theorycrafting

[steel topaz]

no Antal enjoyer? 😛

[glossy ether]

antal is fine just hmm

you can get more out of alderia always and akekuri brings way more to the damage

[steel topaz]

Ardelia is kinda boring in the team I don't like her :S

[naive comet]

Wow I thought she’d perform better Ty

[steel topaz]

But got her p3 if course cause appertly std. banner doesnt have any other characters 😂

[glossy ether]

@steel topaz yes but the numbers. THE NUMBERS

she makes you do so much damageeee

[steel topaz]

she's wearing some slop atm maybe I need to fix her gear LUL

[manic blade]

my laev skills are hitting for 90k i wonder how much that'll drop

[glossy ether]

a lot

you were running bskill % so its going to be less for sure

[steel topaz]

my Gilberta is already wearing that set 🤔

what are you using on her?

[manic blade]

but ult and basic atk is gonna do a lot more

[glossy ether]

and combo skill

[steel topaz]

the set bonus doesnt stack though_

?

[glossy ether]

it'll come at different times so its fine

[steel topaz]

hmmm

[glossy ether]

one is off gilberta ulti the other is off of bskill from alderia

i was in middle of testing this stuff tho so

[frank shadow]

does levelling basic attack talent boost the attacks that they do when your not on fielding them? Or is it only for on field

[glossy ether]

yeah just confirmed, it refreshes the buff when you gilberta ulti

so very good uptime on it

[manic blade]

what does assault do? and do we have a list of all those attributes

[glossy ether]

assault from essence?

or something else

[steel topaz]

are you running p4 Laevatain?

[glossy ether]

my laeva is p0 homie ahahaha

the ultimate efficiency is nice tho fr

[steel topaz]

wondering what the better of the 2 pieces is

[glossy ether]

or lower cost rather

[manic blade]

yeah

[glossy ether]

with what set?

[manic blade]

p5 is so silly as well 22s ult when there's lot of enemies LOL

[glossy ether]

assault different on each assault weapon i imagine just like infliction

[steel topaz]

currently running this

[glossy ether]

im pretty sure

[manic blade]

what is each pieces substats on crit build btw?

[glossy ether]

you'd run this wouldnt you? or no

not sure if youre at a weird breakpoint for your ulti or somethin

[glossy ether]

0 artificing -

[steel topaz]

since p4 gives ult cost reduction the idea was to have insane ult uptime that way 🤔

[glossy ether]

when you have 3 crit artifice on the kit you can swap chest for basic attack if you want, or just keep crit

[glossy ether]

this is why akekuri is technically the best

everytime laeva uses her enhanced bskill she gets 100 ult energy

so use that 2 times you probably have your ult

[glossy ether]

since she's your main dps i'd assume, any non offensive sub stat is a big investment

i also think hotworks is just a bad set if you aren't running akekuri+wulf together

[steel topaz]

I'll try her out - see how the team runs 👍

[steel topaz]

if not an ultimate off piece woudnt this be better?

[glossy ether]

unsure tbh i'm running m1 set not hot works so i have to use chest

that is like 100 int though so pretty good

[steel topaz]

I see

[glossy ether]

curious if this is good if you have really high ult uptime tho

[violet wing]

why do people use twelve questions instead of OBJ Edge on Arclight? team wise the obj looks way better

but every guide i check on avywenna jet main dps, perlica detonation, ardelia their arclight uses twelve questions

[steel topaz]

hmmm 😄 tbf in her ult she melts everything already but maybe an option yeah

[steel topaz]

one skil O.O with the redeemer seal

that's fun xD

[glossy ether]

enhanced bskill right?

[steel topaz]

yeah

[glossy ether]

yepppp lol

thats why you dont need it btw

you're gonna get it in 2 enhanced bskills + whatever bskills you use along the way

[steel topaz]

hmmm

I'll try ;D

[glossy ether]

need 255 ultimate energy to get ult, enhanced gives 100+base

if youre at p4

also this.. xd

doesnt help with ult but helps with getting more infliction out to build another enhance

[steel topaz]

yeah fair

[vapid forum]

is there anyone specific from this who maximizes mc potential?

[thorn ibex]

how do i play this team?

[glossy ether]

start laeva auto attacks, akekuri bskill, wulfgard combo, alderia combo, alderia bskill, laeva combo then bskill if 4 stacks, wulfgard bskill to consume

always use ake ult before laeva

[thorn shore]

what do we think tangtangs element is gonna be

[glossy ether]

phys or nature is my guess

[thorn shore]

yeah nature is what i thought

[thorn shore]

chen pog and eventually lifeng or da pan whichever you get is a good phys team i think?

ask for phys team comp with endmin in #team-build

us getting another phys 6 star after both pog and lifeng would be insane

[strong warren]

anyone know an english equivalent of this

optimal engravings to choose for everything

[junior knoll]

How important is the sub team members' gear and weapons? along with their skills? Should I be leveling their skills, armor, and weapons up or only the main character of the team

[strong warren]

only level skills that give damage amp

[thorn shore]

literally on the weapon itself

you get the essence that matches all 3

[naive urchin]

Can stock prices hit 150% sale price (5000 total)? this is the highest I've seen so far, but I'm wondering if I should hold products for higher sales when they come up.

[strong warren]

no i think the spreadsheet is saying how to choose stats to farm the maximum number of weapons at the same time

[thorn shore]

ive seen 5000+

[thorn shore]

oh

[strong warren]

like for laev you need to choose 2 other main stats and choose either attack or twilight

apparently its optimal to choose agi/main stat/int + atk% for laev

[vapid forum]

i chose to run this for now after reading some skills

[strong warren]

yeah idk i'm finding a bunch of chinese guides saying how to farm engravings lol

can't make what weapons its talking about because it doesnt translate well

[civic wolf]

whats the diff between BP Weapon and Yvonne's actual sig?

[strong warren]

ok pretty sure this is the optimal selection for laev

farms for:

laev sig
khravengger last rite sig
never rest pog sig
thermite cutter
and then the 5 star stanza of memorials

[fading fog]

How is Pog + Pan supposed to be played? Consume with Pog until Lifeng ult is up and then clear the 4 stacks with Pan?

[drowsy wyvern]

how does this interact with avywenna's skill? does her damage get buffed or not?

