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[vivid quest]

I would do that but I think someone else will get there before me

[atomic vigil]

That kinda thinking = bystander effect. Please get me that clip @vivid quest

[vivid quest]

Im at lvl one still ill grind the fuck out of it just for u tho😘

[copper peak]

Thank you! This is the answer I was looking for

[midnight grotto]

Might hit lvl 3 tonight half way thru lvl 2

[urban swift]

What level does the awm unlock?

[atomic vigil]

https://ghosts-of-tabor.fandom.com/wiki/Weapons_and_Ammunition

Wiki says spectre 4, but with the recent wipe it may have moved around for balance.

[urban swift]

Thx

[hybrid laurel]

I see on the maps that there's no icon for the purple keycard room in the labs underground parking. Don't know if there's any loot there but I have sometimes had an exfil point beyond it. The map has updated a bit too. The beach cottage is gone and the storage/parking lot has moved there from next to the boat house.

[atomic vigil]

I'll explore in offline and get the maps updated tonight. Thanks for pointing those missing things out!

Had no idea about the new purple room in island

[hybrid laurel]

I did a bunch of exploring around the labs building yesterday so I've found some nice routes and secret entrances. Used my purple card on the military base gaining nothing of value but an ak suppressor unfortunately so I'll leave it up to someone who still has one to check.

[remote kettle]

The keycard is non functional sadly it just doesn't accept the purple keycard

[atomic vigil]

Ohh, actually yeah, that stripe is more orange than purple. Not implemented in the game yet. xD

[remote kettle]

Don't explore that building too much or you'll end up in the damn backrooms lol

[pale sparrow]

did you still need this?

[atomic vigil]

Yeah! send me a link to an unlisted video on youtube 😄

ty! i'll go thru it later, or someone else who knows how to edit the wiki here can tackle it

[pale sparrow]

ok will do it nowish

[vivid quest]

My commendations go out to any chad who will actually spend their personal time learning how to edit and editing wikis

[pale sparrow]

https://youtu.be/gOgDEWlvVhA

[round mantle]

Anyone have a fix for the game being jittery when loading in through steam vr, ive tried openxr but that has very poor running speed

[sacred osprey]

does anyone else have issues with the mic not working even though you turn it on or off

[flint glen]

How come in the wiki it says stoner is found in raid even though it’s buyable?

[atomic vigil]

Thanks for uploading that!

[atomic vigil]

Read the #973596556156624896 there's a launch method in there that might work for you better than openxr.

[atomic vigil]

We can fix that. What level is it available for you at?

[flint glen]

No idea

I’m not there yet, however in the assult rifle section you can see it

[atomic vigil]

Make a #1083899890427502674 give details about your mic problem there, like headset, pc spec, etc

[atomic vigil]

Ok, I'll fix it later today unless someone else wants to tidy that up.

[sudden sundial]

Can all the guns be found in a raid? Even the Barrett?

[atomic vigil]

Yes. Purple room for those more rare weapons.

[sudden sundial]

sweet thanks, trying to loot one of each, so good to know 🙂

[jolly ocean]

Hey uh…how come the birdshot like container is black? Did they change it? I thought I found Ap but it said birdshot. Is it the TR version of the 12ga ammo?

[remote kettle]

mostly silo purple room

[atomic vigil]

Head to #❓・questions , someone can help you troubleshoot that issue. Let them know what headset & platform you're on.

[remote kettle]

Does the PPSH actually have the 35 round box mag in this game?
I've never seen it

[stuck trellis]

Are the damage #'s on the Wiki for sure accurate? The #'s look kinda insane.

[jolly ocean]

Well without armor yeah

[stuck trellis]

I don't mean that the gun damage looks too high. I meant the variance between guns of the same caliber (M4 vs AUG, for example), and especially the weirdness with 5.56 tracer (more than double damage compared to FMJ).

Example (AUG vs FAMAS, showing different ammo types)

[remote kettle]

Yup wiki is correct we were just as confused as you are (atleast pre wipe everythign seems the same as prewipe but we gotta say that since we can't properly test with the new watch)

[stuck trellis]

That's wild... So much of the weirdness during fights makes more sense now, though. Was wondering why I could just never accomplish anything with the FiveSeven, wouldn't have guessed that it's basically tied with the Ruger .22 for damage. 😄

5.56 weapons with tracers seem to be the secret meta right now. I wonder how many people are exploiting that.

[remote kettle]

My guess is it has very bad pen i bounced like 5 rounds off an ATE prewipe
But we haven't properly tested its pen thats just what it feels like

but yeah early wipe with everyone having bad armor if you can get to shiro level 2 grab some tracers its a ton of fun

[stuck trellis]

Good to know! Will definitely be referring to that chart.

[deep rampart]

oh so tracers does do something?

[stuck trellis]

According to this, yes: https://ghosts-of-tabor.fandom.com/wiki/Weapons_and_Ammunition#Torso_Flesh_Damage_at_<5m

It's typically negligible. Sometimes it's a fairly-noticeable damage increase... For 5.56 weapons, it literally more than doubles the damage.

Haven't played around with the AUG, but if it's usable, AUG + tracers might be super meta. 100+ damage for a 5.56 weapon is insane.

[deep rampart]

oh damn that's good to know, thank you

[remote kettle]

Tracers also give you tracers which can be useful but more importantly cool laser beams lmao

[hybrid laurel]

We're still yet to test how it affects pen values but I wouldn't be surprised if tracer has less armour pen than fmj.

[jagged ermine]

So loading tracers into a pp-19 give it more damage than a p90 lmao

[jagged ermine]

That would be absolutely broken full auto one shot kills

[wanton pivot]

Is there a armor/ helmet list that’s shows worst to best?

[vivid quest]

Yes

[atomic vigil]

Sort items by price and you should get an idea of the equipments value.

https://ghosts-of-tabor.fandom.com/wiki/Equipment

[knotty orchid]

yes its just abnormally rare

[trail perch]

So prior to the drums being in the store they were find in raid only and you could only buy stick mags from specter but they changed that now

[knotty orchid]

wacky

[atomic vigil]

I have hand loaded ap into 3 of those drum mags last wipe. It was so tedious. Would have rather used the stick mags tbh

[timber holly]

actually? I thought I was unlucky cause the only times I've gotten the PPSH have been with the regular 35 round Mag lol

[torpid gyro]

I’ve only found the ppsh once, at the body dumping site on Island, and it had a drum mag loaded

[little cypress]

I have two

With only one drum in each

[little cypress]

That’s a death sentence damn

[atomic vigil]

Lol I did it for the ballistics testing last wipe.

Added bonus, they melt players so I had a good time with it.

[little cypress]

Oooh I’ll take my deathmachine into silo

Serve them the RUSKY GOODS

[latent rose]

How i find the worth of things

[trail perch]

there is no way to know the price of items when selling other then trial and error, otherwise if its an item you can buy for a decent about of TK you can sell it for a decent amount of TK

[muted crown]

Level 00 = Bottom Floor
Level 01 = First Floor
Level 02 = Second Floor
Level 03 = Third Floor

Line shows what room connects the what, just thought id share this with you to help in our upcoming raids and shit

[atomic vigil]

https://ghosts-of-tabor.fandom.com/wiki/Map:Silo_Top-Down_Cardinal
Refresh once and you can zoom/in and out on the map too. Much more useful

[muted crown]

Ight thanks

[finite laurel]

When can we get different packs

Like in game purchases that fuve us different things yk

[knotty orchid]

#1042160115232542830

[dark flax]

Someone who doesn't call basement first floor. Thank God. I hate when people do that it's so confusing.

[atomic vigil]

Yeah, there's numbers on the Large staircase. So i labeled it like such. Made sense

[verbal plume]

Yes, this is very correct -dude who shot himself 20 times and died 20 times to make sure

[jagged ermine]

Did you shoot yourself in the leg?

[verbal plume]

does not one shot in the leg or arm tho

Chest shots were all the values if you read the tabs in the wiki

[atomic vigil]

Limb damage is 0.7% multiplier. So we tested chest only.

[vivid quest]

Random fact apparently if u turn off full body ik you can still shoot your own limbs

So be careful when shooting downwards with full body off

[static sinew]

I have to play the game in hard mode. Whenever I fire too fast/full auto, or use a healing injector, it breaks my hands and I can't use them. Sometimes they even just disappear. Just made a bug report. This is gonna make it difficult to get all those player kills in so few missions if I can't heal between fights X.X
Maybe I'll just work on the wiki instead :P

[atomic vigil]

Just watched that bug you put. Damn that's busted.

At least your report was well done. Hopefully it gets patched.

[static sinew]

My last raid I got 7 player kills, then tried to heal as I was below 20% HP. It broke my hands and I died to 2 PM Fenix while trying to extract ;-;

[atomic vigil]

I finally updated the wiki. Has level 3 trader info on both the weapons page and attachments page. Big thank you to @pale sparrow

Level 4 and beyond is a mystery still.

Open call for any grinders who have level 4 or 5, please send video (unlisted youtube vid works) of items at spectre

[jolly ocean]

well the firerate and time to kill were put into account along with gun rarity for the damage i assume.

like more rare gun = better

higher firerate = lower damage kind of thing

all assumption^

[jolly ocean]

you can load the drum into the ammo loader though?....

its glitchy to get it in there but you can

[atomic vigil]

oh sick, i guess i just couldn't figure it out

[jolly ocean]

no trust me its a pain in the as. i couldnt do it for awhile either

you just gotta find the sweet spot for it

i ended up hand loading it a lot also lmao

[stuck trellis]

Thing is, that makes sense, but it's not consistent.

