like REALLY nerfed
#lore-discussion
worthy rose
He did lose to Winston though
summer hollow
and physically
past copper
Winston beat him
summer hollow
winston beating doomfist is way more plausible
like winston genji and tracer together
ye i can see
past copper
Tracer and Genji underestimated him because they had the advantage in numbers
summer hollow
them taking him out
worthy rose
Tracer and Genji underestimated him because they had the advantage in numbers
Nothing suggest they underestimated him. Looked to me they were going all out
past copper
The moral of both sides is to NEVER underestimate your enemy
summer hollow
bro
he could have instakilled everyone there
he is doomfist......
who could stop him?
orisa and lucio?
lmao
worthy rose
I'm sure Reaper could instakill them and he's weaker than Doomfist
past copper
If they were going all out, they would’ve been trying to kill Doomfist instead of arresting him
worthy rose
Ok maybe not soldier lol
past copper
Reaper has military training with a genetic enhancement and specialized ammo to do extra damage
Orisa only has her upgrades and combat abilities while Lúcio has no real formal combat training
Experience outweighs inexperience
past copper
In the case of Overwatch. Power doesn’t mean anything if all their power comes from tech
summer hollow
the way doomfist lost in the hero of numbani was so weird
he didnt even get damaged
like at all
and somehow he was like
oh i guess i lost
let me kill one of my own henchman
so i can escape
xD
past copper
That’s because Orisa obviously isn’t gonna be built to kill like her predecessors from the Omnic Crisis and Lúcio isn’t using tech that can actually kill
limber gate
Sometimes power wins out no matter the exp
orisa wasn't even built to kill
lucio has hard light
past copper
Orisa was built to protect Numbani. Plus, her predecessors in the Omnic Crisis were built to kill. The OR units she was built from obviously were built to kill if they acted as a police force
Lúcio doesn’t have hardlight. He has sonic tech. It’s different
limber gate
doomfist was built to kill
opaque scroll
even soldier
I doubt this
peak escarp
Orisa was built specifically to fight Doomfist
and Doomfist wasn't defeated there - he retreated
worthy rose
Same thing really. Why would he retreat if he wasn't going to lose
marsh mauve
limber gate
Same thing really. Why would he retreat if he wasn't going to lose
not necessarily. If you're mid-teamfight during the brawl phase and your team has 2 down and they have 2 down, you might choose to retreat because you're on attack and you don't want to risk losing the fight and burning more time than necessary. Kiting away doesn't necessarily mean you were going to lose that fight, only because you didn't want to risk losing that fight
there is a slight difference, but the fact doomfist thought these two were more powerful than tracer and genji was absolutely ridiculous
worthy rose
I agree lol. Genji or Tracer would absolutely blitz Lucio then double team and whoop Orisa
dull orchid
no
peak escarp
Same thing really. Why would he retreat if he wasn't going to lose
you retreat so you don't lose
peak escarp
there is a slight difference, but the fact doomfist thought these two were more ...
he didn't think they were more powerful than Tracer and Genji
limber gate
he didn't think they were more powerful than Tracer and Genji
these two made him retreat but tracer and genji didn't
if that isn't saying "oh I think these two are more powerful" than I don't know what is
peak escarp
that's not the same thing
limber gate
well I mean, given the context you can kind of infer that
I mean I didn't read the novel but it seemed that way for me
peak escarp
limber gate
I know I'm missing a lot of context clues
limber gate
wasn't winston and the strike squad looking to do that anyway
they succeeded, didn't they?
peak escarp
when he fought the strike team, he didn't consider that a possibility
he didnt think he could lose
now he knows better
limber gate
so he grew cautious the second time
peak escarp
getting arrested must have been a humbling experience
limber gate
but then that means he considers them at least on par or close with the strike squad for him to consider that a possibility
which is still something pretty ridiculous, if he saw them in action and decided that
worthy rose
Lore discussion=spoiler room
peak escarp
the book came out 2 years ago
worthy rose
ah
summer hollow
Ye I find it hard to believe doomfist gonna lose against orisa who is basically in her 2nd real fight, Lucio who is not known for his offensive or martial prowess and an 11 year old
First of all having that 11 year old there is already a detriment to their group, cuz she can be easily targeted
Not only by doomfist but by his henchmen as well
Second of all Lucio and orisa don't stand a chance
peak escarp
Lucio led a successful uprising against Vishkar
all Doomfist's henchmen had been defeated or chased off
(he brought mooks)
summer hollow
That's another thing entirely
What Lucio did
There's one thing to change the minds of people through music and rise together against a corporation
And another thing entirely to go in a fist fight against doomfist
peak escarp
Lucio isn't going to fistfight Doomfist
but he can (and does) support others and bolster them while they fight
and Orisa was literally made to fight Doomfist
past copper
I honestly think dude can’t stand the bad guy losing. That’s all it is
worthy rose
Yep and that's how we get bs like Reaper losing to a grandma
peak escarp
grandma?
Reaper also didn't lose - he retreated
retreating is not the same as losing
past copper
Retreating isn’t the same as losing. It means the bad guy gets away to continue their actions another day and if the hero can’t stop them before that, then who really loses?
old solstice
He's only 2 years younger too
worthy rose
True but I mean he has soldier enhancements which should make him a lot stronger than normal humans
peak escarp
Ana was able to overpower him because he a) was shocked that she was still alive and b) didn't actually want to hurt her
he retreated when she got involved
Reaper was there to kill Jack
limber gate
and Orisa was literally made to fight Doomfist
in game orisa gets demolished lmao
the irony
peak escarp
good thing the game isn't canon
limber gate
we can at least agree on that
limpid agate
Yep and that's how we get bs like Reaper losing to a grandma
Ana is only a couple of years older than Reaper
Widow is nearly a full decade older than Tracer to contrast
summer hollow
I honestly think dude can’t stand the bad guy losing. That’s all it is
all bad guys lose, the issue i have is HOW he lost not that he lost
its just not believable
limpid agate
Its a kids book
limpid agate
Deadlock Rebels is better
summer hollow
ill start that today
limpid agate
There's a lot more action too.
limpid agate
No, there's much less of that.
Hero of Numbani was a story about Efi
Efi is not a combatant
summer hollow
which begs the question
summer hollow
why efi? out of all the characters u can choose
limpid agate
Because its a kids book
summer hollow
kids dont read
limpid agate
Kids books tend to be told from the perspective of kids
limpid agate
Don't strawman.
summer hollow
thats fine
limpid agate
Cassidy still goes by McCree at this point, and he's younger too.
Plus it introduces the rest of the Deadlock Founders
What we knew prior was that it was founded by 4 people.
