theorycrafting

[gritty olive]

I still dont have tickets

[drifting quest]

afaik

so if you farm in valley 4 the best you can hit is int + twilight

[gritty olive]

But i dont have tickets so i cant get engravement

[fickle turret]

Just hoped some 4-star characters were better as their designs are so nice. I thought in a pve game balance can be explored a little more freely. But they also need to make money, so it makes sense.

[drifting quest]

welcome to endgame

[gritty olive]

We play waiting game

Ill just 90 surtr and her weap first

[drifting quest]

cbt akekuri did irreprable damage to 4* power levels

[gritty olive]

Before doing essence farms

Anyways shuo which surtr teams would you want me to test

I might be able to do like four max ig

[heavy fossil]

in ef the 4 stars are decent, not completely useless (besides maybe catcher idk). But yeah mostly just gotta wait and see what happens in the future

[fickle turret]

oh, was she so strong before?

[drifting quest]

quite

[exotic burrow]

i have that but without twilight. screw this infinite grinding. i had enough of it in hsr

[summer flower]

I think its gonna be similar to AK

Like so far

[fickle turret]

catcher is one of the chars o wanted to build… haha. I know he is bad though… I guess at least ember is worse

[drifting quest]

probably like
laev wulf ake ard
laev wulf antal ard
laev wulf antal gilb
laev wulf ake antal

[summer flower]

I would say progression of single character/team is faster than orginal

So then its get new ones and build them as well

[heavy fossil]

idk how much damage really matters in endfield. I’ll still use ember every day and I won’t let anyone stop me

[drifting quest]

i mean yeah 1/3rd the units is naturally cheaper

[gritty olive]

Give me 3 days after i finish figuring out energy, stagger, and arts infliction damage

[drifting quest]

given it doesnt look like umbral monument got changed at all, not really at all

[summer flower]

Ember? She good?

[drifting quest]

no

[summer flower]

Tried slapping crit gear on her?

[drifting quest]

clueless

crit gear

[heavy fossil]

yeah I hope they let people experiment more with team comps and characters even if they aren’t top tier

[fickle turret]

That means I can build catcher as well… But yeah, that’s what I thought. That atm you don’t need hyper optimized teams. Probably in future modes though. But one can have a fun team.

[final fossil]

did po1 ancient canal beat po1 sundered prince on dapan?

[gritty olive]

Units one year from now: 100 cr, 300 cd

[heavy fossil]

pls no 😭

[exotic burrow]

we will see. i sure hope i wont need to farm cr and cd in this game as well

[drifting quest]

you dont

crit is objectively bad to invest into right now

[exotic burrow]

SO FAR

[drifting quest]

even for yvonne who is the only unit in the game with in kit crit

investing in crit is not really all that

[heavy fossil]

that’s what I worry about, with future modes… but at least we always got factory (which is what will keep me in the long run)

[outer ermine]

anyone got a meat route

[drifting quest]

the (one) crit gear set is just bad

[gritty olive]

im manifesting it

[summer flower]

I Heard crit is bad

[gritty olive]

you dont like M1?

[summer flower]

For everyone but yvonne

But crit gear is dmg for everyone

Electric gear only works for specific

Same with heat

[drifting quest]

i sure do love losing all stacks because of boss attack sequences, invuln phases, boss deciding to leave to france, mistiming dodges, etc etc

[fickle turret]

As I said, i don’t have much experience. Is it common for new pve modes to require new characters? Is there significant power creep in pve gachas?

[gritty olive]

[drifting quest]

i sure do love taking my finger off the m1 button gutting my dpr

[gritty olive]

the fomo involves biweekly rotating endgamemodes gating pull currency

[heavy fossil]

heavily depends on the gacha :/

[gritty olive]

or two weeks rotating if you dont know biweekly at all

[drifting quest]

in other arpg gachas: yes

will endfield likely suffer the same issues: also yes

will it happen any time soon:hopefully not

[summer flower]

Ehhh? Orginal arknights was like you could use 3stars and 4stars to win

[gritty olive]

this isnt Og AK

[drifting quest]

dont try compare endfield to og arknights

[summer flower]

Pretty sure here its same

[outer ermine]

not the same type of game lil bro

[drifting quest]

they're entirely different games

[heavy fossil]

at least in pgr I don’t have to stress about getting new units. I’d prob hate hsr lol

[drifting quest]

and even in arknights 3/4* teams struggle way more in new content

[gritty olive]

lets wait for some time to address stuff

[real mist]

I mean we don't have combat endgame right now, but yes it is common.

[lime bear]

what essence engraving for my Laevatain chat

[summer flower]

There is whole YT series for beating with those

[gritty olive]

https://youtu.be/L3uIHRJkaz0

[lime bear]

I'm really confused lmao

[exotic burrow]

depends on the new content. ato definitely does not fit this rule

[fickle turret]

hmm i see, so we need to wait to see if the game is playable more casual down the line I guess?

[gritty olive]

proof of concept doesnt translate to viability tbf

[exotic burrow]

and that boss in ato, it is worse than jesselton :D

[summer flower]

Man, people where getting to wuling with blue gear

[gritty olive]

uses lameraqaline for damage

[summer flower]

Probably someone did gry there without gear

[drifting quest]

note how main cc's like silvergun who do 4* only have posted less frequently over time

[exotic burrow]

i did that. too expensive for other gear

just put in lvl 28 and done

[drifting quest]

and how cc clears slowly reduce in points scored for low end

per cc

[heavy fossil]

yeah, things can change down the line and games can gradually ramp up the power creep. In the case of ef, we don’t actually know the endgame modes or how they function, which is a big source of power creep mechanics

[summer flower]

I bet there is at least single player

Who didnt make gear

[drifting quest]

something something back in my day 3/4* could risk 18

[summer flower]

And still got to wuling

[drifting quest]

yeah you dont need gear for story

[gritty olive]

iirc wuling one. ive been told to get int + atk% + twilight

trio is only avaulable jn wukinh onr

[exotic burrow]

i see no issues with that, it just takes so long to fight bosses cos i forced myself not to overlevel

[drifting quest]

i did most of story with units at l40, l1 weapons

[summer flower]

Story battles don't have time limit

If you got healer you probably fine without much of dmg

[drifting quest]

just dodge

game rewards you for dodging

[gritty olive]

