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[vocal ginkgo]

Anyone else having issues? Vex’s calibration isn’t working

[manic swan]

lol welll he is using the bugged calibration thats unintentional haha

[honest badge]

calibrating what?

[vocal ginkgo]

His gunstock ofc

[manic swan]

had no problems recalibrating the "intended" way

[honest badge]

no but my height calibration claims im 8

ft

[vocal ginkgo]

Lmao

[vocal ginkgo]

Must be a skill issue then

[manic swan]

agreed he needs to

[topaz summit]

Just bought my first vr gun stock haven't used it yet but can't wait (don't mind the mess)

[modest hollow]

it was actually a config file issue

[manic swan]

lol yeah i saw. we just gaving a good laugh

[vocal ginkgo]

Ya

[lucid sphinx]

How much are they?

[topaz summit]

Gunstocks?

[lucid sphinx]

Yes

[topaz summit]

Depends mine was 100 and I recommend but I got the full kit they have cheaper ones

[lucid sphinx]

What brand was it? Thinking of getting one bc i suck at aiming

[topaz summit]

BRB in 15 or so

[manic swan]

no offense but hard to recommend if you havet used it yet.

[fervent socket]

With this one man. Do u have magnets on both your cups? Or just one cup?

[topaz summit]

I have just not much I tried it once in the tabor shop I mean in a actuall raid

[topaz summit]

brandroms on etsy I can dm u a link in a bit

[fervent socket]

I’ll just post again in case ppl didn’t see in chat mag tube with it

[manic swan]

lol you monster! haha nice

best of both stocks huh

[steep orbit]

DAMN thats actually pretty bad ass haha

[lucid sphinx]

Good for quest 2?

[steep orbit]

Pro TubR

[manic swan]

The Rag tubir

[steep orbit]

🤣

[manic swan]

its a real McGuffin

[topaz summit]

Do u want a dm to the link?

[lucid sphinx]

Sure. Is it food for rifle ingame bc i saw one side and the other on the bed.

[topaz summit]

I can get a better pic in a second but the link is https://www.etsy.com/listing/1617170947/ultistock-full-kit-patent-pending?show_sold_out_detail=1&ref=nla_listing_details

That's the one I have

[topaz summit]

Also ig the shop ain't open rn

[vital hinge]

Both, but it doesn't really matter. You don't need magnet cups. You are really just using the Raidr magnet

[fervent socket]

Mag tubes magnetic cups don’t unstick sometimes. Fixed wold be good if they make

[wild ruin]

Just make them fixed

all you do is replace both magnets with a bolt

Or, you can buy them from us in fixed form. Instead of magnetic on the cups select fastened. Note, you would still need additional parts to make it work such as T connectors and bolts kit.

Q: "Can I make my Mag Cups fixed/fastened?"
A: Yes! To do so you need an M4x22mm bolt. This bolt is used in all of our products that have fixed/fastened cups such as the cups themselves, the Starter, ProSaber, and the SWINGiT Golf Edition. You can either order one of those, source one yourself, or request one from us directly through support on the website when placing an order for something else. We do not sell these bolts on their own. As for the how to change from magnetic to fixed/fastened, follow this video guide in reverse: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QMtzgw-zgqY&t

NOTE: This applies to ProVolver as well, which you can change to fixed/fastened for use on MagTube, ForceTube, or diy stock solutions.

Also the likelihood of the magnetic cups detaching on a RAIDR is very low due to the nature of the design. You're more likely to detach the center of the tube, at whihc point you can't easily detach the controller from the tube.

[fervent socket]

Can I get this with 2 fixed cups

Than transfer to raidr

[wild ruin]

No, just send a request to support for another bolt before your order ships

We don't sell the bolt or make it an optional add on through the system. It would have to be done manually by request.

[fervent socket]

Ok and this is all the stuff I need to make it work? This it’s with the bolt?

[wild ruin]

Alternatively don't place an order and just ask support. Then they can decide how you should go about doing it (i.e. a custom order they send you an invoice for, or just adding it on after you've made an order, etc.)

What else would you need? Read this message: #🔫・vr-gunstock-chat message has video guide and everything

Just move the parts from that tube to the RAIDR, follow the video in reverse, and done

https://www.protubevr.com/en/content/6-customer-support

[fervent socket]

Great good to know all I need to spend is 50 pounds 🙂

[wild ruin]

For info if you are in the UK, it ships from France

Because of Brexit, your government may charge you import fees since it is shipping from the EU

[fervent socket]

I’m in Australia

[wild ruin]

Idk off top of my head for Australia, that'll be something you'd have to look into or keep in mind

https://www.protubevr.com/en/content/1-shipping-and-duties

[vital hinge]

Can confirm. I can detach in the middle of the RAIDR easily or either controller cup with a twist of the wrist, but there is really no reason to detach the cups when using the RAIDR, it's just that the magnet cups were the ones I already had.

[wild ruin]

The magnets themselves are pretty strong. They will only easily detach when you move them at the correct angle

[granite grail]

I just got the raidr. For the buttstock, I can’t tighten the screw for the lever any further, and it just wobbles there

So frustrating

[worldly shale]

can anyone help me figure out this issue im having? every time i confirm my calibration it resets it to where it was which is about 20 degrees up

[gritty flame]

Will you make a fix for Tabor Raider stock. I will send you money!

[gritty flame]

Praying that tomorrow when my raider comes in it will magically not have any problems...

[wild ruin]

We already have plenty of products available on our website you could use to 'fix' the RAIDR. Just pick your poison. It's all DIY. There's no specific guide or product called "RAIDR Upgrade" or anything.

#🔫・vr-gunstock-chat message

Read from here on down to get an idea for what you could get.

[gritty flame]

[wild ruin]

Essentially it boils down to both using 18mm tubes. So you can put our connectors on the RAIDR tube.

This in turn means you could use our magnetic or fastened cups for your controllers, and our shoulder stock.

An example someone posted earlier. You can see that is the RAIDR, and then ProTube Mag Cups and shoulder stock

[gritty flame]

Does this ship from Europe???

[wild ruin]

From France

All of our products are on https://www.protubevr.com/en/

[gritty flame]

Can't believe I paid $120 for a coat hanger and pole...

[wild ruin]

If you don't want to have to think about what to get and just get what you see in the picture above (by that I mean our products shown in the picture), feel free to contact us via support https://www.protubevr.com/en/content/6-customer-support

[gritty flame]

Thanks.

[wild ruin]

Ultimately my suggestion would be to just get this product:

https://www.protubevr.com/en/vr-accessories/178-starter-short-gunstock.html

You can get a shoulder stock upgrade as an optional add on, and then just take the controller holders off the tube and slap them + the shoulder stock on the RAIDR.

Will be cheaper than getting each part individually

[gritty flame]

Will the raider stock connect to this?

[wild ruin]

They are both 18mm tubes

It is as simple as loosening the screws and putting them on the RAIDR

[wild ruin]

The result is this picture

[gritty flame]

😮

[vital hinge]

Try this. It fixed my issue.
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[vital hinge]

Actually nvm that would only help the other mounts. Make sure the screw on the other side isn't spinning

[vital hinge]

That was me. It works really well. In raid you will never use the Mag Cups, so fixed is fine, but I realized tonight that in the bunker if I'm doing "chores" like watering plants, it's nice to put the stalk down and lose any extra weight, so the 2 Mag Cups do get use.

[wild ruin]

I'd imagine 1 point sling would help as well

[vital hinge]

I do have that also.. I haven't tried it because I figured it would be too restricting in raid on the back hand, since the sling would be attached to my back hand even when raidr is split.

[wild ruin]

Depends on how you have it adjusted and worn probably

[wanton granite]

Thats pretty fucking cool

i changed up my gun stock after a few modifications

clean asf and lightweight 🥶🥶

[coarse ridge]

25m poly and a 25m bend on it? I use that stuff for work🤣

[umbral garden]

Whats a good beginner gunstock should I get idk what should I get and I live in Australia

[fervent socket]

Your controllers don’t wiggle

[wanton granite]

why should they wiggle

[fervent socket]

Everyone tabor stock is doing it

[wanton granite]

oh yeah they wiggle a little ammount

but its not like i die to the little wiggle

although the screws could get replaced

i kinda fucked mine up so it becomes loose after a raid

[open night]

anyone know a good cheap gunstock that works in ghosts of tabor?

[austere pine]

Definition of “works” is too broad. Just browse the channels logs for existing conversations that suit you

[lean hare]

Does anyone here play vail?

Does any know why, when I’m holding a rifle up with my dominant hand, and then I put my support hand where it looks like I should to grab the gun, when I grab it, the gun tilts up@slightly from where it is?

[mental lance]

Check all we have here:
#🔫・vr-gunstock-chat message

[glad scroll]

I play vail but I didn't notice it, maybe I just didn't pay attention to it

But from my experience in most shooters the gun always tilts a bit when you hold it with 2 hands instead of one

[lean hare]

I just asked on the vail discord and they are saying it could be because I’m using virtual@desktop, and that messes up the controller positions in some games, they told me to try steam link

[glad scroll]

Oh yeah that can happen

[lean hare]

Reason im@asking here, is because im using vail as a muscle memory training tool for my new stock

[glad scroll]

I had a similar problem on tabor when running the oculus pc version via steam as a non steam game, my in-game hands where higher than they should be

[lean hare]

So I’m excited to try that when I get home, hopefully it fixes it,

Figured vail would be a decent place to get used to using a stock because there’s lots of running and gunning there

hard to get used to it just playing tabor because the action is much more sparse, and if I mess up while learning it’s back the safe house lol

[glad scroll]

You can also get used to the gunstock within tabor using training mode

So you don't loose anything when you die, and you can relaunch directly again

[open night]

Thank you.

