esports-discussion

[tacit skiff]

I think Boston's rebuild this season went really well, can't wait to see what's gonna happen for them in the off-season :)

[gusty rampart]

Absolutely not

Boston performed better but still not great

Lost against Titans

[noble nexus]

tbfffff that was a one off thing really

they played well aside from that

[trail perch]

disagree

Sp9rk1e

Shy

Profit

[vagrant cargo]

Profit aint S tier

Shy hasnt shown enough

Sp9rk1e is only S on echo doom genji

Both are nuts

[trail perch]

Shy hasnt showed enough?

Every single time he was in he was popping

[trail perch]

so the characters he plays??

He's an S tier Proj player

Also pharah

But yeah

[trail perch]

Yes he is lmao

Hes the best tracer in the world

and plays sooo many characters at the highest level

[vagrant cargo]

Ah yes because mei and tracer dont exisr anymore

Hes Not S tier on either of those

Also shy was popping vs mainly weak competition

[trail perch]

Tracer isnt a proj character and we havent seen his mei this year cause doha exists

[vagrant cargo]

U can make a case for S yeah but i wanna See more

Tracee is still a fdps hero

And ignoring his tracer performance qhen rating him as a Player in Total is weird

[trail perch]

But hes a proj player who has a good pocket tracer

I didnt say he was an S tier fdps

[vagrant cargo]

Proj Player isnt a role anymore

Hes an Fdps

[trail perch]

Blase disagrees

[vagrant cargo]

Blase is fdps too

Just a shit one

[trail perch]

Proj def is a role but whvr u say

[vagrant cargo]

Even fastro says there is no such thing as dps roles anymore

[trail perch]

Theres a reason both profit and sp9rk1e where mvp candidates

You dont get that by not being elite

[vagrant cargo]

Eileen was a canditate too last year

[trail perch]

Yeah he was an elite player

[vagrant cargo]

And profit did not deserve it over fits or void

[trail perch]

A top 2 genji in the world

Insane doom

[vagrant cargo]

He still didnt deserve a nomination over hanbin

[north relic]

hanbin did get a nomination

[trail perch]

Thats a very subjective statement

[vagrant cargo]

Who else Was it then

Who disnt get it

CR0NG

[trail perch]

"deserving" a nomination

Chr0ng was nominated last year

lmao

[vagrant cargo]

If u wanna go by shit like that then i just pull out stats

[trail perch]

Im just saying

Eileen was amazing all season

Won his team the summer showdown

[vagrant cargo]

Eileen was great yeaz

[trail perch]

was one of the best genjis in the world

literally top 2

[vagrant cargo]

But im talking abt profit

[trail perch]

Yeah profit this year

was amazing

the best tracer

[vagrant cargo]

Profit didnt deserve a mvp nomination over fits

[trail perch]

Went 100% every single game

[noble nexus]

feel like I'm watching two cavemen fight over a piece of meat or some shit

[vagrant cargo]

Profit wasnt amazing most of the time

[trail perch]

His echo was much improved

His mei was good

[vagrant cargo]

Profit mei good 😭😭😭😭

[trail perch]

He was an elite player.

[earnest leaf]

Race to see who has more bad takes

[trail perch]

It is lmao

[vagrant cargo]

Sure bro

[trail perch]

Maybe back in 2019 it wasnt

But tis 2021 now

[vagrant cargo]

It wasnt in 2020 either or this szb

[trail perch]

and profit can play mei very well

[vagrant cargo]

He plays her way to aggro most of the time

[trail perch]

Not everyone is rascal

[vagrant cargo]

Hes A tier not S tier

[trail perch]

Some players are more aggressive than others

[noble nexus]

they're trying to outdo each other's brainlessness

[vagrant cargo]

Yes and? Doesnt make it good

[trail perch]

Profit is an aggresive amazing platyer

He just has a different style

His team also wasnt the most suited to that style

[vagrant cargo]

So amazing thag He isnt even the best dps on his own team and couldnt even keep up w carpe 😭

[trail perch]

Someone like anamo doesnt fit an aggresive playstyle

[vagrant cargo]

On tracer

[trail perch]

One game KekW

[vagrant cargo]

I mean He also got tracer diffed by rascal in their first matxh

But whatever

[trail perch]

So 2 matches?

Reminder that seoul only lost 4 regular season games

[vagrant cargo]

Yes and reminder profit did prwtty horrid in all of them

And also didnt do shit on hawaii

[trail perch]

Thats just false lmao

[vagrant cargo]

It isnt

Mfs mei literally lost them the series to Atlanta

[trail perch]

You cant even say that he did pretty horrid on all of them then says he's an A tier player

is he shit or is he just great

[vagrant cargo]

He had horrid moments

Way to often

While the otver Players i listed except lip didnt

Lip was only meh in cc when shd didnt try

So i give him Benefit of the doubt

[trail perch]

LiP had some of the worst emps in mei melee

Then cleaned his shit up

[vagrant cargo]

Yeah but he also hardpopped on hard hs consistently every game

[trail perch]

yeah lip was amazing ngl

He really surprised me this year

I knew he was great on sombra

But he really just flexed this year

[vagrant cargo]

Me too because he finally becane as good as everyone said on hard hs

[trail perch]

Cree, Ashe, even tracer

like god damn

[vagrant cargo]

Last year he was kinda boosted by SHD as a whole like he didnt get nearly as muxh value as he should last szn

But this season

Goddamn

[trail perch]

yeah

if leave didnt exist

LiP for MVP

Also i think it would be so funny if pelican doesnt win rookie of the year

I think sooo many ppl would mald

So now begins my skewed for rookie of the year campaign

Sign now to see atlanta fans mald

[plush grail]

bruh

shit takes in here

[noble nexus]

trueee

[vagrant cargo]

Its quite funny how the ppl that always say shit like that always make the worst arguments for their takes

[kind ridge]

when are the next matches?

