#lore-discussion

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ivory garnet
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the ending of Reunion aswell , but thats only relevant for Echo

molten shore
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Genji vs zarya who would win

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I'm saying Zarya

ivory garnet
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genji

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arguably the fastest in the verse (not counting tp)

peak escarp
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Zarya would do to Genji what she did to Sombra

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Graviton Surge

worthy rose
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what did soldier 76 do in Istanbul cause he mentions it in one of his voice lines before matches

molten shore
limpid agate
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Searching is the comic

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!!lorecomics

twilit nacelleBOT
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Comics Series 1:
Train Hopper: https://bit.ly/2vaOY0I
Dragon Slayer: https://bit.ly/2GpRZRk
Going Legit: https://bit.ly/2InZUkm
A Better World: https://bit.ly/2DeJGpK
Mission Statement: https://bit.ly/2UFLC5o
Destroyer: https://bit.ly/2XcYZ9G
Legacy: https://bit.ly/2DgM1jQ
Old Soldiers: https://bit.ly/2KLILTV
Junkenstein: https://bit.ly/2Is3WZ4
Reflections: https://bit.ly/2IoZQkr
Binary: https://bit.ly/2IzNvJy
Uprising: https://bit.ly/2UCymhE
Masquerade: https://bit.ly/2IzNTI0
Wasted Land: https://bit.ly/2DeKB9G
Searching: https://bit.ly/2Gh3jy6
Retribution: https://bit.ly/2XePmHG

Tracer - London Calling:
#1: https://bit.ly/3mknXBx
#2: https://bit.ly/318GEix
#3: https://bit.ly/3lorayj
#4: https://bit.ly/2MTe3JM
#5: https://bit.ly/3bD4dVi

Cassidy - New Blood:
#1: https://bit.ly/3wJqcnL
#2: https://bit.ly/3ejXkd0
#3: https://bit.ly/3fbBwB3
#4: https://bit.ly/3B9zLOE
#5: https://bit.ly/3iaM0lB

Mini-Comics:
Return of Junkenstein: https://bit.ly/2Gqp7Z8
Yeti Hunt: https://bit.ly/2VPmxRI

mental depot
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what is the lore behind Kiriko's bike?

peak escarp
peak escarp
molten shore
# peak escarp

Imma edit genji in her place to annoy someone who said genji top 3 strongest

ivory garnet
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genji no where near top 3 strongest, fastest yeah, no strongest tho

limpid agate
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Winston and Doomfist are both hard stronger

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Then there's also Sigma, Orisa and Symmetra

opaque scroll
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If we ignore symm, who's the next top 5 contender?

limpid agate
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Excluding Symmetra... Yeah probably Genji or Tracer then

brittle vessel
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why did sombra join talon

formal frost
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!!loreguide

ivory garnet
worthy rose
# peak escarp

I feel like Genji could speed blitz her before she gets the chance. Can Zarya even react to Genji's burst?

feral skiff
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so... does genji have a yknow robo fella?

worthy rose
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I think he was chopped in half iirc but don't quote me on that

feral skiff
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so he has 2?

worthy rose
ivory garnet
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only thing Dva can do is use her nuke, but without her mecha its kinda pointless, I have Sigma instead if her

worthy rose
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But I don't see Sigma being able to destroy her suit though

alpine pawn
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i still defend sigma being able to control gravity but regardless, dvas mech is actually very strong is like an atack plain in steroides

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you have to think the other heroes are mostly infantry shes literarly a mechanized fighter

worthy rose
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His best feat of gravity manipulation was in game where he creates a boulder

alpine pawn
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i mean if we go by his ult he can lift a whole team and the heaviest heroe

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besides if he had only enough strenght to launch a rock the whole giving him gavity powers would be a waste

worthy rose
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Oh yeah I forgot about the ult

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Yeah maybe he could destroy Dva's suit

meager herald
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I have important lore news

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Reinheardt has a foot fetish for dva

peak escarp
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!!shitposting @meager herald

twilit nacelleBOT
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@meager herald Shitposting will result in a loss of access.

meager herald
meager herald
peak escarp
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he does not

sullen raptor
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She just wanna snoop around illegally and talon is perfect for that

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Idk if overwatch gang will approve her method

dense nebula
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Doomfist just kinda lets people do their own thing under Talon

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Which could easily come back to bite him

meager herald
peak escarp
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link?

sullen raptor
meager herald
peak escarp
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all he says is "knocked you off your feet"

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how is that a foot fetish?

dreamy epoch
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🤨

peak escarp
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have you never heard that phrase before?

sullen raptor
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Not in ow1

peak escarp
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he's literally knocking people off their feet

meager herald
sullen raptor
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I think thats ow2 voice

peak escarp
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that's absolutely what he said

sullen raptor
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Eh anyway

peak escarp
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what do you think he said?

meager herald
sullen raptor
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Yea no

peak escarp
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that's definitely not what he said

meager herald
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I’m gonna farm this voicline again in training to get something more clear

peak escarp
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this is why you should have subtitles on

sullen raptor
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Even without subtitle i can hear it just fine..knocked u off ur feet = beat u up

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Its just more pg than saying i beat u up to idk? 20 yr old woman?

meager herald
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Yeah sorry I was just caught up in the memes with my friends and misheard

peak escarp
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they wouldn't put fetish stuff in the voice lines

meager herald
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Yeah I know now

opal flax
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So Bob is Like A father For Ashe?

peak escarp
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I guess?