.dodge

[tranquil burrow]

https://media.discordapp.net/attachments/956086672418832394/1389988393584169080/GutRVqkaYAAwF2Y.png?ex=68669f11&is=68654d91&hm=96a2cc3db4881912549247e56fb82521d55416007562c05176c2f89248aa1686&=&format=webp&quality=lossless&width=618&height=795

[drifting quest]

15 rhodan loops
15 dorito loops
15 statue loops

[lime bear]

or just around and stall

[drifting quest]

still fail to dodge trash in overworld

the experience

[lime bear]

no need to rush

that's what I did before

[drifting quest]

its the wuling elites at the end of the essence farm

i never learned their attack pattern for

[lime bear]

was crazy enough to rush the final boss Valley IV with basically no heals and only blue gears for my Laevatain lmfao

[drifting quest]

get hit usually once a fight

[exotic burrow]

i lost the farming stages several times due to time limit :D was waaaay too low level for those

[lime bear]

cuz I wasn't making any heals before Buck A

and Sandleaf locked in final subregion smfh

[real mist]

it is easy when they are only one but godam two of them is annoying

[gritty olive]

i just realized i need to take track of a lot of conditionals

[gritty olive]

what does antal and gib do to help her, combo wise, etc

[fickle turret]

Well, it seems to be the case that it’s going to take a bit of time (years?) to be significant.

[drifting quest]

gib is gameplay caveat with the nature stack to get the 33% suscept and one tap

[gritty olive]

mr 12f i chcked that he gives vuln

[drifting quest]

antal is just multiple sgt buffs

[summer flower]

That's not questline

[gritty olive]

what should be the baseline team

[summer flower]

Also you can beat lv80 with lv60 team

Sometimes

[gritty olive]

oh i should make icons

[summer flower]

Depends on stage

[exotic burrow]

i did say what mode it was lmao

[gritty olive]

[summer flower]

Works everytime 75% of time

[heavy fossil]

it’s on a case by case basis. Possible in a year’s time but we’ll prob get a better idea within the next few patches

[fickle turret]

But then one still pulls for new characters, so better build your fun team now and experiment before you need to focus on power creep chars. Good thing I am addicted to the game right now, haha

I just hope it’s possible to build characters and teams fairly quick down the line. So it will be possible to adjust to power creep without spending monies

[heavy fossil]

honestly if the game gets annoying power creep i’m just gonna quit anyways, nothing is holding me to this game. If there are other games that respect my time more then I have no issue dropping this one (or any gacha really).

but overall it’s been fun, genuinely find endfield gameplay actually engaging

Personally i’m coming off of quitting most gachas now so Im not the best example of someone who’s really into gachas

[fickle turret]

sure, but yeah this one of the few gachas that I didn’t quit a few days after starting and got me really hooked.

so it would be a shame if it becomes unfun

[exotic burrow]

i am personally enjoying endfield so far but the grind is crazy. and i cant auromate it with i button click like i do in AK

[gritty olive]

this game is supposed to be a main game

[heavy fossil]

I played wuwa and now I don’t like it lol

[heavy fossil]

fr I hate this

[fickle turret]

same

[gritty olive]

like how i treat genshin since it has materials gated by exploration

[exotic burrow]

the issue is that ak also feels like the main game. this is not r1999 where you login and leave after 5 min

[gritty olive]

why are we talking about powercreep hypotheticals in #tc

[heavy fossil]

I hate “main games”, just let me play when I want

[exotic burrow]

even hsr didnt feel like the main game tbh

[heavy fossil]

theorycrafting lol

[gritty olive]

hsr is a sidegame

[exotic burrow]

fair enough, you know more about these considering how many gachas you play bro

[heavy fossil]

I assure you power creep IS an advanced gameplay mechanic worthy of number crunching lol

[fickle turret]

I can’t even, where do one get the time.

[gritty olive]

lets just go back at feelscrafting with damage

[heavy fossil]

I ask the same questions

ig most just log in for dailies

and then don’t play other non gachas much

[drifting quest]

most ive ever played at once was like 5 and thats when i had nothing to do otherwise
now i have 3 but 2/3 are afk dailies, play content once every few weeks normally

[heavy fossil]

most I did was prob 3, but now two feels pretty stressful already

[drifting quest]

og arknights, limbus and now endfield
used to play the hoyo lineup, wuwa, r1999 but havent touched any of them in months or year(s) now

[fickle turret]

i get that, at some point you just need 10-15 minutes per game, unless a new event or so pop ups, or you need to climb pvp. But still… I have other games to play as well

[gritty olive]

arknights still has IS6 ed235 d18 for me to wait

https://tenor.com/view/clash-royale-clash-golem-sneaky-golem-sneaky-golem-in-the-pocket-gif-2425767250376705080

[drifting quest]

i really didnt enjoy is6, hoping dlc1 does a good job unbricking it

[heavy fossil]

for me mostly just pgr. Respects my time and fun game

[drifting quest]

i did d18, all 3 endings though

[gritty olive]

dlc0 is harder

[heavy fossil]

also when I played more gacha there was no time for other games

[drifting quest]

yeah dlc1 has the qol

[gritty olive]

ed4 also is free scout nodes, so ed3 is harder

[lime bear]

whats the best d96 source again? is it deep dive boss or just the protocol space?

[drifting quest]

oh right we dont have ed4 yet

[sly nymph]

where is recipe for this shit
i did some quests but didn't find it

[drifting quest]

idk why i default assumed

ed3 was easier than ed2 for me

i kept losing my mind at remnant maps

[gritty olive]

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/1099414735193129030/1436236987592871936/IMG_6136.gif

[drifting quest]

just place down blockers

clueless

[exotic burrow]

has anyone beat max difficulty stage without going infinite hp yet?