[next mesa]

Bro but wtf was profit supposed to do on mei

Coach diff

I literally don't know how changoon still has a job after last season

[vagrant cargo]

Idk maybe not waste ever Single cooldown

Or maybe not play out of Position everytime

[earnest leaf]

tuesday

[plush grail]

says u

ur arguments SUCK

[noble nexus]

trueee

[vagrant cargo]

Yeah man sure

Then tell me why

Shouldnt be to hard to debunk them if they suck :^)

[noble nexus]

your arguments do suck tbf

[vagrant cargo]

Gimme examples

[noble nexus]

ok

[vagrant cargo]

Still waitin

[noble nexus]

cool

👍

[sick locust]

can i play comp with me friend that plays at ps5 if no when does crossplay ranked come ?

[raw ermine]

you can't play comp cross platform, if thats what your asking. It's not going to every come, as it's fundamentally unbalanced

[sick locust]

so we need to wait 46 days 😦

[raw ermine]

46?

[sick locust]

then ranked season is over

[vagrant cargo]

I assume his fruend gets his PC

Nvm

[kind ridge]

when do they reveal mvp

[trail perch]

LJG bad mercy

Clown

[vagrant cargo]

So this again?

Aight

For context: we where talking about last seasons playoffs where LJG hard threw on mercy it was pre S4

I explained how his positioning and his decision making sucked and u said Look at stats

Yet his stats werent impressive

He was statisticaly worse than FDGod LMFAO on mercy just showing that stats w out context dont mean anythint

[trail perch]

Yeah but ur wrong L

[vagrant cargo]

Ur still bitter to this day abt that take yet u cant even find any valid argument against that

[willow tartan]

oh you mean for the playoffs?

[vagrant cargo]

LJG mercy is great now

Yeah

[trail perch]

LJG being the best main support in the world

[vagrant cargo]

LAST season

[trail perch]

he was good then, it was just double sniper

[vagrant cargo]

He is now the best MS yeah

[willow tartan]

well i think you can just say that he had bad games for the playoffs.

[vagrant cargo]

??? 😭😭😭

[trail perch]

Playing mercy into double sniper is fucking hell

also yeah sample size

[willow tartan]

itd be wrong to say he's a bad mercy overall

[trail perch]

3 games =/= shit mercy

[vagrant cargo]

Yeah and? Doesnt change that his mercy Was bad for playoffs

[trail perch]

I was arguing that he was the best main support in s3

mr NTB said his mercy sucked

I was like no it didnt

[vagrant cargo]

He wasnt great on mercy before playoffs either and we were talking abt playoffs

[trail perch]

then NTB only talked about playoffs

Nope i was talking about whole season

[vagrant cargo]

Because that was litetally the only time He rlly played her

Against top tier competition

[trail perch]

cause my arg was ljg was the best ms

[vagrant cargo]

He barely played mercy before

Last season He wasnt

He fed way to often on lucio and on mercy when he had to play more mercy

[vagrant cargo]

Yes

His bap and mercy were ass last season

[willow tartan]

ljg bap moment

[vagrant cargo]

Mans literally Flanked windowed and died or wasted lamp off cooldown

[willow tartan]

i mean tbh they didnt play too much bap/mercy (dragons)

[vagrant cargo]

Yeah

And when he did He looked bad on them

He was the third besr lucio and the best Brig

[trail perch]

me citing whole season

NTB only playoffs

[trail perch]

sounds like someone changed their mind

[vagrant cargo]

I take back the.top 3 lucio take

[trail perch]

Your take was FD>LJG

[willow tartan]

ehh, i mean that's just personal opinion

[vagrant cargo]

Yes

Last season that was true

He was a better lucio and a better bap

[willow tartan]

it's pretty hard to rank players and how good/bad they are on certain heroes.

[vagrant cargo]

Both sucked on mercy but his brig could keep up

[willow tartan]

I personally didn't think he was bad.

[vagrant cargo]

Also u saying he had a top tier mercy is embarrassing

[willow tartan]

maybe not top tier but I don't remember seeing matches and thinking "man that guy is losing shanghai games"

[vagrant cargo]

Also id send screens too if i had the perms for that

[willow tartan]

you can

embeds are enabled

[trail perch]

nah u need regular

i think

[vagrant cargo]

Fr?

[willow tartan]

yes for real

[vagrant cargo]

W

Finally

[willow tartan]

is this your evidence why ljg is a bad ms

[trail perch]

This was NTBs stats

[vagrant cargo]

Yes

[trail perch]

He played a solid 5 hours of mercy

[next mesa]

Ljg mercy wasn't that good last season that's true though

[vagrant cargo]

This mf tryna tell me how to rate mercy players

After that statement

That was ur answer on how him feeding isnt important

[willow tartan]

is ljg mercy so bad to you that you consider him a bad MS in s3?

