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i will win those tokens and spit in your face
what if ur my interest?
do you think they will notice if i sneak into their discord for the giveaway?
Blacklisted
Does it look like care though
You just react to the post and you're in the draw
Does it look like care.
If you leave before I announce the winner then no tokens for you
Out
By default they are PC tokens
ok sweet.
You can redeem them in a country that is eligible for OWL Token redemption
!!teams
!!will Guangzhou win 2022
As I see it, yes.
Cool
lmao
do the owl team command
stop promoting ur shit teams discord
!!tinder
no i need tokens
Friendly reminder; this isn’t tinder, so please take flirting to DMs/other servers. Thanks!
!!will luigi marry me?
Most likely.
hell yeah
Hey I only get to do this once every month at most
actually read like a book
most likely
read harder than chengdu in SS GF
Who are u
Whomst
This chat is actually so bad for my mental health
leave
I will win
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mod application 
Higher seed picks first map in playoffs right?
yeah i think
Don't worry gentlemen, I will represent Esports Discussion as a moderator.
Will finally get us our own starboard.
Get reactions enabled.
mod app
we dont need 2 shanghai fans being moderators
its okay guys
too much power
I will be mod
i will
seoul fan
who the hell are u
It is certain.
without profit yeah
without profits they are lowkey worse than charge
assuming their dps are also like mid
/trash
winless team #3
If JJoNak retires the NYXL will die
if super retires shock wont die
Overwatch League will be wounded tho
He's the face of Overwatch league
benbest is literally the face tho
like his facce
they use it to promote things
cause hot
Fr
Applying for mod
If benbest casted the grand finals
do we need to balance out moderators for each team?
This will be #SFShockDiscussion
While shirtless
i will be seoul moderator
That’s 2billion viewers baybee
kim kardashian suddenly watching owl on instagram
actually can we get moderator applications but instead of applying for moderating r/overwatch its just moderating this channel
yes
That would be such a mess
like a moderator-lite
give each channel their own moderators
each moderator's channel is their domain
Lmao
well yeah that was like
we know right
LA
wait na matches to west coast servers
thats huge
no
see if I was a mod rn
nice
changes nothing
well. makes the reign v glads match closer
reign might lose harder if they try to force pelican on 200 ping again against apac teams
pelican fakes collapsed lung so he could get better ping than kevster confirmed
possibility.
this season?
What's lower than F
How seoul haven't got that title twice makes them the new choker team
atlanta kinda close behind
Hadi
They've been my disappointment team since the beginning for various reasons
I think that's offensive to Hadi
1v1 gesture vs hadi
Rein no shields
i did watch the gladiators do well
checkmate win
Ofc checkmate is Reinhardt supreme, but not without sum teleporter
I still can't believe that actually worked
Such a chad fkn play
Bottom 5 teams think they were prepared for a season of OWL but actually ended up playing OW2 quick play
essenzhou you cant say this when you exist
I literally said takes one to know one
Happy bday Soeeeee https://twitter.com/overwatchleague/status/1438609408544628736
happy birthday soeeeeeeeeeee
Ping time and disconnection like last time
If you're the prediction queen by title, you still get to keep it from last year
Like Goldenboy as a national treasure and global icon
yeah but that's only for the season. prediction season has ended unless we are including playoffs.
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Yo. I'm looking for someone to help me out with Overwatch. I'm looking to get better because I'm in an Esports team at my school. Can anyone help me? I'm on pc btw.
delusion
if only that was reality
theres no way peopel think this
Sniff til fall
Might be last year but it says 4 hours ago
And the logo is 2021
People aren’t real
im still all in on the Fusion win
I submitted a mod app :)
I’m an atheist, but may god help is all
If your app gets accepted then there truly is no justice in this world
Empathy better veto this
becoming an unpaid janitor smh
is that a washington pun??
Sideshow (seemingly unaware) went live for a couple minutes early this morning for a "test video". Leaks were made, but their truth remains to be seen.
yearly reminder of this
I am not sure whether or not I should submit an app myself
same same
you 2 as mods? shutters
i will force everyone to vote fearless mvp
I did lol
also dallas copium they will go to finals
Leave 🙏
also yeah I voted Leave lmaoo
LIP and Fearless
lmao imagine picking Fearless
Leave is bouta clean house on the MVP vote, and everyone knows it
Wait League games are being played on NA servers???
