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Great
Return the raidr?
No. I redesigned it. š
Awesome dude! š
Canāt return it on tabor site
how do i get a knif
Yes you can. Just send it back to the address it came from
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He also said money back guarantee. And could cancel a preorder if neededā¦. But he went back on that promise
Sorry about earlier I was suposto reply to other guy but my fat thumbs accidentally tagged u
January I reached out to see if order went through. I got reply yes itās on track, Feb try cancel order: no reply. March no reply, then order sent,, now I email again no reply, others have same problem . They reach out to him and he ask whatās wrong why want to return. Then he wonāt reply them! So how would I have faith in sending a fix?
Is this Mamut or tabor? Cause Iām doing tabor and get nowhere
I donāt give a shit. Thereās the email if you want to return it
Thatās from the cws
Whatās cws?
Combat waffle studios
GOT studio
Thatās the one
Remember also that Mika is the only one that Iām aware of dealing with emails.
You have your solution though.
Ok
Do u know if any one actually got a good quality unit?
All iv heard was problems . I would love to see some one in here that owns a perfect version
I don't know of any yet
Everyone is having similar issues. Thatās why they are sending out a fix
I mean even not defective, it doesn't seem like the weight of the buttstock is ideal
And where all that weight is situated
If you state thereās a fix on the way then itās by definition defective
I'm talking about even if there were units with no defect, the design isn't exactly ideal
And I heard problems with comfort and something pushing into your hand, which I also doubt is just a defect
@steep orbit hey man, I saw you mentioning that you had some setup tips for the ultistock for tabor, whatcha got? Iāve been having a hard time with mine
Can dm if youād prefer
Why talk about hypothetical when thereās no reason? Thereās a fix therefore they admit thereās a defect. End of story
@lean hare im interested as well
Hey I just got my GOT gun stock and Iāve been trying to calibrate it but Iām having trouble really sealing the deal. Any tips?
Return it ahaha
to clarify. The up and down/ back and forward calibration is cool but the angle at which I put the sight picture isnāt directly pointing straight from my right eye (itās canted slightly left) and from what I read, itās a problem with how the front hand affects the orientation that gun stock calibration doesnāt mitigate. Correct me if Iām wrong but no one actually shoots 90 degrees perpendicular to their dominant eye do they? I digress
I'm not arguing what you're saying lol. All I'm saying is the design itself, even if it worked, is not the greatest
The gun stock is fine lol at the end of the day itās just a tube with a stock at the end š Iām having trouble on the client side
Ooh nice u got a a good quality one š thatās awesome.. any chance can send a pic sometime? Yeah I have that same problem with one of my old gun stocks š¦ I never got it fixed same problem
Gotchu brother man
@fervent socket
It doesnāt need calibration
That looks so cool. Didnāt realise can use the grips
Bro⦠it really does. Like no joke if I put the sight picture up to my eye without totally tweaking it, it is completely off
Yuh active straps make it actually usable lmaooo
I had that with snipers every time
Would it change anything if u put the stock the other way?
Thatās awesome
with the stock further away it allows my arm to be extended more and use my shoulder as leverage. If it was the other way id have to basically chicken wing my back arm lol
i really do enjoy it, but the back stock is made out of heavy metal. i wish it was made of plastic because it gets kinda heavy no lie
i typically just play without it tbh
Do u ever find yourself tighting the screws in controller mount
It really doesnāt.
That was one of the selling points and thereās 10 people here saying the same
i just did that now lmaooo yes they get loose a lot, and they are cheap and from putting like a arms worth of torque, the screws are already stripping ...........
guys im so excited im getting my gunstock tomorrow
if your talking about the raidr look at announcemnts
yeah dude idk. im giving it another go now
thats actually hugeeee
yeah i heard they were ass and i did NOT wamt to return it, so im happy they will just send it out to whoever has it or whiever has theirs being shipped
The screws are really low quality
sorry my fingers are so fat i cant type
its really just the screws. you can go to hardware store and replace them if its really that serious, but yee new mounts are dope
What are we looking at ?
what screws are they?
I might replace them and use the new controller mounts too
omg fat fingers
tabor raidr
Damit⦠if u ever fix the wobble let me know
they are sending out new conteoller mounts to fix it
you dont have to return it or anything, it should automatically ship to you
i did just now. just good little good n' tight with a screw driver does the trick, but it happens quite often
Your stock is upside down
okay make the screws super tight, noted
maybe they like it that way
That could account for the need to calibrate
Donāt over tight though.. I heard ppl fuck there screw and then they get stuck canāt remove screw
got it
Possibly but it is also incorrect operation
im on vacation right now and my stock cane here monday, i just want to go home ššš
i tried it in both configurations, just a comfort preference tbh. i typically play without it bc its heavy
I think the metal stock was a bad idea tbh
Dam them š¦
i think its meant to be heavy for ārealismā reasons, but scott will just say thats a skill issue
on i need to drink more milk. dammit scott....
Nah it was a quality thing if I remember correctly
Abx could confirm
Was it for good quality or bad quality
Good to say āhey itās all quality metal construction.ā
metal stock is kinda crazy LMAO id rather have to replace it after a while then having sore wrists from back-heavy awkwardness
Triangle stock wouldāve been nice
This one of my complaints
your meant to always have it tucked jnto your shoulder/armpit area so i think thats why your hands ares sore
While shooting. Everything else not so much
Based off the only video of soemone using the stock so far
is the i stock gunstock good? i ordered one but wanna know
Yes it good
the only problem is the cobtroller mounts, but they are automatic shipping out new and improved ones
other than that its fine
okay
and the buttstock is kinda heavy
how is it good? not bad? goof for price?
its a gun stock for sure LOL idk i kinda just wanted it for sniping bc its virtually impossible to hit long shots without one, but for normal run and gun play styles i find it kind of cumbersome.
Isnāt it 3d printed?
only reasom i got mine
i mught just not play with the buttstock when i play missile but when i plai island ill use buttstock
thats the route im taking as well. no buttstock its almost like no weight difference. good distribution
What if u slide the controllers up higher more away from bottom of tubes?
Distribute weight better?
Nope
Connected isnāt a problem. Disconnected is the weight problem
Yeah but in video controllers are higher up. In his picture there close to bottom I though cause itās a long sick moving it slightly higher up on both would make weight distribution better.
Then you wonāt be able to have proper hand attachment
So the guy in video didnāt have proper hand attachment? Iām clueless
For me I had to have them positioned identical to my ar
U think 7th vr one would be perfect?