Ashe, Cassidy, and two others
That is their story
summer hollow
future overwatch heroes hmm
why did they change the site for the comics 😭
the old one was so much better
sleek prairie
What is Reinhardts work out
summer hollow
actually no the new site is better
reinhardts workout is him swinging that huge hammer
if u swing that all day
i bet u will get as big as him!
summer hollow
wow the stone by stone short story was really interesting
zenyatta getting some lore finally!
limpid agate
Yeah, Stone By Stone was really good
summer hollow
like it made me see omnics very differently
i thought they were just robots
AI
but they actually have souls
very cool short story
peak escarp
why efi? out of all the characters u can choose
because Efi/Orisa is a safe topic for their first novel - if it did poorly, they're not main characters so it doesn't impact the story
summer hollow
ya fair enough
peak escarp
and Orisa is the youngest hero - with that novel, we now know her entire life story
summer hollow
thats one of the things the novel did right
it made me appreciate orisa more
also at the end did efi and orisa get a call from sojourn?
are they gonna join overwatch?
peak escarp
that's the implication
sleek prairie
i bet u will get as big as him!
😎
balmy imp
are shields/barriers in universe made of hard light?
limber gate
I think
peak escarp
they seem to be
cosmic crest
It would be very strange/confusing if they weren't given their visual design
When you think "hard light" a glowing, transparent wall is probably what comes to mind
summer hollow
Who was that omnic that doomfist spoke to
peak escarp
Who was that omnic that doomfist spoke to
we don't know yet, but based on his appearance and what Jeff said about him, he's likely a leader of Null Sector
foggy furnace
This one’s a bit old. I was going back and looking at Retribution. One thing that always confused me was why Moria joined Talon. I know she was frustrated with Overwatch because they were placing restrictions on her research, but she helped mow down Talon’s forces when the Venice incident happened, which confuses me even more. Did she join them solely because she cared about her research, or did she join them for another cause unrelated to science?
summer hollow
She joined because talon offers her the freedom to do what she wants
She isn't held back by morality or by laws
Not with Talon
foggy furnace
Gotcha. Thank you.
cloud robin
In her biography it says: "Yet some have whispered that the shadowy Talon organization had already been supporting her for years, aiding her experiments in exchange for utilizing the results for their own purposes." (Timeperiod sh/could overlap with blackwatchmembership)
When looking at the Venice incident the snipers-teleport-ability is visually in line with moira and reaper. So there is a theory that moira worked with Talon while being a blackwatch member.
So there could be a longer history with Talon before joining them.
grand wedge
I hope it will be true. Let Moira be true vilain! A mole from Talon that wanted to destroy Overwatch just because it get in her way.
karmic turret
are shields/barriers in universe made of hard light?
I'd assume so
peak escarp
Moira is responsible for the fall of Overwatch, whether she intended to do it or not
twilit nacelleBOT
wooden sleet
How exactly do shields work in lore?
cosmic crest
Barriers like Reinhardt's and Orisa's are made of hard light.
If you meant shields as in blue health, they are likely just personal energy shields much like those seen in Halo and other sci-fi shooters. They are most likely also made from hard light.
wooden sleet
Okay but like in the rein cinematic did people shoot behind the shields?
Like how does that work
wooden sleet
Thank you
sleek prairie
Who made the crusader armor?
And how many Crusaders are left?
Need to find my brothers
fickle quarry
It seems to only go the one way
then how does lore explain that enemies' projectiles are being swallowed from both sides, and teammate projectiles easily fly through from both sides?
I dunno, in my universes i always explain it like the shield and the gun are synced so they don't collide
peak escarp
then how does lore explain that enemies' projectiles are being swallowed from bo...
because the game wouldn't function otherwise
fickle quarry
yeah, i understand
peak escarp
in-universe, shields are directional
fickle quarry
so, we just accept that those rushers and flankers don't exist in lore?
that actually makes sense, because they want to live
peak escarp
sleek prairie
Who made the crusader armor? And how many Crusaders are left?
iron plume
We don't know, and most likely 1
fickle quarry
if to count balderich's - then two
limber gate
they just all died?
fickle quarry
but the working ones - only rein's, thanks to his engineer brigitte
peak escarp
they probably disbanded when the crisis ended and they weren't needed anymore
Rein is the only one still active
fickle quarry
i doubt there are many good engineers that value suits that much
cosmic crest
There probably weren't that many of them to begin with
fickle quarry
at least one group that consisted of at least four members
wait a sec, how is russian wiki better than the english one?
it literally says that barriers are made of hard light
speaking of which, did vishkar make barriers? or they are just some architect guys?
cosmic crest
If Vishkar created hard light then it's probably not patented, many different groups make use of it.
iron plume
well firstly which english one are you looking at
and secondly, there's hard light that has nothing to do with vishkar
It might be the case that Vishkar's technology is permanent structures from hard light
as opposed to barriers that require a constant source
which allows them to make buildings
fickle quarry
so, vishkar are architects and hard light isn't theirs?
peak escarp
correct
iron plume
vishkar are architects and likely created a new form and/or application of hard light
but we don't know for sure
cosmic crest
Maybe Vishkar created hard light and tried to patent it but couldn't.
fickle quarry
why not?
fickle quarry
also, are all symmetra's abilities made of hard-light or only the photon barrier?
iron plume
Governments could've denied patent enforcement for the sake of defense projects in the omnic crisis
basically saying "no, you can't restrict it, because we need that shit so that everyone doesn't die"
fickle quarry
you mean OR-15?
fickle quarry
basically saying "no, you can't restrict it, because we need that shit so that e...
makes sense
iron plume
That wasn't from OR-15, it was a custom arm that Efi put on the frame after
peak escarp
no, Orisa - after she was rebuilt
fickle quarry
okay
iron plume
Governments could've denied patent enforcement for the sake of defense projects ...
But again I don't think that's what actually happened
fickle quarry
did OR-15 have barriers?
peak escarp
here's the full context
iron plume
This is all 'informed speculation' territory but Vishkar feels like a post-crisis company to me
we know they made it big post-crisis but not if they were around before too
fickle quarry
here's the full context
thanks
cosmic crest
They do seem like the type of company that would try to hoard such a technology to themselves though
iron plume
oh definitely
fickle quarry
i don't see anything like barrier shoot thing on or15 or in their pieces
iron plume
but I don't think they made hard light in general
and yes the barrier is new on Orisa too
peak escarp
they might have patents on some things, but trying to patent hard light as a whole would be like trying to patent the car
iron plume
I mean that definitely happened
peak escarp
I mean, patenting it after it already exists
fickle quarry
why did numbani military guys replace head guns of OR14 with those useless horns on OR15? it looks like decreasing firepower, why would they do that?
