden lichen]

4 detonation units in 4 pulls for last rite sig, I'm crying

[simple spoke]

insane

[civic wolf]

im envious of this pull

would've been nice to get a rando detonation unit so i can go wedge instead

i despise that blue sword so much

actually useless

[sudden lichen]

well, guess I was forced to guarantee last rite sig instead this time 🥹

omg what are the chances guys, I got it

[simple spoke]

tbh the odds of going to pity feel pretty high

the 6* guarantee is only a 25% chance

feels poopy

[sudden lichen]

I guess it's to compensate the 4% of 6*

[simple spoke]

yeah true

[sudden lichen]

like I got 6 6* **weapons **in 80 pulls

[simple spoke]

damn

ive pulled 4 times and only gotten a 6* on the guarantee lol

[sudden lichen]

welp, guess I lost 12K weapon currency for that last rite sig, she better be useful now 🥲

[sand pike]

yo chat how do I build a Endmin/Pog/Chen/Ardelia setup?

[brave arrow]

what's the best way to generate ultimate?

[indigo spindle]

before i start doing artificing are these the pieces you want in her?

[dense plank]

whats the duration of arts inflictions

[drifting quest]

~20s unless specified otherwise

[civic wolf]

should you level 80 subDPSes too like Wulfgard or nah not really?

just wondering if with Yvonne and Lav's case you can keep the invest on the subDPS minimal since they're both hypercarry

im guessing its a lot less skippable in monophys since that's the comp where everyone is subDPS tho

[dense plank]

dang nowhere even near antals combo cooldown so I still have to spend SP outside his combo cd.

[drifting quest]

damage shares are minimal to none

wulf if not p5 and you dont think you'll hit p5 anytime soon you can invest into

but its very expensive to make the investment 'worth' it

[dense plank]

when an attack buff says 'effects of the same name' ex thermite cutter
does it refer to the name 'flow: thermal release' or 'the entire team gains atk%'

[drifting quest]

it means if oyu have 2 thermites they dont stack

[dense plank]

ok so former

[civic wolf]

Monophys is the exception tho right?

[drifting quest]

same applies for xiranite

[haughty crag]

anyone got info on essences to farm and what to etchon them, and also what gear artifice mods to prio on gear for whatever slots for teams? maybe someone has the info on laev and her team at least? idk if anyone already put out concepts for most chars

[civic wolf]

I run Lifeng Pog Chen Ardelia so it's all 3 of them doing damage

[brisk pecan]

fellas, what does "this effect cannot stack" mean exactly? like, is it only for the same sources? what if i wanna eternal xiranite + frontiers (both give dmg+16% for 15s), do those stack?

[dense plank]

you farm for the essence of your main dps's weapon, your choice of stats just lets you potentially get other essences that would be BiS for other weapons

[drifting quest]

open your weapon > look at it's (3) lines
look at the skill > find essence which has skill > make sure it can drop all 3 of the lines
buy permits > select the skill + the stat + 2 random stats
each essence drop is now 1/24 chance to be a 3/3

e.g. Laevatein Scorgeborn wants Int + Atk% + Twilight
Twilight drops from either wuling or one of the valley 4 one's

but the valley 4 one with twilight does not drop atk%, while the wuling one does

so to farm for forgeborn you do ONLY the wuling one, select twilight + int + (2 random stats) and wait to hit the 1/24

[haughty crag]

ya was more wondering what mods to gamble on the uprade

or to prio at least

outisde of just what matches the wep

[drifting quest]

twilight > int = atk%
but you'll generally be rolling on whichever is the lowest and then pitying the high cost ones

[drifting berry]

idk for me lvl 60 E3 is enough for supporters and healers so at least you can get them lvl 70 gear, Wulfgard has far as I'm concern at P5 lvl 90 contributes for about 15%-20% of the team total damage on Laev teams so investing to much into him will not give you that much returns, specially if your Wulfgard is not p5

[haughty crag]

makes sense. if it fails it gets deleted?

[drifting quest]

you get 10 gel and it gets deleted

[haughty crag]

[drifting quest]

then you can spend the gel to guarantee an upgrade

e.g. 300 gel for twilight 3, 450 for int 9

[civic wolf]

whats the most optimized dijang farming?

high exp item or the low ones?

[drifting berry]

I guess it going to be the higher tier ones from my experience on og arknights, haven't calc it tho

[whole cipher]

Which gear set works best for Laeva?

Fire gear seems obvious but bonekrushing looks promising.

[drifting quest]

it depends ™

3p hot work, double pyrometer, tide chest is good for now, generic

just avoid artificing

[drifting berry]

Hot work is bis, for the 4th piece you can go Lynx Slab or there is a armor piece that gives Int, Strengh and extra energy for ult

[drifting quest]

lynx slab requires extra investment that isnt reasonable

tide chest wins out without getting into artificing

[drifting berry]

I see, yeah I always feel short for ult so I might change it

[brisk pecan]

apologies for asking again but uh

[mystic halo]

lynx straight up gives you less ATK than tide chest

the only reason you would ever use it is if you were super duped out and artificed on everything, perfect essence

are using the best food in the game

and have an enemy you can oneshot

and there the numbers would be a little bit higher maybe

[drifting berry]

It means that you cannot have more than one character with that effect. Example would be for example Detonation orb, it increases art damage taken by the enemy but if you have multiple characters on the same team with that weapon it will only refresh the effect, not double the effect

[sand pike]

should I run Lynx on Ardelia if Pog is already running Xiranite on the same team?

Or should I run Xiranite on both

[drifting quest]

it should be more than a bit

but its so ludicrously expensive its not worth it

[civic wolf]

trust items worth buying? or not really?

[drifting quest]

the teabox and dumbbells are trust items

trust is good to do

[mystic halo]

very small difference in cbt2

[brisk pecan]

alright, and "that effect" means the effect with the same names? ie. a "dmg+16%" and a "phys dmg+10%" will stack, right?

