pvp-arena

[shell hazel]

custom tool imports various things from blabla and elsewhere to make one combined view of things

[tropic summit]

enemy team is 2RL with their highest DPS hitting p5 and a single target nuke (helmT)
you can indom team (abusing SG feed in p5) or run a resistant p5 and a DPS oriented anti nuke or sacc an attacker to helmT, lots of options

in your case going for a moran bay anti nuke and DPS oriented team to out trade the placement would be

• bay helmt swha biscuit moran

moran denies SGs in p5 and can go immune, bay will deny helmT nuke at 2RL, then you out trade with swha

an easier method is probably indom although, as they lack proper stalling

• blanc swha rh biscuit jackal

(logic is same, p5 will get invulnerable, you're kicked in faster than 2RL, will indom swha on double buff and wipe them)

[glad meteor]

Shooting range main

[tropic summit]

you're not going to learn with just theory, you need to play actual matches

you've already learned that there's 2 main things to run in most situations

• anti nuke
• indom

then there's situational teams like SG teams or slow cindy or absolute or rosanna etc

that's actually all there is with pvp, rock paper scissor

there's a whole other world when deficit is involved, as then you gotta play CP tetris while making working teams, but you'll never learn there until you start practicing on your own

play the game is the best method to learn, then hitting walls and asking for help can further improve your knowledge

1. scarlet glass cannon has very poor win ratio unless she's comboed with stun gimmics (rapunzel, siren, soda), or ran indommed, but there are better indom choices (vestiTU, SWHA, ein)
2. this team is too stacked to be ran in CA without nuking the effectiveness of others, you taking anisTT, vestiTU swha blanc and biscuit all together? wild
3. this is very dead in the water, just scrap it. Run 2RL noise noah lib or moran noah lib if you've to
4. ok but you need the CS% to be 2.5RL (helm 8%CS)
5. what is this

get inspiration from former champions, you can join @swift mango discord, click on his name and join that discord to see a good chunk of champ winning teams and steal from those

[raven plover]

always has been right

[glad meteor]

Rumani burst gen been lowest of clip rls

[gaunt pulsar]

^ can confirm, just test teams, record all the matches, rewatch them, and try to imagine what gonna happen in the match beforehand, so you could cross-reference your expectations with actual result.

[tropic summit]

it has, just slightly worse

[hidden fog]

it still kinda triggers me tbh

i record my matches, and i still lose to 461 syncs when im 495

[glad meteor]

Just do the math in your head

[glad meteor]

https://tenor.com/view/bookio-gif-13932157847762104386

[hidden fog]

every single one of them uses the same bland defense, bay treasure or noah shit

[tropic summit]

https://klipy.com/gifs/minase-nagisa-minase--k01KS4ZGRDAZK9QC7ASB9EZ43MX

[hidden fog]

and i just cant counter it

[raven plover]

yea I think DP play too much CN server or something

[glad meteor]

Simulate the fight. In the end. You always lose

[tropic summit]

Simulate the fight, In the end. It's all about lewds

[glad meteor]

What if x happens

[hidden fog]

like even railtracer's team suggestions were easily beat by 460 syncs

[glad meteor]

like that cosplay you sent yesterday

[hidden fog]

they didnt even think for 2 days, they just instantly won against anyway

[tropic summit]

what cosplay, i'm pure and innocent i don't do such things

[tropic summit]

pvp mains eat defenses for breakfast

[hidden fog]

i mean they're at like mirror container still

meanwhile im at black snek hard

[gaunt pulsar]

sadly there enough tools this days that even 🐒 can know enough and wing it to win against at least 2 teams doesn't help that not everyone even a 🐒 to begin with and actually know their stuff

[glad meteor]

https://tenor.com/view/nuh-uh-anime-l-black-nah-uh-gif-13534471547359121195

[tropic summit]

https://klipy.com/gifs/anime-excited-34--k01KS4ZNHZNZ5DFKVCFA94ZQ549

[glad meteor]

You ca- can uwu out of this rail chan. This one time

[tropic summit]

https://klipy.com/gifs/wink-anime-8--k01KS4ZQNWD9S9A4YHTSVVCRDXR

[hidden fog]

i just really struggle to counter noah / blanc / bay / similiar dogshit

and if someone has a nayuta my team just instantly dies when she bursts

even though they have overload 5 gear level

i just really want noah at this point

[tame vessel]

hi pvp players

[glad meteor]

Gear level doesn’t matter much at high sync

[hollow lagoon]

https://tenor.com/view/defeat-me-win-lose-a-day-may-come-aragorn-gif-16599762272633184369

[tropic summit]

https://klipy.com/gifs/he-cant-keep-getting-away-with-it--k01KS4ZWCEHGAYVNXZ1MBHM0R2Y

[tame vessel]

who can i replace with sbs in this team

[hollow lagoon]

lol....

