aic-factory

[pulsar sail]

sure it is

[bright nimbus]

That produce green sewage?

[young stag]

inert xircon is treated yes

and sewage from making xircon

[vast iron]

many people have reported this bug

unfixed as of rn

just live with it

[young stag]

slightly pmo but meh

[bright nimbus]

How does cuprium yield and usage look?

[bright nimbus]

Just making sure lol

[young stag]

does that matter

copium produces sewage and i’m not short on that

[vast iron]

any usual issues would probably cause a bigger dip ngl

[bright nimbus]

Yes bc it’s used for syringe A and batteries

[hallow summit]

For wuling factory

(I save these space for 1.2)

[shell hinge]

There's a good chance the offline bugs aren't fixed if it's due to sim simplification

Wouldn't be worth fixing

[dark furnace]

it won't be fixed, but at least make it less severe

[vast iron]

Theres probably no realistic way to fix it without additional power

since it comes from the recipe itself and not any of the transporting issues

[dark furnace]

the SC battery worsen the bug because the whole chain has multiple crucibles

[hallow summit]

I like the thing they update 1.1 version still 24 gb

[bright nimbus]

Is it the sewage bug?

[vast iron]

i see it in some way even in jincao yazhen

[hallow summit]

Same as 1.0

[vast iron]

its a fluid bug

[dark furnace]

if you look at the graphs, each liquid gets worse dent everytime they passes through a crucible

[hallow summit]

I don’t see any bugs different tho

[pulsar sail]

153->153
Testing 154

[hallow summit]

Or maybe I didn’t use fluid much

[vast iron]

Well ngl a bit hard for me since all of my fluid bars are unstable

because of the stuff im doing

[bright nimbus]

I didn’t have to experience this bug yet bc I’m doing 10sc batteries and 2 compositions thank goodness

[hallow summit]

Ya I got 12/min sc battery

[vast iron]

mostly offline so you dont see it

[uneven aspen]

need to go offlline and look at the 2 hour or 1 day AIC reports

to see the dips

[pulsar sail]

well, the bug is mostly cosmetic for the graph 🙂

[vast iron]

your workers are slacking off behind your back fr

peak corporate experience

[dark furnace]

i also got 12/m battery, but it's more like 11.8/m and it fluctuates

[bright nimbus]

Ah I see

[uneven aspen]

like it's dipping for me

also doing 10/min

[wispy grove]

Nah the bug is just made to ragebait OCD people

[hallow summit]

Maybe ran out the red block things?

[dark furnace]

slacking is expected from human, that's why we make mahcines that can work 24/7

[dark furnace]

is your xircon at 0 in depot

[vast iron]

objection: humans work faster when mining ores

[wispy grove]

Even companies won't let a single product go to waste. We are very responsible endmins

[uneven aspen]

i don't even depot xircon

[dark furnace]

man it's just hard to type on mobile while walking

[severe sleet]

Yo guys i made an AIC Report button while in Factory feedback in the feedback discussion, let's get our AIC button
https://discord.com/channels/950244160684834837/1484195046470451388

[vast iron]

also endmins dumping medicinal solutions into pools

[uneven aspen]

maybe? idk

[dark furnace]

cap-rium ore

[vast iron]

Copium ore

[uneven aspen]

hmm i should make the cuprium stuff redundant too, I do have 10 extra yield being unused

[unkempt estuary]

just say copper

[normal wasp]

I hope they add a logistics that controls how fast items would move on the transport belt

[unkempt estuary]

they are literally copper ores

[vast iron]

You do not understand the implications of this

[foggy kraken]

That's what extra belts are for tbh

[unkempt estuary]

ferrium is iron

cuprium is copper

[normal wasp]

nah thats too much work just need something like a delay thingy for items that enters the belt

[tawny bear]

technically ferrium is a ferromagnet, for all we know it could be a mix of iron and cobalt

[vast iron]

under the assumptions of this, jincao tea is now a health hazard.

[hallow summit]

Ferrium is crystal isnt?

[pulsar sail]

What ?

[wispy grove]

Whats originium then

[vast iron]

magik

[hallow summit]

Stone

[pulsar sail]

originium is the whole plot of arknight

[tawny bear]

cuprium is probably like aluminum or something, cuz it needs water to be processed

[tawny bear]

a health hazard

[pulsar sail]

but, Fe = iron , as in the periodic table, and fer in french is iron

[tawny bear]

oh god dont remind me

satisfactory numbers don't mix well, it's a pain to get 100% yield efficiency

[pulsar sail]

omg don't launch me on fluid mechanich in satisfactory, the trauma

[tawny bear]

don't get me started on depot overflow

[foggy kraken]

Hmm kind of makes me think we'll get more interesting combinations in the future if we get gold, silver, and titanium.

[wispy grove]

Cancer rock

[tawny bear]

orange uranium

[foggy kraken]

Crazy how amethyst pretty much has no value after valley. And Cryston literally has no use

[pulsar sail]

I wonder if you can mine the victim of oripathy

[small creek]

does anyone here do priority flow

i have a question abt it

[tawny bear]

lay a finger on lifeng and you're gonna bear a mountain

[tawny bear]

i never touched up on priority flow, too complicated =3=

wish they had a priority splitter

that way if i overflow on xiranite i can wire it to components or sumthing

[vast iron]

https://discord.com/channels/950244160684834837/1476003772890218638

[small creek]

i think the basic principle is that if something is clogged, it wont take anymore so it will split the rest to the others

[small creek]

oh shit

okay but i need pipe version tho 😭

[tawny bear]

i don''t get it >.>

[uneven aspen]

So pipe splits to path A and path B.

you clog up path A so liquid can't move through so it will go to path B instead.

[vast iron]

its not intended interactions

[small creek]

man i am just gonna send my problem here and hope u guys can confirm my thoughts

[pulsar sail]

go ahead

[small creek]

values are sewage/min
assuming this is a 6/min SCW batt design running at half efficiency (3/min), are the values correct?

[uneven aspen]

cant tell if that .25 or .75

[small creek]

sry 0.25

paint bad

[pulsar sail]

can you make a BP and send the black and white view ? that's easier (for me) to see the splitter/bridge?

[small creek]

hollup

[tawny bear]

would help to know which reactor does what >.>

[uneven aspen]

i don't get where the right side gets sewage from

[small creek]

left crucible and conduit output sewage

the two right crucibles use sewage

[sand pivot]

@wispy grove I logged in, no clogs, sewage is at 0 on all machines we gucci

[small creek]

i cant exactly show what each reactor does since theyre turned off

[uneven aspen]

like this?

[small creek]

whats that green

[uneven aspen]

showing where the sewage flows from left to right

[small creek]

the sewage is from the 2 0.5s on the left

[uneven aspen]

oh wait that's a bridge in tehmiddle im blind

[small creek]

idk what that green part you put is

[quasi locust]

i made a clogging sensor for my 10/min sewage tap out so if either cuprium part or sewage bottle clogged, the xircon line will return to 60/min (from 55/min xircon for 1/min comp)

[pulsar sail]

corrected in blue, if you only want 0.25 you need another splitter and merge the 2 ouput together

[quasi locust]

guess which line clogged

[small creek]

we're talking priority flow right?

the clogging from reduced sewage use will just make it 0.25 wont it

[pulsar sail]

ok, but which one are you "clogging"

[small creek]

im clogging both

its half efficiency

at first its 0.5 then when the sewage clogs, it spits 0.25 back out

so final 0.25

[red saffron]

Mda.... difficult . Factories - very difficult . It's easier to take from the Internet, everything seems to work at the beginning . And then everything breaks .