[next mesa]

No

[willow tartan]

i just think that notion is pretty ridiculous

[trail perch]

now if you wanna see some real bad takes

randos in justice cord

[willow tartan]

bebe top 3 ana

[next mesa]

I didn't say that I just know that his mercy like wasn't anything special

[willow tartan]

no thats what NTB is saying

[trail perch]

His mercy was quite good

[vagrant cargo]

I didnt call him.bad tho

Thats the thing

[next mesa]

Ohh

[vagrant cargo]

I considered him incredibly overrated but.not bad

[next mesa]

Ljg is the best MS this season by far no capp

[willow tartan]

then i have no idea what you're trying to say

[vagrant cargo]

I said hes a top 5 Lucio and a top 2 brig or something like that

In hindsight je was a top 3 lucio

My point Was just that he wasnt the best MS last season

[next mesa]

He's like top 3 at the least

[vagrant cargo]

Due to his shit mercy and ba9

Bap

This season He is easily the best

[trail perch]

NTB rated him lower than fd overall

[next mesa]

Well it was moth and then ljg

[vagrant cargo]

Like there is no Contender

[willow tartan]

yeah there isnt really a contest atm

[next mesa]

That I disagree

His bap

[trail perch]

nisha early season

ig

[vagrant cargo]

FDGod was a better lucio and a better mercy bap

And a top tier brig too

[next mesa]

When did ljg and FD play bap

[vagrant cargo]

S3

[trail perch]

FD just wasnt a better lucio

tho

[willow tartan]

Bap/zen was prevalent remember?

[vagrant cargo]

LJG bap swas so shit

FDGod was indeed better

[trail perch]

And his brig was average-good

[vagrant cargo]

Fed way less

His brig was absolutely insane in summershowdown

[trail perch]

His brig wasnt top tier tho

It wasnt alarm ljg twilight level

[plush grail]

ur all so dumb

ur takes

So bad

Ow

[trail perch]

shut up paris fan

[willow tartan]

youre irrelevant

[trail perch]

!!luigi

[vagrant cargo]

Also

[trail perch]

Yeah Friday cracked

[vagrant cargo]

I dont wanna hear shit ever again

[willow tartan]

yo fuck friday

[trail perch]

Ima stand by that

[next mesa]

😆

[trail perch]

Friday mad underrated

[next mesa]

Friday dude

[vagrant cargo]

Friday is literally the Definition of no impact or negative impact

He does nothing or feeds ocasionaly

[willow tartan]

friday exists

[trail perch]

This was like the middle of june joust

So NYXL was not getting rolled

and in their losses

[vagrant cargo]

He legit diffed viol2t on brig

[trail perch]

friday never died first

[vagrant cargo]

Friday was still doing air

[trail perch]

The main support game was sooo up in the air at that time

The entire ranking system was wack

[willow tartan]

ranking system?

[trail perch]

Spark where the best in apac at that time

I mean like rankings in general

it was quite early on

[plush grail]

nice fail

[vagrant cargo]

Doesnt matter still shit take

[trail perch]

so it was hard to tell who was beter than who

[willow tartan]

did anyone seriously think spark were better than dragons in jj

[trail perch]

I mean spark 3-0ed them

[plush grail]

Me

[vagrant cargo]

Faith Skewed/Moth nisha yveltal LJG Tobi existed

[trail perch]

so i would assume so

[vagrant cargo]

It wasnt hard to rank them

If u got a brain

[willow tartan]

yeah and hunters 3-0'd them previous stage

[trail perch]

Faith??

Yveltal wasnt playing

LJG looked average in regular season

Skewed was not yet fucking insane

[vagrant cargo]

Faith is nuts

[trail perch]

and tobi was just not throwing

[vagrant cargo]

Also skewed was literally insane off the bat

What are u saying

[trail perch]

tobi wasnt like popping

[vagrant cargo]

He was pounding in JJ

Tobi was great

And LJG was alreafy easily the best MS

[trail perch]

I dont think you watched the same owl as everyone else

lmao

[vagrant cargo]

??

Skewed literally carried in junejousr already

[trail perch]

cause this was coming off of glads being average

and shanghai gettting 3-0ed

[vagrant cargo]

4-0 stage=average

Ok

[trail perch]

playins dummy

[willow tartan]

you put too much value

[vagrant cargo]

Shanghai had one bad game that doesnt excuse shit like friday top 5 Lol

[willow tartan]

hangzhou going 4-0 was a result in them being able to 1trick a comp where shy can be comfortable on the hitscan

[vagrant cargo]

Also

Its called june joust

Not Juli joust

And that was late july

So ur just a liar rn

As usual 😴

[trail perch]

there is 0 way i said that in cc

or in ss

Unless i was on some other crack

[vagrant cargo]

Except the date isnt liying

Its ok ur takes just shit

[trail perch]

Oh yeah then yeah no clown on me then

yeah i deserve it all

I thought that was a different time nvm

[trail perch]

also where r u from lol where they say juli

and not july

[willow tartan]

the month of juli is named after gaius julius caesar

[trail perch]

So italy?

[vagrant cargo]

Germany

[plush grail]

gayus

[vagrant cargo]

But im russian

[plush grail]

Who asked

[trail perch]

Yay more euros

[vagrant cargo]

Ur below average girlfriend

[willow tartan]

wtf man leave her out of this

she's perfectly average for ian

[plush grail]

still have a gf

[vagrant cargo]

So do i

L

[willow tartan]

brb bribing washington justice to sign me as their flex support so i can play ow2

[north relic]

didnt shy mostly play echo

[young fractal]

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[tropic herald]

Saw talk about LJG Bap

Only real ones remember

Eichenwalde Second v Guangzhou

[mortal abyss]

How ur memory so specific

Prolly cause u a real one

[tropic herald]

https://youtu.be/T8hCpJ7dUOw

It’s in here

[mortal abyss]

Oki

[willow tartan]

echo and hitscan

his two best heroes

[north relic]

when we getting shy genji

[north relic]

inside leejaegons head is all kfc orange juice

[sullen berry]

Something only Bonnie would do

[trail perch]

Why where rookies all good at echo this year

Shy

Pelican

Feath3r

ummm

Who else?