Pelican is being moved to West Coast????
MY PICKEMS
NOOOOOO
you clearly don't know how this works
Leave more like please Leave the MVP podium
sounds like someone on copium
everyone knows Leave will win, and if they don't, their on a massive amount of copium
Leave is just the most popular MVP choice
Especially because the Fuel MVP choices suck
Vote Chengdu 2021
lip mvp
you wish
Leave stan says no
shu is boosted and leave isnt consistent enough
Leave and Jinmu kinda threw CC Map 7
lip wouldnt do that
Literally were playing Mystery Heroes
genji hanzo is op wym
They kept switching
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Shu solo winning the last fight for a stage title 
imo Lip Leave and Shu all deserve it this year 
Leave or lip
but in the end as always it is really easy to see dps or flex support players impacts because they are such flashy roles, where as being a good dva for example is far less flashy.
shu doesn't deserve mvp
like hitting a nutty sleep or flick or genji blade looks insane, but holding space and matrixing and all that just looks like overwatch loll
I voted pelican and said lip should get mvp right after
I need people to remember glads were not that special the whole season lmao
Shu had always been solid but wasn't putting out MVP performances constantly
apac fans also have fat apac bias so it's all good
I think that Alarm and Shu and Nero and Eqo all got so much shit for the failures of their teams this year deadass
shu never got blamed
It was always space/muze getting blamed for things ( they were underperforming tbf)
Alarm never got blamed
and the weird swaps of putting mirror in
Alarm looks like only one with monitor on sometimes
Alarm got blamed all the time. "if alarm is this so called flex support god why is philly so bad" was all you heard every game 
oh really
lots of people unwilling to accept alarm as a top flex support anymore 
I thought fans had like high enough iq to realize that his individual mechanics were like not the problem at all
idk if it is me but Dallas supports are so sleeper, like they are great obviously, but when I think of dallas the support line is the last bit I think of 
maybe it is because they don't have a huge playmaking support like izayaki winning fights on bap and zen or alarm hitting all the sleeps or leejaegon getting a 4 man boop type shit
so maybe I just think of them less
LAG should pull a chengdu and sign one more support just so they can say they have the best support line in the league
?
Wait was that a virus
Also I think Shanghai still has the best support
2 man just the best imk
Imo
I got a fresh heaping pile of copium for those shock simps
Apparently their scrimbux are solid
yeah but Shanghai Dragons
that
and scrimbux bad
Basically yiska said picking shock over shd first round isn't that wild of an idea based off scrimbux
I still think shd win
but we will have to see
Scrimbux against who tho, like did Shanghai do bad in scrims vs chengdu team or did shock do bad in scrims vs an na team
Good scrimbux for shock I assume
I worded that badly lmaoo
But good scrimbux is like a good pre-season in the NFL
doesn't mean much most of the time
I meant like is shock winning against an na team because I don't see how that translates to the uniqueness of Shanghais comps I think
He pretty much was just backing up volamel's decision to pick shock over shd in their bracket on tactical crouch
Although if they scrims glads and win that is definitely noteworthy 
that the scrimbux can support it
I assume everyone beats everyone in scrims
besides the obvious ones
Like i'm sure justice has beaten someone like glads or dallas in scrims
Atlanta were scrim gods last season I’m not taking it
yea scrimbux are just too un-reliable
Actually yeah when was the last time scrimbux were good
Like Atlanta and Houston this year I guess right?
Fair but that was a ping scrim so I don't think much of them
I think fdgod had like 280 ping or something
super had a lot as well when he was in
everyone shouldve lost to vancouver before the season so scrimbux would say vancouver was an S tier team
Where did u hear that?
AVRL, Yiska, and Volamel close the storybook on Overwatch one with their predictions on how the 2021 Overwatch League Playoffs will play out. Can the Shock end with the 3-peat? Are Chengdu the second best team in the world? It's time to put it all on the line--one last time.