[tropic summit]

privT, ein and cindy still open?

[tame vessel]

yes

[hollow lagoon]

techanically

[tropic summit]

moran noise privT SWHA noah

[hollow lagoon]

should be noise at p2 and siren at p3

[tame vessel]

idk he gave me the team

[tropic summit]

assuming you wanna retain siren threat

moran siren swha noah trina

[hollow lagoon]

whu?

just make noah c7 and put at p2, sh prob lives

[tame vessel]

[tropic summit]

even better solution, just sync gap them and you no longer even need to play pvp

https://klipy.com/gifs/thinking-think-of-it--k01KS502B7D9TRP4QTSDNZTWASQ

[hollow lagoon]

swha is the best unit when sufficientally sync gapped

[tame vessel]

no 1 guy is almost double my cp

[hollow lagoon]

this guy might be in my server?

[glad meteor]

[tame vessel]

actually i dont know why u gave sbs in this team tho

[hollow lagoon]

she's hot

[tame vessel]

i live priv more

[tropic summit]

looks like CP reasons, your utilities were bad CP it seems

[tame vessel]

but my privt have higher cp

[tropic summit]

burst gen

[tame vessel]

ye u said that

[tropic summit]

you're already slotting moran and siren which are both trash burst gen

slotting privT aswell and you're no longer even 2.5RL

fix your utilities like i told you a month ago and you could slot better units

[tame vessel]

maybe after finish campaign i could fix more

[tropic summit]

[tropic summit]

get your teams upgraded regardless soon if you built anisTT, that's a huge utility that can help you fix a new team

[tame vessel]

i already replaced drake with anis

[onyx scaffold]

new to me.
i always thought centi was the worst

[mystic rain]

noah eziest counter is blanc the hard part is if its noah bisc cuz then u need vesti or snow as ur main dps to cleave non defenders after noah invul

for spa at least, to me, blanc teams r the most common skip and i just use my blanc vs their hardest team and noah the other

defense is the tricky part cuz theres no perfect defense aside from cp gap

[hollow nebula]

Thank you for the detailed explaination!

[vagrant ravine]

Anyone had the team from the FAH12ENH winning the champion Arena?

[mystic rain]

nobody tell him...

[hollow lagoon]

I feel a lack of creativity

[glad meteor]

Ask @swift mango

[raven plover]

did someone say fahrenheit

[mystic rain]

tsk

[raven plover]

that t1 tho

100% bugged, fahren lib had 100% HP

[mystic rain]

emma sac works?

wait oh

[raven plover]

idk how lib still 100% HP either

[glad meteor]

No replay?

[mystic rain]

is that t1 3rl

noah team

[raven plover]

no replay yea cus its versio update

[glad meteor]

I thought only 1 day gets fooked

[mystic rain]

literally 0 dmg lib wtf

did vesti aoe not work

[glad meteor]

rigged ca confirmed?

[raven plover]

[umbral crown]

Libe p3 is safe now, trust

[mystic rain]

wind units in general p3 tech

🤫

[oak smelt]

Would be cool to see a replay with that bug lol

[mystic rain]

wait thats actually so weird cuz vesti did 26m dmg but the dmg taken on noah team doesnt even come close to 26m

and even if vesti shots landed on noah shield it should register 0 dmg so vesti dmg shouldnt be that high

wtf happened in that match bro

[raven plover]

[undone blaze]

C3 in my bracket has the spending event title 💀

Hopefully its not enough to completely power creep me

[brittle oasis]

Oh ty, so its private tool?

[swift mango]

scarlet indom actually beat most indom that's not Rapi indom.
You forgot Scarlet Rosa which is the current meta in CA.
And Noise scarlet jackal which whale run.

[cunning crown]

Had my best results in CA with scar/rosie

[shell hazel]

yup

[mystic rain]

does scar indom beat vesti/snow/ein

cuz those r the only realistic indom choices for champs

tho ig atp its just slower indom wins or something if its mirror matchup

[undone blaze]

Why is rosanna good? Isn't pvp mainly RL, so she'll take splash regardless and it will get rid of her ninja ability?