[pulsar sail]

mmh, if the top right one clogs it sends everything (1) to the right, but in that case 1 in, and 1 out in the treatment, so it's not really an issue of priority really here

[wispy grove]

How much xiranite liquid left?

[sand pivot]

50 on all machines

like fully clogged on liq xira

but it's not slowing the production cause it's getting enough sewage to produce every 2s

[upper fiber]

oh they really fixed the sewage?

[small creek]

wdym 1 in 1 out

[blissful lily]

1.1 Is there a Max Factory code available for Wuling on the European server?🤔

[upper fiber]

i think mine is not enough sewage now... they decreased it too much

[pulsar sail]

you have 1 "in" from the left, that line goes in the the 2 crucible and finish in the treatment unit right ?

[small creek]

yes

2 crucible first then treatment last

[wispy grove]

Hows your aic report

Show the 30mins

[marble yarrow]

POGGERS

[small creek]

13?

are u hacking

[marble yarrow]

proof of crazy offline shi

[young stag]

weird ass aic bug

[sand pivot]

2h vs 30min

[upper fiber]

2hrs still dip down

[sand pivot]

fluctuations are inevitable

the idle algorithm is ass

[marble yarrow]

when are we gonna protest the offline shi

[wispy grove]

Dang stable

[sand pivot]

they don't care unless you're a whale ngl

[wispy grove]

What in the world

[tawny bear]

couldhave it look smth like this :v

[blissful lily]

1.1 Is there a Max Factory code available for Wuling on the European server?

[small creek]

but this isnt priority flow anymore

this is just regular splitting

[pulsar sail]

I think that is safer

[tawny bear]

I was a master at balancing in satisfactory B3

i could split 11 into 4 and 7

[small creek]

now the left will never clog because you forced 0.5 outward

okay but this doesnt accomplish what i need it to

[tawny bear]

o u want it to clog

that makes ur setup make more sense

[small creek]

the 0.5 is supposed to come out on its own by clogging

[tawny bear]

i see the vision now

i think ur numbers r right

[pulsar sail]

my issue with clogging is that if there is a single bug you will send more than 0.5 in the treatment, clogging your entire line

[sand pivot]

wym by that? if you want 2 batteries and 1 syringe A I can give you that

[marble yarrow]

@small creek what SC rate are you producing?

[small creek]

well we just love bugs dont we

[sand pivot]

so far it's pretty stable and it only uses 1 battery per minute

[tawny bear]

boy do i have the blueprints for you

[small creek]

rn? 10.5

[pulsar sail]

speaking of, 154 input offline => 154

so the breakdown is 155

[marble yarrow]

ahh, 4.5+6
1.5 + 3 + 3 + 3?

[tawny bear]

funny way to count it but u got it right >.>

[pulsar sail]

so if my theory is correct if I setup a 620 "expected output" and go offline I should get only 616

[small creek]

uhhhhhh

4.5+6 yes

[marble yarrow]

wait lmaoo

[subtle finch]

I finally figured out why my setup doesn't make sewage buildup, I have zero excess treatment unit too. it all has to do with sewage loopback. basically if a crucible manage to delete its input/output in any stage of the process, no extra sewage is produced

[wispy grove]

Let me see your sewage factory again

[small creek]

why tf did u split that 😭

[marble yarrow]

i misnumbered the reactors lmaoo

maybe 15 + 30 + 30 + 30 better

[small creek]

i dont even know what those numbers mean

[sand pivot]

I am assuming you mean this

[marble yarrow]

1 reactor is half rate, other 3 at full

the xircon effluent production

[small creek]

oh i dont talk in reactor

cant wrap my head around xircon

but i will deal with sewage

[sand pivot]

I need to empty the first crucible on the right

[marble yarrow]

should've used my auto sewage manager

https://media.discordapp.net/attachments/1461541796977967289/1483090075490193458/Endfield_2026-03-16_21-10-02.mp4?ex=69bd4744&is=69bbf5c4&hm=755658d6d76a87352a5b9c13c6b446ddf9ecccb443782fae4817f6c9a1757e80&

[sand pivot]

I think I started filling it with sewage before liquid xiranite and that's why it's clogged

but it's working fine

let me just unclog it rq

for testing purposes

[small creek]

i honestly dont get how this is auto

isnt that splitter just strictly splitting into 1/3 and 2/3

[marble yarrow]

it forcefully makes the reactor full of sewage, then sends the rest to the treatment

[tawny bear]

i lowkey think i made the smallest xircon factory line ever, i have yet to see anyone else reach 25x13
-# yahzen [A] is also pretty small but i doub't it's the smallest

[small creek]

hmmmmmm

[wispy grove]

my crucibles doesnt match offline and my current

[small creek]

you can forcefully make the reactor clog tho

[marble yarrow]

if it cannot go to the reactor, all will go to treatment

[small creek]

with just 1 splitter?

[wispy grove]

I should be sseing lower liquid xiranite

[marble yarrow]

yeah

[pulsar sail]

I use a similar loop, that perfect and hasn't clog once

[vast iron]

idt many ppl make xircon independently

[marble yarrow]

if the 2 paths of the splitter is full, the path that goes to treatment eats all excess

[small creek]

like idk, doesnt this accomplish the same thing

just load the pipe full of sewage

[tawny bear]

i probably cheat with conduits =3=

[small creek]

wait thats xiranite

[marble yarrow]

(bruh just consider the good animation)

[wispy grove]

My 1st battery factory got atleast 5liquid xiranite build up within an hour, while my 2nd battery factory lost 5 liquid xiranite liquid what in the world

[small creek]

okay i like it

[upper fiber]

uh we get 1% more for ore huh

[small creek]

it looks funny

random ass black beam

[sand pivot]

nope I just tested it, the first reactor always becomes full on sewage, but the refineries don't seem to be clogging somehow

[pulsar sail]

it allow the line to work even if some sewage is not coming from the main input (like when you get missing ouput when offline)

[marble yarrow]

my 12/min sewage escape

[pulsar sail]

personnaly my loop doesn't feed back to the crucible but in the main incoming sewage

[wispy grove]

No, your red line takes 1/2 split of sewage between treatment and crucible, the pipes shows only 1/3 reaches the treatment plant

[small creek]

i conclude that there are just layers to ts

[marble yarrow]

but yeah all these shi and it cannot prevent the innate offline facility behavior

[small creek]

uh i dont even know how to explain that thats not how it actually works

[tawny bear]

imagine if sc batteries needed 90/min xircon :v

[small creek]

i am still learning prio flow

[uneven aspen]

since being shown the concept of controlling input without protocol stash 1-2 days ago. I got 2 questions.

1. Are these setups correct? It goes 30,25,20,15,10/min

2. is 5/min possible?

[wispy grove]

Then its good as long as ur refineries arent clogged, youre fine.just let us know if theres a sewage build up again after couple of days

[small creek]

wow

oh wait i have an image for you

[leaden drift]

Just take from a different output of the 25

[sand pivot]

yeah I am looking and refineries are good

[subtle finch]

hope someone actually read this. tl;dr. if you loop back your sewage from crucible, the crucible deleting items while offline also delete the sewage buildup from imbalance

[small creek]

idk if this image is accurate

should be 5

[marble yarrow]

5/min = 1/6th (yes)

[small creek]

but i have no idea how this works

[marble yarrow]

thats 6/min (1/5th)

[small creek]

💀

im gonna jump

[leaden drift]

You divide by 3 then divide one of the branches by two

That should give 5

[sand pivot]

it's still strange af though

[small creek]

nuh uh

[sand pivot]

I have the exact same setups, the one on the right clogs on sewage in the first crucible, the one on the right is fine

[leaden drift]

Ive had a crucible make xiranite and diffusion in the same crucible

[uneven aspen]

which one? tbh i tried for like 10 minutes couldnt figure it out

[sand pivot]

1 no sewage

2 with 50 sewage

[leaden drift]

If u want it on 3 wide I would go

[sand pivot]

it's like 2 is receiving more sewage input than 1 but it's impossible cause both 1 and 2 have the same setups 💀

[wispy grove]

Which scenario happened to you

[leaden drift]

Converter one belt into splitter, then 3 belts from the splitter with two feeding back into the converter then a belt then another spliter

At work cant really show it in factory

[wispy grove]

Didnt you say earlier befor eu sleep you forgot to connect the pipes of the xiranite liquid?