For example, the Glock and M1911 are tied for damage... Glock has double the ammo capacity, costs half as much, is far more common, and has less recoil. Why would you ever use the M1911?

[jolly ocean]

maybe the drop is different due to ammo? idrk atm but this game still is beta so they will prob have changes

oh and uh...

the 1911 sounds manly asf SO

i believe it comes down to personal preference at that point

[stuck trellis]

The M1911 would also have worse velocity/drop (assuming that it's at-all realistic). 😅

Preference and all that is cool, but in an EFT-style game, having expensive weapons be objectively worse than early-wipe weapons is a big hit to players' drive to progress, especially when they're worse in completely unintuitive ways. Everything in the game would lead the player to believe that the M1911 should at least deal a bit more damage than the Glock, and damage values are probably one of the easiest changes to make (not like you're trying to change a reload mechanic or how a weapon is sighted in), so I find it odd that the #'s seem so obviously unbalanced, even if the game is in beta.

I'd just hate to see stuff like that get pushed to the side and forgotten for a crazy-long time. Makes me think of SMG's in Onward. Donno if it's still as bad, but I remember them just being completely pointless. Small, awkward, bad ballistics, and less damage, with no real redeeming qualities. Give them something unique--such as a slightly-faster strafe speed while aiming--and boom, there's at least some interesting reason to use them, even if they're still super niche. The M1911 dealing a tad bit more damage could mean that, against certain armor and when landing certain combinations of torso/limb shots, you kill in one less shot. Now it at least has something.

[jolly ocean]

well if they made it the other way around and made the scavs carry 1911's and the glock more rare than well itd be even better

[verbal plume]

This is great and all but you have to remember the only thing we 100% complete tested was FLESH damage. For the most part, ST was medium damage and pen, TR was high damage low pen and ap was medium damage high pen. Certain guns dealt less damage but had better penetration. The 1911 and the Glock was a good example. Ballistics are subject to change and we didn’t get to do an in depth testing of armor values. Based off what we saw last wipe and ASSUMING nothing changed, things that dealt less damage but had similar fire rate and better pen

[remote kettle]

This wipe def feels different in some regards like i was one tapped in the chest by an sks while wearing fort armor full health

[stuck trellis]

Hmmm, interesting. Even if the M1911 (not trying to hound too much on it, but it's a good example) has better pen, I just find it so weird that it'd deal the same flesh damage as other pistols, or that a Makarov with tracers out-damages it. Also just-plain weird that it's inconsistent, with tracers sometimes lowering damage.

I know that testing each and every weapon/ammo/armor is a crazy task, but it'd be really cool to see all weapons/ammo against at least one specific armor. Too bad that there doesn't seem to be a way to see your exact HP anymore, since that's gotta make any and all damage testing 10x harder.

But oh well! Hopefully the devs have a solid plan for it all!

[remote kettle]

The damage values do feel really weird makes me think that the devs didn't manually set the values and maybe something else determined it like the ballistics system they use or something

[verbal plume]

I just shoot myself and record it 😂

[stuck trellis]

Right. A lot of it makes sense, but then you see the AK Alpha dealing 100+ damage, or the SCAR dealing substantially-less damage than other 5.56 weapons... Or the FiveSeven being pretty much tied with the Ruger .22lr. 😄

[stuck trellis]

I'm guessing that the "training" raids just give you all of your stuff back? Seems easy as long as you have the weapon/ammo/armor you want to test, except that you can't see the exact HP # anymore.

[verbal plume]

You say that, until you find out that there’s two damage values based on three different factors, you can only test 3 weapons at a time, and you need a whole backpack full of stims (30ish) to heal back up because you have to test it a certain amount of times

[stuck trellis]

Oh yeah, to meet the standards agreed upon by the Wiki? Not so easy, I believe it, lmao.

I used to have an unhealthy fixation on testing stuff for the Onward Wiki. We were pretty lax, and it was still a ton of work, despite a much-simpler damage model.

[remote kettle]

we can only give rough estimates cause every notch on your watch is like 2.17 points of health and theres the weirdness of the first shot doing slightly more damage

It makes my brain hurt

[stuck trellis]

"the weirdness of the first shot doing slightly more damage" Uhhhhhhhh, yeah, that's interesting, lmao.

Definitely sounds 10x harder with no hard numbers. Would be cool if different watch layouts/UI's became a thing.

[remote kettle]

yeah fr

[jagged ermine]

The inconsistency of tracers doing more damage for certain guns vs no change vs less damage is very weird

[vivid quest]

Tracers change damage?

[jagged ermine]

@vivid quest yep galil goes from 42 per shot to 96 with tracer

[vivid quest]

Thanks for that thats fucking broken now i know how ive been one tapped so much

[torpid gyro]

It’s all 5.56x45 that have increased tracer dmg. I believe the M16 does 91

AUG does 100+

[vivid quest]

Dam thats good

Does ap increase damage

Or does tr reduce pen

[magic escarp]

in theory ap shouldn't increase damage

[vivid quest]

Well tr does so im just checking

Be cool to get tr ap rounds

[vivid quest]

So ap does increase

By a little

[jagged ermine]

Tracers shouldn't either especially more than double it

[torpid gyro]

Pretty sure it’s an unintended glitch. As it’s only the 5.56’s

[stuck trellis]

Yeah, one of the devs confirmed this when I mentioned it in General, definitely not intended.

[remote kettle]

Makes sense, tho i will miss the raids with the tr galil

[atomic vigil]

InFish's reply:
#💬・general-chat message

Nice job! Squeaky wheel gets the grease.

[remote kettle]

We may need a new image of the asval now that it has all those rails
not too important tho

[full current]

Looking at the ballistics page, it doesn't exactly confirm the existence of ricochet. I'm assuming everyone here at least knows it's implemented?

I mean, that's because you're the people who keep up with the wiki, I personally found out last night when I misfired into a nook between two metal crates on silo, heard and saw the impact of the crate I shot, heard the one of it hitting the other crate, and then seeing and hearing it hit the first crate again. I wish I'd have been recording. When I looked at the second crate it had a visible impact mark too. I was kinda 🤯 for a second after that.

[atomic vigil]

Yeah, I created this page: https://ghosts-of-tabor.fandom.com/wiki/Ballistics

But... it's not quite accurate after we did testing. Could you rewrite it to reflect your findings?

Alternatively, type what you think should be written here and I can edit it for you.

[remote kettle]

Peaks of the radio and generator room (or shitter idk but it would make more sense if were the generator room) I got from accidentally glitching into the wall

[lunar flume]

That’s the radio room and the maintenance room where you can make the steel pipe shotgun and such

[full current]

That's the one I was referencing today after that happened last night. I'll see if I can't perhaps recreate it or at least be able to show where I did it for others to try.

I just saw the stub about ricochet, I was going to add that ricochet does exist but the editor doesn't work well on mobile.

[remote kettle]

ohhhhh that makes more sense

[vivid quest]

Is that a mechanic yet? I thought weapon crafting didn’t exist yet

[lunar flume]

Nope and I’d assume that’s why they closed it

[vivid quest]

Ic

[maiden coral]

pipe guns would be fun

[atomic vigil]

• Weapons: https://ghosts-of-tabor.fandom.com/wiki/Weapons_and_Ammunition
and
• Attachments: https://ghosts-of-tabor.fandom.com/wiki/Attachments
Spectre unlocks at level 4 are now updated with the help of @topaz granite providing some footage.

--- Continued appeal to mods to raise the "Wiki" role above "Church of Fish" so we can carrot-stick recruit some more active people to writing more articles & maintenance of it.

[verbal plume]

Such a rough choice for me

[somber rock]

I concur

Also give founding father more traction in the roles

[junior hedge]

Is that correct for m4. St 40dmg and tr 90dmg ap 43dmg?

[floral spruce]

i guess since its at 5m

[atomic vigil]

It is correct. For some reason tracers do double damage.

[untold linden]

its a bug tho

[atomic vigil]

Yes, they're looking into the cause of it. Will be fixed soon probably.

[opal needle]

I've been told 556x45 tracer dmg is fixed in next patch.

[vivid quest]

Noooo

I havent even tried it yet

I gotta go abuse that rq before the patch

[thin torrent]

wait i though those rooms were just more storage

[torpid gyro]

Thank god. I’m sick of seeing (M16a2-tracer) on my death screen

[junior hedge]

Just as I find out 😂😂

https://tenor.com/view/nope-no-way-no-disagree-hell-no-gif-15861629

[remote kettle]

Lord that means we definitely are going to have to do more testing
i hope they add the numbers back

[atomic vigil]

Can you look at this thread and tell us if it's coming back?

https://discord.com/channels/949081704625209404/1096572055559880904

Be really cool if it did... Would make finding more inconsistencies with damage easier.

Or...perhaps you guys can put more information out on ammo/gun effectiveness in the future

[normal fable]

are those gun damage values up to date? Just feels a bit strange that a AKM does twice the damage a SCAR does

[atomic vigil]

Correct from last wipe, I want to campaign for wiki testers to revive the old thread here and do more testing after the next patch...
#1092203020588171304 message

[normal fable]

haha wow! i had no idea that was how you guys were testing this

basically by shooting yourself and recording the dmg 🙂

i guess its a bit harder now since you dont get a actual number for the health, just a circular health bar

[atomic vigil]

Yep...exactly. We need a dataminer to see if they can pull values for damage. No one is able to reverse engineer ballistics quite yet.

