I don’t mean with certainty the game will come out. In Spring 2022, it would either be the game or demo. Regardless, it’s only a window of opportunity for Blizzard to release the game. Sadly, that window can be closed or changed
#lore-discussion
past copper
With Activision putting their foot down on Blizzard to stop delaying the game and get it out in 2022, this puts Blizzard in a tough situation to do just that before then. This means to put in efforts to prevent any and all delays
worthy rose
good
broken jewel
They turned McCree from a cowboy into a conservative podcaster 😭
peak escarp
!!shitposting @broken jewel
broken jewel
How is that shit posting?
peak escarp
how is it not?
broken jewel
Cuz everyone was talking about the overwatch 2 redesigns a bit up
peak escarp
he's still a cowboy
broken jewel
I miss his serape. His new cape thing is just weird to me. He used to have this Clint Eastwood vibe but now he looks almost like a fire Marshall.
I love the redesigns wish it had more cloth variety
past copper
I miss his serape. His new cape thing is just weird to me. He used to have this ...
Bro, they’re aging the heroes up 1-2 years. Of course they’re gonna look different. Most of which being armed and ready for a war. McCree is one of them with a what looks like a leather poncho
And we still have several others we have no idea what design changes will come
Strongly hoping Junkrat and Roadhog look badass. They’ve been traveling the world since they got kicked out of Junkertown, so who knows how much they could’ve changed since then
past copper
No way. Gotta keep the heroes silhouettes. That includes the fat
Maybe Junkrat and Roadhog got some new clothes that don’t look like they’ve seen better days. Personally, I think Junkrat would look good with a smoking mohawk and Hog a more intimidating mask with tusks
tacit galleon
Omg tusks would look cool on him!
past copper
Maybe Roadhog could have tusks on his mask and let his hair out and grow long to his shoulders to make him look like a wild boar. He keeps the pig themed appearance and looks more menacing
mortal rock
that’s actually a really good idea
past copper
Yeah it is. Make Roadhog look like a wild hog when he charges in ready to blow through the competition with his trusty shotgun
worthy rose
roadhog letting his hair down would look really cool and would feel fresh cause its not really something he has done before
past copper
Yup. I’m not saying like long to his waste. Long like to his upper back and uncombed to look spiky
worthy rose
like a mullet?
past copper
I was thinking more like something that looks big around the head, but then thins out towards the back? Think like Madara Uchiha’s hair
Though, Roadhog with a mullet doesn’t sound impossible to believe
compact cobalt
I don’t think junkrat cares about his hair and clothes considering his hair is always burning
past copper
Well, I’d imagine Junkrat would probably have his hair tied back now or maybe he lost his tuff on top of his head, leaving him half bald. This would have the added befit of making his hair on the sides resemble rat ears
I kinda think that Junkrat probably would traded up his rusty prosthetic limbs for some newer ones. Through his and Hog’s own means anyway. I’d also think they trade up their raggedy old clothes for new ones too. Though, with their own personal touches to them.
lyric sluice
what are they changing mcrees name to
peak escarp
what are they changing mcrees name to
we don't know yet
past copper
what are they changing mcrees name to
We don’t know. I’m sure we’ll find out by the end of September
peak escarp
we probably won't know until November, when we get the delayed story arc
past copper
It all really depends. Either with patch notes or limited events
Whichever comes first
peak escarp
they're not going to reveal it in a patch note
past copper
Well, I didn’t think a name change would be a big deal, but I guess it depends on how big an announcement they want to make it for everyone to hear about
lyric sluice
we don't know yet
ok thanks
lyric sluice
We don’t know. I’m sure we’ll find out by the end of September
ok thanks
timid eagle
Maybe Roadhog could have tusks on his mask and let his hair out and grow long to...
Bet you a hundred bucks they won't change their designs all that much (if at all), and will look about the same.
past copper
Bet you a hundred bucks they won't change their designs all that much (if at all...
That’s a suckers bet. For you at least. Junk and Hog have a lot to work with.
timid eagle
It's because of the whole Mad Max thing, right?
past copper
Kinda, but it’s because unlike everyone else, they’re the only two with less detail to work with. They already hit Reinhardt, Pharah, and Reaper. Now they have to do something with Orisa and Brigitte.
peak escarp
it's not going to be McCloud
leaden frost
worthy rose
Maybe they could have a "cover up" name assigned by Overwatch once he rejoins them in OW2 as a way to implement it into lore
if he "rejoins" them.
peak escarp
we already know he rejoins them
worthy rose
I've seen the clips where he is with the other heroes, wasn't too sure if he was officially rejoining Overwatch or just helping out with missions
peak escarp
worthy rose
aye
I hope they give a reason for the name change in the story instead of it suddenly just "no longer McCree"
peak escarp
I assume they will, that's why they're delaying the story arc
to write it in
otherwise they could have just dropped a name on us when they announced it
mortal rock
I hope they don’t just retcon it and give it a real reason
white cobalt
Who is running in front of winston? Soldier?
peak escarp
Sojourn
leaden frost
What even happened to mcCree??
peak escarp
long story short, he was named after a dev, that dev was involved in as sexual harassment lawsuit at Blizzard, that dev no longer works for the company as a result - the OW team decided it is inappropriate to have a hero named after a suspected sexual harasser, so they're renaming McCree
leaden frost
long story short, he was named after a dev, that dev was involved in as sexual h...
Oh damn that's not good at all
peak escarp
this name change will also come with a new story arc involving McCree
worthy rose
Its a really stupid reason lol
peak escarp
I think it's justified
worthy rose
But Mccree is a cool name
Also we dont even know for sure if he actually did it hes just suspected of doing it
peak escarp
it's also bad in general to name characters after real people
limpid agate
That's not worth discussing or debating.
Whether or not it is a good reason or justified isn't worth the discussion.
The fact is, its happening.
McCree is being renamed
worthy rose
K
limpid agate
The only thing we can hope for is that its not handled terribly
Its is very likely that it will be handled terribly though.
There is no clean way to handle this. The simplest is to fall back on Joel Morricone since that name already exists and was speculated to be McCree's alter ego.
But then you jeopardize any story that you would want to tell with McCree in it that's set at any time between Deadlock Rebels and Uprising
Potentially further past Uprising
As he went by Jesse McCree during his tenure in Overwatch
And Ashe knew him as Jesse McCree up until his arrest
It is worth noting that the only people in the present to refer to him as McCree knew him from the past.
So they can say he's been going by Joel Morricone for the past few years.
worthy rose
Sorry if this is the wrong place to ask but.. Is Tracer, London Calling.. Deadlock Rebels, Numbani and the comics in the Anthology book the only physical copies? Or can you get for example.. The Valkyrie short in physical format? Or will these be included in the new extended version of the Anthology book that's being released soon? Thanks, and sorry of this is the wrong section.
peak escarp
I think they might be part of the extended Anthology?
Collects Overwatch Anthology volume 1 with seven new stories added.
those 7 new stories could be Masquerade, Wasted Land, Searching, Retribution, Bastet, WYLB and Valkyrie
or they could be Masquerade, Wasted Land, Searching, Retribution, Return of Junkenstein, Yeti Hunt and ??? (there's only 6 comics listed that aren't in the first anthology)
mortal rock
Sorry if this is the wrong place to ask but.. Is Tracer, London Calling.. Deadlo...
i’m not sure the whole anthology thing isn’t really clear to me
lyric sluice
this name change will also come with a new story arc involving McCree
wait is the novel that just came out still canon?
what abt reunion is that retconned too?