[lean hare]

True

[balmy stone]

Happens to me too, I was using VD , now I use Pico Connect (Got a Pico 4) and it's much better, lower latency too

[lean hare]

Ok, yeah I’ll have to give it a try then

[fervent socket]

I suck at eating n drinking 😦

[gentle osprey]

25% off ghost of tabor https://www.oculus.com/appreferrals/miiovr/7614022262006379/?utm_source=oculus&utm_location=4&utm_parent=frl&utm_medium=app_referral

[pure crown]

Is there something I’m supposed to do if my Raidr stock doesn’t deliver?

[hardy osprey]

Pray

[fervent socket]

Try get refund

[pure crown]

Very helpful

[whole idol]

I'm looking for a gun stock for the Valve Index, anyone got any idea on what I should get?

[vagrant sparrow]

That was the most painful, dogshit, brainhurting stock setup ever, and shit is still loose... but hey, atleast they stock got delivered..

[hardy osprey]

Your welcome.

[hardy osprey]

If you want help you’ll need to email support

[pure crown]

https://www.etsy.com/listing/1585617894/cgripvr-vr-stock-for-all-quest-headsets?click_key=3d89c8a07818829c1a089189ebe04dfffe5f760f%3A1585617894&click_sum=0eb76de8&ref=user_profile&frs=1&bes=1&sts=1&variation0=4131846810 on this gun stock what is the difference with the tabor mod and normal

[lavish dew]

anyone that plays with a gunstock? I play with one as well lets do some raids

[pure crown]

!groupfinder

[drowsy lodge]

To Access Group Finder: https://discord.com/channels/949081704625209404/1196523375355494471
Once you have access to Group Finder: https://discord.com/channels/949081704625209404/1084149169482109058

[median cove]

Going from no gunstock to gunstock is hard lmao. I have to unlearn like 300 hours of practice with not having a gunstock

[iron loom]

The tabor mod is just a wider butt plate to account for the way the developers decided to offset the hands

[pure crown]

Oh ok I will get that one then

[iron loom]

You definitely should it's my favorite entry level stock that isn't DIY

[prisma tinsel]

what guns should i buy as a beginner

[iron loom]

Browning hi point

[lavish raven]

@lethal sinew would it be smart if I added another one of thise cardboard things to the front so it could hols my other controller

Okay

[thorny egret]

Whats a good gunstock?

[urban yoke]

anyone know a cheap but good gunstock for quest 2?

[astral olive]

Hey guys is there a way to fix the left/right offset while calibrating the gunstock? When I'm calibrating it the only thing that does not look right at all is my gun alignment to the sides, the barrel is facing way towards the right when pointing it straight forward ?! 🤔

[lethal sinew]

Yeah, it's up to you. Great experimentation

[royal wagon]

You need to rotate your controller mounts to the outside

Your hands are too close together

[sleek gate]

Nice diy

[lavish raven]

Thanks

[full relic]

i need a gun stock where can i get one

[lavish raven]

Amazon

[trim frigate]

check pins

[full relic]

which one

[royal wagon]

Magtube, from their website

[lavish raven]

you could make a diy one if u dont want to spend alot of money or any money

btw anyone who wants to rate it put a number

[astral olive]

Oh ok! I thought they have to be alingned and the rest is made with calibration? 😛 didn't took this into account😅

[royal wagon]

The calibration doesn't do horizontal adjustments. What stock do you have?

[full relic]

is this one goood

[cunning bluff]

Just got my Raidr stock. Can’t even use it.

[royal wagon]

pretty much everyone ive ever talked to with one has talked about how they have broken

[full relic]

alr

[royal wagon]

and they have upgraded to a magtube

buy nice cry once

[astral olive]

I have build my own with my 3d printer

[astral olive]

Why?

[cunning bluff]

One of the clamps that secures the cups to the rod is so loose it just spins. Must be zero quality control on these.

[lucid scaffold]

Is the bipod on the magtube good

[royal wagon]

i wouldnt recommend it unless you really, really, really want and know how to use a bipod

there dont currently exist any VR games where the added stability benefit of a bipod make any sense

[sand moat]

Just use crutches if you brake your leg, works just fine and I'm speaking form experience

[heavy nebula]

Is there any video on how to put the raidr stock together

[left plover]

I hope soon cause idk how to add the extended pipe lmao

[royal wagon]

yes, scan the QR code

or go to the instructions URL on the box

[heavy nebula]

I did and that was not help full because they just did the base set idk what to do with tube that came

And the controller holsters wolnt clamp

[royal wagon]

yeah they dont really do that

if you are trying to add the extra butt mount the butt on the end and then transfer the center magnet piece and the controller mount to the long tube

[heavy nebula]

Oh I didn’t know that the magnet came off

[royal wagon]

theres a screw on the rim that holds it in place

[heavy nebula]

Does it matter what part of the stock I put it on

[median cove]

Oh by the way, thanks so much for helping out with my issues the other day there, it’s working perfectly for me now. I just have to relearn the game again lmao

[royal wagon]

[lavish raven]

@lethal sinew

I made improvdments to the diy gunstock

Hows it look?

[robust walrus]

I have been using this for 3 months now, pretty great, magtube build quality is much better like rage says, but i believe the magni stock is a good starter to see if you like using one or dont plan on using one often

[vital hinge]

I don’t use them anymore, but this fixed that issue for me. The problem is some extra material stuck on the mount. You can file it down with the screw like this. The screw should free move through. If it is getting stuck it won’t hold well.

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[lethal sinew]

Fancy! Let me know how bandaging works for you though.

[lavish raven]

Uh oh I didnt think of that

[lethal sinew]

Go to the tutorial level and test there at the end of it.

That's the one downside to the long front end.

I'm working on a cheap DIY that splits at the middle.

[lavish raven]

Okay

[trim frigate]

BOOM! sell it for 100$

[lavish raven]

Haha I wish

[lucid scaffold]

why are some colours more expensive but the same tube on the protube website

[royal wagon]

material costs

[lucid scaffold]

do they weigh the same

[royal wagon]

the carbon is ligther

i recommend full carbon, definitely the tubes

[lucid scaffold]

do all carbon colours weigh the same

[royal wagon]

there is only one carbon color

https://protubevr.com/en/vr-accessories/169-6174-magtube-gunstock.html?affp=8/464-mtb_2_color-carbon_cups/468-mtb_1_tube-carbon_tubes/611-mtb_0_brand-meta_quest_3_pro

[lucid scaffold]

it says carbone but with different colours

[royal wagon]

theres tubes and cups

the cups are the color options and one of them is "carbon"

thats the carbon fiber cup material. and then there is the one carbon fiber tube option. none of the others say carbon anywhere

[dusk saddle]

When is next wipe

[royal wagon]

wrong channel

[dusk saddle]

Sorry

[waxen echo]

yo rage, have you used the onestock?

[royal wagon]

which?

but no

[waxen echo]

from wieldvr

[royal wagon]

oh that one

[waxen echo]

i bought one, im pretty excited for it

[royal wagon]

its missing a few key adjustments

[waxen echo]

like?

[royal wagon]

height between controllers, afaik rotational adjustments as well

not a fan of having to hold the controller to the cup, i prefer a more secure attachment method

having to take your hands off the controls to adjust is not my cup of tea either

[waxen echo]

yeah i guess so. I mean I'm used to holding the controller like that though because of my 3d printed stock that i made a while back. I think it will be a nice thing to have, if not then ill return it.

[gusty elm]

Me and rage drink the same tea 😁

[royal wagon]

long ago before the magtube came out i had to pull the controller out of the protube v1 cups. i could handle BRs just fine that had a good amount of looting

i got pretty good at it, but the magtube design is orders of magnitude better

[shy path]

Well, I finally got the raidr in the mail. Calibration was perfect. All I did was turn on use physical gunstock and didn't have to calibrate at all. But god the controller mounts suck.

[royal wagon]

physical gunstock enabled and no calibrations does nothing

[waxen echo]

you commented on my video a few hours ago

[gusty elm]

You’re welcome. Don’t forget it 🐐

[shy path]

I don't know it worked for all of the guns in my bunker without having to calibrate, and with my magtube, I had to calibrate before every raid if I was using a different gun.

[royal wagon]

no cheek rest

you are "calibrating" each time you hold it because it doesnt go into a fixed position, you just change how you hold it

but the functionality of 'physical gunstock enabled' only does one thing, activates the saved calibrations

it doesnt sound like you setup the magtube correctly, changing calibration every raid for different guns is not using it properly

[dawn elk]

While I can't speak for the Magtube yet, as I dont have it
during my time with the Raidr id have it calibrated/set up to work for 'basically' every weapon just fine
you really should not need to calibrate every raid depending on your loadout

[shy path]

Well then they need to have an actual weapon calibration, because when I calibrate for the mp5, that's the only smg that is truly calibrated, every other smg I use like the mac 10 or the mat never aims right unless I calibrate for those specific weapons.

[royal wagon]

are you talkign the raidr?

[gusty elm]

I’m pretty sure you use in game calibration right? So question for ya. I know you only use the alpha. What if you were to use like the scar with angle grip. Would the calibration continue to work for you or would it not line up the same.

[royal wagon]

because the comment that i replied to was about the difference with the raidr

[royal wagon]

angled grip pushes horizontal, dont use it with a gunstock if you want any kind of consistency

but for any other gun? i just pop the tube up or down one notch, takes less than half a second

thats what the protube was designed for originally

[wispy seal]

fr

[royal wagon]

vr guns have always had different socket geometries

[gusty elm]

Yeah that’s what I normally do. If I want to use the angle grip then it’s just a small turn on the trigger handle and I’m good to go

[royal wagon]

so if you want a cheek weld you adjust

[wispy seal]

idk

[wispy seal]

wsg ragesaq

[shy path]

No, i'm talking about my magtube. Every other game I play it's flawless. But in Tabor, I have to adjust stuff on the fly, like stock position, or how i've got the stock positioned.