[neon leaf]

maybe dnspy the dlls?

that's about all I know for reading code

[atomic vigil]

publicly, i don't want to admit to doing it myself. I will say I don't know what i'm doing it either.

[remote kettle]

Just found the 150rnd stanag drum magazine we should prob add that to the wiki
I would myself but im not smart and it isn't just letting me edit text lol

[atomic vigil]

Can you confirm it fits in all the 5.56 guns?

might just be the Stoner63

[remote kettle]

M4 stoner famas m16, i still need to test the galil and the scar

one sec

[verbal plume]

Yes

[remote kettle]

also works on the galil and L85A2
Don't have a scar rn

[atomic vigil]

I'm going to add it to all the 5.56 guns then. Minus the Scar L

till someone can come along and confirm.

[remote kettle]

Okay, thank you!

Damn that mag is comical lmao

[neon leaf]

when do we get the double sided glock drum

glock and balls :3

[atomic vigil]

Can I get you to confirm the name of the 150rnd magazine by putting it on sell conveyer belt?

Right now on the wiki it's labeled as : "150 round Box"

[remote kettle]

Currently bugged or something it just disappeared

[atomic vigil]

i'm so sorry

same bug as before with the boss mole mask when it was introduced ig

damn.

[remote kettle]

all good idrc in the changelogs its called a 150rnd stanag drum magazine but thats kinda long

[atomic vigil]

Yeah, i'll keep the name "150 round Box"

[remote kettle]

Okay

[verbal plume]

"150 rounds of freedom"

[jagged ermine]

Time to abuse galil tracers before it's patched out

[pliant meteor]

Do we have numbers on how exactly the grips change the guns stats?

[verbal plume]

nope. but you can test it in the market and just aim at the same spot and see the recoil patterns

some do vertical, some do horizontal, some do both

couldn't tell ya for sure

[pliant meteor]

Ah, I’ll have to give that a try

[lunar flume]

Same happened to me when I tried to save the stoner in my computer. Definitely a bug to be noted

[atomic vigil]

Yeah, only 3 bug reports on the issue.

Gun's rare ig and people aren't opting to sell but to display on the wall.

[vivid quest]

I found a stoner with a drum mag but the drum despawned😭

[knotty orchid]

🤓 akshually its a "box" mag

[vivid quest]

Its not boxy tho it was a cylindrical drum

[knotty orchid]

hang on it better be the period accurate mag or Im gonna piss in scotts cereal again

[knotty orchid]

this?

idt this has the 150

[vivid quest]

It has the feed in the middle facing upwards

[knotty orchid]

not accurate 😤

[vivid quest]

Not on the side

L

Mald

😂

[knotty orchid]

probably just for feed position consistency

like how the mat49 scrunks out if you fire it closed bolt

[vivid quest]

Its cuz it shares the same drum that goes in other 556 weapons in the game

[knotty orchid]

yea

the stoner drum itself be like this to make sure the gun doesnt jam even more than it already does

i wish we could topload normal stanag mags for the funi

[vivid quest]

Stoner in game is also not top loaded

Its bottom loaded

[knotty orchid]

true but once gunsmithing gets added, all you do is flip the receiver

[jagged ermine]

It's a modular weapon system, different configurations of the same rifle, in game is the rifle configuration

[knotty orchid]

wish it had the bipod

[jagged ermine]

Forgotten weapons has fantastic videos on this weapon system, good watch if you're a gun nerd like me

[remote kettle]

Well its not specifically a stoner mag its just an 150 round ar mag So it technically works

[knotty orchid]

idt stoners are legal to own in my state so I wouldnt be able to fact check that

[full current]

Finally got video proof of ricochet. Enjoy.

@atomic vigil

[sudden sundial]

I think they're using this: https://www.unrealengine.com/marketplace/en-US/product/easyballistics-plugin
which according to their marketplace page offers these possibilities (not sure what of it is actually used of course):
Features:
Bullet actor:
-External ballistics - simulating, gravity, drag, wind
-Travel time
-Ricochets
-Wall penetration
-Affected by physics material
-Ballistic curves and variable air density
-Object Pooling

Emitter component:
-Multile fire modes - automatic, semiauto, burst, manual charge
-Cone and velocity spread
-Unloading and reloading, optionally retaining chambered bullet
-Magazines can contain multiple bullet types
-Multiple submunitions per shot (shotgun)
-Full multiplayer support with custom movement replication.

[atomic vigil]

Yeah, I already confirmed they use that plugin previously: #1092203020588171304 message

What I want to know is how we should write out the ballistics page:
https://ghosts-of-tabor.fandom.com/wiki/Ballistics
I'm very close to just scrapping that wiki page since the Penetration tables for armor are tedium to fill out... I'm leaving it purely incase someone wants to take charge and get that kind of testing done on their own.

Thank you for the footage @full current - Still don't know what to do with the info. We know stuff can ricochet, but we need a writer to manage that ballistics page to fill out this area. I'm personally abandoning it since the page as a whole is kinda pointless atm:

[marble bison]

The stoner in game is in its rifle configuration where it takes stanag mags and it spawns with a stanag drum

The belt shit you're posting is irrelevant

[knotty orchid]

Riffing on gunsmithing

[marble bison]

I've gotten ton of ricochets in the tutorial

[neon leaf]

man I feel like I haven't done anything but I can't think of anything to do for the wiki

[knotty orchid]

Gotta just wait for stuff to do tbh

[rigid knot]

Here's my Ghost of Tabor Aid. Not completed at all but got some done

https://docs.google.com/document/d/1mI6IVIOi1D28aOaG8FLOnPWpFee6nInb3GWuDQhBWYA/edit?usp=sharing

@hardy hemlock ^^

[hardy hemlock]

@rigid knot Aawwwwe yeah!!! Thanks for remembering to tag me!!! 😄

[trail perch]

updating the weapons and ammunition page to add info on the mag check feature

[vivid quest]

Make sure to update the tracer damage for 556 guys

[trail perch]

yep we will be looking into it asap though it will be kinda rough without % health

[vivid quest]

Ah ic

Thats sucky

Too bad we cant just dig through files for the stats

[trail perch]

if yall want to help in getting a health % added to the watch i recommend up-voting this suggestion that me and @atomic vigil had worked on https://discord.com/channels/949081704625209404/1096572055559880904

haveing that percentage makes the difference bewteen a few hours or a day of data collection

[neon leaf]

@static sinew do you think we should replace the wiki roles link on the front page with the changelog?

[atomic vigil]

here? I'm not opposed to it.

we should have rules upon landing page when you log into a fandom account.

more to this page

[neon leaf]

what does this even mean

[trail perch]

so when you where looting desks and you opened the bottom drawer did you ever notice that you model would move up as if he was standing on the drawer itself?

[neon leaf]

no

I dont open desk drawers

lol

[trail perch]

first of all you are missing out on some good loot but yah that was an issue and it would make it weird to loot the lower drawers of the desks

[neon leaf]

whenever I open drawers its just a can of tuna or something

filing cabinets are where it's at

[trail perch]

https://tenor.com/view/why-not-both-why-not-take-both-gif-11478682

[neon leaf]

hard to open

[trail perch]

sounds like a skill issue

[atomic vigil]

yee, found a purple card in the drawers in a desk once, love me those deskies.

i've heard grab points are better for desks and stuff too. try it more Drake

[trail perch]

that reminds me there is a purple key spawn in radio tower in the room before the ladder

just on top of the side table

[static sinew]

https://tenor.com/view/both-kevin-spacey-perhaps-both-gif-14803012

[torpid gyro]

It’s rng, man

[trail perch]

no shit 0-0

[sturdy kiln]

What about all the electronic wallets you missed out on

[rigid knot]

Really? I usually find GPU's XD

[unkempt mango]

I got purple key card from it

[rare wasp]

I think I found an easter egg on M1 SASS you guys might like. Look inside the mag well.

[rare wasp]

I just watched the Q2C podcast in which Scott reveal that this is favorite gun and is left handed (judging by the way is gun was setup at 27:50)
Let's just say I don't think it's a coincidence lol.

[atomic vigil]

All good though

[rare wasp]

Good catch, did'nt notice that.

[atomic vigil]

Very interesting! I'll ask my friend to look at the mesh/texture to see what's up with that.

[rare wasp]

Thanks, Just a wild guess, when I first saw it I thought it was a low res Donald Trump lol

It was only on the left side of the mag well BTW. That's why I made the link with left handedness.

[atomic vigil]

This is the actual resolution of the texture. real blurry.

i'm thinking that guy looks more like boris johnson.

[rare wasp]

It's the double thumbs up that makes me say Trump lol

[atomic vigil]

lol maybe you're right

[rare wasp]

Nice! that's hilarious. Took the picture about a week ago then completely forgot about it.

[atomic vigil]

Ok... bear with me. I threw this (original image) into stable diffusion...

These are the ones for Trump

These are for Boris

[rare wasp]

I'm dying

[atomic vigil]

I thnk it matches Boris' character moreso xD

ok... no more from me.

[rare wasp]

We have to find the bottom of this lol

[atomic vigil]

i don't really want to anymore. its too goofy. LOL

[rare wasp]

Another day, I'm tired too it's late here. Good night buddy.