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he was there for her more than her real father

opal flax
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Yeah

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Ashe doesnt want to admit That

peak escarp
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she's too prideful

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but she does care about Bob in her own way

opal flax
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But we all Know That She cares
y about Our Favorite omnic Boy Lol

flat spade
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bawb is the best character in ow change my mind

peak escarp
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there's a moment in the novel where she snaps at Bob then immediately feels bad about it

opal flax
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Just Like she Never wants to admit That She has a crush on Casiddy or i Still call him McCree

peak escarp
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A sour taste rose in her throat. “Do I look hungry right now?” she snapped. 
The omnic simply blinked at her and placed the tray on the table. Immediately, Ashe felt a pang of guilt. B.O.B. hadn’t done anything wrong. In fact, he’d been the only dependable part of her life. Except, of course, during the war, when he’d disappeared. Like all omnics, he disappeared during the Omnic Crisis. Years passed, during which Ashe thought she’d never see the butler again. It had surprised her how much she missed the omnic when he was gone. Then, after the war had ended, he returned to Lead Rose, newly sentient and … different in ways Ashe never entirely understood. But he was still the companion she remembered. And he’d stuck by her side ever since. Unlike her parents.```
opal flax
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She keeps a picture of Them in her Bike lol

opal flax
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So i ask myself did He Fight or did He hide.

peak escarp
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we may never know

opal flax
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And Whats even More sweet That He didnt tried to kill Ashe instead He Went Out Lol.

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Since The Omnics turned against Humans

flat spade
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bob knew ashe just needed someone to love her, and he wanted to be there for her so he left before he turned i think

opal flax
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Yeah i mean she Had a hard childhood

peak escarp
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Bob is just the best

opal flax
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No Wonder she Has a Bond Torwards him.

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Her Patents neglected her and He was there.

flat spade
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cute bob spray when

peak escarp
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if Bob ever sacrifices himself to save Ashe I'm going to bawl 😭

opal flax
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She even Only formed The Gang to actually get a Family.

flat spade
opal flax
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Same

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Ashe is a pretty tragic Character If i Think about That.

peak escarp
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she's had a rough life

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but she wouldn't want you to pity her

flat spade
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she would want u to remember her legacy i think

peak escarp
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all she wants is respect

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by any means possible

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she couldn't get respect from her parents, so she gets it from her gang

flat spade
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man im a damn simp for her 😭

sharp trench
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i hope they go more in-depth on Bob

mortal quarry
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How many years overwatch been haping

peak escarp
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there's about a year or so between Overwatch 1 and Overwatch 2

dreamy epoch
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Is that from rebels

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man I need to read that book

peak escarp
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yes

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it's a great novel

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if you can, get the audiobook

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Jen Hale reads it

dreamy epoch
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😱🥹

stiff bloom
ancient kraken
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i am still confused brigitte is törbjörns sonnor reinharts son

limpid agate
ancient kraken
nova needle
worthy rose
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in the line where genji and solider talks about that genji didnt stop blackwatch what does jack talk about?

grand wedge
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It’s Jack blaming anyone but himself

worthy rose
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yea but about what?

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what did blackwatch do that jack is blameing on genji?

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and another thing, so if overwatch themself didnt want moira to do her testing on living things and blackwatch was a part of overwatch why did blackwatch allow her to do this?

gilded yacht
# worthy rose yea but about what?

About ReTribution event, Genji was a part of the Blackwatch strike team in Venice. I think he is blaming genji for not standing up against Reyes actions (killing Antonio)

gilded yacht
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I think this is very interesting topic in terms of the morality of the Overwatch organization. Which there is a lot to talk about. But shit man i got other things to do BastionBirb

worthy rose
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thanks! i have another thing to ask
i think overwatch has 3 types of pepole
hero, ani-hero, and bad guys
genji is one of the heroes why did he agree to help moira?

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and why did reaper join talon?

grand wedge
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Jack is blaming Genji for not stand up against Reyes & the things Blackwatch did on missions... like, come on Jack, YOU were the one that could have stop Reyes in the first place, not Genji that was strugling with his mental health and was barely speaking two words at the time

grand wedge
worthy rose
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he did he was in blackwatch and didnt tell overwatch about her testing on living things

worthy rose
grand wedge
# worthy rose and why did reaper join talon?

Because Moira did Things to Reaper ( he became a wraith before Retribution - she genetically modified him when he had already went in the SEP (that captain amercia super soldium program kinda like)- and he became unstable and made morally disputable choices - and Doomfist kinda bested him in mind games, saying Talon would punish the people that goes unpunished. Also, after the Explosion of the HQ, Moira "saved" him and he didn't have anywhere else to go

grand wedge
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for a start

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his brother attempt to killing him

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having to help Blackwatch in exchange for a new body & information against his clan

worthy rose
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what clan?

grand wedge
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The Shimada

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but it may - or may not - be retcon with the new lore with Hashimoto & stuff...

worthy rose
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so genji gave blackwatch information against his clan?

grand wedge
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This is his old biography on the website ⤴️

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here is the new one...

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flat spade
worthy rose
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what did he gave away about is clan to blackwatch?

grand wedge
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we don't know

worthy rose
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i still dont get why he didnt do nothing about moira testing on living things

grand wedge
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the old bio is the only thing that we have - but with Kiriko, now they said that Sojiro Shimada was murdered by the Hashimoto...

grand wedge
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Moira was doing her own stuff behind every people's back

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she probably ehanced talon soldiers while she was in Blackwatch

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we don't even know when she left Blackwatch 🤷‍♀️

worthy rose
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in moira origin story we see reaper, genji and cassidy wanting her in blackwatch and she says they didnt mind her testing and didnt the ask reaper "hey dude how tf can you turn into a shadow now?" they had you know

grand wedge
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Yeah they knew

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It was Reyes problem, not theirs - he gave his consent (maybe he didn't know the full extent but he let her do he thing)

worthy rose
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but if overwatch didnt want her to do this and they stoped her from doing so why didnt blackwatch? why the genji and cassidy stayed in blackwatch even if they know she was doing that?

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in am here watching kiriko video on youtube i see that genji's clan was evil why did he join them if they are bad guys?