[jaunty path]

yes it does

it is her best in slot for that reason

very good

[drowsy wyvern]

oh, i was thinking that maybe the game is lame and it wouldnt work

[jaunty path]

no

avywenna is electric

which is arts dmg

[thorn shore]

i think this game is pretty cool

[drowsy wyvern]

i've had times where something looks good on paper but then you try it and it doesnt work because they hard coded it to not work

[jaunty path]

yes

[drowsy wyvern]

been burnt like that too often

well thats unfortunate i bought a dupe of cohesive traction

couldve been worse

[jaunty path]

cohesive is

good too

2nd best

jet is free if you didn't know

i assume that's where you previewed from though

[drowsy wyvern]

indeed

[thorn shore]

how do u get it for free

[drowsy wyvern]

lv45 authority level weapon selector

[thorn shore]

oh thats cool

i like avywenna idk if im ever playing electric till zhuang fangyi comes out though

[jaunty path]

i luuuuuvvvv avy

[drowsy wyvern]

electric team so far is pretty fun, antal is just kinda there though

to press ult

[jaunty path]

i've been using ardelia on that team unfortunately

p2 has to go to use

[drowsy wyvern]

does she not brick the team?

[jaunty path]

she does

[drowsy wyvern]

im also a p2 ardelia victim

[jaunty path]

waiting for gilberta

[thorn shore]

probably good to pull gilberta if ur maining avywenna

yeah

[jaunty path]

yes

[drowsy wyvern]

i dont mind p2 ardelia though, wanted to play avy before the game came out, very glad shes fun to play

[jaunty path]

i am hoping for p5 soon

i have p4

[thorn shore]

professional victim

wanting more dupes

[jaunty path]

no

for

avy

ardelia p4 id genuinly just quit

[thorn shore]

lmao

game needs to give me more wolf and avywenna dupes

id be a lot happier

meanwhile im stuck with like xaihi and snowshine fully duped

[fading fog]

How well does crush scale from art intensity?

[thorn shore]

yuck

[charred fractal]

is e4 even worth it? seems like stat sticks

i have a fully maxxed e3 team, wondering whether to move on or continue maxxing them

[outer ermine]

u need it if u wanna mastery skills

[charred fractal]

hmm which units even have noteworthy masteries

cuz like

i have an e370 teams of last rite, fluorite, xaihi, ardelia

i rolled laev recently so ive been on fence whether to move on to laev party or continue raising my last rite

[outer ermine]

speedrun next time

just a few more artifice and right essence on lr

[outer ermine]

from that comp alone lr atleast m6, xaihi ult m3, ard skill m3 if u can afford

whteher u need it is a diff thing tho

[round warren]

can someone tell me what should i buy?

[strong warren]

ok seems like its always better to buy out all artificing tickets every week

and only use left overs for engrave

engrave seems pretty fast in this game

[round warren]

artificing tickets?

[strong warren]

oh i wasnt referring to credit store

for credit store just only buy oroberyl and arsenal tickets

refresh if they aren't in shop

[rancid dagger]

Does this channel also covers zipline placement and map paths ?

[gritty olive]

is there any case where youd switch your controlled operator during any time in battle

[dull tundra]

im whiffin on her weapon banner are any of the other swords good for last rite?

[charred fractal]

would u suggest maxxing this first, or pivoting to laevatain team?

idk how significantly better laev is if any

cuz my line of thought is, if last rite is pale in comparison to laev, then why should i continue with this party, kind of thing

[ashen hollow]

For essence farming what are the best stats to pick for endmin weapon?

Im mostly confused on the "skill stats" section adn what each skill means? such as assult, suppression, ect

[ancient merlin]

its buff weapons main effect

so best essense will have all 3 stats for weapon

[ashen hollow]

so if a weapon doesn't have a skill stat

I should not pick that skill stat for it

it won't add it on?

[ashen hollow]

any idea what to pick for a weapon for endmin?

[ancient merlin]

agility, attk and infliction

differnt bosses have different stats

[ashen hollow]

different bosses?

like different farming areas?

[rare rover]

each weapon has 3 stats that can be improved, the first is a regular stat being intellegence, strength, and what not which is for the top selection

then as u see below theres 2 more sections, just look into the weapon your using and what they say though be aware theres multiple places u can farm essense and each have different stat selections for example one place may have twilight for laevathan but not attack and one place might have attack and not twilight, but there is one place with both twilight and attack far into wuling

the only stat that remains the same for each farm place is the top bracket or base stats

[ashen hollow]

what exactly is main attribute boost?

for example for endmin is it not just agility? so if I got main attribute boost is it not the same as agility boost? or am I missing something

[old wren]

Since I was in here talking about unique double-tap dashes yesterday, Gilberta also has one

It might actually be slower than standard? Lol. It lasts for quite a while though

[rare rover]

i believe main attribute boost is a direct atk boost

[ashen hollow]

lets say I have this and my main attribute for that character is strength

is there really any difference then between the 2 main stats?

[rare rover]

it doesnt matter because essense are weapon based

your weapon choice has 3 locked stats

only aim for those 3

[misty arch]

if the weapon has strenght boost and you put a main attribute essence it will not icnrease the strenght boost

[ashen hollow]

okay

[rare rover]

it will only improve the weapons stat if it matches

for example

see my weapon

it has intellect boost and twilight

but it has physical instead of atk

[ashen hollow]

yeah I get the matching part now

[rare rover]

yeah

its pretty clear

[sly nymph]

what gold gear are ppl using on endmin

every website has different rec

[ashen hollow]

idk if its right but sundering steel was what I used

what other options have you seen?

[dry kindle]

Anyone know where to find enemy numbers if even possible

[twilit quail]

there are two sets

top for daily bottom for killing staggered boss

[sly nymph]

why does prydwen recommend swordmancer gloves when they have strength/will

[dry kindle]

Because prydwen is smart

(Lying)

[sly nymph]

is it best to just run swordmancer on all 3 on phys team

[gritty olive]

is hit lag the same all throughout all instances of it occuring?