peak escarp
Lucio does mentioned that the core tech of his sonic gun is "owned and patented by Vishkar"
iron plume
because OR14 were war machines made by malfunctioning omniums for a destruction of humanity
while OR15 were supposed to be like police
fickle quarry
like military police
iron plume
no like police police
cosmic crest
They probably wanted them to look less intimidating to the public
iron plume
yes
cosmic crest
And that many guns would have been excessive
iron plume
and supposedly didn't need as much firepower
fickle quarry
okay that does make sense
iron plume
they weren't made to tackle doomfist, they were basically support for the regular law enforcement
fickle quarry
well, if they restarted OR15 programm now, would they add guns because of doomfist attack?
iron plume
I think they'd take the page out of efi's book and add more movement control measures
rather than straight up firepower
fickle quarry
i mean, those machines were hard to fight in the archive event, i think a couple of them would easily kill doomfist, even with a gauntlet
and how exactly does damage boosting work? is it like nanobots that shoot with the bullet or what?
iron plume
It might not be canon in the same form at all
fickle quarry
i understand how baptiste's matrix works
cosmic crest
I don't know about Orisa, but for Mercy and Ana it's probably like an adrenaline shot. It wouldn't make weapons do more damage though.
fickle quarry
but there are mercy's and orisa's blue rays, that increase bullet damage
cosmic crest
In the game, yes
iron plume
again those are probably not canon
iron plume
My speculation is that it's not canon
fickle quarry
not a fun speculation
iron plume
¯_(ツ)_/¯
fickle quarry
okay
orisa's supercharger produces waves that look like soundwaves, and a blue ray comes from a blue ring between two parts of it. When being placed, i sot of opens up and THEN starts boosting damage. that is turning on, that's boring. It is also rotating, and it may be working BECAUSE it is rotating. Mercy's staff is also rotating, maybe for the same reason. if that is the case, it may be distributing nanobots to assure consistent flow of nanobots. i still think that this rays are nanobots that attach to your bullets and deal damage with them.
god it is hard not to be native
iron plume
god it is hard not to be native
I mean I'm not either, comes with practice
some form of a thing attaching to bullets can work but from what we know nanobots aren't a thing in OW
fickle quarry
the fact that we don't hear them in voicelines doesn't mean they don't exist
iron plume
mercy specifically states none of her tech is nanobots in Valkyrie
cosmic crest
Honestly, I think you are taking it's appearence in game too literally. Damage boost is a video game concept, it dosen't have to literally make guns do more damage in cannon.
It could just be a stimulant. It gives people more energy.
fickle quarry
i am a 1 4 year old boy who is always creating some dumb stories in game universes, so i need to make everything clear.
you see? i added a dot in the end, that means i'm serious
fickle quarry
mercy specifically states none of her tech is nanobots in Valkyrie
i remember she did, but i can't find it. can you please specify where?
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iron plume
there are two paid books too but the rest of it is listed on the site
fickle quarry
sorry, i am too lazy to read it all now, but still a qustion from an audince
how does mercy's res work?
fickle quarry
yeah, well that looks like nanobots to me
iron plume
well it isn't
fickle quarry
sorry for refering to another game, but in valorant sage literally bring people back from the dead with radionited jade
how does mercy ressurect someone after, say, pharah's ult?
iron plume
she doesn't
fickle quarry
okay thanks
oh, found something
ana's quote when being boosted by mercy
I'm feeling young again.
maybe she does just encourage people with some hormone thing
cosmic crest
That's what I was saying
fickle quarry
Her eyes brightened and then she flinched like she had
just held her arm too close to a fire. “It might be a little hot,” I said. “Let me know if
it’s too much.”
quote from the story, it states that her healing is a little hot, maybe exactly because of those fluids flowing in your body
or she may lied about nanobots and it would literally explain every her ability
iron plume
There is a fluid flowing through her body, it's just not a fluid with bots
fickle quarry
but IF it were bots, life could have been so much easier...
iron plume
But they aren't.
This isn't informed speculation at this point, you'd be literally contradicting the text
cosmic crest
If nanomachines are a thing in this unnivese, they shouldn't just use them as a crutch to explain everything. The Metal Gear series is infamous for doing that.
iron plume
and I don't really see a reason why pseudo-magic sciency liquid would make things easier if it was pseudo-magic sciency liquid With Bots™
fickle quarry
if there were Bots™, i could explain damage boosting to myself
okay, subject closed
iron plume
damage boosting likely isn't a thing
at least not in Mercy's staff
She has a clearly defined opposition to weaponization of her technology
It has been weaponized against her will by others but she wouldn't put it into her own equipment
cosmic crest
Well yeah, but I think the fact that it mechanilcy makes no sense is the bigger factor.
Stimulating someone isn't going to make their gun do more damage
fickle quarry
her staff rotates the other way and slower when boosting, not healing
iron plume
That's a game design consideration, not a lore one
fickle quarry
maybe it's because it's against her will
this is not logically deep
orisa says Cease your resistance! when ulting, so it's like a final thing she would do, if not amlifying violence would lead to people's or/and her own death
if to imagine real fight, mercy probably won't have time to boost damage
she would be just flying from one injured guy to another
if i understand correctly, new canon look is from ow2?
wooden sleet
How exactly does echo fly
fickle quarry
The same way mercy does, i think it's something about superconductors
Or just straught up defying gravity
fickle quarry
Well yeah, but how does that tech work exactly?
I am think it's high-temperature superconductors
cunning ledge
We will likely never know
iron plume
overwatch isn't a hard sci-fi universe
it (mostly) has consistent rules with the concepts it introduces, but they're not scientifically explained or realistic
cunning ledge
I do wonder what echo is made out of and how, given that her wings can bend and flex though
It's an interesting design
cosmic crest
Blizzard isn't about to give us written essays on the mechanics of how some of this sci-fi tech works.
Although I wouldn't mind if they went into it a little bit.
Weapon bios and such
cunning ledge
Sigma short story that's just his research papers on various technology in the universe
What I've always wondered is what the heck pulse weapons are, given that our only two examples of it are weird unique one-off models that work completely differently to each other
fickle quarry
What are they?
cunning ledge
Soldier: 76 has a "heavy pulse rifle" and tracer has "pulse pistols"
The former is a prototype and the latter seems to be custom made
But they have very different accuracy, magazine sizes, reload mechanism, etc
cosmic crest
I always thought that Tracer's pulse pistols wre pure energy wepons while Soldier's pulse rifle is a hybrid weapon of sorts. It has the same blue muzzle flash as Tracer's guns, but it's sound design is closer to that of a ballistic weapon. I imagine it is loaded with conventional bullets that are sort of "infused" with pulse energy to increase stopping power.
cunning ledge
I like that theory
The firing sound is also overlaid with an electrical whine that changes pitch as you run out of ammo
So that supports that idea
cosmic crest
Yeah
fickle quarry
I think, that all tracer tech is made by winston, and soldier gun is just a typical gun that was given to everyone. I like to believe that tracer's pistols are powered by her time problem energy, i have no idea how that would work, but winston is a smart one, he'd think how
cosmic crest
Soldier's rifle is a prototype that he stole from a former Overwatch facility
cunning ledge
Soldier's gun is explicitly a prototype that was hidden in a secure base
Probably not a common piece of tech
fickle quarry
So, soldier's gun was supposed to be just a weapon, but omnic crisis ended, and everyone forgot about it
That's my theory
cunning ledge
The tracer gun theory isn't uncommon, because it does that spinny circle thing and also is blue
The idea that it "rewinds" the energy or ammunition back into the gun is kind of fun
cunning ledge
Yeah lol
fickle quarry
If she just rewinded ammo into the gun, then what would happen to the bullets inside enemy?