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00:11:33 - Playoffs scheduling and NA travel c...
this video
Ty!
They talk about the scrimbux in the "Breaking down the opening round" section when shock vs shd comes up
if shock wins against shanghai its gonna be the biggest bitchslap we've seen in a while
maybe ever
I just hope philly go 0-2
i can see philly winning against glads
Peak philly hasn't even been seen this season tbh
Peak philly would be insane with that roster
Philly kinda peaked in mm
yeah but the moment they lose 1 game they are boomed for eternity
Yes shockwave good carpe good eqo showing he's not a genji one trick hotba showing he can still play good. Astro alarm being as good as ever, just wish they'd actually win 😡
I’m happy we even made playoffs bro
Me too
Playing spark and then seoul back to back must have been tiring asf
But like I feel like someone staring at something not working going "work damn it come on"
Mhm
Like an old guy with an alarm clock or some shit lmao
I cry inside whenever I think about us in may melee
May melee was so good as a game tho
We were soo close
One of my fav of the season
Like we were top 3 in mm
Gibraltar may melee was nuts
Charge make sweeping roster changes soon challenge (impossible)
LMAO WHAT
Peak philly has done what exactly this year?
Lose in play ins?
While peak glads have won a title
Philly only win if glads decide to underperform and Choke
Apac is way more competitive
Except it isnt
NA only has like 2 good teams and the rest are bad
Seoul got dicked by a no pelican Atlanta
And Atlanta isnt even top 3 NA arguably rn
APAC has 2 good teams
Chengdu and SHD
NA has 4 good teams
Cope
L
Ur so fun to argue with
Thats because im the goat 😴😴
philly is dogshit ass bottom feeder team
W
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Philly is not an NA team
philly is apac
China
What
Mykaylee so bad
Sounds like kaylee
you learn from the best, after all
Just "be on the left side of the board" kind of day
leave lip fearless pelican etc have all done that
ok not stage title vut you get it
no, because they went 2-3 vs hunters
who then got so tilted they beat Shanghai 3-0 the following day
ah wait sorry
that was a with a draw 3-1
and it turns out bilibili does have VODs from the chinese stream up
That score line seems impossible to do now
see look at this way lsd
One of these teams decided to rise up after a crappy season
the other is Chengdu Hunters
Chengdu hunters was that team this year werent they
I lot of teams rose up from last season
name a more more formidable Chinese toilet bowl
Preview of GZ vs Valiant Grand Finals 2022
remember when pickems were about winning a statue
ZP: "All of you are watching APAC, that means you can watch all your pickems just evaporate as you pick the wrong teams night after night"
looks at luigi haters
!!luigi
Doesn’t work anymore
True
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valiant vs current spark
is spark chinese
idk
Spark is a mixed chinese Korean roster like charge
the have slightly more chinese players
and if you've never watched a spark game
you're missing on some insane plays from shy
omg I got an ad on YT for bren advertising OWL playoffs
is there a universal URL to watch the current game ? like a link that will always display the current match if there is one
That's not how Youtube works
if you want the link to an upcoming match, then you pick up the first stream and roll with it
LIP 4k to win map 7 in jj gf 
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im talking about the OWL website, overwatchleague.com
is there like a universal link i can watch the games in ?
No
You wanted a URL
You have to rethink how YouTube now hosts all Overwatch League Videos
The VOD link you get will be the same URL when you want to watch it again
The official OWL YouTube channel isn't making their current livestreams enjoyable outside of the actual OWL homepage
But it looks like you found your answer
yeah but the OWL website hosts streams too, right ?
Sans still hasn’t shown cowboy hat
i dont like the yt UI
Yes but that's not the point
Twitch was a one size fits all method for watching pokimane unwrap presents from her fans
And watching Riot esports
“When I get to visit home”
YouTube is the holy mother of video archiving and live replays
R
So you won't get anything better than this: youtube.com/overwatchleague or the main website
That I can’t defend because I genuinely thought I was gonna visit home
But I haven’t forgot, I’ll see if I can get my mother to bring it to my nans house
Hey mom I need my cowboy hat to prove to internet strangers that I’m not a fake cowboy lmao
I’ll look forward to it
That’s right pardner
Mc Cree name change to sans
According to the Philadelphia Fusion skin in the Overwatch League token store yes
which ow hero supports the shock
Sigma because he is mentally unstable
I could see that
We don’t want another name change though
as if sans would ever get a job
*Dave is a fusion fan jeez get it right
What’s the first new name?
no he's implying that you will do something bad and theyll have to change mccree's name again
see it on the news "local fusion fan commits three acts of homicide during Overwatch League live event"
???????????????