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wait you said they knew and the didnt knew which one is it?
overwatch tried to stop moira but blackwatch agreed for it and joined her on thier team, why did genji and cassidy agreed to her testing?

grand wedge
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Moira was working on her own before being recruited by Reyes

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she was never part of Overwatch

worthy rose
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yea but overwatch stopped her testing

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and blackwatch agreed to let her keep doing this

grand wedge
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Closed her lab is maybe more accurate

grand wedge
worthy rose
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they did

grand wedge
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Reyes did

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And only on him

worthy rose
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didnt they agree to keep doing ALL her testing?

grand wedge
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no

worthy rose
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but even if reyes agreed only on him overwatch didnt and genji and cassidy are a part of overwatch they needed to stop them

ivory garnet
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thats the reason soldier had a voiceline with genji about not stopping Reyes and all of blackwatch’s mishaps

grand wedge
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here, the circle is complete

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but it's really pot-kettle from Jack to blame that on Genji & Cassidy, when he was the one just letting Reyes do his own thing

worthy rose
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@grand wedge you said solider was angry about reyes killing talon's leader and genji not doing anything not anything about moira

grand wedge
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no?

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You said that

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I said "Jack is blaming Genji for not stand up against Reyes & the things Blackwatch did on missions... like, come on Jack, YOU were the one that could have stop Reyes in the first place, not Genji that was strugling with his mental health and was barely speaking two words at the time"

worthy rose
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oh

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then why did genji let reyes do that?

grand wedge
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he is a subordinate

worthy rose
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i dont know what that word means

grand wedge
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Reyes is his boss

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it's not his place to tell him what to do or not

worthy rose
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hey i know it as nothing to do with overwatch but can i ask you something if were talking?

grand wedge
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yeah?

worthy rose
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so i have OCD and i just sneezed on myself and i am scared should i go wash my leg or do nothing?

grand wedge
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yeah you should

worthy rose
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ill go it just that i allready washed it 2 times today

flat spade
grand wedge
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I think he was on a difficult position while leading Overwatch... deal with politics, regulations, while wanting to do good for the world, and having his close friend/former commander doing things "necessary" to achieve a greater good...

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but clearly he didn't stop Reyes, and that's on him. You can see in the comics, he just let Reyes do whatever he wanted

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And Jack is blaming others, but not himself.

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Did you hear that Sojourn elim quote?

flat spade
flat spade
grand wedge
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When Soldier kills an enemy Sojourn, he says " That's for testifying against Overwatch"

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he is angry about anything and anyone but himself

grand wedge
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but the public eye, they thought that the rift was from that promotion, but the rift really started at Retribution, after Moira did her experiments on him

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and it exploded with Ana "death"

ivory garnet
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Ana is alive💀

flat spade
worthy rose
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monke

grand wedge
worthy rose
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so wait doomfist is the leader of talon?

ivory garnet
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yeah

worthy rose
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and how did he get reaper to join?

grand wedge
ivory garnet
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ig u could read that

grand wedge
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If you want to talk about the lore - sometimes you have to read the stories in order to talk about it after 🙂

spiral gale
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can Lucio do a flip

astral sphinx
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Wait this is the wrong chat

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My bad guys

worthy rose
ivory garnet
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!!loreguide

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or sumn

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its in pins

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.

grand wedge
ivory garnet
bitter kayak
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Was sigma manipulated by talon? he seems so polite, plus sombra seems worried about him

kindred nimbus
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Even baptiste is worried he was asking why he wasnt leaving talon

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He said that talon gives what he needs

bitter kayak
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poor sigma

nova needle
bitter kayak
nova needle
bitter kayak
grand wedge
worthy rose
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Where can i see sigma's oeigun story i get nothung frim the video

grand wedge
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It was in the old bio and some interviews mostly

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That you could learn more about him

nova needle
peak escarp
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Sigma's personality was not split into three

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also Sigma wasn't playing the melody during the experiment, we don't know where the melody comes from

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it's likely an auditory hallucination

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also we don't know how long Sigma was in the facility

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wow this guy is just making stuff up

nova needle
peak escarp
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maybe dont trust a random tiktoker?

nova needle
peak escarp
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no, you shouldn't

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you should trust official sources only

grand wedge
# nova needle Maybe I shouldn’t trust a random person on discord?

Here are the official sources for Sigma :

Michael Chu on Polygon interview : https://www.polygon.com/interviews/2019/7/31/20747387/overwatch-sigma-blizzard-interview-mental-illness?utm_campaign=polygon&utm_content=chorus&utm_medium=social&utm_source=twitter

Michael Chu on another Polygon interview : https://www.polygon.com/2019/7/31/20747256/overwatch-sigma-development-gameplay-lore-talon-interview?utm_campaign=polygon&utm_content=chorus&utm_medium=social&utm_source=twitter

Also, the biography :

SIGMA_vo.jpg
Polygon
Blizzard explains new Overwatch hero’s design, mental health, and b...

What does the new Talon tank say about Overwatch?

Polygon
Behind the scenes of developing Sigma, Overwatch’s latest hero

This tank was almost an established lore character

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When you read all this, you can come and talk and debate with us 🙂

white cobalt
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TFW they deleted the bios

grand wedge
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Yup

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It’s really laughable…

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I get that that wanted to make it easier for new players, but they got rid of the names and ages of the characters is kinda… weird

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Tracer doesn’t even have her name on hers anymore, and she’s like, the poster girl of Overwatch

rain shoal
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bruh thats a dumb af move from their side

grand wedge
peak escarp
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we can still find the bios with the wayback machine

grand wedge
peak escarp
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but hopefully we get better bios when the PvE comes out

grand wedge
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yeah, let's hope its the real reason... because those bios are a serious downgrade from the first game...

dreamy epoch
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wayback moment

white cobalt
peak escarp
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yeah

grand wedge
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They totally could, but they didn't gwadaSweat

dreamy epoch
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Overwatch in a nutshell

peak escarp
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sad but true

frosty lance
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i wish they didnt remove maps completely 😦 you should at least be able to use them for custom games

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does blizzard plan to rerelease all the old 2cp maps eventually?

clever raft
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aren’t they in arcade?