[gritty olive]

peak #theorycrafting since #endfield #off-topic are img banned

.gethisass

[tranquil burrow]

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/956086699983769600/1434277626914017310/Get_his_ass.gif?ex=6907bea1&is=69066d21&hm=bd40aabb5a87693f5187ff200edd75fe42ea895c26dcbf88ce2671422e4e2ed6

[fickle turret]

I cannot unsee it, but I thought she looked so badass. Those pants, those heels, …

[gritty olive]

ill let you know if the is6 channel im visiting finds one

[exotic burrow]

lmaaaao

[gritty olive]

t3 amiya egg on steroids. imagine myrtle getting a resurgence due to -50% dp gen

[drifting quest]

i havent watched the hard mode ed5 yet

i only watched default day 1

[gritty olive]

im actually interested on guobad calcs

[supple oracle]

she is tho. she's by far my 2nd favorite character in endfield and my most anticipated character

[gritty olive]

quite excited for newgens to treat suiblings like archons in genshin

funny to see theyre a speck to other stuff

[drifting quest]

im curious on how much powerscaling we'll get

some of the stuff already in endfield story is a ways ahead of the average stuff from og arknights

[heavy fossil]

is zhuang fangyi really sui though?

[drifting quest]

no

[gritty olive]

no

im anticipating one dropping by

[drifting quest]

there's potentially a sui sibling on talos II

[gritty olive]

[drifting quest]

but its probably likely that shu gave her stick to the pioneers

[heavy fossil]

how did one acquire this knowledge

[drifting quest]

and thats where xiranite comes from

[proper bloom]

do endfield have deminishing return things?

[drifting quest]

xiranite is powered by sui

[heavy fossil]

ah ok

[gritty olive]

everything will always have relative diminishing returns towards stats

it doesnt have the true diminsihing returns like EM in genshin where the curve slumps

[drifting quest]

the more you get of one type of thing the more diminished or diluted future amounts of it

relative to prior amounts

[proper bloom]

i see.... do you know the ideal stat so we wont get it?

[drifting quest]

atk%

[proper bloom]

ya right

[proper bloom]

how much is it?

[drifting quest]

there's so few sources of flat atk and atk% that they do kind of insane numbers for buffing

[drifting quest]

depends how much you have versus how much you're getting

e.g. 0 > 10% dmg% is pretty good
but 150 > 160% is less good relative to how much increased

[gritty olive]

if you have 1000 usd and i gace you 1000 usd you just got doubled money

if you were a millionare and i still gave you 1000 usd, you just got 0.1% ricger

it feels like chump change

amd even then if you get a lot of dmg% and atk%, marginal increases to both dont result to anything significant

but lets focus that matter in a later time

[summer flower]

You sure?

Isn't it like main/sec stats giving attack?

[drifting quest]

yes

[gritty olive]

as of now atk% buff from weapons as an attribute is a separate multiplier

[drifting quest]

that atk% doesnt count in the same part of calculations

[summer flower]

1/4 of all gear

[drifting quest]

its got its own place

[gritty olive]

forgeborn gives atk%. count it as a different atk buff for base attack

[drifting quest]

external atk% buffs from the likes of forgeborn, from thermite cutter, etc. are really potent because basically all the atk buffs are tied to main and secondary stats

[summer flower]

Okay, so i guess operator attack % is affecting operators base attack?

[gritty olive]

finalbase = (unitbase + wpbase)(1+wp%atk)

[summer flower]

Or what?

[dry mason]

[gritty olive]

finalatk = base*(1 +atk%) + flats

[summer flower]

Ohh yea unit base that what you mean? So its affecting unit base?

[drifting quest]

lucksackers smh

[gritty olive]

thank you

[summer flower]

Where crit goes into that?

[gritty olive]

the 39% atk buff is a buff to thebase attack

[drifting quest]

i pumped 15 into int yesterday and got +1

[gritty olive]

this is final base atk mult, not crit mult

[summer flower]

I'm asking where does it land, expecting to be applied after what you have shown

[drifting quest]

crit is basically applied at the very end

[gritty olive]

multiplied with everything else as a separe multiplier

[summer flower]

At very end? Pre dmg reduction or post dmg reduction?

[drifting quest]

i say basically because it all happens at the same time

[gritty olive]

damage = atkmult * critmult *dmgred * dmgvuln * dmg%allies * resmult * defmult *staggermult

[gritty olive]

amongst other things

[drifting quest]

flat damage reductions are after, multiplicative ones are at the same time

[dry mason]

[drifting quest]

where hp

[gritty olive]

we need a screenshots channel not just gacha flex

[dry mason]

just farming ult energy to try to get medal

[gritty olive]

[dry mason]

the 2 mins medal

[summer flower]

That looks low

[oblique galleon]

Can you ss the orb? What's the line that boosts the weapon specific line skill?

[drifting quest]

twilight

int + atk% + twilight

is forgeborn essence

[oblique galleon]

Thx pepe

[drifting quest]

https://tenor.com/view/pepe-arknights-yapper-yapping-gif-7674988676973287170

[oblique galleon]

So what do my forgeborne dupes do exactly

Overcap blazing wall?

[gritty olive]

should be

havent found stuff regarding dupes

[storm oar]

???

how

what did it drop as

or rather what can it drop as

[ornate rapids]

What’s the best essence for Laevatain weapon?

[storm oar]

the ones that match her weapon

[dry kindle]

🗿

[oblique galleon]

People just cannot read the last message can they

[dry kindle]

Allow 9/9 yeah

[oblique galleon]

[storm oar]

can you max an essence that drops as +1+1+1

[dry kindle]

Yes

[storm oar]

Im a bit confused on that part

[ornate rapids]

which essence is this?

[dry mason]

[dry kindle]

I wonder

[oblique galleon]

Eventually, yes

[drifting quest]

int + atk% + twilight

[dry kindle]

[storm oar]

I massuming we dont have the rates

[dry mason]

farm the essence match with your weapon

[storm oar]

but is it worth levelling one that isnt all 3 stats

[dry mason]

no

[drifting quest]

you do not get a refund for it

[dry mason]

only levelup the 3 lines one

[storm oar]

yeah but the likeligood of all 3 is pretty fucking small isnt it

[drifting quest]

you just run that without upgrading it till a 3/3 drops

welcome to the grind

[dry kindle]

1/24 per drop

[storm oar]

Im ngl this grind kinda cheeks

[drifting quest]

its far easier to do than artificing

[dry kindle]

Unless youre a dumbass and not using vouchers

[drifting quest]

artificing is like x100 the time gate

unironically

[dry kindle]

Then you deserve the suffering

[storm oar]

Please tell me there isnt more to artificing than what it looks like

[dry kindle]

Its just waiting

[summer flower]

Ehh? How did you calc it doesnt sound correct

[drifting quest]

clueless

[storm oar]

Is it not one gear fed per level

[drifting quest]

clueless

try 40

[summer flower]

1/24?