[mystic rain]

splash only usually hits p1-p2

so p3-p5 is safe

i say usually cuz vest, snow exists

who can hit up to p3 or hit all 5

and rosa b1 nuke is quite unique

[tropic summit]

you can prevent her losing cloak by linking her with jackal
SWHA can pop rosanna cloak in any position, so she kinda got nerfed when SWHA got released

as for her actual importance, it's one of the few units with lethal on 2 attackers on B1 cast, which comes before anti nuke can come in effect
moran and noise on same speed can although mitigate her

[mystic rain]

no other b1 unit who can kill at b1 timing

but thats also rosa's weakness, the fact that shes b1 means theres not a lot of units who can buff her dmg

all of rosa dmg relies entirely on her kit

[hidden fog]

i can win against 1 team, and then i have a such a huge headache to counter the 2nd team

its either not enough burst generation, and if its not that they just die, and if its not that, one of the enemy units just survives with like 10% hp remaining

[proven lintel]

ive made it

[hidden fog]

i made it numerous times, but i never cared about it

[proven lintel]

its more nikke content so idm

[hidden fog]

i couldn't even be allowed to properly participate because of course, i am the only one that doesnt have noah at this point in the game

and having noah on wishlist for 1.5 years

[cedar sorrel]

Yeah shit sucks

[hollow lagoon]

[hidden fog]

you can even consider it as a handicap

Literally EVERYONE in my bracket has her

except me of course

[mystic rain]

ur still noahless 😭

[hidden fog]

and rapunzeless

[mystic rain]

not as bad as me being cindyless actually

ah rapu is whatever

[hidden fog]

i mean i got cindy mlb outside her banner

[mystic rain]

niche unit atp

[hidden fog]

i didnt even play at the moment when her banner was active

[hollow lagoon]

[mystic rain]

thats where all ur noah chances went to

[hidden fog]

btw is mari like usable nowadays

i always wanted to invest into her

[tropic summit]

@charred quail give this read, will be updating it over the week

https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/1gnpYPl5Y9WvuovQtOOsClrgHW4GnXdu3qrEPigjZuqM/edit?usp=sharing

[tropic summit]

don't bother, her B2 is outclasses by too many

[mystic rain]

pvp channel bro

[tropic summit]

you wanna invest in a similar B2, get nayuta and xbrid built

[hidden fog]

i saw her being mentioned here couple of times

[mystic rain]

but also nah even in raid actually shes kinda powercrept iirc

[tropic summit]

she's a buffer + mid nuke type, nayuta is buffer + hard nuke type or xbrid better buffer + SG pressure + mid nuke type

use those 2 if you wanna build teams with the same logic as mari B2, as they do better

[mystic rain]

what abt arcana alt

oh i also hesrd mint is kinda good general b2 buffer as well

[abstract badge]

I will need some help coming up with teams for CA

[hidden fog]

generally, i had in mind of using her like as b2 on 5th team on solo raid tbh

[abstract badge]

https://www.blablalink.com/shiftyspad?uid=MjkwODAtOTIzMjE3NzE0MzQwNDg4ODYwMg%3D%3D

[hidden fog]

anyway im just gonna do sth else

[tight finch]

Didnt top ele use mari

Just make sure she 100 ele

[hidden fog]

idk for me, she's doing more damage than grave

i want arcana alt though

[tight finch]

Grave need peirce

[hidden fog]

i was testing it with various units

i could just always do a slight waifu investement or sth ez clap

[hollow lagoon]

i do love that core damage bonuse in solo raid hall

[proven lintel]

these are the teams for my champ arena

any suggestions

[versed mesa]

https://tenor.com/view/very-nice-impressive-gif-13646207769991612852

Huh, the C4 hasn't done a second hit, hasn't even logged in since last night after I took it back. He is probably planning to snipe instead with the second.

[covert lintel]

190lv below me

[versed mesa]

https://tenor.com/view/لييوو-gif-16809754927858649993

[wheat juniper]

Best 3 teams for arena?

Attack or Defense

[tropic summit]

attack is based on what you facing
defense pick 3 out of these:
#pvp-arena message

prefer vestiTU, swha, anisTT and moran teams

[wheat juniper]

I don't understand half of that's written there but sure, I'll pick a vesti team, a sw one and an Anis

[tropic summit]

post your box or blabla link set to public and we can make you the teams

[wheat juniper]

I have this

No Cindy and Siren yet

[mystic rain]

bro surely u at least know the names 😭

[tropic summit]

ok start throwing jackal and biscuit in synchro

these are the units you'll want to prioritize once you're comfortable with campaign

[wheat juniper]

I'm talking about the 2RL

Also, I'm almost at Moran treasure

[wheat juniper]

But what teams should I use in defense?