[knotty orchid]

Looks like two hot dogs kid to me

Maybe just an embarrassing pic of scott, maybe fish knows

[lost narwhal]

I remember seeing it but it was so blurry that I thought it was nothing

[strong nacelle]

fun fact i am left handed

[vivid quest]

Add this to the wiki

😂

[rugged nimbus]

Omg hey harr

[vivid quest]

yooo

[neon leaf]

should have taken me maybe 30 seconds to add that hotfix but it ended up taking 10 minutes because the mobile editor is so laughably bad

randomly moving my cursor around, undo button doesn't undo paste, clicking on an empty line doesn't show the cursor, randomly shuffles text around, displays formatting incorrectly

ahsgdjakshebsbjza

[rare wasp]

I am Too, that's how I discovered it lol

Go for a reload then "huh what's this?" hahaha

[wind drum]

What is it for?

i found one yesterday but i just dumped it

[atomic vigil]

big loot rooms... marked on these maps: https://ghosts-of-tabor.fandom.com/wiki/Special:AllMaps

[wind drum]

dammm

I fucked my self

thanks

[neon leaf]

definitely use it on silo, not island

there's a big door with a valve on it on the 3rd(?) floor

but yeah nice job there's a shit ton of loot in there lol

more than you can fit in a backpack solo

[torpid gyro]

Patch notes say Island vault loot should be as good as Silo’s now

[dense cloud]

I got 3 yesterday

[wind drum]

Ye i find them often just dk what to do with it lmfao

[neon leaf]

I don't trust it

I'll try it when I get another purple though

[static meteor]

yes

[neon leaf]

do not ask questions about the game here please

[blissful scarab]

Where should I ask questions then

[golden axle]

#❓・questions probably...?

[blissful scarab]

Shit u right I’m jus too lazy to look mb

[vivid quest]

How is the damage testing on the 556 weapons with tr ammo going

[little cypress]

Good question

[atomic vigil]

haven't played the game much tbh. lol
Work got me busy.

If anyone wants to head it up. Feel free to do so.
You can "Copy" this spreadsheet and use it yourself:

https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/1PAPRYO_UcUwGoW7T25lXwaBFSvscG0K_RzaF8gLd2YY/edit?usp=sharing

if you provide data, i'll just put it on the wiki for you. formatted and all

[trail perch]

it would be greatly appreciated for any assistance as this game is ever growing and changing

[knotty orchid]

islands loot room has less crates, I imagine with higher weight that means better loot per box than silos, but someone would have to test

[trail perch]

i mean it seems like they nerfed loot over all maps and the only thing they said was adjusted the look in island purple room to better match silo

[knotty orchid]

good tbh, map loot needs to be way rarer for them to add item condition testing

[versed crescent]

yah loot was absolutely nerfed

many boxes are empty

[rigid knot]

every box ive been opening had stuff in it

ive been finding a lot more GPU's too

[trail perch]

Random tip: if yout eat a can of fruit with your hands it will reatore both water and hunger if you eat it with a spoon it will decrease your hunger but increase your need for water

[trail perch]

Eating can fruit with hand +water +food eating can fruit with spoon -water +food

[atomic vigil]

I got you. Just don't understand the logic behind that. lol

[trail perch]

Its weird and also i just wanted to simplify it

[vestal fog]

Someone knows what the tackle box is worth?

[twilit berry]

4 dabloons

[twilit berry]

Maybe our players be so scared we drop most of it’s contents 🤯 (funny guess)

[rigid knot]

How I think Scott feels:

[vivid quest]

For tuna it takes your hydration sooooo fast

Nor the fish one

Idk if its tuna

[lament quarry]

What does more damage the galil or m4

[agile sandal]

According to the wiki, Galil

https://ghosts-of-tabor.fandom.com/wiki/Weapons_and_Ammunition

[sudden sundial]

I'm not very versed with actual gun physics/ballistics, but why would an AK Alpha with the same round do so much more damage than an AKM?

I know barrel length has an impact on how long the bullet gets accelerated, but surely these two are not that different?

[tall raft]

Very random but do y’all need the sell prices of items for the wiki? Cause I have the prices of the tackle box and a screen shot to prove it.

[atomic vigil]

oh shoot, i just added that now. 800 TK to highest trader. Does the value differ like electronic wallets or flight recorders? Or are our prices the same?

[tall raft]

No not at all I got the exact some prices, 800 for my highest as-well so it doesn’t differ. Also do you put where the items spawn in the wiki because I have no idea how to edit Wikipedia and I know a lot of the item spawns at least on island of tabor

[atomic vigil]

Cool, just need wire spool/printer filament

And diary/Bible

[tall raft]

I’m pretty sure I have a diary I will check

[atomic vigil]

Item spawns are random

Thanks

[tall raft]

No but some are not random

[atomic vigil]

If possible, send a photo of the diary too. Press return on the purchased item

[tall raft]

There is always a stack of money on the prison tower desk and a tackle box one of the tables in the boat house

[atomic vigil]

Oh like static spawns of items? Interesting... Not sure how useful that kinda info is yet.

[tall raft]

Yeah it’s not very useful but could be put in the future

[torpid gyro]

None

[torpid gyro]

None

None

[remote kettle]

No actual reason at all really

[remote kettle]

not always but often

[tall raft]

But often enough to seem intentional by the devs

[uneven ridge]

mine has sold for as little as 210 and a max of 540 iirc

[torpid gyro]

Some spawns seem like they are for a fixed item. The skull for example. Only the skull will spawn on the skeleton but not 100% of the time. Same with the electric wallet on the barrels in silo. The extraction room second level from the bottom. I only find the wallet on the barrels on the right side when walking into the room. Nothing else has spawned there for me

[barren slate]

Ak alpha is an ak 105 in 5.45, rounds moving a smidge faster, and it tumbles more (i think)

[blissful storm]

in the wiki it says the the Luty has the best damage output at <5 meters

does it mean that its the best smg in the game?

[verbal plume]

For full auto spray and pray sure. But no usable sights

[blissful storm]

LUTY4THEWIN 🙏 🧎

[compact orchid]

It's a great weapon to blind fire around a corner. But I just sell any I take out

[torpid gyro]

No irons or mod slots and a low mag capacity

[jagged ermine]

So vest b and 6b102 need to swap places, incorrect order and level of protection

[atomic vigil]

Can anyone corroborate this data? Pricing on them doesn't make sense at Minty

https://ghosts-of-tabor.fandom.com/wiki/Equipment#Chest_Rigs

[amber prairie]

just unlocked T4 minty and 6b102 is 16k-ish are prices on wiki for T5?

[atomic vigil]

We'd like to keep the wiki up to date. If you would be so kind, could you provide an unlisted YouTube video link to what is offered at Minty level 4?

[amber prairie]

Sure, got spectre T4 also so can do that too

[atomic vigil]

Ok, cool. Thanks

[static sinew]

@neon leaf You around? I might need you for a sec

You've got special perms on the wiki I don't have so I need you to do an edit for me

[neon leaf]

you should have all perms

[jagged ermine]

The vest with less space on it for modules is better??

Maybe I was wrong

[static sinew]

You would think so. Can you edit this page? https://ghosts-of-tabor.fandom.com/wiki/MediaWiki:Common.js

Ah. It's disabled by default on newer wiki's and I would need to send in a request to have it unlocked. Apparently all changes need to be reviewed by FANDOM staff too before it can be implemented. Imma see if I can find a workaround so I don't have to do that.

https://tenor.com/view/ben-affleck-thinking-thoughts-serious-hello-darkness-my-old-friend-gif-17677812

[neon leaf]

made you bureaucrat, should fix your issue

[static sinew]

It didn't, but thanks! I'm working on an alternative solution

I think I'm on the right track now

[static sinew]

Before:

After:

This took way too long to put together XD

Oop, forgot to put the boss somewhere

[atomic vigil]

Yo that's niceee

I can make lil png's of lockers/crates of various types. Maybe the Electronic wallet & Yorick skull static spawn icon as well.

• I'll remove the legend from the map on the interactive version. That filter looks so good.

@static sinew how difficult is it to get the top-down Island map in a similar working fashion & on the page: https://ghosts-of-tabor.fandom.com/wiki/Island_of_Tabor

[static sinew]

We should not have multiple interactive maps on the same page

Code would not be happy

[atomic vigil]

Yeah, just the top-down cardinal one would be fine.

But right now Island page doesn't have an interactive map whatsoever yet.

[static sinew]

Oh, I misread

I can do it for the island map too

There we go.

In the future we can add more items to this

[remote kettle]

not exactly it's just an project alpha ak and it's chambered in 7.62x39

Modernized version of the Ak100 AK47

[static sinew]

Done

[atomic vigil]

Should we add these to the Legend/Key? I'm worried it'll clutter the map... but then I look at Tarkov with it's millions of types of lootable containers on their wiki (https://escapefromtarkov.fandom.com/wiki/Map:Streets_of_Tarkov) and think it'll be fine... Thoughts?

[marble bison]

That hurt to read

While you are right it's a a meridian defense ak alpha

Ak100 ak47

[remote kettle]

Welp its an ak100 series derivative of the ak47

[remote kettle]

I think it will be fine but whats with the electronic wallet is there soem special spot that has it like often or soemthing

[remote kettle]

Behold, a contemporized iteration of the renowned Avtomat Kalashnikova 1947, now adorned as the Avtomat Kalashnikova 100 series, replete with a plethora of novel enhancements and refinements.

[marble bison]

The ak 109 series is actually from the ak-74m they just wanted aks in other calibers and lengths with the same furniture

All are basically the same actual gun it's just furniture that's different

And barrel lengths/calibers

[static sinew]

Those are good for place-holder icons. We should def get better ones in the future though. What should we name them?

[barren slate]

Ah i see

[atomic vigil]

Yeah, there's a damn near static spawn in hanger on a barrel on level 01

I'll mark it in a moment.