[drifting quest]

maybe im missing something

the atk gap should be big

plus extra dmg%

[mystic halo]

the artificing works out unfavourably

because you are forced to take shitty chest

and the extra elemental boost on chest substat is mega diluted

[dense plank]

call the operator you want improve trust on and if they want that item just buy 3 of it

[civic wolf]

yeah but how much am i actually getting out of the trust matrix nods

[mystic halo]

not even the fully maxed speedrunners bothered with it

[drifting quest]

60 main stat

[dense plank]

you dont need to buy it all at once

[thorn ibex]

help
#team-build message

[midnight stirrup]

Yes, increasing trust on a character makes you unlock stat nodes on their talent level screen.

[drifting quest]

you can only use 6/day per unit

[mystic halo]

generally it will take 3 days

to hit 100

but it's a lot of stats

[civic wolf]

why 3 specifically?

[dense plank]

if its an item that has the improved trust icon 3 of it fills the daily trust

you can gift more but it'll give less trust

[haughty crag]

first one bout to rip it

[civic wolf]

Lifeng has been gaining trust on his own and i have no idea why

[mystic halo]

ops in control center gain trust

[drifting quest]

is he in the control center on dijiang

[dense plank]

like this

[midnight stirrup]

There's 3 smileys when youre gifting a character. The first is green, the second orange, the third red. Each smiley needs 3 items to fill. The first smiley with 3 items gives max trust per item gain, the second gives less, the third gives the least. After that you dont get trust anymore for that day afaik.

So just fill the first smiley every day for a character.

[civic wolf]

yea

[civic wolf]

do you get anything outside of matrix node for 100%ing anyone?

[dense plank]

none atm maybe in the future

we can romance them

[drifting quest]

lore via their profile

[thorn ibex]

does anyone have damage formula for this game?

[midnight stirrup]

Are you supposed to Ardelia skill after combo when the smoke is still on the enemy

Or once it detonates

[sand pike]

while it has corrosion on their health bar

because ardelia skill noms the corrosion and turns it into susceptibility

also come to think of it does Ardelia run Energy Regen or Healing Bonus?

or a mix of both

[fallen sun]

does anybody have gilberta? is there any way to make her detonate faster cause holy crap

she feels unusable outside of clearing trash in her current state because elites and bosses just walk out of the skill

[civic wolf]

so Yvonne party? Xaihi Fluorite Ardelia i assume?

also is Gilberta's BP weapon anything worth talking about or not really

[fallen sun]

isn't there something that's basically slightly worse in the BP?

[drifting quest]

er

[fallen sun]

I don't think it's worth it

[drifting quest]

ult bot for nuking endgame content in whale-ish builds

or nature infliction stacker/amp for yvonne

thats all she has right now

[fallen sun]

no I get that

it's just, she has to fully channel for 4 seconds on the skill

it's infuriating when elites just walk out of it

[thorn ibex]

does anyone know where i can find the damage formula for this game? i literally cant find it anywhere

[drifting quest]

backsearch here

[fallen sun]

I tried preemptively ending it with combo and dodge, neither work and are both input locked

[drifting quest]

there's a google doc

[fallen sun]

her kit almost feels like a scam when she has a skill that you can't use on actual challenging content to apply nature

[thorn ibex]

Overall Damage ≈
DamageMult × ATK × DefenseReduction
× (1 + Amplification buffs)
× (1 + Damage dealt buffs)
× (1 + Susceptibility & Taken buffs)

is this correct?

[drifting quest]

looks right

[thorn ibex]

is it missing anything?

[drifting quest]

potentially but afaik we have relatively accurate sheeting now via that

[thorn ibex]

okay nice, ill modify my other games sheets to accomodate that
how accurate is "rotations" so far?

is there any energy calculator yet?

[drifting quest]

missing a lot still, and no

the sheet being used right now thats wip is linked here too

[thorn ibex]

do you know who is doing the sheeting?

i wanna contribute aswell, but still a bit early so idk how much different stuff needed to be tested

[thorn ibex]

also do you know how "Defense Reduction" work? how much is base def?

[drifting quest]

Just Monika is doing the sheet

[whole cipher]

Does mk2 actually work better than regular drills?

The wording on it made me assume so, but it seems the same when used on regular ores like amethyst.

[drifting quest]

#theorycrafting message

[fading bane]

Am i missing something for her? With full set she's only at 184.3%?

[thorn ibex]

what even are these classes

[drifting quest]

endfield has classes for units

it matters because there's talents like gilbertas that buff specific classes

[thorn ibex]

that is so funny

i cant find any calcs tho

just a collection of info

which is amazing dont get me wrong

[drifting quest]

https://docs.google.com/document/d/19Nk6BEH-FLYpZ6nKVAhAOeYiSBjnf6a0HTNYFbNJ0Ss/edit?tab=t.0

[thorn ibex]

wait why is the doc has edit perms

lmfao

tell them to turn that off

[midnight stirrup]

So the combo applies corrosion, skill consumes it right

But is corrosion applied when the pink cloud explodes or before

[drifting quest]

@gritty olive

[midnight stirrup]

Detonate what? Her skill?

[fallen sun]

yeah, it always channels for the full 4 seconds

[midnight stirrup]

I dont think we know anything about sig yet

[fallen sun]

I tried combo, dodge offset to make it go off early

[midnight stirrup]

Its always like that, you can only swap off while it casts

[fallen sun]

they're both input locked

[gritty cobalt]

is gilberta's sig necessary or should i just use the bp weapon

[fallen sun]

no I realize

it's just on any hard content the mob just moves out of the way

[summer flicker]

so what the best team for yvonne? yvonne florite gilb alesh?

[fallen sun]

it's not like fluorite or something where it sticks to the mob

[drifting quest]

sig is very good, stanza, bp or det are alternatives

[midnight stirrup]

Have they revealed sig yet?

[fallen sun]

so she's feeling like a nature applicator that's worse than fluorite at the moment

which is insane

[midnight stirrup]

Where can I see this, ingame news?

[drifting quest]

akekuri or ardelia over alesh
potentially xaihi over fluorite

depends on what you want and how you play

[drifting quest]

cbt

[midnight stirrup]

Oh...