Huh
I think their is an hopium addiction crisis in cali
Government put hopium in the water supply
Probably some people trolling as well
shock wins this cause brig rein beats ball
Mag yes
Bro wtf happened to shock fans
They took what you were smoking
it beats shanghai ball comp
Why does playoffs start on a Monday
Why not
Wasn’t all tourneys Thursday to Sunday
You think they can play all of the playoff games over the weekend?
Monday grand finals are in Friday right
Aren’t playoff games five days
Playoffs start on Tuesday
I can see it
sniff the hopium
but but...what if Shock wins?
we gonna call SHD trash? washed?
Certified delusion
Calling LIP washed here i gooooooo
Only way Shock wins is if Dragons stay on the same form as they were during Countdown Cup
Otherwise i think it is irrational to predict Shock taking more than one map
Because Dragons are too good and Shock aren’t living in the prime days anymore
dragons have to absolutely fail
peak shock lose to peak dragons
If Shock win and Shanghai don’t look atrocious then they deserve it
But this also seems unlikely
im predicting a 3-2 but idk who will get the 3
idk i dont see shock winning if both teams play at their best.
dragons really have to just fuck their shit up badly
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nobody here apply, it would be awful if Levy or Marbel were in charge
not enough pixels to tell who tf im lookin at
zoom in
time to shine
he's got that dad style
Toxic community behavior displayed here by OP. Post is neither needed or constructive and is clearly going to hurt certain players feelings. But yeah Its okay because “LOL me and my BF made this it’s JUST FUN lol no harm done”. Actually OP is right, it is a stupid tier list
oh god not Luigi
It's also very inaccurate
maybe Kenobi would be an acceptable mod but that is about it

hard agree with the dragons simp
how is jake not at least A+
Based
anyone ever had KFC OJ?
Super D tier ?!
Unbelievable
Not only is that tier list pointless and hurtful to some players but it’s also plain wrong Naga is not E tier
Toxic community behavior displayed here by OP. Post is neither needed or constructive and is clearly going to hurt certain players feelings. But yeah Its okay because “LOL me and my BF made this it’s JUST FUN lol no harm done”. Actually OP is right, it is a stupid tier list
Who’s the fusion player in s
Poko
Poko
also there is a distinct lack of ans on that tier list
unless I'm dumb and never saw him
Ans isn’t in s so he isn’t anywhere else
Truue
Stfu sans
Stfu sans
sans deltarune ch. 2?????!
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Im gonna take a break off social media, im literally sacrificing on missing the entire playoffs for a chance to change my life
Thank you friend
❤️
It’s been an honor good sir
ill be missing u fellow atlanta stan
Yes, ill be sending my prayers to atlanta for winning the playoffs
#winforshifter
❤️
Yes
you dont need to use social media to watch the playoffs?...

Wait
Shang Hai
I'm watching the dallas video they just put out
Shang Hai my favourite team
From the sound of it, they wanted to pick shock
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hFRP4vhtY1o 3:54 is where rush talks about it
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I dont know it might be that, but I think it might also be
that they expected dragons to pick justice
so justice wasnt their first pick
so when justice was still available they just went oh shit should we just pick justice then?
im not sure though
you're right might be
dragons pick shock to cuck dallas strats 
Shang Hai
Dallas/shd suffer from, no one knows how good they are currently
Most teams would have scrims to go off of so idk
Can be yea
o7
No because I am more handsome than u
its the font of an LSD addict
can confirm, I know one lsd addict and he lives off this server
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Its going to be very funny when shock lose r1
then drop out r1
playoffs are next week tho right?