[atomic vigil]

That's a... Good question. I'll check with my friend who gave me the container 3d files for the names.

[remote kettle]

Intresting things like this and the cash that spawns in the office in prison is so strange i wonder how devs decide these things

[static sinew]

Just found out my workaround for making the maps have the fancy navigation break any time someone edits the map. Guess ill need to submit a js edit request to FANDOM afterall >.<

[atomic vigil]

Oh shoot, my bad

Had me excited so I edited it a bunch. That was short lived.

I'll keep at it.

[atomic vigil]

I also marked the e-wallet static spawn for silo on the interactive map.

It's there maybe once every 10 raids.

(I usually get sub 1k value on my e-wallet finds though )

[radiant mango]

Where is the most common spots for a key card?

[atomic vigil]

afaik, random

[atomic vigil]

So it looks like the covers of loot containers have two variants "A" and "B"
A = More plastic molded
B = Wooden industrial look

But they have the same classification of loot (Big, Medium or Small):

[shrewd current]

B

[compact orchid]

Look everywhere. They could be anywhere

[remote kettle]

My monkey brain tells me the wooden ones have mroe food and the plastic ones have more tech stuff

[radiant mango]

Another frost 👀

[compact orchid]

Welcome other Frost!

[atomic vigil]

https://clips.twitch.tv/HotVainCaribouHassanChop-HJ7xcYrLwqkN5LS3

@remote kettle

[remote kettle]

Damn i must be unlucky didn't find it 3 raids in a row then stopped looking lmao

[atomic vigil]

https://clips.twitch.tv/CorrectColorfulEchidnaTheThing-PdlLMUIAXRtwulkM

back to back...

[atomic vigil]

• Updating the wiki trader page with this new info:

[vivid quest]

Oh shit

[red berry]

Pretty much see one every raid

[hybrid laurel]

Does that mean things retrieved from the trader screen loose fir tags? Like if you try to sell something and then get it back.

[atomic vigil]

Yeah. It loses FIR status. Tested it myself 😭

Store the turn-in items on shelves

"Purchased list" =/= Found in raid list... but it's such easy near-infinite storage

[hybrid laurel]

Fuck. So that's why I couldn't turn in that vest.

[full current]

Yeah for anyone still using their trade computer for storage because the shelves were **** they’re WAY better now.

For https://ghosts-of-tabor.fandom.com/wiki/Bunker_Equipment on the topic of storage shelves, I’ve noticed that sometimes items I intentionally throw on the floor (or not in storage) like empty powder tubs will sometimes appear in my purchased items. Is this a fix for items that are improperly stored disappearing or is that still an issue?

Thought about creating a couple gifs and explanation on how to make sure things are stored properly but idk if that’s fixed now

[atomic vigil]

I've had a hit/miss experience with empty consumables. Sometimes they show up in "purchased items" and other times they just go poof.

Maybe hold off on making those explanation-gifs until they patch tomorrow or friday (if they do).

Thanks for volunteering to make those.

[hybrid laurel]

Would be nice if items never disappeared but just went into the purchased items screen. Most of the time when that happens it's the empty powder bottles that do it for me. Also if a gun falls through the ground it goes there.

[neon leaf]

erm, wrong chat 🤓

[amber prairie]

How else were people supposed to collect 10 M18s for minty 😂

[pale sparrow]

Fr I've only seen like 3 out in the wild since open beta days. Seen more purple cards

[oak laurel]

Made a gif from the Krtek cartoon that the silo boss is based on... just cause

[pastel umbra]

we need to update sks mags

it’s 75 not 50

[neon leaf]

@static sinew just realized I've watched several of your videos without realizing it was you lol

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gcD4Bh9g8sQ

[static sinew]

Hope you found them interesting!

[neon leaf]

https://tenor.com/view/its-as-shrimple-as-that-shrimple-simply-mantastic-mantastic-manta-ray-gif-26542779

[trail perch]

If you have proof of this please send in a ticket #953399875133902899 this is not the proper channel for this kind of posy

[brazen sierra]

^

[brazen sierra]

how do i get the founding father role? I bought it

[trail perch]

so this belongs in #❓・questions but founding fathers was a limited time package for early supporters of GoT that is no longer able to be purchased

[shrewd harbor]

Unless I have overlooked it alot, I'm not seeing the Power Supply in the Junk section of Fandom

[atomic vigil]

Good catch. It's not there. 😂 Someone snap a photo and provide the highest sell price.

[still gulch]

7.62 x 25? PPSH

[atomic vigil]

Correct. https://ghosts-of-tabor.fandom.com/wiki/Weapons_and_Ammunition#SMGS

[still gulch]

Cheers

[autumn niche]

👍

[ashen bear]

Has anyone found the desert eagle or revvy

In game

Revolvers would be cool if u could carry loose rounds in ur pouches

[atomic vigil]

Those have been removed for the time being. Probably for bug fixing

[jaunty kayak]

@announcements

#📢・announcements

[ember whale]

@brazen sierra you can dm one of the online mods with proof of purchase, and they will give you the role

[somber rock]

Junk prices need an overhaul

[shrewd harbor]

Power supply still needs to be added to junk as well

[zenith sable]

i suggest adding an armor module that can hold a secondary/pistol

[shrewd harbor]

Wrong section. Post on suggestions if there isn't one for that already

[zenith sable]

oops

do you think it would be a good idea ?

[vivid quest]

No u only need one holster

[zenith sable]

[brazen sierra]

Thanks a lot

[wise ermine]

where bar 🤨

ive waited two minutes

[knotty orchid]

and you will wait two more

[wise ermine]

heh

[knotty orchid]

for u

ill test a few damage shots but i cant test too long

[acoustic ocean]

Does anyone know if the 5.7 handgun got buffed yet?

[knotty orchid]

looks like for torso shots the bar is 45~

the sight is unusable for it though so

cant recommend

[static sinew]

Added

[knotty orchid]

love ya orb

[static sinew]

[knotty orchid]

Ill fill in the rest

[static sinew]

thx

[torpid gyro]

I was at a gunshow Saturday and one dude was selling a BAR for $55000. Also had a Thompson and MP40 for half that

[knotty orchid]

jfc the bar sells for peanuts

also the damage is 45~ but I only tested like 3 shots

cant figure out how to open the editor on the damage sheetp age

[wise ermine]

yoooooo lvl 1????

shit g3

[agile sandal]

Did a quick test in training mode looks like it's been buffed a bit, similar to Glock damage now.

[acoustic ocean]

It’s something I guess

[agile sandal]

Dunno how it fairs against armour, ought to be better than 9x19mm in theory

[icy sapphire]

Fr 30-06 is better than 9mm????

[atomic vigil]

I'll add that now. Ty for the testing, photos and getting that started!

[knotty orchid]

My soul for the wiki

[static sinew]

It's the same page

At the bottom of the first table the second one starts

[atomic vigil]

All done.

[knotty orchid]

Ah, I was trying to use the visual editor but double clicking just brings up a search function

[static sinew]

Don't use the visual editor

It's bad

[knotty orchid]

It really is

[atomic vigil]

Yeah i'm wondering if we should just split off damage to it's own page:
https://ghosts-of-tabor.fandom.com/wiki/Ballistics
We can repurpose this one ^

so it's more accessible

i've noticed less edits were done to stuff after I added the <tabber> function

[knotty orchid]

Might be good, and just link it on the weapons page

[atomic vigil]

Lets do that for now... We could use more help so it'll be best

i'll rework it now

[knotty orchid]

Bless

[agile sandal]

Nah talking about the fn fiveseven Vs. Glock.

[icy sapphire]

Mb

[trail perch]

I mean yes the 57 is worse then the glock in damage but where the 57 stands out is its armor pen being able to pen most things up to class 5 with ease

[agile sandal]

Neither will go through a vest B in game, just tested it. Might try some worse armour

[wise ermine]

did yall just copy and paste tarkov’s chart

[agile sandal]

Also interestingly suppressor doesn't reduce damage at all from what I can see in game, dunno how realistic that is, I'm not an expert

[pastel gust]

is there a new damage test chart done post wipe?

[static sinew]

no lol.

[knotty orchid]

No, orbb works on both wikis, so style is similar

[static sinew]

I didn't actually work on the ballistics table on Tabor at all, though the way damages work in both games are so similar and the ballistics table has seen so much success, why not use the same format?

[trail perch]

Since the change of the watch it has made it rather hard to get accurate readings of damage if you would like to see a change happen to update the watch to give % values aswell please go up vote this post and leave a comment as it will help it get seen by the devs https://discord.com/channels/949081704625209404/1096572055559880904

Both @atomic vigil and I along with many others worked hard on that first ballistics chart and it had to be wiped as changes were happening to weapon damage

[pastel gust]

oh ive already done that
i wonder if it would be more prudent to just take the dial of the watch as the amount of health someone has instead of trying to base it out of 100
like there are 46 notches, therefor you have 46 health
how many notches does a bullet take?

[trail perch]

The thing is some guns do roughly 45-46 damage and others do 100+ "death"

[knotty orchid]

The peer-to-peer training mode would make testing a lot easier

Maybe even a private testing area

[trail perch]

god that would be a blessing

[atomic vigil]

https://ptb.discord.com/channels/949081704625209404/1087820865846124615

Plz upvote

[knotty orchid]

Done

Be cool if we could get a stat menu to make testing damage/ammo easier

[marble bison]

Very realistic if anything suppressors increase velocity slightly

[knotty orchid]

yea suppressors modify the gas more than anything

[tranquil vessel]

could you send me this spreadsheet i would really like to take a look at it

[knotty orchid]

its the wiki https://ghosts-of-tabor.fandom.com/wiki/Weapons_and_Ammunition

[neon leaf]

@static sinew can you do patch notes

I won't be available until late tonight

[tranquil vessel]

thanks

[static sinew]

busy

[knotty orchid]

I could do it, is it just formatting the announcement posts?