[remote thunder]

How do I counter this Biscuit Cindy comp
Their Anis just deals so much dmg
https://www.blablalink.com/shiftyspad/home?uid=MjkwODAtMTkyNTk0MDEyNDczNDkwODkzOQ%3D%3D&openid=MjkwODAtMTkyNTk0MDEyNDczNDkwODkzOQ%3D%3

[tropic summit]

SP arena

• nayuta crown helmT RH liberalio
• anisTT blanc neonOS biscuit drakeT
• liter swha dkw noah SBS

[tropic summit]

is this rookie?

[mystic rain]

if ur just copying teams u dont need to worry abt the numbers

[remote thunder]

Nope
SP

[tropic summit]

then show all 3 teams

[remote thunder]

I don't think I'll go for T3

[remote thunder]

@tropic summit Can you access this blablalink URL?

[tropic summit]

that T2 wins?

[remote thunder]

Yes

[wheat juniper]

Okay thank you

But why NeonOS? Isn't she called NeonVE?

[tropic summit]

call her however you please

[remote thunder]

Only problem is just the biscuit Cindy comp

[wheat juniper]

Where does the OS come from tho

[remote thunder]

Over Spec

[remote thunder]

Same goes for RapiOS, MiharaOS, and AnisOS

[tropic summit]

privaty is treasured?

you're blanc and noah-less so no wonder you struggling on that matchup

[remote thunder]

Nope

One Copy away from it

[remote thunder]

Though she only is at SR 5

[tropic summit]

if you slot the 5 top units you've, what's your CP

[remote thunder]

Wait a sec

[remote thunder]

Rapi certainly shouldn't be in there

[tropic summit]

that's not your highest CP

slot

rrh swha siren sbs anisTT

[remote thunder]

Ok

[remote thunder]

Uhhh how about for B2?

[tropic summit]

ok you can't gap

[remote thunder]

That IS my highest cp

Fine I'll try other diamond 1 players

[tropic summit]

also that is again not what i asked you

rrh swha siren sbs anisTT

why is liberalio in there

[remote thunder]

Oh damn

[remote thunder]

Yep but still no b2

[tropic summit]

doesn't matter b2 or b3 or b1, we need CP to gap

that's still not enough anyway

fight someone else imo, you lack units to deal with T1 and the other team gaps you

[remote thunder]

Ok

[remote thunder]

This looks pretty abusable with Siren tech

[mystic rain]

cant imagine playing pvp with no noah or blanc

thats like playing 40% deficit campaign with no crown or mast

[tropic summit]

T1 is weak to anything, T3 is weak to anything, T2 you can skip it

you need to CP pad T3

[neat cipher]

How do you get into champeon arena? I am sure I was in second place and I didn't get in

[tropic summit]

synchro 200+ final season rank ch4+

[remote thunder]

Is it because T2 has Anis?

[neat cipher]

I was rank 2

[mystic rain]

its because t2 is 2rl and has noah on top

the other teams arent even 4RL

eyeballing it

[mystic rain]

its based on ur overall rank based on points, not the actual rank u ended the season with

[tropic summit]

assemble these you're on the left

moran mmast helmt sbs neonOS
nayuta vestiTU drakeT swha RRH

show CP then we can confirm if you're not on penalty

[neat cipher]

That's weird, because I'm sure there were a couple of times I finished fourth in points and still didn't qualify.

[mystic rain]

check ur inbox

mustang spa payout should tell u what rank u ended up with

[tropic summit]

ending rank 2 at the end is not the same as having accumulated points to score rank 2 at the end of the season

you need to hold your rank to earn more points per hour

[raven plover]

this

mustang knows the truth

[remote thunder]

Ok thanks

[mystic rain]

also is this new champs season out of beta or not yet

[remote thunder]

Why is Drake in there though?

[tropic summit]

single B1 in p1 and is a wind code, drake melts wind codes

your problem is that you're still gapped

you need 284k+CP

move drakeT in p2 and vestiTU in p3, team becomes

nayuta drakeT vestiTU swha RRH

it will still do fine because most of their dmg is limited to p1 anyway

[remote thunder]

Oh yea

[tropic summit]

the other team can stay as is, run them

[remote thunder]

Ok

[swift mango]

so long as you are synch 201+ and mustang said you are rank 4 above in mail.