Iām not sure. Doesnāt look adjustable but I believe someone in here swears by it
oh well i run naked raids and my gun im using always changes so is it gonna suck
And that same person doesn't even own it yet š
Oh I didnāt know
You don't need adjustability with a split stock the raidr is a perfect example of that
Im not the only one who swears by it @ashen hull Owns one and he loves it
I do
Is it carbon fiber and adjustable? No, but it doesn't try to be those things. It's simply a lightweight gun stock that's highly functional and I like it a lot and the staff are very helpful. Genuinely used to be shit without it haha
You kinda do as you canāt grip all guns the same.
I've experienced two guns that are awkward to hold but then again I never use them
it's that tommy gun looking scav gun, not the tommy gun tho and the sks
The raidr is adjustable
Yes it is
You can move the mount locations. Thatās what I mean
Personally I've never needed to do that
Can you adjust the mount for the 7thvr?
Like I never even touched my in game settings lol
No, it's all fixed and comes fully assembled
It just sort of works out the box, no change of settings etc
I had to for initial setup
which is what I wanted
Ok
I literally had to do nothing except get used to using a stock haha
^
SKS is fine really but tbh I never use it
I've had the same issues while im using raidr
Not really
No
Oh HEY brain storm
I've never personally with my stock been like "Damn I wish I configured my stock" š
To fix the raider ring clamps
But the grips are shit and the metal rod on the back kinda scratched my quest 3 headset
Why was it in your face?
I tried to grab something with the buttstock attachment and had to bend down
Gotcha
The real question is why is there a metal rod thats called a buttstock on the gunstock
For bracing
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They could have made a better one with that price tag
100GBP to scratch my vr broski

Nah
You have to climb ladders so carefully like a grandma
And many other things
With the buttstock attachment ?
Yea
Hm interesting
So 
Thing is church there is no one best gun stock. It's all about value for money at the end of the day and perceived value for the customer. In this case I have used probably 5+ gunstocks and I just like the 7thVR one the best.
I will summarize below:
- It's lightweight
- It's not got floating parts like the iStock (my left hand shakes so wouldn't be ideal for this kind of stock)
- It's strong
- Their support was excellent and they cut me great deals
- They have a small team which means it's more personal
- They don't tend to make the consumer feel like it's a skill issue, they just deal with the problem like bro who had the quest 2. Straight up refunded him and offered him a free replacement when their Q2 edition is sorted
Is it the "best" probably not. It's still 3D Printed, but for me it is the best.
I hope this helps
Im just glad i didnt break anything on my vr
Get me a deal too Iāll buy it
Bro, just ask them š
They on here?
I'm yet to speak to someone directly on discord, although they've referenced things I've said here in live support lol
What was shipping time
For me, I'm in the UK it's typical royal mail times so like 1-2 days first class and whatever second class is
Oh
if you're abroad and like @pure crown you could be unlucky with customs, took like 9 days to clear UK customs alone or some shit
And now its in Bulgarian customs š
His gf got his super quick, she happens to be in the UK right now
Took like 3 days for her one
So yeah, quite quick I'd say
And for a 3D print its pretty strong in my opinion
I dropped mine all the way down the stairs lol, my desk is next to my balcony and it did damage slightly but honestly it's not needed
Whyās is she in the uk ?
Personal stuff
Yooo.
Do not buy raidr from CWS.
They WILL NOT REFUND no matter what!
If your like me and tried to refund, REPORT WITH CREDIT CARD COMPANY AS FRAUD. This is a SCAM .
They cannot do this.
Just ship it back to them what are you on about
why you want a refund ? is this the raider gun stock?
reason for refund?
Defective unit, and with no info provided for what the new parts are or when they are being sent out does no disqualify it for a refund. This is fraud. It is a defective unit
How is it defective?
I'm guessing if you speak to their support like this they won't be very helpful lol
No I was very nice in the support, which is why I'm pissed now.
Even fish had commented on how fucked this is before deleting the comment
How is it defective?
The whole thing about the controller mounts? Screws unscrew themselves, controllers don't stay in the rubber strap, the magnet fittings on the tube come completely off with them fully screwed in
What is the best budget gun stock for tabor?
The rubber strap is shit your right there
Define budget
The whole thing is shit
Our fault for trusting it
Around $80-$110
I just reported to credit card company for fraud. If more people do this then cws will be in deep shit. DO IT
Yeah that sucks Leaders. I would email them and get it all in writing. Be as friendly as you can, say you'd like to use your 13 day refund policy
Europe or USA ?
Make sure to get it in writing, then seek legal advice if necessary
I did. I got denied. They will not refund no matter what
USA
Ultistock is good in USA
Ultistock by @hollow zinc
CWS does not do the 14 day return. Only Mamut which sucks
damn
Ok thanks I will look in to it
then homie should have read the TOS
Well they should thats such a scam lol
Yup
CWS will not refund no matter what. REPORT PURCHASE AS FRAUD. FUCK THIS COMPANY ITS A SCAM
Damn

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So you enjoy getting scammed lol I'll sell you my used gum and put it in a wrapper as new for you
So they will just send you the fix replacement part right?
I have done thatš
So they will just send you the fix replacement part right? no refund though?
Yes. But what are parts are they replacing? No info has been provided
anyone got either Tomahawk VR Gunstock 3in1 or full BUTCHER VR Gunstock Multi Tool or raider gunstock ? casue i wanna get one but idk which
Wait and see I suppose, patience is key buddy.
Well no lol this Is literally fraud
They're going to try and make the order right before speaking about a refund
Well, no it's not
It is still the same product listed so it isn't fraud
There is 0 proof of these new parts even exist
Or what they are or when they are being sent. No info at all
Empty promises
Doesn't have to be. You got the product listed however it's just faulty. Their next course of action would be to: Refund, repair or replace the faulty goods.
This is not fraud, in fact it's far from it. Would have been fraud if you got a picture of a stock in the post lol
In this case they chose to replace parts of it
so just sit tight
It is. They won't refund for my faulty product. Which is fraud
Tape fixes everything though
They don't have to buddy
They're replacing the faulty parts which is fine
It says in their refund policy that they will refund for defective units.