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and a characters lore i wanna know is that ominic doomfist was talking too

rain shoal
peak escarp
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they're not removed completely

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they still exist in the game

frosty lance
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but you can't use them for custom right?, so its entirely dependent on arcade's limited modes

rain shoal
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i dont think ive seen 2cp maps in custom games iirc

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also wrong channel...

frosty lance
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sorry, i was complaining mostly because i like them for lore reasons, so its kinda related

peak escarp
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they can still be used for custom games

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potentially, if they get remade for new modes, they could add new lore to those locations

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like when HLC got remodeled to add more cover, they added Hammond's room

grand wedge
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We’re definitely getting a PVE mission in the Temple of Anubis. (Maybe the map will be a bit different but we definitely will)

wet mural
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Is there gonna be a story mode or campaign or anything like that in the game?

peak escarp
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yes

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next year

stiff axle
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maybe

slim breach
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  1. There's no way they don't do it. They spent 3 years making pvp.
peak escarp
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they spent 3 years making the PvE

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the PvP only took about a year, apparently

stiff axle
dreamy epoch
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making with multiple quotation marks

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man I'm about to go rewatch the blizzconline

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that gave me so much hope for the pve side of the game

green pivot
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Why did Hanzo stop using a sword and start using a bow?

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And wasn’t he so much better with a sword even better the genji?

peak escarp
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because he was ashamed of what he did

green pivot
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So I caused him to stop using a sword?

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Bc ik he “killed” genji with a sword I think but just never understood why he switched when he was a goat with a sword

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Unless he was so mad and or sad at himself for “killing” his brother

peak escarp
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that's what it was

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he was ashamed of what he did to Genji with a sword, so he swore to never use the sword again

polar igloo
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yea he talks about it in game with kiriko

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Along the lines of "My mother asked how is your sword training going?"
"I am ashamed of what I did, I will never pick up a blade again"
"I'll just tell her that you're practicing"

green pivot
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I would love to see hanzo use a sword just to see how good he is

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Bc look at genji he’s inane and if hanzo was better then Jesus

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Ik

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He’s probably trash with a sword now

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But like I would like to see a full fight between him and genji

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Like the fight that “killed” genji

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Ik

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I’m just wondering how he would look like with a sword

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Just bc he’s already a badass

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In?

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Oh

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Well I still wanna see a full fight

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A new one or the old one with genii

frosty lance
green pivot
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Ik I seen it

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I just want to see a full on fight

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Like how he “killed “ genji

frosty lance
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i want a reason to like hanzo

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because since trying to murder his brother, basically all he's done is mope

green pivot
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Wym

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He’s a likable person

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Funny,badass,chill

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Cool voicelines

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Cool ult

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Nice abilities

frosty lance
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the whole him trying to kill genji because his family didn't like him thing is just something i've always disliked hanzo for

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because i actually like genji as a character, so it immediately puts hanzo in a foul light for me

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i know his family pushed him to do it, but it was his choice in end, so its like.. how bad am i supposed to feel

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and i feel like they really haven't done much to make him likeable since. he dismantled the family, but that was out of guilt, which he should absolutely feel, but afaik from his interactions (which i dont know if they're considered canon, someone please correct me if not) he still seems sour towards genji in general, which he has no right to be. it's almost like he's mad that he didnt stay dead, and is now a ghost haunting him

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so to me it just feels like he did something horrible, then felt bad and lashed out even more, and now is just standoffish to everyone

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but i could have it wrong, i'm coming back to OW after a long time so maybe things are different

alpine pawn
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Nah thats pretty much it

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Like he prob felt bad but feeling bad about commiting fraticide hardly makes up for it lol

frosty lance
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exactly

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he's just kind of a scumbag for it and im sad it impacts my enjoyment of him as a character, it adds depth sure but i just dont like him

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maybe if genji was actually terrible i wouldnt feel so strongly

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he's a deeply flawed character, which can be great for adding depth and development. but they haven't developed anything lmao

peak escarp
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yet

frosty lance
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yeah. its been so long though, i dont even really expect much

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but i dont think i'll ever be able to like him bc i like genji so much more

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its like damn, you really did all that to him and have the nerve to be nasty to him still

iron osprey
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im wondering if genji actually died and mercy revived him or if he was just mortally wounded

frosty lance
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he was ordered to kill him and for all intents and purposes, he did

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he didn't want to, but he ended up doing it anyway

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he chose his elders over his own brother

peak escarp
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that's part of Japanese culture

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honoring your elders

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it would have been dishonorable for him to refuse their order

clever raft
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which is just another way of hanzo kinda being manipulated tbh

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keen stump
frosty lance
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he was manipulated but he's still the perpetrator of attempted fratricide of an innocent person

turbid umbra
peak escarp
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in fact the lore portrays it as a terrible justification

turbid umbra
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Yeah I think hes supposed to be in the wrong

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But he knows that too

subtle dust
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Techinically sigma solos the intire universe

turbid umbra
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Yup

ivory garnet
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can someone give me a summary of Mauga

turbid umbra
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I just know he was baptistes friend in talon lol

cursive pawn
ivory garnet
alpine pawn
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lead theory is that hes oceania native and will be a tank

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but yeah not an awful lot on him

rotund ermine
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he's most probably Hawaiian

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his name means mountain in Samoan

peak escarp
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wouldn't that mean he's more likely to be Samoan?

rotund ermine
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his cloth looked more Hawaiian in the emote he had in-game for ow1

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either or, he's def one of them

peak escarp
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he was wearing a Hawaiian shirt

rotund ermine
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ye

peak escarp
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it's a particular type of shirt, often worn by tourists

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Looked like it was his style and it fits the look of his archetype