HOW MUCH ARE THEY CHANGING
peak escarp
they're not retconning anything
Reunion and Deadlock Rebels and Retribution are still canon
they're just going to change his name going forward
which means updating the game (hero UI, voice lines, etc.) to reflect the new name
valid terrace
It also means we probably won't see any more content for McCree before he left Overwatch
Since it's not a retcon
He might make cameos but he won't be in any more situations where he's referred to by his old name
worthy rose
wha
i just hope that give him a cowboy name
like
andy
or dustin
or some shit like that
worthy rose
I just got a spray yesterday that says the names mcree. Not for long it isn't. They'll have to change sprays and other character voicelines with him won't they.
topaz ledge
Whatever you heard it's not going to be joel
worthy rose
literally nobody knows yet
worthy rose
i thought it was gonna be carl
limpid agate
!!shitposting
twilit nacelleBOT
Shitposting will result in a loss of access.
peak escarp
we probably won't know until November
rancid egret
i hope it’ll be a nickname instead of a full blown new name
cosmic crest
Not really relevant to the channel.
mortal rock
I hope they don’t just retcon it and it actually has a reason to change
(in lore reason ofc)
outer sparrow
!!goldgun
worthy rose
Joel Morricone aint a bad name at all at least
not as good as jesse ofc but not horrible
BTW what anthalogy are yall talking about?
worthy rose
i love yall sm
thank you imma buy it immediately
Like this is LITERALLY what I always wanted out of OW physical meddia
great shit
mortal rock
https://www.amazon.com/Overwatch-Anthology-Expanded-Matt-Burns/dp/1506726690
I might have to cop that tbh
topaz ledge
there's an expanded version of the Overwatch Anthology coming out in December
Oh boi
Does anyone know when another animation is coming out?
peak escarp
probably not until OW2
queen sail
Sounds probable
mortal rock
I would say at bliz con we get soujorn short or maybe a new character but I doubt it
past copper
I’m actually curious to know what happened on that one mission Reinhardt had messed up on
The one mentioned in Uprising
limpid agate
That was Bastet, and it was because it was a stealth mission.
And as we all know...
Mercy: Keep quiet. We don't want to attract any unnecessary attention.
Reinhardt: COME OUT, YOU BASTARDS! I'LL FIGHT THE LOT OF YOU!
To be fair, that was Jack’s fault for thinking an 8 ft tall armored and bodacious man could go on a stealth mission.
timid eagle
To be fair, that was Jack’s fault for thinking an 8 ft tall armored and bodaciou...
It honestly sounds like a "No, duh!" decision, but why Jack thought Reinhardt would be fit for a stealth mission is anyone's guess.
past copper
IKR. Was literally nobody else available? I mean, seriously? They got people like Gabriel and probably 50 other agents that were trained in stealth and Jack chooses the one man out everyone who is known for being loud and reckless?
I can’t help wondering if this was around the time Rein first joined and was begging Jack for a mission since his skills aren’t always required 😂
peak escarp
I assume he'd at least take his armor off
past copper
Also, hope to see Mauga in OW2. He looks awesome and while I’m reading Baptiste’s short story, I’m trying to think of who he would sound like
Either Dwayne Johnson or Beau Billingslea
past copper
We do need more Talon agents and the only ones we have to go on are Mauga, Nguyen, and Sanjay
primal sapphire
He is my 2nd favourite behind Andy Murray
limber swan
I have a question
Why did tracer's bullets do no damage to doomfist?
or not make him flinch?
The dude was half naked
past copper
He’s got prosthetic enhancements. Realistically, weak hits or shots probably wouldn’t do much to him. Hits with some serious force behind them would probably be more effective against him. Case in point being that Winston was the one who beat him after Tracer and Genji were down
limpid agate
We do need more Talon agents and the only ones we have to go on are Mauga, Nguye...
Sanjay isn't an agent.
limpid agate
Why did tracer's bullets do no damage to doomfist?
You can see that there looks to be some kind of invisible shield around him
cosmic crest
Maybe the kinetic energy he builds with his gauntlet is used to power a personal shield.
past copper
Now that you show that though, I’m scared about gameplay in OW2 now, because they’re probably gonna buff that.
past copper
On the other hand though, that means Doom can be a boss in story
limpid agate
Not the gameplay channel
worthy rose
Doomfist as a boss.....just imagine fighting a Doomfist 1v1 but he has no cooldowns...sheesh
cosmic crest
Sounds really lame tbh
Like one of those custom game modes.
I don't think any playable heroes will appear as bosses.
past copper
No, sounds terrifying. I’m sure he has cool downs as a boss, but the biggest pain in the ass would be his temporary shield.
worthy rose
I imagine if playable characters would be bosses, their movesets would be changed to fit with the lore and not their gameplay counterparts
past copper
He’s already a beast in game. How much worse can he be in story as a boss? Probably “level a skyscraper” worse
Well, heroes in Talon would have to be bosses. I don’t think it would make much sense if you could play the very people you’re supposed to be fighting against in the story.
peak escarp
fighting a hero as a boss would be kinda boring - you dont get to actually kill them, they'd just get away in the end
past copper
As far as we know, it’s not clear if this is the outcome or not. The only thing we have to go on is Widowmaker and Sombra’s mission in India. Does that mean they’re bosses? We can only wait to know for sure
peak escarp
they're probably just there for the cutscenes
I doubt you actually get to fight them
but what I mean is, they're not going to have you canonically kill Doomfist in a mission
if you fight him, he'd either escape or get captured when his health bar runs out
worthy rose
No character who is a hero is gonna die, whether you think that's good or bad is up to you
It just be weird if a hero who is canonically dead, be playable and acting like nothing happened when you go right over the PvP
past copper
Well, I don’t really see Overwatch killing people. But that all depends on how dark can you make this futuristic world? They did say there would be character(s) deaths, but that’s unclear as to who or how
peak escarp
they did say that if a hero died in canon, they'd remain playable
they don't want to remove any heroes from the game
worthy rose
Max will probably get snuffed by Doomfist
As far as Heroes...Rein and Soilder I can see biting za dust
past copper
You gotta look at this way though. Prison can’t hold Doomfist, as he so kindly demonstrated. What prison could possibly hold Reaper? He can turn into smoke and fade out. Sigma, that’s up in the air, but I don’t think a prison could hold him either.
worthy rose
I mean they held the man in captivity for years before Talon freed him
(referring to Sigma)
peak escarp
they said there could be hero deaths, not that there would be
past copper
That was before Sigma got control of his power though
worthy rose
Well even then, we don't really know how evil Sigma is, if at all
peak escarp
Sigma isn't evil
worthy rose
From the way the flavor text words it in the hero gallery, mild mind control may or may not be involved
pastel dust
He has brain damage, and likely gets carried away during battle
worthy rose
"Now Talon Manipulates him to their own ends" when I hear that I think, there's some form of mind control, we all interpret things differently, whether it be literal mind control, which is what I doubt, or just psychological manipulation, which to me being manipulative is "Mind Control"
peak escarp
you wouldn't need to manipulate someone if they were under mind control
mind control isn't manipulation, it's control
worthy rose
I'm saying it could either or, not both. That would be excessive on Talons Part
What I was trying to say I guess was being manipulative is the closest thing to "mind control" without having to literally control someone's mind. So its either Talon is literally using mind control, or they took some methodical approach and manipulated Sigma into working for talon as...whatever his role will be, definitely could have worded that last part of my previous statement better.
iron plume
which to me being manipulative is "Mind Control"
It isn't
Manipulation can be as simple as telling lies (or just enough of the right truths)
And as doc said, if there's actual mind control there's no need for manipulation
past copper
Well, Sigma’s probably or used to be terrified of his power. Stable mind or not, having such a dangerous ability to manipulate gravity around you in any way, but not control it sounds scary. And I’d imagine it doesn’t help that people who’re supposed to help you put you by yourself for who knows how long.
Between Talon using Sigma or the doctors studying him, was he ever really getting the help he actually needed?
past copper
Exactly. Either stay locked up and isolated from the whole while drowning in insanity while doctors do little more than study him or be recruited into a secret organization who could actually help him control his powers and sanity, but at the cost of Talon using him.
All in all, doesn’t seem like Sigma had much of a chance at a better life. Which I hope Overwatch puts a stop to. I’m sure Winston and Angela can help him. They helped Genji and Lena after all. Surely they can help Sigma
past copper
Yo, I’m reading Deadlock Rebels and an interesting piece caught my eye.