[warped cedar]

Did u just reply to a message from A year ago?

[wispy seal]

yep

[royal wagon]

ok, you replied to a different discussion point that was about the raidr

[dire carbon]

BRO THAT WAS LIKE 11 MONTHS AGO

[wispy seal]

olden days

[wispy seal]

yep last april

damm

[dawn elk]

should maybe not necro post the entire history of this channel

[wispy seal]

idc

[shy path]

Honestly my magtube is my favorite stock, but idk why but i feel like I shouldn't have to adjust everything on it when I switch guns, because the stock calibration is wonky in this game. I prefer set it and forget it, because then as long as my cheekweld is solid and in the same place every time, then I know exactly where my shots are going to go,

[wispy seal]

ik its really kewl

[dawn elk]

i find it rather funny that the calibration in this game is so terrible, even though Contractors showdown has nearly identical calibration, and there it works great
the only difference is having those same limited options available per weapon, makes a world of difference

[shy path]

Yeah, i just wish it was like Onward where you could have separate calibrations for every weapon.

[tough granite]

hey what is yall's opinion on the onestock from wield VR. im curious because i have some weird holding positions on certain guns in tabor like the sks and the MAT-49. they showed a youtube video that is emphasizing on the point that no calabration menu is required but when tabor has such weird gun positions for holding them i think the calabration menu will be needed.

if you have played tabor with a gunstock id appreciate yall's input.

[royal wagon]

the onestock is missing some important adjustment points and i think some guns will be difficult to use, or at least slow to adjust

[heavy nebula]

I just gave the raidr a run and so far I am not liking how it comes loose every 30 minutes and I have to tighten the controller holders and they are also uncomfortable after 20 minutes

[royal wagon]

you arent using the protube to the full extent, im looking for a clip that highlights the strengths of the design. other games with a more simplistic gun handling might behave differently

[pure crown]

what about GunFace VR?

[ashen hull]

No idea what that is

Ahh I see, based on your profile description it's a stock you sell

[waxen robin]

Just got my raidr and I’m confused anybody have videos on how to set it up

[ashen hull]

Looks cool but the problem is it's got top style rail so I'd not suggest this to anyone

Top rail causes problems for people

[lavish raven]

@lethal sinew

I added a sling to it, ran up some sniper raids and got 8 kills

[ashen hull]

bro that looks like it's actually gonna be really good

[lavish raven]

This thing helps so much

[ashen hull]

never under estimate the home made stocks

[lavish raven]

Fr

[lethal sinew]

Nice! 👏

[lavish raven]

Tysm Don this homemade gunstock helped so much

I need to calibrate the gunstock tho

[lethal sinew]

yeah, if you're doing a sling and fixed cups like that... follow the pins in this chat to see about how to work with the calibration works in-game for Tabor.

ragesaq did a good job explaining it

[lavish raven]

Okay

[gusty spear]

Anyone have the instructions for the RAIDR gunstock I did not get any with my gunstock I

[waxen robin]

Same

[ashen hull]

Gunstock clutch 😂 managed to finally fill my top GPU rack thanks to this guy not killing me

[royal wagon]

its on the box

[gusty spear]

Thanks I’m blind

[shy path]

Well, i'd say the strengths of the design would be to create 3 or more points of contact, ensuring more stability and allowing for better predictions of where your shots are going to go, you know, like an actual firearm. I'm after total immersion, and for me that means as close to firing an actual firearm as you can get in VR. Onward scratches that itch pretty well with its more robust stock calibration system. Hell, Vail doesn't even have a stock calibration system and it's more consistent than the system in GOT.

[ancient temple]

what is the best under 100$ gunstock that ships worldwide for ghosts of tabor?

[royal wagon]

found it

[royal wagon]

looking at those things is not a fair comparison because you are comparing things with rather simple gun systems

this is why you buy a protube, you can have two different calibrations at the same time

https://clips.twitch.tv/DifficultInexpensiveSwanTwitchRaid-wSUQJVVB3gTt3Du7

[pure crown]

Is this a scam is it really related to my raidr stock cause it still says it’s out for delivery

[waxen echo]

yes scam

[royal wagon]

yes, that is not a legitimate message

look at the url it wants you to go to, look at who its from, that tells you everything

[waxen echo]

that actually kinda cool

[royal wagon]

using an RK-A angled grip prevents you from doing stuff like i posted in the previous clip. use a shift grip on any gun and i can flip between the guns in under a second

[pure crown]

Alright, gotten these before, didn’t know if it was legit or not. Thanks

[royal wagon]

this is why i feel bad for any gunstock manufacturer, protube got it right over 7 years ago

[waxen robin]

@royal wagon I have a question for you if you can answer it I just got my raidr and the magnet came on 2 small tubes and I have an extra large tube am I supposed to use one big one small or double small?

[royal wagon]

its kind of a build it yourself system, you get to determine how you want to use it

[waxen robin]

Ok

[royal wagon]

but the idea is the long tube is for the butt and you move the magnet attachment to it for that

[waxen robin]

ok

Thank you

[dawn elk]

how easy does something like this happen on accident?

[royal wagon]

never

[robust walrus]

isnt the shift like 2 percent more recoil reduction, like its not that much compared to the angled anyways

[royal wagon]

its a negligable amount

[robust walrus]

right

[dawn elk]

wouldnt using ship grip on every gun, and adjusting for that also work?

[royal wagon]

yep, thats all i use

all other grips except the RK-A have the same socket point

[worldly shale]

rage what stock do you have?

[trim frigate]

he has his very own ragesaq protube custom made.

[dawn elk]

its what I did when using the Raidr as well
There's only a handful of weapons I actually use, so I just made sure those all worked for me (with attachments)
plenty weapons I had no chance using, but it really didnt matter for me

[worldly shale]

got it

[royal wagon]

https://clips.twitch.tv/PoisedSincereSpiderTTours-OmYswS2SNkhj6y_p

[dawn elk]

whats the extra red grip going up the length of the controller?

[royal wagon]

index boosters

makes the grip a little wider

ive got some new ones arriving today, i tried to trim it down a little more and it was too much, kinda digs into my hand a tiny bit

[trim frigate]

wish i got an index but still waiting on that deckard 2 man LOL. Granted it hasnt been announced, but knowing my luck once i buy the index BOOM announced LOL

[dawn elk]

yeah was going to say, doesnt look very comfortable

index HMD is pretty dated
base stations / controllers are still top of the line though

[royal wagon]

its quite comfortable, just dont trim it too low

[pliant oyster]

you need to spin the clamp in circles to tighten it. Mine was the same way. Then the set screw needs tightened to hold the grips steady.

[pliant oyster]

Wrap a peice of thread around it and it will stay tight. or use some locktight goo. Mine is set so I don't plan on moving it again

[wanton granite]

I wrapped some tape underneath the part and tightened it up alot

its amazing now

[nocturne bay]

i got my tabor raidr and the cups won't fit my valve index controllers

[sleek gate]

Let’s goooo

[nocturne bay]

prepare for a world of pain

[sleek gate]

Actually, has been going great for me

[fervent socket]

Can share a photo give me some idea

[wanton granite]

sure, gimme a sec

[nocturne bay]

https://www.protubevr.com/en/vr-accessories/167-4024-cup.html#/186-cup_2_left_or_right_-pair_left_right/191-cup_1_type-magnetic/195-cup_0_brand-valve_index/432-cup_3_color-carbon_cups
i wonder if i could put this on the raidr and fix the cup and mount issue

[nocturne bay]

cause the tabor raidr cups don't fit cause they thought fucking universal mounts/cups were a good idea

[wanton granite]

having tape underneath the actual conmection points lets me tighten it up waay more than i could before

and i dont have the risk of scratching the carbon fibre

[fervent socket]

That tape stops it wobble? That looks good with tape

Best idea yet

[honest badge]

Rip

[wanton granite]

yeah pretty much

but you do have to get a slimmer screw driver and crank it to the mac

so it doesn't wobble

i havent had any issues so far

also dont wrap around too much

or ypu wont be able to get it on

[pliant oyster]

For the clamps all that is needed to tighten is to spin them around a couple times then they clamp perfectly. For the controller wiggle, there's a set screw that needs tightened, mine came loose so i wrapped a peice of thread around the screw. Holds perfectly fine now. Have about 30 hours under it

[wanton granite]

and dont be worried to take the actual mechanism out, its really simple to put back on

[fervent socket]

Can I see? What u mean by wrap thread

[pliant oyster]

On the controller mount at the bottom is a screw. Not the clamp part but the bottom of the controller cup. It needs tightened to keep the controller from wiggling. I took that screw out (clamp still clamped on) and that takes the controller cup/mount off the clamp. I took a piece of sewing thread and wrapped it along the threads of the screw. Put it back i and it's perfect

[fervent socket]

Sounds good.. very smart

[pliant oyster]

It works like a charm. Before the screw always came loose. I've never had issues with the clamp though.

[sleek gate]

Just put some knuckle straps on it

[pliant oyster]

That looks nice

[sleek gate]

Feels amazing

[fervent socket]

Did u get but stock?

[pliant oyster]

No i just put the front grip as close to the end as I could and the back grip as close to the cup as I could without busting my knuckles with the cup. I use the back of the back stock on my chest or shoulder if I need stability. No stock needed. However my buddy has one and it's nice, not too heavy. A little annoying to loot but overall not bad. Not worth the extra amount in my opinion

[willow apex]

How did you get the butt stock on? I’m having the hardest time

[sleek gate]

There’s a flathead screw right next to the magnets that if you unscrew it, you can put on the other carbon fiber tubing and then put on the butt stock

[pure crown]

What’s a really good but cheaper gunstock from Amazon?