Again, winston is a smart one
cosmic crest
Her guns don't really shoot "bullets"
cunning ledge
They probably don't fire physical rounds yeah
fickle quarry
I mean those things that are being fired
cunning ledge
There's also no actual evidence for the theory
Just a fun idea that sounds like a wacky weapon concept they could use
fickle quarry
I think that it's just some plasma that is being energised using potential energy of her unhappenning timeshifting
cunning ledge
It could also literally just be a battery that recharges
fickle quarry
That seems the simplest solution and the most probable one
cunning ledge
It has some similarities to winston's weapon and its reload
fickle quarry
I've got a better one. How does zenyatta work? There's a dialog between him and mercy where he says that (not quoting) "we should rely on faith more". Does he just pray for you so you live? How his projectiles work? Where does he get infinite spheres?
fickle quarry
Okay, we still got the rest of the message
cunning ledge
Probably none of his game abilities are canon
cunning ledge
The voice line likely alludes to his abilities not ever being explained
fickle quarry
Yeah, but what is faith in overwatch?
fickle quarry
How does trancendence even theoretically work?
cunning ledge
It doesn't
fickle quarry
Yeah okay
cunning ledge
There were mentions of "omnic energy" in the past
cosmic crest
Could just be hard light
fickle quarry
I can understand mercy's boost now, but whole zen's kit is just senseless. He shouldn't even be at the battlefield
Just why is that monk not praying
iron plume
because he's a warrior monk
but he's not really on any battlefields in lore
He fights to protect people of his village if attacked but he doesn't seek out trouble
cosmic crest
I don't really agree to the notion that none of his abilites are cannon. He will likely appear in cannon missions in OW 2
iron plume
that hand sure is a cannon
also, Zenyatta doesn't say you should rely on faith
Mercy: Zenyatta, I must admit, I do not understand how your healing works.
Zenyatta: And I do not understand much of how you heal, Dr. Ziegler. I suppose we must all take some things on faith.
fickle quarry
I said not quoting
iron plume
"take something on faith" means "trust it without seeking an explanation"
I know you weren't quoting
I said you interpreted it incorrectly
He doesn't say his healing is because of his faith
cunning ledge
We know that his meditation practices involve various 'orbs' (harmony, discord, perception)
And two of those are represented as abilities
iron plume
his primary is called orb of destruction too
cunning ledge
Good point
Guess you meditate with that one by throwing it around or something lol
fickle quarry
I'm actually intrigued by the "And I do bot understand much of how you heal, Dr. Ziegler." What is that supposed to mean? In the story, mercy were ready to explain her staff to a little girl, but a monk omnic who can't understand it? He is either dumb or just strangely different
fickle quarry
Guess you meditate with that one by throwing it around or something lol
At other people, why not
iron plume
He's saying he doesn't know the intricacies of it
and he doesn't need to
I doubt Mercy would actually explain the complete process in scientific detail to that little girl
Also, as an aside
I can't help but feel that the line was put in specifically to poke fun at this exact kind of discussion
cunning ledge
It definitely was
cosmic crest
Most people wouldn't know how Mercy's healing works because her research was never distributed on a large scale
fickle quarry
But as any scientific paper, it was published and may be viewed
iron plume
In the words of Todd Howard (PBUH),
It just works
fickle quarry
That very line explains the whole game
fickle quarry
How does damage boosting work? It just works
peak escarp
it's soft science fiction
iron plume
peak escarp
they dont give explanations for tech in soft scifi
iron plume
Don't fully agree with their delivery there but I do like the overall point
cunning ledge
Part of the idea is that he's a machine, constructed for a specific purpose, but he found his own purpose instead. The intricacies of how exactly things work aren't relevant to him any more
iron plume
Not the point.
peak escarp
I think that arthur pumps his tires
you mean Alfred
fickle quarry
I knew it
iron plume
also that
cunning ledge
I was trying to work out who the hell Arthur was
fickle quarry
I knew i messed up
cosmic crest
It's fine to speculate about how most of this sci-fi tech works, but we aren't owed explanations form Blizzard
fickle quarry
I was trying to remember Batman's name for like 15 seconds
iron plume
but then when we do get explanations don't go "actually nah"
peak escarp
things like hard light, Zen's healing and the Shimada dragons will probably never get explained because it isnt important to the story how they work
fickle quarry
It's fine to speculate about how most of this sci-fi tech works, but we aren't *...
That and "It just works" can replace this whole channel
iron plume
This channel, by and large, is not about technical explanations of abilities
cunning ledge
There will probably be a cutscene in ow2 where zen heals a guy and we're just gonna have to deal with it
fickle quarry
But that two
peak escarp
this channel is more about what and why, not how
fickle quarry
There will probably be a cutscene in ow2 where zen heals a guy and we're just go...
At least we could find something new about his abilities
iron plume
also who and where
cunning ledge
I'd almost prefer we didn't find out about his abilities
iron plume
it'll always be disappointing if we do
cunning ledge
There are many things I would like explained but that is not one of them
fickle quarry
also who and where
Then i have a question. Who created crusader's armor in the first place? Was it torb?
Or just some guy?
peak escarp
it's like a magician - even if you know it's just sleight of hand and trickery, actually knowing the trick ruins the illusion
iron plume
Well it wasn't Torb no
cosmic crest
They could explain Zen's abilities if they wanted to. I honestly never understood why it was such a big deal.
iron plume
it was someone from the German army research most likely
cunning ledge
Rein's OW1 armour has the name of a company (J08) on it
fickle quarry
Okay, some guy it is
iron plume
Overwatch wasn't a thing yet so torb wouldn't have the reason to work with them yet
cunning ledge
But we don't know if the original crusader armour was the same
fickle quarry
Overwatch wasn't a thing yet so torb wouldn't have the reason to work with them ...
Why not? Rein is Brigitte godfather, right?
cunning ledge
Fun fact, the battering ram on eichenwalde is made by the same company
iron plume
...yes
fickle quarry
I think they would meat before overwatch
iron plume
but Brigitte happened after the omnic crisis
peak escarp
he became her godfather after the crisis
iron plume
rein and torb met in overwatch
cosmic crest
I feel like it's possible that in the OW unniverse the crusaders have been around for centuries, their numbers dwindling with time.