[sand pivot]

yeah but I emptied the crucible to 0 rn

to test it

and it still filled up

that's the weird part

could be maybe accumulated sewage on the pipes/ inlets/ outlets?

[wispy grove]

The xiranite crucible is building up liquid ziranite before you connected it

[sand pivot]

it is

I just checked

the outlet has 300 sewage built up on it

I need to get rid of that

[uneven aspen]

something like this?

[sand pivot]

to see if the setup works

[subtle finch]

all. like others have said, crucibles can randomly delete items

[sand pivot]

but in theory it should cause the one on the right is working perfectly

[marble yarrow]

no, thats incorrect, you are doubling the rate of inflow of that 2nd converger

[pulsar sail]

I'm in the process of testing 620 item in 1 crucible, if I have 616 output that confirms that the crucible while offline "eat" 1/155 items (probably will need to make a few more test as I didn't logoff exactly when the production started, but 620 x 2s is a bit long)

[quasi locust]

also a 1/6

[wispy grove]

Your ideal scenario. Crucible 3 and 4 recieves 1.5 sewage each? (1from refinery and 1 from crucible 5 split?)

[leaden drift]

This shouldn't work

[uneven aspen]

hmm will try this

[marble yarrow]

[sand pivot]

yeah, fixed it @wispy grove

[uneven aspen]

yeah mb i don't really get it, just been experimenting until something works

[small creek]

i think i got it

[sand pivot]

it was just sewage built up on the outlet from not connecting the liquid xiranite yday

[wispy grove]

Ohh

What are the numbers

[jovial breach]

Oh shit not the ifrit lane

[sand pivot]

wym?

[subtle finch]

crucible 3 get it from refinery, crucible 4 from crucible 5, it can flip but it doesnt matter, it's 1 sewage each

[sand pivot]

like in terms of sewage?

0 sewage and 50 liq xiranite

[wispy grove]

I see

[marble yarrow]

beefy marsh gas

[small creek]

idk if this makes sense

[wispy grove]

And your xiranite crucible?

[sand pivot]

50 xira, 50 water, 50 liq xira

[leaden drift]

Cant get on to show

[sand pivot]

50 liq xira cause it built up yesterday too

no actually 50 liq xiranite cause it's just clogged

[wispy grove]

Was it all 50 when you go offline earlier?

[sand pivot]

yeah

[wispy grove]

Until now ? Or it got less liquid xiranite inside?

[sand pivot]

for some reason the effluent crucibles are not using liq xiranite on time

like I am currently producing more liq xira than I am using for effluent

[wispy grove]

So the recipe is the issue?

[sand pivot]

it seems so

I wonder if I could only use 3 crucibles for liq xiranite production

and split one of the lines in 2

one of the pipes

[wispy grove]

Others tried that earlier

They're still on offline testing

[sand pivot]

that way I could potentially make a very inneficient components production line

[wispy grove]

They wanna do it for 12 hrs offline

[sand pivot]

it'd lower my yazhen to 4/min

but that's not terrible

this suggests I am producing more liq xira than the machines are actually using up

[wispy grove]

Ill be off for 8 hrs later to test my forbidden sewage filter

[uneven aspen]

stops working after a while.

[uneven aspen]

will try this,ty for takign the time

[wispy grove]

[sand pivot]

so your issue is on the sewage?

like are you getting more sewage input than you're using?

[wispy grove]

I stopped overfeeding xiranite

[sand pivot]

oh I see I see

[wispy grove]

I got back to 2 belts

But in your case just continue the process since your doing well

[leaden drift]

@uneven aspen gray and purple are spliters weird gray blue with green are converters

[sand pivot]

I will maybe add a line from my liq xiranite to a water treatment station

to confirm the theory of whether or not the crucibles could work on 3 liq xiranite input

1.5 each

[wispy grove]

What i can expect is your xiranite crucible will have lower than 50 liquid xiranite inside after doing offline testing

Thats my hypothesis

[jovial breach]

What on earth in looking at

[sand pivot]

pain in the ass 😭

[leaden drift]

A 5 output

[sand pivot]

a minecraft skin on the making

[marble yarrow]

https://klipy.com/gifs/creeper-creeper-explosion

[leaden drift]

Just trying my best without being able to get on the game

Lol

[wispy grove]

Thats a splitter and 2 convergers aligned and one splitter on the right side

[sand pivot]

the factory must grow blow!

[leaden drift]

Nah its a converger into two spliters

[leaden drift]

And a converger on the side

[quasi locust]

ah let me check again

[wispy grove]

How tf you put converger first?

Where is that going again?

[leaden drift]

The black box is the depot unloader

[tawny bear]

somethin like this yea?

[leaden drift]

Yuh

[wispy grove]

Oh right you wanna delay

Okay

[uneven aspen]

looks like it works. Needed converger at the input no belt.

[leaden drift]

Zombie wanted 5 belt

[jovial breach]

That's a 5/min isnt it

[leaden drift]

Yeah

[jovial breach]

Now make a 6/min belt

[pulsar sail]

lol

[leaden drift]

Lol

[wispy grove]

Can you make 1per 3min belt😌

[tawny bear]

oh that's easy! gimme one quickeroonie

[jovial breach]

Not as easy as it sounds

[quasi locust]

bro 😭

[wispy grove]

How many blocks would that make

[jovial breach]

Shhhh

[leaden drift]

Yeah it isnt lol

[dark furnace]

yo how are tests going

[uneven aspen]

spacing between convergers messes things up

which is why the belt distancing between convergers and splitters matter

[wispy grove]

Me me

Me next

1/min and 0.33/min belt😌

Thats too unreal

[jovial breach]

That's just 5/min

[wispy grove]

6 per min means 10 blocks

Dang

1 per min means 60 blocks

Oh not

[tawny bear]

o woops i miscounted =3=

[wispy grove]

6 per min is 5 blocks cause it takes 2 secs per block🤔

[jovial breach]

1/min is 1/30

[wispy grove]

Can you even clog that enough to reach 1/ min🥹

[uneven aspen]

i love this no need for loader/protocols tash the excess belt setups

so i have 25/min 20/min 15/min 10/min 5/min, any other /min that might be useful?

[wispy grove]

1/min

For comps

[pulsar sail]

that's not exactly the same thing, as you want a single output, but I don't know if you send the output back to the input, I guess it could work, with 1 additional merger...

[tawny bear]

splitters how i love you

[uneven aspen]

yeah for some reason I can actually get this as sending the excess away

[tawny bear]

hold on i made a graph of my own ages ago

[uneven aspen]

it's doing it all in 1 lane that's bothering me

[wispy grove]

Make it 1/60

[pulsar sail]

yeah in endfield this is more a "delayer" than a ratio splitter that we need

[tawny bear]

#558721941410807812 message

it's incredibly inefficient considering u can't build vertical splitters like in satisfactory =3=

[pulsar sail]

yeah

[tawny bear]

speaking of thank god they added vertical splitters, now i can compress setups to glorious cubez

[pulsar sail]

mouahahaha https://math.stackexchange.com/questions/3725571/the-satisfactory-conveyor-problem-how-to-calculate-required-splitting-and-mergi that article

[dark furnace]

or instead replace all corner belts to splitter or converger

[quasi locust]

@uneven aspen ah i think i figured out the issue. i was relying on the converger interaction whereby when it's stuck directly to the depot, it would prioritize the input from belt

[uneven aspen]

yeah mb i just noticed that was important

i had 1 belt then converger when testign yours

[quasi locust]

when not put right next to depot, it may receive excess from the input belt and jam

[uneven aspen]

it worked fine if at depot

[dark furnace]

so many S & M

[marble yarrow]

ballin

[uneven aspen]

do the planters make them spawn together?