[dry kindle]

38

[storm oar]

40 gear for ONE LEVEL?

[dry kindle]

Per attribute

[drifting quest]

isnt it per stat per gear

[oblique galleon]

Better than rolling 2 crit lines + upgrades on crit lines, stop crying about everything. Game needs some rng, and there literally is only one

[drifting quest]

yeah

[dry kindle]

3 stats

Tldr

You're dropping at most 23k comps per character

[storm oar]

?

[drifting quest]

23k is less than i thought

[ornate rapids]

What’s the best essence for Laevatain weapon?

[summer flower]

3stats

[storm oar]

You are a dramatic one arent you

[drifting quest]

i could afford that like now

[dry kindle]

Fucking guess

[summer flower]

How much its chance to get 3/3?

[drifting quest]

int + atk% + twilight

[dry kindle]

Catalysts and gear craft cost:

[summer flower]

Cause its def not 1/24

[drifting quest]

like 1/24 as said

[oblique galleon]

50%

[dry kindle]

Shut

[drifting quest]

i can afford the components, not the catalysts

not the stock bills either

[dry kindle]

Dont forget 8k per craft

[drifting quest]

im not artificing anyway till umbral monument drops

[ornate rapids]

idk

[dry kindle]

Kill me

[summer flower]

Ohh wait

[storm oar]

Which one gives more damage

[ornate rapids]

wuling one?

[storm oar]

artificing or essence maxing

[drifting quest]

wuling is the only one that can drop a 3/3

[summer flower]

You talking about dropping or upgrading?

[ornate rapids]

oh

[dry kindle]

Dropping

[drifting quest]

essence is a fraction of the cost and gives more upfront gain

[dry kindle]

They're not mutual so yeah

[ornate rapids]

should i use those vouchers for a perfect essence?

[summer flower]

Can you walk me thru in chance?

[dry kindle]

Wait how many tickets do you use per run

[storm oar]

You said its how many components per character?

[dry kindle]

Don't even try farming without them

[ornate rapids]

lmao what’s the best stats for laevatain essence

[drifting quest]

you pick 3 attributes, 1 effect
every drop has the effect, 1/3 chance for attribute
im assuming the middle line has 8 options so the chance of the 1/8 and the 1/3 is 1/24

[storm oar]

bro

Are you ragebaiting rn

[ornate rapids]

[drifting quest]

i thought that was a faust for a moment

[ornate rapids]

js tell me

[drifting quest]

scroll up idk

en reading comprehension

[oblique galleon]

Put him in the sarcophagus

[storm oar]

Forgeting scrolling up just read the weapon description

it literally tells you

[ornate rapids]

didn’t know

[drifting quest]

given the whole thing with ardelia vuln icon

[ornate rapids]

[drifting quest]

im not so sure icons are enough

the only answer to solve this problem is to hire people to travel to their home and play the game for them

[oblique galleon]

How much

[ornate rapids]

Intellect Attack boost and Twilight blazing wall

thx

[dry kindle]

[ornate rapids]

erm jus tell me which one should i select

[storm oar]

.

[drifting quest]

int twilight and any 2 other attributes

you dont want to hit the other attributes its just the cost to guarantee twilight

oh new bp weeklies

we can get crowns now

[dry kindle]

Wao

[summer flower]

?

Ohh BP okay

Different BP

[storm oar]

I was really annoyed to see that you cant use any of the valley iv tickets on Laev

[dry kindle]

Can't relate

[candid peak]

this game is an infinity loop

[drifting quest]

manufacture 1 item in dijiang (new)
defeat 30 enemies (new)
cast 15 ults (new)

3 energy alluvium runs
10 valley 4 aurylene
16 gear productions
10 valley 4 relay towers

the new bp missions

new ones arent retroactive

the rest you can just claim

[oblique galleon]

Profit

[ornate rapids]

Dna grind was worse than this

[storm oar]

Because DNA grind is taking after warfame

its not even a comparable genre

[drifting berry]

How comes Wulfgard highest skill priority is his basic attacks despite being a support? This is prydwen btw

[storm oar]

A: dont use Prydwen
B: He still attacks even when off field

[drifting quest]

because thats for mdps

[dry kindle]

a: its prydwen
b: its prydwen

[drifting quest]

reading the title explains the result

oh i didnt read

[storm oar]

speaking of reading

[drifting quest]

skill issue on my part

[drifting quest]

truly the most ironic of sequences

any reputation i had gone in seconds

[drifting quest]

the fraud

[dry mason]

Pot0

[storm oar]

i wonder how doable that is for the final story boss

at pot0

[drifting quest]

p0 can do it

[storm oar]

the king of stalling

[normal tangle]

ard slot 2 is bizarre

slot 2 is dedicated subdps slot

[storm oar]

wait no im thinking of the 2nd to last

[normal tangle]

ard goes in 4

[storm oar]

the 3 phase guy

[dry kindle]

another p0 laev rhodagn trim has hit the building

😔

[strong warren]

artificing priority for laev?

[drifting berry]

And does anyone know Wulfgard skill priority?

[drifting quest]

1. dont do it
2. dont do it
3. if you're really gonna do it then it depends on the build

[strong warren]

tidefall jacket

and like i'm kinda out of things to do

[drifting quest]

combo > ult >> skill >>> basic for high invest subdps
none of them for heat bot

[storm oar]

I do find basic on him helpful when hes off field, he does kinda be hitting

[strong warren]

do i artifice stats or the effect first

[storm oar]

and free damage is free damage

[drifting berry]

ty

[drifting quest]

heat bot is just better so

cinema

[storm oar]

You are a psycho for even looking at the artifice system

[strong warren]

what else do i do lol

[storm oar]

buy the other stock

theres 2 stocks no?