[rare rover]

prywden honestly is a good base but isnt exactly great, just look at it to see information about the characters and what they reccomend and then look further in yourself for which pieces are better for that character than what prywden reccomends

[sly nymph]

i thought it might be because the phys dmg tertiary stat was strong enough to justify it

but swordmancer also has phys dmg on kit so it doesnt make sense

[quaint current]

phy dmg % maybe? Would be my guess

[sly nymph]

yeah but swordmancer has phys dmg on the kit with right mainstats so

ig its because there is no bonekrusha gloves so you have to run offpiece

[quaint current]

Bonecrusher gloves give either will + int or will + agi

[dry kindle]

Not even most of the time

[sly nymph]

are they from stock market? i havent checked i just didnt see any in crafting menu

[dry kindle]

You have aethertech tho

[languid kelp]

Any place to read up on energy gain from things like battle skill usage?

[vagrant sparrow]

do enemies in this game have some kind of resistance

like fire res or phys res

[drifting quest]

yes

[vagrant sparrow]

is there somewhere i could see it?

[ashen hollow]

we will not be getting any more firewalkers trail HH permits right? if we get a free pull every 30, would it not be best to just do 30 pulls every banner to optimize pulls/ticket spent? if you don't care abt the rate up people at all

[drifting quest]

if you will never care about any rate up ever then your plan should be doing 60 each banner to get 20 rebated

if you will ever care about any limited unit ever than save 120 pulls to guarantee first

[dry kindle]

But yeah

Corrosion shreds it

[ashen hollow]

but from 30-60 you get a free 10 pull for every 30 pulls

[vagrant sparrow]

its kinda whatever if i cant see who is resistance to what tho

[ashen hollow]

for this baner we had the sign in event

so you'd only need 20 pulls to get the free 10

[dry kindle]

Its all damage resist iirc

And 50% or something by default idr

[drifting quest]

we dont know until the next banner if every banner will have one

but even if every banner does have one 120 pulls is the strict guarantee threshold to save for to guarantee a unit

[vagrant sparrow]

im struggling to clear this thing and im using laevatain i guess skill issue

[dry kindle]

[drifting quest]

is that rhodan

[ashen hollow]

even if we don't doesn't still doing just 20 now save more?

[drifting quest]

not if you want a specific unit because you can only guarantee at 120 pulls

you cant presend pulls into an earlier banner it has to be exactly 120 pulls on the specific banner of the unit you want

[dry kindle]

Yeah

[sly nymph]

yeah but the question is whether the 20% phys damafe is better than allat

i will test when i get home ig

[dry kindle]

Time to go kill myself and math if endmin shatter is anywhere close

For trim medal

[drifting quest]

doesnt even have fire res, giga fraudulent

[dry kindle]

😭

[dry kindle]

Just math it

Glhf including effects

[sly nymph]

im not that sweaty 😭

[dry kindle]

Then just copy anyone who isn't prydwen

[sly nymph]

ill just use the swordmancer gloves because cheaper upgrade

and move on to other unit

[vagrant sparrow]

COOKED

[dry kindle]

60-90 is worse

[dry kindle]

Just use aether gloves

[vernal oriole]

I am completely, utterly broke on t-creds. Leveling characters from 80-90 is brutal.

[safe sand]

aether set full arts intensity makes crush do a lot of dmg

so its just a really easy to set up baseline

[dry kindle]

Or

Bonecrusher

[safe sand]

bonecrusher stats

i think if you use endmin battle skill every 2 rotations like in a pog team

bonecrusher is probably better

[dry kindle]

You kinda have to alternate skill ult so

[safe sand]

with pog?

[dry kindle]

Oh pog rot idk

[safe sand]

makes sense i suppose

[dry kindle]

Shatter is alternate

[safe sand]

can you get ulti every other rotation tho

[dry kindle]

Should

16s combo cd

[lost heart]

You could do a backflip or two in that amount of time

[dry kindle]

Me when fluorite cd

[lost heart]

I love her ult

[dry kindle]

I don't love her combo cd

[midnight stirrup]

What's the drop ratio for a 6-star?

without soft pity

[safe sand]

wait flourite is in phys shatter?

[lost heart]

The wait makes you appreciate it more ❤️

[midnight stirrup]

If its a permanent thing, atleast its not 120 to guarantee, but 100 no

Cause you get free 10 pull twice after the first two 30

[dry kindle]

They do

[plucky warren]

If you're running Ardelia in a phys team is it not worth pressing her skill after her combo for the phys debuff since it delays your vuln stacking?

[grand mica]

I think 6 star rate is .08 without pity

[dry kindle]

The point of having ardelia is pressing skill for the suscept

[midnight stirrup]

0,08%?

[dry kindle]

0.8%

50/50

[midnight stirrup]

Okay so

[drifting quest]

as in doing 10 pulls on 3 banners does not make the guarantee suddenly 90 for the 4th banner

the 4th banner is still 120 pulls

the free 10 pull at 30 pulls does not count towards pity and hence does no reduce the pulls needed

the free 10 pull at 60 counts to the next banner

at best if you do 60 pulls on the banner directly before > there's 10 free pulls
you still need to save 100 pulls to guarantee

[safe sand]

probably not a #theorycrafting question

[midnight stirrup]

If I got 4 6-stars within 20 pity

What are the odds of that

if one is 0,8%

[safe sand]

sigh

[midnight stirrup]

Oh didnt know the first one didnt count

[vagrant sparrow]

is laev team rotation just

antal skill > wolf skill > wolf combo skill > antal combo skill > laev finisher > Ardelia Combo skill > Laev skill ?

[midnight stirrup]

But if you stick with the one banner you do 60 on and then free. That means u need 110 to guarantee no

Since 10 are free

[dry kindle]

Probably

[grand mica]

Yeah .8 sorry

[vagrant sparrow]

im so weak wtf

[dry kindle]

Actual you need to open with ardelia don't you

[fleet heron]

What would be the correct skill order in a Akekuri, Wulf, Arclight, and Pearlica team? I’m unsure when would be the best time to use Akekuri’s skill in this team composition..

[vagrant sparrow]

i thought ardelia skill is just heal

actually how tf do u even find that much skill points

to use all 3

[dry kindle]

Ardelia skill consumes corrosion for suscept

[midnight stirrup]

Np

[lost heart]

Consuming corrosion doesn't sound healthy.