It's the same thing legally
probably gonna have to wait another 3 months for it, but i guess them recognizing that there is an issue is good enough for now.
it is not
^ exactly
sorry to budge in like that
bro thinks he's Michael from Suits
Upon further inspection of the mount that people (including myself) are having trouble with, i found that the attaching hardware is pretty cheap and the part securing the mount only has one notch for stabilzation. i feel like better hardware and perhaps another notch for the mount would really go a long way
Hence the replacement ^^
Just gotta wait Leadersofthelost
IF the replacement sucks
then speak to them
but frankly it does work, it's just a bit flappy
This is no different to for instance the quest 3 having dead pixels on some units
to which they replaced the units
would you say that was fraud? No.
just because this effected you
You can still use tape or glue to get a perm fix but they'll provide their own fix for you
just use white plumbers tape or Blue Loctite for the screws.
^^
i really need some loctite lol that would work charms i bet
Literally
boutta hit the hardware store rn chaps cheers
Nice one dude goodluck
Like the bottom line is @violet depot the stock works perfectly fine in practice, although functionally there are some small issues that are being corrected in the form of replacement parts to fix these slight issues.
There are some fixes you can put into place right now in order to fix those small functional issues or you can wait for your free replacement parts.
This is similar to the Quest 2 faceguard causing rashes, they sent out sillicon guards.
This is similar to the Quest 3 having serious issues with dead pixels at launch, they sent out replacement units with the fix implemented.
Both of these situations weren't fraud. You cannot simply go around calling it that, might get yourself into trouble (Libel in this case) as what you're falsely saying could in theory cause financial loss for both companies.
Best suggestions?
- Wait for replacement parts
- Implement permenant fix you've been told by other Raidr users
I think what the most likely thing that has happened here is you're unhappy with your purchase, which frankly is fair.
Lol so I paid $120 to fix something? So if I have to fix it, that means it's not working as intended. Which is the definition of defective
Literally the defintion
I've personally seen @pure crown go like 2 games without it loosening up. You could use locktite and fix it instantly. The company could literally send you the same product with detailed instructions and you'd not be able to do a thing
But they're choosing to send some better parts
Yeah after some days its not loosening up anymore
between the wield vr and the protube, what would you say is the superiour stock and why?
Wield vr in my opinion
7thVR.com lol
or ultistock
not familiar with that one
Neither of them have a waiting list or cost over £100 GBP
Waiting lists dont matter, you can find invite codes everywhere
Ahh fair
I just got my protube and its amazing
also i use an index
"From what I've found on the net, the Valve Index Controllers weigh about 196 grams each" š
Not being hateful towards skol but stay away from them if you have index controllers
idk what a skol is
never met the man
š
Mines hopefully arriving Friday
A fellow gentleman I see
I have no idea who or what ur talking about š
you can always do the one handed/forearm stock
Don't worry about it then good sir haha
Which is really good shipping, considering I ordered monday night / Tuesday at like 1am lmfao
could you elaborate as to why youd pick the protube over the weild?
i dont have any experience but i have very shaky hands
so i dont hit stuff thats further than 20 meters away
literally
Three reasons:
- Support and customer base is better
- Waiting lists to artificially make you think they're more popular than they are
- Quality
Also extension of 1: Their staff are super helpful in this server
My left hand shakes like crazy too. That's why I'm cracked now I have a stock hahah
wait just so we r clear its the magtube stock right
True waiting lists for a vr gunstock is cringe
Idk protube is backed by a lot of pro's in competitions, i never really looked at wield and when i did, it didnt really appeal to me, support is amazing. Shipping times were quick. I enjoy the cheek wield. I love how easy it is to make small adjustments on the fly. Comes with a 2 point sling. I enjoy the grips and the cups/magnets.
I know right, it's so misleading to the consumer. It creates urgency which isn't good for those with spending issues etc.
Yeah
Plus wield will start shipping to you april if you order now
I checked
Fr
Protube they put it all together for you. I got full carbon and with the controllers its so light.
Yeah that's why ive been thinking about getting a magtube full carbon but ill see how my 7th is first
You cannot compare them I'm afraid
You cannot but if the 7thvr is enough for me i wont get a magtube yk
who's doing waiting lists?
That's like comparing a really appropriate ford puma 2023 for your family to a ferarri š
Yeah at first i got the chrome tubes, but was able to upgrade fully pretty quickly. Its going to be my only gunstock so i went all out lol.
Wield vr's onestock
ah
now that's scummy hahha
yeah thats weird lmao
Idk if bro screaming fraud earlier is more calm if he's more angry xD
I literally ordered magtube, went to sleep, and woke up to an email that it shipped
shits good
he stopped talking lol
Damn nice dude
which of the extras would you recommend getting?
for?
YUP! Shipping was fast but DHL fucked up and i complained HARD LOL!
damn thats unfortunate xd
for the protube?
yea
I got the sling and the grips
I personally just went all out, full carbon and mk2 butt
everything else really doesnt matter. I might get the mk2 butt but idk
the grips dont have an index option though
getting the upgraded part later costs more than buying it initially, since the mk1 just isnt included at all
so i just got it right away
yeah thats what i was thinking but ah well. Wanted to see the Mk1 before getting the mk2
can someone recommend me a good gunstock
just wait till a certain person comes in here bitching and complaining about the raidr.
i can only find ones for the quest 3
He is in here everyday. Complaining about the devs going on vacation all the time and doing nothing.
They just released their game a year ago and had major updates recently
where he think they'll be lol
yeahhhh he thinks he can make a better tabor LOL
yeaaah he will come in here complaining about the calibration and the gunstock, but it seems its literally a skill issue for him. He is the only one that has the issues....
then go about how the devs never fix anything and are always on vacation and not doing anything.
yk i was wondering about that
seems to me he doesnt manage to calibrate it properly
the prostrap grips dont apply to the index do they?
btw if ur ordering a protube use Welcome10-10.00%
Discount VRML - 2023
20% off total
@wild ruin
From my personal experience the mk1 works just as good.
But again thays personaly option. Being some one who comp shoots irl adjusting butt stock up or down isn't what I am after. It's the ergonomic feel and best eye relief I can get to the scope
The whole thing?
Anyone else conceal carry their stocks on them in public or is it just me
I made it out of wood so I can take it to places like schools and courthouses
What the fuck????