[thorn ibex]

what is weakness factor?

[fallen sun]

because why would you pull a limited SSR worse than a 4*

[midnight stirrup]

Resistance to element afaik

[placid steeple]

Because you like the character?

[summer flicker]

i wonder how enough sp with ardelia

[fallen sun]

well, yes

[midnight stirrup]

Where can I find the sig

[drifting quest]

any online source, try prydwen

[midnight stirrup]

Aight thanks

[drifting quest]

explained in the doc

[thorn ibex]

what is the base value? for calcs do i just assume 1?

[stoic dragon]

does anyone have a rotation of Laevatain with Ardelia? I'm a little confused about when to apply Ardelia's debuff

[midnight stirrup]

Im not sure, check the doc shuo referred u to

Should explain in there

Bro, berta sig seems broken af

[drifting quest]

laev n5 always procs ardelia combo
after ardelia combo applies corrosion battle skill can be cast to consume the corrosion and apply the vuln

[thorn ibex]

it wasnt, exactly why im asking

[stoic dragon]

yeaa, but sometimes there are moments when the melting flame in Laevatan is also full, which one is more of a priority?

[thorn ibex]

oh wait i am dumb it's a lot later down

ignore me om

[drifting quest]

your first rotation can facilitate ardelia where you wont have 4 melting flam

e

[stoic dragon]

alr

[midnight stirrup]

Apologise and kiss my feet rn

jk

[oblique galleon]

Least aids node for twilight orb farm?

[uncut kestrel]

Do i only level up akekuri's ultimate and ignore everything else in her talents?

[summer flicker]

so for yvonne gilb xaihi akekuri team
so when gilberta comes out the rotation is like:
xaihi skills -> Gilberta skills -> gilberta ult -> yvone skills -> yvonne combo skills -> yvonne final strike -> xaihi combo skill -> xaihi skill -> yvonne do two more final strike -> xaihi combo skill -> yvonne skill -> yvonne combo skills.
Akekuri combo skill is pretty random so idk where to put
Would this enough to get full energy for yvonne ultimate.

[drifting quest]

Combo sp gen scales with talent level too

[real mist]

JET or maxed potential cohesive traction

[thorn ibex]

gaddamn take me out for dinner first jeez

[midnight stirrup]

for who

[drifting quest]

Wuling is the only one that can 3/3

[real mist]

for avywenna

[midnight stirrup]

JET afaik but could be wrong

[uncut kestrel]

Ohhh so combo and ultimate got it and for wolfgard all of them? Cuz he does lil dmg himself too rt?

[oblique galleon]

ATwilight is rnged in other regions too tho, powerplant you can do int + atk and rng twilight no? Or at least twilight is listed in f8

[nova lance]

So is there a definitive best laev team now?

[uncut kestrel]

Isn't it lava wolfgard akekuri and ardelia?

[summer flicker]

would yvonne be able to have ult up with 4 infliction consume + 2 enhanced skill + 2 combo skill + teammate doing some skills
like what the universal ult regen when a teammate use skill becaue i saw my yvonne ult energy going up when my teammate use skill

[oblique galleon]

12f if you just do 1 rotation is way better

[uncut kestrel]

Ohhhhhhh

[nova lance]

Wut

[oblique galleon]

Antal

Arknights bias

[nova lance]

Ye Ik

But why better?

[oblique galleon]

• arts unit user

[uncut kestrel]

Only against bosses*

[oblique galleon]

So technically could buff even more atk %

[uncut kestrel]

In aoe akekuri woldgard better

Cuz his skill only applies on 1 enemy

[oblique galleon]

His ult still works

Which is why I specifically said 1 rotation only

[uncut kestrel]

Feels worse against multiple enemies

[oblique galleon]

vs bosses I'm pretty sure antal is better

Assuming you have hands

For perfect dodges

Or you drown in sp cost

[uncut kestrel]

[drifting quest]

depends on the boss

[fading bane]

Anyone knows?

[drifting quest]

and if you're food buffing

[drifting quest]

you need to artifice it

which is

expensive

[nova lance]

Wut do I do now? I have maxed my factory, do I just max out my first team?

[drifting quest]

hence why the set is not really good for 99% of people

[misty mulch]

for avywenna, does battleskill dmg bonus effect the damage of her returning lances?

[fading bane]

Thank you

[thorn ibex]

both worlds?

if so now you just chillax and go into farming gear stuff

[vivid sail]

Edge of lightness or thermite cutter for akekuri? In lava team?

[nova lance]

Yes

[nova lance]

I already have gold gear for my team

[tribal magnet]

HELP, Where in main quest can I get the last upgrade piece for Control Nexus Level 5?

[thorn ibex]

thermite

[thorn ibex]

etch

[vivid sail]

Okie thanks

[nova lance]

Etch?

Artificing?

[thorn ibex]

yaa

[drifting quest]

id consider avoiding artificing for a bit

its cost is prohibitive and bis gear is still contested

[nova lance]

wut do I do then?

Just level my ops right?

[drifting quest]

depends on the op

some dont really need levels

essences are the main go to sanity sink so you can let other resources accumulate until there's a reason to use them

[nova lance]

My DPS not e4

Is that fine?

Even skill levels?

[civic wolf]

anyone who owns Giberta can check her sig in the recommended tab

[vivid sail]

Are essences really that big of a dmg increase? Or ur fine without them?

[nova lance]

Wut are the checkpoints for skill levels too btw?

[drifting quest]

dps tends to be the only ones wanting levels

some supports want skill levels which can require elite promotions

[tight haven]

yeah supports generally just want levels for the named passives

dps essences obviously want passives maxed but other than that it depends. generally atk% is really cracked

yvonne also really likes the cc on her sig maxed

[nova lance]

I have a laev team

[tight haven]

you should probably max out laev's damage as much as possible

[nova lance]

How Shud one go in leveling this team up?

[tight haven]

the vast majority of the team's damage comes from JUST her

[nova lance]

So e4 and rank 9 skills?