[drifting quest]

there's 3

permanent + 2 rotating

[strong warren]

shouldnt i just wait for next week

[drifting quest]

you should wait for umbral monument to drop to see what the final consensus on laev gear is

[storm oar]

you're gonna spend all your bills on artificing

and then find out its not the correct set

[drifting quest]

rather than artificing gear that might not perform as well

obviously if you dont care then pop off

[strong warren]

ok so just buy the catalysts and wait ig

[drifting quest]

yes

[strong warren]

idk if the 240k engrave tier is worth tbh

like i will get the essences eventually and after that they are useless

[strong warren]

is that the endgame of this game

[drifting quest]

yes

[strong warren]

only 1 team?

seems chill compared to other gachas

[drifting quest]

was as of cbt2, but also was permanent not rotating content

and that doesnt seem to have changed

hard to say if we'll get a rotating version

might not drop till yvonne banner even

[dry kindle]

oh right

[drifting quest]

since there's other events with gilb

[dry kindle]

think i found ult sp numbers but idk if its same as live

[ornate rapids]

hmm

[sly nymph]

perplexing medication formula from quest starting here

[dry kindle]

wut

[strong warren]

kinda crazy that after 15 tickets i got nothing

[drifting quest]

perplexing medicine is ult gain efficiency food

[strong warren]

the "1/24 is easy to farm" in question:

[drifting quest]

idt its better than stew meeting for ult spam

but hey

if you can stack it with other food buffs

no reason not to

[dry kindle]

i just did a 700k trade and chen bonus didnt trigger

[sly nymph]

it's a consumable so u can use other tacticals

[dry kindle]

thanks game

[sly nymph]

on top of it

[dry kindle]

hey you can always try the 1/500 without it

[drifting quest]

yes but there's a better consumable

if they dont stack then you're never touching that one over the flat atk one

[dry kindle]

akekuri and stuff gonna use it but yeah

surtr isnt

[sly nymph]

breakpoint is breakpoint

[drifting quest]

didnt think about the fact its per char not per team

[summer flower]

How much flat atk?

[drifting quest]

to be fair

[sly nymph]

i gonna use it on pog so i can ult on aggelomoirai stagger

[drifting quest]

like 180

[summer flower]

180...

[drifting quest]

its insane value

dont misunderstand

[summer flower]

Lemme thibk

[dry kindle]

1 min

[summer flower]

Cause there is crit one

So i'm not sure

And i don't have game open

[drifting quest]

crit is bait

[summer flower]

What's lv 80 weapon expected atk?

[drifting quest]

but the flat atk one also gives crit

[dry kindle]

hm yes that looks right

[lost heart]

Are you limited on consumables in battle? Not the tactical ones

[sly nymph]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DFJRxdprJrE
the 180 atk also has 11% crit

look the consumables this guy uses

[dry kindle]

the fuck is these numbers

[drifting quest]

afaik its 1 per char

[lost heart]

Still leaves some room for trying different stuff I guess

[summer flower]

I was using different one i think

[lost heart]

Not my favorite numbers

[dry kindle]

whatever

[atomic kraken]

good or brick?

[drifting quest]

temp option

but bricked still

[dry kindle]

who wants to do it for me

[atomic kraken]

do what

[dry kindle]

guess

[drifting quest]

quid pro quo

[dry kindle]

might as well do ziplines while im at it i guess

[dry kindle]

im not even doing this for the pulls im doing it for the character xp 😭

[gritty olive]

does that even drop lvl 60->90 exp

[normal tangle]

no

[lost heart]

What do you use zip lines for after you explore the map?

Collecting plants that can't be grown?

[full reef]

deliveries and yea rare plant/mineral nodes

[lost heart]

Is basic shatter team
MC , Estelle , Alesh, and Chen?

How do you do the combo?

[rain plinth]

build last rite pls?

[last shoal]

what would you prio in terms of enhancing gear? I went for gloves first, but not sure what to do for 2nd one

[ebon terrace]

67?

[manic blade]

the end game mode surely will be one team?

[manic blade]

under p4?

prolly heat dmg x3 > ult gain x2/3 > battle skill > int

[last shoal]

yes p0

[placid steeple]

Did they figure out what her best set was in the past 8 hours since I’ve been offline?

[manic blade]

I tried to do the calcs, they're rough but prolly heat dmg by a little

Waiting for a nerd to 100% that shit

[kindred sorrel]

Anyone playing ultimate recharge max pot laeva

Just to spam ult every rotation

[dry kindle]

cn players

[placid steeple]

Yeah I think the guess is that changing it is only worth when ur p4

Just off of principle

[manic blade]

lookie lookie what i got

[last shoal]

got it, do I need ult gain if I am not getting any breakpoints? Atm 2 skills get me to my ult

[last shoal]

sheesh 3 on twlight, I am jelous

[manic blade]

maybe fine then idrk

[manic blade]

it was 1 1 1 lol didd some etching

[last shoal]

I am too scared of spending my essences on etching, cus I always trip that I might need them at some point

lmao

[kindred sorrel]

Twilight top, heat gloves, 2x non-set ult recharge kits?

[last shoal]

only if stats make no sense together

[dry kindle]

tide top

[kindred sorrel]

Ye mb I meant tide top

[manic blade]

etching is like summoning a rabid dog that eats all your sanity...

[kindred sorrel]

And break point is 176.5% or something I assume

[dry kindle]

207

does anyone have actual full timeline

[kindred sorrel]

For max pot?

[manic blade]

the issue with crit set is you'll never get the 3 piece effect off with how slow laev atks

[dry kindle]

idk

[kindred sorrel]

P4 has 15% reduced ult cost

[dry kindle]

idk the timeline to check

so

[manic blade]

i have 7 mil valley 4 bucks now idek what to spend on

[fickle obsidian]

what if we use dapan and everyone is wearing slug Flan, will he use his ult everytime continously

[rose shuttle]

Noticed this as well. Is it Mood Regen bonus bugged?

[dull oriole]

what's wulfgard's offset piece

[gritty olive]

can someone help me test how arts% work

[crimson otter]

does arclights combo or skill normally do more damage (combo x2 vs skill x1)

[gentle quiver]

yeah lvl 70 teams can clear lvl 90 content just fine lol i think i will hoard resources

[manic blade]

The third node after lvl 9 talent takes so many mats it’s crazy

[dry kindle]

only 6 crowns per skill m3

[drifting quest]

m6 is doable

for paid bp

[dry kindle]

ok whel

[drifting quest]

or m9 even

[manic blade]

Try deep dive marble at lvl 70

[drifting quest]

18 crowns

[stone idol]

are wuling engraving permits worth getting at this stage of the game?