The crisis took the lives of most of the ones who remianed
fickle quarry
Yes, but being a godfather is sort of a big deal, and I don't think he'd let just a friend to become this much of a person
iron plume
OW's point of divergence is after 2016
fickle quarry
So it's either saving his life or being friends before
iron plume
You can become good friends with someone pretty damn quickly
peak escarp
I feel like it's possible that in the OW unniverse the crusaders have been aroun...
what, like the knights templar?
iron plume
especially in wartime
fickle quarry
So, saving life it is
limpid agate
So it's either saving his life or being friends before
It's both
iron plume
Brigitte is 23, the omnic crisis started ~30 years before present
limpid agate
But we were explicitly told the former
iron plume
That's plenty of time
fickle quarry
Solved
peak escarp
this implies that Ingrid knows Reinhardt too, so they were at least acquaintances before White Dome
balmy imp
has Mercy's self regeneration been confirmed in canon?
cosmic crest
I don't think it's been mentoined directly, but we can assume her suit can administer biotic healing to herself just as she can use it to give a burst of healing to someoe else, or how Baptiste can perform regenerative burst.
old solstice
Amelie was turned into Widowmaker before or after Blackwatch was disbanded?
cosmic crest
Before
old solstice
Ty
balmy imp
I don't think it's been mentoined directly, but we can assume her suit can admin...
thanks
twilit nacelleBOT
earnest hemlock
@peak escarp have you considering making a map?
limpid agate
What do you mean by a map
limber gate
I think he means of the universe
limpid agate
Its literally our world
The only new countries we know of are Numbani and Kurjikstan
Numbani is around Ghana and Nigeria
Kurjikstan is presumably around Kyrgyzstan and Taijikistan
peak escarp
<@!207741110838231042> have you considering making a map?
what do you mean by map? Overwatch is set on Earth
earnest hemlock
what do you mean by map? Overwatch is set on Earth
i mean where numbani eichenwalde etc are in proximity to everything
idk
earnest hemlock
Numbani is around Ghana and Nigeria
this is what i wanted to know most though
so thanks
limpid agate
In this range
The red marker is on Black Forest
Eichenwalde is a fictional city somewhere between that dot and Stuttgart
Country for scale
peak escarp
now that you mention it, I'm not really sure where Ecopoint: Antarctica is
aside from the obvious
Antarctica is a big continent
Route 66 is confirmed to be in Arizona
King's Row is in London
Hanamura is in Tokyo
most of the other maps are named after their real-world location
the new Toronto map is Queen Street in (downtown?) Toronto
Circuit Royal is the Circuit de Monaco in Monte Carlo
and Colosseo is around the Colosseum amphitheater in Rome
limpid agate
Its based on this part of Toronto
The shops match Dundas near identically
The landmarks are on Queen
And the subway station spawns are on King
Its a mix of those 3 streets
limber gate
most of the other maps are named after their real-world location
what about lijiang?
earnest gazelle
what about lijiang?
I think that may be located in china
opaque scroll
I think that may be located in china
it is
limber gate
I think that may be located in china
I know, but where in China?
limpid agate
On the river li
earnest gazelle
As far as I'm aware there isn't an actual location named Lijiang tower in China though it may be based off of somewhere there
twilit nacelleBOT
topaz ledge
is there any mention of a spear in hero of numbani
worthy rose
I don't think ability reworks will be in lore, at least not yet
- if the orisa rework is what you're referring to
cloud robin
Well. I think in Devupdate they didnt say the javelin is a spear. It could be a missile. 😄
But the leak tells its a spear. Orisa wielding a spear sounds odd, when considering her primary function.
Therefore she needs a bit of story development.
Its possible that they start releasing some storycontent when/before beta starts, to give us more grasp of soujourn and possible other characters.
topaz ledge
exciting
opaque scroll
Well. I think in Devupdate they didnt say the javelin is a spear. It could be a ...
Javelins are basically just spears that are designed more towards throwing so it's probably just a mix
cunning ledge
funnily enough her summer games spray did have a javelin in it
so they could have had the idea for a while
opaque scroll
Yeah
cloud robin
Javelins are basically just spears that are designed more towards throwing so it...
I tried refering on something like the FGM-148 Javelin (AAWS-M). An American-made portable anti-tank missile system.
i know what a javelin-spear is, a primary for throwing designed spear. Didn't though about "missile" in english as "thrown object".
Now i wonder about the abilitys described in the leak-article. They are spear-type not javelin type. Maybe they though that javelin sounds more fancy.
opaque scroll
Some African tribes like the Zulu used a weapon that was kind of an inbetween, my guess is that they took inspiration from those.
twilit nacelleBOT
twilit nacelleBOT
worthy rose
This is a weird question but was Widow's eyes always gold colored?
seems like a random thing but idk what her eye color was "as" Lacroix
peak escarp
this is the only image we have of her pre-Widowmaker
I hope we get more of her backstory in the future
worthy rose
? I coulda sworn there's an image of her at an altar
or at her husband's grave
wait the grave is post-Widow prolly
but I swear I remember an altar
worthy rose
man what a great image
peak escarp
I like her coat
worthy rose
Do u remember anything about her and Gerard at an altar or am i making that up
or maybe it was just him there <_<
peak escarp
nope, you're making it up
peak escarp
probably some fanart/fancomic
worthy rose
Do u remember anything about her and Gerard at an altar or am i making that up
Gerard’s widows husband right
limpid agate
Yes
worthy rose
Do u remember anything about her and Gerard at an altar or am i making that up
Oh then ur probably thinking of her and her Gerard at a ball
worthy rose
Oh then ur probably thinking of her and her Gerard at a ball
pic?
Unfortunately I can’t find it rn but when I do Ill send it to u since I don’t got image perms
u da best ty
worthy rose
u da best ty
Np 🦆
twilit nacelleBOT
limpid agate
Oh then ur probably thinking of her and her Gerard at a ball
I dont think we've ever seen that either
worthy rose
No we have
It’s in an art like a comic I believe
Or I have I just can’t seem to fucking find it
limpid agate
That's because it doesn't exist.
worthy rose
Yes it does
limpid agate
The only comic Gerard was in was Retribution
worthy rose
It
limpid agate
And Amelie wasn't in that
limpid agate
!!shitposting
twilit nacelleBOT
Shitposting will result in a loss of access.