[drifting quest]

vertical on lave, enough to get talents for the others
sl9 combo and ult ake
sl9 skill ard

[tight haven]

yeah

basically

[drifting quest]

anything that isnt those 3 is just more damage

[nova lance]

Vertical?

[tight haven]

antal bskill and ult 9 too

if youre using him

[drifting quest]

putting most resources into her

yeah

[nova lance]

I'm not...

[nova lance]

Battle skill for arde right?

[tight haven]

beyond those skill levels for your supports just full send into laev

[drifting quest]

oh ake combo doesnt get sp with levels

oops

[tight haven]

m9 her (basic can stay unlevelled), max her weapon essence, max her gear arrifices

[drifting quest]

en cant read moment

artificing isnt worth it right now esp for laev

[nova lance]

Bryh

[drifting quest]

till we know which gear set

[tight haven]

are people still like

ahh okay

[drifting quest]

i sl9'd the combo too

caught

[nova lance]

Propaganda

[tight haven]

im just using the hot work + tide fall set

[drifting quest]

yeah thats the most common

there's hot work lynx slab

[tight haven]

they made artificing so fucking expensive

[drifting quest]

and there's a full energy set that does 1 ult / rot but needs artificing to function

which is best is to be seen

[tight haven]

whats the set

[drifting quest]

so might as well hold off, save the mats up and then do it all in one go

[tight haven]

ehh, nothing else to spend wuling bills on in my case

well

except fishing for a laev essence

[drifting quest]

double redeemer seal, tide chest, xiranite gloves

[nova lance]

So just sink sanity on essence?

[tight haven]

27 runs in btw 👍

[drifting quest]

yeah

[tight haven]

after levelling your stuff yep

just keep fishing for a laev essence

tbh i only do it with the tickets

[drifting quest]

it'll take probably a week or two of natural sanity to max it, maybe longer

[tight haven]

past that it feels like a waste bc its so random

[drifting quest]

if you're just feeding them in then using tickets is a waste

[tight haven]

yeah ofc

[nova lance]

Wut she need?

Twilight?

[tight haven]

twilight atk% int boost

[drifting quest]

int atk% twilight

[tight haven]

all 3

if its 2/3 atk% twilight its usable

but you shouldnt feed into it

[nova lance]

Wuts ideal?

[tight haven]

only feed into an optimal essence so you can have 9/9 9/9

[tight haven]

all three stats

i miss u

[nova lance]

[tight haven]

(my beta laev was nutty)

[valid zealot]

Smh.

Not live.

[tight haven]

im trying.

[drifting quest]

ive pitied both twilight upgrades and 1 of the int upgrades

lmao

[tight haven]

yeah if you go deep enough youre just gonna have to pity

the rate is obscenely low

i think a cn player said the rate feels around 1-5% for very low

[drifting quest]

i need what 20 or 30 more runs to max it

if i pity every one

[valid zealot]

Etch pity?

[nova lance]

There's pity??

[tight haven]

yea not the worst

yep

[drifting quest]

every failed attempt is 10 gel

[tight haven]

every failed etch gives 10 coolant

[drifting quest]

you can spend gel to guarantee an upgrade

the cost becomes insane at higher stuff

[tight haven]

you need uhh

[drifting quest]

the int one is 450 gel

or 45 fails

[tight haven]

yeah

it gets pretty high

[nova lance]

Rip

[drifting quest]

the twlight one was like 300 or 400

[tight haven]

its the Endgame Sanity Sink™

300

unless they changed it from beta

[drifting quest]

probably 300

[valid zealot]

IremWaitaMeowment

[tight haven]

you dont consume coolant when you level up tho

[drifting quest]

still better than artificing

[tight haven]

yeah

artificing is just worse than from beta

LOL

because its so expensive

maybe when we have maxed wuling region dev it'll be nicer but for now its dogwater

[drifting quest]

artificing is like 320k bills 20k components or something just for the fodder alone for 1 stat on 1 piece

[tight haven]

if you keep hitting pity yea

[drifting quest]

let alone the extra material needed

[tight haven]

the rate isnt like

the wooooooooooooooooorst

unless they also changed that from beta

[valid zealot]

I better not bother.

PES_Exit

[tight haven]

if you wanna be efficient just buy the discounted tickets then the discounted 40 artifice cores every week

[valid zealot]

It's till 2.4m.

MAN

Ignorance is bliss.

I will not bother.

[tight haven]

it would be nice if these motherfuckers werent so goddamn broke

[valid zealot]

icant

Need some giga plus stock to bail out of this hole

[oblique galleon]

I'm gonna cry

[tight haven]

at least wuling has environmen5 monitoring

210k every few days

pretty solid

[oblique galleon]

Can someone let me borrow a buynch of wuling money

[tight haven]

i feel u

dude i have a fucking

+3 atk +3 twilight

and the third stat is str.

[drifting quest]

they dont even have enough food to survive and you're forcing them to buy batteries what do you expect

[dense plank]

what governs the sucess rate of etching?

[tight haven]

they need to pull themselves up by their bootstraps

[tight haven]

how levelled the stat being etched is

[mystic halo]

feng shui

[tight haven]

higher level = lowe rate

[drifting quest]

desire sensor

[outer ermine]

true

[drifting quest]

the more you want it the lower the rates

[tight haven]

passives (twilight, infliction, fracture, etc.) have a max level of +3

thats why theyre so low to begin with

[drifting quest]

the other 5 come from potentials

is why

[tight haven]

yuh

[valid zealot]

Is maxed pot weap 5 passive levels.

[tight haven]

yes

[dense plank]

but I'm only starting to etch something and success rate is already low

it gets lower?

[valid zealot]

Aight just read.

