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Do we even know if sojourn is tracking or burst
copium strong with this take
I guess rail gun is burst
why would a hitscan not be good at her
sojourn is gonna have to have some weird/cool gimmick
or else its just gonna be a soldier/zarya clone
We have literally no idea how Soujourn will play out competitively
onigod sojourn
We can still make a general assessment that a hitscan player who historically is mechanically dominant, will be able to perform well on a new hero which happens to be hitscan
So you didn't read what I said
Neither did you then?
I agree with you on all of those points
I'm just saying
We have literally no idea how Soujourn will play out competitively
we have no idea about almost anything on ow2
new heroes are always busted, so we'll have a sojourn meta for a month and then they nerf her into the ground and she becomes a random off-pick
?
This is Blizzard M8
We can't realistically trust them with any sort of patterns
well we have had that pattern for every new hero
and our newest hero was still over 2 years ago
Sojourn left click is like soldier where it's tracking but when you deal damage with left click you charge up a rail gun right click and her ult removes the charge up temp
obviously we don't know if it's still the same or not given that we were told this like three years ago
however long ago it was
I think it was 2020 blizzconline
Sojourn has a slow and horizontal exo boots
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sleeping
camera shy prob
Probably just a diff flight
who knows
he's the 2nd coming of christ so he's walking across the water there
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FiNN was on the plane like 5 hours ago
so he should be landing in aprox 8 or so hours
and viol2t + kilo as well
hope they're safe
time to learn korean
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I think contenders will be on
uhh
who do you think will be the better Doom Tank
best*
I think it's probably gonna be a Ball players
since Doom seems to a bob and weave until they get high charge
then go in
1hr old tweet maybe u guys aren't updated well
Whats doom’s rework like?
like when you time the bubble just right then land your punches and BOOM then yeah
officially no idea but
we know he's a tank (confirmed)
and
leaks by Yiska
But did they confirm hes a tank now
Well if thats the case
He’ll probably be dva like
says he has Punch (less dmg) a type of shield that charges up the damage of Punch
and absorbs all damage
Instead of matrix they might keep the shield absorb
in it's ranger
range*
and uppercut slam are the same
but combined
with more range/dmg on slam
no idea about ult
Since the combat will probably be very fast slowing down combat would work (i think)
So its like he uppercuts and you have the option to slam?
no
combined
so you uppercut then slam with more range on slam
I think like
how balls slam takes a bit before going down
so uppercut 0.5 seconds to change direction and slam
though this is all leaks
so doom is just worse ball then
Anything on thic-soujourn?
eh
we already know her stuff
left click rapid fire charge right click beam railgun
ultimate she go fast and can spam railgun
she has hanzo leap and bap boots
Honestly if ball has changes ill be suprised
I think if bubble also charges the damage of his slam/uppercut/shots etc
he'll be good
like a ball zarya in one
slowly charge him up and move around the map for set up like ball
as your charge and absorb damage you can start to lead with aggression
until you can one shot a squishy
think of it as bobbing and weaving
go in and skim the damage until you can start to set up individual kills
But the question is will he have the mobility and not get blown up by a said widowmaker
if Doom is provided with resource he becomes a tanky as fuck actually GOOD dps
if he isn't doing his job
so he'll play exactly like ball then
Yeah, similar to ball. Disruptive
poke poke poke poke advantage found engaging proton cannons destroy
That's how I see it go
yeah but I think it'll be less "Kill mode activated" for a second
Then what the fuck is zarya’s role
its 5v5 bro
and more "Max power mode"
what zarya

so less team need Once he reaches max charge
Zarya is fuckin dead
yeah but then the fight is over and then you lose ur charge cause fight reset 
kekw
still waiting for that diem signing
I mean shit
NA Zarya's fucking dead
APAC not really
ez clappers w the quakegun
but only cause Rein/Monke
So ok zarya is dead..now whats going on with dva
easiest good tank probably
i mean we dont know the balance changes other than what weve seen so far
which is bastyon sombra orisa sojrn and doomfist