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also he has the bone necklace

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his tattoos are another indicator

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seems too obvious

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He has Kakau

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which is traditional to hawaiian islands

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they're not exclusive to Hawaii

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they're extremely similar yea

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Samoans and Hawaiians share a similar culture. His entire design in that picture gives it away, i'd be shocked if he's neither

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Both Polynesians

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Hawaiian is less likely

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yea overall it's most likely Samoan

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those tattoos are also expensive af lmao

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cant samoans be hawaians? honest question

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Someone can be mixed, or a Samoan living in Hawaii

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if that's what you meant

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It's possible, depends which parent is which ethnicity

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either way he's most likely either or both

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oh i see

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for sure

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Part of the mech squad right?

iron plume
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no

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o

iron plume
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He's with Talon

south glen
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O

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That’s cool

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I’m guessing a brawl type tank

iron plume
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This is the meka squad

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One on the right looks cool

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Is there any lore on torb and the ironclad guild

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Not too much

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Other than what we learned from Destroyer

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Thats what im reading rn and he mentioned the ironclad so I went to ask lol

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Wait wtf

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Hes called sven

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The guy torb talks to is called sven

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What a W

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I would like to see them add another character from horizon

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I wanna see what other animals there was

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When ana pulls off reapers mask she asks what happened to you and reaper answers “he did this to me”

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Who is ‘he’

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I thought moira made him like that

peak escarp
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he blames Jack

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Soldier 76

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Do we know why exactly?

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Im curious, who saved soldier 76 from the explosion?

peak escarp
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we don't know

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i did

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it's hinted that he's Maori

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right, Maori

mental turtle
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im actually the overwatch co owner

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i can vouch

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i hired him

iron plume
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oh Doc got you there already

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im excited to see the big guy more, his design is so cool

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is there lore behind each hero?

peak escarp
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of course there is

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😮

peak escarp
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but since the bio pages got gutted, the best place to learn is on the wiki

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like I cant imagine a situation where someone saved him

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lore wise we dont get many interactions where it talks about that event, or what happened after

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he disappeared and then just became a merc

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its not out of the realm of possibility that he maybe was saved by someone

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but I cannot imagine any particular person

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Im thinking of people hes had actual connections with. The people that come to mind are Ana, Reaper, Mercy, and others but I doubt if someone DID save him, it wasnt one of those three (possible though)

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could’ve been himself, or someone we dont know of yet

jade ether
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Im eliminating reaper because why would he save a man he tried to kill immediately after the battle

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that leaved Mercy and Ana

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It could not have been Ana

jade ether
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Mercy is never mentioned to be aware of the confrontation, but its not impossible for her to be there

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that leaves ana, who I also believe didnt save him

limpid agate
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It could not have been Ana

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Ana went off the grid before overwatch even collapsed

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She was an amnesiac at the time

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I know it couldnt have. read my message again

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I said 'I also believe didnt save him"

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anyways

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it couldn't have been Mercy, she didn't know either Jack or Ana were alive until they showed up in Valkyrie

jade ether
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That means it is impossible for her to be there

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which is why I think he just got lucky or smart or BOTH and saved himself

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yes

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i know

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I said that

limpid agate
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but its not impossible for her to be there

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You said the exact opposite

jade ether
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.

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but AFTER I said that, I said I believe she didnt save him

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that invalidates by previous hypothesis by default

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tf

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im literally thinking on the fly, its not uncommon for ideas to change from moment to the other?

jade ether
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so is Ana

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and reaper is just well, kinda clear

peak escarp
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it's possible someone we haven't met saved him

jade ether
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that is possible

peak escarp
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but it's also possible he was able to escape on his own

jade ether
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but thats the thing

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Jack survived (on his own presumably) but

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Reaper essentially died

peak escarp
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he wasn't dead

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not a literal death !

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like a soft one, I guess

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# 
Moira O’Deorain—the mad geneticist whom he’d recruited into Blackwatch. A
choice that would prove to deliver an endless array of unintended consequences.
As Reyes drifted in and out of consciousness, Moira explained how she’d
overloaded his body with a cocktail of experimental chemicals—a juiced-up
version of the substance that had first given him the ability to manipulate his
form. She claimed he’d been close to death and she’d had no other option.
Though the scientist cloaked her motivations in the cool logic of her field, Reyes
knew she enjoyed her work more when playing with helpless test subjects.```
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ok so I just seen on fyp about Reinhardts background and stuff and soldiers dead?

jade ether
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I knew of thi

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*this

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honestly I called it a death just cuse

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like he totally changed

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but yeah not literally

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he was definitely about to until Moiras interference

peak escarp
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many characters have "died", but none of them were actually dead and came back to life

jade ether
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right!

peak escarp
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and several characters have died and remain dead

willow torrent
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ah gotcha

limpid agate
willow torrent
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ok

limpid agate
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A lot of heroes have been perceived as dead

jade ether
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as we all know Overwatch was a rather large organization

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and they were in the public eye

limpid agate
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Ana, Bastion, Genji, Mei, Orisa, Reaper, Soldier, Tracer, and Widowmaker were all at one point perceived as dead.

willow torrent
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I have a lot or reading to taking down to do

jade ether
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that why I was surprised they introduced someone like Kiriko, who was never in overwatch. I fell like they have a lot of room to introduced another character thats former OW

limpid agate
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The only ones who were dead to the audience were Genji (Hanzo's backstory) and Orisa (OR15 predecessor)

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Not being related to Overwatch shouldnt be a surprise

willow torrent
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ya hanzo killed Genji and Genji now cybernetic

limpid agate
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Lots of heroes arent

jade ether
jade ether
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i know several arent former ow but

limpid agate
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For post launch heroes, excluding Talon related heroes

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Orisa, Hammond, Ashe, Junker Queen, and Kiriko all have no relation to Overwatch.