Ashe said she’d asked the academy’s hacker to change her grades to all As. Could this hacker have been Sombra?
peak escarp
not likely
this was 22 years ago - Sombra would have been 8 years old
and she was in Mexico
so not likely to be in the same school as Ashe
past copper
Eh. I just figured there was some odd connection. Mostly because Sombra seems to know a few interesting people. Not sure if she actually knows McCree or not, but being in the same bar together could’ve just been coincidence
Plus, she’s the only hacker we know who’s good at what she does. Even if she was in that academy, I would’ve chalked it up to being a child prodigy
peak escarp
how far have you read?
past copper
I’m still reading it. I’ve been rereading the short stories today, among other things
peak escarp
there's another hacker we meet later in the story
hackers don't seem to be uncommon in Overwatch's setting
past copper
I know of Lynx, but I don’t think most hackers could hold a candle to Sombra
peak escarp
changing grades doesn't seem like a challenging task for even a mediocre hacker
past copper
Regardless, Ashe definitely has a more interesting backstory then I would’ve expected.
peak escarp
that novel made me like Ashe a lot more as a character
past copper
I knew she came from a rich family, but wasn’t raised up to be like most rich kids. Honestly, a rebel since she was young. My kinda character
peak escarp
and I was impressed that the author was able to include McCree in the story without him overshadowing Ashe as the main character
their dynamic was excellent
past copper
I swear though, I cannot help wanting more Deadlock characters. Between them and those of the Shimada Clan, there is some serious potential to use
Especially since new heroes could very well include them. At least in some way.
peak escarp
there's a few possible hero candidates among the deadlock gang
past copper
Probably not the sniper who McCree shot from the corner of his eye. Or the triplets
topaz ledge
The fox girl from shimada
worthy rose
What the hell is this channel for?
"Discussion strictly related to the Lore of Overwatch. Fanfiction is not canon and should not be discussed here. Shitposting will result in loss of access."
Wtf
limpid agate
The fox girl from shimada
She's not a fox girl or a Shimada
peak escarp
Asa Yamagami worked for the Shimada clan, she wasn't a member
compact cobalt
She's not a fox girl or a Shimada
We have no idea if she will be the classic fox girl sage or whatever so no need to be rude
limpid agate
I'm trying to curb the spread of misinformation, because some popular Youtubers and personalities made content about "NEW FOX SHRINE MAIDEN SHIMADA SISTER" which is objectively speaking misinformation
All we know is that the Kanezaka letter was from Asa, the sword master who trained Hanzo and Genji, that she has a daughter who recently received a gift from her swordsmith father (implied to be a sword,) that there is a local vigilante that is fighting back against the Hashimoto, and that foxes/dogs are a pretty prominent theme in Kanezaka
There is no fox girl, and there is no Shimada
People read into the mysticism too literally and spread popular theories about a magical kitsune hero
past copper
I didn’t think she was a fox girl. I more assumed she had a fox or kitsune theme to her as opposed to Genji’s and Hanzo’s dragon themes. Either through abilities, like their dragons, or her outfit
worthy rose
Hello
While idk if this is martial arts, it's likely both practiced Kendoka
Especially when you look at Genjis summer skin
I doubt the fox girl has a Family tie to the shimada clan if she is from Kanezaka, which if the fox girl is a real thing I'm guessing she would've grown up in Kanezaka
Plus a sister kinda ruins the dragon brother dynamic of Hanzo and Genji
Only thing I can see is fox girl being a illigetimate child but even then....come on 😑
rancid egret
what are you on about
worthy rose
Just giving my 2 cents on the whole kanezaka fox girl being a shimada
Never thought I'd be talking so seriously about a character that's not even confirmed to exist
past copper
I doubt she’s a Shimada. If anything, it might be anything else.
I honestly wouldn’t doubt a clan rivalry
limpid agate
None of the characters mentioned in that letter are Shimadas
If the hero is one of those characters, its not a Shimada
And if the hero is not one of those characters, there is nothing to suggest they are a Shimada
Unless its Hanzo
past copper
All that I know for sure, we’re not finding out anything about Yokai or whoever the hero is until OW2. Are they just game hero? Story hero? We can only wait
Though, it’s possible they might get brought up in November, but that’s a slim chance. After all, Blizzard is being tight lipped over the new heroes they plan to add
worthy rose
Though, it’s possible they might get brought up in November, but that’s a slim c...
I'm happy they are
We're getting like 3-5 new heroes at launch yeah? lots of heroes to freshly experience is gonna be amaaaazing
past copper
Nobody knows how many. People have only been speculating and I don’t think Blizzard has confirmed who is in the game. Only one confirmed is Sojourn right now, but there has been hints about other potential heroes
Such as Mauga and the Junkertown Queen
worthy rose
jeff said when OW2 was first announced it was "multiple new heroes"
just cause he left i still believe we're getting at least 3
past copper
Multiple means multiple. There are many characters shown to be new heroes.
past copper
Besides, 3 would be disappointing if it took the game so long just to balance 3 heroes for the current ones. A lot of work goes into making 1 hero. Game abilities, character lore/lore expansion, animated shorts (sometimes)
All of this is understandable why making new heroes for Overwatch is taking so long
peak escarp
if we had continued the regular hero releases, we'd have 7 more heroes by spring 2022
so if the game launches with less than 7 new heroes, people will be disappointed
past copper
Exactly. Plus, they said they had everything done for the most part. Everything except for hero balances between current and new heroes, which they admitted they hadn’t counted on. So, with that being factored into having an unknown number of new heroes, it makes sense it would take time to get things right
I mean, it takes time to make an original character. So, trying to do more all before Spring is gonna take some time. Between that and having to deal with McCree’s name change in future lore, hands are tied
peak escarp
the devs haven't said how much is finished yet
the idea that they "hadn't counted on" hero balance is ludicrous
omnics are made in omniums, so I assume the same goes for Zenyatta
past copper
Hey, not all hero balances are great. Remember, they had to change a LOT after Overwatch dropped.
I can’t say I know when the first few comics came out though
peak escarp
they have some kind of relationship yes, but we don't know exactly what it is
past copper
Baptiste and Sombra’s connection should also be expanded on in OW2
silk idol
topaz ledge
Could talon try to capture bastion to create other bastions (or null sector)
cosmic crest
Why would they need to do that?
Null Sector has already used Bastion units in the past anyway.
topaz ledge
Didn't overwatch do anyrhing to delete the files?
cosmic crest
What files?
delicate fox
If the hero is one of those characters, its not a Shimada
It would be rather off putting to have another shimada
Especially after so many years of hanzo and genji being the only ones, and as it seems the "shimadas" have fallen so from what we know "(i think, im not sure)" theyre the only remaining ones
Which puts way more importance on their stories
Adding more into it just kinda chips away at the whole thing
delicate fox
Could talon try to capture bastion to create other bastions (or null sector)
I think the reason theres no more "bastions" is because they lost
bastion units werent powerful enough
and the bastion is the only one that remains
The one that grew sentient
topaz ledge
Will torbjorn at least upgrade him like give him new abilities
peak escarp
he technically already has
the Ironclad passive Bastion gained years ago was supposed to represent Torbjorn improving its armor
peak escarp
!!loreonly
twilit nacelleBOT
This channel is for serious discussion strictly related to the lore of Overwatch. Shitposting will result in a loss of access.
past copper
I’m actually looking forward to Baptiste as much as most other characters. He seems to have connections with a few characters we know and have yet to know. Mauga, Mercy, and Sombra.
Wonder if Mercy is the one who recommends finding Baptiste to let him join Overwatch
peak escarp
that would be an easy way to get him on the team
past copper
Yes, because the two worked together. And given his skills as a combat medic and knowledge on Talon tactics, he would be a great asset to the team
limpid agate
As of WYLB, Baptiste is looking for her
worthy rose
who is Mauga
peak escarp
a Talon member and Bastiste's former friend
worthy rose
ohhh right i remember that art
good shit
huh i wonder
baptise is 36 huh
literally had no clue what to guess lol
was unrelated ofc but idk why i had the thought
peak escarp
he was orphaned during the omnic crisis 30 years ago, so that makes sense
worthy rose
little older than i imagined
topaz ledge
I would love to know more about mauga, maybe give him an animation short?
past copper
I would love to know more about mauga, maybe give him an animation short?
The only thing we know about Mauga is that he is a Talon Heavy Assault, but with a barrier.
Initially, he was supposed to be one of the heroes in game right now, but the devs didn’t think his ability kit fit and… ta da! Sigma was born in his place. Too bad, because I think he would’ve been an interesting character who could’ve filled in more lore on Talon agents or something
compact cobalt
Honestly I don’t think sigs shield fits maugas brawler type at all
None of sigs kit makes sense for mauga
past copper
I mean, the only thing I got that may have been related from Sigma’s kit was what I read in Baptiste’s short story.