[dark furnace]

they trap enemies inside

[marble yarrow]

kinda? they all spawn inside

[fluid fog]

Roast On-site.

[dark furnace]

i think only the wuling one has 2 jelly fish spawning quite far from center

[pulsar sail]

on the last level?

[uneven aspen]

more of the enemies spawn in 4 areas grouped away from each other

couldn't figure out a way to spawn camp them all

with fire turrets

the flying enemies will barely move

so if you're not on them with a turret they take forever to move and die

and sometimes the ground enemies will teleport in front of you, so you gotta stand a certain area where they will teleport in range of turrets.

the 2 big enemies just plant 4 fire towers on them

they go down to 10% health left then move

usually 2-3 sentry towers can finish them off

[hidden mural]

Hi, can someone provide me with an optimised wuling base update

[pulsar sail]

#1461542035617091681 there are lots of eu or asia exemples here

usually you will need the max region level and all ore

[hidden mural]

Any recommendations?

[pulsar sail]

not really, I didn't try them (trying to make my own)

[hidden mural]

Yeah it's lvl 9

[pulsar sail]

#1483099341668483162 message this one has a video

630 Expected output => 623 real output, it's worse than I feared

[fluid fog]

Crucible input for solid materials doesn't alternate insert.

[upper fiber]

if it has space, yeah

[fluid fog]

it will just clogged other insert input when its full.

I call it bullshit, since I cant balance the lane now.

[solid bane]

Does it even block the mobs tho? I tried with pipe splitter, i cant walk thru but the mobs can

[upper fiber]

my yazhen powder can still go in when my jincao powder clogged

[fluid fog]

that clogged sign doesn't accept materials or not even alternating. its just stops.

[subtle finch]

https://youtu.be/YD9hMxogphI
here's proof of how not to sewage clog while offline, with only the minimum 6 water treatment. there's an explanation at the end.

[bright zodiac]

honestly, it looks really bad and ugly

just do 15 tower setup with battery (even LC v4 batt works)

i used 6 fragger 2 beam 1 omni 1 marsh 5 sentry

every spawn die within 3-7s they spawn including smasher

[marble yarrow]

planters does

maybe protocol stashes also

[solid bane]

Is it only specific units? I think ive tried with relay tower, they then stand inside the relay hahahaha

[leaden drift]

Is this to prevent sewage clog of the refinery?

[bright zodiac]

how bad is the clog if left for too long? like the deficit of the production

now that i notice there is some sewage clog, and also found that my cuprium 120yield 121usage reasoning (i used to Have 58K, been a week and im losing 2K now to 56K)

[subtle finch]

basically yes.

[narrow garden]

what are the simplest production lines out of buck a, citrome c, hc battery

[leaden drift]

Ah I think im running it where I dont care if one side of the xiracon production clogs

But the other side of mine has a pipe spliter and converger system

[subtle finch]

clog happens because of deficit in production in the first place, crucible is deleting output randomly. this will just cascade to more deficit in produciton if you reached your fluid limits

[leaden drift]

Because its made to clog in general

[marble yarrow]

jankiest graph

good thing i fixed mine already

[bright zodiac]

eh? just to the point, 8ferrium 2plant 2sandleaf for any A

4amethyst 1plant for C and B (or ferrium)

6ori4ferri2sandleaf for HC

[leaden drift]

This is basically what im doing

[narrow garden]

i mean like ranked by production line size

citrome, buck. battery? smallest to largest?

[leaden drift]

Super jank

[marble yarrow]

final boss

[leaden drift]

The spike is the meta transfer lol

But the copium comps is based on xiranite overflow

[fluid fog]

smoothes I can get so far...

[bright zodiac]

eh what? not quite clear what you are asking tbh

for perfect note in v4, you will end up with

24 Meds C (8 amethyst)
18 Meds A and 18 HC
18ori 36 ferrium)

[marble yarrow]

my smoothest 2hr

(full 2hr offline)

[narrow garden]

i want the least amount of buildings placed to max out the amount of bills outposts are able to make

[solid bane]

Is there any reason production is stable while online and then dip a little bit while offline? I see that my xircon dip a little every few minutes when logged on.

[fluid fog]

I thins point, I have a issue to unload solid materials vs Liquid...

[nova quest]

Hi guys. I should double my SC WuLing battery instead of yazhen syringe C right? Cuz I feel used alot of resources...

[quasi locust]

if you meant comparing the 3, which one has a bigger footprint, C would be the smallest, then battery and finally A

[marble yarrow]

you can double and still produce yazhen C

[narrow garden]

tyty

[bright zodiac]

i see now, it should be somewhere

18 Meds A and 9 HC iirc

so you can put everything extra to make something else

[nova quest]

True. Doesn't clash.

[solid bane]

Those goes hand in hand, you dont need to lower production of one to increase another's output

[nova quest]

I feel yazhen C should sell the same as SC batt. So complicated and so many spaces used up

[narrow garden]

yeah i dont rlly care about maxing out the resources i can use since we're capped by outpost production rate anyways

[nova quest]

Btw, I see we can use 2 type materials to build gold gear. Which you guys suggest? Xiranite or Caprium component?

[subtle finch]

I kept a backup of 900+ xircon before going offline, now my depot is empty, crucible deleting items is a big deal

[solid bane]

Depends on which character you use, older character xiranite, tang2 and rossi prolly will use cuprium

[solid bane]

Whats that? Happen to me too

[bright zodiac]

well, in your case its gonna be easier, isnt it? just copy paste

single meds A, single HC, to your liking, there are many variation but most are usually quite compact

also, i almost reach 80K everything in v4 since i min max the production as well

[marble yarrow]

the lone conduit in my outpost

[quasi locust]

@narrow garden my bp footprint for reference

footprint wouldn't be an issue if you have all the area expansion upgrade tho

[narrow garden]

middle is bucka /citrome a?

[bright zodiac]

i have 58K xiranite component and 26K cuprium component rn

honestly, most ppl will probably spent like 2K - 10K , no more than that. also depends on how max u want to artifice

[narrow garden]

the issue is laziness i wanna build as little as i have to

[wispy grove]

My bp is always zoomed in. How do u do that seeing the whole factory not just part?

Needs smaller?

[fathom glade]

do y'all also do something like this?

[quasi locust]

sry i can't tell, i don't think the zoom is adjustable. maybe it's the screen resolution?

[fathom glade]

Using the same refinery to make two products, using the same gearing unit to alternate between two products

[quasi locust]

yeah

[wispy grove]

[narrow garden]

whats the max amount of battery i can make?

[bright zodiac]

18

[quasi locust]

[uneven aspen]

interesting idea, does it alternate?

[narrow garden]

18 lines?

[fathom glade]

it does

[bright zodiac]

18/m HC battery
18/m meds A
24/m meds C

unless you are Asia, my BP wont work for you

[fathom glade]

it perfectly alternates between each component, producing a bleed feed of 0.5/min of each component

[narrow garden]

ohhh tyty

[fathom glade]

which aligns with my 11/min SC wuling production to make 120/120 xiranite yield/consumption

learnt it from a friend who copied a jp player

phenomenal idea, also saves like 25 power lol

the other crazy one is linking your yazhen and your liq xiranite production, since each process can be performed parallel in the same crucible

saving 50 power a pop

[warped delta]

Unless you're about to go over to another battery, why does it matter?