š¤£
best beginner gun to spawn in with bought from shop
The only way to stop a bad guy with a gunstock is a good guy with a gunstock
How r u gonna throw hands at a bad guy with a gunstock in public
Imagine bro gets caught in lidl with a gunstock š
I keep that Thang on me
gets armed police pulling up on him xD
Finally got it
I agree pretty mid my 3d printed stock works better but eh $100 is nothing
Understandable
Prolly gonna 3d print my own controller mounts and call it a day
Same tbh
Worth 60 at best tbh
Iām gonna work on a 3d printed shoulder rest and make it public so people can print one
its 2 seperate codes
@nocturne lotus question
Will the warrant be extended for this new parts? Cws said the answer will come from you all.
Tag me when you answer
First day and thing are falling off already..
Most mid stock of all time
Even though I think itās dumb, thatās āsupposedā to happen
Hahaha ha this is like cyber truck tent expectations vs reality
It just doesn't make any sense on how it supose to happen then just make it that way....
Lol
^
Yeah I donāt get it lol, supposedly it functions without the hat, and I understand that. They say itās glued on for shipping, which makes no sense. But why even glue it on then?
It does work still but exactly not like anything would get damaged it is rubber... hahah
we fell victim to the hype
bru hwtf
Cheap ass gunstock š¤£
How much does it cost?
fr
LOL yeah its like a curtain rod and a magnet LOL!
LMFAO
https://www.amazon.co.uk/Glistco-Magni-Stock-Controller-Adapter/dp/B08MBM1X3Y Carbon fiber Magnetic gunstock, fully adjustable, and about $100 lmfao
and fragile
No thanks I'll stick to magtube
same. I got that and the raidr....
Why do y'all treat gunstocks as pokemon
Raidr has potential once the issues are fixed. But nothing will feel as good in my hands as the magtube. Being fully adjustable as it is
for anyone who ive talked to recently. I had the loosy goosy problem with the Radr, and i put loctite on the screws attaching the mounts and played 10 intense raids and no wiggles!! straight beams baby
like gotta buy them all
that or white plumbers tape for less permanent
i tried that didnt work :/ might be user error but i settled for semi permanent loctite. should be able to remove with handtools lmao
as long as its blue and not red LOL!
Kinda removes the point of the easy adjustability
that parts not supposed to be adjustable. its the literal mount
What part of the mount
Because if it's what holds the tube I'd think you'd want to be able to move the mount on the tube
the attaching hardware that keeps it on the clamps. not the lateral adjustment piece.
ah
Is the $40 add on literally just that buttstock piece that you attach to the tube
yup
That's insane lol that's such a ripoff
What is the point of the magnets on a split stock if it has those little prongs to line it up anyways
To be fair I prefer heavy stocks over lighter stocks
im not impressed with that piece of the design
it doesnt naturally slide in due to the shape, the angles are too steep and the indentation too shallow you can end up having it misaligned
Yup happened to me my first few raids and i gave up, along with the controllers constantly sliding out.
I thought it had small things sticking out so that it always lock in the same position
Like can you turn the parts independently while attached?
it does, but the issues I mentioned prevent it from working as smoothly as I think it is intended
Did anyone QAQC this stuff before deciding to produce it ššššš
they did. And Mamut stated everything was perfect. They found the problem in production so they are trying to find out how and why.
Big Ls
I feel like the magnet design not working well isn't a production issue
Feel like they should have Qual checked the first several hundred mass produced before shipping. Not just toss it all in a box with. No shipped instructions
agreed but nothing we can do now
Atleast they admit there a problem and will fix it
yeah thats what im glad about as well
Ayooooo i seen i had a combat waffle email. I click and it says my raidr been delivered š„¹
that's too bad
so im having some issues with calibration i cant get my left hand to grab the foregrip
there was a QR code placed rather oddly in the box it came in
Just starting the game today and have a protuber gunstock, worth starting the game from begining with that?
protube is the way to go
Thanks, wasnt sure if this game was one of those that is janky with it, so wanna start the game the best way ha
Calibration is a bit janky but not too bad
I am finally about to receive my Raider stock in the mail tomorrow and apparently it sucks??? WTF??!?!?! Right now Iām using the ulti-stock. Please tell me I might have a better experieince than others.
nope lol
well i mean it depends on you really LOL

Does it suck like really really bad????
I mean I paid $120 for it...
SIGH
Fuck my life
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Your controller doesn't fall out?
mine def do.. makes me want to eat a frosted bowl of blasting caps...
Does Combat Waffles really not give a shit? lol...
please read that post regarding the status on the raidr
its been acknowledged and they will address it
Well they addressed that there is an issue and will send replacement parts, but will not take refunds so idk up to you on how you see it tbh
...
this is a community channel, if you have issues with CWS you should email support@combatwaffle.com
"<@&1087883814170275992> we are working with Mamut to solve the issues some of you are having with the Raidr stock. We chose mamut as our partner because they stand behind their products. That being said we also stand behind what we put our name on.
When mamut gives us the okay and we get the new pieces into our facility we will begin shipping all stocks with the new controller mounts that are sitting here in stock still and will will ship all 500 of you who already have the stocks either in hand or on the way the new pieces immediately."
I ordered mine like a month or 2 ago and it just shipped like 2 or 3 days ago. Does this mean they put the fixed parts on my stock????
probably not
ok. I will remain calm... How fucked am I? Can I just ducttape my way outta this?
mmm yeah. White plumbers tape or blue Loctite will fix some of the problems
i would probably get red loctite
oh jeez
the parts can handle high torque
red loctite isnt that much stronger, its my standard go to
I mean i'm getting kinda annoyed right now too, no confirmation email about the pre-order was weird enough, but i got my "order has been shipped" email over 14 days ago now and i still can't even track the package, have sent 2 emails about this shit and yet to get a response. $120 spent early for literally nothing in return, not even an email.
send an email to support@combatwaffle.com
mate.
what do you think we can help you with here?
I feel your pain brother. At least I have an ulti-brace stock that has been working pretty well.
i just wanna see if anyone else is having this bullshit happen to them š¤£
Yes.
hi
I love this game, I can't play anything else now... I finally got to the point where I don't have a panic attack every time I enter raid.
yeah this is the first stock i've ordered and mainly got it because of it being from tabor, but i've had nothing but an ultra shit experience so far, an email would atleast be nice
and even when I die I learn something and am not even mad.
Yeah I feel you. I am hoping this stock is gonna be amazing.
!Guys with whole types of gunstocks out there, you may be interested in reaching this guy in comments and ask him to check out your favourite stock.