Although, no lie, when I read that, my mind immediately thought Mauga’s barrier was the same as Zarya’s
IDK. All I had to go on from Mauga’s appearance was what he’s wearing in the pic up top
worthy rose
I'm betting his barrier was probably similar to Reins barrier
past copper
I kinda thought that too since he could cover both Baptiste and Nguyen
Still, I can guess why Sigma’s kit wouldn’t fit. Mostly because, how can he form a barrier? He’s got armor, a pack on his back, and two mini-guns.
Basically, this is what Mauga looks like minus, the helmet
Honestly, badass no matter how you look at it, but if I were to take a guess how he forms his barrier, it’s probably from his guns in some way, which means he can’t fire them when the shield is active.
Basically, similar to Reinhardt and Brigitte with their barriers
Guess we’ll have to wait and see in Overwatch 2, because I just know Mauga will play his own role.
Also, I’ve been looking at the Talon soldiers and a thought came to mind. Notice how Baptiste’s Talon skin looks different from that of a Talon Trooper’s? It makes me wonder if Talon has their medics wear that type of armor, but without the scarf
topaz ledge
Probably
past copper
Well, it would be interesting. After all, Blizzard can’t just leave the Talon enemies as they are while Null Sector gets who knows how many upgraded enemies.
Talon Trooper
Talon Enforcer
Talon Sniper
Talon Assassin
Talon Heavy Assault
Talon Medic
past copper
That’s just my take though. I’m not sure what other Talon enemies they can add.
Hmm. Well, except maybe Talon troopers with barriers or jet pack troopers
worthy rose
u like talon don't u? :p
it is a fun opposite to OW as an organization and its agents it has
past copper
That’s because not much thought has to go into the no name grunts who are as replaceable as Omnics
Besides, that armor they wear is badass
iron plume
I do hope there's some variety
and not just in one faction but across
they could easily make A B C But Null Sec and A B C But Talon, but there's also a way to not make it
peak escarp
some of the stuff they showed us wouldn't really work for Talon units
iron plume
Mass Effect 3's multiplayer nailed it I think
There's four factions and each have the basic mook and a bunch of specials
But they're different specials, even if some tactics cross over
peak escarp
like how Null Sector Elites will chase you after you kill them and explode
iron plume
And they do fit with the way the faction works in-universe
yeah I could see NS being more zerg-ish where they just send waves after waves
and Talon being a bit more tactical
then if we do get Helix as a foil-for-bad-guys faction they're even more like an army
peak escarp
I'd like to see at least one faction have units that can heal their allies
(most likely Helix)
past copper
Well, that’s why I looked back at Baptiste’s Talon skin and noticed it was different from Talon Troopers. With that in mind, I figured that since all Talon units wear different uniforms, medics wear what Baptiste wears and uses the same gun
It would make sense if they have medics in OW2. As a means to keep their units up in the war.
forest zephyr
bap got all medics , so talon ofc got all
rancid egret
bap got all medics , so talon ofc got all
what
twilit nacelleBOT
past copper
So, we’re finally gonna get Bastion’s official look for Overwatch 2? Bout time. Hope to see Torbjörn’s influences on his armor
feral musk
past copper
Yeah, but that’s only concept art. Details in artwork can change before the final design in game
past copper
You never know. They go through 3 or 4 concept art before finally putting together a character based on parts of each concept
That’s what they did with Reaper, McCree, and Widow
limpid agate
We've seen it in 3d already too
And the concept art they posted is the same as what we already know.
The Tweet
Blizzcon 2019
Quite literally the exact same piece of art. Just without the foreground characters
fresh tundra
I never noticed his left shoulder piece is painted like Ganymede
I think that’s a nice touch
twilit nacelleBOT
worthy rose
Idk man
I feel like they wouldn't bother showing a redesign we have seen in game and in art unless changes were made
No way Blizzard is that dumb
worn island
and we'll get it on the ow2 website with the cool slider thingy
which he wasnt on previously
twilit nacelleBOT
past copper
Can’t lie. Bastion’s new design looks clean, but realistically you have to wonder how Torbjörn managed to upgrade him, because that’s not just a new coat of paint.
I don’t know if Omnics like Bastion actually have an off switch. So if not, Torbjörn might’ve added the new parts while it was activated. Something, given Bastion’s condition, could not have made things difficult
topaz ledge
I think that would change his dynamic too much
sacred cargo
why do such high levels have really low endorsement levels?
iron plume
Not really a question for this channel
iron plume
sacred cargo
okay thank you :>
crisp dew
Torb is an engineer
Didn't torb play a hand in creating the omnics or something? I'm sure he'd know someone who does if he didnt.
iron plume
He made the weapons platforms
limpid agate
Yeah, Liao
iron plume
not any of the AI
limpid agate
And shes dead
iron plume
and also that yes
past copper
It just occurred to me, but since these new designs are gonna be the heroes new default canon designs, are some of their non-canon skins gonna change with them
peak escarp
probably not
past copper
Well, I meant the common and half the rare skins. I know most will be untouched
valid terrace
New skins will be based on the new design, old ones will remain the same
peak escarp
we might get new rares, but I wouldn't count on it
past copper
Either way, it just crossed my mind after remembering the common skins are just the default skins repainted
Whatever the case, I kinda think it will be a long time before we see the other heroes new looks. It kinda looks like the heroes in the story mode are getting the spotlight while the ones not in story are last
valid terrace
That probably makes sense
past copper
That’s not a bad thing. If anything, that kinda tells us who the heroes are in story without revealing any new ones who could be in it
limpid agate
Its given nothing new
Its all heroes we already knew were in the story other than Reaper
Who is kind of a main character
Soldier will probably pop up next, and thats because we've already seen his artwork
worthy rose
oh yeah
huh
I wonder how long the story missions are gonna be
ik some heroes straight up won't appear like Junk and Hog
but didnt they ALSO confirm that heroes like Junk and Hog will get their own side stories
like the paralouges (icantspell) in Fire Emblem kinda
anyWAY
i didnt even think about how inflated it might be WITH the new heroes
going off on a tangent but it's now it's kinda obvious some heroes will be in the background story-wise if they appear at all
like Genji would def go on OW-related missions but not play a heavy part in story
reaper, soldier, winston, and sigourn are like the "main" characters rn maybe?
just spitablling to myself rn
peak escarp
if Zenyatta is a target, Genji will play a large part
worthy rose
ah ofc i forgot about that
peak escarp
Soldier is unlikely to be in the story - he's off doing his own crusade with Ana
worthy rose
oh so thats where ana is okay
replace soldier with tracer then ig but u know what i mean
peak escarp
the Old Soldiers storyline (Old Soldiers, Bastet, Valkyrie)
Tracer, Winston and Sojourn seem to be the main protagonists
Reaper will probably appear, but Doomfist, Max and the Null Sector omnic seem to be the main antagonists
worthy rose
Sojourn
holy shit i butchered her name lol
man I have high hopes for Doomfist's part in the plot
hope it's some dope shit
peak escarp
other heroes not likely to show up in the main story include Ashe, Roadhog, Junkrat, Hanzo, Sigma, Wrecking Ball
worthy rose
wouldn't ashe be able to make a simple cameo just by extension of mccree
if blizzard really wanted to anyway
peak escarp
she hates McCree
worthy rose
oh like hate hate?
I thought it it was a hatehatehate but a slight tinge of platonic love relationship
past copper
As to that Null Sector leader. I don’t know what to think, but I hope he’s a damage. He didn’t look big enough to be a tank. But I don’t know what he could do or use as a weapon
worthy rose
ye didn't the end of her cinematic show that she still had a pic of cree
or am i misremembering
oh yeah i didnt mean theyd team up or anything lol
peak escarp
plus she's got her gang in Arizona - probably not going to travel around the world to team up with people she doesn't like
worthy rose
As to that Null Sector leader. I don’t know what to think, but I hope he’s a dam...
OW in general has been VERY good at giving everyone a unique weapon or gun or playstyle so I have zero qualms there
id like more physical/melee stuff but that's the Rein in me lol
peak escarp
As to that Null Sector leader. I don’t know what to think, but I hope he’s a dam...
it's hard to judge anything from the 20 seconds we saw of him
worthy rose
plus she's got her gang in Arizona - probably not going to travel around the wor...
could be as simple as running across her gang with the whole invasion but yeah i getcha
aaaalso
I wonder if all of the hero missions/story missions will be available on release
doesnt seem like a blizzard thing to do does it
esp with the crunched dev time
past copper
I’m sure they will. They wouldn’t go out of their way to build hundreds of hero missions and story missions if they didn’t intend for them to be available on release
They’re not gonna make the same mistake as the creators of Star Wars Battlefront 2
twilit nacelleBOT
worthy rose
shut up ty
peak escarp
we dont know how development is going
they could be crunching, or everything could be finished and they're just working on details
limpid agate
reaper, soldier, winston, and sigourn are like the "main" characters rn maybe?