[floral crown]

Do gunstocks actualy work?

[willow apex]

I mean to get the buttstock on the long tube? Did you end up scratching the tube pretty good because mines gonna scratch it if I do shove it on there

[sleek gate]

Yeah, but there’s no way of really getting around that at least that I know of

[pliant oyster]

Yes 100%

[floral crown]

How do you like reload though?

[pliant oyster]

Most stocks are built with the ability to remove your controller quickly. The GOT Raidr stock is split in the middle so you don't have to remove your controller

[floral crown]

Interesting. How much are they usually?

[sleek gate]

For the base stock, it is $68 American and for the butt stock sold separately it is $32 American

[pliant oyster]

Ones that are worth it, 50- hundreds.
Youtube has tons of videos on stocks and budget stocks. My favorite so far, is the GOT stock.

[sleek gate]

For the ghost of Tabor stock

[vagrant sparrow]

gonna be honest, shittest thing i have ever seen (raidr) shit shipping experience with no customer support, setting up the stock is a steaming horsepile of shit, then trying to actually use the stock in the game it was made for.... is fucking horrible?? this was 100% found out during testing so why tf was it still sold 🤣 Controllers dont stay still, a stock thats meant to be held with 1 hand puts so much fucking pressure on 2 fingers while also slowly slipping out. And also just the whole gunstock calibration in the game is terrible too. 10/10 would waste $100+ and 3 months again...

[fervent socket]

Yes amazing

[fervent socket]

Just as bad as the game!! Hahaha

[vagrant sparrow]

didnt feel like the game was that bad 🤣 but after this, game is fucked for me 😂

[pliant oyster]

I had no instructions which was annoying but had mine set up in minutes. Super easy experience. My only complaint is the controllers do slide up a tad as you play. I think the grips feel fine as well. My usual play session is around 4 hours.

I will say the calibration is less than ideal. But 10/10 would recommend.

[vagrant sparrow]

once i actually found my tools i needed the setup wasn't horrible but its keeping it in the place you want that is bad, i can't split the stock to pick something up in game without the right side feeling so loose and heavy, any time i try and angle the controllers differently to calibrate it better they just slide fowards again or the clamp decides it doesnt wanna clamp and the whole controller rotates, and having a stock that you know will get scratches when setting it together is fucking crazy 🤣

[pliant oyster]

Is your right side the back hand?

The clamp latch might be a bit loose, take it and unlatch it, spin it in a circle once or twice and it will tighten up a lot. My clamp arms now don't go all the way down but very very close. I don't deal with the clamp getting loose anymore either

Here's mine:

[vagrant sparrow]

yeah, with buttstock too which you'd think would either balance it out or make it backheavy.... but no

[pliant oyster]

My back hand is also right, with how close i have the grip to the front, weight isn't a factor. My left hand is really close to the front as well, i don't notice much weight imbalance. I love it personally

[granite grail]

Has anyone tried returning the Raidr? If so what’s the process? Email support?

[dawn elk]

Did you order through Mamut or through CWS?

[gusty spear]

Is there a better tutorial video on how to put the Raidr together? Preferably with audio

[wispy bear]

Is there any hope that GoT will fix their gunstock adjustment system?

I have a ModusR gunstock and it works perfectly with every game EXCEPT GoT

[gusty spear]

https://ghostsoftabor.com/refund-policy/

[granite grail]

Cws

[dawn elk]

well, gl

[violet depot]

I have tried. I managed to get one but I had to threaten to report as fraud to get it.
Not joking at all. Just shipped it back today

They will give very hard time. If they still deny it. Hopefully you paid with credit card, cause you'll need to dispute the charge

[granite grail]

Thanks for the heads up, I may have to do a chargeback if I don’t get a response. Mine is defective btw

[violet depot]

Yes. Very likely you will have to
They have a very fine line of what counts as defective

[onyx crescent]

What's a good gunstock for the quest 3 that orders to the US? My budget is about $75

[violet depot]

But yes email that support email, you can find it on the website under refund policy

It might take a few days for them to get back to you

[fervent socket]

Well u send them an email. They ask u why u wanna return it.. then they never email u again.. so u are stuck with the piece of shit

[gusty spear]

I’m aware of the never getting emailed back. Happened when I first ordered the gunstock

[fervent socket]

Some one should do a review and put all over YouTube

[pure crown]

@lethal sinew Already did

[fervent socket]

Great how do I find I’m gona like and share and comment

[stiff pelican]

Pray for me boys i gotta survuve my flight back home then i can use my gunstock 😭🙏🏻

[pure crown]

Just search on youtube

[pure crown]

Which gunstock

[stiff pelican]

the raidr i know its mehh but its my forst one so im excited

[pure crown]

Don’t be. I don’t want to come off as mean but just don’t get your hopes up

[dawn elk]

really curious people are still receiving faulty units, thought they paused shipping..

[stiff pelican]

yeah i know, ill take pff the stock for silo and put it on for island, also gonna teplace the cups when they send those out

[pure crown]

Alright

[stiff pelican]

pre orders

[dawn elk]

those would've been shipped like 2/3 weeks ago at this point

is that kind of shipping time normal for y'all

[stiff pelican]

got mine the day i got onto cali

been waiting all week for this moment

[lethal sinew]

1st impression video @fervent socket
Very... critical but nothing we havn't heard yet here.

i've had better luck with swapping out the universal grip entirely and buttstock isn't an issue when I do that.

[stiff pelican]

could i somehow put knickle grips on the guns tock?

[dawn elk]

preorders started on a Monday, mine shipped Tuesday, got it on Friday
same for magtube
ordered it monday>tuesday night, shipped Tuesday during the day, should arrive tomorrow

[lethal sinew]

Full video review later, but yeah... essentially it's a very mid gunstock. Fun concept, but needs further development

[lethal sinew]

Ofc

[stiff pelican]

but how

[lethal sinew]

the universal grip holder thing is just a "belt" like mechanism.

you feed it between the knuckle strap & fasten down the controller

it's not rocket science.

[fervent socket]

Shipping takes forever

[stiff pelican]

Uhhhh ok ill take a look at it when i see it

thanks

[dawn elk]

whenever I order shit online its like a week tops, depends if a weekend got in the way

[fervent socket]

Me …3 to 4 weeks

[dawn elk]

depending what time I order itll get sent out that evening or the next day, and then arrive in 3/4 days usually. raidr was no different ¯_(ツ)_/¯

except the next day ofcourse, cause preorder

[stiff pelican]

could i see a picture of the grip belt feeder thing

[lethal sinew]

https://www.mamutvr.com/pages/tabor-raidr-instructions

[proper cove]

Who do u contact about receiving a messed up raider gunstock

[lethal sinew]

Which website did you purchase it from?

Also, messed up how?

[granite grail]

Does anyone else feel that the raidr stock adds significant girth to the controller grip? It’s quite uncomfortable to hold, especially on the right hand with the buttstock

[cosmic swallow]

Yea

[fallen perch]

I just ordered the volk patch off the got website does anyone know when it will arrive im in WA

[fervent socket]

What’s a volk patch

[dry lodge]

velcro patch they sell off the website, like a military patch

[fallen perch]

I just ordered the volk patch off the got website does anyone know when it will arrive im in WA

[pliant oyster]

People are being too picky. I absolutely love the Raidr! I've had one small issue the controllers want to slide out after a long play session. But it's light weight, easy to split and put back together. 10/10

[honest badge]

the raidr is a fat steaming pile of shiet ive had nothing but problems since i got it

i made a gunstock out of pvc pipe 3d printed parts and duct tape and it is higher quality then the raider lmao

[honest badge]

most of them are

[pure crown]

which gunstock should i use as a beginer

[quaint spoke]

any gunstock recommendations? particularly ones that are easy to remove controllers and put them back on

[stiff pelican]

ughhhh i dodnt get the longer tube for my vittstock upgrade for the raidr

buttstock

i love being scammed

[fervent socket]

7thvr.com

[fervent socket]

7thvr.com

[fervent socket]

Do the controller feel like they might fall out of cups sometimes?

How come no one builds there raidr like this picture in the box?

I mean controllers never put in same position like the box always more at front of the poles

[dawn elk]

At first I had them far forward, quickly moved them to be like that

[fervent socket]

Did it make a difference in comfort?

[dawn elk]

Very much so

Front controller remained as far forward as it goes, back controller near the middle
Decreases leverage on the buttstock

[tough thunder]

Wait everyone uses gunstock?

[quaint spoke]

not everyone but you should

[median cove]

I just got the raidr myself, it seems very beginner friendly and intuitive, not going to give it a proper go before the replacements come in though

Imma stick to my magtube

[urban pewter]

Just got mine and have no idea how to put it together and there was no instructions either, but I’ll probably just wait for the replacements anyways

What replacements are we getting?

[median cove]

I think the cups, they’re not as rigid as they should be, Scott posted in announcements a little while ago

[ashen hull]

No, it's tight

I do have version 1, it might have changed since then as @pure crown gf stock grips look slightly different

[fervent socket]

Use the magtube with the raidr

[fervent socket]

Ooh ok!

[urban pewter]

So I’ve just tried putting it together mostly went successful, but the tightening for the controller grips just went wrong, the rubber just ripped off

So now I can’t use it

[fervent socket]

Damit!