Put those hopes down for noe

yeah and all the shit i've been reading about the people have used it so far is making everything worse š¤£
agreed. I'd start at 0 then when you get it and use the stock, then go up, but for now start a 0
waiting this long to get a shit stick
curtain hanger and a magnet
sounds like it would be better rn
Am I the only one that can head shot people from 150 meters by 1 tapping a few times but super up closes fights usually lose?
im sure there are others
you're probably just panicking honestly, from long range you feel you have that saftey so you can take your time to aim, cqb you dont have that time and you're probably panic shooting
hmmmmmm...
first few 100 hours on escape from tarkov i was the same, close range insta fights i'd panic my mouse and flick away a lil too much from the person
So I saw that there are people banned from the game for real money trading? How do they get caught? I feel like for people who work or have family or business, it would be so much easier if you could pay $20 for a GPU 
I just got my tabor gunstock and the stock is missing the butstock is this normal?
check the box
just gotta be calm and literally expect to be in a fight at any time, practice insta raising your gun to certain points so when you get into a real fight its just muscle memory
DId you order both items? $120 in total.
its not in there bro trust me
i know someone thought they had the same problem but they looked further into the box and they found it and almost threw it away
No dude.
You need to also order the buttstock sold sepereately....
They did not make it easy to figure out on their website.
Sorry
why would it be sold speratly?
oh then yeah you just got the raidr and not the butt
TABOR RAIDR Split Stock - Base set 1 $68.00
TABOR RAIDR Split Stock - Buttstock 1 $32.00
Subtotal: $100.00
Capitalism...
jesus dude and i cant even buy the buttstock because its sold out.... why do i feel like i just got scammed
Offer a cheaper option
Because....
Try out the stock without butt. Unless you sniping at 150 meters its not 100% necessary.
You still get 80% of the aim
i dont get how a little bolt on buttstcok is 32$
its like common sence to pay 70$ and assume thats the entire stock...
We need to have a GOT Stock Support Group so people don't go on raids IRL...
I told them this at least a month ago
I don't know when the trend starterd but some yahoo figured they could 3d print a shitty stock and sell it for $100 minimum and everyone doing it now...
huh
yo @rare mango whats the quality of the stock? Let me know if it works.
What "shitty" stock is over $100 and 3D printed
its super short and heavy lol

it is waaaay to short
At least tell me the magnets work well in game with reloading and shit.
The buttstock attachment includes a much longer tube
its 16"
no way people are complaning the raidr is heavy without the buttstock?
Bro tell me this stock is decent and all the kids are just yappin. Just lie to me bro. Please.
I've returned mine
i cantr even close the clasp on the mount
There are factory problems, I have no doubt when those get resolved it will be a good stock
though with the problems, its not
But the goofy looking dude on the youtube promo video seemed to handle it well...
Should I just buy a fucking 3d printer?
when they get it sorted out it should honestly be a good stock
Production issue, that unit wouldn't have gone through mass production. And also you know they are going to show their product in the best light possible
thats just user error lol, loosen the screw ever so slightly
Fuck it I'm just gonna duct tape this shit on.
you want to find the limit where the screw is as tight as possible, while still allowing the lever to be closed with some force
Got my stock today. My clamps wouldn't hold at all and would slide and rotate on tube. Saw this this morning in Mamut discord and this fixed that issue:
#452025991242579968 message
I like the concept of a split stock, so far doesn't feel as comfortable as protube, but haven't done a raid yet.
What was the main problem for you? Did the magnets work well with reloading? Was looting ok with it? Was it super heavy?
After spending some time finding what worked for me, weight is great
the split mechanic is also good, I was able to do whatever just fine ingame
my main issue with discomfort with the cups using index controllers
No
Hopefully it will be better with Quest 3 controllers.
besides that rubber piece not doing its job, do you have other problems with the grip
I dont have quest, can't speak from experience
but it should be
hmm yeah the screws were also bad for me, eventually they started staying in place
where'd you order?
well rip
ok so update the controller holders dont even hold the controller in
from what I have heard, CWS doesn't make it easy to refund at all
its actually unusable out of the box
Ghosts of Tabor? More like Ghosts of Customer Service...
lol the terrible customer service of this stock is what leads to the revolt and demise of the game XD
not a chance thats happening lol
Tried PCVR and it was amazing (minus the settings that did not carry over from Quest) but it was a little buggy. Think I'm gonna have to build an overkill gaming PC finally. And I'm only gonna be using it to play Tabor.
Game's by no mean small, and the gunstock is sold in units of a few thousand at most
sounds about right 
Dude I hope people will still be playing this game in 10 years because I know I will be. I don't know what it is but this game is it.
can awlays call fraud on ur bank
True but then you have to replace your debit card.
@woeful trout Only thing you can do is wait for replacement parts and hopefully we will all be looking back on this day and laughing about it.................
no u dont lol iv ordered an item that was not what it was supposed to be 9/10 your bnaqk will back you
debit card replacment is if ur card was stolen or lost
PLEASE GOD LET THIS STOCK BE GOOD
nope

yea dont buy it if u havent already
It's coming in the mail tomorrow...
I'm ready, I got my duct tape.
damn oh well u will not be happy
good luck
Thanks buddy. I have a feeling it's gonna be good. God would not make me wait this long just to suffer. I can feel it.
yikes
funny part is.... they are still shipping the defective gunstock even when they know its defective.
I've only heard women use the term "yikes". And white supremacists....
you're cringe
Yes. Exactly.
its just like mutlple issues, like 1 they decive you into thinking 70$ is the entire price for the stock (it isnt) and for some reaosn butstock is sold seperate and is also somhow 32$, the rubber grips dont properly hold the ctonrollers in, the screws dont hold the stock joints in place, and they are aslo unwilling to accept returns like its worse than just "leaving a sour taste in my mouth"
They do career. 
Nice edit. I'll see you on the battlefield little guy.
God wills it.
Oh jeez...sure "little guy"
You're such a little cutie.
thanks
Based and redpilled.
I keep dropping fully kitted 2 stacks that are running armor piercing. Why am I so good at this game???
I always get killed by the third guy.
When there is one.
As soon as I can buy AP rounds it should help.
CANT WAIT TO HOP INNA RAID TONIGHT.
Almost finished with Spectre. Then going to level 3 Minty and Shiro at the same time.
I hope AP rounds aren't too expensive.
AP powder kinda pricy, but not too bad
money shouldnt be a concern at any point really
Can't wait till I can buy drums. I got 6 of them but too scared to take into raid.