Winston/Tracer are main
Followed by team Overwatch (Mei, Genji, Rein, Brig, Echo, Mercy)
worthy rose
I really like the focus on Winston
I thought he was gonna be tossed aside for some reason
for Sojourn maybe?
limpid agate
Hes the protagonist
rancid egret
i love winston’s personality and him being one of the more important characters is a plus
peak escarp
he's a bit too much of a Mary Sue for me
worthy rose
is it true that the characters we've seen redesigned are gonna be the most prominent in the story missions?
iron plume
Not necessarily
But since they have to show off story things, it makes sense that the ones shown either way are also announced
The ones we've seen so far are either new overwatch members or talon, with the exception of torb
worthy rose
he's a bit too much of a Mary Sue for me
?, If you wouldn't mind elaborating
peak escarp
?, If you wouldn't mind elaborating
he solved Tracer's chronal problem without being a trained scientist, he beat Doomfist in one punch
he's good at everything for no reason
past copper
he solved Tracer's chronal problem without being a trained scientist, he beat Do...
I wouldn’t call him beating Doomfist much of a feat. It took him, Tracer, and Genji giving it everything they had to fight him
peak escarp
Doomfist crushed Tracer and Genji easily
past copper
It almost killed two of them
peak escarp
they barely contributed to the fight at all
past copper
Well, that’s because Doomfist is the real Gary Sue. He’s powerful, manipulative, and skilled if not much more. But he’s the biggest villain in Overwatch, so I guess that’s a given
peak escarp
except his power and influence are explained
he was a former martial artist, and he was mentored by the former Doomfist
Winston has no formal training or education, yet he's a genius who can't lose
Doomfist is definitely not a Gary stu
past copper
Well, we don’t really know everything that Winston did in between his escape from Horizon and Overwatch being shut down.
We know he was taken in by Overwatch somehow. We know he became a top scientist, but could’ve been given some combat training, but given he’s a genetically enhanced gorilla, fighting is probably natural to him by his animal instincts.
Other than that, we’ve seen very little of his actions during Overwatch aside from building Tracer’s device, capturing Max, and arresting Doomfist
That said, Winston’s got the mind of a scientist and an animal. So instincts on either side takes over depending on the situation
worthy rose
Winston is more gary stu than Doomfist. He beats Doomfist and Reaper two of Talon's top agents. Meanwhile Blizzard makes Reaper a jobber which is sad
limpid agate
Well, that’s because Doomfist is the real Gary Sue. He’s powerful, manipulative,...
Doomfist is not a gary stu. None of that paragraph explains how he could be one.
He's powerful because he's trained, and yet he still loses to inexperienced enemies.
He is manipulative, yet still gets betrayed in ways he cant predict
He is skilled, but only after decades of crafting and honing his skill
Meanwhile Winston
- Did literal rocket science as a teenager
- Solved Tracer's Chronal Disassociation where the scientists that had made the time leaping jet gave up
- Engineered her Chronal Accelerator that anchors her in place
- All without a proper education
He also defeat Doomfist with the Doomfist gauntlet in a fist fight in his second ever field mission
Hero of Numbani's victory (draw) was less of an asspull than that. THere, he was just overwhelmed by sheer numbers and his own forces losing reliability, plus the genuine surprise from children standing up to him when focusing on Orisa, the robot that was literally designed to defeat him.
desert yacht
yeah how did winston make his own escape pod anyways
did he just find a bunch of books laying around the colony and learn advanced physics and engineering and shit
further than people with degrees and years of training
valid terrace
He didn't build it
It was the escape pod on Horizon
Hammond built his 'compartment'
But Winston's was default
covert echo
He still did the calculations though if I recall.
scarlet apex
Can Zenyatta hover in the lore?
cosmic crest
Probably. I don't see any reason to assume he can't.
Especially since anti-gravity technology seems to be commonplace.
topaz ledge
Like the cars
cosmic crest
Yes.
topaz ledge
Maybe something to do with magnetivity?
worthy rose
im fairly certain he can, yeah
he can also freely walk with both legs
twilit nacelleBOT
limpid agate
@scarlet apex @cosmic crest Not probably, yes. We've seen him float in Reflections.
strong stirrup
Why does zen “jump” can’t he just levitate higher and higher or at least with a slowed and controlled decent when he falls back down to the ground (sort of like mercy’s angelic d)
Or when he falls can’t he just fly out
mortal rock
it might be part of his iris magic (which is probably canon)
but it could also just be part of his omnic design
cosmic crest
There is no magic in Overwatch.
mortal rock
well isn’t wraith form canon? and also we still don’t have an explanation for the spirit dragons? or zens healing, it really seems like magic is a possibility, or they might have an explanation and i’m dumb, i’m just genuinely curious if it’s all hard light or just actual magic
cosmic crest
Reaper can turn himself into smoke because of his genetic modifications.
The dragons are some form of technology, possibly hard light projections.
Zen might not be able to heal canonically, but if he can, it's some form of technology.
I believe the devs have stated in the past there are no magical/supernatrual elements in Overwatch.
Anything that appears so is a holdover from when they were still setting the tone and style of the universe.
junior axle
Brig and Hammond are related. Now you might be thinking wtf no bro, but hear me out. They both are related in terms of their technology, somehow they both discovered shield.
peak escarp
hard-light shields are commonplace in Overwatch
wind spade
Yeah no I highly doubt there's a hint of magic in Overwatch
limpid agate
Shitposting will result in a loss of access.
iron plume
That's enough of that.
past copper
You know, I wonder how some characters will play out in the story missions. Such as Symmetra
cosmic crest
Not all heroes will appear in the story campaign.
Symmetra doesn't seem very likely tbh.
past copper
I hunk she might. If Vishkar plays any part in the story at all, Symmetra would be involved too if not that, there is the fact she might be learning things from Zenyatta
worthy rose
isnt vishkar plot-wise only related to lucio and symm?
i dont know much about it at all
iron plume
Sanjay, who is a higher-up in Vishkar and Symmetra's manager, is on the Talon board
limpid agate
Sym is possible
limpid agate
With Zero Hour yeah
past copper
I’m not sure, but I’d think Symmetra would take Overwatch’s side. Both because Talon tried to kill her friend and because Sanjay is apart of them
peak escarp
her friend?
past copper
Zenyatta
peak escarp
I don't know if she would consider him a friend
and we don't know if Talon wants to kill Zenyatta
past copper
It’s Widow and Sombra with a squad of Talon Troopers. I don’t think they’d want to capture him. And I think she would consider him a friend if not saying it out loud
peak escarp
why would they send a whole squad when Widowmaker could easily just snipe him?
and why would Sombra be there?
past copper
Maybe she doesn’t have a good vantage point to shoot him from and I don’t know why Sombra and a whole squad is there. Maybe because they know Zenyatta can fight and also it seems Talon has top members work in teams
Anyone’s guess is as good as mine
peak escarp
that's still not conclusive enough to say they're there to kill him
they could be there to capture him
or they could be there for something unrelated to Zenyatta
past copper
It could very well be something else. It just seems to revolve around Genji, Zenyatta, and whoever joined Genji to visit Zenyatta for whatever reason. Whatever Talon is doing, I don’t know. I just hope Zen wasn’t allowing Talon to maintain some sort of outpost in the temple
peak escarp
why would he
past copper
As a monk, doesn’t turn away anyone who wishes to enter the temple. Talon though wouldn’t tell him anything about themselves and I don’t think Zenyatta keeps up with most news
peak escarp
Zenyatta has traveled, I'm pretty sure he would know who Talon is
past copper
Maybe, but most information on Talon isn’t made public knowledge. Or the least no information on faces in Talon. Also, if he’s stays at the temple, and I don’t think we know how long he’s staying at this one in India, then he might not know what’s going on.
It could also be that Talon could’ve threatened their way in or something.
peak escarp
Talon is publicly known as a terrorist organization
past copper
Yes, but most information would probably be held back or something. Depending on who reports on Talon.
peak escarp
why does that matter?