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I excluded Brig because she was Torb's daughter and Rein's squire during their tenure of Overwatch

jade ether
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Im not denying that several characters have no relation to Overwatch

willow torrent
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Hammond and Winston are from another planet right?

jade ether
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I am merely pointing out that I felt they couldve done more with OW as an organization in general

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it was massive

jade ether
limpid agate
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That was the purpose of Sojourn as an addition.

limpid agate
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the difference is they were sent to the moon from testing

willow torrent
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oh

jade ether
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Yep

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research purposes

willow torrent
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yes and Winston was a failed experiment and joined ow

jade ether
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Winston wasnt the failed experiment

peak escarp
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Winston was the most successful experiment from the colony

willow torrent
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oh sucseess

jade ether
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the program in general was a failure,

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winston was the success

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We need more cowboys ingame

peak escarp
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the other apes didn't gain the intelligence that Winston did

jade ether
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recall that the Primates on the moon all rebelled against the humans

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it was bound to happen

peak escarp
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or rather, the rationality

jade ether
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Winston took the opportunity to escape back to earth

jade ether
peak escarp
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the other apes were smart and angry - a dangerous combination

jade ether
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A very dangerous combination

willow torrent
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thats an excellent example

willow torrent
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haha movies help in nearly every situation

jade ether
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Hammond was the same

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also incredibly intelligent

peak escarp
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I'm sure there was some inspiration

willow torrent
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oh so Hammond is the name of the hamster

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except when he tried to return to earth his pod broke, and he landed in australia

peak escarp
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ok

peak escarp
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Wrecking Ball is his stage name

jade ether
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The rolling mech just communicates for him, seeing as he doesnt have the capabilities of speech like winston

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and the talking ball

jade ether
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the ball is just an AI

peak escarp
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yup

jade ether
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it speaks for him

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because obviously the hamster cannot speak

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Hammond has some sass tho

peak escarp
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it's a minor AI and translator

jade ether
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he also apparently holds grudges, as we see from his interactions with winston

willow torrent
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yeah Winston stole plans or smth?

jade ether
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He simply discovered it, not knowing it was of Hammonds design

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I'm lookin at the roster and sigma has a big nose

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has has nothing to do with this but it pretty large

jade ether
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He feels even more betrayed by the fact that Winston left to earth without him.

jade ether
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Sigma is my favorite character lore wise

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How can a man driven insane by the powers of a black hole not be interesting?

dense cliff
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so true

jade ether
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Its frighteningly beautiful.

willow torrent
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yeah he was experimenting with gravity

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he failed

dense cliff
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it feels weird how all the truly interesting characters get no story or focus

jade ether
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now he was in prison for his other personalities crimes

jade ether
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the only lore we've gotten of him is his character teaser

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nothing more

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its been years

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no one knows for sure if he actually has a split personality

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its a very good guess but who knows>

jade ether
dense cliff
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i wouldnt think he has split personalities

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i think he just has amnesia or something

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thats my guess

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if he had amnesia how could he recall the event>

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*?

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also I've been told I look like junkrat

jade ether
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I believe he just gone mad

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just a bit more civil

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his subconcious mind is broken

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recall that Sigma also is under Talon

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I wouldn't be suprised if Moira did some mental stuff to keep him stable

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and in the process

dense cliff
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well also the effects interacting with black holes can have on a body and mind

jade ether
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locked his concious mind away

jade ether
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it would have killed him

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in the video sigma constantly mentions how the black hole is

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"in him"

dense cliff
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we dont know that for sure tho, has anyone touched a black hole 🤔

jade ether
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they crush everything

dense cliff
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im simply joking lol

jade ether
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because they are incredibly dense

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like

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insanely so

jade ether
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dense cliff
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im just saying lore wise it makes sense that interacting with such hostile and unpredictable forces would probably alter your mind and body

jade ether
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jade ether
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that a good way to summariz it

jade ether
dense cliff
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he also hears music

jade ether
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sorry 😭

jade ether
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a beautiful melody

dense cliff
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i think that will tie in some day to the lore

willow torrent
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I did somd study during the summer

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on space and stuff

dense cliff
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like maybe he is the tie between realities or something, or maybe he is just crazy lol

jade ether
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however during the ultimate, the melody becomes

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chaotic after a few seconds

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ive taken a clip and secluded the actual melody

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for the first few moments its quite nice

willow torrent
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oh doesn't sigma have the melody of the opening screen on repeat in his head

jade ether
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but it becomes a cacophony

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a horrible, disgusting sound

dense cliff
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i dont know much about black holes but dont they always spit out somewhere else or is that just sci-fi logic lol

jade ether
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I like to think it reflects Sigmas mind

dense cliff
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a beautiful peace of work, Torn apart by a black hole. Terrifying. Amazing.

willow torrent
dense cliff
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maybe the music is the only way his mind can comprehend what he hears from the black hole, like eldrich horror type situation

jade ether
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there is an effect that is exactly that

dense cliff
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light can't get out of a black hole as its a vacuum

jade ether
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sometimes when the brain cannot properly process something, it will translate it in ways that the mind can understand

willow torrent
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like space itself

jade ether
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the natural reaction of the brain is to make sense of things

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and to do that we must define things by what we know

dense cliff
jade ether
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thats why we define speech by the language we speak

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or how we define lengths and math as numbers

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it is impossible to understand without knowing first

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weird right?