Naga

Valentine

[tropic herald]

It’s the clip at 1m

I don’t remember Feather being that good at echo

[willow tartan]

not all

[hot onyx]

Unironically an upgrade

[north relic]

rascal became bad at echo to make rookies better

[trail perch]

fair enough

Is it just me or is rascal kinda washed?

It might be philly doing philly things

but EQO just looks like a stronger player

fucking hell even carpe looks like a stronger flex player

Is carpe a hyperflex now?

That just hit me

he plays the tracer hanzo cree ashe widow genji mei?

and doom

[tepid ibex]

Can’t forget torb

[next mesa]

Bro he hasn't played Genji since 2017

[trail perch]

he played genji this year...

like literally like a month ago

[north relic]

carpe genji insane

[next mesa]

Dont remember

[vagrant cargo]

I remember him getting fullheld by NYXL

[north relic]

s1 nyxl tho

[willow tartan]

OWL not ready to see my revolutionary DPS ana gameplay

[hot onyx]

June Joust Qualifiers Numbani 1st point attack vs New York Excelsior

[hot onyx]

Maybe not but I am ready

[willow tartan]

its nearly time...

[willow tartan]

you dont need this flow chart for reign

"Do you think all the other teams are bots?" should be its own section for atl

[sullen berry]

it's scary accurate

[north relic]

guess im a glads fan now

[sullen berry]

there exists only one pure East Division question - Chaos Hunters or the Curated Dragons?

[willow tartan]

lawful evil vs chaotic evil

[noble nexus]

as you should be king

[north relic]

hmm

is there any hunters fans in ed i cant think of one

i can think of the other 7 playoff teams though

[willow tartan]

there are justice fans?

i dont think we have a representative for every team in the playoffs

[north relic]

I counted essenzhou

[willow tartan]

thats the spark simp

[north relic]

who also thinks justice wins gf

[willow tartan]

he's joking

[barren quest]

Me

[willow tartan]

your main team is hunters?

[barren quest]

Yes

[north relic]

Is your pfp a cdh skin

[barren quest]

Correct

[willow tartan]

cause shock is mr "shock wont drop a map" dink, fusion is fusion stan sans, glads is verbose jack, reign is marbel, dragons is ed mod

i dont think we have any justice or fuel fans

as like their main team that they support

[north relic]

Main team yes

I counted levy for Dallas ig

[willow tartan]

he is dallas?...

[north relic]

Yes marbel doesn’t need any extra explaining

[north relic]

He is rooting for Dallas since Seoul died

[willow tartan]

Right so if my mathematics are right

neither dallas nor justice will win cause neither of them have ED supporters

[north relic]

You’re Asian right

[willow tartan]

yes

[north relic]

I trust your math then

[willow tartan]

winner will be whichever team's fans shitpost the most in this channel

so probably atlanta cause all marbel is made up of is bad takes

[north relic]

Probably marbel

Also Luigi

Since Luigi is a diehard reign fan

[willow tartan]

shitpost so hard that paris are back in the playoffs

[north relic]

Let’s say paris make playoffs

Who do they sign

[willow tartan]

Top of korean contenders

They'll beat justice and reign

[north relic]

Are other owl players allowed?

[willow tartan]

or well... one of them

sure they can sign other owl players

technically trades arent allowed but if a player got dropped from a roster they could get signed to paris

[north relic]

Hmm I don’t see shy or profit leaving anytime soon

[willow tartan]

so yeah

top of korean contenders

they might not come dead last

[noble nexus]

"verbose jack"

[north relic]

Imagine being a contenders player and you suddenly have to play owl playoffs

[noble nexus]

SMH

[willow tartan]

and make money

minimum salary is 50k so thats literally 50k for 4 days of play

plus 8th place get another 50k in prize money at as the minimum

[north relic]

Would the 50k prize money go to actual paris players

[willow tartan]

so between 6 players thats like almost 60k for 4 days

[willow tartan]

Depends on contract

i think theres a minimum prize money requirement

[young fractal]

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[raw ermine]

https://twitter.com/SFShock/status/1439424918957948931

San Francisco Shock (@SFShock)

3k likes and we uncensor the hair

Twitter · Sep 19, 2021, 3:03 AM

like it

[gusty rampart]

Was about to post the link as well

[next mesa]

.

Bruh

[tropic herald]

Look at the 4K like goal

😳

[gusty rampart]

Boys

Play Offs are close

[next mesa]

Indeed

[sullen berry]

SFShock fans with a passion to see his ugly mo

[worn falcon]

Ta1yo only 1 game this season

[next mesa]

He's gonna play in the grand finals

Finals mvp

[plush grail]

shock has NO CHANCE at winning

[young fractal]

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[plush grail]

also no

[hot onyx]

No they don’t

[vagrant cargo]

No this szn

[hot onyx]

Winning the whole playoffs neither team has a chance but Fusion 100% have more potential to make a deeper run than Shock

Hopium??