I don't know the details of what Daesh/Isis does, I just know they're terrorists
past copper
It’s no secret that the UN seems corrupt in Overwatch and Talon appear to have a few people of power on their payroll.
Wether it be this person hiding information on Talon or faces of Talon members unknown to some, either way it makes things hard to really find these global terrorists.
peak escarp
okay, and? Zenyatta still wouldn't harbor them in a temple
worthy rose
My theory is that talon is just there to massacre the shambali
Kill the shambali
Raise stakes between humans and Omnics even more
One step closer to a new Omnic crisis.
I just made myself think of when the fire nation killed all the air benders 😂
peak escarp
that seems kinda pointless - they already killed Mondatta
worthy rose
I think sombra is after something that the monks know
arctic loom
doctor six you will buy the artbook of october?
might have lore stuff on it
maybe
or maybe not
worthy rose
that seems kinda pointless - they already killed Mondatta
And here's my counter to that, although that's a good point
Doom wants to ENSURE! peace between humans and Omnics could never happen again like how it happened before that ended the first omnic crisis.
And the massacre of the shambali, peaceful and unarmed Omnics, on top of the assasnation of Mondatta is unforgivable, no matter what.
Doom seems like a man who doesn't leave alot up to chance.
...or, the shambali just have something special that Talon wants for themselves. Maybe something to do with the "Iris"?
peak escarp
if Talon slaughters the Shambali, it will be seen as an act of terrorism by Talon
Doomfist wants humans and omnics to turn on each other
that would just make humans and omnics both turn on Talon
worthy rose
Perhaps thats how it will go
earnest gazelle
Yeah, Doomfist doesn't seem like he would make such a big move like that.
twilit nacelleBOT
civic dust
Does ana have healing abilities in canon?
cosmic crest
Yes.
civic dust
Just the nade or the darts from her gun too
peak escarp
both
topaz ledge
But does she set her gun on heal when she wants to heal someone or does it go automatically
I can just see a situation where she accidentally heals an enemie
mortal rock
then how does nade work in canon? does she have 2 types that switch or is nade just different in the canon
cosmic crest
She presumably has two types.
worthy rose
have we ever seen ana use her nade in cannon?
limpid agate
then how does nade work in canon? does she have 2 types that switch or is nade j...
We havent seen her use it, but its function is probably different than how it is in game.
Considering she is throwing a glass jar of chemicals, its probably just used offensively.
But they do exist in Necropolis.
They are quite literally just jars that she can store the biotic fluid in.
So in game, she is just throwing them at people.
mortal rock
yeah it does seem like one of those ability’s that only make sense with friendly fire
twilit nacelleBOT
worthy rose
I wonder how switching ammo types would be as an in-game mechanic. A stat boost at the cost of needing to reload to switch focuses would be interesting.
Are any of Lúcio's abilities canon?
peak escarp
his sound barrier and wallriding are
as well as his music providing a beat to fight to (fighting in rhythm could be considered a sort of speed boost)
worthy rose
How does the sound barrier work in lore?
peak escarp
it isn't explained
worthy rose
ah ty!
twilit nacelleBOT
valid terrace
The way I understood it from HoN is that he blankets a set area or set target with a sound barrier, but requires a calibrated input beforehand
scarlet apex
Are all Omnics adults?
graceful shell
Some omnics are kids, just don't have alot sense they are made to serve and adults are kinda better at doing that.
peak escarp
what if omnic children exist for parents who can't have kids and/or want to adopt?
like the kid in A.I. Artificial Intelligence
cosmic crest
Sounds like a moral conundrum.
peak escarp
how so?
rancid egret
@echo forge what??
brave ravine
@rancid egret it's a scam/hack/malware link and should be reported ASAP
but looks like they're already on it
twilit nacelleBOT
past copper
Can’t wait to see what Blizzard has to show off in 5 days. While they mostly said it was to show Baptiste’s and Sombra’s reworks alongside Bastion’s redesign, I’m sure there will plenty more behind the scenes stuff to look for, so be on the look out for subtle pieces of story or hints at new heroes
limpid agate
Bastion, not Baptiste
There might not be subtle hints unless we get proper lore content or pve info
If its like what happened in May, no teasers
past copper
Thought they said Baptiste and Sombra?
Whatever. Bastion’s just as good
Though, the only rework I really see Bastion getting is it’s turret nerfed
worthy rose
i agree i’m really looking forward to see more OW2 content especially the reworks of sombra and bastion as that seem to be the highlight this time, we got a pvp livestream awhile back but will we get a PvE livestream?
scarlet apex
how so?
Pinocchio complex I'm guessing
Btw is there any information on whether or not the public knows about Genji after Blackwatch got leaked?
teal swallow
That’s what I wanna know
Isn’t he just presumed dead to the rest of the world up until that point?
twilit nacelleBOT
topaz ledge
After blakwatch he was still presumed dead otherwise hanzo would have known about it
compact cobalt
Btw is there any information on whether or not the public knows about Genji afte...
We can assume by Hanzo being unaware of his living, that him being in blackwatch was not common knowledge which means that people probably don’t know if he’s dead or alive if they even know he exists
limpid agate
They knew a cyborg ninja existed
topaz ledge
Did they tough?
I don't think everything got leaked
Just that blakwatch existed and did illegal things
topaz ledge
But individuals like genji didn't get much attention
Moira is mayor of oasis
And if it was known she was in blakwatch
She probably wouldn't be mayor
cosmic crest
She's not the mayor, she's the minister of genetics.
iron plume
^ That
And Oasis is (in)famously not too worried about the ethics for their research
limpid agate
Did they tough?
Genji was part of the main Overwatch team too
In Havana, Singapore, etc
And he's been shown in a number of group photos too of the team
past copper
Well, remember, Hanzo didn’t know it was Genji that was the “assassin” sent to kill him.
While I am sure Genji has photos, the public most likely wouldn’t know who he was. Reyes and McCree would have been the ones to stick out to the public the most though
limpid agate
I didn't say people knew "Genji Shimada" was part of Overwatch
I said they knew a cyborg ninja existed
past copper
One was the original leader of Overwatch years ago during the Omnic Crisis and the other was apart of a notorious gang
valid terrace
Genji Shimada wasn't known as a cyborg
No one would recognize him from a picture because he looked so different
Hanzo barely did and that's the strongest tie we know of
peak escarp
Hanzo only recognized him when Genji took his mask/faceshield off
limpid agate
This channel is for Lore Discussion only @worthy rose
worthy rose
okay never tried to troll, nor do i intend on it
past copper
Honestly, while I read that Overwatch 2 is in the “final stages” it makes me wonder how much will be shown off this month and November. You gotta hand it to Blizzard, they’re being very tight lipped about every detail of the game, but they still show off just enough to hype up fans.
Can’t wait to see what Bastion and Sombra are getting, but I do hope something like a new map will be shown off. The one that really hasn’t been shown much is the temple in India, so fingers crossed there.
Or they could show more cutaway scenes like they did last time we saw behind the scenes
past copper
That’s because Blizzard can’t afford to push it back that far
limpid agate
Ill repeat my prediction. May 24 2022
peak escarp
something like that
arctic loom
well he will see what they will show this weekend
but i doubt a release date will show up
peak escarp
I think we'll get a release date at Blizzconline next year
limpid agate
I hope they have some surprise to show off
Or some interesting commentary that teases future developments
If its just the Sombra/Bastion gameplay, that's boring for this channel
peak escarp
yeah
right now the next thing I'm looking forward to is the McCree rename and plot arc they promised for later this year
limpid agate
There is also a good chance that the exhibition will still have banned heroes
past copper
I can guess what they’re gonna do to Bastion and Sombra. Two dps that can be pretty annoying to deal with in game because of one ability
Now that the game will be 5v5 with 1 tank, these two are some primary DPS who’ll probably have to be nerfed. Specifically Bastion’s turret and Sombra’s hack
While I’m sure people will have mixed feelings about that, I’m more worried about how that would affect Bastion in story
worthy rose
hm
do u guys think sombra's base hack could be removed completely and changed to a new move?
peak escarp
not likely
worthy rose
oh huh
peak escarp
it's a core part of her character
worthy rose
like and just keep her hacking to EMP
peak escarp
they'll just change how it works
peak escarp
being a hacker is central to who Sombra is
just like how being a transforming robot is central to who Bastion is
worthy rose
maybe she can still hack but not in the way she does now?
like more akin to health packs
idk...
ugh
past copper
Well, they could either increase Sombra’s cooldown since she gets it back pretty fast. The only real way they can rework Bastion is to nerf it’s turret damage.