[fathom glade]

i just wanted to note, it's pretty damn cool

[dark furnace]

they are edging with 1 SC + 1 valley

[quasi locust]

if you are into power savings, may i propose replacing water treatment unit with filling unit?

[dark furnace]

so many labour work

[fathom glade]

filling unit? i don't think i have enough bottle production to fit lol

[bright zodiac]

now make use the most prestigious bottle on top of it

a "cryston bottle"

[quasi locust]

you save 30W but need to dump the waste daily

[bright zodiac]

(i have 80K)

[fathom glade]

that... sounds painful

[dark furnace]

one more thing for dailies? no thanks

besides if you forgot to dump one day, the cuprium is gonna clog

[bright zodiac]

i will eventually fill up the bottle, the one click seems easy to do

[narrow garden]

ahh so i should go for 18 buck a and 18 battery

max v4 outpost bill production=1992 bills/minute
cost of batteries = 525 bills/minute
total needed 2517 bills/minute

36*70 = 2520 bills/minute

[quasi locust]

[bright zodiac]

honestly

just , move on quick to wuling

[dark furnace]

might as well just place 10 fluild tanks in series for the excess sewage, that's 5000 units total, select all, copy, stash the 10 fluid tanks, then paste new to dump all sewage at once

[narrow garden]

thats the goal

[bright zodiac]

@narrow garden trust me, if you just reach v4 final place and want to be done with it

most ppl will just place down those triple HC , triple meds A and call it done. (most ppl)

[dark furnace]

even saved the energy for filling unit

[narrow garden]

each citrome a/hc battery production line makes 6 resource/minute right

okay sounds good

[bright zodiac]

yea like i said, its just copy paste , how much production, is your choice

each are 6/m

[stoic prairie]

xiranite's maximum output as of now is at 120/min right?

Shit man

[quasi locust]

i have heard someone doing that but that's too manual for me 🤣

[dark furnace]

i mean you want to save as much energy as possible

[winter ingot]

the problem is the hard limit of the Forges in the sky

[dark furnace]

what's your setup

why is it 67

funny number

[solid bane]

Do we even need to save energy? Its not like 12/m sc and 6/m yazhen isnt enough to cover daily credits

[dark furnace]

short answer: we dont

people who save energy is for entertainment and achievement

[solid bane]

Ahahaha i see

[marble yarrow]

i save energy coz i have HC and LC in wuling, so the more i save, the longer supply lasts

[bright zodiac]

its either....

1 SC wuling player

1 SC wuling 1 LC wuling player

or

1 SC wuling + 1 LC v4 / 1 SC v4 player

power is really tight

[quasi locust]

true. actually i am feeding 1/3 bottle (10/min) to the filling unit for tapping sewage and control xircon line (11/min SC), so for my case i only need to do it once every 4 days

[dark furnace]

meanwhile me with 3/m SC

too lazy

[bright zodiac]

holy thats expensive battery

[solid bane]

Same

[bright zodiac]

2 SC wuling is already huge tho

[dark furnace]

3/m translate to 2 SC

[bright zodiac]

oh, yes

[dark furnace]

40s per one

[bright zodiac]

i thought u need 9K power for some reason

[dark furnace]

to power a bar

[marble yarrow]

me on 1 LC, 1 HC, 3 originium

[solid bane]

I maybe would be inclined to do that if we can actually sell more items or there is no credits limit

[bright zodiac]

i can do that but i dont want to

I have 58K LC wuling (dont want to Spent and sold) , almost every V4 item at 80K too

[dark furnace]

the reason why I am not edging because whenever I see something interesting I would try, and so the power use fluctuate a lot

[final escarp]

Ok Bois 500 xircon effluent in each tank and 500 ferrium powder in total
We all know there's gonna be less than 500 Xircon and sewage produced let's be real

[dark furnace]

offline or online test?

[storm junco]

I have a question if you use up those 120 cuprium.. do the cuprium will cap over time?

[uneven aspen]

oh wow im actually curious about this one

[bright zodiac]

why no one report this sewage issue on feedback tho?

[uneven aspen]

was wondering if i need 3 xircon reactors or 2 is fine

like if it's only the reactors making liquids messing up

[storm junco]

Can you recycle back inert xircon into sewage?

[bright zodiac]

if you have income 120 and you spent 120

how much you have now?

[dark furnace]

the problem is not sewage but crucible eating up your input and doesn't output anything

[storm junco]

So it won't decrease or increase?

[uneven aspen]

yeah im kinda worried this will fail

[final escarp]

Offline

[uneven aspen]

currently building up liquid xiranite in fluid tanks

then will try

[dark furnace]

the crucible bug affected the efficiency of liquid xiranite production, so the input of liquid xiranite and sewage is not 1:1 for the xircon eff crucible, and that's how sewage clogs up gradually

[final escarp]

Waddya mean?

[bright zodiac]

yes

exact input output, usually same with xiranite too

except... in very very specific setup sewage stuff, you might be encounter stuff like me

120 yield 119and121usage

that will leads to eventually super small decrease over time my hoarded cuprium

[tawny bear]

inchresting

i wanna see ur setup

[storm junco]

I wonder if you can treat inert xircon

[subtle finch]

no, inert has no use

[bright zodiac]

but what about most issue of offline and sewage clog? it also related and all in one about that crucible too

[stoic prairie]

I think the problem is with the water system

🗣️

[storm junco]

Can you put in a. Bottle thou

[stoic prairie]

but am too lazy to fix it soo

here we are

gotta check first if its broken

[uneven aspen]

it's 5 xircon effu to 1 conduit, so it should stop at 2/min

[final escarp]

Yes I think u can I've miswired a setup before

[bright zodiac]

and have anyone post smthg about it? it needs recognition tbh

[uneven aspen]

the 5th one should only activate if offline desync removes a few xirconeffu from the other 4

[storm junco]

I mean not by water treatment facilities

[subtle finch]

I made a PSA about it
#aic-factory message

[storm junco]

They said water treatment only work at 50% on other stuff

[uneven aspen]

if xircon reactor loses output I will need to make a 3rd xircon reactor using the 5th xireffu one and then only yield the right amount to battery maker line . . .

[solid bane]

Inert xircon has no use currently, possibly future updates will have use.

[storm junco]

Beside sewage

[quasi locust]

personally i don't think it's a uniquely reactor issue

[dark furnace]

the reason why crucible is the most severe because the production chain involves multiple of it, with input clog causing other machines to clog too (we used to just store in depot if they clog). This problem exist even in valley4, if you ever notice your depot has stuffs gradually increasing despite supposed to be used 1:1

[uneven aspen]

new explosives, bigger radius would put them to good use

[bright zodiac]

i have my own super perfect build design, its Beautiful and compact and symmetry (21x18) xircon

i dont want to workaround it, i know biggger size, branch pipe will do the solution but....

isnt it smthg the dev should fix

ill post my BP soon

[subtle finch]

i think people have those origocrust to dust loop, and there's no report of those getting deleted

[bright zodiac]

well, i aint changing my beautiful base

[tawny bear]

i have a setup that won't have sewage clog ever B3

[uneven aspen]

I'ved fixed sewage, xircon effu reactors at 50 sewage + 1000 in conduits as priority, then excess to treatment.