[tight haven]

(laev is pot 5 btw)

(55 weapon banner pulls btw)

[drifting quest]

🐳

[valid zealot]

Pot 1 is 1 pot 5 is 6

[outer ermine]

whel

[valid zealot]

When does it get +2

[drifting quest]

gilb might get me to drop a bit

im short of guaranteed

depends if we get any teasers for 1.1 or not since i need to save for rossi

[dense plank]

oh its super low for skill stat

[dry mason]

I miss pressed alt tab and

[oblique galleon]

Do we have a guide for all defences? I need to smoothbrain today

I say all defences but I only really need wuling's

[drifting quest]

Kyostinv

Arknights ambassador

[oblique galleon]

My goat

[outer ermine]

just babysit the manual so u get more towers on auto first try

[drifting quest]

I failed like twice in total

When i overestimated a tower that couldnt handle the enemy count

[warm dawn]

How to manage sandleaf

[tight haven]

i didnt do any of them until i got to wuling

[warm dawn]

Because holy shit

[drifting quest]

Infinite printer

[tight haven]

shredder = 3 powder

[warm dawn]

I thought it'll be endless but somehow I burn all of it

[tight haven]

one for each output

what

how

[warm dawn]

Idfk

I have like 8k

[outer ermine]

[tight haven]

screenshot your aic report in #aic-factory

[drifting quest]

1 seeder turns 1 plant into 2 seeds
Feed 1 seed into a planter to make a flower that goes back into the seeder
Feed the other into a planter that then goes off to whatever you want to use it for

[outer ermine]

just send here its ded anyway trust its tc

[drifting quest]

Infinite sandleaf

[warm dawn]

My aic is lil bit messy tho

[tight haven]

but i saved my tower defenses for wuling bc wuling unlocks the insane towers

like just straight-up 0 effort game winners

[drifting quest]

I did all my defenses today lmao

Aurylene grind tomorrow probably then chests at the weekend

[tight haven]

oh dude the aurylene grind in wuling city is something else

so many invisible aurylenes

[drifting quest]

Then im pretty much done with 1.0 till events drop

Maybe some side quests but I did a lot

[whole cipher]

should I be using the same kit for Laevatein's build?

[tight haven]

ive mentally mapped which areas ive cleaned out

but man.

[outer ermine]

im still setting up a meat route

[tight haven]

which kit?

[whole cipher]

The uh,, fire kit

[tight haven]

hot work?

[whole cipher]

The numbers tell me I should focus on her int.

[outer ermine]

can we put towers on those spawn points and just auto get the shit

[whole cipher]

Yeaah

[tight haven]

most people are running hot work gloves + hot work bskill dmg trinkets

then tide fall armor

[outer ermine]

maybe on the farther ones

[whole cipher]

so, 2 hot work bskill?

[tight haven]

oh yeah meat farming is a thing

fuuuuck

i actually should do that cuz ginseng stew is crazy

[tight haven]

yea

[drifting quest]

reminder for me to go collect my ginsengs

[outer ermine]

finished all my wuling plant crafts so been running full ginseng now

[drifting quest]

i should make more plots too

[midnight stirrup]

Oh didnt know ty

[valid zealot]

Why do we have to grow these manually.

[tight haven]

be sure to use the int-str gloves

[drifting quest]

food would be to good i guess

[tight haven]

its just bc the food they make is nuts yeah

[valid zealot]

Gated by whether the player gives a fuck.

Very nice.

[whole cipher]

Thnx.. should I gear Wulfgard or Gibrelta first?

[drifting quest]

i need to go find the er food as well

for ake wulf ard

[tight haven]

gilb

oh

what

why are you using gilb

for laev

[whole cipher]

Grouping up together

[tight haven]

mmm.

[whole cipher]

Ik most would opt for lizard boy

[tight haven]

i guess its worth a try

no i mean ard is right there

[whole cipher]

but it's more efficient when handling groups since they always are so far away together.

[tight haven]

she opens up really comfy rotations with laev

cuz she applies corrode

gilb needs to consume a heat infliction to apply corrode

[valid zealot]

Would be a lot less annoying if the 3 bots tailing my ass were any brighter.

[tight haven]

or alternatively have her nature inflcition consumed along with a heat infliction to apply combust

have you found a rotation that works around this?

[whole cipher]

Well, not really using them for corode. Also, for some weird reason I used lizard guy first and laev would onyl do the jumping dive once.

[outer ermine]

[whole cipher]

But with Gilb she does it 3 times i na row.

She spams the jumping dive final

[outer ermine]

i just skip a plot instead of going directly to the next one

[tight haven]

if you've found a decent rotation ig i cant say much

[outer ermine]

or theyll just stand there

[tight haven]

i certainly havent screwed around with gilb yet

you should probably build gilb first

[drifting quest]

i just want 1.1 drip so i can see if i have the leniency to go for gilb

[whole cipher]

I get I'm losing out on damage or healing, but I find it just so annoying when enemies spread out

[tight haven]

tangtang is confirmed right

im 99% sure its gna be tangtang mifu fangyi

with fangyi being the fuck-you-pull-for-me game-changing dps

[whole cipher]

and I already completed most of the story so bosses and single opponents aren't too common lest ihunt them down

[drifting quest]

mi fu and fangyi are together since they're both electric

rossi and the one girl that hasnt been in story yet are probably together

aradashir (assuming its him) and tangtang then pair i guess

if its 2/2/2

if its 3/3 then tangtang goes with the electric duo i guess and then we get a weird 1.2 hybrid

[tight haven]

nah it wont be ardashir

[valid zealot]

What are ginsengs for again

[tight haven]

we JUST got introduced to him as a big bad i would be very surprised if they wrote in him joining us all of a sudden

[tight haven]

atk+180 cc+11%

need 8 each along with 8 meat/fillet

[drifting quest]

isnt the silhouette like 1:1 though

[tight haven]

nope

the dude is a sankta

[shut cobalt]

it says if its not fully artificed, but that means just the ultimate gain part or the stats too?

[valid zealot]

Is there meat farm.

[tight haven]

not that i know of, i just run across the hub shooting hyenas

[mystic halo]

only charge rate

other stats have no bearing on ult gain

[shut cobalt]

got it, thanks

[drifting quest]

we dont know its definitely a sankta halo do we

[tight haven]

ok this set looks REALLY funny

[tight haven]

i would be surprised if it was anything but

[shut cobalt]

wait, one more thing, after i get the ult gain part maxed, is it better to go for a 3 stat orb or continue getting the dmg artifices?