Which, if you think about it, would be more closer to lore since I think Reinhardt’s shield is supposed to withstand Bastion longer then it should. But, I’m only going off what was shown in The Last Badtion and Honor and Glory
But who knows really? They could very well add something new to these characters or do something completely different altogether. We can only wait until the weekend to know for sure
worthy rose
im out of the loop, what's happening in the weekend?
iron plume
OW2 announcements during the OWL final
Looks to be mostly gameplay stuff, as they said there'd be Sombra and Bastion reworks, but we may get something else too
low brook
maybe she can still hack but not in the way she does now?
i believe they did say they wanted sombra to hack more things than just players and health packs so who knows, maybe you'll be able to hack the planet soon
worthy rose
maybe temporarily hacking enemy shields so they act as if it were the sombra's team's shield
topaz ledge
You should post it as an idea on the workshop page
worthy rose
This would mean:
Allies can damage your shield
Enemies can shoot through your sheild
- While the hack is active
peak escarp
gameplay isn't lore
worthy rose
well im hoping they give a little something to do with future story
past copper
Wait, can’t she already hack turrets?
Or at least Torb turret. I don’t think she actually hack Sym turrets or teleporter
Whatever though. Maybe whatever they do will look closer to what we saw in their animated shorts.
limpid agate
@past copper If you want to talk about the game, use #overwatch
Stop talking about non-lore things here
past copper
Fine
past copper
Just a thought, but how could Hammond have a barrier on his mech?
Living in Junkertown, I can’t see how he could’ve put a hardlight barrier on his handcrafted battle mech
peak escarp
someone could have imported it for him
same as his mech's AI
he didn't build that either
past copper
My guess is that he either got lucky in getting his paws on hardlight tech or maybe his pod had one. After all, wouldn’t it make sense for spacecraft to have a barrier for reentry back to Earth
peak escarp
maybe
worthy rose
true true
im talking moreso on the content drought on lore, gameplay aside
but that's everyone
peak escarp
well, there's Malevento next week (which might have lore), Halloween Terror in October (probably no new lore, but always fun), and the promised McCree rename and story arc after that
so it won't be much longer
also the artbook vol 2 in a couple weeks
patience will be rewarded
past copper
I’m curious to see what they actually do for the coming seasonal events, but considering they’ve been bringing back limited time skins, I wouldn’t hold my breath on anything new at this point. Not unless Reinhardt finally gets his admiral or king skin
Or Genji gets his wandering swordsman skin from the comic
I’m not questioning his the skin he got last year, I’m more just curious to know, what was wrong with giving him this one?
past copper
I wouldn’t say that. Hanzo has a skin with a hat that doesn’t fit his silhouette. So that wouldn’t be the issue
But the basic look to it, I guess that makes a little more sense
peak escarp
it is a boring design, I don't know why people want it so much
past copper
I’m not saying I want it. I just figured the devs had a design they could work with instead of being so extra, but I digress. I like his Tengu skin more anyway
opaque tundra
they could always change up the design to make it better
past copper
I mean, it kinda looks like mix of the Blackwatch and Young Genji skins wearing a hat and robe. So, I guess it wasn’t really all that creative
There is still Reinhardt. He’s never gotten a new Halloween skin since 16-17 and he has two choices to use from the Halloween Terror comics.
peak escarp
Mercy hasn't gotten one since 2016 either
past copper
True. Neither has Hog and Symmetra is a maybe
Though, I think they might give Mercy a bat skin of some kind since the only thing bat themed are Reaper, Symmetra, and Baptiste as vampires. Maybe call it Bat Queen Mercy
Not sure what they would do for Hog, if anything. I’d think it be interesting if they gave him like blob or slime skin or something. Imagine a see through Roadhog with maybe a skeleton inside his slime body
worn island
thats a bit too similar to his toxic skin imo
past copper
I mean… okay yea. That crossed my mind, but really that skin is just a diving suit with a skull in it. I figured with a slime skin, large slime monster with see through “skin” to show a skeleton inside it.
Figured it would look creepy and cool
I didn’t really think beyond that though. So, I wouldn’t know what his gun, hook, or canister would look like with that.
valid terrace
Idk if they'd make him full seethrough
worthy rose
I wonder if we'll ever see Torb's toxic suit we saw in his comic. i found that comic pretty interesting
i cant wait to see more of torb and bastion
past copper
That was kinda just a hazbat suit and I don’t think it stands out enough to be a skin
limpid agate
The only "story" based Halloween skins left are either Rein, Genji, or characters in Junkenstein.
past copper
Well, looking back at that, I don’t see either Rein skins being an option. Mostly because I don’t know what the devs would do with his admiral skin.
And his king skin… well I guess have him wear armor, but I feel that would be too much like most of his skins.
What they could just do is focus on the Junkenstein characters. Mercy and Roadhog could use something new
limpid agate
Excluding lore. The characters who are most in need of Halloween skins are Reinhardt and Bastion.
Including lore, its just Rein
Whether its his Admiral costume or the King in the Junkenstein AU
past copper
Well, true. I guess Bastion could use a new skin. Though I do still like his tombstone skin
limpid agate
Every hero has a Halloween skin. Those two last received Halloween skins in 2016, and they were both epic.
past copper
Honestly not sure what you give a robot as a new Halloween skin
limpid agate
Literally anything.
In lore, nothing.
Bastion being playable will break Junkenstein
Bastion being a boss is unlikely because I dont see them adding new foes this year
past copper
Hmm. Is making Bastion a catapult an option?
valid terrace
I think the zombardiers and junk spam would counter bastion well with his stationary gameplay
limpid agate
Sure
past copper
Well, they made Bastion a tombstone. What about a witch’s cauldron
past copper
IDK. I see Rein as more of a golem
past copper
Well, I kinda feel Golem Bastion might be a little too close to his overgrowth skin
valid terrace
Hard disagree there
That one has his basic angles, it's like saying they couldn't make stealth because it's just a robot
There are so many stylistic ways to make skins unique beyond base theme
Or that most Reinhardt skins shouldn't exist because they are all the same armor shape with a hammer
limpid agate
A golem has nothing to do with Overgrown
Its a clay automaton.
It comes from Jewish folk lore
past copper
I know what a golem is. I just wouldn’t know if Bastion would be a golem himself. But it’s not a bad idea. Any new skin is welcomed
Now if only Zarya would finally get a cooler Halloween skin over Totally 80s
iron plume
That would be impossible
worthy rose
A Zarya Halloween skin would be valid
past copper
It would be, but Zarya kinda has the fewest good skins. I doubt that would change even for Halloween. I suppose you could count her alien skin as a Halloween skin
past copper
Still, it’s kinda easy to pin down which heroes are overdue for a new Halloween skin.
Bastion, Doomfist, Mercy, Reinhardt, Roadhog, Symmetra, Torbjörn, Zarya, Zenyatta
I’m sure at least 4 or 5 are on the list this Halloween.
supple reef
imagine a torb gnome skin
cedar parcel
i'd love to see that lol
serene needle
past copper
Gnome Torb. The thought never would’ve crossed my mind, but now the image is in my head and I want it
Plus, it sounds like something that fits the Blizzard devs MO to give a hero a skin based on their country so fingers crossed
In that case, what about Troll Reinhardt?
iron plume
This convo has strayed off of lore
worthy rose
What's up with Ana not wanting to talk about Pharah's father?
limpid agate
What do you mean
worthy rose
I don't know too much about the father, just wondering if anyone could explain the situation
limpid agate
Its not that Ana doesnt want to talk about him
There's just nothing to say, and he doesn't know she's alive.
He is a native Canadian from an aboriginee group on the west coast. Its never been explicitly stated which, but people have their guesses that I have forgotten. He is a civil servant, meaning he works for the government of Canada. His name is Sam.