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a twisted catch 22

dense cliff
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i mean i guess but goes the same for other parts of language too

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language is a very fascinating thing

jade ether
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so yes

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it is possible that Sigma translates or defines the information he was blasted with as Music

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I doubt theres any actual music lol

willow torrent
jade ether
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honestly im impressed by that thought !

dense cliff
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lets say sigma is indeed a little gone in the head

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hallucinates and has issues with sensory perception

willow torrent
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does anyone like arson or any other related topics

jade ether
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auditory hallucinations

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fascinating

dense cliff
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people can sometimes hear things, see things, feel things that arent there when going through extreme trauma or have gone through extreme trauma

jade ether
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Honestly sigma is cool to me because I am a physics nut

willow torrent
jade ether
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ok

dense cliff
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if sigma experimenting with black holes damaged his brain in anyway it could cause his brain to rewire or change

willow torrent
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much likely

jade ether
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the difference between hallucinations is that schiz is a conditions

dense cliff
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and when i mean trauma i mean mostly like physical trauma for sigma

jade ether
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hallucinations are a symptom

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medically speaking, of course

dense cliff
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schizophrenia is crossed off simply because he only has auditory hallucinations as we know of

tall jungle
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yall are nerds who cares about lore

dense cliff
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you need multiple symptoms for schizophrenia

tall jungle
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who cares its a game

dense cliff
jade ether
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lol

dense cliff
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idk its fun

tall jungle
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you guys got be bad at the game

dense cliff
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i enjoy thinking about things 😌

jade ether
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i dont recall anyone pinging you, if you dont like it thats fine

tall jungle
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go read a book nerd

dense cliff
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i dont have to be good at a game to enjoy it?

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jade ether
tall jungle
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guess not

dense cliff
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also ur making big assumptions for someone who doesnt know me

jade ether
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you have a Homelander pfp my guy, please don't talk to me about nerds DoomfistHuh

tall jungle
dense cliff
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anyway

tall jungle
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looks like a toddler made it

jade ether
dense cliff
#

sigma is very interesting and i enjoy his character a lot

jade ether
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the artists is in their 30s

tall jungle
jade ether
dense cliff
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i also like moira kinda in the same way :))

jade ether
dense cliff
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she is very complex character morally

tall jungle
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all i know bout overwatch lore is fr every hot baddie has a piece of me

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jade ether
tall jungle
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graceful magnet
tall jungle
dense cliff
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what is happening

jade ether
graceful magnet
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shouldn't you get back to talking about lore

willow torrent
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can the "nerds" get back to explaining something they love?

jade ether
graceful magnet
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🤓

jade ether
graceful magnet
willow torrent
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don't respond to him

jade ether
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I didn't plan to

dense cliff
jade ether
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its obvious who

dense cliff
#

lets get back to it

jade ether
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right

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anyways

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Moira is.. im conflicted about her honestly

willow torrent
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it's a trap- Admiral akbar

graceful magnet
dense cliff
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really? i mean i find her really deep honestly

tall jungle
jade ether
dense cliff
jade ether
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absolutely

willow torrent
jade ether
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but

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idk

dense cliff
jade ether
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Questionable methods of research, I wont deny they're useful

dense cliff
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i like her interactions with mercy a lot

graceful magnet
jade ether
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stop responding to them, those who don't listen stay stupid

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not our problem

dense cliff
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it explains their thoughts and why they do different types of research

willow torrent
jade ether
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no actually

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they do the same research!

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but they achieve it in different methods

dense cliff
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thats what i mean

willow torrent
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oh junkrat is Australian bit english

dense cliff
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and that technically wouldnt be the same research

willow torrent
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not*

jade ether
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Both of them specialize in Biotic technology

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But Moira has achieved a way to harm as well as heal

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duality of a Dr

dense cliff
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anyway

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MY POINT IS

willow torrent
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my stomach sounded like Hammond

jade ether
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the difference between the 2 is simply research method. And entitlement. Patience, etc

dense cliff
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moira and mercy have interation that sum up their morals quite well. mercy says something along the lines of "i would wait a 100 years of medical advancments before i did the harm you've caused" and moira says "funny how you feel entitled to patience"

dense cliff
willow torrent
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I've taken junior cycle science

jade ether
dense cliff
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i love the interaction because it shows the issues with both of them, and kinda shows how mercy's way of ethics can be viewed as flawed

dreamy epoch
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i personally love moira

jade ether
dense cliff
dreamy epoch
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because she toes the line in a way that actually feels like a human

jade ether
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Mercy is very ethical

dense cliff
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i have a dumb question but im not sure what the answer is, who is brigittes fahter?

jade ether
willow torrent
unreal latch
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ah ok nice thanks

willow torrent
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I think

jade ether
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no problem :)

jade ether
unreal latch
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i first though reinhard cause of his massive german weapon

willow torrent
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ye Reinhardt named her

jade ether
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He is her godfather

dense cliff
jade ether
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It was Rein who named her

willow torrent
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torb and rein are a good duo

jade ether
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as far as research flaws, Mercy isnt flawed at all

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she is very ethical with her work

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she exemplifies the standard research method

dense cliff
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in your perspective yes

jade ether
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the worlds research methid

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*method

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Every doctor has an ethical code

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of every kind

dense cliff
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can i like

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speak?

jade ether
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Mercy's research method is not flawed. Its just slow compared to Moira. She pushes science very aggresively

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and it works

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it just leaves a messy path

dense cliff
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yeah nevermind you are right sorry to try and have a discussion

jade ether
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go ahead id like to hear your

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ideas as to why you think Mercy's research method is flawed

dense cliff
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no im done thx for the talk tho

jade ether
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ah ok!

jade ether
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ill keep it in mind

dense cliff
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👍

grand wedge
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ok

grand wedge
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He doesn’t have multiple personalities

kindred nimbus
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By the government

opal nexus
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what makes me curious is how they even managed to get him back down to earth

night gate
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It’s kinda crazy that Reinhardt and some older heroes would be born around this time

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I hope we get some lines of them saying shit like “that’s cap fr” or “those heals are bussin”

tawdry rampart
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Reinhardt making after dark edits

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if u go to the overwatch short recall and go to the point 7:21 and put it on slow speed there is a picture of sojurn

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crazy to think that this short came out in 2016

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what is bastions bird friend's name

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Can anyone play with me all characters and skill welcome just trying to chill and win grind SweatyGrxz#1531 on ow2 add me

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is Baptiste now a good or a bad guy?