Mate mate mate

With every ounce of due respect

You are living in the past

You have your calendar set to 2019

Yes Fusion are inconsistent

Yes if they drop the ball they fuckin’ suck

But it’s near unfair to constantly place them low because they “drop the ball sometimes”

“They’re still the 2-time back-to-back OWL champions” yeah dude you’re living in the present

You make a fair point

And everyone is allowed an opinion since esports-discussion isn’t chinese

It’s not even the changed pieces that I have a problem with, Glister and Nero are great and FDGod is unnecessarily hated

But the team as a whole has dropped off and other teams are catching up

They didn’t make Hawaii once before playoffs

Constantly lost to Outlaws

Map 5’d by London

Flex supports on main support

Known comms issues

And a rein otp that tilts when his shield takes damage

Lmoa

If you can give me a reason more valid than “two time champion fellows” then I’ll probably buy

The fact that Philly dropped a map to Valiant and Shock dropped 2 map to London

Strength of schedule exists

Does the hopium go far enough to place Shock in grand finals?

You are throwing away 10k

You are actually taking 10G’s and throwing it into the shredder

ATL has Pelican in LA now

Idk how that makes his ping situation

But I chose to believe it makes it good

They’re far too inflexible to beat Glads Hunters Fusion and Fuel

Chengdu is a team that could drop the ball

So is Glads

At least when you take Dpei into account

Honestly Shock only win it all if Fusion Glads and Hunters drop the ball, Dallas and Dragons stay in their Countdown Cup form, Atlanta don’t have Pelican playing on a comfortable frame rate/ping rate and if Justice plays like Justice

There’s still 5 other teams

But we’re all allowed a little hopium

[vagrant cargo]

The team that is most likely to drop their pasta is philly out of zhose 3

[balmy wolf]

how tf is atlanta the worst team now?

they fixed pelicans ping issue, we are about to roll

[vagrant cargo]

Atl just washed

Sad!

[balmy wolf]

?????

[vagrant cargo]

Gator? Boomed
Hawk? Overrated
Kai?british
Masaa? Feeder
Iris? Bap otp 🥱🥱🥱

[balmy wolf]

pelican good tho👍

[vagrant cargo]

Pelican goat

[balmy wolf]

kevster goat

[vagrant cargo]

I think atl are like 4th or 6tg

Th*

Somewhere around there

[balmy wolf]

id rate them 4th

[vagrant cargo]

4th is fair

[balmy wolf]

behind glads hunters and dragons

[vagrant cargo]

I have glads fuel dragons hunters and shock above them but i can see why u would put them 4th

There is a real possibility fuel and shock just peak again but if they dont atl>

[balmy wolf]

shock boomed fuel bad

[vagrant cargo]

W

Also Chengdu above glads

[balmy wolf]

ur bad

[vagrant cargo]

Huh?

If glads didnt lose focus it would have been a 4-1 final tbh

[balmy wolf]

ball meta

[vagrant cargo]

Fearless off rein/Winston 😹😹😹

[balmy wolf]

truuuue

it was ball meta before

[vagrant cargo]

Then why is Chengdu above glads

[balmy wolf]

and they buffed ball

so idk

[vagrant cargo]

And in rush meta Atlanta took fuel to 5

And fuel have been on a decline

Idk i think leave is the best Player in OWL w void

But i dont think He alone can beat glads

Couldnt do it

The first 2 times

How

Iza is cracked but not the best Player imo

[balmy wolf]

shu better fs

[vagrant cargo]

Also shu viol2t when hes on alarm are all comparable w iza imo

And even if not better

Id take shu on bap and ana

Vuol2t alarm on Zen and alarm on ana

[tawdry hamlet]

Id take iza zen shu bap alarm ana

But iza is really good at bap too

Violet when he was on was best bap in the world

[balmy wolf]

yes

[vagrant cargo]

Shu is crazy on ana

[balmy wolf]

not on bap

[vagrant cargo]

Also yeah hes Not a top 2 bap

And not a top 2 moira

[balmy wolf]

hes behind kaan and iris aswell

and fielder

yes

[tawdry hamlet]

So are Dallas flex support close to the top 3 or are they just never talked about

[balmy wolf]

trueeee

truuuue

so bad

[tawdry hamlet]

Like whenever top flex support is talked about it's always alarm iza violet shu twilight where tf Fielder at

[balmy wolf]

yeah

[balmy wolf]

thats just wrong

fielder is getting megahyped

when dallas is doing good

[tawdry hamlet]

Fielder ana 🙏

[balmy wolf]

watson dropped the sponsorship

guess they dont update it

[willow tartan]

Gigachad LIP still above every other DPS

[hot onyx]

Too high

Frontline lucio works 2/10% of the time every time it cannot fail

[willow tartan]

Don't worry dragons are playing against bad teams that can't punish ljg

[tawdry hamlet]

Fdgod is going to come in and roll

[mortal abyss]

If fusion don’t win I just want shanghai to obliterate everyone and everything

They deserve it

[worthy void]

im surprised ljg doesnt get punished sometimes lol

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[north relic]

philly does have the highest chance of failing but i think they also have the highest peak

[willow tartan]

really?

i think justice and reign will fall off since they only play one comp really well

[vagrant cargo]

No way philly have a higher peak than shock fuel glads Shanghai or Chengdu

[north relic]

they probably do but its hidden away in the core of mars

[willow tartan]

peak philly would beat peak shock

chengdu too arguably

[light ridge]

Dallas fuel is the best ow team

[trail perch]

Viol2t isn’t at that level this year, idk why he’s still in this convo

[next mesa]

Fuel peak better than any peak

[north relic]

fuel peak requires monkey rein

orisa ball has been stronger lately right

[balmy wolf]

thats really funny considering apac being a dive onetrick region while these teams had good results on every comp

but u can have ur opinion its just obviously wrong

and dont worry

[vagrant cargo]

ppl just have a hard on for apac

when apac only has 2 good teams imo

[balmy wolf]

if i talk about apac i dont include shanghai, everyone knows they can play every comp