It's the liquid xiranite -> xircon effu-> xircon losing output even when sewage is fixed to not clog

[storm junco]

You cam put that shiet in a bottle

[bright zodiac]

post it, u all will have my upvote

gonna bring all my ally to upvote it too

[storm junco]

Imagine pumping all those inert into the pool

[uneven aspen]

opps forgot video showing it. The right side is all sewage conduits to the 4 xircon effu reactors

[dark furnace]

yea this solves the clog without priority flow, but the production of xircon and battery fluctuates a lot

[quasi locust]

i have seen my forges increases in xiranite buildup and reduce in stabilized carbon after going offline for extended time (the depot isn't capped on xiranite). not sure if it's a net positive (i get extra xiranite/min) or net negative (it clogs) tho

[uneven aspen]

leftside is all cuprium refiners and xircon reactor sewage which is at 0 sewage

[dark furnace]

rn I am trying to make xircon production super flat for all durations

[storm junco]

Is there unlimited sewage resources in this game?

[bright zodiac]

yea i mean ive seen it since day 3 of 1.1 till now

and if i found that feedback thread, ill definitely help push it 😂👍

[dark furnace]

ignoring the login bug though

[solid bane]

You can get that from refining cuprium ore

[thorn pike]

this is not Endmin, it won't be super flat

[dark furnace]

cuprium production is for 1/s

[storm junco]

Not refining

But natural sewage pool

[winter ingot]

I identified the following issues with reading the factory graphs:

• self sufficient plant production messes up the graph
• graph don't ignore the ores already mined, but not yet transported to AIC storage, which messes with assumptions when trying to optimize (it shows 0 in AIC storage, but ore keeps coming in at the same rate until then don't after a while)

[subtle finch]

try the genshin discord

[storm junco]

Where i can dump all the sewage into sewage

[tawny bear]

u get 30/min sewage per 30/min cuprium, so the max u can get is 120/min

[dark furnace]

there is one bottom right corner of qingbo, there is a chest into the pool

[solid bane]

Uh, there is one, not unlimited, but has 800 sewage units, just... a little far

[dark furnace]

not infinite though

it only has like 800 units

[solid bane]

Yeah hahaha

[dark furnace]

[storm junco]

Not by refining

[dark furnace]

the worst part is that after you pumped it you can't dump it back

[tawny bear]

the sewage pool only has 800 units, it'll run out before your 20th sc wuling battery :v

[solid bane]

You can route the sewage to crucible to make xircon affluent

[thorn pike]

ah yes infinite orientation and shipping drama

[tawny bear]

good luck with that lul :V

[storm junco]

Hmm

[thorn pike]

using the :v icon

are you Nguyen

[tawny bear]

no but i am queer

[storm junco]

Can you turn back xircon into xyrantie?

[bright zodiac]

ssssh, dont tell him

[solid bane]

You cant

[thorn pike]

can you turn me back into a young guy

i have backpain

[solid bane]

Hahahah

[storm junco]

Can you go back to genshin server and die

[blissful lily]

The 1.1 update—which actually runs properly and at 100% efficiency—lacks factory code; the existing code is completely nonsensical, and most of it is broken.

[storm junco]

As focaloe

[bright zodiac]

im not kidding i have 10K-58K facility, if they LET "dismantle" option (into resource)

imagine how much resource i could instantly get back

[quasi locust]

58k facility??

[blissful lily]

I need working factory codes for the Wuling 1.1 (European server).

[bright zodiac]

electric pylon and relay at wuling

[open wind]

#1461542035617091681

[storm junco]

If you cycle back sewage water into another crucible

[bright zodiac]

back before 1.1 and whenever i have excess originium when split slightly production into xiranite component

[storm junco]

Yup there no way to dump inert xircon

Except water treatment

[solid bane]

Water treatment units work

[storm junco]

Fucking die inside burden beast

Please

[bright zodiac]

i then convert the excess Originiun into facility and dont let it overflow, and keep making more unnecessary facility, lmao

[warped delta]

I placed 1 pump and 1 treatment and it cleared that pool in around 15mins

[solid bane]

Lol wat

[storm junco]

Wanna make a manure?

With poo?

[subtle finch]

still bothers me you cant link a thermal bank to facilities w/o a powered relay first

[warped delta]

Well my one xircon line overnight had perfect efficiency, but the other one the buffer gained like 40 sewage, so I'll have to diagnose the other inputs and see how that line differs from the known-good one.

[bright zodiac]

logically they should let us do it

either with cable or range (like relay or pylon)

[storm junco]

Huh?

[warped delta]

They didn't want to design a UI to account for multiple power networks

[storm junco]

Do you like put thermal bank outside aic?

[quasi locust]

i would love to have that, like an emergency power generator for field facilities

[dark furnace]

or simply make thermal bank with radius power supply like relay if you place it outside AIC

[subtle finch]

it technically exist already, combat towers have their own power reserves ui

[uneven aspen]

more like the locked areas where you need to power up a pylon to open a door, they dont want thermal banks to be an easy solution

[subtle finch]

yeah, that's what i first attempted.

[dark furnace]

tbf pylon is permanent while thermal banks burn battery

[quasi locust]

speaking of ui, crucible is absolutely horrible that we can't access item from depot and backpack

[tawny bear]

https://discord.com/channels/950244160684834837/1483787804810022973

[leaden drift]

Not as bad as not being to switch sides of water input

[storm junco]

Why the heck you need power bank when you already have pylon?

[leaden drift]

They want off grid power

[quasi locust]

crucible has both 😭

[tawny bear]

well ur not gonna shove ur hand in a cooking pot now would u :b

[leaden drift]

People have tried...

[storm junco]

Can you even hook thermal bank into turret?

[quasi locust]

but we can shove our hands into furnace

and shredders

[leaden drift]

They use thermal bank into pylon

[warped delta]

I tried doing the priority fluids thing the guy showed off, but the treatment at the end of the line was still taking the full amount instead of leaving it for the earlier splitter machine

[storm junco]

Huh?

[tawny bear]

turrets don't have inputs

[leaden drift]

So let's say ur in wuling

[subtle finch]

I made a PSA about offline sewage clogs. tl;dr better to loop back your sewage from crucible instead of taking from refining unit
#aic-factory message

[tawny bear]

oh wait u mean power not batteries >.>

[storm junco]

Thermal bank is that facility

Not battery

[tawny bear]

I'll loop it back when I need 90/min xircon, I like having a stable source of yahzen A :v

[leaden drift]

You use v4 power transfer methods so it doesnt connect with the standing xiranite power system

[warped delta]

I do backfeed the one, but you still need sewage from a refinery for the other one. And I have a fluid buffer

[storm junco]

Apparently you can put battery outside thermal bank

[warped delta]

I ultimately gave up on the priority fluids bc of that and simply have a fluid buffer before the conduit input

[storm junco]

So i was just asking if you can do it

Outside of aic

This will give us surge of power

Before running out

[subtle finch]

the backfeed basically destroys the sewage too if crucible deletes an item. if you take all your sewage from refinery, that's what causing the buildup

[tawny bear]

as far as I'm concerned u can put facilities outside the aic, but not conveyors

[quasi locust]

...sry

[storm junco]

What the heck are you doing

I mean thermal bank outside aic area

[quasi locust]

i was being literal

[storm junco]

Not discarding the battery

[dark furnace]

that's what soupsoup would do

[warped delta]

I have 2 ostensibly identical setups but only one is adding sewage to the fluid tanks while offline, so I'll have to compare them again when I get home tonight, because something is clearly different then.

[storm junco]

Idk why you need that much power surge thou

[dark furnace]

probably burning origrium

but that's valley so

[storm junco]

Owh shieet

[warped delta]

and if sewage is backing up, it could also mean the issue is with other inputs earlier in the chain bc it's being made but the other inputs aren't arriving in time.

[storm junco]

Can you burn cuprium?