[midnight stirrup]

Where the hell u get these medals

[safe sand]

re-crisis deep dive

[midnight stirrup]

When does that unlock

[safe sand]

you technically probably have them alraedy

operational manual > index > re-crisis

[dry kindle]

Trims

[vagrant sparrow]

ok wtf this made this stage so much easier why does no guide say to use ardelia skill

are they brainded

[midnight stirrup]

Oh true

[lost heart]

Do you get by clearing and another one for doing under 240 sec?

[vagrant sparrow]

cleared first try with this

[safe sand]

you have to do the previous difficulties before you unlock deep dive, and to get trims (the cool looking variants) you have to do them in under a certain time frame

[midnight stirrup]

What level u gotta do for the medal

Oh ic

[safe sand]

240s for tri-aggelos i think

yea

i think it just upgrades

[midnight stirrup]

Wait thats sick

[dry kindle]

Welcome to gacha

[safe sand]

rhodagn is 120s

[safe sand]

90

[dry kindle]

Mfw triangle is 240s

[safe sand]

this is like i want to say early endgame

[midnight stirrup]

Damn

Im about to unlock cap for 80

Still a bit to go

[safe sand]

bro i dont think i can even beat the level 90 triangle 😭

[dry kindle]

@undone mason can you DM the cn doc

[lost heart]

Triangle? He is more like a T shape

[safe sand]

rhodagn took me like 4 minutes

[undone mason]

check your dms

[dry kindle]

Anyone with trims will be kicked for being wheels 🗣️

[undone mason]

i sent it last night lmao

way ahead of you

[safe sand]

tbh i think if i had invested differently i could probably clear it

[midnight stirrup]

whats ur comp

[dry kindle]

Oh

[safe sand]

im running estelle alesh chen endmin but i DO have lifeng and pog, just not invested

[dry kindle]

We love discord

[dry kindle]

Do you have da pan

[safe sand]

yeah but i like the endmin variant better

[dry kindle]

Embrace the brain damage

Run the mono phys

[safe sand]

[dry kindle]

Anyway

Time for pain and suffering

Already regretting this

[austere relic]

Is detonation unit or JET better from the free wep box

[rain veldt]

Question about mono physical team, won't having both Pog and Endmin bad cause they both want to consume vulnerable stacks? Won't it be better to drop Endmin and just add vulnerable enablers instead?

[dry kindle]

Just don't press pog active

[gritty olive]

[lost heart]

What are the N's here?

Oh normal

[gritty olive]

im trying to test out combo/finisher weavings

when it goes between a full normala ttack string

[lost heart]

Now this is theory crafting

[dry kindle]

I'm busy going insane

[nova lance]

Where to use sanity potion?

[gritty olive]

i still dont know the full damage formula when accounting for defense

so im grounding this up first since conditionals of ocmbos and finishers are needed, like taking track of stagger

[lost heart]

There is still a lot of work to be done I guess

[gritty olive]

yeah its a lot if i want to automate most of these, while making learning this sheet easier for other people if they want to dabble their hands on it

[lost heart]

On @gritty olive or maybe sworce

[gritty olive]

ive already gathered free work from some people

[nova lance]

Wut..

[gritty olive]

for now you can use it on whatever you ened

currently im doing exp, but id use the expiring ones first, and just wait it out

[nova lance]

Is essence not worth?

[gritty olive]

@lost heart btw from my pleminary "calculator" this is how much atk surtr gets from int and str and her weap

[gritty olive]

as of now i havent farmed those so i dont know... maybe try asking #help

[dry kindle]

Can we buff google translate on mobile I beg

[dry kindle]

Essence farming is bill gated

[drowsy wyvern]

how often do you proc arts bursts with perlica in avywenna arclight perlica gilberta? (trying to figure out if its worth leveling it for my perlica when i get gil, its prob worth if you run antal though)

[lost heart]

Wdym by Bill Gated

[lost heart]

Oh ya I forgot you need to spend to get those ticket

[gritty olive]

from what ive read, damage taken(vulnerability for consistency) and damage% buffs fall under the same window

[lost heart]

How many of the characters do you have?
Are you planning to do this for all of the 6 stars?

[gritty olive]

at least from the reddit TC post that ive been linked to time and time again

[dry kindle]

They don't

[gritty olive]

this is the extent of the sheets i have rn

its just pure data waiting to be used

i still have r880 to attempt later in the week, and grinding primos for columbina sig, so my sheet prob gets delayed more and more and more

[lost heart]

Why is there 1 striker before the casters in the first image

[gritty olive]

madame yvonne was a caster

i based it off of that, so yeah

[dry kindle]

This is so aids on mobile

[gritty olive]

this is why im always grabbing my laptop from my little brother as much as possible since hes using it for schoolwork

i have an ipad but its garbage to use sheets on there

[lost heart]

Can you do excel on a game console?

[lost heart]

Well I hope you can answer some useful questions with it

[gritty olive]

yeah i hope so

i still have to account for elemental inflictions

[nova lance]

Like wuts the best team for laev

[gritty olive]

wait for 2 more weeks

when her banner ends

[nova lance]

[manic blade]

can someone explain the metastorage transfer thingie I just unlocked at valley 4 regional development 12? does it just full duplicate what ur transferring?

[dry kindle]

Have fun

[dry kindle]

Its just spawns shit

[manic blade]

what does this mean exactly like you get extra?

[dry kindle]

I mean it just spawns shit

Normal transfer takes from valley

Metastorage just spawns it

[grim hedge]

Hey everyone. Well, I've been racking my brain for an hour now and I've come to the conclusion that I want to build my Laevatein in one of two ways. The first one provides a lot of damage for a short period of time, and the second one allows you to build up your ultimate over two rotations(If I understood everything correctly). Which one looks more interesting?
P.S. The first three pictures are one build, and the last two are the second.

[dry kindle]

Surely this is accurate

[manic blade]

so it would be worth like transferring like wuling batteries for example and then just bringing them to backpack and selling?

[dry kindle]

No

[grim hedge]

And such a strange question. I've been forgetting to check for two days now. Can Laevatein gain ultimate points while in her ultimate?

[manic blade]

no

[grim hedge]

https://tenor.com/view/ju-fufu-zzz-zenless-zone-zero-zzzero-sad-gif-12385730012009886606

[manic blade]

and I switched over to the crit set ngl

[celest parrot]

What's better to use for Fluorite, Wedge or OBJ Velocitous?