[vagrant cargo]

^

[balmy wolf]

yep

[vagrant cargo]

shanghai is the only top tier apac team in any meta

while NA has 4 good teams out of 5 that could have qualified

[balmy wolf]

i mean na had pretty good results considering we had a dive meta the whole season

[night lotus]

fusion >

[balmy wolf]

ppl sucking on hunters when ball is being played for ages

leave is the mvp but they are the least flexible team in the owl

[north relic]

hunters can go orisa and monkey

[balmy wolf]

hunters are meh on orisa

and monkey is dive

[north relic]

if ball and monkey are both dive how come dallas cant play both

i would say dallas is the least flexible in playoffs

[balmy wolf]

cause fearless is bad at ball

what

[north relic]

would you say reign can go dive

[balmy wolf]

yes

[north relic]

has iris played ana at all this season

[balmy wolf]

they arent the best dive team

prob the worst on monke

yes

iris ana was great

[vagrant cargo]

iris ana was good

[next mesa]

I thought it was consensus that NA was the stronger region

realistically apac only had 4 good teams and 2 of them were inconsistent

also I think its fine if you one trick ball if ball is the strongest comp

[balmy wolf]

sure

[next mesa]

https://www.reddit.com/r/Competitiveoverwatch/comments/pr4ox4/pine_arrives_in_hawaii_dbz_parody/ fucking gold

[north relic]

statisically 50% of apac is good

[next mesa]

but theres more "good teams" in NA

[north relic]

what would classify as a "good team"

[north relic]

do you count houston or defiant as good teams

[balmy wolf]

thx mister time traveler

[next mesa]

like outlaws can probably slap charge around

[balmy wolf]

as good as seoul

[next mesa]

Honestly I put seoul around justice level

[balmy wolf]

so prob yes

yeah

[north relic]

would you count defiant though

[next mesa]

defiant is like a maybe

[balmy wolf]

defiant dive onetricks

bad team

[north relic]

so "good" NA teams are shock, justice, glads, fuel, reign, houston

which is also 50%

[balmy wolf]

aspire heesu good

[next mesa]

but its not really the ratio

its more the number

[north relic]

yea it isnt

but NA have more teams so ofc they have more good teams

so its more of the overall quality isnt it

[next mesa]

well kinda like last year

where

in the west u only had shock and philly

wtf am i saying

but yeah they have more good teams

[north relic]

paris were decent

[next mesa]

yeah mayhem too

paris peaked 1 tourney

although they got semis in cc which isnt bad

[north relic]

mayhem peaked like mm

[next mesa]

and then sparkle's sombra just no

[north relic]

where they got 2nd

[devout path]

LOL

[next mesa]

THANK YOU

That videos fucking pog

Although ATL as Krillin OOOOPP

[raw ermine]

tbh I thought when you said "although" and "Krillin" you were talking about the old london spitfire players, not the word and character

[hot onyx]

Hey would you look at that

Pickems works now

[north relic]

reported for spam

[hot onyx]

Mobile is a bitch I’m sorry

Now roast my choices

[tepid ibex]

Extreme fusion copium

[north relic]

i can pass fusion beating glads

my favorite part is that sans isnt having any of that shock shit

[gusty rampart]

No

[hot onyx]

Shock copium is much worse

[gusty rampart]

About to make ratioing a thing on Discord to ratio your ass

[hot onyx]

You ain’t ready for monke mode

[noble nexus]

would rather see the fusion copium than the shock copium

tbf

[gusty rampart]

Shock didn't get beat by some bottom teams

Fusion were beat by NYXL twice

[hot onyx]

I have enough faith in Rush to make Dallas only play what they’re good at since it’s viable instead of forcing ball and double shield

[gusty rampart]

A bunch of rookies

[hot onyx]

Summer Showdown vs The London Spitfire

[gusty rampart]

Still beat them

https://tenor.com/view/gigachad-chad-gif-20773266

[hot onyx]

Still lost 2 maps to a winless team

[vagrant cargo]

fusion copium gotta b the funniest shit ever

[gusty rampart]

Fusion lost a map to Valiant

[vagrant cargo]

fusion peak was what

[gusty rampart]

A winless team

[vagrant cargo]

playing shanghai when shanghai werent even that dominant close

they havent beaten a single top tier team

[gusty rampart]

True

[hot onyx]

Chengdu

[vagrant cargo]

chengdu in maylee?

[next mesa]

Good shit baby

[vagrant cargo]

the chengdu that lost to mayhem?

lol

chengdu werent top tier that stage

just the third best in apac

[hot onyx]

Dude Mayhem was a good team in MM

[north relic]

ill have you know nyxl made knockouts more times than shock!11!!!!111!

[vagrant cargo]

yes but mayhem werent top tier

good isnmt top tier

[gusty rampart]

I love NYXL but they made a stage due to pure luck of KOs

[hot onyx]

At the time I would argue Mayhem was a high tier team while everyone was getting it figured out

[gusty rampart]

Mayhem was top tier

[vagrant cargo]

they got lucky that justice just shat the bed in play ins tbh

[gusty rampart]

OGE messed up their standings

[hot onyx]

I just can’t get my head around how people have more hope in Shock than Fusion

[vagrant cargo]

shock have played glads ultra close and have a more talented roster

[hot onyx]

“Guys we’ve done nothing other than a good regular season but we beat Defiant and took Glads to map 5 last tourney, we’re surely going to win it all”

[vagrant cargo]

philly hasnt done anything impressive all season

[gusty rampart]