[urban pewter]

The fact that ripped off from me trying to put the controller in is ridiculous

So now I’m not sure what to do, I’ll just have to email support

[spare stump]

Had my magtube for a week now and its so good

[dawn elk]

Part is designed to fall off
Check out the instructions

[urban pewter]

Really? I thought that was meant to keep it in place

Ah just checked, I emailed them again to apologize

Should of read that before

[twilit otter]

This is random but you make some FIRE mods my G

[urban pewter]

Haha thanks lad appreciate it

[heavy nebula]

What screw size does the raidr stock have

[modest dirge]

Anybody know why it’s taken two weeks to still be ‘Almost Ready’ ?!?!

[modest dirge]

Refund requested. Problem solved.

[pliant oyster]

It's supposed to come off. And it's usable. Mine is missing too

I mean it's all up to opinion. The folks I know personally who got one seems to be a quality control thing. But I've not had issues. Comfortable, lightweight, easy split/back together. For me it's exactly as advertised.

[dawn elk]

Me magtube just arrived 😄
...aaand off to work lol

[raven junco]

can anyone recommend a good stock for vive controllers or index controllers? (waiting on my index ones to arrive) most reviews on amazon are bad for what ive seen

[stiff pelican]

there is a qr code that says instructions you goof

I live scott with all my heart, he is bery good at playtesting his products !

[urban pewter]

tbf i didn't see that lmao my bad

it's all good now anyways, just calibrating will be sorted later

[timber falcon]

Not true at all.
Its faster and easier to adjust than your demo video that is pinned in this channel.
The OneStock also allows you to align the sights better, without even touching the calibration menu at all.

Watch these 2 videos to see how the OneStock works in Ghosts of Tabor:
https://youtu.be/YZbdVuaJ5PY
https://youtu.be/t6lUjI3dTkc

[pure crown]

Hey Timo ! If i ordered one right now when will it start shipping ? And where does it ship from

[timber falcon]

Height adjustment works the same way as in your magtube - the frame tube angle changes slightly and you rotate the tilt of the front hand. Only with our stock you don't need to pull on a joint on the frame, you can just angle the stock slightly up or down and adjust the controller angle with the friction joint.

Rotational adjustment around the frame tubes only makes the controllers and the buttstock go out of alignment relative to each other and complicates things unnecessarily with literally zero benefits, only downsides.
For people who are used to old style gunstocks with round frame tubes, we will be offering rotatable mounts in the future however.

[timber falcon]

It needs no holding, can be done with zero fingers gripping the controllers or the stock

[timber falcon]

Depends on what adjustment you make, how you've adjusted it and how you want to use it.

All adjustments are designed to be used so that you can do them while having the controllers in your hands.

For hand angles (pitch & yaw), you don't need to take the controllers out of the cups.

For length adjustment, you also don't need to take hands off because the friction is adjustable. You can have it stiff so that it can be pulled to different lengths but still feel solid.
If you want it fully locked, it takes 2 seconds to flip the lock.

For buttstock length and height, you can do them one-handed in a few seconds with the controller in the hand and the gun pointing forwards.

[tall wharf]

Anybody know how to make one of these with pv pipes?

[waxen echo]

oh interesting, giving me more hope. Cant wait for mine

[timber falcon]

Hey! Thanks for the question 😁
New orders made today will be shipped in the latter half of April, the next production run after our pre-order deliveries are fulfilled starts in mid-April. We ship from our factory in Finland where all stocks are hand-made 🫡

[timber falcon]

We just filmed an in-depth video today to show how this works.
Will add some gameplay in there as well which is yet to be filmed.
Can't leave it up to just a hands-on demo, in-action speaks louder.

[pure crown]

And thank you for the fast response !

[royal wagon]

For micro adjustments yes, rotating the controller can fine tune for an optimal sight window, however, I am referring to more macro adjustments for elevation differences, as demonstrated in the video you linked, due to not having a larger elevation change between controllers you end up having to point upwards to compensate, instead of pointing straight

[royal wagon]

i'll admit ive not seen a video that covers the controller cup aspect in detail, most pictures and media ive seen are with people using it, so their hands are covering up the cup area

my mistake

[timber falcon]

This does not affect the usage much.
The buttstock has a slight curve so it feels the same against your shoulder, only the front end of the cheek rest will move upwards by a few millimeters.
The hands are in the right place and the right orientation so does it really matter how it looks to a third person?
The frame angle is not really noticeable in-game even when using a pump-action shotgun with the telescopic action.

With the magtube, nobody cares if the tubes are parallel to the ground or not since the controller tilt angle is adjustable. Same story here.

[timber falcon]

This is also a topic where most people will need to get accustomed to a new way to do things.
Our design is made for a relaxed hand grip and to activate tricep and back muscles, you pull the stock like a rowing machine motion. This also pulls the shoulders back and improves your posture.

Whereas most people are squeezing hard with their fingers, tensioning their arms and pulling with their biceps, causing the posture to worsen, not improve. This causes a lot more fatigue and discomfort.

[royal wagon]

im looking at pics and videos, it doesnt look like your cups have any kind of retention mechanism

its an open grip yes?

[timber falcon]

Yes it's simple open cup grips.
You use the palms of your hands to apply a slight pressure in sideways direction and the buttstock rests against the shoulder to carry the weight. And under 400g is around half of most other adjustable stocks.
During normal use you only momentarily hold the weight of the stock with your fingers and the root of your thumbs. This occurs when picking up the stock from the sling or when shooting around corners for example.

[royal wagon]

yeah, thats what i was referring to when i said you had to hold the controller in the cup. not a fan

[timber falcon]

There is much more holding of the controllers needed with your current stock

[royal wagon]

? i hold my index controllers totally naturally as if it wasnt even there, not really sure what you are referring to

i can also take my hands off of the controllers completely and they stay in place on the stock

and my magtube weighs 350g for a point of reference

[pure crown]

Less then the onestock i think

[royal wagon]

350.8 if you want to be exact

[mental lance]

Without buttstock again or what?😁

I really need to see that miracle on scale.

Aerospace tech

[royal wagon]

i think you are overestimating the weight of carbon fiber tubes quite a bit

[timber falcon]

Index OneStock is 400g, Quest 2 is 380g.

My Quest 2 regular magtube with carbon fiber height adjustable buttstock is 684g.
The carbon edition magtube was about 600 grams on their website.

[mental lance]

On official site it's 650g without straps and sling.

Please show it. That's worth showing.

MiniMagTube? Shortened version?

[pure crown]

@royal wagon Has his own edition thats with shortened tubes to make it lighter

[pure crown]

They have plans of releasing the ragesaq edition but not sure if it weight as much as his

[royal wagon]

thats not the one i weighed, the front tube is only a little shorter

its like a 5" front tube instead of a 9"

[mental lance]

I am 100% sure Timo has that real standard MagTube carbon. Wich guys buy out there.

[mental lance]

That cut off piece of tube weights 300 gramms?

[royal wagon]

i weighed my standard full carbon one, but i left my cup mounts on my controllers, i added the cup mounts and my big sling and its 590

my "standard" one isnt what i use anymore so it wasnt fully prepped, my mistake

[mental lance]

About 600 gramms like Timo wrote. Though to be fair I would add that half of sling you're holding in hands not on neck to both of Weild and MagTube😁But that's nice anyways👍

[mental lance]

And really interesting thing about that 4 inches of tube weigh

[royal wagon]

4" of CF is probably only 10 grams or so

most of the weight is in the screws

and magnets

wonder if i have a really small piece lying around

[mental lance]

Ah, now I get it. Those parts are molded.

[royal wagon]

theres injection molded joints, carbon fiber tubes, a printed butt and some screws

and the sling

[mental lance]

Nice idea with shortening. Always looked weird for me on standard pictures.

[royal wagon]

the cup mounts are printed + a big magnet and a screw

ive used various front position lengths over the years, but tabor really works best with a closer front mount, so when I cut up my red CF to make my custom version i just cut it to the size i needed

other games needed longer distances between the front and rear controller

[mental lance]

And I bet you will never need it again. Only bipod fans will.

[mental lance]

Other games are much more adaptive😁

[cunning iris]

Perfect for Tabor wield vr one stock

[deep finch]

I am using a magtube, anyone have any tips on how to improve on placement on the forward hand? I feel like I am continuously blindly seeking for the snap point, which gets ridicolously hard when one has absolutely no nose gap (on the bigscreen beyond)

[mental lance]

Unpack it at least, bro😉

[cunning iris]

I just got it lmao been waiting a fat ass min I'm unpacking rn

[manic swan]

Can't give an honest opinion until you use it

[cunning iris]

I used my friends but I think this one has an updated design

[manic swan]

Lol Ala raidir

[cunning iris]

I played Tabor and contractors I like it for Tabor mainly

[mental lance]

Check out updated design and compare for the community with old.👍

[manic swan]

But with out competition it wouldn't drive people to redesign and update stocks ao

[mental lance]

Yep, that's def interesting fact

Founders edition.

So friend was cofounder I assume.

[royal wagon]

what does your gunstock setup look like? for me its pretty intuitive because its in the same position as where hte foregrip on my gun is

so as you bring your hand to your gun in vr it should snap in

ive seen a lot of weird physical setups and some of those might make that part harder, but my setup guide will show you how to implement a very normal looking gunstock setup that should be incredibly intuitive to use

[deep finch]

hmm need to probably adjust it a bit to fit my usual sks runs.

[manic swan]

Also to add if your relatively new to the magtube its self. It does take a bit to get thay muscles memory going with blind placement

[deep finch]

yeah im used to doing it from my index nose gap, but now with the beyond I have no visual clues at all

[royal wagon]

well, an ideal magtube configuration is adapted towards your body for maximum ergonomics, and you do all of the work of adjusting between weapons by moving the front tube up and down a few notches

it should be extremely rapid and easy

[deep finch]

I got my primary hand at a good point, but been adjusting the front continously to find the most natural point, but between weapons it feels like i need to definitely go by feel than visuals

[royal wagon]

got a pic of your current configuration?