[manic blade]

Ill have enough once i get up to the tier with 16

[gritty olive]

would

they dont come almost always

@dry kindle where do you source energy gain mechanics

[dry kindle]

wut

[gritty olive]

energy gain mechanics

thats prob the last piece of the puzzle before i attempt this

[dry kindle]

team gains 6.5 energy per 100sp used
combo skills give 10 to user only

[drifting quest]

laev has extra energy to herself to keep track of too

[gritty olive]

so for surtr

[dry kindle]

then just multiply by ult gain %

[gritty olive]

yeah sure

no energy gain for final strikes?

[dry kindle]

same for skills with straight up ult energy gen

[dry kindle]

yep

[manic blade]

Ult charge not even worth it at p4 no?

[dry kindle]

p4 has the 1 cycle ult build

[manic blade]

What’s ult gain req?

[dry kindle]

idk laev timeline so

🗿

[gritty olive]

akekuri skill -> wulfgard combo -> surtr n5 -> ardelia combo

[manic blade]

One day 😭

[gritty olive]

i havent added ardelia energy due to combo, but this isnt looking good chief

[dry kindle]

laev enhanced active does just give you 100 energy straight up

[manic blade]

I might want to stop artificing and wait for some tc…

[gritty olive]

well its enhanced, but only during ult

[strong warren]

probability of getting level 2 line 3 essence?

seems the hardest to etch

should i just keep farming with engrave tickets

long term idk if we will be etching 1/1/1s forever

[dry kindle]

oh wait not enhanced

4 stack active

[vagrant surge]

You got data on antal?

[dry kindle]

[last shoal]

@manic blade question what should I mastery on Laev?

just ult and skill or?

[stone idol]

do we know in what order we should generally focus on to get higher numbers? Level > Skill > Weapons > Essence > Artificing?

[sullen elk]

lvl then weapon then essence kinda

[vagrant surge]

Always prioritize guaranteed gain

[stone idol]

words to live by

[vagrant surge]

Learned the hard way from Genshin my friend

[kindred sorrel]

I assume if you’re going for one rotation build you should etch the break point ult gain before weapon essence

I think it’s 2/6 and 3/6 on the two kits to hit the break point for p4+, assuming you’re running hot hands

[lofty root]

this is bis right for lev weapon

can i get like +2-3 or sth on the right?

as a base essence

[drifting quest]

you can technically 3/3/3 base i think but

good luck

ive seen 3/1/2 base

mine was 1/1/1

[lofty root]

brah

how many time can u etch an essence?

[drifting quest]

until it maxes

[lofty root]

that's nice

[drifting quest]

the pity is using gel instead of feeding in other essences

[lofty root]

there's pity?

i still dont understand the etching process

[drifting quest]

when you fail > get 10 gel
can use gel to guarantee an etching

cost increases with each one so dont waste them on low level etchigns

the higher ones can cost like 300

[lofty root]

ohhhh ok

[runic tulip]

does ardel's heal activate this weapons atk buff?

[wide latch]

any tips for the tentacle nefarith boss? i keep dying 😔

[zinc chasm]

has anyone done artificing and essence? which should be prioritized first?

[late pewter]

is Pogranichnik's unique weapon better than thermite cutter?

[sturdy rapids]

Any1 know what gear for wulfgard?

[dry kindle]

tc

looks inside

[drifting quest]

it depends

[dry kindle]

normal help questions

😔

[drifting quest]

classic

[dry kindle]

kill me

still need to level perli

[mint dagger]

t-creds..

[drifting quest]

rip skill level

[dry kindle]

also

lr gaming soon (never)

[sudden lichen]

alright after some thinking, I settled for this for my last rite team, I think this should be the best gear possible?

[naive urchin]

They all have their vapes

[dry kindle]

nope

not even mentioning fluorite 😭

[sudden lichen]

what else?

[dry kindle]

arde runs xiranite

xaihi is secondary stat maxing

fluorite isnt real

[sudden lichen]

I looked but xiranite was redundant for her

[wraith marten]

Neither until your character & their weapon are fully upgraded.

While you do that, you can stockpile the items needed for said things. Xiranire Components, Bills, the item needed for artificing, the item needed to guarantee stats for essence. They cost a lot of bills.

I'd overall say both are equally important, but essence is the bigger sanity & resource drain.

[dry kindle]

[sturdy rapids]

You can do perlica instead of fluorite for the debuff you’d just have to dodge cancel and save your final strike with last rite

[dry kindle]

fuck i wish i had xp

[sudden lichen]

like she has garbage options with the set. kit is low stats and ult/treatment bonus

there's no good armor either

she doesn't have a single good piece for her

[dry kindle]

the set with the highest ult is low ult bonus

ok

[sudden lichen]

and the set effect doesn't stack so xaihi will always make it obsolete

[sudden lichen]

I mean that ardelia ult isn't useful here

[dry kindle]

because

[sturdy rapids]

Any1 know a set for Akekuri?

[dry kindle]

xaihi doesnt use it

🗿

[dry kindle]

setless

[sudden lichen]

she has no better set, wym

[sturdy rapids]

👁️👄👁️

[sturdy rapids]

I just feed her stats?

[dry kindle]

redeemer seals go brr

[dry kindle]

ult gain

[sudden lichen]

for xaihi? wat

the set is fully useless

explain because none of this makes sense

[dry kindle]

thats crazy

now read the ult

[sudden lichen]

Right, guess I'll change to it

[vernal coral]

whats the best bue gear for ivonne guys?

[sudden lichen]

blue?

just pick whatever fits

[late pewter]

at that point it hardly matters, just pick what gear fits her main stats

[sudden lichen]

anyway, I guess this is better then?