Shock has beaten almost everyone in play offs

[vagrant cargo]

past may melee

shock also finished first in NA no?

while fusion barely made it

[hot onyx]

Go watch the VOD and tell me that it wasn’t Glads playing bad when Shock won 2 maps

[gusty rampart]

Fusion made it cus Dynasty bad

[noble nexus]

I have more faith in the shock than philly but that's just because I have absolutely no faith in philly

[vagrant cargo]

also toronto is easily around the level of seoul and spark and shock curbstomped them

[gusty rampart]

Same

[vagrant cargo]

while philly struggled a decent amount vs both

[vagrant cargo]

glads didnt even play bad shock just outplayed them

[hot onyx]

I would rate Defiant considerably lower than Seoul on any non rush comp

[young fractal]

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[vagrant cargo]

nah no way defiant played atl ultra close in cc while seoul got beaten tf up by atlanta

seoul arent good

[hot onyx]

I know they aren’t

Neither is Defiant

[vagrant cargo]

defiant are decent

decent>mediocre

[gusty rampart]

Their tanks kinda suck

[vagrant cargo]

u mean defiant?

cuz i disagree

[hot onyx]

I just think Fusion are on a more upward trajectory

[vagrant cargo]

sado is good he just has 0 healing

[gusty rampart]

Sado kind of a monkey 1 trick

[vagrant cargo]

and glads arent?

glads legit won cc bro

[vagrant cargo]

i beg to differ

[gusty rampart]

Michelle gravs are insanely funny to watch

[vagrant cargo]

i watched a lot of his pov

he just has 0 support

[hot onyx]

I can see Glads having a downfall tbh

Dpei exists

[gusty rampart]

Definitely

[vagrant cargo]

michelle is either busy being hyperaggro or peeling for his feeding supports

defiant backline is by far their worst part

sado has great mechanics and good decision making usualy+a good heropool

[next mesa]

Michelle is kinda nice

[vagrant cargo]

nothing u can do w 0 healing

[hot onyx]

Michelle had one good game vs Justice and the rest of the time he proved why he got benched for a main tank

[vagrant cargo]

eh

he also pounded vs mayhem

did good in all of may melee

hes just inconsistent

but inconsistent doesnt cut it for OT in OWL anymore sadly

[gusty rampart]

Defiant vs Paris
Kings Row
He shat the bed for 2 gravs

[vagrant cargo]

so i think he goes to contenders

rlly a shame considering how talented he was

S2 michelle was so cracked

[hot onyx]

https://youtube.com/clip/UgyaN9NRwR80leqtpu94AaABCQ yeppers

[vagrant cargo]

anyways

glads can also just outmechanic fusion

they are better on every position except backline where it is even

[hot onyx]

Normally I agree

But hopium

[vagrant cargo]

but i think shu and sjewed/moth can do more due to more space

and team diff

[hot onyx]

I think they’re evenly matched

Remember sHockWave plays for Fusion

And Dpei coaches Glads

[tropic herald]

Glads is just better fusion

[hot onyx]

Yes they are

But

Upsets have been known to happen

[noble nexus]

well in that case

justice win gf gg

upsets do happen guys

!!

[hot onyx]

Listen listen

[gusty rampart]

https://youtube.com/clip/UgyPSc3urlQ-FFdGIFJ4AaABCQ

[hot onyx]

Jack

[noble nexus]

delusion

[hot onyx]

Justice get 3rd

Because that would prevent SHOCK BEATING SHANGHAI IN THE GRAND FINALS BABYYY

[gusty rampart]

We really don't know what will happen between Shock v Shanghai

[tropic herald]

Shanghai will pulverize them

[noble nexus]

probably yeah

[gusty rampart]

It'll be 2-3 I bet

[tropic herald]

Teams Shock got smoked by that Shanghai then whipped

Number One: Atlanta

Number Two: Dallas

[hot onyx]

I do

[gusty rampart]

Shanghai kept teaching Reign their place

In the dirt

[tropic herald]

Number Three: Florida

Wait

Florida sucks

[gusty rampart]

WHAT DO YOU MEAN

Their first meet was 2-3

[hot onyx]

Number 4 Defiant WHICH SHOCK BEAT SO THAT MEANS ITS THREEPEAT TIME BABYYYY

[tropic herald]

Yeah but they never got a second chance

[gusty rampart]

Second was a 3-0 after an exhausting 3-2 against Hunters

[tropic herald]

Guys Shock 3-0 Defiant and Shanghai has yet to 3-0 Defiant this season so I think Shock is better than Shanghai

[gusty rampart]

True

Shock beat Titans

And Shanghai hasn't

[hot onyx]

Yeah but

[noble nexus]

I think that's enough of ed for today

[tropic herald]

Then again, Shock hasn’t ever beaten Chengdu, or Philly, but Shanghai has

[noble nexus]

y'all are wildin rn

[hot onyx]

If Shanghai beat Titans two years ago they can do it agane

[tropic herald]

Dding > Haksal

[gusty rampart]

Getting ready to watch Shock hopefully stomp Philly into an afterlife

[hot onyx]

Dink

[gusty rampart]

Fusion Fan Sans

[hot onyx]

If Shock don’t go 0-2 in the playoffs you can change my name and pfp to anything (non nsfw) for a week

[gusty rampart]

Bet

[hot onyx]

But same bet for if Fusion don’t go 0-2

[north relic]

so what we thinking boys

[noble nexus]

they aren't thinking

[north relic]

sans turn into a shock fan?