[spark lintel]

how long have you had your magtube for? this used to be an issue for me til i'd pulled the cup off and put it back on enough times i could figure out where it was without thinking

[north cargo]

https://www.businesscompanyvr.com/gunface

Anyone have experience with this gun stock?

[deep finch]

a few years (on and off) but probably total of a month use

the problem has arised from not being able to nose peek so to speak that i am used to doing lol

[spark lintel]

it's probably just a case of getting the muscle memory for it, do it enough and it'll work

[deep finch]

perhaps yeah

[clear sable]

how is it ?

[timber falcon]

Founder's edition is shipped to all who preordered the OneStock

[tribal rapids]

Is it good I’m waiting on mine

[tribal rapids]

We paid for mine like month ago and we haven’t got any emails??

[timber falcon]

Orders since Feb 14th will ship out from the next production run starting mid-April

[tribal rapids]

Air thanks

Yall did not post on yt for like 3 weeks so I thought I got scammed lol

[mental lance]

That's great, but that man above wrote he played with his friends stock earlier mostly in Tabor and this brand new stock he got now is upgraded somehow after first iterations. So I just thought his friend was not an average man who preordered stock as an average guy. Most likely content creator or smthn like that.

That doesn't matter truly. The feedback is valuable anyway.

[timber falcon]

All reviewers had an older version, as soon as we got the final release version parts we started shipping the preorders

[mental lance]

Yea, that's it. His friend was a reviewer. And he is an actual buyer. More feedback is nice.

[open night]

Looking to buy a MagTube. Anyone that owns a magtube, are the controller grips and adjustable stock worth it for the extra price? (im new to gunstocks)

[royal wagon]

I’m an index user so I have the grips built in, but the adjustable stock is pretty neat, easy to make it more comfortable for you if needed

That being said the mk1 butt was designed properly, my mk2 is currently sized to be the exact same size

[wild ruin]

The grips aren't necessary, but the amount of comfort they provide over long sessions cannot be overstated

Especially if you are still getting used to the stock

[median cove]

I'm having grips coming in next week probably. Grips are just so nice to have in general, even when not using a gunstock, so they would be well worth it even without the gunstock

[quasi plover]

Are they restocking the tabor raidr?

[dawn elk]

I got the mk2 stock for the smoother edges lol

[royal wagon]

The mk1 was rounded on top, but I do like the mk2 cheek rest shape better

Just kinda fits in better

[dawn elk]

@royal wagon I was following the latest pinned message to set up calibration for me protube, but every time I drop the "dummy" weapon during calibration, and pick up the weapon I want to use instead, the calibration controls get all messed up
right stick does nothing, left stick did a weird combination of both rotation and offset
then if I finished calibration, and actually tried aiming, weapons were all over the place 😅
any way to fix that, or better to just stick to using the dummy weapon as a reference

[royal wagon]

if you hold the gun with your off hand you cant use the right stick

you do right stick second

holding with both hands will show you the final result, you might want to not grab it with your front hand first

[dawn elk]

ahh ok, yeah I was grabbing with both hands

currently fighting between calibration and actually setting up the stock itself

[royal wagon]

start with physical calibration

my video on that will show you a good ergonomic position to adapt it to your body

there is no one size fits all

[dawn elk]

yeah need to figure out what works

[royal wagon]

my video guide on that should show you how to do it

[dawn elk]

does that cover stock setup also? the video I've got up is just ingame calibration

[royal wagon]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yoV8TQIEUYo

[dawn elk]

ayy thanks, let me take a look real quick

[royal wagon]

old vid but still correct

[gritty flame]

Got my stock in the mail and everything seems alright with it. Haven't tried it in game yet. BTW has anyone had issues with physical stocks and ingame grips?

[royal wagon]

issues understanding how it works? grips change the socket orientation

all the guns have different socket orientations

[dawn elk]

while it makes sense, it would be nice if it just didnt do that

[dawn elk]

feels like some guns have several socket orientations
or its just tabor being buggy

[gritty flame]

Took me a while to setup and calibrate my Ulti stock so I never wanted to mess with it so I never use grips.

[royal wagon]

theres only two foregrip addon socket orientations. the RK-A angled grip, and everytihng else

[dawn elk]

ive had calibrations just completely change on me until I gripped the weapon a few times / holster and grip again

[gritty flame]

I wish there was a way to save multiple calivrations for specific guns and grip points...

[gritty flame]

Yup...

[royal wagon]

after you do a game gunstock calibration you need to restart tabor

[gritty flame]

[dawn elk]

yeah but even after that, noticed it while using the raidr

weapons would just socket noticabily different sometimes

[royal wagon]

if you were using a gun without a foregrip attachment there is some weird behavior where the gun goes to the hand, not the other way around

[gritty flame]

Yeah it gets bugged at least 4 times during raid and I have to reholster.

[royal wagon]

but with foregrips its always 100% consistent

ever since late april when they prevented us from being able to grab the gun forestock when it still had a foregrip attached

[gritty flame]

Anyone here use Quest Games Optimizer?

[royal wagon]

now you can only grab the foregrip attachment, you cant grab the barrel

no, but you shouldnt use it. you are just going to make tabor worse

[gritty flame]

How so??? Damnit why did I buy this lol.

[royal wagon]

the game is already fully optimized for running on quest, using the absolute latest state of the art technology from meta

[gritty flame]

When I first used it the graphics were amazing. Now I don't notice any difference...

[royal wagon]

placebo effect

dont use it

if there was an additional way to improve the performance or quality of tabor, the devs would implement it

[gritty flame]

All I notice is the fast battery drain. Does it do anything else?

@royal wagon If I build a beast overkill PC will the Quest 3 be enough for Tabor or should I get a rift or whatever you use?

[dawn elk]

wouldnt get a rift these days lol

Ragesaq uses the Bigscreen beyond, very high end / expensive headset

[gritty flame]

hmm never heard of it.

Anyone here have experieince with the Bobo M3 Pro?

[royal wagon]

not sure what "enough for tabor" means. better VR headsets are always better no matter the game

and if you are looking for a premium headset you dont buy a meta device

[vital hinge]

I didn't like it. Too uncomfortable for me, but I loved the m3 mini. That said I'm now using an S3 pro and for whatever reason I find it much more comfortable than the M3 Pro. I may be in the minority though. People seem to like the m3 pro.

[dawn elk]

if you really want to max out VR, quest isnt the way either
PCVR will also get better clarity, since there's no compression

[gritty flame]

I'm getting the Big Screen Beyond. Does it have a good refresh rate?

[royal wagon]

Yes

[dawn elk]

not sure its the best headset for you if thats your first question 😅

[dawn elk]

its 90hz right? or can it crank 120

[gritty flame]

Alright I will order it for the next wipe so I don't lose any progress.

[royal wagon]

90hz with OLED response time is very very nice

[gritty flame]

It's better than the Quest Pro right?

[royal wagon]

Much much better

[dawn elk]

yeah I can imagine
also playing at 90hz
my headset can do 120/144/160/180, but then id have to sacrifice FOV

[royal wagon]

Oh god Pimax stuff isn’t even in the same galaxy

[dawn elk]

and my PC isnt pushing that framerate anyway for Tabor

[dawn elk]

I have a massive love hate relation with the damn thing 😂

[royal wagon]

I used an 8kx. I returned it

[dawn elk]

the FOV is next level

[royal wagon]

Not the actually usable clear fov

[gritty flame]

Ships in 1 month

[royal wagon]

That’s tiny as shit

[dawn elk]

for my 5ks its fine honestly

[vital hinge]

Big screen beyond looks really good, but for me, I am so happy not having tracking cameras (light houses) up anymore. I'm inside out tracking for good now. Wireless is nice too.... though I may try the psvr2 on the PC when sony finishes releasing the drivers and necessary dongle (which seems like the approach they are taking now).

[royal wagon]

Oh I didn’t try the 5k, just the 8kx and it’s worse than a dk1 in quality

[dawn elk]

yeah not sure about the 8k series in general, using the weird upscaling shit

[gritty flame]

Is the BSB comfy on the face?

[dawn elk]

the 5k series is closer to index, with the bonkers FOV and for some fucking reason a 180hz mode

[royal wagon]

It’s duct tape and bubble gum that weighs 50lbs and sounds like the audio / mic were made in the 80s and the software is garbage

[dawn elk]

the facial interface is made to fit you and only you, they use a 3d scan with an iphone

[royal wagon]

The BSB is somewhat comfy, it’s not index level but nothing else is

It’s light but the facial interface material is stiff. I’m working on a mod to change it up

[gritty flame]

But the BSB is much better than the Index in performance and visuals?

[royal wagon]

Yes. It’s not a fair comparison to anything that came before it

All older VR headsets, including the quest3 that came out not long before, look like garbage

[dawn elk]

nah what? the audio is great, literally the same speakers that are on the index
never get complaints about my mic either
might be a difference between the 8k/5k, not sure

[gritty flame]

I'm spending all this money just to play one game. I hope Tabor will still be around for another year....

[royal wagon]

30ppd micro OLED is like comparing a 720p LCD tv to a 4k OLED

[dawn elk]

I've used the HP Reverb G2 for a few months
pretty sure its not even close to the BSB, and god damn that headset was an experience to use

[royal wagon]

the audio is literally not the same speakers that are on the index, plus their DAC is crap, as is their EQ, and the mic sounds like its the index mic if it was in a cardboard box in another room

[dawn elk]

probably 8k stuff then

[royal wagon]

pimax audio is atrocious

[gritty flame]

I wonder if the better resolution makes up for the lower refresh rate....

hmmmmm

[royal wagon]

compared to what?

the refresh rate of the bsb is great, theres no need for more

[gritty flame]

Valve Index

[dawn elk]

90hz isnt low refresh rate for vr

[royal wagon]

theres more to it than just the frequency

pixel response time is also big, and OLED absolutely trounces the best LCDs, its not a fair comparison

its like, 0.05ms compared to like 1ms

[gritty flame]

This comment caught my eye on Reddit, "I could never enjoy something like Beat Saber personally at 75hz after experiencing its liquid smoothness on the Index."