[grim hedge]

For whom?

[manic blade]

laevatain

[grim hedge]

I marked the wrong message...

[manic blade]

its ok i figured

[outer ermine]

[grim hedge]

For some reason I don't like the crit set on her.

It seems to me that there are characteristics there that do not suit her.

Like, you boost your crits, but lose the initial damage to get the same thing.

[manic blade]

heat has better burst dmg crit is better sustained i feel

i think especially with p5 crit has a decent edge at least for me...

[grim hedge]

Did you get it all?

https://tenor.com/view/huh-gif-8745920596725500379

[lost heart]

Can yo increase crit damage in this game yet?

[manic blade]

shes 90 w 90 weapon and 2 artifices on heat dmg and 3 on crit and potential 5...

talents are almost max they'r all 2/3 for final node

[grim hedge]

Wouldn't it be better to make her use her ult more often?

[manic blade]

with one of her potentials and akekuri you get ult back ridiculously fast

[outer ermine]

i just fuckin realized its p5 here not p6

[manic blade]

yeah... its actually sm cheaper than hoyo games too like i got it in 240 pulls

[grim hedge]

I just did the math. The developers decided to make a joke... If you only have one target, you won't be able to restore your ult in two casts, even with P4. LOL

[plucky warren]

Is the Arts Intensity on Grand Vision a worthless stat when Endmin is using it since they do physical damage? Or is Endmin unique cause they use "Originium Arts"?

[safe sand]

when da pan consumes vuln with his combo skill does ancient canal's effect give any benefits to the crush damage or does it only apply afterwards

[manic blade]

a lot of battles are multi target and with akekuri sp regen you get hella skills out

[safe sand]

crush damage is affected by arts intensity

[grim hedge]

300x0.85=255
(Skill+Combo)x2=250 ult point

https://tenor.com/view/ju-fufu-ju-fufu-side-eye-zenless-zone-zero-ju-fufu-zzz-zzz-gif-1081283867394367547

[plucky warren]

Oh that's interesting. What about Endmin ult? No effect?

[safe sand]

I don't think so

[outer ermine]

damn noice

[safe sand]

if you read the effects of arts intensity it also enhances the effect of breach

[plucky warren]

I tried finding information on it but couldn't in game, maybe I overlooked it

Oh

So it affects all physical statuses

Is there a chart on how crush and breach scale with vuln stacks?

Iirc I heard breach is +5% phys damage taken per stack

[dry kindle]

Crush = 150% +150% per vuln
Breach = 50% + 50% per vuln, 11/14/17/20% damage taken, 12/18/24/30 seconds

[idle kindle]

Guys hot work exo for lae or tide fall, on paper tide fall is better but all the guides i Saw uses hot work exo

[drifting quest]

ive yet to see the math on tide fall ult gain % breakpoint so its pure feelscraft

[gritty olive]

how much stagger do enemies have

[drifting quest]

try both and go with what feels better

[idle kindle]

Allright, thank you

[shut cobalt]

this or this for akekuri?
9% atk at max seems way too low for potentially giving quite a bit more sp but idk the numbers

could get a fortmaker once it pops up in the shop too ig

[dry kindle]

Just math it yourself

[shut cobalt]

fortmaker btw, so fortmaker or thermite cutter

fortmaker'd help a lot with sp while thermite cutter would give a 9% atk, so i just have no clue whats best

[drifting quest]

i keep saying i will do it because i mald when people recommend it without knowing and then i get distracted by something and not starting

[dry kindle]

Do it mf

[drifting quest]

i need to put some more resources into antal so i can actually test teams with him too

[mystic halo]

you can already get enough energy for ult with two rotations here

[drifting quest]

he's sat at like skill level 6

works for testing rotation but falls behind on damage marks

[grim hedge]

What if there is only one goal?

[drifting quest]

need to actually make buff food too

[mystic halo]

3pc tide is not really good right now, there isnt an environment for it

[shut cobalt]

fortmaker or thermite cutter for akekuri in leavatain team?

[drifting quest]

therm

[shut cobalt]

why tho?
9% atk seems way too low compared to giving quite a bit more sp which she needs

[mystic halo]

5% ult gain is not going to do anything for you

but because of how damage calculations work in this game

[shut cobalt]

ofc im going to put it on +9...

[mystic halo]

even a 12% atk boost is going to be very visible

[drifting quest]

atk buffs are rare for the team, the ult gain is nice when maxed but like doesnt massively change the rot

[dry kindle]

Idk how attack buffs stack so

[drifting quest]

it caps at like 35% or something

[dry kindle]

28

Close enough

[drifting quest]

the int is nice too

since it buffs combo sp gen

but therm still wins out

[grim hedge]

I always think with the assumption that there's only one target. If that's the case, then that's 112 energy from the combat skill and four stacks, and 28 from the combo skill. That's only 140 energy, if you only take into account the 12.3% that armor provides.

[dry kindle]

I guess atk buffs fall under percentage bonus

[drifting quest]

uge% and int matter less if you just clear faster

[dry kindle]

But that sounds completely ill

[shut cobalt]

so therm in the end?

[drifting quest]

yes

[dry kindle]

Less yap more ult rotation math

[shut cobalt]

alr, thanks!

[drifting quest]

i need to like update obs

it hates endfield for some reason

[shut cobalt]

and apparently its a 16% boost not 8% since its 2 stacks

[dry mist]

Does Last rite need crit?

[mystic halo]

with one set of two teammate skills, one stacked skill, and one combo vs 1 enemy, you gain 138

[drifting quest]

crit is sunk cost to invest in right now

[dry kindle]

No

Crit doesn't exist

[drifting quest]

there's not enough sources of it to make it worth chasing

[dry kindle]

You aren't telling me otherwise

[drifting quest]

b-but my yvonne ult gives crit

[mystic halo]

with even a little bit of charge efficiency this tips over to more than 150

[dry kindle]

Yvonne isn't real by default so

[mystic halo]

which fills in two cycles

[drifting quest]

please dont look at how much it gives

[mystic halo]

the evil

yvonne ult crit ramping bug

that is still in the game

[drifting quest]

120 cv printer

[dry kindle]

Cv

[drifting quest]

hoyo wuwa tc brainrot persists

[shut cobalt]

but wait, isnt atk% already heavily dilluted cuz of the main and sub stat?