i want shanghai to get fucked over again just because theyre overconfident again
danny with the seoul background
Or this weekend?
where the casters and analysts circle around every team that's not atlanta reign @balmy wolf
playoffs are next week
bren said himself that he threw his brain out the window and is rooting for shock
They have a good shot on winning
anyways hope GZ Admins are all good with my letter, I worked really hard to tell him how much it means to my friend Carl
!jumbo 
they didnt include justice and reigm i think
they also did interviews with the players, gator, mag, space
plus some dps one trick named super
fleta and carpe
I heard they're alright
Dallas players are visibly absent
dallas too busy playing ping pong
they could have taken any clip of sp9rk1e, and they chose not to
sorry for the late reply i was too busy with my gf
Ed before std
Rip yveltal
man thats so sad to hear, he was such a good player
is his username named after the pokemon
yes
nice
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😆
BIG NEWS
the OWL desk is travelling to Hawaii tomorrow and doing the playoffs in person!
I have so many emotions and questions:
- Is johnny real?
- Will the sun kill me?
- How do I act around real people again
WATCH THE PLAYOFFS IT'S GONNA BE LIT
587

Real custa reinforce hawaii breaks
Is this the first time the desk is actually together
Shock also lost hanamura in grand finals after winning it like 17 times
how else in there highschool esports teamf
What
Same ngl
POGGGG
the answer is yes to all three questions
Lmao
Playoffs WILL be lit
i wonder if nero is happier on shock than he was on charge
I say yes?
I'd imagine getting to actually play very often and live in your home state is nice
Instead of being in visa hell for majority of the season during a pandemic in a foreign country
But I'm sure he wasn't sad to be on charge
He also said he's mentally a lot better this year in a tweet I think.
He's also bald
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trying to gain their favour so you can extract merchandise?
Thats cool i guess
Sorry for the late reply I was busy in my local brothel
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What time is OWL Grand Finals? CET time?
all the times listed on the page is in pacific time iirc
Well it's confusing since on grand finals there are 2 times
So 2nd one is replay?!
And if September 26 on 3am it's starting I'm like wtf xD
memeicus muted?
yes
I posted the links to the owl streams and got auto detected
Tuff
yoooooooooooo
mama
Actually rekt
Lets talk about how wrong you are
no >:)
LIP > Birdring
lip aim looks like one of those 10k aimbots
damn what a cold take
Here’s my other cold take
ANS is good but striker made him look way better than he is
idk what that mean
lip tracer lip sombra better than the next best tracer sombra team
I think just Ans on his own is great
diem widow > ans widow
I think ANS is at least A tier
i feel like ans is kinda overated
But striker is so good at tracer he could make his hitscan look up a tier
Like, if striker played tracer for shy, I think shy would look like the best hitscan in the league
shy is also S
I think you have too many S hs
there's like negligable difference between all S hitscans imo
anyone else in s?
dalton
The reason I’d put LIP above ANS and shy def is Bc lip isn’t limited to just hard hitscan
im thinking
dalton isnt s he is s+
birdring and leave might be S this season as well
he's also just better
like so far in this season LIP has been the better hitscan
imo
A includes Carpe Decay and Kai
fits as well
Bc those three are all insane hard hitscan but also have other picks to show off
carp A
shockwave a then ig
shockwave is good
Carpe only because his tracer is like so much better than everyone else on the team
if theres 2 carpes
although i do agree that shockwave is like really close im down to put him at A too
Yeah but tracer by itself doesn’t make him a good hitscan
where would you put flora gwb
Gwangboong Flora I put them B too
He’s solid on hitscan great at tracer, might as well consider him a flex player
Which is how Philly use him
ivy me-
anyways C I would have Onigod im37
~Pine probably here lol unless proven otherwise
onigod could move up a tier
dalton krystal obviously D
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logix Z tier
The more people that apply from here the better,,,
Yeah logix idk kinda fell off
They can't reject all of us!
I applied ✋
Also I know which of you applied
I didn't apply ✋
Put in good word for me 
damn empathy ✊ ✊
u know we homies
anyways Fleta hitscan would like totally be like B-A if he had to play
My word means nothing, but it would nice to have at least one other person here
So when would you guys say did ans play the best of his career?