I don't like my balance dropping below $400,000
Why am I so good at this game???
but too scared to take into raid.
pocket change

I made 72 NRS and was gonna sell but decieded to keep it. They are like my babies.
I need to get more GPUs. Only got 2.
Yeah like $2,000
When is the next wipe coming? 2 weeks before it hits I'm going fully kitted every raid.
I always end up doing way better when I bring in good gear. I don't know why I still have gear fear. My level 2 armory is full with the good stuff but I don't take any of it in...
Should be doing that already anyway
Alright, next week I will start going full chad mode.
I want to get in more gun fights to boost my confidence 
I only see like 3 players per match. And I always fight them.
As soon as my bag is full I exfil.
No lol
I need to try the underground map but I'm too scared.
I think I'm level 23 now.
I got the game a month ago.
Dude the bots never hit me pre update. Now I am wasting NRS just to recover chip damage taken from them. I used to be able to take 3 seconds to line up a headshot but now they got aimbot...
they've always had aimbot
They are definitely faster and more accurate on Island.
they work the same as before
Someone else said that but they hit you faster now 100%
sounds like skill issues
I'll see you on the battlefield...
š„±
you wont be seeing him very long 
LOL
You're right. I'll be seeing him through my rifle optic.
nah youll be seeing him on the "You were killed by..." screen
This dudes got hella gearfear and is tryna play biggie against Ragesaq lmao
ok ok I will stop with the gear fear
I used to get panic attacks just booting up the game but now I am becoming more confident.
Nah I'm 30
calm tf down
Bro I quit playing RE2 remake because it was too scary. I don't brush my teeth at night after seeing a scary movie because I'm afraid my refelction will like wink at me
bros trying to learn tabor, let him cook
thought this was gunstock chat
says the person with the anime girl pfp and your pfp backgrounds a clickbait minecraft title
it is
We don't talk about gunstocks anymore... To depressing.
The general chat is too toxic.
This place is more chill.
im just sayin let them play the game, you cant tell me you dont jump a little bit when some rat pops out of a tree
I assumed everyone who plays video games is slightly autistic.
I'm finally figuring out this game. I don't freak out when I die now.
In a month I should be chadding it up.
How dare u try to play a game without being scared weenie hut Jr is that way š
thats what i find fun about the game, theres insane risk so its not just dying and going into the next match with the craziest build everytime
I'm stockpilling purple keycards untill I can get AP rounds. I have 3 so far.
i did jiri quests before they nerfed raid time so i just ran in and out of silo... so i got ap like 5 hours after wipe lol
Yeah dude, no other game is this intense for me or can generate the same response I get.
The adrenaline from hunting someone is insane
this is a gunstock chat so heres a quest cup for the raidr https://www.thingiverse.com/thing:6535618
one that doesnt slip and slide
YO does anyone know of any ear buds with decent directional sound that work on Quest 3??? Apparently this quest is cursed. Can't even use my wireless gaming headset that I paid like $300
I can teach you the game on some raids tomorrow if you want ?
I just use the oculus mic and speakers they work fine for me lol
Yeah sure. I get on in like 4 hours or so.
Ahh shit are you NA ?
I'm EU
4:41pm here.
It's 10:41pm here lmao
im na but wont be on till like 8:30
Before I ran expensive gaming headphones in PUBG I didn't realize on all the sounds I was missing out on. Wonder if it's the same in Tabor.
yeah, its just a nice little thing but not necessary
In PUBG it made a huge difference.
I use ATH M50x headphones but they're not too comfortable and I'm not willing to buy a different strap to make it work lol
Are you on Quest 3?
I could hear everything in them mfs
Well i use oculus speakers and killed 3 people alone just now i heard exactly where each one was
I wonder if there were headphones that worked with Quest 3, if they would give even more audio detail.
Headphones will definitely let you hear farther but the stock speakers do work well enough in 90% of situations
On the Quest 3? Because apparently nothing works on it...
I agree
5 below headphones LOL!
the only time that directional sound would be useful would be to hear if theyre up a floor or down but i dont think tabor does the best job of that
And i have that with quest 3 speakers lol
damn, in quest 2 so i need headphones
None of the headphones work with Quest 3. Can't pair my gaming headset even if I plug it in.
for my q2 i have the Vive DAS idk if its the same for Q3 though
i just use steelseries arctis
Yeah Quest 2 has a lot of good options.
Is your strap interfering with the headphones at all
Yeah quest 2/3 upgrade is massive in terms of everything
YOOOOOOO THATS WHAT I GOT. Arctis Nova something something.
Do you have a Quest 3?
2
Are the directional sounds of gunfire better? Do you hear footsteps from further away???
heck no, its mostly gamesense. I hear directional sometimes but i also think tabor itself has a bit wacky directional audio
No just don't want to be missing out.
The difference on PUBG was night and day. I'm wondering if it's the same on Tabor.
thats probably my issue actually, play marching drums so my ears are cooked
Alright guys I'm gonna get some work done. Hope this stock turns out ok...
Not in game, it gets wayyy too loud.
Aye
imma give you a heads up, the stock is amazing but them universal cups slippery asf
do you have access to a 3d printer?
It's hard to explain. On PUBG when I used quality headphones for the first time, it gave me much better information compared to crappy headphones. It wouldn't just blast your ear drums. Gun shots were not too loud but it would pick up on all the sounds.
I dont
a school or public libraries you could use?
Yea
Thanks for that
what platform do you play on?
I use the prismxr vega t1 low latency earbuds (Use usb-c dongle, not bluetooth). They work pretty well. usb dongle has passthrough power too if you use a battery strap. It doesn't pass through data though so won't work with a link cable.
if quest use that link that depraved sent and follow its instructions if you want the stock to be really good instead of waiting for them to ship out the new improved stocks
Iām looking for a gun stock for my meta quest two what should I get I donāt have a big budget
how much?
You use Quest 3?
yep
Oculust pc
Like Iāll spend at most maybe 50-60 bucks unless itās like really good quality
Magtube imo lol oh wait read that wrong...
Oh alr š
get a onehanded stock and wait until they get the raidr cup situation under control, its solid but a bit of effort to make it worth
OH SHIT! Do you notice better audio quality with it? Like hearing subtle audio ques or better directional sounds? Or does it just blast the volume up higher into your ears?