[dry kindle]

still has fluorite in comp yeah

[sudden lichen]

there's no better fit for last rite sadly

I'm doing with what I can

[dry kindle]

perlica

or akekuri

just go perlica

[sudden lichen]

how is she better

[outer ermine]

non perlica believer

[dry kindle]

0sp use

electify exists

[sudden lichen]

wym 0 sp use

[dry kindle]

stanza user

[dry kindle]

shes just combo bot

and stanza

[sudden lichen]

doesn't that make fluorite just better then

she's also a combo bot with a better ult

[dry kindle]

no

[outer ermine]

lemme combo every 40s

[dry kindle]

also cant use stanza

[sudden lichen]

ardelia is using stanza

[outer ermine]

gun mfs r just selfish as hell lol

u get free sig bruh

[sudden lichen]

tomorrow yes

[dry kindle]

explodes

[sudden lichen]

thanks

[outer ermine]

np

[sudden lichen]

how significant is the electrify

[dry kindle]

uhhhhhh

fuck maths

gimmie a min

[sick nexus]

I have a question about avywenna how strong is her max potential

[sudden lichen]

because other than that buff, perlica really doesn't look great here

[sick nexus]

I am considering building an elec team using her and arc light

[dry mason]

I wonder if I can post my gameplay video in here

[sudden lichen]

what for

[sick nexus]

Hmm what units do you think will last long in the meta

[dry kindle]

assuming 133 arts intensity because im lazy
+20% arts damage taken

[sudden lichen]

wait

that's it?

[mystic halo]

so do you know how the multiplicative zones in this game work

[wide latch]

anyone?

[dry kindle]

dodge 💀

and hope ai dodges

[sudden lichen]

ah, so electrify is a post buff boost

[hollow barn]

With surtr p4, do i still need xiranite bp?

[sick nexus]

I am theory crafting who would be good even in the future

[hollow barn]

Or can i 2 cycle ult w/o it

[sick nexus]

For me it is probably ardelia since she is free and her signature is free

[dry kindle]

mfw using xiranite bp over tide surge

[sudden lichen]

mmh

last rite ult with electrify does sound really powerful

I guess having an easier 4 cryo doesn't compare to that big of damage difference

I'll need to do 3 final strikes before the whole combo though

[dry kindle]

oh

funny timing

[sudden lichen]

?

[dry kindle]

https://www.vxbilibili.com/video/BV1G26FBpEqA/

[sudden lichen]

gah, fine

[dry kindle]

not even sig

[sudden lichen]

anyway, it was clear I didn't want to spend resources on her

[drifting quest]

another rhodan bullied

[dry kindle]

rhodan dying to a last rite without sig and the most fried timeline possible

[sudden lichen]

rhodagn? Yeah he's a great team tester

time to work on perlica

[dry kindle]

oh

theres a rite marble trim

[sudden lichen]

I guess she was slower than the others

[dry kindle]

more like

laev and phys faceroll keyboard go brrr

[lime bear]

Rhodagn mechanics is really simple, I hate Triaggelos 2nd phase tho

[sudden lichen]

at least cryo teams are fun to theorycraft and play

[lime bear]

needing to kill the littles shits for it to lose the shield

[sick nexus]

I have a question about 5 star weapons what is a good one for laevatain

[drifting quest]

is it the p5 one

[dry kindle]

p1

[drifting quest]

new one then

[dry kindle]

with a very fried team comp loadout

[mystic halo]

there arent any good 5* ones

4* blue one is better than 5s

[sick nexus]

Oh

[dry kindle]

stanza ardelia

[mystic halo]

xd!

[sick nexus]

Taht is surprisingly

[dry kindle]

😭

[sudden lichen]

hey, just like me

[dry kindle]

just pull sig

even bp weapon is cooked

[sick nexus]

Darn it

[mystic halo]

bp one is... alright

[sick nexus]

Then what is a good 5 star weapon for last rite

[mystic halo]

but yeah just get 1 copy of sig

[dry kindle]

sig

[mystic halo]

dont use last rite with no sig

[dry kindle]

[mystic halo]

pointless

[sick nexus]

I know ardelia has her free signature

[dry kindle]

your options are sig sig or sig

[sick nexus]

So that is jsut more less wait

[dry kindle]

unless youre a sword vanguard

or arts unit supporter

[sudden lichen]

even with sundered prince?

[dry kindle]

man i fucking love waiting for dijang to make xp (lying)

[uncut kestrel]

Do i use 2 pyrometers for lava?

[sudden lichen]

it doesn't sound that bad tbh

[mystic halo]

30% damage loss

[sick nexus]

Wait does this include people like xaihi and Flourite

[dry kindle]

was expecting more

[mystic halo]

it used to be more

[dry kindle]

🔥

[mystic halo]

and, well

[sudden lichen]

ok yeah I see a 40% damage boost

[mystic halo]

it IS more when you are using an actual comp

because of how the multipliers work out

[sudden lichen]

that's 2x, in addition to attack boost modifier

[brave arrow]

do food buff stack in this game?

[sick nexus]

I don't think so

[sudden lichen]

guess I'll need to pull for her sig

at least I got lucky and got laev sig in one try, so I have a lot leftover

[dry kindle]

someones doing dorito trim runs with akekuri

wao

[outer ermine]

[dry kindle]

how aids is rite gonna be in umbral

[drifting quest]

probably on par with cbt2

[sudden lichen]

as in too OP?

[drifting quest]

a bit below to comp for nerfs

assuming they didnt make monument harder

[sudden lichen]

I can't remember the umbral being that hard

[fierce charm]

Does Wulfgard also go on hot works

[drifting quest]

it wasnt

[fierce charm]

Then what does he go on

[sudden lichen]

why would rite be aids there then?

[dry kindle]

ult gen spam

[fierce charm]

Is this right

[dry kindle]

multi target

[dry kindle]

no

[fierce charm]

Which pieces do that

[dry kindle]

someone kill me

[sudden lichen]

wym, she can hit multi targets with her skills

[dry kindle]

oh yay

time to cook

[mystic halo]

have you used the unit once do you know how small the aoe is

the only aoe it is going to be able to cleave

[sudden lichen]

she's my main for a while now

[mystic halo]

is enemies sucked by gilb

the only "real" AoE is ult and it has deadzones

[dry kindle]

not yay

[mystic halo]

which is actually exceptionally bad on some of the umbral stages

[dry kindle]

welp time for the classic aoe

[mystic halo]

she will just miss on enemies that are standing stationary

[dry kindle]

aka st faster

[sudden lichen]

that one stage is tricky right

[celest scroll]

What's the best ardelia kit? Laevatian build

[dry kindle]

easiest last rite clear vs phys and laev clears

😔

[dry kindle]

just shove 4 xiranite and call it a day

😭

[civic wolf]

Wedge or Navigator for Yvonne?