if i am not forgetting anyone else
Orisa no
leaks
again Orisa rumor
as far as we know
because they talked abt it in the ow2 stream
no real difference in playtest
So i wonder if they will just make dva a bullet sponge with area denial
if the yiska leak is right then wasnt there a team playing an OW2 workshop mode where orisa had pin? I wanna say it was paris
Since u have 3 mobile tanks
so i guess the OWL teams knew about it a lot longer than we thought before
No shit
poggers
Jake is gonna be the best Fister
cant wait for spam pings in ranked
master hog players worst nightmare
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just told an entire sub to off themselves 😌
Seoul with jjonak = championship
Creative better
just in case of 2XFS
mn3 washed
Titans with s9mm=championship. To bad they have mid eu flex dps
yea like the s2 and s3 shanghai dragons
there wasnt sojourn in s2 and s3
But what if kariv turned into titans game kariv for a whole season
and won mvp
creative ana one trick
every team diem has been on in owl has won some sort of championship
im on a high rn
the only other players to do so with 3+ years of experience:
give me a minute to think
i reported a lvl 25 3900 smurf and they got banned even though i was bullshitting
give me ideas
rascal was that until s4
unless anyone has an idea
I think diem is the only one
ever
you are counting contenders?
oh wait you counted s4 shanghai
yes
was he on the team during JJ?
no
doesn’t matter
he left end of may melee
it doesnt count he wasnt on the team when they won though
I’m choosing to count “if you were on the team the year they won”
hm
uvalo and me in shambles
so architect would be if spark had stable coaching and lige wasn’t in mental jail for jj
oh wait
s1
what are the teams that have won a title in the past 3 years
dragons, shock, vancouver, paris, charge
that's it right?
season 1 and 2
glads
dont count
not counting s4?
no no i mean like
if you want to determine who currently has never been on a team that hasnt won a title
dragons, shock, vancouver, paris, charge, glads, spitfire, nyxl, valiant have won titles at some point
they have to have at least started playing in 2019
according to the 3 years of experience
that mr mike said
they could play in s1 and retire
no
yes
thats what i meant
so really what we should be looking at is just the winners of s3
because both s1-s3 and s2-s4 have to have s3
s2 and s3 isnt 3 years
yeah but are you dumb
s2 and 3 + a 3rd year
L
i guess so
wtf are you talking about
nohill hopium
he was
i just checked liquidpedia and didnt see anything for shock in it for 2018
but shock didnt do anything 2018
cause they didnt win
so i got confused
doesnt izayaki count
he won with valiant in 2018
technically joined dragons same year in 2019
izayaki greatest player alive
7 TITLES
best player in the world
WINNINGEST PLAYER IN OWL HISTORY
no contest
is he the winnginest player?
shanghai are the most winningest team
for titles yeah
super would be just behind him at 6
he just had to say the word super
yeah call me back when shu has 7 titles
On every hero
and has never been on a team that hasnt won a title in OWL
SHU HAS WON TITLES ONLY 2 YEARS IN A ROW WITH ONLY 2 TIRLES
Results don't determine player skill
2/3 years shu has won titles
You can't call four years of play out as a fluke babes
And glads do worse
If you put any top tier FS on shd last year they have the same results tbf
Fate didn't have synergy either
wrong again
But he ended up being an upgrade
fate was w moon in s1
Ok i am.sure moon can coach shu
look at all the players moon picked up over the years
most of them are ppl he coached before
If anyone rightfully claimed fate was better than fearless in s3
They would have been called crazy
better at what lol
Results don't mean anything
best players on every role:
mt - super
ot - choi
hs - diem
fdps - rascal
ms - moth
fs - izayaki
if results dont mean anything why people competing to win
If they did taiyo would be one of the greats

ta1yo is one of the greats
Good players can be on bad teams
3 titles in 2 years
Mid players can be on good teams
Jecse isn't better than fastro
thats some title production
he gets the korean buff though
Jecse one of the few korean players who is not good
Sad
Reminder jecse rapel meko held houston back
Not greats like
Danteh
Only good player on s3 houston
best rookies each year:
s4 - develop
s3 - ta1yo, ans
s2 - viol2t, smurf
Or the orisa goat hydration
ta1yo lul
Linkzr was also bad held hou back
you're forgetting s1
best rookie s1 mano
s1 would be nyxl and london rosters
Or profit
woohyal = jjonak
No one in s1 was really a rookie
none of the london roster was rookies were they?