[drifting quest]

i mean yeah probably

[tight haven]

it just really really looks like one

if it was ardashir somehow i'd like

well

[mystic halo]

preference

[tight haven]

i'd be down another 1k because hes absolutely being p5'd

[valid zealot]

Je vois.

[tight haven]

but i'd also be shocked

[shut cobalt]

alr, thanks

[drifting quest]

i have no intentions of whaling so im stuck saving till i know when rossi is

[tight haven]

id go for the essence

you CAN make enough in a week to buy 12 essence tickets and 40 artifice cores

so its not as if youre being forced to choose

essences consume sanity and artifices do not after all

[shut cobalt]

makes sense, thanks!

[outer ermine]

lucky lr essence farm is in valley

[tight haven]

i have a text doc out of the best essences for each sig/bis so i dont accidentally feed one

[drifting quest]

i just send it

if i deleted a good one oh well

[vital willow]

can you share it?

[tight haven]

when im at my pc ill tag you

[vital willow]

tysm

wait so each different essance can get different rolls or what is it dependant on?

[outer ermine]

cant u lock it

[vital willow]

trying to figure essences out

[drifting quest]

i dont have a 'good' second team lined up, no pog no gilberta

if pull income is good enough and elec premium comes next patch and rossi is 1.3 then maybe id go in on that but 360 pulls is a lot

so no need for essences

[cunning lion]

Does arts intensity do anything for phys and if not why’s it on a phys set

[drifting quest]

it does stuff

[mystic halo]

open stat page

click question mark next to intensity

read

[drifting quest]

too much to ask

[midnight stirrup]

Keep in mind that the UI is overwhelming for a lot of people who arent familiar with stuff like this

Its not surprising a lot of people have questions around it

[cunning lion]

My fault for not realizing lift counted as a status effect 🗿 most gachas I’ve run don’t give phys multipliers like that

[drifting quest]

is the ui even that bad

ive had no issues

[midnight stirrup]

Its not about whether its good or bad

Its about it being peoples first gacha

[drifting quest]

the % of people doing endfield as their first gacha is probably lower than you'd think

[midnight stirrup]

Doesnt mean they cant be one

[cunning lion]

Woah woah woah it ain’t my first 😭 it’s just phys units and effects usually get sidelined

[drifting quest]

certainly but like most are not new

its either the hoyo/wuwa > endfield pipeline or the arknights > arknights endfield pipeline

[midnight stirrup]

You still wanna hold an attitude thats helpful tho, in case you do encounter one

Or dont be in a help channel

[outer ermine]

this is tc

[drifting quest]

yeah

[midnight stirrup]

And?

[drifting quest]

entering a tc channel assumes a relevant minimum of knowledge

the help channel exists

tc isnt a help channel after all

[mystic halo]

dude it's so much better just saying look pins

[cunning lion]

Minimum of knowledge would be team comp building and skills basic effects, people generally go to TC to either learn about or discuss multipliers

[midnight stirrup]

Regardless, its not an excuse to be petty

[mystic halo]

thank god some other sucker did the work

[midnight stirrup]

People overlook things

Just be nice about it

[drifting quest]

Ill probably write a faq

Effort now to be lazy in future

Can channel my tism for a couple hours

[midnight stirrup]

Thanks for the hard work

[cunning lion]

Ty for the assistance all three of yall tho^ doing my reading once im free

[slate tartan]

I got myself the multiplier for enemy defense D, crush damage multiplier depending on stack and other stuff.

https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/1nxfZAGx3IZamJw7JY_2yb6RnJyWkrVQTdKYwIWyDL3Q/edit?usp=sharing

If anyone interested to find the multiplier and formula of some game effects such has every rank C, B, A defense multiplier and arts infliction mutliplier, ping me

[thorn ibex]

the wording on a few of these are quite confusing but this is amazing
i wanna ask how do you get these numbers?

or is this just ingame testing

also can you test with other characters to see i def mult is consistent?

[slate tartan]

In game, as you can see on top, I wrote my char's stats.

And used my skill on each enemy with defense D in physical

The damage of my endministrator skill is the same on every defense D mobs

[thorn ibex]

is there a char of what enemy is weak/strong to what?

does wiki have that?

[slate tartan]

There is in game codex of enemies and details of their defense rank

Most trash mobs are defense D in physical

[thorn ibex]

from what i can see, if an enemy is weak to something it's type D, neutral is type C, resist is type B and badly resist is type A
so for calcs assuming type C is probably good?

do you have definite mult for it?

[slate tartan]

And the skill damage is pretty consistent on all of them.

I conjecture myself this following formula :

Actual Damage = ATK * SkillMultiplier * EnemyDenseMultiplier.

I got actual datas for :
-Actual Damage
-ATK
-SkillMultiplier

Then I could calculate the Enemy DefenseMultiplier

And for Rank D for physical at least, it's 50.2%

So your damage is halved when hitting trash mobs lol

[thorn ibex]

wait how is it halves when it's suppsoed to be weak to it lmfao

even in other games most enemies is like 10% or 30% at most

does level diff also play a role too?

[slate tartan]

Loooool, maybe rank C or higher it's like doing only 5% of your damage

[slate tartan]

I haven't tested that

[thorn ibex]

can you test actually?

triag is type C

wait i have not seen a rank B at all

it's all C or D

[cunning lion]

By the way in regards to ember; since her attacks are slow would there be more value in stacking ult charge speed over phys substats? Specifically for optimizing her dmg potential on a team

[slate tartan]

Ofc!