[static sinew]

And updating the [[Gameversion]] page with the new patch #

[knotty orchid]

where do I find that

[trail perch]

its off of the main page

[static sinew]

https://ghosts-of-tabor.fandom.com/wiki/Template:Gameversion

[knotty orchid]

lovely I'll give it a shot

but I mean hwo to find the current version number, is it on the profile ingame?

wait derp, they shared it

[trail perch]

yah fish tends to say it and if not it can be found ingame under profile im pretty sure

[knotty orchid]

https://ghosts-of-tabor.fandom.com/wiki/Changelog

threw it together

lemme do table of contents for add/fix/change

its all hunky dory now

[full current]

I feel like there should be annotation for the URG86 that notes that it is (in this instance) an impact grenade. It would be cool to see the selector switch on the actual URG86 get implemented and we can choose to have it be an impact or timed fuse.

[knotty orchid]

figured id snap this in here incase it wasnt alreaady known

[full current]

I couldn’t remember the names for all the fields but I knew 0. was beta and after that, the further down the number change, the less impactful the update. Lol

[remote kettle]

Lord have mercy

[rich jolt]

Who is working on damage values?

[dusky hull]

Y’all add the BAR yet?

[knotty orchid]

yes we did

[atomic vigil]

#1092203020588171304 message

Need help to do testing

All are welcome

[atomic vigil]

Could be you!

[knotty orchid]

bar price is updated with lvl 5 and lvl 1 prices

[neon leaf]

formatting is off 😐

[knotty orchid]

😔

[neon leaf]

everything under added should start with added, fixed starts with fixed, etc

if it doesn't work reword it to fit

https://tenor.com/view/its-as-shrimple-as-that-shrimple-clam-grass-jump-gif-25956447

[knotty orchid]

weird but fixed

I think having the literal wordage of the devs in announcements fits better for notes

[wicked tendon]

Has anyone gotten the m highest chance places for purple keycard

[knotty orchid]

no one has any idea of loot weight in numbers

[odd ocean]

as val is missing the rails

[knotty orchid]

missing the rails? or missing the ability to put the rails on it, also #1083899890427502674

[atomic vigil]

If you would like to provide an updated image, that'd be awesome.

[odd ocean]

no like on the wiki it says only one rail but they added like 3 more

[knotty orchid]

i dont have one to test so youd need to grab a picture

[odd ocean]

when i get home i will i have lvl 4 spectere

[atomic vigil]

Ah, ok. Dovetail mount + 2 rails. Gotchu

[odd ocean]

i think it's dovetail + 3 so 4 in all

[atomic vigil]

Got it. Fixing again.

[knotty orchid]

weird that its dovetail+3 instead of all picatinny

never seen one that isnt all rails

or no rails

[knotty orchid]

oop, someone bitching about luty got its damage changed

[atomic vigil]

big sad. had to be done tbh

[knotty orchid]

it was fiiiiine

[mellow grove]

It wasn’t even that good it had a 16 round mag and no sights I feel that the damage was fair

[atomic vigil]

While I agree with you (hence: "big sad")... I still agree with you.
Vocal minority is so loud sometimes.

I don't want my gold luty anymore.

[knotty orchid]

I still do

its damage is 3 shots to kill now, but it still melts lol

[wise ermine]

does ‘ak side rail’ mean dovetail mount?

[marble bison]

Yeah

[atomic vigil]

I'll go ahead and change them all to Dovetail mount if that's the preferred nomenclature.

Vote 1️⃣ for "AK Side Rail" (as-is)
Vote 2️⃣ for "Dovetail Mount" (update)

[wise ermine]

well when you say side rail it usually refers to something that you attach an accessory to (laser, flashlight, etc.)

[atomic vigil]

Only reason why it says what it says now is cuz of devs ^

But i'm with the Dovetail movement

lol

Oh, i did some homework, looks like Dovetail mounts are more overarching and for AKs in particular they fall inside that but are considered "Side mounted dove-tail mounts"

So devs are more on the nose than we are

Gonna strike myself down here. No change needed.

w Devs

[neon leaf]

the devs write things so inconsistently and hard to understand that I sometimes have to spend 10 minutes deciphering what the hell something means

[knotty orchid]

fair

[rotund wadi]

specifically it looks like the Zastava model with the canted rail removed https://zastavaarmsusa.com/product/zastava-m70-scope-mount/

[normal fable]

the most likely spawn i have seen is on the little brown table in the upstairs office room of radio station. The room you enter before you get to the ladder that takes you to the roof

[atomic vigil]

@normal fable @wicked tendon
https://clips.twitch.tv/CleverSuaveSheepCorgiDerp-2VNvxjGyxStVIo9r
I'd put it on the map... but I kinda want multiple "loot spots" it'd be similar to the shoreline map on Tarkov.

[normal fable]

Ah yeah that's the one

More a drawer, not a table

[atomic vigil]

Like... i want to do the Island map to include markers or hotspots for loot, similar to this:

[normal fable]

That's cool!

[atomic vigil]

Might need more locations first.

Yeah, tarkov map makers are nutty, so dense in info

[normal fable]

The most common purple keycard spawn is currently inside the purple keycard room though haha

After they changed the loot quality in that room

[normal fable]

Wow those maps are crazy complex

[pastel gust]

Yeah it’s hard because I’m still seeing loot spawn in places I’ve never seen it spawn before

[atomic vigil]

nothing is static. game is in active early development stages still... i remember one patch they just included the tunnel next to the Research building out of the blue... Maps change minor patch to minor patch. It's kinda fun.

[static sinew]

Then there's maps like the interactive Streets of Tarkov one. When they expand the map (this is only like 1/3, 1/4 the planned size) it's gonna get nutty. https://escapefromtarkov.fandom.com/wiki/Map:Streets_of_Tarkov

Oh shit, I didn't even realize Muha uploaded an Interactive map for Labs a month ago

I never play that map :p

[atomic vigil]

that labs interactive map is pretty slick

[static sinew]

We need to get icons like that for ours eventually. White outlined, with simplified and easy-to-understand graphics

[atomic vigil]

I'll try to steer in that direction with my map making efforts until someone who has a better map comes along xD

[static sinew]

<3

[atomic vigil]

i usually just borrow & donate to those who make them

[static sinew]

Unfortunately, I am no artist, else I would assist with map making

[atomic vigil]

s'all good! it's been fun playing with making maps for the first time.

[static sinew]

Oh my god I forgot I had these

I was looking for the shitty day 1 Reserve underground map I made as an example

And found this

[atomic vigil]

Woah. i've never seen that before

[static sinew]

I don't think it was distributed

[atomic vigil]

Have you seen what r3mer's been working on?
https://twitter.com/re3mr/status/1648378216598454282?s=20

3d isometric stuff is so good

REƎMR (@re3mr)

More details for the Factory map. I made the broken helicopter tail, a debris filled container, more rafters, supports & pipes + lots of smaller adjustments.

Twitter · Apr 18, 2023, 5:29 PM

[static sinew]

Had it as part of an internal discussion on how to better display quests from a top-down view

Yeah, I was in a chat with him yesterday

[atomic vigil]

very cool!

man has a way with blender

[static sinew]

I have a similar map of Woods that's so big the only program I can open it in is Photoshop

[atomic vigil]

https://tenor.com/view/thirsty-oh-my-god-omg-wolf-of-wall-street-leonardo-dicaprio-gif-5715901

[static sinew]

804 MB PNG, 28,000 x 18,780 resolution

Here's a bit of it

I think I used that image in one quest guide

Yeah, for the blood on the van

[atomic vigil]

Verrry nice

[static sinew]

Here it is! https://static.wikia.nocookie.net/escapefromtarkov_gamepedia/images/7/77/BloodSampleISO.png/revision/latest?cb=20210119020152

[atomic vigil]

How does one make this sort of map? Looks like a custom map builder program for Zomboid

[static sinew]

No, that's the actual map rendered in Unity

[atomic vigil]

Ahhh i see. It's great as well

[static sinew]

Not everything is included ofc

Just all the main bits

LOL I forgot I made this. I was bored one day

[atomic vigil]

Damn, that's siiiick. Turn based strat game tarkov

How long did that take you? xD ngl, i'd play a game like that or watch a yt miniseries in that kinda style

[static sinew]

It's not an actual game, just a mockup video I made. I think I posted it to the subreddit but nobody cared so I didn't try making anything special

Only took me a few hours because I had to re-learn how to video editing/do *basic * animation because I forgot

[atomic vigil]

I think it's nifty.

[normal fable]

just went in and did a quick test with the m4 / galil using FMJ unarmored - i think the damage got a boost

shot to the chest was taking off about 50% health

and the AKM did about 60-65% in a second test. so perhaps theyre trying to bring those 2 calibers closer to each other

which is good news because it didnt really make sense how the akm did almost twice the dmg

[atomic vigil]

Ballistics has a lot of work cut out for us. You're welcome to plot new damage numbers down on that sheet again for the wiki if you have time. Open invite to all who want to help out. I think we'll have to settle with guesstimates on damage

#1092203020588171304 message

[dusky hull]

The Hospital Trader needs a bit of an update mention that the trader also sells food and water alongside of a spoon.