Fleta just goated
what is peak ans lookin like
That one game against Philly
countdown cup?
The on ilios
I think may melee and countdown cup
in the playoffs he was getting matched but like thats okay
during the playoffs he was the lowest performing widow wasnt he?
Stats wise I think
fits went on a murder spree and just deleted everyone else
But also hard to have insane stats when you have to compete with 2 other gods
ans bottom left
On your team
that's true
A certain zen and tracer player
I bet viol2t had like 6k more damage than creative
fis had to like make up for it
god fits was so fuckin good
Can’t tell if creative didn’t pan out or if anamo sucks
Anamo sucks
Creative his ana and zen are actually pretty nice his bap doe like cant say much about that
although when u have anamo
who at this point literally like bottom 5 ms
hot take? probably not
someone make an actual hitscan tier list
thats develop
He’s played like one map?
yeah
who is this lmao flora?
jimmy?
Yeah
why is leave not here
eileen or kaylee?
cause chengdu's dedicated hitscan is jimmy obv
Next to Krystal
Also why is Kevster on this list
oh shit mb
just dont put kevster
I have so many fuckin people in th eB tier tf
who
is this hybrid? tf
thats sparkr
ok mb
mykaylee
oh fuck I put the wrong spark player
or well hes LFT
must be
so who is this
Eileen
eileen isnt even a hitscan
He played it this season
cause mykaylee has problem or something
where would you put aspire
yea
But also he didn’t really play that much of the hard hitscan
So I just ignored all the “hitscan” players that only played tracer
that map on junkertown too damnn
ayt thats fair
fits ashe is so fucking good jesus christ
(watching pov like a nerd)
all i remember is profit ashe ngl
Stfu sans
stfu sans
drop ur hitscan tierlist
is this fits
the rest idk who they are
put jimmy in s tier
I'm going to put Leave in F and see this chat mald
imagine thinking i unironically put dalton s
Based.
How can you say Leave is not S 
Idk how u can say that
And then call.ans a beats when ans hasnt done shit all season
LIP, Ans, Birdring, and Profit is S tier to me
No way u put ans and profit over.lip
When leave hard diffed profit everytime they faced off
replace lip with leave
Watch Shock games
There are times he hard clutched
Like when
and leave hasnt?
And so did leave on a regular
if that is your reasoning for ans then leave is s+
There isnt a Single Chengdu match where leave didnt at least clutch ONCE
first time agreeing with NTB
I also dislike using stats but iirc leave is top 3 at worsg on all heros where he is avaible for statd
Leave and Jinmu got too creative in CC Finals Map 7
Winnable game
And they just swapped a lot he still did good
? and leejaegon is a shit main support for throwing playoffs
They played Mystery Heroes
Leave literally hard pounded still on that map
Only hero He hasnt looked top tier on is Sombra
And then Shu pounded them
And his neutral sombra game is still cracked
my guy's blood is all shock hopium
Leave pounded everyone on ur list but birdring
And even then he headshotted birdring out of EMP
leave hasnt pounded dalton
Yeah dink smokes shock hopium on a daily basis
Dalton Bennyhoff
Dalton tracer 👌
S++ hitscan
LiP Pelican Birdring Fleta Leave are.the only S tier dps this season
SHD= shock hopium disorder
shanghai fans are just super high on shock hopium
idk i dont watch apac much ngl
Birdring S
if spark did something this year shy is probably s
Spark was tragic
Playing coach roulette faster than paris can play player roulette
Paris had one player leave and another one join this season...
yeah and neptuno and dridro for MS
Oh
I forgot about that
Tbh I'm glad Paris didn't make playoffs
Did you hear the plan they had for Paris?
make them sign an entire new team just for playoffs?
Yes
dumb as fuck
honestly they should be glad they never made playoffs
the players shouldn't care cuz they wouldn't have played anyways
yeah I mean what can you do in that situation
Like there's no point in making it
they've overperformed this season by all accounts and next season they should be all good with visas so they shouldn't be worried or upset honestly