I only need the damage that my skill inflict on this mob then refer to this formula :

EnemyDefenseMultiplier = ActualDamage / (ATK*SkillMultiplier)

[thorn ibex]

if u unloked triag it should be the most ideal testing ground because set pattern

rodagn is type D all round

[slate tartan]

Ideal

[real scaffold]

question about essences/etching..

when looking for essences, are you basically looking for a twilight +3? or how do you get twilight 9/9? seems like etching only gets it to 6/6 on the +1/+1/+1 intellect, atk, twilight one i have
also do etches carry over, so like if i etch a non-perfect essence's twilight to +2, and then i get a better essence later, can i etch the +2 over to the +1 to get +3 or its always only +1 each time

[thorn ibex]

i think if u can get out good pattern

the only thing that's holding me back is def res

[slate tartan]

My yi sang ahhhhh pm sleeper agent gene just got awoken

[thorn ibex]

[ocean zenith]

Hi idk- I’ve been using jump attack cancels but dont see it being talked abt — seems useful when you want pure damage
https://medal.tv/games/arknights-endfield/clips/m0MWSEiCKwMGuv-O6?invite=cr-MSxPWTIsMzA5MjQ2Mjk2&v=26

[thorn ibex]

1. you can't build up to the final attack with plunges
2. too much time you can't dodge stuck being in animation

stagger is +30% dmg

[ocean zenith]

Yes ive stated my reasons, its when you dont need to build stagger
And 2 i do it really quickly as per video — so i can cut out the animation itself

Its for cycling i know about final attack

[thorn ibex]

when do you ever not want to build stagger tho

[tight haven]

@vital willow

[thorn ibex]

nah i dont mean that, just skeptical lol

[outer ermine]

its more of a filler after ur ba chain

[ocean zenith]

Its not like you will use the jump attack all the time, its for Jump attack + Skill then continue your AA afterwards
Since jump attack damage is very high?
And when enemy is staggered, Jump attack damage is much bigger than going full left click while theyre staggered

Im talking about it as a tech ig, since theres basically no animation since you cut in half as per the first video i sent ig

[thorn ibex]

oh so like doing plunge spam when the enemy is staggered?

i can see that being great yea

tho isnt a few chars require the finisher for them to proc combo?

[ocean zenith]

Or in cases where u dont need to stagger if theyre going to die soon ig

Yeh thats also true, cant use this on most chars

[tender zephyr]

Do we have spreadsheet people here now

[thorn ibex]

trying to

there are still too many variables since no info regarding specific dmg formula

[dire wind]

speadsheet for what

[real mist]

dmg formula

[dire wind]

yes

[thorn ibex]

O.O

[ocean zenith]

Even KR/CN people dont have it yet? or at least when i went digging

[real mist]

the only thing I've seen was in reddit and I think it was "assumed" testing so idk

[dire wind]

dm

[real mist]

also atk % buffs are kinda wacky right? considering were getting like 200% + atk on main attributes alone

[dire wind]

pretty sure its all in the doc i sent, i made a calculator for it as well thats been accurate from testing i can send that if you want

[thorn ibex]

can i have it?

[vital willow]

sorry for late reply but tysm

[real mist]

so from your testing, which buffs/debuffs are way valuable than the others? I assume it's the crit if we ever had a better gear/ unit that can normally hit 90%~?

[drifting quest]

external attack buffs are pretty good
suscept obviously
dmg% is mostly saturated right now

[ocean zenith]

Can we see a link?

[drifting quest]

the rest are niche and limited in sources really

stuff like amp

[sterile herald]

has anyone figured out if tide fall or lynx slab is a better offpiece for laevatain

[vital willow]

is external the +atk% (not same as int stat for example ons laev)?

[real mist]

external attack buffs? wait they are multiplicative to the attribute bonus atk buffs?

[drifting quest]

lynx slab scales better with artificing in content that's generally shorter
tide fall is a ways ahead with no artificing
redeemer seal build is an option with full artificed setup but remains to be seem

attribute bonus atk% is not in the same part of the calc as external atk buffs

[vital willow]

wait it is like that???

[drifting quest]

its what makes flat and atk% so good

[real mist]

is multiplicative to your total atk stat, or it's the total base atk?

[sterile herald]

whats the redeemer seal setup?

[drifting quest]

2 seal, xiranite gloves, tide chest
at max artificing it hits ~208% ult gain % which gives you 1 ult every rot

[sterile herald]

oh damn

[drifting quest]

its prohibitively expensive to the point that few if any people even have the build right now and it remains to be seen if the build is actually good

[sterile herald]

makes sense

probably loses a decent bit of damage

but that uptime tho

[drifting quest]

so its best to just stockpile stock bills and components, buy the materials used to artifice and wait for umbral monument

dont artifice anything, run tide chest build for now

[sterile herald]

guess ill have to stick with tide fall for now and wait

sounds good

is umbral monument releasing new sets? or is that just the mode people will be testing on

[drifting quest]

the latter

[sterile herald]

word.

[drifting quest]

we dont know if it'll be changed since cbt but its the closest to a traditional endgame mode

since endgame right now is trimmed recrisis which plays fundamentally differently

[real mist]

oh there's a maintenance later

[tight haven]

it was clearable with literally solo catcher

so like

[drifting quest]

it was a joke yes

[tight haven]

dont expect too much

[drifting quest]

10m time, trimmed medal is just clear it

the medal hasnt changed either so its not promising

[tight haven]

the rewards were the real issue

[sterile herald]

gotcha

[tight haven]

they were a joke in beta

[sterile herald]

well fingers crossed

[tight haven]

like not even 100 sanity's worth of rewards

[thorn ibex]

def shred would be so broken in this game

C rank enemies having 50.2% dmg reduction is insane

[tight haven]

yeah the moment we get a def shred support its gonna be insane

[sterile herald]

how does corrosion differ from def shred?

is corrosion only for elemental resistance

[tight haven]

unsure

[sterile herald]

hm

[drifting quest]

corrosion reduces the enemies resistance

[sterile herald]

resistance =/= defense?

[tight haven]

yep

[real mist]

why is MI security is considered a bad gear even though it can give 25% atk ? is it because there's no other unit that can utilize it yet?