Alr Iāll look into that
I get better audio ques when using earbuds to be honest. Can hear alot further away
i just use my airpod pros
https://www.thingiverse.com/thing:6535618 use that and follow its instructions in the description. I personally think the stocks good with the universal but it does slip around, especially side to side so you have to death grip it. The buttstock feel amazing but makes the stock swing around a lot
worth the swinging in my opinion
aight, imma go now
Will do thanks man
It's not too loud actually though in the app you can boost EQ in several ways. They have decent noise isolation which help block out outside sounds. I usually only use them at night... during day I like hearing what's going on in the house. š
The one he posted allows you to adjust EQ levels. Yup I'm buying this shit.
Thanks buddy.
Isnt there a big delay with those ?
np. bonus is they can simultaneously connect to phone via bluetooth, so can answer calls while playing if needed.
istock is like $30-40
CGripVR is a really solid stock and it's $40 on Etsy
trash
Has anyone experienced a lot of lag with the controls in meta quest 3 playing with steam PCVR with the last update?
well its not bad considering the already bad desync with a standalone oculus
Fair
moondrop arias
yasss
Anyone have Ideas on how I can make the spot where your hands rest?
okay
i forget what size though
you will spend a lot of time and get nowhere
damn, have a little hopw
its a flawed idea
put handles on the gun that let you hold it from 18" away and tell me how much sense it makes
adapting it to an existing gun adds no value and detracts significantly from the desired end goal
my 10 dallor one works, just isn't adjustble
you adapted a gun to be a gunstock controller?
nope
so you arent talking about the same thing as me and the person i was replying to
made it from scratch
you just jumped in with something completely unrelated?
like you didnt even read what you were replying to?
understandable, but try to understand what you are trying to accomplish
pvc works thats what i did
you want to hold your controllers so its like you are holding a gun, rigid and aligned properly, with a butt stock and cheek rest
does that, just doesn't work with smaller guns
having a gun shaped object already is not helping you accomplish that
i was talking to someone else thanks
there isnt really a difference
oh you are still on that idea
Im not glueing my controllers to it im just making it like a regular gunstock
ok, chop it into 3 pieces, make a mount that connects them together but leaves a hole for your controllers to go into
where do you want your hands to go when you hold this
like how it would rest with a sniper
I have both of them and swear by them!! Amazing product
circle the part on the picture where you want your hands to go while you are holding your controller
ok, cut those parts out, and make a controller mount that goes there
yes this is a ridiculous proposition, this is a ridiculous idea
shrug
like i said previously, this isnt going to work on multiple levels, you dont need to reinvent the wheel, you can learn from the lots of work other people have done
attempting to use a physical gun to accomplish the goal that a vr gunstock accomplishes defeats the point of both
@lethal sinew has a vid on how to make a very, very low cost gunstock
Okay
I told everyone tabor is a scam!!!
š
Why is it in pieces
Unless you're a hell of an engineer I don't see how you could mount controllers to that well
And it's not really saving you too much money after you account that you are destroying a $40 bb gun, then need a bunch of materials and tools, as well as time
Not to mention depending on your controller you may run into tracking issues, the weight wouldn't be ideal, you'd have to figure out a solution for removable controller mounts that also are rigid and support enough to hold that weight
??? Tabor the game or?
Itās a very common logical fallacy
Iāve seen people with that idea hundreds of times
The company.. they sell Mamut. But donāt stand by there word of refund. They just ignore u
It could be done I think, but you have to know what you are doing and have the tools to do it, and even then I'd struggle to see it being practical, comfortable, or usable
They don't tho I was gonna refund something but i got it a bit after I sent @quasi pilot a dm and I got a reply and they were gonna but I said nvm before they started the process
U just got to wait
Heck to even cut it into pieces you'd need power tools, not everyone has those
Thatās what what everyone else is saying. They get reply asking whatās wrong then they tell them why they want refund. Then they stop replying and leave them in the dark.
Also with the way the gun is set up, the controller I don't think could replace be vertical, because you're basically extending the length of the stock by doing that and it may be too long
Bro you're better off just making a stock from scratch
It's not that expensive and there's tons of guides online
lol, thanks Saq
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=R_HaTVXgz8o
How I recommend you run the offhand(forward hand): https://www.twitch.tv/sweatygeckottv/clip/CulturedRealKangarooAsianGlow-rspWyA7nRZYPsK_2
-Just with my stock, not the https://www.etsy.com/listing/1433726625/speedrun-pro-vr-gunstock-meta-oculus?ref=yr_purchases that Gecko runs
DonZzzilla's iteration upon the original Poor Man's Gripstock. ...
After fussing with it for a few hours this is where I ended up.
Raidr Stock but with Protube controller mounts (and grips) and protube buttstock.
It feels really good, now. Raidr buttstock felt a bit too long and was limiting my right arm movement, but wasnāt long enough with short tube.
Yeah don ive been watching it for like 30 minutes how did u cut the hanger its si damn hard
@lethal sinew
Use wireclippers like I did. Scissors don't really do the job.
Ehh... if you're going to use that, attach two pipes to the handle to extend it for extra leverage/torque.
Okay
I think needlenose pliers are better with that cutter in the center.
Good chance youāll break those sidecutters trying to cut a coat hanger, put some squints on lol
Theyāre hardened and will break if you put too much stress on them
Progress so ar @lethal sinew
Don i need help
I dont know what to do next u made it look so easy haha @lethal sinew
Video editing magic I suppose.
Take it slow and you'll get something usable. Don't do that thing with the rifle tho.
i didnt
Is there a guide to calibrating in tabor? Also if anyone has a CWS gunstock. What has been your experience so far
Check pins for Saq's guide. It's primo.
The Raidr stock is rough, but they're still looking to support it. Waiting on this fix they got cooking for people who are holding out.
Understood. I appreciate it.
My controller holder already broke.
Nice. I'd like the instructions to the modification
This is nifty! I'm doing a ModusR + Raidr mash up today.
yall got some cool mods cooking haha
I want to mod the Raidr til the fix comes
What other gunstocks do you have to work with? Protube i'm guessing?
Still convinced that modding on an alternative controller-specific cup onto the raidr will remain better than any fix they bring out
universal is just never going to be best solution
inclined to agree tbh. Still would be interesting to see how they tackle a fix for the current situation.