[drifting quest]

on who

laev doesnt have much atk%

[shut cobalt]

wdym

[drifting quest]

as far as I know (but correct me if I'm wrong) it isn't treated like an atk% buff is

[mystic halo]

uhhh

[shut cobalt]

ohh, so an atk buff from main /substat is different than an atk buff from a gear/weapon?

[mystic halo]

so the calculation in this game is very dense with many many zones

like azur lane if you are familiar

technically speaking there are TWELVE separate multiplicative zones

[drifting quest]

as far as I'm aware yes, but wouldnt take it as a direct quote

[mystic halo]

many of which are subdivided into smaller portions

[drifting quest]

its a feelscraft beause if we were getting 300% atk% buffs then no atk% steroid would ever feel like an increase, but they do

[mystic halo]

the atk stat is split into three

base atk

atk boosts

and ability value bonuses

the formula is as follows

[(base atk * 1+% bonuses) + static bonuses] * 1+ability value bonuses

[shut cobalt]

got it, thanks!

[mystic halo]

and so % bonuses and static bonuses that may appear small

are extremely valuable

[dry kindle]

CV mfs when I introduce them to RNG in a FUCKING GACHA GAME

[drifting quest]

if its not 100% its 0%

[dry kindle]

9 for player damage

No one cares about enemy damage

[mystic halo]

ok but real talk the "expected crit value" is such bullshit

the work of black mold

[drifting quest]

cv is just twice cr + cd though

[dry kindle]

Also

[drifting quest]

way to tell how much crit a build has at a glance

[dry kindle]

Can we kill whoever did arts intensity

[drifting quest]

so you can do wow my build has 300 cv im so good

[dry kindle]

85 intensity = 44% arts effect

But 42% stagger damage

[drifting quest]

there seems to be a lot of rounding 'errors' in the game

[dry kindle]

Its 42.5

[drifting quest]

its like the 4th calc ive seen where it's a few% off expected

[dry kindle]

The fuck did 44 come from

[drifting quest]

as in like % higher or lower

there's all the dijiang stuff that has % differing from expecting

might be something with the math functions

[mystic halo]

atk, MV, defense, crits, boosts, amp, link, suscept., vuln, resistance, stagger, reduction

am I forgetting any

[dry kindle]

Oh

[shut cobalt]

btw, one more thing
is there any point in leveling thermite cutter? its not like akekuri deals dmg compared to leav and the only thing thats worth for her is the last passive which doesnt increase the cap with upgrades

[mystic halo]

the nefarious and elusive defense value

[dry kindle]

Damage dealt and damage taken

[gritty olive]

are atk% buffs additive to main and sub attribute atk% buffs

[mystic halo]

^

[gritty olive]

yeah

just double checking for clarity

so outside atk% buffs are ""less"" impactful

[dry kindle]

More

Tf are static bonuses

[gritty olive]

how come when you already get a slap on the face

[gritty olive]

flat atk buffs

[drifting quest]

flat atk

[gritty olive]

i usually call it flat over static for distinction since thats how i learned it in genshin

[drifting quest]

idk if there's any flat atk buffs right now

[mystic halo]

the equation is why 180 atk food is so insane

[shut cobalt]

?

[drifting quest]

ok food yeah

[dry kindle]

Dies

[drifting quest]

i was about to say if it exists its a food

[mystic halo]

ginseng my goat

[gritty olive]

she gets more sp with more will

[mystic halo]

sadly you have to kill 1 billion dogs to get the meat for the food

[drifting quest]

i keep putting off the food grind

[dry kindle]

Ok but is it op enough for endmin shatter to do trim medals

[shut cobalt]

except its intellect

[gritty olive]

idk whats the cap on that lemme check

[mystic halo]

probably

[gritty olive]

oh its intellect

[mystic halo]

it also has 11% crit

[dry kindle]

Is it

[mystic halo]

just gamble on the crit

[shut cobalt]

so i dont think its worth leveling it, is it?

[mystic halo]

didnt crit first skill? reset!

[drifting quest]

speaking like a 5% crit rate player

[dry kindle]

2,292,909 hp

[gritty olive]

wouldnt for now

[dry kindle]

Vs 7 endmin rotations

Are we fucked

(Yes we are)

[gritty olive]

im still

[dry kindle]

Bonecrusher is not saving us

[nova lance]

Best akekuri gear combo?

[shut cobalt]

got it, thanks

[dry kindle]

Ult recharge spam probably

[drifting quest]

3 frontier xiranite gloves

[mystic halo]

frontier with secondary stat

[dry kindle]

Does frontier have ult gear

[shut cobalt]

where is that food? i cant find it in my crafting list

[mystic halo]

these two peices

[nova lance]

Wut Abt for wulfguard and ardelia?

[dry kindle]

You need gingseng first

[shut cobalt]

thats... a plant?

[nova lance]

Why 2nd attribute?

[dry kindle]

Yeah

[mystic halo]

you have to reveal the recipe by acquiring ginseng and planting it in your plot

[drifting quest]

no but it has int and combo cdr

[shut cobalt]

alr, thanks

[mystic halo]

then once you harvest 50 of it you will unlock the recipe

[dry kindle]

Combo CDR on akekuri

[drifting quest]

(its cosmetic cdr for most content)

but can make farming cleaner

[dry kindle]

If it was pre nerf flares ult build would be funny

[nova lance]

Any1?

[drifting quest]

frontiers has a dmg% buff but its a bit diluted for laev

too

[dry kindle]

Wulf ultbot

[drifting quest]

3p xiranite, tide chest for ard

wulf depends on potentials

[shut cobalt]

wait, is that one auto able or is it a manual thing like many other recipes?

[dry kindle]

Just ultbot

You can't run

[dry kindle]

Semi auto

[mystic halo]

you have to make it manually

[nova lance]

0 pot

[mystic halo]

you can grow the plant auto in wuling

but you have to harvest it yourself

[nova lance]

Wut is dat

[dry kindle]

I love replanting on mobile

[shut cobalt]

but it doesnt need any mats from enemies?

[drifting quest]

if you're low invest wulf then just ult gain%
if you're high invest then bonekrusha

at p5 it just goes back to ult gain%

[dry kindle]

No one investing on wulf

[drifting quest]

dont check my account

[nova lance]

No specific gear set?