[dry kindle]

sig

[sudden lichen]

wait a month

[mighty imp]

Is full f2p team with f2p weapons
which for me is endmin chen perlica ardelia
with 5 star weapons strong enough

[civic wolf]

I can't afford sig

[mighty imp]

btw what is endgame in this game

[civic wolf]

i think i was too confident in deciding to not keep arsenal tickets and spend 30 pulls instead on getting a selector box for Valiant after getting Lav sig

[mystic halo]

well the sig is going to be out in like a month

[mighty imp]

and are 6 stars necessary to clear

[civic wolf]

in my defense, Lifeng is fucking bricked damage wise without Valiant at minimum and i used my selector on Thermal already

but yeah

i need non sig answers

Navigator or Wedge?

like you mean to tell me that no one's testing her rn? 😭

[mighty imp]

can someone answer my question

[civic wolf]

no endgame atm

[mighty imp]

only few have her and they prob are offline? idk

[mighty imp]

wait what

i see

[civic wolf]

yeah no endgame

even the one's coming out later this patch are perma endgame mode

[brave arrow]

Do attack% from main/sub attribute have lower value from raw attack% source?

[civic wolf]

no 4 week cycling endgame

[mighty imp]

so even if my team is weak at most i take longer to kill

right

[civic wolf]

there's a damage check mode but that's coming up in gilberta banner period

and even then its permanent and one time iirc

[mystic halo]

there is trim medal rn

which is killing lv90 boss within certain timeframe

[mighty imp]

cuz i only have time to play little and im not getting pulls quickly

so i plan to build my 5 stars for now

[civic wolf]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EC_rcTmq740

even then

[mighty imp]

ah

[civic wolf]

they altered this mod compared to this beta footage

so now you can use items in it

[dry kindle]

Oh

Welp

Ginseng time

[mighty imp]

I got last rite but her attacks are so clunky
i'd rather stick to avywenna or endmin f2p team

[dry kindle]

We love trying to farm with this annoying ass 20 plot limit or whatever tf

[mighty imp]

is there endmin main here

i wana here what people think of that

[dry kindle]

Shatter or phys

[mighty imp]

idk

which is better

[dry kindle]

Phys 🗿

[civic wolf]

Navigator or Wedge for Yvonne?

[mighty imp]

i use endmin with chen perlica and ardelia

thats good?

[dry kindle]

Sig

[swift ruin]

how significant is pot1 forgeborn over pot0

[sudden lichen]

wedge

[mystic halo]

it's like 4 or 5% increase

[dusty raptor]

Hello, stagger chest or all skill dmg for LastRite... Hard to choose 🤔

[mystic halo]

dont stress about the dupes

[sudden lichen]

Is this really the best gloves for perlica 🥹

[dry kindle]

Pulsartech

Or aethertech

I don't remember names

[sudden lichen]

otherwise I get this but it's dead aside intensity

[dry kindle]

[swift ruin]

just curious because i got a free dupe while going for smithing forge

[sudden lichen]

so I guess the second one

[dusty raptor]

no one have a idea ? :x

[sudden lichen]

wym stagger, lr uses skills

[mystic halo]

you can take this until perlica is raised more

[dusty raptor]

stagger its then ennemy take mroe dmg, stop moving etc

[mystic halo]

aethertech chest is the default pick for LR

[dusty raptor]

so stagger ^^

[swift ruin]

pulserlabs

[fierce charm]

Is akekuri on frontier pieces if so which ones

[sudden lichen]

ohm you ;eqnt stqgger d;g

[dusty raptor]

we talk about the chest, but pulsar 3piece yeah

[mystic halo]

yes, look #team-build pins

[sudden lichen]

yeah

pulsar is garbage for last rite

[swift ruin]

oh i was answering for the gloves

[dusty raptor]

i was dumb and start upgrading dmg ult bonus

[swift ruin]

it's best for perlica

[dusty raptor]

but its not lost, someone else... one day will take it ... i hope x)

[sudden lichen]

wait no, aethertech is much better

40+ intensity

[mighty imp]

i forgot how to make gear

i been fighting with no gear till now 💀

[swift ruin]

i think dmg bonus is more important idk

[sudden lichen]

perlica isn't the damage dealer, her whole use is electrify

[jagged abyss]

hi, the best epic armor for laevatain? because I don't have access to legendary armor yet

[sudden lichen]

pick whatever

gear that isn't yellow doesn't require much thoughts

[mighty imp]

when do we unlock gold gear

[jagged abyss]

I see

[mighty imp]

or yellow

[sudden lichen]

wuling

[mighty imp]

ah ok

[jagged abyss]

when do we unlock wuling?

its level 43?

[mighty imp]

i think so
the chapter 2 story

[jagged abyss]

i see, tysm

[swift ruin]

are you using the 3pc aethertech on her?

[sudden lichen]

no, the pulsar set

but the gauntlet is the only piece not worth using

[crystal belfry]

what pieces is better for p5 surtr?
just saw that her p4 make ult -15% cost

[sudden lichen]

turns out the credit store is insanely buffed compared to AK. You can get a significant amount of weapon/op gacha currency every day

[swift ruin]

is that arts intensity really that good of a stat 😭

[mighty imp]

where you get 1.67k from

[civic wolf]

fuck, this means i have to choose between Wedge and Detonation Unit for the Level 45 box then

this is for Yvonne btw

[sudden lichen]

it's the only stat worth for her

[civic wolf]

my Wulfric already swings Clannibal

so its just purely for Yvonne

[sudden lichen]

wym, just all the regular friend interaction stuff

[civic wolf]

...can Yvonne use Clannibal?

[sudden lichen]

deliveries+ ship visits+clue exchange+stock trade

[mighty imp]

oh, i needa add more friends

[civic wolf]

if i have CLannibal can i just go Detonation Unit on that box?

[sudden lichen]

Wedge was my yvonne weapon for the beta. Managed 1 million damage with it, so it isn't horrible for her

[mystic halo]

det unit is pretty good