?
not counting apex
Also hacksal was not best rookie s2
rookie in s1 means never played in apex
but then we can’t call woohyal best rookie s1
which is funny
so amend the rule
we must know
pine played apex in 2016
so tizi jjonak
he was signed to lw blue for the prospect of an apex season 5
after season 4 iirc
so yes he counts
some nobody a random team signed to embezzle funds
Well u need los, so it's fair imo
Allows for more clear comms in high ranks
how long is it
U can just say "reaper low" and not need to call out a location
how long does the ping last
Pretty sure it lasts forever
But if u break los it turns into a question mark to indicate last known position
who breaks los?
the pinger
because if its like that widow duels are very different now
who has the better teammate that pings
if you yourself breaks los do you still see the ping
you see the question mark
idk i think its dumb
it shouldnt automatically follow the player..
i think they are trying to make it too complicated
just make it a ping
mark a location and a small notification
nothing else
yeah
u can do that scrollwheel thing wit hdifferent types of pings
but awareness is a big part even in fight where they are in your LOS
i dont think the ping should automatically track
Okay nerd
nah because then you can just have all 5 players on the enemy team constantly pinged
who knew. teammates giving out the location of the enemy widowmaker is advantageous in duels
but hes not diem
or develop
or even ta1yo
hooreg
etc
Aint no way u think taiyo aims better than onigod
ta1yo > onigod
one of the most underrated dps players ever
3 titles in 2 years
just like how izayaki is the goat
7 in 4 years
Wut titles does he have?
izayaki has 4 years of production
ta1yo?
or izayaki?
izayaki has 2018 valiant stage 4, 2019 shd stage 3, 2020 mm cc
2021 dragons 3 titles
will there ever be a year where a team gets 5 titles
Depends if owl still exist
no because countdown cup is an LCQ now
Taiyo was overrated af because of his teammates and looked mirror tier at best. Every map he played was ass

he was very clearly depressed o nstream
2 maps really determine the worth of a player bro
all i can say about taiyo was that he was a tragedy
we'll never know his real worth
Erster lul
We need a season 1 widow 1v1 tourney to see all the players whos aim aged like milk
Saya, logix, Linkzr, DreamKazper lmaoo
Saya before people realized widow will kill you if you stand in front of her was nuts
Season one he was hitting pine like highlight reels
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chatplat on hopium
ewww
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Literally just giving him aimlabs level of wide open shots lmao
sayasleeper
more like based
seoul with jjonak = shampionship
dragon busters
cap
without 
ur just not based
unlike me
avrl and the tactical crouch podcast boys agree
platchat is somewhat based now
join the based crew
you inhaling too much hopium if jjonak + seoul would beat dragons
If it were still ow1 I'd say Seoul would be cumstered but given it's a new game I think they have an actual chance
well no shit
we dont have an off tank
what are we gonna do
put tobi on off tank
u idiot
Every free agent off tank would be worse than Shanghai was my point so even if they had one it wouldn't matter
debatable
implying fate isnt gonna fuck in ow2
Choi
what keyboard is that
ive been seeing em around
shock keyboard
Can't believe I see unironic hopium from Philly fans, they signed worse jjonak, washed fury, a hitscan whose actually good but has to play with Carpe and fixa

mn3 so hot
only top tier player on philly is mn3
ans so hot
they using this one with custom keycaps https://gaming.kinesis-ergo.com/tko/
i dont like 60%
cuyo is an ad
i need function keys
I love 60-65% keebs
Use the function button and the number key then lmao
The only thing that gets annoying is remembering which layer I'm on
TKL or 75% is good for me
tytyyyyy
BRIGBRIGBRIGBRIGBRIGBRIGBRIG > pings
So I never know which layer I'm in sometimes and press like a million short cuts
man, Valiant should hire a SMM
At the moment yeah, I don't game enough to justify building my own yet. I used to but honestly working full time gaming is literally just like never in my head as a can't wait to play x game anymore like I used to
their twitter is dead af
heck with building, too lazy for that
i should have buy the version with the long right shift key
I just like switches and I already have a few mice in 3d printed shells I bought so I might as well build da board too
@next mesa
this one is annoying as heck
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Oh esports gang, I had a date yesterday and we unadded each other within like an hour of the date ending so that was a major L

imagine dating instead playing lichess
if penny performs well
i think v1 will win
but if he goes silent leaf will own da lobby
yeah
penny has been quieter
thats why im going with c9
but idk
even if penny does well leaf prob matches
🤣🤣🤣
the 3 going to iceland?