[atomic vigil]

Good catch! Fixed it. 👍

[dusky hull]

[atomic vigil]

Oof left out the spoon, but it's fineee

[dusky hull]

I officially helped with the wiki!!!!

[dusky hull]

That’s not fine!!!!

What if a Timmy is needing a spoon and having to risky his life for one on the streets of tabor. He’ll have a hard time trying to be a civil bean trying to eat in a non barbaric way.

[atomic vigil]

I think the timmies will be just fine. But I'll add it since that paints such a tragic story.

[wise ermine]

would we want to standardize the gun photos?

some have mags

some do not

[knotty orchid]

If you wanna grab photos with mags in sure

We also need the new bar price at level 1 traders

[full current]

So is the grenade damage just an aoe? I’ve tried a few times and ways but I can’t seem to find evidence of actual fragmentation

[full current]

It would be nice if you could coop training so you could test in a controlled environment without gear loss

[atomic vigil]

Yeah! I need this: https://ptb.discord.com/channels/949081704625209404/1087820865846124615
Upvote this thread

[full current]

Where did the part on the wiki go that said what type of 12g you get from each powder? I can’t remember if slugs are ST because they’re in a red box or AP which would presumably be more accurate

I know TR is birdshot. Like why, give us flechette rounds or something lol

[atomic vigil]

Was that ever in the wiki? I like it. Added it to the ballistics page: https://ghosts-of-tabor.fandom.com/wiki/Ballistics#Shotguns

[knotty orchid]

sphere from what I know

[knotty orchid]

Slugs are ap 12ga

[full current]

Yes, buckshot is st, birdshot is tr and slugs are AP

Ok so tracer ammo does less damage than standard… good to know. I had read somewhere that damage goes ST<TR<AP.

Time to go sell off a bunch of ammo I made now

[royal mantle]

Birdshot being higher tier than buckshot is so weird, it actually hurt my soul when i realized lol

[rare wasp]

I would like to involve myself in the Wiki.
I just launched my Youtube channel about a month ago and I'm working on a serie of video where I want to "review" every guns in the game. Which makes me think we could be really useful to one another especially for anything related to guns.
I already have a bunch of notes and information on roughly 90% of the weapons in the game. (bought all the guns during the 10mil week)
Only thing I didn't really tested was damage, I just used your numbers for that. Let me know if you guys need to test anything regarding any weapons, that would actually just help my content I believe. 🙂

Feel free to DM me for that if you prefer. Just make sure to mention it's about the GoT Wiki.

[atomic vigil]

Happy to have any help we can get! Feel free to dive into the fandom pages and edit stuff. Check the pins on how to get started.

[atomic vigil]

What's the YT channel name? I'll sub.

[rare wasp]

Same name as here. It's been my name everywhere online since 2007 😅

Thanks buddy!

[knotty orchid]

need level 5 and level 1 new bar values, price massively decreased

adjusted price on wiki to roughly 10k for now

[young magnet]

quite the good rebuild of the medcamp

[hidden barn]

Link your yt to ur discord

[rare wasp]

Indeed, that would be a good Idea lol 😅 (Done, thanks buddy!)

[torpid gyro]

Bros online alias is almost as old as me

[knotty orchid]

patchnotes done

[knotty orchid]

Anyone have info on the ration system

[tropic matrix]

@knotty orchid

"Rations are periodical free items that you can receive in the Trade Room under the "Rations" tab and can be collected once the timer has reached its end. Once the items in the list are collected, the timer restarts. These timers range from daily, weekly, and monthly rations. "

[knotty orchid]

yea whered you grab that

[tropic matrix]

I made it lol

I sat here and typed it

[knotty orchid]

ah, trying to figure out what the exact items are

figure we should catalog them

[atomic vigil]

that's a good idea actually.

[tropic matrix]

Sure, I can get that information right now if you need!

[knotty orchid]

that'd be good

[tropic matrix]

Alright, give me a bit!

Dang, I kind of want to contribute to the wiki.

I have to update my game.

@knotty orchid Where's your wiki role?

[knotty orchid]

Never bothered asking for it

[tropic matrix]

You deserve it!

I may become a wiki editor/donator

I like writing so, it's perfect

@low geyser

@knotty orchid

6 Hour - 
1 Ruger MK3, 1 Ruger Magazine, 1 NRS

Daily - 
1 Chest Rig A22, 1 Cat Food, 1 Hunter85, 1 Hunter 85 Magazine

Weekly - 
1 Chest Rig JPC2, 1 Helmet SPH5, Primary Ammo Module, Secondary Ammo Module

I've officially contributed to the wiki :D

[knotty orchid]

thats pretty good rations honestly

[tropic matrix]

Yea

There should be a topic called "The Computer"

[tropic matrix]

@atomic vigil What do you think?

[atomic vigil]

SO many computer screens in the game tho... I guess we can have something like that.

[tropic matrix]

It can be featured in in "Bunker Equipment" and can specify which computer by specified rooms

[atomic vigil]

Oh, that'd be easy ^

[tropic matrix]

Yea, I could do it rn?

[knotty orchid]

yea terminal meta info ig

[tropic matrix]

So a section called Terminal?

@knotty orchid ^?

[knotty orchid]

probably should be under bunker

[tropic matrix]

Ye but under what? or a new bit

[knotty orchid]

https://ghosts-of-tabor.fandom.com/wiki/Bunker_Equipment

maybe here

[tropic matrix]

Yea

I'll make a new section for it

[knotty orchid]

well just like

trade terminal>ration

[tropic matrix]

Alrighty

Should jt be "Ration" or "Player Rations"?

[knotty orchid]

equipment ration

[tropic matrix]

Alrighty, should I use the paragraph I wrote up or you got something better?

[knotty orchid]

the information is whats important, we can pretty it up later

[tropic matrix]

@knotty orchid All done, let me know whatcha think

[knotty orchid]

Looks good

[tropic matrix]

Added 2 new sub things, @knotty orchid

Explaining Favorites and Purchased Items

[atomic vigil]

That's what's up. Keep it coming.

[tropic matrix]

:D

[atomic vigil]

Whoever gave Jb DE his wiki tag, plz give one to @knotty orchid too.
@lean hamlet she's on there editing in stuff all the times. 👍

[tropic matrix]

The German flag is the emoji in my name lol @atomic vigil

[knotty orchid]

ay gz on the role

[tropic matrix]

Tyy

[atomic vigil]

lol oops

[marble bison]

The 6 hours one can also be a pm

[knotty orchid]

do rations stack

like in 24 hours will you have 4x the 6 hour

or only if youve taken the previous out

[marble bison]

Don't stack@knotty orchid

[tropic matrix]

No

The Ration timer resets once collected

Which is stated on the wiki >:)

[knotty orchid]

roger, was gonna say it'd be kindve annoying, but edition stuff will be placed inbunker instead of clogging the terminal

[tropic matrix]

Huh???

[knotty orchid]

makarov

[tropic matrix]

What does he mean by "pm"

[marble bison]

Makarov

[knotty orchid]

its "pistol, makarov" because in russian its PM instead of MP

so it would be pistol machine, instead of machine pistol

[tropic matrix]

Oh?

So the Ruger can also be a Marakov?

[knotty orchid]

ye

[tropic matrix]

I'll update that tmr on the wiki

I'll just add "or Marakov"

same for the mag

Being a wiki contributer is cool

[marble bison]

@tropic matrix yeah it's pretty rare in my experience but tbh I just stopped claiming those rations

[tropic matrix]

Haha, I only claim so I can do easy silo runs and get a lot of stuff

[static sinew]

Locations page changes.
Old:

New:

[static sinew]

Moved additional images from the Locations page onto their individual pages in the gallery sections

Added interactive map to the Island of Tabor page and did a bit of other minor source fixes

[static sinew]

Adding floating table headers to various places so they stay on-screen when scrolling down through a table. They're slightly bugged with the headers being offset a little when scrolling, but fix when you pause

[atomic vigil]

These fixes are amazing. Thanks for reporting all those changes 🫡 ! QOL up 200%

[sly dome]

You guys doing the damage ratings again? 😁🙏🏼

[tropic matrix]

We can't unless given the updates ratings lol

[shrewd harbor]

Journal and Power Supply both needed to be added to the junk wiki

[blazing imp]

Did the level guns are available at change?

[atomic vigil]

It's very possible! They've done it before in the past.

Open call:
Looking for up to date footage of level 3, 4 and 5 spectre vendor options. Please provide an unlisted YouTube video if possible!

[marble bison]

@atomic vigil I have lvl 3 rn and close to lvl 4 later I can probably clip lvl 3 later and 4 later today or tomorrow

[atomic vigil]

Thanks! I'd appreciate that.

[marble bison]

Yeah not home rn

[atomic vigil]

Whenever, whoever, all good.

[atomic vigil]

Anyone got an image & highest vendor value?
• Journal/diary (whatever it's called in game)
• PSU (Power Supply)

I can do the Journal later today when i'm off work. Just need the PSU.

Photo from lighthouse stairs area that lead up to it.

[tropic matrix]

Best way to get PSU is the elevator room

I had one earlier 😭

[knotty orchid]

:D

[atomic vigil]

Gratz!

[tropic matrix]

Niceeee

[azure geyser]

I’m here to contribute information. Anybody need any?

[atomic vigil]

It's very possible! They've done it before in the past.

Open call:
Looking for up to date footage of level 3, 4 and 5 spectre vendor options. Please provide an unlisted YouTube video if possible!