[onyx scaffold]

CN has CA today.. i need to cook 5 teams

[tropic summit]

get teams here

[remote thunder]

Ok P1 ele code counter method obtained
Thx

[onyx scaffold]

i might be there already. which server is it

[swift mango]

Anis+Blanc+Biscuit flex flex
flex
flex
flex
flex

[swift mango]

section

[mystic rain]

does CN have anis

[swift mango]

you might have blocked ld or not

[remote thunder]

Can explain why T1 won btw? I think Moran was some sorta counter?

[onyx scaffold]

i think about
sg
scarlet jackal
cindy helm

[tropic summit]

bro you really need to learn the basics of pvp

use the burst gen calculator, it's a 5RL+ slow ass team

[onyx scaffold]

but not sure how to run summer anis without moran

[tropic summit]

they don't even burst at all

start here: @remote thunder

https://nikke.gg/arena-mechanics/

[swift mango]

you don't even run summer anis

[onyx scaffold]

i dont think they have cn teams

[swift mango]

yeah don't. CN is different

[tropic summit]

@remote thunder

[remote thunder]

Oh so it wasn't mechanic counter but Speed counter
I know about the basics but

[tropic summit]

ABC of pvp is burst gen

[remote thunder]

Yes

[swift mango]

we don't even know cn pool so hardto help

[onyx scaffold]

do u want to help? i can screenshot them

[mystic rain]

does cn even have quiry

[onyx scaffold]

they do. but again, no moran

[mystic rain]

no moran????

[onyx scaffold]

moran in a month i think

[mystic rain]

oh goddamn

[onyx scaffold]

there are nero

[swift mango]

you could indom S.anis, or combo with privaty burst or noise noah/bay. That's about it outside of moran biscuit team.

[mystic rain]

helm treasure available already or nah?

[quick lake]

CN pvp prob fun. OG pvp

[onyx scaffold]

yes

b1

[swift mango]

Sure do

[mystic rain]

haha maybe u can run og lud instead of moran XDDDD

[onyx scaffold]

b2

b3
plus kilo mpriv and quiry

[mystic rain]

xanne with sg rosa

[quick lake]

Standard Scar Blanc Jackal
3rl Cindy nuke

[mystic rain]

and probably just run sanis or sbs indom

[swift mango]

what's those cn skill, anyone use them in area?

[mystic rain]

or maybe xdiesel?

oh u guys have a2

[onyx scaffold]

same as global
but idk about cindy

she is released recently

[swift mango]

I mean those cn units we don't have

[onyx scaffold]

ignore them

the fox is like m.mast clone for pve

[mystic rain]

can probably run rapu xsoline 2rl

[onyx scaffold]

no rumani trina
idont think u can afford many 2rl

[mystic rain]

oh god

[onyx scaffold]

thinking about making
1 shotgun team + 3 strong team with 5th fodder

[quick lake]

Its 3RL meta probably

[mystic rain]

is it even worth to run scar no trina 2rl

[quick lake]

Scar Blanc RH
3rl Noise Noah Cindy

[onyx scaffold]

helm solo carry or cindy helm?

[swift mango]

CN problem is actually the lack of good b2. More severe than Global.

[quick lake]

Rapu xsoline should work great actually

[mystic rain]

oh x4 sg rosa

viper :3

and maybe run xanne somewhere else

[raven plover]

sg team + rosa should be really strong there

[quick lake]

I would do Cindy Helm, and try 2RL

[remote thunder]

https://www.blablalink.com/shiftyspad/home?uid=MjkwODAtMTkyNTk0MDEyNDczNDkwODkzOQ%3D%3D&openid=MjkwODAtMTkyNTk0MDEyNDczNDkwODkzOQ%3D%3
Whose doll should I grind next? Lib Nayu Neon or Priv?
@quick lake

[mystic rain]

run slow cindy even with no mihara

[onyx scaffold]

scarlet centi anis liter jackal?

[mystic rain]

oh right no rumani

[hidden mortar]

@minor egret he did the thing again, but I feel like maybe we can wait a bit before hitting him

[quick lake]

Scarlet Blanc RH Centi Jackal, 3RL is fine

[onyx scaffold]

2 buffers sound overkill

can leave rh solo carry

[quick lake]

Scar Blanc RH is less buffs than Trina

[swift mango]

Do you know if Delta bugged in CN like early Global?

[mystic rain]

[swift mango]

the problem is to form 5 teams.