worthy rose
💀
Ah geez, man i better chillll
But Fr tho
I do remember seeing it
I just can’t find it. It exist
You don’t know. I do know
limpid agate
!!lorecomics
twilit nacelleBOT
Comics Series 1:
Train Hopper: https://bit.ly/2vaOY0I
Dragon Slayer: https://bit.ly/2GpRZRk
Going Legit: https://bit.ly/2InZUkm
A Better World: https://bit.ly/2DeJGpK
Mission Statement: https://bit.ly/2UFLC5o
Destroyer: https://bit.ly/2XcYZ9G
Legacy: https://bit.ly/2DgM1jQ
Old Soldiers: https://bit.ly/2KLILTV
Junkenstein: https://bit.ly/2Is3WZ4
Reflections: https://bit.ly/2IoZQkr
Binary: https://bit.ly/2IzNvJy
Uprising: https://bit.ly/2UCymhE
Masquerade: https://bit.ly/2IzNTI0
Wasted Land: https://bit.ly/2DeKB9G
Searching: https://bit.ly/2Gh3jy6
Retribution: https://bit.ly/2XePmHG
Tracer - London Calling:
#1: https://bit.ly/3mknXBx
#2: https://bit.ly/318GEix
#3: https://bit.ly/3lorayj
#4: https://bit.ly/2MTe3JM
#5: https://bit.ly/3bD4dVi
Cassidy - New Blood:
#1: https://bit.ly/3wJqcnL
#2: https://bit.ly/3ejXkd0
#3: https://bit.ly/3fbBwB3
#4: https://bit.ly/3B9zLOE
#5: https://bit.ly/3iaM0lB
Mini-Comics:
Return of Junkenstein: https://bit.ly/2Gqp7Z8
Yeti Hunt: https://bit.ly/2VPmxRI
limpid agate
Here are all the comics
The only one Gerard appears in is Retribution.
The only ones Widowmaker appears in are Legacy (after Gerard was kileld), Reflections (as a cameo at his grave), and Masquerade (no mention of Gerard.) Also London Calling, but that is 1:1 just Alive.
worthy rose
It probably wasn’t a comic but merely overwatch art
limpid agate
There is also a shot in Uprising that implies its talking about the death of Gerard, but that was never confirmed
Whatever you're looking for is just fan art
worthy rose
It wasn’t fan art bc it was that overwatch art style
limpid agate
You can try looking for it, but I'm fairly positive it doesn't exist.
worthy rose
I’m trying but not really
Only reason I’m not giving up Is because overwatch official art has that texture and style a specific one and that photo had it
peak escarp
it's not hard to copy the Overwatch art style
even Nesskain and Bengal , who work for Blizzard and have done official Overwatch art, have done fanart that isn't considered canon
like this
old solstice
Do u remember anything about her and Gerard at an altar or am i making that up
yes, the spray
limpid agate
yes, the spray
The spray was posted above the comment you replied to. There is no altar, it's just a wedding photo
limber gate
like this
that doesn't make sense at all, I don't think tracer can take her device off without "ceasing" her own existence
peak escarp
that doesn't make sense at all, I don't think tracer can take her device off wit...
she takes it off in Reflections and London Calling
limber gate
so she didn't need it
iron plume
It needs to be nearby
possibly the thing it hangs on in her home also boosts the range
lavish cradle
Yeah that confuses me too I don't understand how she can take it off
peak escarp
lavish cradle
Maybe the artists made mistakes lol
iron plume
If she couldn't take it off she also couldn't change clothes or like
shower
peak escarp
she has a charger/cradle for it in her apartment that probably boosts its range
lavish cradle
That's a good point
iron plume
In the bengal ship one, possibly
But in the comics it's very deliberately placed
it's not a mistake
limber gate
If she couldn't take it off she also couldn't change clothes or like
shower
it might be waterproof
peak escarp
that's by Bengal, not Nesskain
iron plume
oh right
lavish cradle
I wonder how the boosted range effects Emily and others who don't need it.
iron plume
it might be waterproof
You need to take the clothes out from below it even if it is
peak escarp
and it was drawn long before it was revealed that Tracer can take it off
iron plume
It's not a "Tony stark heart magnet" kind of situation
limber gate
I just imagined that it would be
iron plume
She just has to be in range of the projected effects
limber gate
since it's the thing that anchors her to the world, I figured that she wouldn't really be able to take it off
like, I just thought winston strapped it to thin air and she appeared
but apparently I was wrong
limber gate
ahhh kk
iron plume
which begs the question of why wouldn't she put it under her armor but rule of cool trumps all
worthy rose
oh speaking of
who had the first lore cinematic or story to be released?
Tracer or Soldier right?
peak escarp
Tracer
hers was shown at Blizzcon 2014, when the game was announced
Soldier's came out the following year
iron plume
same blizzcon as the cinematic trailer
worthy rose
ohh okay tyty
after soldier was prolly reaper or smth
interesting to see the timeline on who gets more lore and when
scenic niche
Wasn't the attack on the museum the first one?
iron plume
that would be the cinematic trailer
Reaper doesn't have an origin story video
Only Tracer, Soldier and the post-launch heroes do
scenic niche
Reaper makes up for it by reappearing a lot
peak escarp
Reaper and Tracer have appeared in the most lore
scenic niche
Really?
worthy rose
yeah we have a list
peak escarp
which makes sense, considering she's one of the main protagonists and he's one of the main antagonists
scenic niche
And that was him vs Genji right
worthy rose
ye, Dragons
scenic niche
Ye that one
peak escarp
scenic niche
Oh yeah reaper was in recall
worthy rose
Zenyatta, Lucio, and Wrecking ball are once too holy shit
grand wedge
Wasn't the attack on the museum the first one?
Mondatta assasination first, then the museum
scenic niche
Mondatta assasination first, then the museum
I meant cinematics
Pretty sure the assassination was after that
grand wedge
Oh I was talking in universe timeline ^^
scenic niche
Well I mean then bastion would probably be first
grand wedge
Yes
scenic niche
Or well uprising
grand wedge
Bastion awoke a very long time ago
peak escarp
it happened around 15 years ago
peak escarp
at least 5 years
the earliest we see her is in Code of Violence, which happened a year after the Swiss Base explosion
peak escarp
she was 25 at the time and an annoying little shit
worthy rose
lool
peak escarp
yes
the earliest we see him as a member is around Retribution [8 years ago], when he was still apprenticed to Akinjide Adeyemi, the second Doomfist
Akande Ogundimu is the third and current Doomfist
scenic niche
And the strongest one yet
cosmic crest
she was 25 at the time ~~and an annoying little shit~~
Implying that she is not still presently an annoying little shit
worthy rose
god i love sombra
peak escarp
Widowmaker has been in Talon since around the time of Uprising [7 years ago]
scenic niche
Reaper joined the year before Code of Violence right? Or has he only been in Talon 5 Years
peak escarp
I suppose you could consider his "join date" as when Moira saved his life after the explosion
so 6 years ago
scenic niche
So yeah
twilit nacelleBOT
worn island
So how long had bastion been reactivated when torbjorn found him?
limpid agate
I think it was roughly 20 years
worn island
Oh sheesh i was under the impression that it was like 1
worn island
when i first read binary i thought that maybe bastion would do some damage because he recently reactivated and was still getting used to not wanting to kill stuff
limpid agate
No it was at least a decade later
worn island
but he would've gone through a lot of stuff with ganymede, exploring nature
so he wont ever be a threat?
could he be hacked or manipulated by null sector?
would he have some mixed feelings about helping out overwatch through their missions against his kind?
limpid agate
Omnics have been hacked by Sombra in the past.