[drifting quest]

😭

[nova lance]

Just ult gain?

[dry kindle]

Nope

[mystic halo]

just take any piece with ult gain lmao

[dry kindle]

If you're funny commit to the bit and double seal

[drifting quest]

its just xiranite again

[dry kindle]

(I hate seals)

[drifting quest]

2 xiranite core, xiranite gloves, tide fall

[dry kindle]

2 redeemer seals

[mystic halo]

strictly speaking

[dry kindle]

[mystic halo]

healing set gloves are marginally better

but it's 0 difference

[drifting quest]

seals like 1% ult gain but xiranite cores have strength

[mystic halo]

21 str 🔥

[dry kindle]

Can someone flip my wuling base to 3 comp/min

I'm lazy

[drifting quest]

hey that's 42 str total

for 2% ult gain %

[mystic halo]

we going all the way up the clan with this one

[drifting quest]

and then you get more xiranite uptime copium (you dont)

[nova lance]

This looks like wulf just equips xiranitr

[dry kindle]

Do you have a damage calc I'm fuckin lazy

[mystic halo]

for what

[dry kindle]

Endfield 🗿

[mystic halo]

just do it in excel

[dry kindle]

[mystic halo]

https://media.discordapp.net/attachments/492673403594211371/1122078576091611216/IMG_4500.gif

[dry kindle]

Bleh

[drifting quest]

someone posted one i think

it was wip

i couldnt tell you who

probably still linked

[dry kindle]

In endmin dupes we trust

[mystic halo]

yeah +22 str

🔥

[drifting quest]

value

[nova lance]

For ardelia's, is it still ult gain?

Or is the treatment bonus kit better

[drifting quest]

ult gain tends to mean more healing in total

since an ult fully heals most chars anyway

[dry kindle]

Or yk

Items

Waiter waiter 30% max + 2.4k HP heal

[drifting quest]

real talk nonoword healing items what if i just run 12 energy regen items

literally why run ult gain % on laev if i can just force feed her ult charge via items

[dry kindle]

Current ones kinda ass

[drifting quest]

isnt it like 20%

when under 50

can speed up antal and/or ake ults too

[dry kindle]

20% under 50 4 times

Or 8% team

Or it was 6

Idr

[drifting quest]

i need to check the stuff to craft it

[mystic halo]

time to pay someone to kill dogs and insects for me 24hours a day

[drifting quest]

if its cheap enough ill try it for dorito i guess

[mystic halo]

cause the materials are all mob drops

[drifting quest]

cringe

[outer ermine]

dogs r cool n all but when are we getting this for more ginseng

[magic stream]

Potential electric char?

[drifting quest]

shambles

[magic stream]

Lol

[drifting quest]

2 electric chars in 1 patch

[rugged kiln]

what are the best set pieces of laeva?

[drifting quest]

assumed at least

[magic stream]

We dont have a 6 star yet

[drifting quest]

yeah but fangyi is elec too

[magic stream]

[drifting quest]

and they'll likely be in the same patch

[magic stream]

Whos fangyi?

[drifting quest]

discount shu, head of the city, leek woman, etc.

[magic stream]

Scratch that playing story nore

Anyways

As an electric team player so far

Ill keep winning

[drifting quest]

if you've saved pulls you're good

premium upgrades

[magic stream]

Ill save after gil

[dry kindle]

This is why we can't have nice things

[drifting quest]

get to spending sanity

[magic stream]

Dont care for ice gyaru

[drifting quest]

alesh

[dry kindle]

Got none

[drifting quest]

i didnt notice

sorry for your loss

[dry kindle]

🗿

[dry kindle]

Shatter

[drifting quest]

it shatters my sanity every time people pretend the team is good

[magic stream]

Sanity spent

[drifting quest]

in that respect its S tier team damage

[nova lance]

Wuts the rotation for laev team?

How do u play it?

[drifting quest]

depends which team

[dry kindle]

I mean if theyre running shatter they probably don't have much of a choice 🗿

[nova lance]

The best one

[rugged kiln]

is this the best set for laeva?

[dry kindle]

#team-build message when you do that sure

[drifting quest]

akekuri skill > wulfgard combo > laev final strike > ardelia combo > ardelia enhanced skill > laev combo
3/4 stack generator starting rotation, can be used whenever you're at 0 stacks with 200 sp in future rotations

suffering

[nova lance]

After that?

Like when to ult or smth or during ult

[drifting quest]

ult generally on cooldown, rest of the rotation depends on situation
if aoe akekuri skill can generate multiple stacks for you to enhanced skill, if sgt you can wait for ake skill to get 4th, etc etc

if you have ult then you want to line up ebs with it

[earnest hamlet]

ID:6760665145, anyone want to use turret to auto-farm wuling Energy Alluviums for infinity XP and gold? add me for friend so we can share some turret (can share friend's turret, 10 times per day)

[gritty olive]

ok this is good now i think
i can now slot in combos and finishers without the N4/N5 combo breaking

[nova lance]

Ebs?

[drifting quest]

enhanced battle skill

4 stack melting flame variant

[rugged kiln]

this is a thing?

[gritty olive]

im gonna copy this

[nova lance]

So ult when have 4 stacks

[earnest hamlet]

before level 60, you can get infinity xp and gold from killing mobs, so i plan to level up my low level characters using this farm

[gritty olive]

when is a full rotation loop happening, and separate question, how does character energy regenrate

[drifting quest]

there's like 5 ways

[earnest hamlet]

i am running out of sanity 🙁

[drifting quest]

final hit of attack sequence
killing an enemy
hitting a skill
hitting a combo
stagger strikes gives bonus energy i think(?) but dont quote me
then there's the likes of akekuri sp regen
laev has bonus energy gain on several skills

[gritty olive]

and laev needs like 300

[drifting quest]

generally every other rot should have ult

[gritty olive]

also in the "endgamemode" of endfield whats the starting energy?

[drifting quest]

i wasnt in cbt2 but from what ive heard you started at 100

i could just look it up

0

om

lied to again

[nova lance]

Wuts the current endgame mode anyway?