[noble nexus]

they're shock and philly fans

they don't think

[gusty rampart]

Bet

[hot onyx]

It’s not about the money dink it’s about the bets the bets baby come on let’s get a home run baby love the bets let’s go bets

[vagrant cargo]

shockwave is not even close to birdring

and dpei hasnt been that shit this szn hes okay

glads have good macro etc their main weakness was mental which they have seemed to fic

fix

[hot onyx]

Yeah but this is owl

[vagrant cargo]

bruh

[noble nexus]

nah bro upsets happen so glads lose

[hot onyx]

8th seed finishes 8th 7th seed finishes 7th 6th seed finishes 6th 5th seed finishes 5th 4 seed finishes 4th 3rd seed finishes 3rd 2nd seed finishes 2nd and 1st seed wins grand finals

Logical right?

[vagrant cargo]

there is just no logical argument for philly>glads

[hot onyx]

Fuck you Justice wins grand finals

[vagrant cargo]

just admit it

sure philly can win when glads choke

[hot onyx]

It’s an even match

[vagrant cargo]

except it isnt lol

[hot onyx]

If Fusion don’t choke

[noble nexus]

you don't actually believe that do you

[hot onyx]

They’re both even teams

Yes I do

[vagrant cargo]

if neither team chokes

then fusion lose on 4 positions

kevster tracer birdring ashe>carpe tracer shockwave ashe

muze>>mano and space>>>hotba

[hot onyx]

I would argue that on a power ranking Hotba rn is only 2-3 places below space

Mans been sick

[vagrant cargo]

sure backline is even but due to team diff glads supps are way more likely to outperform them

[north relic]

i would agree depending on if space is 3-5

[vagrant cargo]

hotba is around 10th

[hot onyx]

But if Mano feeds his heart out then it’s gg

Hotba is 5th-7th rn

[vagrant cargo]

nah no way

[hot onyx]

Tf you talking about

Did you even watch the Fusion matches

[gusty rampart]

Hotba Mano okay

[hot onyx]

Hotba was literally a carrying machine

And he didn’t need to be because most of his team is great

GOD I wish they kept Sado

[trail perch]

yeah agree

[vagrant cargo]

void hanbin space hawk cr0ng toyou fury lateyoung choi>hotba

[trail perch]

Theres more

wait

[vagrant cargo]

u can make a case for bernar too

[trail perch]

BErnar

[vagrant cargo]

and gargoyle

[wild cape]

who’s philly against again?

[vagrant cargo]

glads

[trail perch]

Vestola even lmao

[vagrant cargo]

yeah i forgot vestola

[wild cape]

ah

[vagrant cargo]

vestola fosho better

[trail perch]

Punk maybe?

[vagrant cargo]

punk too

i can see punk

[trail perch]

yeah same

[wild cape]

can’t wait to see glads move on in the bracket

[vagrant cargo]

hotba performs good vs bad teams that dont punish is shit playstyle

[hot onyx]

With all due respect NTB you are living in the past

[vagrant cargo]

im not

[north relic]

who would he be above in playoffs

[vagrant cargo]

i watched every philly match

[trail perch]

For the first time i agree with NTB

Hotba ass

[hot onyx]

Hotba = Choi and > Fury currently

[vagrant cargo]

and almost watched every owl match this season

NAH

[trail perch]

LMAO

[vagrant cargo]

LMFAOOOOOOO

AHAHAHHAAH

[trail perch]

BETTER THAN FURY???

[hot onyx]

You guys rate Choi and Fury far too high

[trail perch]

Fury>Choi rn lmao

[tiny pollen]

fury is trash

[vagrant cargo]

even w choi when choi is absolutely fucking lately

[tiny pollen]

punk > fury

[trail perch]

Yall are just dumb

[vagrant cargo]

im crying

[wild cape]

fury is overrated

[plucky star]

anyone have the link to the rewards for watching this week?

[vagrant cargo]

fury is overrated in the sense that he isnt top 3 anymore

[trail perch]

Fury is still a top ot yall just didnt watch justice

[hot onyx]

I like fury but he has fallen off so hard this season

[vagrant cargo]

hes still top 5 imo

[trail perch]

YEP

[vagrant cargo]

he rlly jhasnt

he just has 0 healing

[trail perch]

His sig was top tier

Dva was top tier

[vagrant cargo]

tf is he supposed to do when he has the worst fs in the entire region besides roolf

[trail perch]

I dont remember his zarya and i dont think he played it

[hot onyx]

Ask Kenobi I watched the entire Justice vs Outlaws match on his watchparty

[vagrant cargo]

his zarya fucked too

[wild cape]

justice will go 0-2 in the playoffs

[vagrant cargo]

yeah

due to backline diff

[trail perch]

he fucking munched on pulses

Literally ate like 7

[vagrant cargo]

hotba hasnt had a single series vs a good team where he was the differencemaker

[hot onyx]

Yeah from Outlaws

[vagrant cargo]

hotba vs NYXL XDD

[trail perch]

Why are ppl hyping hotba

Please someone tell me

[vagrant cargo]

fusion copium

[hot onyx]

Mans flexible now

[trail perch]

NYXL last year and Fusion this year have been made worse by him

He isnt a differnece maker

[vagrant cargo]

hes average

[trail perch]

actually wait

i take that back

He makes difference

an OTD

[vagrant cargo]

its a stepup from dogshit

[trail perch]

for whoever the other team is

[vagrant cargo]

but not crazy

[hot onyx]

2 months ago I was practically writing letters to that Macron fellow who rules France to ship Poko to Korea on a boat or sum shit

[vagrant cargo]

his matrix usage isnt special

poko wouldnt have changed much either