But its not total manipulation like you might think
peak escarp
I don't think Bastion would have any emotional attachment to others of its kind
limpid agate
Also, Bastion isn't the only omnic to be fighting omnics.
We can see in Zero Hour that there is an omnic reporter under siege
Zenyatta is an ally (at least vs Talon)
And Orisa is also implied to join us
worn island
Well bastion is an omnic built to kill
even if he doesnt feel that way, he is more similar to the threat
idk
earnest hemlock
is the null sector variant of orisa canon?
cosmic crest
You mean OR14's
peak escarp
OR14s are the model from the crisis
oh
they do call them Or-14s in the Uprising mission
huh
limpid agate
The OR-15s didn't exist until just recently
cosmic orbit
Does Bastion not live with Torb and Brig?
And isn’t his Ai flawed in a way that makes him similar to an Omnic.
Along with tweaks from Torb to prevent him from going kill mode PTSD?
limpid spire
Proabably not to much with Brig, as Brig is squire with Rhein
topaz ledge
yea but bastion is with torb and he gave bastion a hat
iron plume
Bastion does live with Torb in his workshop yea
scenic niche
Hence why he has the workshop hat in OW2
cunning ledge
it's the exact hat from the ironclad skin, pretty fun detail
peak escarp
Bastion is an omnic
topaz ledge
doctor_six knows al the obscure details
peak escarp
not exactly obscure
scenic niche
Bastion is an omnic
peak escarp
does anyone wanna explain me the lore
what do you want to know?
topaz ledge
does anyone wanna explain me the lore
robots! anti-robot fighting group! anti-robot fighting group gets shut donw! robots rise again! anti-robot fighting group assembles again!
scenic niche
But also edgy group is there
glass meadow
robots! anti-robot fighting group! anti-robot fighting group gets shut donw! rob...
NOOOO
glass meadow
what do you want to know?
i know everything now
peak escarp
congrats
topaz ledge
I am now a certified lore expert
peak escarp
topaz ledge
topaz ledge
null sector
scenic niche
Damn he's right
topaz ledge
see? big brain
scenic niche
And the name of the Edgy Group?
topaz ledge
Talon
topaz ledge
do i just have to name some?
well
Moira
Reaper
Doomfist
Widowmaker
Maximillian
Sanjay
Sombra sort of
dim river
sigma
scenic niche
Sombra is a member of talon(?)
dim river
wasn't Baptiste?
topaz ledge
wasn't Baptiste?
he was
topaz ledge
Sombra is a member of talon(?)
she actively works for them at least
dim river
ye but isn't Sigma basically being manipulated by talon to work for them?
scenic niche
I mean that or he returns to a asylum
topaz ledge
yes but he doesn't know what hes doing
scenic niche
Plus he's unstable, not much awareness there
dim river
true true
peak escarp
Sigma wasn't in an asylum
he was quarantined in a government facility
which is where Reaper and Sombra stole him from
Torbjorn has a skin called Deadlock
D.Va has a skin called Junker
tardy summit
which is where Reaper and Sombra stole him from
widow too i believe
scenic niche
No
tardy summit
you can hear a widow shot in the sig origin story
peak escarp
She's also not mentioned in Code of Violence
she is
scenic niche
Is she?
peak escarp
of Talon operatives entered the laboratory.```understand French already, her tone was clear. “Akande promised us a clear
path. I suppose I should thank you for that at least . . . but this mission was too
important to entrust to amateurs.”```she shows up with more Talon agents after Reaper and Sombra reach Sigma and start fighting
iron plume
yeah no
tardy summit
unless...
iron plume
No.
tardy summit
😔
scenic niche
Reaper's son will be a Hero and have to fight his dad
iron plume
Enough shitposting
worthy rose
!!lorefactions
twilit nacelleBOT
Latest known faction affiliations
New Overwatch:
Winston, Tracer, Mei - Pre-Zero Hour
Mercy, Genji, Brigitte, Reinhardt, Echo - Zero Hour
Cassidy, Pharah, Baptiste, Zarya, D.va - Post-New Blood
Lucio, Sojourn, Bastion, Orisa - (presumably) During OW2 campaign
Were in old OW, still good guys, but not joining:
Soldier, Ana - Doing their own thing
Torbjorn - Presumably retired from action
Talon:
Doomfist, Reaper, Moira - On leader council
Widowmaker, Sombra, Sigma
The rest:
Ashe - Deadlock Gang leader
Symmetra - Vishkar employee
Junkrat, Roadhog - Independent, ex-Junkers
Wrecking Ball - Independent, maybe ex-Junker
Hanzo - Independent, ex-Shimada Clan
Zenyatta - Independent, ex-Shambali
limpid agate
That's a new one
iron plume
could come in handy
balmy imp
does everyone from old Overwatch know that Widowmaker is Amelie?
iron plume
No, only Ana and Soldier do
Ana 'died' before she could tell anyone about it
And Soldier's the only one she talked to after her fakeout
It's possible she told Mercy off-screen in which case the others in new OW would know too
But we don't know that
balmy imp
would Moira and Reaper know? or it just can't be assumed because it was never confirmed?
iron plume
Oh right they do too
balmy imp
oh okay
iron plume
Didn't really count them as old OW but I suppose I should've
Moira calls her 'Lacroix' in one of their interactions
balmy imp
yeah I guess that was on my question too lol
iron plume
Reaper would know how she looks, same as Ana
balmy imp
alright thanks
cosmic crest
Moira was potentially involved with her reconditioning
balmy imp
that would mean she was with Talon before she left Blackwatch, right?
iron plume
no
There was a stage where Widow was conditioned to take on Talon missions but not yet turned into a sniper (or blue)
Which is when she killed Gerard
balmy imp
okay
iron plume
Moira was potentially involved with the second part, which happened after she was exiled from OW/BW
balmy imp
so does that leave the possibilityof both of betrayal and no betrayal on Moira's part?
iron plume
yes, we don't know how exactly that unfolded
balmy imp
right ty
tardy summit
Ana 'died' before she could tell anyone about it
And Soldier's the only one she ...