they did however we're talking about soccer as of rn
they got fucked
he does but i think
not their fault
hes been good
it was like cned was playing
ez
d3ffo been hard underperformin
but he tweeted about health issues
which is sad
his neon in OT was pretty good
i couldnt believe it
lol
what is this graphic
first players and now this??
gambit is in shambles
stocks dropped 70%
is the fking
no cap
is the fucking
is this popping up b4 round ends for u
leaf is actually so good
Blows my mind how tier 2 players can invest basically full-time hours on grinding overwatch for minimal pay. How are there even pros coming out of tendies in the first place?
probably parental support
yea
assuming most are 15-18
most smart players would just do collegiate at this point now
might as well get a cheap or even free scholarship at the same time as pursuing owl
Convinced that Australian contenders players just do that shit for fun
What’s the last day to get the sombra skin?
you wanna fuck it
Nah I just like sombra and the dragons 
Honestly her best skin
Lunar new years one >
but it's a good skin
Who is the guy on the right
They're gonna fuck fr
the drip
finn kilo and viol2t should be in LA in like 1 hour
aprox
who cares WHEN IS NYXL ANNOUNCING THEIR 6TH PLAYER
He probably got distracted by the sharks
Korea is getting fucked by an outbreak similar to what happened to the USA a few months ago
haven't caught up to the glbal pandemic news
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@cunning patrol I'm a prophet fr
wrong game
also how does anyone think that its Zanders fault
He literally carries them
yeah i wanted them to win
idk smth about leaf is offputting
I dont really like cloud9
idk maybe the team is just less likeable
or guard
Even tho i obviously want guard to win
i think were all guard fans here cause saya
The Guard is the best team easily
But I'm guessing OpTic will be a 2-1
OpTic is no joke
I forgot what a Cursed comment section looks like for OWL (2020)
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Happens to the best of us
its not an L if its mutual

That's not an L if it's mutual
Who do u guys main in overwatch
Not really mutual I just felt bad and wanted to be a normal guy and not be a loser so I just took my failure and ate it and moved on

We don't do cringe desperate male things here we move on after we fail ! 
But anyway fusion worst in apac
Power stance
did you tell her about the shanghai dragons?
3rd worst*
Nohill can’t coach Sasin Innovation and Coldest into being above bottom 5
Bold of you to assume it’s a woman
good take
charge are underrated
and valiant have nohill coldest lengsa diya
most notably nohill
owlel
stop underrating coldest
I rate coldest under nohill
nohill makes coldest top 10
I had the Coldest hype during 2021 and he got benched by MCD and proved why when he got playtime
Fusion has Chara for when FiXa flops
That automatically makes them better
Since Chara has more titles than Fastro
oh true
fusion have 1 good player and chara coming out of coach jail
fury is a 2 time title winner
making him a top 6 or something ot in the league
and once the fusion sign tizi they'll have a stacked tank line
tizi 3 titles
Wasn’t Aimgod on CC when they won contenders?
carpe is fucking dogshit tho
Or was that after?