None
considering the testing they (claimed to) have done, there's no reason to doubt the universal cups will work fine when the rubber piece is fixed
but itll never beat a controller fitted cup
Though that wouldn't change the cups comfort issues for index controllers š
I'm doing this retrofit right now. Just got my new Q3 paddles and will report back in a bit. You would basically need to shell out $82+shipping for a ModusR.
Letss go don!!!
What problem did you guys run into with the holder?
The front seems a bit limp, so maybe if you can undo it and angle it higher up that'd be best. Otherwise nicely done!
toss them.
Then see if you can angle this up a bit
How can I angle it up?
Undo the tape, shift holder so it's aimed down a bit, + retape.
I'll need to update my video & share this new aluminum diy tray video.
better?
Make video how make
Solid! Just use it like you would one of these stocks:
https://www.twitch.tv/sweatygeckottv/clip/CulturedRealKangarooAsianGlow-rspWyA7nRZYPsK_2
Wrap the forward hand pinky on the pole for support.
The only downside to using this stock is bandages.
Lets gooo!! Im runing sniper raids if I get a good kill Ill send you it
Not real modification required. Protube parts fit on the raidr tube. Can buy the controller mounts from their site. The buttstock is also sold there, but doesn't come with tubes so may have to buy those parts individually also if you don't have the protube already.
Hey, does it feel solid ? Do the protube cups have some play ? I ordered the same thing from Protube yesterday (except the buttstock I'll try with the raidr one)
No the protube mounts are rock solid. These are actually magnet cups, but they don't detach unless I want them too, raidr separates first.
@lethal sinew check dms!!!!
noice do you enjoy it now ? Raidr mounts were too much wobbly for my taste, it was distracting and unconfortable
Nice! Just did a raid. 4 player kills, 4 scavs all at range. Feels really nice. Best of both worlds. Great mounts, split stock, and good buttstock positioning.
Yes! Feels rock solid. I loved the protube but found initially re-clicking in to the stalk took too long, especially if player running in at me and I was looting. Raidr stalk fixes that, but the mounts didn't feel great.
Yea I think it looked a bit awkward to have the whole stock hanging from one hand, can't wait to recieve the protube cups 
Does anyone know where I can find the mounts for the protube? Iāve found the cups but doesnāt look like they have the actual mount to go around the bar
which headset?
Quest 3. I actually just sent you a dm a few minutes ago lol
to put on raidr>?
Yes
I think this is what you want. I had them already, though, so double check
brackets:
https://www.protubevr.com/en/vr-accessories/3-2-bracket-gunstock.html#/2-bracket_0_type-smooth
what do you mean
I've gotten my gun stock and used it a few times, contractors, onward, and this game. Honestly I don't see the big whoop it's too hard to set up it barely works. The gun is way too high in the air even tho I've calibrated it.
In game calibration
could you be more specific? with the new procedure pinned in the topic i can get a calibration in about 15 seconds
This actually looks so perfect, to make this u need pro tube also?
Doesn't look like it. He linked parts needed right here:
brackets:
https://www.protubevr.com/en/vr-accessories/3-2-bracket-gunstock.html#/2-bracket_0_type-smooth
Thatās what I meant
Do you have the stock on correctly?
Yea
Yeah that would probably work too. Only one cup would be magnet, but you donāt really need magnet cups anyway
People paying $60 to fix the $100+ gun stock you bought
I've tried fixing raidr with 3d printed parts, bought some screws to assemble the print
going all out to buy another brands cups is crazy to me
Agreed
If it works. Hmu
Almost worked out for me, but out of nowhere another part started causing issues that I just couldnt resolved, which tipped me to just refund
the print worked great, never got to use it ingame though
Yeah. It might be too much work to fix
I had to go through a few prints before i got them right, did 7 or 8 in the end over 3 days
each taking well over half an hour to clean up and prepare (not very experienced with printing, some just werent right, messed some up myself)
had to go out of my way to get the right hardware
then after getting all that together finally, the ring started rotating along the tube š
played a whole half raid with one of the test prints, never ended up using the final prints once
anyone knows some good alright priced gunstocks that ship worldwide
I just went balls to the walls with an overnighter and made a quest 2 one, took a bit of using a soldering iron and inhaling microplastics but it worked
worth it
now i only get killed by a dryrunner with a lucky 300 meter headshot every other raid
I've got magtube comming in friday
the rubber pieces are faulty, this is a known issue and being looked into
existing customers will get a new piece sent out once ready, it is not known when
#š¢ć»announcements message
Itās not the rubber piece itās the actual metal part holding it to the gunstock
Itās fully tightened
one of these 2 arent
most likely the right one, seems to pivot around there
its not unlikely that it went loose almost immediately after you tightened it
It will tighten then after 20 seconds of lightly wiggling itās loose again
yup, they tend to do that..
it sets after a while, had the same
from the raidr instrutions
During first few weeks, this might need to be done once in a while
if you experience slippage, this is normal.
I had to go back and tighten quite a few times, but eventually they did set for me
Okay I will keep at it then
though I think some users also reported screws just not setting
some people are resorting to good 'ole loctite
at that price they could have just bought the mag tube lol
people are buying magtube parts to throw on the raidr
i know lol
as i said at that point they could have just bought one
and thats what I did
Got my Raidr today, it is solid until it isn't, screws get lose every 30 minutes or so and then the gun stock calibration has to be done again, kinda starting to be a pain to be honest, picking up some threadlocker tomorrow, maybe that will fix it
I'm just gonna duct tape the shit out of it :p (yes I know "for the price your paying you shouldn't have too blah blah") but I will anyway :p
I love the idea of it, just needs more solid mounts
Wheres the circle on ur controller
At the risk of being banned from this discord, this shit is really fucked up... Not even billion dollar corporations do shit this evil...
What is the best gunstock for quest 2
If you don't want a second stock, you can order the grips and paddles/mounts separately. That's about $34 USD
Those came in for me today... They didn't come with the part that screws onto the gunstock. Just the paddles & one side of it.
Wouldn't recommend it for new users to ModusR who don't have that vital part.
I'll chat with 3Daptive to let him know people may want to get that
lol
Oh, that's weird, I mentioned to 3Daptive that I needed the mounts as well. I'll let you know if I receive the same thing. My order is coming in a couple of days; I wanted a second set for ModusR.
Definitely keep me posted! š«”
it feels like they did this with no thought just to make quick cash and gave their supporters a subpar product imo
honestly the real thought is that it was not quality checked during mass production. should have been the first few hundred needed to be put togeather and tested. not just the Prototype. but hey what do i know.