Also looking for a psu (power supply) photo on the stairs up to lighthouse. + highest trader price sell

Also, have a look in the pins. Make a Fandom account and start working on the wiki

[azure geyser]

Alright, will do.

[atomic vigil]

It's not required to tell us everything you do, but it's appreciated

[tropic matrix]

DonZzzilla he is just doing it for the role 😭

[atomic vigil]

That's fine, wiki work needs incentive carrot on stick for some people

Happy to get help where we can

[tropic matrix]

Ah

[knotty orchid]

Nah johns been polite about doin work to help

[tropic matrix]

Okay, I can get the PSU picture

[tropic matrix]

He also asked me how I got the role lol

[knotty orchid]

Ah

[tropic matrix]

TBH I contributed a lot less than you guys and got the role fast, I wanna contribute more

BTW where is the DLC section?

So I can update the information on it

@knotty orchid

[knotty orchid]

Type downloadable in search bar

I wouldnt add the item until its actually in the game

[tropic matrix]

I am just adding an upcoming items thing like in Weapons & Ammo

https://ghosts-of-tabor.fandom.com/wiki/Downloadable_Content#Wipe_items

added Giant Spoon to it

[knotty orchid]

Yea thats fine

[azure geyser]

I was trying to figure out what it meant by wiki. If I wanted to send images I would pay

[tropic matrix]

Uh okay?

[azure geyser]

Just saying, I legitimately do want to help. Not just doing it for the role

[tropic matrix]

Okay, well I am excited to see what you contribute to.

[azure geyser]

I’m excited to contribute along side you guys lol.

[tropic matrix]

Okay

[idle wraith]

@tropic matrix blood beach spawn on island

[tropic matrix]

What

@idle wraith

[idle wraith]

For the interactive map function on island, there is a spawn just north on the beach. Blood beach spawn

[tropic matrix]

Okay? What do you want me to do?

[knotty orchid]

not all of us can change the interactive map

[tropic matrix]

I am confused as hell lol

[knotty orchid]

oooo orb buffed up the locations page

looking at the interactive map editor, how the fuck do you place preset icons lmao

oh jesus christ you need to manually edit each node

yeah nope

[sudden sundial]

Might have been asked before, but do we know already what that machine and that additional room is for?

[knotty orchid]

yea thats the craftamajig

[sudden sundial]

I see 😄

[atomic vigil]

Yeah the interactive map is supposed to be easier for anyone to edit on a desktop browser. Feel free to do it yourselves.

Or... Mark it out in a screenshot and someone here can do it for you

One thing I found is, if you're in the edit window, and the map is too zoomed in...

just refresh once and it's going to resize into a way where you can zoom in and out.

That makes it more easy to work with.

[static sinew]

You can place them the same way as before, just click the button in the corner to enter the edit mode then select where and which icon you want to use

[knotty orchid]

how do you select the icon though

I just get this

[atomic vigil]

The category drop down will have all the options already established (plus icon!)

Just give it a nice title. That's all that's up to you.

Additional info is optional.

[idle wraith]

Wasn't able to edit couldn't see how too

[atomic vigil]

For future Interactive wiki map editors:

That campfire spawn has been repurposed since it doesn't seem to be a thing any longer ⬆️

To edit: Be logged in to your free fandom account.

To get the zoomed out view: Refresh once.

To make saves to the changes: Ensure you click save in the bottom left corner.

[atomic vigil]

More indepth info: https://community.fandom.com/wiki/Help:Interactive_Maps

[knotty orchid]

Yeah but how do I select those whenever I grab it it just lets me edit

I'll mess with it tomorrow. I'll need to learn it before the other maps

[atomic vigil]

In the video i posted, about 25 seconds in you can choose a category already established.

Really odd that it's only letting you "Edit" or type in a new one.

[static sinew]

Alternative reading on the dev wiki: https://dev.fandom.com/wiki/MapsExtended

[eternal glade]

i also saw like some gpus behind the communication room and i tought that there would be like bitcoin mining

so u can like get korunas from that

[tropic matrix]

There will be a crypto mining room

[eternal glade]

yes

[tropic matrix]

I think only FF can unlock it right now

[eternal glade]

what is ff?

[tropic matrix]

Founding Father @eternal glade

[pale sparrow]

final fantasy

[knotty orchid]

Locked for everyone

[normal fable]

@atomic vigil that interactive map on Silo is awesome! thanks for that

99% of my playtime has been island. getting into Silo and understanding the map takes some time

so this map is super helpful 😄

[normal fable]

here you go:
specter lvl5: https://youtu.be/cXZJY5veUss
minty lvl5 : https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0bM6QFg27nA

[atomic vigil]

Legend! Thank you for that.

[atomic vigil]

Gonna have to shoehorn this into a page. It was in the "Chad" channel.

[normal fable]

no prob!

[normal fable]

interesting! makes sense

there's a chad channel..?

[static sinew]

[neon leaf]

you get access by using what is basically discords version of patreon

[atomic vigil]

https://ptb.discord.com/channels/949081704625209404/role-subscriptions

[normal fable]

Ahhh

Lol

[static sinew]

Could somebody provide a good screenshot from inside the bunker that could represent it on the Locations page?

Also looking for an updated image of the backpack since it is no longer blue

Thoughts on combining the pages "Bunker Equipment" (https://ghosts-of-tabor.fandom.com/wiki/Bunker_Equipment) and "Personal Bunker"(https://ghosts-of-tabor.fandom.com/wiki/Personal_Bunker)?

[atomic vigil]

To-Do Thread

[atomic vigil]

I reaally like this idea.

[static sinew]

Now if anybody is wondering "What can I do for the wiki?"
#1104223554616184851

[random fulcrum]

tried putting these up myself, but I'm having trouble with the editor for some reason. hope this helps 👍

[static sinew]

No worries, I can add them. I'm guessing you tried uisng the visual editor. It sucks. I recommend the Source editor :)

Actually, for the backpack you can click on it to get to its source page https://ghosts-of-tabor.fandom.com/wiki/File:Adventure_Crop.jpg. Here, you can click "Upload a new version of this file" to update the backpack image @random fulcrum

I'll put up the bunker image

It looks great!

Bunker image added

[random fulcrum]

cool cool. backpack updated

[shrewd harbor]

Hey guys! Appreciate all the work yall have put into the wiki. Just wanted to touch back on that journal and power source are still absent from the junk wiki. But trying to bother, just know things get forgotten

[quaint mountain]

where can you get a map of silo zoomed out

[atomic vigil]

https://ghosts-of-tabor.fandom.com/wiki/Special:NewFiles?file=Silo-Top-Down-Cardinal-Map.png

[random fulcrum]

Journal and Power Supply added to the Junk page 👍

[earnest pecan]

is this just unannounced or a wip or do we have any more info on this? It would be cool to play as fenix. Was this added by the devs or some rando?

https://ghosts-of-tabor.fandom.com/wiki/Ghosts_of_Tabor_Wiki

[knotty orchid]

was mentioned in a dev questionnaire, I imagine the time is subject to change, especially how people leave raid so early

[rich jolt]

It's straight from ghostsoftabor.com not in the game obviously

[chrome sonnet]

<@&1074374807694618644> if you do this, you will be banned and i promise we will not unban you. then we will ban you from discord. This is your warning.

[neon leaf]

I can't even read that low res jpg

unless my discord is just refusing to load it at decent res

[chrome sonnet]

The user typed in the forum "I am trying to gather information for the fan Wiki. I would like to see how much damage is done on a shot. I can see the network traffic when in the safe house bunker but it doesn't send damage information while in the bunker. You can't die. I'd like to see the traffic while inside a raid, but my game crashes and I haven't been able to run Fiddler and play in a match.

Is it possible to run Fiddler during a match?

Has anyone seen messages to the server regarding damage taken or given?

I don't want to create any traffic, just listen. Thanks."

this entire thread of people using network traffic to cheat and then being banned. Dont be a fucking idiot who ever the poster is.

[neon leaf]

don't cheat to get wiki information lol

shame on whoever did that

[quick rover]

dumbest thing i've seen here

[static sinew]

I'm pretty certain whoever posted that is also here. As Scott said, do not do that. Please don't be trying to scrape encrypted data. It's encrypted for a reason and we should respect that.

[hushed nebula]

The amount of brain cells required to do that is hilariously low

[mystic dust]

They're just smart enough to be a dumbass

[tropic matrix]

I'm dumb, but not that dumb 😂

[atomic vigil]

Just woke up and saw this. Am not that person. Only a ux/ui person myself.

If they get banned for packet sniffing, that's thier big warning to them there.

Like Orbb said, it's unethical and encrypted for a reason.

[mystic dust]

Would knowing the damage values be kinda cool? Definitely. Does that mean you should sniff traffic data and intercept encrypted files to find them?

[magic escarp]

no

[mystic dust]

Exactly

[atomic vigil]

I'm pushing for an update on the gun range:
https://ptb.discord.com/channels/949081704625209404/1105621684876222474

Upvotes to this would push it to the Devs. Maybe if we had a great gun range from the year 2042 (year the game is set in)... we could get damage readouts. More of the bad actors who try and extract data in nefarious means would stop doing that kinda thing... people who enjoy the min/max sub game would also be pleased as well.

[marble bison]

they are redoing the bunker too

[atomic vigil]

True. Be cool if we could slide in a few of these suggested features.

[marble bison]

yeah just saying if they are redoing it might aswell add it

[knotty orchid]

Ye they're definitely future proofing

[marble bison]

Tbf iirc our bunkers are from advantage edge