Rn

[dry kindle]

Factory

[gritty olive]

ill be atetmpting to simulate it on an endgame mode basis in terms of energy, and 200 SP by default

[nova lance]

Combat endgame mode

[drifting quest]

yeah its 200 sp, 0 energy

[dry kindle]

PvP on discord

[gritty olive]

[nova lance]

Wut

[dry kindle]

Y'all making 1.5 or 3 xira comps

[dry kindle]

Nice batts

💀

Are you doing 12 syringe or some shit

[drifting quest]

4 syringe, 6 (5 net) battery, 6 component

1 ferrium deposit bricks syringes so hard

[dry kindle]

Just meta storage bottles

[drifting quest]

i could, i keep being lazy about setting it up

[dry kindle]

Fym lazy

Its 3 clicks

💀

[drifting quest]

i dont have a bottle setup going in valley 4

so id have to set it up

hence lazy

[dry kindle]

That's why you metastorage

💀

Hmmmmmm

Wait how you making 6 comps 6 battery

6 comp is 2 forge

[drifting quest]

2 xiranite setups
then just feed xiranite into both

it runs negative on xiranite so you just turn components off for half the day

yields 60/min, uses 90/min

or if you want to just never touch it you run it at half efficiency and make 3/min

[dry kindle]

We don't have 4 forges

[sly nymph]

for wulfgard do u just stack ult gen on gear

[drifting quest]

1.1 giving more forges and mines

then we can unbrick wuling

[drifting quest]

low invest or p5 yes

high invest sub p5 no

[sly nymph]

is high invest hot work or what

i have r5 clannibal and p5

+essence

[drifting quest]

mdps is hot work
subdps is bonekrusha

[dry kindle]

Surely

[drifting quest]

its crashout worthy if they dont give us more

worse if they make another tier above

[outer ermine]

being gated by bp just give me the crowns

[sly nymph]

bonekrusha wadafak

[dry kindle]

We just kill our selves anyway because next region has lv90 gear

[sly nymph]

aintnoway

[drifting quest]

subdps cant proc hot work

[sly nymph]

im not even upgrading this shit then

[drifting quest]

reliably at least

[sly nymph]

i just put like 250 pieces of gear into upgrading

[drifting quest]

to maintain the uptime

you get the idea

[dry kindle]

Were gonna be in wuling for like a year

So

[charred fractal]

should i e4 my last rite party or should i ditch it and pivot to laevatein party

[sly nymph]

so not 1.1

[charred fractal]

idk how much better she is in comparison

[drifting quest]

if you're chasing meta laev
if you dont care then might as well keep going with the one you've put resources into

[sly nymph]

it cost too much to pivot

[charred fractal]

i have like

a maxxed e380 party for last rite

but the thing is e4 looks like stat sticks...

aside of mastery

[outer ermine]

just commit

[charred fractal]

guhhh its expensiv

[sly nymph]

im at e480 but not gonna lvl 90 anything for sure

just for skill upgrades

[charred fractal]

ooohhh

ig i can just e4 ardelia first

[drifting quest]

80 > 90 is a pretty fat upgrade

[charred fractal]

stat stick tho...

[drifting quest]

but not necessarily worth the resources

[charred fractal]

also idk if any of the masteries are game changing

[dry kindle]

Even if it was next patch it doesn't matter because catalysts are region locked

[charred fractal]

in arknights some of the skill masteries are, but here not so sure yet

[dry kindle]

Basically same cost as 60-80

[drifting quest]

i think 80>90 laev + wep was some 800 or so final atk increase

[charred fractal]

oh woaw

guh its making it harder for me to decide

[drifting quest]

it only matters if you're chasing endgame

so right now trimmed medals in recrisis

shouldnt matter for umbral monument

[charred fractal]

yuhh i am planning on doing the harder contents

some of the deep dive stuffs ive lowkey been skill issue on

[drifting quest]

the only lr trimmed medal ive seen was p5

(or p1 for rhodan but its rhodan)

[outer ermine]

4 but doesnt help

[dry kindle]

Whel medals

[outer ermine]

forgor it was p5 max here not 6

[drifting quest]

p0 laev can do them

p0 phys can do them too

[dry kindle]

Where my f2p

[dry kindle]

Phys:

[drifting quest]

everythings f2p if you luck sack hard enough

[rugged kiln]

which set pieces on laev?

[outer ermine]

the f2pbtw way

[drifting quest]

best pot in the game

congrats

clueful

[dry kindle]

Mfw +8%

[drifting quest]

3p hot work then either lynx slab for damage or tide chest for ult

[dry kindle]

Or was it 4

Already forgot

[drifting quest]

8%

[outer ermine]

8

[drifting quest]

vuln

[outer ermine]

big

[dry kindle]

You already add 20

[drifting quest]

only at m3

16% at sl9

[dry kindle]

Just whel for crowns

[drifting quest]

whaling to pull chars?
no we whale to pull for rebate to buy crowns

[dry kindle]

I wanna ball on rite sig

[charred fractal]

im thinking of whaling for the arsenal token pack...

[dry kindle]

But also gilb + sig

What's the convert ratio again

[outer ermine]

bruh we gotta wait for more bp missions, lv50 is hella far for next crowns

cant even whel it

[charred fractal]

is the paid bp even worth it

[dry kindle]

Can you even convert ao to weapon pulls

[dry kindle]

Yes

[charred fractal]

hm might get

im like

3 issues away from surtr sign

[dry kindle]

Its like 50 day rotation or something

[charred fractal]

ao?

[sly nymph]

can you use xiranite set on ember

[dry kindle]

The red shit

[drifting quest]

42d left on bp so yeah

[dry kindle]

Idr endfield name

[drifting quest]

50d sounds right

[charred fractal]

no you cant

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you can use op for arsenal tokens

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Were so fucked

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but not orundum

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ye op

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Yeah no I'm good

Wrong reply

Dies

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i got like

a 4 diff 6* weapon instead of surtrs sign

horrendous baits

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Highkey aids

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4% 24/75 does that

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😭

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i got 4 weapons too

im not mad

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1/4 chance to get it and still none at 4

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i guess im on the lucky side of not getting dupes....

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the wedge's at least are useful

but two white night nova man

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Idk if I ball on rite sig now

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sunk cost

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No ao to wep pulls

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• wedge

ig chivalric virtues is great on xaihi

so we cope