With thermal bank

[dark furnace]

oh nvm they are edging battery

[quasi locust]

if thermal bank would work like turrets outside of aic area (consuming battery and gain charge) together with the radius that would be awesome

[subtle finch]

i accounted for all that scenario

[storm junco]

You know you can replace all the mine in wuling using water pump it literally does same thing

Plus hydraulic drill

This save power

Use inlet

And outlet

[quasi locust]

yeah i have learned about it. i have only replaced the ferrium ones tho, since the originium ones need like pulling pipe across map for the same power saving

[final escarp]

Ok pack it up Bois ur Xircon production is cooked (hmm not sure why it's 498 and not 497 this time... someone smart needs to look into it)

[storm junco]

So the setup is like this..

Outlet and inlet stretching

From aic

[final escarp]

One with 48 Xircon is the bottom stash

[storm junco]

I heard one pump can power 3 for hydraulic drill

[quasi locust]

wait so 2 out of 500 just got taxed?

[final escarp]

We need to do multistep test

[final escarp]

Yep not sure why it's not 3 though

[storm junco]

My only thinking why they. Don't make water generator yet?

[dark furnace]

I was feeding 2 xircon crucible with 5 liquid xiranite crucible + 5 xircon effluent, apparently it flated the xircon production for all 10m, 30m and 2 hr. The dip was the login bug around 1.5 hrs ago.

[quasi locust]

wait it should have taxed 3 instead?

[storm junco]

Why we need to power pump with xyranite pillar?

[dark furnace]

and if you look closely to the usage, there are some bumps occationally despite yield is flat. That's the tax you guys are talking about with crucibles

[subtle finch]

i think it just eats items at random

[storm junco]

Do conduit count as facility outside aic?

[dark furnace]

yes

[final escarp]

We need to test with 500 xiranite + 500 water >> result + 500 sewage and see how much of the xircon effluent that gives...
I'm curious to know if its

1. 500 Xirang + 500 water = 497 xirang fluid >> + 497 sewage = 497 xircon effluent + 3 sewage leftover or
2. 500 xirang + 500 water = 497 xirang fluid >> + 497 sewage = 494 xircon effluent + 3 sewage leftover or
3. 500 xirang + 50 water = 500 xirang fluid >> + 500 sewage = 497 xircon effluent no sewage leftover (i.e bug only happens in last step)

[subtle finch]

it's 3. check the image i sent earlier. it can delete at any stage

if you want you can run a full system again with limited input. depends if you backfeed or not

[dark furnace]

not sure about 500 units, but I ran a test a fews days ago with 1:1 input from xiranite to xircon. And looked at the graph, all liquids have random dip, and every dip will cause the next liquid in line to dip deeper, then finally the worst at xircon

[final escarp]

Sorry the truth is i don't trust the graph cos I'm not sure how it's calculated exactly

I will test it with flat quantities nonetheless

[subtle finch]

oh i misread it, it's 2 as well for me. all stages can delete item

[dark furnace]

true

[subtle finch]

the only difference is mid crucible is all fluid, while the rest require a solid. i dont think it discriminates

[languid latch]

Hello,

I tried to do a good base in Valley IV, but couldn't manage to do something as optimized as I want. I end up finding this one, which is great : https://endfieldtools.dev/community-factories/blueprints/buck-capsule-a/?id=a04ef714-04be-4072-9114-bb6cc3a08e3b

But the more I look at it, the more I realize there are things to optimize and more can actually be done. Already spent a more hours than I should on it... Had fun at beginning but not anymore, I love game like satisfactory, but here, the lack of space change a little the fun 😆 Surely, someone already managed to achieve that and shared it, and I just didn't find it. Any recommandations?

[final escarp]

Ok testing with 500 Xiranite and 500 water >> + 500 sewage to see yield of effluent and inert

[pulsar sail]

if you missed my 600+ unit above... 630 expected, 623 obtained, this is strange I was expecting 626 at least, i thought it was 1 miss every ~155, it's worse

[bright zodiac]

ok, fr, those crucible need fix

[subtle finch]

basically every xircon you lose is a sewage you gain if you don't back feed, which is a lot cause i lost all my 900+ xircon reserves in 11 hours

[bright zodiac]

now i start to saw the effect, after like a week, im losing 1K xircon 2K cuprium (refined) from my stocked depot

i used to have 58K refined cuprium, and 22K xircon

i thought its my cuprium, but now my xircon

so yeah

[pulsar sail]

and much headache to add another treatment unit to prevent clogging when you didn't plan for it with loop and sewage feedback

[fathom grotto]

is it possible for 1 single crucible to produce xircon effulgent directly from xiranite + water + sewage

so far it's stuck for me lol

[pulsar sail]

no, you would need 3 pipe output

effulgent need the 2 output for the inert one

[fathom grotto]

i thought only xircon and the byproduct liquid are the only outputs

[pulsar sail]

let me check, much recipe and fatigue 🙂

[hidden mural]

Is the max cuprium production in wuling 120?

[fathom grotto]

is it even possible for 1 crucible to do 2 reactions at the same time

[subtle finch]

yes

[subtle finch]

only this afaik

[pulsar sail]

yes, if you have enough outputs

[fathom grotto]

like 1 where it makes xiranite liquid from xiranite and water
and the second reaction where the xiranite liquid itself is combined with sewage to make xircon

[crude nebula]

Maybe HC wuling would make it possible

[fathom grotto]

do sc wuling batteries require like 5 crucibles lol

[pulsar sail]

that 2nd reaction would need ANOTHER output

[fathom grotto]

it takes up so much space

[crude nebula]

4 at least

[quasi locust]

you can try halving the rate of two inputs (xiranite/water) and sewage to make it work, but it's not efficient

[fathom grotto]

obviously i need this full efficiency

oh well

ohh i got it

[mellow lily]

I tried. cant, not had enought slots and output
Sadly need 3 reactor for that battery

[fathom grotto]

fuck

[quasi locust]

might worth it if it can undo the crucible tax lmao

[fathom grotto]

oh well time to redesign the whole thing again

[crude nebula]

Why not using jincao or yazhen for carbon?

It'll save you some space with less sandleaf needed

[fathom grotto]

im not making jincao or yahzen lol

im making sc battery

[crude nebula]

No no, the plant can be use to craft carbon too

Just insert it to refinery to unlock the recipe

[fathom grotto]

hm

[subtle finch]

you should, they require less power and space. and 1 wuling local plant is double the carbon, unlike sandleaf

[fathom grotto]

is this true chat

[mellow lily]

Also why its better?
Theres any true reasion?

[fathom grotto]

i thought only plants from v4 are refinable

[crude nebula]

Save spaces

And produce more carbon

[fathom grotto]

gawd damnnn

this gonna be revolutionary

[pulsar sail]

you do need water to grow them but that is an acceptable trade off for 3 building I guess

[keen river]

not only you need one less planting unit, you also get twice the carbon

you cut your buildings by three

[nova lodge]

yeah....the server sure does funny things when the players logoff....

the addition of another component : sewage fluids destabilized the production consistencies.

[gloomy notch]

HELLO DUMB QUESTION HOW TO CONNECT CONDUIT INLETS AND OUTLETS?

sorry for the all caps asdfadsf

[pulsar sail]

manually like power lines, havent tried in the tab view

[gloomy notch]

ohhhh okay

i understnad

tank uu !!

[pulsar sail]

press F on the inlet, go to the outlet, press f

[nova lodge]

yeah, not sure how to connect in tab view within AIC buildzones....it sure is annoying needing to exit and reenter top-down view mode every time.

for conduit connections.

[pulsar sail]

mmmh why can't I produce carbon with jincao... is it not with a refiner?

[nova lodge]

turn off the fluid function on your refiner.