[tight haven]

def is its own stat

[sterile herald]

gotcha

[tight haven]

yvonne uses it

thats literally it

[thorn ibex]

yep

[tight haven]

yvonnes the only op who can use cc effectively

[drifting quest]

if you take your finger off the m1 button you lose it's bonus

its so bad

i dont think its even yvonnes best set

[tight haven]

what are people testing besides it

[drifting quest]

too many bosses right now have invuln phases, phase changes, etc

[drifting quest]

there's like 3 options

none are great

[tight haven]

yeah yvonne sucks for that

yvonne overall is just.

oh boy.

nice for damage per screenshot i guess

[soft canyon]

what are the stats if u get full Potential on laevatain wanna know if it is worth it

[thorn ibex]

wait EACH STACK IS SEPERATE??
so like
wtf

i thought if u have max stack it just refresh if u get more stacks

[drifting quest]

you gain 1 stack at a time

[tight haven]

none of her potentials are "worth it" over getting a new op

[drifting quest]

but you lose all stacks at once

[real mist]

also what you think of ultimate effeciency over dmg % buff considering dmg % are over saturated? is it like recommended to alot of units even dps or still situational

[thorn ibex]

[tight haven]

there is currently no potential that is "worth it" more than a new op

[drifting quest]

at p5 vs p0 you get about 30-40% more total damage

p1 is like 2% increase

[thorn ibex]

wait so

[tight haven]

yeah its not the biggest

[drifting quest]

potentials are not worth it

[soft canyon]

alr thx

[sterile herald]

potentials are weak in this game but i kinda want her p1 just for more screenshot damage :P

[tight haven]

pots are only 4fun

[tight haven]

her p1 isnt very good

it just reads like it is

[thorn ibex]

if u have 5 stacks, it will only be gone if you literally dont attack for 5s, or will all 5 stacks be gone in 1s?

[warm dawn]

So how much originium I can get per patch

[real mist]

like is 17% ultimate efficiency better for avywenna than combo dmg %?

[sterile herald]

is it not a straight up 20% damage increase on the skill?

and a little sp refund?

[tight haven]

ult% might be better for yvonne specifically because she does barely any damage outside of ult

and shes not very good at quickly generating ult

and we dont have a cryo vanguard

well. you can use akekuri with yvonne

[thorn ibex]

i love newgame TC
feelscrafting galore

[tight haven]

it is, but per rotation this doesnt make up a huge amount of your damage

[sterile herald]

buh buh

[tight haven]

im just saying it's not a 10% dpr increase or anything, not that it isnt a dpr increase

[sterile herald]

muh screenshot

yeah makes sense

muh screenshot doe

[drifting quest]

just foodmax

[sterile herald]

food 💀

im over here snorting yahzen powder

[thorn ibex]

oh yea that 1.2x multiplier increase is not dmg%

[real mist]

for art reaction?

[real mist]

why you need cryo vanguard specifically for avywenna.

arclight is also a vanguard no?

[tight haven]

yeah

[tight haven]

wait what why are we talking abt avy

i was talking abt yvonne

[real mist]

oh shiet

I forgot to mention I was asking about avywenna

[tight haven]

oh yeah nah i got zero experience with electro

i enjoyed playing avy in beta but never heavily invested

[real mist]

it's the same loop no? having art reaction is still pretty big dps?

[soft canyon]

what is the different between combo skill and battel skill ?

[thorn ibex]

wait why are you guys downplaying the p1 laev again?
isnt all of her dmg basically skill dmg?
outside or inside of burst

unless i cant read

[warm dawn]

I still don't get how last rite skill

[real mist]

combo skill is the "E" while those battle skill are those 1,2,3,4 part

[thorn ibex]

combo skill is the QTE that pops up, battle skill is using SP

[tight haven]

not downplaying it just saying p1 isnt huge

[soft canyon]

ah kk thx i was compering the hot work pyrometer with the Type 50 yinglung knife

[warm dawn]

I definitely need to trigger both xalhi and perlica before last rite doing her last atk right?

[thorn ibex]

but like isnt her skill dmg basically 70-80% of her dmg? or am i missing sth here

[tight haven]

from memory it was a less than 10% dpr increase assuming hot work + tide fall

[tight haven]

yeah but the boost itself isnt large

its only for the additional atk hit

[lime bear]

https://youtu.be/U0TmOGWU2Ms interesting

[thorn ibex]

ouh

[lime bear]

is lynx better in endgame cuz your int is higher

[thorn ibex]

not pokke again bruh

[lime bear]

with +9 int essence and stuff

[tight haven]

i think lynx slab is worth considering seriously at p4+

maybe. idk. thats like the feel i get

before that i think it just slows down rots too much

[lime bear]

he actually gives both good arguments and I like it towards the end, not just to reinforce his beliefs lmao

[drifting quest]

it scales higher by a decent chunk damage wise compared to tide once you max out artificing but thats maxing out artificing

[tight haven]

serious theorycrafting is getting hard gated by fucking wuling stock bills rn

[drifting quest]

real

[tight haven]

💔

[thorn ibex]

absolute cinema

[drifting quest]

tangtang needs to get richer

[lime bear]

yep cuz of that 20% main attribute sccaling right

[tight haven]

yuh

plus you want your int from gear maxed too

[lime bear]

idt I can afford even emptying the 15 discounted weekly engraving rn

its better to priotize engraving first before artificing right

[drifting quest]

trying to artifice right now is just asking to waste mats

[tight haven]

yeah

[drifting quest]

max your essence

[lime bear]

okok

[drifting quest]

its far cheaper

[soft canyon]

what are Agility will and intellect really doing ?

[drifting quest]

and then just sit on artificing materials

[tight haven]

id just buy discounted tickets and discounted cores

thats it

[thorn ibex]

scaling

[tight haven]

in terms of

you can click on them and theyll tell you what they do

[lime bear]

emptied Eureka teabox for my trust buff lmfao

[drifting quest]

none of the 4 stats do anything (relevant) on their own
some abilities scale off them
every unit has a main and second attribute and gain atk based on their values

[tight haven]

lol fair

[drifting quest]

you get like a bit tankier

[lime bear]

gives significantly more compared to regular gifts

[drifting quest]

(it means nothing)

[thorn ibex]

it's a multiplier to your scaling

[tight haven]

basically, yeah

[drifting quest]

38 whole arts res for 600 int