[royal wagon]

i put 15k hours on the index because it was the best headset around compared to everything

i couldnt go back after using the bsb for a day

[dawn elk]

yeah but 75hz isnt 90hz

[gritty flame]

If I start playing on BSB or Valve Index, will I be able to re-add my Tabor buddies? Will we still be able to play together if they are on Quest????

[dawn elk]

just got through the protube setup video, need to get back ingame to actually test it
ended up with this

[dawn elk]

yeah its cross play, you're good
only thing you'd be missing out on is quest party (i think? might have pc software idk)

[gritty flame]

That looks extremely heavy...

[dawn elk]

it weighs next to nothing lol

[gritty flame]

Does it break apart with magnets for reloading and looting?

[dawn elk]

yeah

[royal wagon]

i think you have the rear controller one notch too far backwards

delete your savegame, set your hand pitch angle for guns (+7 probably), then calibrate

[dawn elk]

when placing the butt in my elbow, my finger nicely reaches the trigger
could maybe do with a very slight move forwards

[gritty flame]

@royal wagon I wonder if I could get a custom BSB that uses LCD with 140 FPS

[royal wagon]

thats not how VR headsets work bro

[dawn elk]

Do you know if theres an explanation what the pitch angle actually does? never understood or touched that setting 😅

[royal wagon]

hand pitch angle is what angle your hand has when you dont have a two handed weapon equipped with two hands

menu laser angle, pistol angle, picking up loot angle, etc

[humble tartan]

Good topic, can you even run 120hz on pcvr q3 in tabor and it look good? Or do most people sit at 90 and then resolution all the way up?

[royal wagon]

gunstock calibration has their own angle

you cant run PCVR Q3 without massive compression so it doesn tmatter

[dawn elk]

idk how people use or run quest
dont have one

[gritty flame]

I'm just going to defer to your opinion since you seem like you know what you're talking about. You sure the refresh rate will still be kinda smooth with BSB?

[royal wagon]

its extremely, extremely smooth

[dawn elk]

bsb is 90hz, which is the industry standard for VR

[royal wagon]

ive said that several times now

[humble tartan]

Ooh anyway to help with that? Got a nice guide rage?

[dawn elk]

monitor refresh rate and vr refresh rate do not compare, even slightly

[royal wagon]

replace the q3 with a real pcvr headset that uses displayport

[humble tartan]

What’s a step above a q3 that uses that?

[royal wagon]

when buying a meta product keep in mind they do not want you using PCVR, they want you using standalone, hence no displayport connection on a q3

they want to kill and eliminate pcvr

[dawn terrace]

me still using vive cosmos elite XD

[humble tartan]

Buddy talked me into it, but I use pcvr anyways sigh

[royal wagon]

index or bigscreen beyond

[dawn elk]

they want you using their store and hardware
and since they dominate the standalone market that means they want to drive you away from pcvr

[gritty flame]

Oh shit BSB doesn't do mixed reality, so i will have to hold on to my Quest 3 for Piano Vision.

[dawn elk]

does bsb even do passthrough?

[humble tartan]

Damn so I big messed up buying games on meta? Can you use other vr headsets on that store? I assume you could always run them through steam

[dawn elk]

there's Revive, not sure how relevant that even is these days

[royal wagon]

not particularly

[dawn elk]

but from what I understand, buying games on quest store will only run on quest

[royal wagon]

and it never works properly

[dawn elk]

What should I adjust when guns are pointing a good bit to the left/right?

[royal wagon]

widen the rotation on the controllers

[dawn elk]

this shits tricky 😅
also noticed for the first time that when turning my body left-to-right to follow a target for example, the reticle of the holo combo doesn't stay centered
doesnt make this any easier

unless im already holding the weapons front grip, I can't just grab it either with the front controller on the magnet which is a tad annoying

[warm thorn]

they fix the gun stock configuration yet?

[alpine verge]

Has anyone come out with a new 3d printed mount for the index controllers? For the raidr

[dawn elk]

Mamut offers them

#603715743447777340 message

[alpine verge]

On there website?

[dawn elk]

on the discord

[alpine verge]

I can’t seem to find it

[dawn elk]

are you in the mamut discord?

[alpine verge]

No

[dawn elk]

on their site, navbar 6th link

and then the message link I sent above

The supports on that print were an insane pain in the ass 😅

[alpine verge]

Really?

[dawn elk]

though I'm anything but experienced with 3d printing, so its hardly a fair call to make

easily spent 30/45 minutes per print to get them cleaned up, ended up doing 8 prints before getting a good result 💀
wasn't very fun

[alpine verge]

And they just attach to the raidr? Or do i need additional stuff

[dawn elk]

need to get an M5x25(or 30) hex bolt to close the clamp
and might want to get an M4x15 screw, instead of the m4X10 that the raidr uses

otherwise it just replaces the metal spine, goes straight on that plate

[alpine verge]

Okay awesome

Gonna try my luck and print them out

[alpine verge]

Sick thanks sm!

[dawn elk]

never got to test them ingame, some other part of the raidr gave out before I got the chance
though just holding the tube like that and shaking it was solid

[royal wagon]

gunstock calibration right stick will rotate the default one handed angle of the gun

[alpine verge]

Damn man I’m sorry, i just spent 14 hours printing a stock for it to fail at the last minute,

[dawn elk]

yeah thats up/down 😅
having trouble getting the left/right offset good, both one handed and 2 handed

when one handing the guns just pointing way left, then grabbing it with both hands its good after increase the angle between the 2 controllers

[royal wagon]

if you cant grab it due to left/right then you have it too far apart, try to make small changes, its tricky

[dawn elk]

Alright

got any tips for the pointing left one handed?
I'm guessing increase / decrease angle between the butt, not sure though

the cups are holding the controller at an angle, and don't allow rotating like the raidr does

[royal wagon]

the game has a strangely slightly offset angle inwards with one hand, i think i know why and i reporte dit to the devs, i suspect that will get adjusted

pointing left one hnaded?

[dawn elk]

yeah

not slightly though 😅 decent bit

[royal wagon]

thats what this is for

its like 7'

[dawn elk]

Could you send a top-down image of your setup? to get a rough idea of the angles between stock/back controller and front/back controller

[dawn elk]

Awesome thanks

Had the back controller rotated a bunch to the right
Guessing that's no good

[royal wagon]

thats a bit much

[onyx crescent]

Who got a good quest 3 gunstock for around $75 that ships to US

[dawn elk]

T was more comfortable placing the cheek weld though, otherwise it felt like I had to lean in quite a lot

[royal wagon]

if you have to lean in a lot you dont have hte right height

you should be more bringing your cheekrest to your face than leaning in

show me your current stock setup? i feel like last time i saw it you had the rear controller pulled too far back

[pure crown]

whats the best cheap gunstock for quest 2

[dawn elk]

No major changes since the picture I sent, only playing around rotating the front controller basically

[royal wagon]

this picture?

[dawn elk]

Yeah

[royal wagon]

yeah, push the rear controller forwards one notch

[dawn elk]

Notch as in a small amount I'm guessing

[royal wagon]

you should point your finger forwards and it should be paralell to the ground

its an indexed joint, you can only move it in fixed increments

[dawn elk]

Oh like that, so the whole controller is leaning a tad forward and not sitting up right

[dawn elk]

Yeah I think I get what you mean
Can't try it out right now, 2.30am here and put everything away 😅
Will try that tomorrow when I'm gonna mess about with it some more
I'll also change the angles up a bit, get it closer to the other image you sent

[gritty flame]

Well I just put together the Tabor Raider Stock and Buttstock and all I can say is fuck...

[steep orbit]

@onyx crescent checkout the BrandoVR Ultistock

[turbid comet]

Buying the raidr was the worst thing ever

[turbid comet]

It broke on me because I was making sure my controller was on tight 💀

[waxen echo]

i guess combat waffle cant release anything without it having problems💀 (In Game Or Real Life)

[turbid comet]

😭💀

[pliant oyster]

Only supposed to go on hole 5

[worldly shale]

anyone know what the return policy for the raidr is?

if you pre ordered that is

[quaint spoke]

what’s a good gunstick that can detach controllers so i can reload and loot

[long kite]

Protube

[calm blaze]

Been running the olen VR quest 3 stock

Broke in first twenty minutes and had to melt it back together with a lighter

Scratches my fucking hands all the time

Eventually went to the website. Can't return if broken. Need to pay 30 dollars for new parts

20 dollar shipping

I threw it back in the fucking box ... Just gonna get a new gunstock at that point

[lethal sinew]

https://youtu.be/fFEW5c7WxI4

Idea based on @vital hinge and @hazy raft

If you own the Tabor Raidr and a Protube/ModusR, definitely try this out.

[mental lance]

My replacement parts are free, and the shipping on them is only 13$. But I make things with margins of sturdiness to avoid that. Checkout Butcher VR Gunstock.

[calm blaze]

got a link?

[lavish dew]

yup me in action Magtube/protube https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dSLcQl37xlQ

[ancient temple]

guys what is the best, avarage priced gunstock for ghosts of tabor? it has to ship worldwide

[spark lintel]

what is average priced

[ancient temple]

up to 100$

for competetive play

[mental lance]

Here it is.
The site is in my profile.
https://youtu.be/1EhkG5i1U2o?feature=shared

[pure crown]

Ultistock or 7thvr. If you want the best of the best save up for a magtube

[fervent socket]

Show us your 7th vr stock.. I wanna see the controllers in the grips.. not in vr mode video though.. I’m curious iv had some other ones and they tend to slip out slightly it’s like there never 100 percent perfect to mould to controller

[pure crown]

@ashen hull Can show you. As i have said my one is still in Bulgarian customs.