idk
Yeah 8th best hitscan in the league last season is dogshit
wrong
molly is a top fs though
i agree
charge are stacked
rio cr0ng develop eileen molly all have titles at an owl level
develop and molly top tier
smurf choi diem rascal ljg izayaki is the all time lineup
izayaki being the best player all of alll time
Odd way of spelling TviQ
tviq has no titles
unfortunately
rascal has 7, so tied with izayaki for goat
shame
fusion had mano with 2 titles and rascal with 7
still shit the bed
mano was the 2nd best player on s4 fusion
Janus better
eh close
they both have 2 titles
so it's really really close
mano slightly edged it out for most of their careers imo
How much of that is on an individual level though?
Mano was surrounded by his top tier 2 title winning team in season 2 while Janus was stuck with Sleepy
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Owlel
OWLEL 36
Dafran is so nice he reported toxic player
What a nice person
WORLDLE
Thats so easy
Atlanta is easy
Your mother
Shut up
Why is that the comparison lol
They don’t even play close to the same roles
because everyone should be able to play all the roles
in modern counterstrike the only real roles that still exist is just who is a designated awper
you gotta be able to support/entry
Oh my god
I have almost the exact same
Wait idk how to do spoiler on mobile
@next mesa ^
No lol
its not
💀
actual 2head
lets goooo I got owlel in one 😱
Mans needs a youtube tutorial
Better than kilo s9mm sadly
^
watch kilo NOT flop
and be a really good player
s9mm may be a worse hitscan
but hes a better fdps
fuck sans
yes i would
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ratio
they are a bad team
L
cause they are EU
WHat
Losing to that poverty franchise fpx is unacceptable
FPX goated org
Why talk about EU when TGRD clears all of them
I’m putting Farway above Jjonak just to piss off Levy
izayaki
viol2t
jjonak
alarm
twilight
bdosin
shu
fielder
mmonk
jehong
prob forgetting a lot of people I might be in a comp match rn
- alarm
- viol2t
- jjonak
- shu
- twilight
- izayaki
- fielder
- mmonk
- bdosin
- jehong
swap izayaki and jjonak and this is more or less my list tbh
fair
izayaki is the goat but if I say that
I will be crucified
fuck it
Izayaki is the greatest flex support of all time.
7 titles in 4 years
ykw I agree lemme make izayaki #1
as good as rascal
izayaki has always been decent if not top tier
yes
this year he was top 3 minimum tho
Mmonk shouldn’t be here tbh
he should
Watch Alarm pov on any match and tell me he’s not playing out of his mind
also yeah mmonk should either not be on the list or be 10th
It’s all time
below jehong and bdosin
Alarm is actually the goat but izayaki is the funny goat choice
I mean who would you replace with mmonk
Izayaki 3rd I can agree with
Jjonak walked so Alarm could sprint
Wait
Jehong walked so Jjonak could run so Alarm could sprint
so that vigilante could fly?
Izayaki good pick
This list is terrible
Actually
It's decent
180
Lol
They should add a great like
Iris
Shaz(s1 s2)
Iris had one season like mmonk
And wuz better
He doesn’t deserve on an all time list
Honestly I take mmonk over iris
Enjoy
Why the hell would we wanna know when Boston plays?
Oh right, they have striker
I forgor 💀
Boston team never existed
Haha XD free win
how the fuck do they determine what is an away game and waht is a home game
live events?

Can london beat boston?
they took shock to 5 anything is possible
Actually i thought no one support Atlanta but Boston and other teams like Defiant got no fan base
boston's only fan went to valorant
@balmy wolf exists
Atlanta , shangai , sparks and mayhem got good fan base even Chengdu
chengdu fanbase
Fr lmao
you mean AMENG fanbase?
Lol
Hes Hammond is pretty good but not the best
I don't watch chengdu so idk lol but i have seen many owl chengdu skins in game
You know no one buys shangai owl skin but got good fan basee
@willow tartan do u agree bro ?
Where did u disappear ?
bap one play
His ana is top of da league and he gapped a fraud like fieldor on zen