[pulsar sail]

oh damn

thanks, I completely forgot about that checkbox

[nova lodge]

[thin adder]

uh sry what? wheres that sewage coming from XD

[gray oar]

does somebody have the ratios for the new batteries?

[thin adder]

4 originium and 1 xircon

i think

D. origocrust

[gray oar]

what about waste?

[thin adder]

your using packaging so no waste there

[nova lodge]

if its about producing xircon, you can discard the waste water into treatment plants.
or alternatively, loop it back for the other half of the xircon production.

[gray oar]

wait new wuling batteries actually don't require waste processing? sounds too easy to be true

[thin adder]

oh if your talking about the whole process then yeah

i though u were talking about the batteries themselves

[gray oar]

yeah honestly i kinda wanna nuke my entire wuling setup cuz it's all over the place

[nova lodge]

you will need to nuke it....if you hadn't tidy it up before.
implementing cuprium is a whole different ball game and requires quite a bit of adjustments.

[gray oar]

if i start from scratch, how much wuling batteries/medicine i can make from all the avaliable materials?

[nova lodge]

better to keep the xirantie production separate in a corner =.=

[gray oar]

why?

[sand pivot]

2 battery production lines (12 per min) 1 yazhen syringe A (6 per min)

[nova lodge]

everything needs it, and it makes adjustments far easier.

[sand pivot]

cause the new setup is a hot mess

[gray oar]

fair enough

[sand pivot]

keep your machines modular

do like yazhen in one corner

[gray oar]

jokes on you, my setup is already a hot mess

[cinder sun]

blueamber: You currently have 2470 points.

[sand pivot]

xiranite production in another corner

xircon in another corner

and the actual battery in another corner

[subtle finch]

which server are you on?

[nova lodge]

yeah...cuprium really messes things up a lot.
sewage management
production division
pipping management etc etc

not accounting for server doing funny things when you log off as well

[sand pivot]

I'd give you my blueprints but I am not on rn

if you want I can @ you later though

[gray oar]

i'll try it myself first and if things so south i'll be back

[sand pivot]

bet bet, goodluck

[gray oar]

thanks

[sand pivot]

just stick with what I told you though, try to make them modular

it will be better for future expansions

(like if they give us more ore and stuff you don't have to rebuild the whole thing)

[gray oar]

i mean i did 18 HC bats + 18 buck A medicine in valley, surely it's not that much harder

[pulsar willow]

well, after a whole night the graphic didn't dip

[sand pivot]

it's not harder, it's just the whole process is kind of overwhelming at first ngl

too many steps

[gray oar]

did you move plant loops to the sub PAC area?

[pulsar willow]

all I did was change the cuprium balancer

[sand pivot]

I don't have plants like that

I have them integrated in part of the production

[nova lodge]

gotta have dem sandleaf :3

[pulsar willow]

I've made a big strip

[sand pivot]

like rn you kind of need 4 things: xircon (to produce batteries), the battery production lines themselves, the xiranite production line and the yazhen production line

I just have the plants along with the rest of the xiranite production lines in my sub PAC

[nova lodge]

don't forget components too....

[sand pivot]

I am not making components

I will just turn off half of the batteries when I wanna make them

[thin adder]

it may be different but truth is, u dont have much cuprium suply atm so there isnt much to build, so it actualy doesnt take up much space

[gray oar]

where yanzen for big carbon

[sand pivot]

if I leave it cooking for like 1 night it's more than enough components for the rest of the patch tbh

judging from how many xiranite components I used last patch

[nova lodge]

my xircon line, can be copy pasted if anyone is interested.

[gray oar]

true but better make it tidy before we do get a lot of cuprium and things spiral out of control

[thin adder]

yes prepare for the future

[gray oar]

what about gear components? i kinda need them the most rn cuz my new team is naked

[sand pivot]

oh yeah also I forgot to tell you but when you're making liquid xiranite, feed 1.5 xiranite to each crucible @gray oar

[gray oar]

1.5/s?

[nova lodge]

i might had overcomplicated things
back at my main base.

[sand pivot]

cause if you don't do that your refineries will clog when offline

cause for some reason the xiranite belts are slower when offline and the sewage will build up in your crucibles and clog up your refineries

[pulsar willow]

don't they need like 0.5 xiranite/sec for a regular recipe

[sand pivot]

yeah so basically you have 2 reactors, 3 belts, 1 of the belts splits into both the reactors

[nova lodge]

don't be like me

[pulsar willow]

too late

[sand pivot]

for components I'd just make a separate production line and turn off half of the yazhen production line while you're producing it

[fervent lodge]

This is what your heart rate looks like when you catch oripathy

[gray oar]

wym turn of half of the yazhen?

[sand pivot]

yazhen uses 4 copium production lines to produce at 6 per minute

[nova lodge]

where's the straight line? :3

[subtle finch]

what app is that

[sand pivot]

you disable 2 of the copium production lines and produce at 3 per minute

in order to allow yourself to use the other 2 for components

[gray oar]

oh yazhen is the medicine?

[sand pivot]

yeah

[fervent lodge]

i'm working on the third iteration of my factory solver

this time with actual ticks instead of a static graph solve

because I realized factory is all oscillators and oscillators are HELL

[subtle finch]

this one doesn't win on symmetry, but it's a quick set and forget. makes most of the things you need

[sand pivot]

idk Jas and Dragonics base is more symmetric than that

but it takes up more space too

[gray oar]

is there a tool to plan production lines? cuz rn i use paint and i just write ratios above the arrows

[sand pivot]

but they also have the entire production line in the PAC so there's that

[pulsar willow]

except for the components, I kinda need that as well 😄

[sand pivot]

I know some people use them

but I never bothered asking the name

[gray oar]

i'm somewhat of a designer myself

[sand pivot]

I just craft, no planning

[fervent lodge]

https://beta.enka.network/endfield/aic/

[sand pivot]

that's why it takes me 7 hours to produce a blueprint

[gray oar]

thanks

[sand pivot]

[gray oar]

lmao

[pulsar willow]

vibe-building

[fervent lodge]

also ^ see above, but it doesn't have the per-building stats in the public version
still working on that

[pulsar willow]

I am the same

[sand pivot]

funny part is if I were to plan, it'd lead to the same thing

my brain just gets overwhelmed with processes and I start doubting my own calculations on ratios

💀

[fervent lodge]

yeah same
that's why i am doing stuff to math it out in-planner

[gray oar]

so real

[fervent lodge]

because otherwise without proper research of the mechanics and actually testing and theorycrafting them

i can never be sure

[gray oar]

i recalculate stuff every 2 minues lmao

[sand pivot]

same lmao

yesterday I built the reactors

[fervent lodge]

me when I don't treat sewage properly

[sand pivot]

and then I was like "wait I only need 1 liq xiranite crucible cause the other 2 only spend 1 each 2 seconds" and then I realized the liq xiranite also takes 2 seconds to make which means I need 1 for each crucible

and then I changed the whole bp

and had to revert back to what it was

💀

[gray oar]

lmao so real

[fervent lodge]

i started doing 1.1 stuff in the planner, until I realized i screwed up and there's a second output of the reactor recipes

and i dropped it by accident when transforming the recipes

that was a major "god damn it" moment

[leaden drift]

I just freehand it in game

And then take days adjusting

[sand pivot]

same same

legit took me like 10h in total to make the new batteries production line lmfao

[leaden drift]

My current one is weird cause I have sewage flowing through a crucible

But not being used

[sand pivot]

but it works well

no clogging, barely any fluctuations

🤷‍♂️

[leaden drift]

Mine fluctuates upward

But stable 10

[fervent lodge]

the fact that you can just Do This is extremely funny

[sand pivot]

mine is stable at 12/min