!!wiki Sam_(Amari)
twilit nacelleBOT
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limpid agate
We alsao dont know if his last name is Amari or not
past copper
You know, I’m kinda interested in finding out anything about the Junkertown Queen. Specifically her real name or call sign. And how she rose to power as the queen in the first place
We know next to nothing about her, yet she seems to be an important figure to Junkertown. Which I hope her character will be expanded on in Overwatch 2 in some way.
limpid agate
And how she rose to power as the queen in the first place
She used her influence as the champion of the Scrapyard's gladitorial mech battles to become queen
past copper
Interesting. That kinda makes me wonder if she could be a tank by piloting a mech. But I think that would be too close to Dva. Though, considering Hammond, I guess it’s not unlikely
Her mech would just have to different from Hana’s and Hammond’s mechs.
limpid agate
Which is why I speculate her mech is Recluse's
A danging body on a spider like exosuit feels very Junker. Just redesign the appearance to fit the Queen more.
We've seen this kind of mech suit in other games too. Tallboys for example.
past copper
Hmm. I guess, but doesn’t really look like it could do a lot of damage in a battle against another mech. Though, it would be interesting to see something like that
Personally, I’d think it probably a melee mech. Much like how Rein is a melee fighter
worthy rose
more characters like dva and wrecking ball are certainly welcome
and orisa kinda for that matter
non-humanoid designs make for some awesome heroes
peak escarp
the trouble is fitting them into the lore
past copper
It would be cool to have more mech or Omnic heroes. While I’m sure the Junker Queen and NS Leader fit the bill, it would be interesting to see just what they can actually do
worthy rose
I wonder if there will be a way for the lore to explain the reworks. Bastion's can be explained by Torbjörn working on him, but what about the others?
peak escarp
there might be
worthy rose
nah some won't be
some will be possibly
peak escarp
but it isn't necessary
worthy rose
^
six said yesterday or so that some abilities they already have in-game aren't canon
so it's crapshoot on what's explained or not
even if it is canon or not
limpid agate
There is no explanation for Storm Arrow for example
Or Leap
Same goes for Winston's railgun.
past copper
Well, taking away Mei’s ability to freeze enemies in game is kinda going against the lore when you think about it. Remember, in Zero Hour she froze a Nullifier
But I guess it doesn’t matter. They did it with Hanzo’s scatter arrow and nobody complained for long.
iron plume
She'll still have that ability in PVE
which will be the more "lore-y" mode anyway
past copper
You sure? Because I thought they were taking Mei’s freeze out of the game entirely? PvP and PvE? Though, it has been some time since I last saw that behind the scenes, so I don’t completely remember
Whatever though. Keep it in PvE, take it out of PvP. I’m not complaining either way.
cosmic crest
It doesn't really matter at all. The characters aren't physically bound to their weapons and abilities in universe like they are in game. It could be that Hanzo doesn't have scatter arrows anymore because he simply decided to stop using them.
scarlet apex
What exactly is the technology level? Like, there's the obvious hover cars and the whole Omnic thing, but is there stuff like nanotech? What about virtual reality?
iron plume
Nanotech exists in some form, like Mercy’s healing (though it’s specifically mentioned to not be nano bots/machines)
We don’t know much about VR but there are some games/arcades that point to it
past copper
I do love what they did to Bastion for Overwatch 2. Someone said we would see Torbjörn’s hand in upgrading Bastion and we saw just that.
limpid agate
No lore, as expected.
Gotta wait for the next drop
Probably this week with Malevento
past copper
Well, I guess it was only wishful thinking that we got some lore.
Still, I kinda think Bastion’s new abilities can be counted by saying Torbjörn upgraded Bastion to make it unique compared to the rest of the old rust buckets
arctic loom
kind obvious no lore
harsh ridge
I do love what they did to Bastion for Overwatch 2. Someone said we would see To...
What are they doing
harsh ridge
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yOkZhgLvYD0
Thanks
turbid ruin
for ow2 i hope we can have a hero whose the current shimada clan yakuza boss whose either hanzo and genji's cousin or uncle
past copper
Uhh, I don’t know for sure, but I think the Shimada clan is completely dissolved.
worthy rose
shimada clan is gone
iron plume
also, please no more shimadas
narrow nymph
let's bring this up - what exactly is this scene transition covering?
and again, before the end card - these are identical, I just don't recognize the image from anywhere
compact cobalt
and again, before the end card - these are identical, I just don't recognize the...
Am I crazy or do I see a buff man in this
brave ravine
Am I crazy or do I see a buff man in this
hmmmmm... https://overwatch.fandom.com/wiki/Mauga
compact cobalt
Ik
peak escarp
let's bring this up - what exactly is this scene transition covering?
it looks like Soldier's hero select pose
compact cobalt
It does but the colour scheme doesn’t fit him
It honestly reminds me of sym
I could see sojourn too
The light blue fits her weapon
peak escarp
the colours are edited
this transition scene has been around forever
pretty sure Karahe did some digging on that one
past copper
I’ve never seen this transition until now.
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past copper
Ah. Well, first time I actually saw it then. Also did see it on the Sombra rework. I can see why that got people’s attention
narrow nymph
Yes the gloves look about right. And lately soldier's darker story elements haven't really been looked into. Maybe ties with Soujourn?
Yeah I can see something protruding like a gun 🔫 , no doubt that's his gloves and yes it did look familiar. When was the last time it was used?
narrow nymph
Oh i see it now.
limpid agate
As for Soldier, his tie is that they were both part of Overwatch high command
Sojourn was around for 20+ years
And she replaced Ana as #2 when she "died"
It has nothing to do with that image though
That's just a placeholder frame theyve been using for literal years
narrow nymph
And she replaced Ana as #2 when she "died"
Oh, so that would be exciting to see them at crossroads. Does Sojourn know Ana is alive
cosmic crest
Mercy could tell her as well.
limpid agate
Yes, or Mercy
worn island
has reaper alerted the rest of talon as to soldier and ana being alive?
worn island
ty
past copper
You know, after seeing Sombra and Bastion get some amazing reworks, I wonder if we could see some other reworks from lore? Like Reaper’s grenade launcher function to his shotguns or Genji’s smoke teleportation
I guess there’s not that much to use from comics or animated shorts
limpid agate
Torbjorn's wire traps in Binary exist.
past copper
limpid agate
But most of this wilder stuff is better for PvE
Reaper is mostly fine now
Same with Genji
Balancing based on lore is also a bad idea
past copper
I forgot about the wire trap. But I had thought that would be an interesting ability for Torb to have. I guess. I just don’t see Torbjörn as the trapping type
past copper
Balancing based on lore is also a bad idea
I mean… yea. They didn’t change Sombra too much. They just buffed the hell out of her
past copper
If you say so about her being weaker.
I still think Reaper could use grenades as an alternate fire. It’s just an idea. Which I highly doubt Blizzard would actually use. But who knows? Plenty of time before they reveal anything else about OW2.
Fingers crossed in October, because I don’t think I can wait until November
past copper
Damn. Oh well. Maybe new Halloween skins, emotes, voice lines, and victory poses will keep people busy until November.
compact cobalt
Yeah for sure don’t expect literally anything until November
turbid ruin
remember mccree has no name yet they still changing his name so nowadays i call him jesse mcnugget dats only for me i call him that for now until they have given him a new name
limpid agate
The easiest change will be Joel Morricone
peak escarp
there's no harm in calling him McCree until the new name is revealed
compact cobalt
There’s no harm in calling him cree even after his new name change too
I don’t think I’m ever gonna get used to cree not being cree
outer sparrow
😩
arctic loom
what exactly
happening in november?
i see people keep saying something going happen this month
like being the month they going reveal the new name of mccree
peak escarp
it's most likely November
since October will be taken up by Halloween Terror
and they did say it would be "later this year"
limpid agate
Hopefully we get some lore with Malevento
arctic loom
what country is malevento?
peak escarp
Italy
past copper
Isn’t Malenvento dropping sometime this week
worthy rose
didn't it already
past copper
I don’t know. I don’t get on the game until late in the day. I just don’t remember when the map was supposed to be released
I assumed it was supposed to be the end of the month
Never mind. Malenvento releases tomorrow on the 28th.
peak escarp
lore is the story and characters of the game
outer sparrow
ohhh thx
past copper
Who knows though. Malenvento might keep people distracted. Mostly. New maps always get players attention. Especially those looking for anything that can be added to lore
Though, if it’s anything like the last map added, there’s probably little more than a piece of lore surrounding one character
past copper
I meant kanezaka with the graffiti and letters