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or is he like neutral?

worthy rose
gilded snow
rose furnace
worthy rose
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Oh lol right sorry

gilded snow
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bap is a good guy

rose furnace
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I also recently got a dialogue with him and Reaper in one of my matches as him in which Reaper asked him to come back to Talon and he refused

gilded snow
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common sense

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well

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I don’t really know the storyline

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if u look at all of the support hearos all are good only moira is bad

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i think

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what if overwatch became an anime 💀

worthy rose
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That would be awesome

peak escarp
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Baptiste was recruited into Overwatch by Cassidy

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Baptiste left Talon because he saw what they actually did and wasn't okay with it

vale wigeon
late bronze
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roadhog lore????

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and junkrat

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cuz i know roadhog is kinda insane

vital sail
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pretty sure the basics are they were both robbers/ criminals and teamed up even tho they disliked each other then they bonded and travelled together

tall sleet
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Now they r boyfriends

peak escarp
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no

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Roadhog can barely stand Junkrat

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he's just there for the money

bleak dew
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yea

tall sleet
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Enemies 2 lovers

jade ether
gentle smelt
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why reaper try to kill s76

peak escarp
gentle smelt
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ty

peak escarp
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somewhat misplaced blame

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but Reaper also has anger issues

boreal fractal
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Wait is lucio part of overwatch now🧍

peak escarp
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he will join them in the story missions

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Is bastion on the overwatch?and how come if he was a unit of the main villains?

mellow flicker
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Oops wrong quote

worthy rose
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yo what ur ou

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@mellow flicker

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The lore in my opinion is shit now tf2’s tho is good

mellow flicker
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There's literally a comic where Torb meets Bastion, isn't there?

peak escarp
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!!loreonly

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😭

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alway them DEO

gentle smelt
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😭

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certified you are mad cringy

peak escarp
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you're both cringe now stop

worthy rose
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peak escarp
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maybe he enjoys the chaos

bitter rover
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Learn English brother

gentle smelt
bitter rover
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Yall stop we aint in 2nd grade 💀💀

torn narwhal
gentle smelt
torn narwhal
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Idc 😚🙏

gentle smelt
torn narwhal
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Shiver me timbers.

novel kestrel
formal heart
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Will we ever get a quality overwatch movie

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Packed with lore

gilded yacht
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Someday

gentle smelt
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it’s just cinematics in order , still pretty good

ivory garnet
gentle smelt
gentle smelt
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is widowmaker a widow?

opal nexus
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of her own making yes

prime hazel
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Hence "widowmaker" thats nice

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I bet she makes other people widows too

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ty

ivory garnet
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How does zenyatta float

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@analog canyon Wrong channel, don't do it again

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Sorry, someone redirected me here

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turbid umbra
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Why didnt the prime minister of england want overwatch to help during the null sector attack on kings row?

past copper
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It was because of the Venice Incident caused by Blackwatch

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Because of what Reyes did in killing Antonio and thusly revealing that Blackwatch existed, people believed that Overwatch as a whole were keeping secrets from the public and abusing their power as a global organization

turbid umbra
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Ooh right

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And why does talon wear those pirate outfits in the masquerade comic?

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In venice

past copper
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Those are to keep their identities hidden due to them being wanted criminals and one of their hideouts being present in Venice. Hence the council table

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It’s also because Venice is well known for having a masquerade ball or carnival to celebrate. People often dress up in period styled masks and costumes

ivory garnet
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basically, the fall of overwatch can be based on Reyes as he was a wildcard due to him always wanting to take charge and change the designated plan

drifting viper
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Why is soldier 76 called soldier 76

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Why the number 76

past copper
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Because that’s one of many test subjects from the Omnic Crisis who underwent the Soldier Enhancement Program. Hence why Reaper has a skin called Soldier: 24

solid sonnet
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i wonder how zenyatta reacted when mondatta died

peak escarp
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you get his perspective on it in Stone by Stone

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he's pretty detached from it, similar to Buddhist teachings of being free from attachments

dense nebula
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Zenyatta works on only himself

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What a king

solid sonnet
dense cliff
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zenyatta is very interesting character for sure

solid sonnet
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yeah

iron plume
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!!shitposting @edgy forum

twilit nacelleBOT
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@edgy forum Shitposting will result in a loss of access.

iron plume
clear kestrel
# peak escarp

I wonder where the fanon concept that Zenyatta and Mondatta were "related" came from

peak escarp
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because Zenyatta calls him "my brother"

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meaning in the monastic sense

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not the biological sense

ivory garnet
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after mercy healed genji, he went to zenyatta right?

peak escarp
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not immediately after

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Genji was still in Overwatch for about 5 years

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his last known mission with them was when they took down Doomfist in Singapore

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but after he left Overwatch, he found Zenyatta and found inner peace

alpine pawn
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talking of zen seems symmetra met him

peak escarp
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yes, they met in Stone by Stone

alpine pawn
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i really should take the time to read it with how much i like symm as a char

peak escarp
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it captures her character really well

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it's my favourite short story so far

alpine pawn
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aigh you convinced me ill read it

worthy rose
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what is blackwatch

peak escarp
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Blackwatch was the black ops division of Overwatch

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they did all the illegal stuff, like espionage, assassinations, kidnapping, etc.

worthy rose
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in one of soldier 76 voice lines before a match do you know which character he brings blackwatch up to

peak escarp
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probably Genji

limpid agate
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It would be either Reaper, Cassidy, Genji, or Moira

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Those 4 were part of Blackwatch

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I know he has an interaction with Genji about it

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Forget if he does with the others

peak escarp
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he has one with Cassidy about "what we did in Hanamura"

alpine pawn
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aigh read the story

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i get why is your favorite

peak escarp
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it's a great story

alpine pawn
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yeah it also feels like the person who wrote it really understands people like symm or me