Didn't she meet Cass in that one comic
cosmic crest
She could of told him about it him about it.
iron plume
Cass is in the same situation as Mercy
Could have told him but we haven't seen her
limpid agate
The only thing they should all know is about Reyes
Ana could have said nothing about Amelie and its excusable
But everyone should know about Reyes by this point
cosmic crest
Yeah. Reaper's identity is pretty critical information considering his main mission is trying to kill all of them, and she'd have no reason not to tell them
scenic niche
Well what do they get out of knowing Reyes is Reaper? Other than like informing his family
peak escarp
Reyes knew personal details about them
peak escarp
yep
scenic niche
What was going on with echo was she just shipped around until Ashe and the Deadlock gang destroyed the train
scenic niche
Then Deadlock just so happened to hit the train she was in and then Cassidy Activated her again
cosmic crest
Cassidy probably tipped them off about the train
scenic niche
Would make sense, he said "You could never resist a tip"
Or something along those lines
cosmic crest
Either that or it was Sombra
It's likely she was the one to give Cassidy the file on Echo's location
scenic niche
Eh that's less likely. Pretty sure if Sombra knew where Echo was then she would try and hack her herself
cosmic crest
They were shown to be in the same bar around Christmas time in Reflections
Probably not a coincidence
limpid agate
One theory is that Sombra told Cassidy who told Ashe
Cassidy and Sombra were in the same bar on Christmas
And then Cassidy implied that he tipped Ashe
scenic niche
They were shown to be in the same bar around Christmas time in Reflections
True
I mean what if it's both?
peak escarp
the hints point to Cassidy being the one who tipped the gang off to the train
probably using one of the diner patrons so they wouldn't recognize his voice
scenic niche
Sombra told Cassidy about Echos location, to make things interesting. Cassidy knew when the train would pass over the diner but had no real way of bringing it down. Tipped Ashe, they bring it down, he tries getting Echo, then they fight, and so on.
peak escarp
but then Ashe would have recognized his voice as the one who tipped them off when he confronted them
limpid agate
Sure
But he flat out admits it like, 3 lines in
2
McCree: Well, Ashe… *lights cigar*…I’ve been kinda busy.
Ashe: We’re pretty busy ourselves. So it’s awful convenient, you showin’ up today.
McCree: Yeah… You’ve never been one to shy away from a good tip.
my point is, if Ashe knew it was Cassidy tipping them off, she might have suspected a trap
so having someone else make the call keeps her from getting spooked
limpid agate
Yeah but Im suggesting she wouldnt have recongized him immediately
Since its been 20 years
cosmic crest
Sombra told Cassidy about Echos location, to make things interesting. Cassidy kn...
I don't think Sombra would of helped out just to "make things interesting"
She would of had a reason
peak escarp
it's also possible Sombra is the one who has been giving Soldier info on Reaper's movements
scenic niche
Hey, I'm trying to give leeway to the Sombra theory. Honestly it doesn't make sense
peak escarp
it makes sense for Sombra to be playing both sides - whoever comes out on top, she's got allies there
there's opportunity and motive
scenic niche
She has plenty of "friends"
cosmic crest
She might not actually want Talon or Null Sector to succeed with their goals. So she's willing to tip the scales in Overwatch's favour a bit.
peak escarp
allies earned through favors are more reliable than allies earned through blackmail
scenic niche
Whole point of her cinematic that she's not completely with Talon
scenic niche
allies earned through favors are more reliable than allies earned through blackm...
I mean true
scenic niche
She might not actually want Talon or Null Sector to succeed with their goals. So...
I don't think they knew Null Sector was back until Zero Hours but could be wrong
cosmic crest
Sombra would of known
low wharf
so wait what is Cassidy's connection to echo
peak escarp
Talon is working with Null Sector
scenic niche
so wait what is Cassidy's connection to echo
Old friend
peak escarp
so wait what is Cassidy's connection to echo
After thousands of hours in the scientist’s presence, much of Liao’s behaviors (including her speech), were adopted by the Echo robot. This secret that was known by very few, including Blackwatch agent Cole Cassidy, who had, at times, been assigned to guard the scientist.
scenic niche
Talon is working with Null Sector
Are they?
scenic niche
I honestly forgot about storm rising
peak escarp
scenic niche
I haven't played it since it's debut
peak escarp
in Zero Hour, Mei asks "but why are they attacking now?"
Null Sector is attacking now because Doomfist is out of prison and the plan he made with Null Sector 6 years ago can finally be put into motion
scenic niche
And Null Sector has had plenty of time to rebuild their forces
Combined with the variety of Talon Agents that can do damage on their own
topaz ledge
actually, where has null sector built there forces?
cerulean ice
somewhere in uk
opaque scroll
somewhere in uk
Source?
cerulean ice
the whole null sector thing started there
considering uprising
specifically in london but im not sure if they build their forces there
opaque scroll
Huh
Uprising is way after the older part of 'Honor and Glory' which takes place ages ago and Null Sector is already there
Or am I missing something
cerulean ice
if youre referring to the omnic crisis then that wasnt null sector
just a rebellion by omnics
knotty shard
Torb and Widowmaker are the same person.
iron plume
!!shitposting @knotty shard
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lavish cradle
Read the D.Va comic; basically Overwatch heroes helping the MEKA squad.
I liked it. Not my favorite New Blood comic, but it was good.
balmy imp
is Moira considered to be responsible for the fall of Overwatch? was it because her employment was exposed after the Venice incident
topaz ledge
is Moira considered to be responsible for the fall of Overwatch? was it because ...
eh not only moira
topaz ledge
is Moira considered to be responsible for the fall of Overwatch? was it because ...
but she probably helped it
iron plume
It was the domino piece that started it
Venice mission in general was since it uncovered the Blackwatch and turned governments and the public against OW
They still hung on after and even had wins but the vortex was in motion
peak escarp
she's a large part of it, both directly and indirectly
I have a whole theory on it
balmy imp
ty everyone
opaque tundra
That's a pretty good theory
wary crow
then again, for all we know, it was intentional
Moira may have wanted to take overwatch down for talon
for all we know Moira is one of the early supporters of talon
peak escarp
then again, for all we know, it was intentional
Moira may have wanted to take ov...
possibly, but there isn't much evidence of that
worthy rose
Makes sense
wary crow
possibly, but there isn't much evidence of that
what evidence is there that Moira did support talon while she was within overwatch? Im curious if there is any
peak escarp
the Talon snipers we fight in the Retribution and Storm Rising missions seem to have smoke/wraith powers
limpid agate
!!wiki Blackwatch_Dossier
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limpid agate
Also this
Confirms Talon elites are genetically enhanced
And this is from Retribution
topaz ledge
so is it possible that mauga and some others are alo enhanced for more strength/size
limpid agate
We can't say for sure if Mauga is enhanced but yes
The possibility exists
There is nothing in WYLB that expresses Mauga as genetically enhanced, but if he was given the same treatment as the rest of the elites, he could be
peak escarp
he might have been augmented post-WYLB, since he got blown up at the end
cunning ledge
i could see him having some kind of augmentation that integrates with his giant machine guns