[ancient temple]

and magtube does ship ww right? i might just go for it even tho in my currency its 700, very expensive

[pure crown]

Where are you from ?

[ancient temple]

poland

[pure crown]

Poland is in the EU right ?

[ancient temple]

yep

[pure crown]

Shipping is with dhl express 4-5 days

They ship from France

So your magtube wont even go through customs

[ancient temple]

is this good or bad

oh right, and it does say that international delivery is within 3-5 days so it will be on its way in 3-5 days, or will i have it in 3-5 days at my doorstep?

[pure crown]

It gets sent out in about 2 business days then 3-5 days to arrive in your country. After that your postal company deals with it

[ancient temple]

so i assume up to 2 weeks it will be at my home, correct?

[pure crown]

About 8-10 days in my opinion

[ancient temple]

great, then i might go ahead and order it

thanks

[pure crown]

Happy to help !

[ancient temple]

still is 700 in my currency 😭

[pure crown]

One good thing to know. The fully carbon verison weights about 120 grams less

[ancient temple]

thats a decent diffrence

[pure crown]

Yeah

Are you using an index ?

[ancient temple]

then il go with the carbon tubes

[ancient temple]

quest 2, dont plan on switching out

[pure crown]

Okay because the chrome tubes can mess up index hmd

That's why i tell people to just buy fully carbon

[ancient temple]

great

[fickle dawn]

@hollow zinc I should be getting my stock today! I’m looking forward to trying it out

[pure crown]

From the protube discord

[ancient temple]

il double check my budget and if it allows me to handle the price increase il go for it

[pure crown]

Great

[hollow zinc]

Awesome!!!

[maiden tree]

just got it, feels good was it worth it? (Protube magtube)

[ancient temple]

90% im getting it, is it very good?

[ashen hull]

@pure crown

[ashen hull]

once again I have V1 of the stock. I'm fairly sure @pure crown gf has different grips.

[fervent socket]

Thanks so much for that!!

[ashen hull]

No problem buddy

Literally just sat at my desk so was perfect timing

[dawn elk]

just ran the first few raids with my Magtube
definitely neeed to fine tune calibration a bunch, but damn its nice

[spark lintel]

once you commit it to muscle memory it'll be difficult to go back

[dawn elk]

yeah hooking the magnets up took some time

main issue im having rn with calibration is that every rifle is fairly good, except the M1A Sass is like 5cm higher than other weapons

alpha, tapco, vss 'n stuff were fine

[spark lintel]

i'd say run a small map like silo to get used to fighting with it quicker

[fervent socket]

Is this v1 also?

[ashen hull]

Yeah mate, looks like it

that's identical to what my grips look like

[eager gale]

Don’t really know much about gun stocks for vr, but would it be good to put magnets into the bottom of where the controllers go and print something for the controllers to have a magnet?

[dawn elk]

Does anyone have tips for calibrating rifles, specifically the M1A Sass? its sitting muuuuch higher than all other rifles
or is there just no way around that

[eager gale]

I guess you could try aiming lower

[dawn elk]

nah the gun is sitting sitting up really high, all other rifles are fine

[dawn elk]

Galil as well, and some other weapons I don't actually care about
Seems a few rifles just socket significantly higher than others

[pure crown]

The gunstock splits in 2 like the raidr

[maiden tree]

It takes some getting used to but it’s really good

[gritty flame]

ok. This stock is bad. Like really bad. Even if they ship me the correct replacement parts I don't see how this stock could ever be useable. This is insane...

[shy mulch]

Are you talking about the official Tabor stock?

[gritty flame]

yes...

[shy mulch]

Yeah. It’s horribly bad

[gritty flame]

I'm going to stick to my Ulti stock which is fast and stable.

[gritty flame]

What were they thinking?

[royal wagon]

Yep, should be exactly 1 notch up on the front tube

[gritty flame]

Apparently they don't give refunds. I'm too scared to ask because I don't want them to ban my account lol. I could sell it on Ebay for $40 but I don't have the heart to pawn this off on some poor kid.

[royal wagon]

That’s how the socket geometry works for that gun

[gritty flame]

Just gonna have to write this up as a $120 loss.

[shy mulch]

They don’t give refunds?! On a product that was never tested or reviewed by anyone before release…for no one to have any idea about the product and be stuck with it once we got it? That’s bad business if that’s the case

[gritty flame]

They are lucky this game is so good lol. If it was any other developer I would probably be more pissed off.

Oh well.

[median cove]

How is it unusable? I’m curious about your critique

[shy mulch]

I believe you can return it. I sent an email about returning mine and I got a response last week on what I needed to do to return it

[ancient temple]

guys since the magtube is too expensive, should i wait for the opening of ultistock, or get myself a 7thvr stock? im looking for mid-long range good stability

[royal wagon]

Save up for the Magtube imo

[gritty flame]

Is it anything crazy?

[pure crown]

7thvr will do the job. If you are just looking for stability long range.

[gritty flame]

Don't know about the magtube but the ulti stock as been incredible. I don't use the brace as it is intended but I use it as a grip. Works perfectly.

[shy mulch]

Nothing crazy. Just needs to be in the original box back to the original shipping address

[gritty flame]

ok cool.

[pure crown]

The rubber grips suck balls respectfully

[median cove]

I know, he said besides that

[pure crown]

The mounts too

Dedicated model cups will do the job so much better in my opinion

[ancient temple]

well lets just say my hands are a bit short, will that still fit the bill? is it even a little bit customizabl3e

well it says its for quest 3, and i own the quest 2

[gritty flame]

It's like the Matrix. One can not describe it. You have to see it for yourself.

[median cove]

I do have one

[gritty flame]

The thing looks cool as hell but it is HEAVY, BULKY, UNWIELDLY, and it keeps loostening up AND the rubber grips feel terrible, AND its squishy and moves around a lot in the hand...

[gritty flame]

How do you like it?

[pure crown]

They are testing out the quest 2 version cups at the moment

[median cove]

It seems super light and intuitive to me, but I’m also waiting for the replacement before I test it for real

[pure crown]

The stock isnt long at all

[ancient temple]

sad, so thats uncompatible, any other good gunstocks in the same price range as 7thvr?

[pure crown]

Hm

[median cove]

I also greatly prefer my magtube, that thing is a dream

[ancient temple]

how about the full kit quest 2 gun face? its magnetic so idk

[pure crown]

Im trying to think of ones based in the EU because it has to go with customs in your country otherwise for clearance

[pure crown]

Tracking is not ideal on that

[ancient temple]

yeah i tried shipping one stock and sadly it did not make it through customs

not THE onestock, but just some stock

[pure crown]

Okay

[ancient temple]

that sadly restricts me

[pure crown]

The magtube will be costly but its one im sure of

[ancient temple]

yeah its too expensive sadly

1 pln= 4.5usd

[pure crown]

I would say wait like 2 weeks for an updated quest 2 7thvr or save up for a magtube

[ancient temple]

well its not about saving up, my "parental guardians" dont allow me to becouse of the steep price

[dawn elk]

heyy that actually works
puts the front controller a bunch closer, so its not the most comfortable distance for my arm, but atleast it does the trick with a single adjustment

[pure crown]

Ohhh

Yeah wait for a 7thvr quest 2 version then

[dawn elk]

played around with that a bunch, and it seems to work pretty alright now for angled / shift grip. Can go between the weapons I actually care about going either one notch down from straight, or one notch up

[pure crown]

I can only recommend you things im sure of

[ancient temple]

damn

raptor seems good aswell but magnets

[pure crown]

Only other gunstock i can think of is skolvr but his shit is overpriced in my opinion and takes 3 weeks to ship

[pure crown]

Show me a pic of it

[ancient temple]

weird structure

i dont think it will be comfortable

[pure crown]

Nah it wont work good

[ancient temple]

and any gun-shaped gunstocks arent good right?

[pure crown]

No that wont get through customs

[gritty flame]

Scott just came into general to ban some kid for telling me to rope myself LMAOOOO

[ancient temple]

oh right its literaly a plastic gun

[gritty flame]

1 day timeout

[pure crown]

Yeah

[ancient temple]

so any gunstock that comes from the us is excluded aswell, well then im stuck with shaky hands and no aim whatsoever in ghosts of tabor

[royal wagon]

Show me a pic of your stock from the side, I wonder if you have the front cup too close

[pure crown]

Virtual gunstock is always an option

[ancient temple]

its mid mid mid

[pure crown]

Hey i use that lol

[ancient temple]

my bullets just dont fly straight

[pure crown]

Because my 7th is still in Bulgarian customs

[ancient temple]

i have to wait a long time for quest 2 sadly

[royal wagon]

No, bullets don’t fly straight, they have a ballistic arc

[ancient temple]

i meant cqc sights and general aim is off

[royal wagon]

Skill issue

[dawn elk]

yeah I moved it forward a bunch, that way it would line up with the ingame grip (allow me to let go / regrip while on the magnet)
but im not sure its the best solution

[royal wagon]

Front looks about right

The rear matches your length of pull? You followed that step right?

[dawn elk]

yeah

[royal wagon]

That’s the key to ergonomics

[dawn elk]

overall this works pretty well
most guns are on one notch down, M1A & Galil worked better on one notch up

so its just a +2 or -2 to go between weapons, which can easily be done

[pure crown]

Not that long

[royal wagon]

Yep. That’s the protube magic

[dawn elk]

nothing works on the straight setting lol
its all -1 or +1