[onyx scaffold]

not sure but i assume it is fixed

[quick lake]

definitely

5 teams is hardd

[mystic rain]

what does a2 do again

isnt her burst gen okish

dk abt her dmg mechanics

can even run Pascal

[onyx scaffold]

https://nikke.top/ has cn pool

[onyx scaffold]

lib

[unique mountain]

This is the 2nd time you're asking dee this

[swift mango]

do you have quantum level 7? what's its level?

[minor egret]

There's no real rush for me to hit him back right now so it's enteriely up to you. I'll hit him whenever you want to hit on him

[swift mango]

maybe there would be the third

[raven plover]

cn has no makima?

[onyx scaffold]

i lose wtf

[keen vapor]

What you guys think on my cooking

[mystic rain]

can i joy emoji or nah

[keen vapor]

No wonder

[swift mango]

how many ammo your scarlet have?

[onyx scaffold]

34

[mystic rain]

wait no siren?

[swift mango]

hmm idk if her indom would be better than sbs

[onyx scaffold]

crit in cn very good btw

[swift mango]

wdym

[onyx scaffold]

different dmg formular
crit dmg is as good as atk if crit

[mystic rain]

MAST

[onyx scaffold]

crit > atk for cindy for example

[swift mango]

I mean if you crit in Arena it's always better than ATK.

[mystic rain]

run scar mast jackal 2-2.5rl or some shit

[onyx scaffold]

how about a stall team?

[mystic rain]

is noise kit different from global

or same

[swift mango]

nero isn't working without moran.
slow cindy is kind hard without rumani, moran or midhara

[crystal flicker]

Stall is heavy investment

[onyx scaffold]

same.just assume all kits the same

[mystic rain]

nero lud helm quiry rapu

[onyx scaffold]

lud kit is different tho but she is slow

[mystic rain]

wtf man

moran is slow as well anyway but og lud has fat solo dr in her kit

but if her kit is diff in cn then idk

[tropic summit]

@onyx scaffold can't you just copy pasta known working CN only archetypes? i'm 100% sure there's a website or some knowhow of CN only archetypes

[onyx scaffold]

Ludmilla

S1: 1.12s burst CD down on last bullet (new)

Burst: Max HP 18.37% for 5s all allies, when HP is above 50% (new)

[tropic summit]

it's better than assuming the kits are working the same

[mystic rain]

nero p1 + 3 healers should be fine without moran since cn doesnt have a lot of aoe anyway or even dps

[onyx scaffold]

it is nikke.top but nothing changes much beside...https://www.reddit.com/r/NikkeMobile/comments/1ksyior/cn_nikke_changes/

[mystic rain]

like aside from scar who else is gonna kill nero 5 stacks

[onyx scaffold]

all they are mostly pve

[mystic rain]

oh max hp? on burst?

p sure thats better than her global version

[tropic summit]

CN being CN having their own shiet changing kits

[hot shuttle]

anyone know a counter to these teams?
star anis/noah/swha/cinderella/biscuit

noah/t-moran/biscuit/t-helm/swha

@tropic summit @swift mango @tidal lichen @gaunt pulsar @placid bloom

[mystic rain]

is s2 the same

lud s2 is where dmg red comes in

[tropic summit]

if sp arena give all 3 teams unless they're rookie

[tidal lichen]

vesti blanc
snow blanc vesti

[hot shuttle]

they’re both rookie teams

[tropic summit]

then kricoun answer is correct

[quick lake]

Jackal VestiTU Anis Blanc Ada

[mystic rain]

yea wtf cn lud is actually decent

[tidal lichen]

57% dr wtf

[onyx scaffold]

is there anything to translate a picture?

[quick lake]

is this not the sane as EN

[mystic rain]

this is en

cn lud has max hp on burst

[quick lake]

But Lud slow af

[tidal lichen]

i didnt know ludmilla actually had that much dr on herself

[mystic rain]

thats the fat part

[mystic rain]

yea so is moran bro

but its stall team

[hot shuttle]

what do I fill in for the other spots?

[quick lake]

All MG/AR dies very badly to scar

[tidal lichen]

HELLO!!!!

[unique wagon]

Hello Coca cola hugger

[quick lake]

By virtue of teams being slower in general

[mystic rain]

yea but theres only one scar

[onyx scaffold]

will likely lose to SG too

[unique wagon]

They make them from bad to less bad

[mystic rain]

no vesti no snow no anis

[quick lake]

I rmb OG pvp was quite flat. The speed vs Nuke consideration was very real

[tidal lichen]

jackal vesti flex blanc helm (flex can be ada or lapt or anything similar)
jackal snow flex blanc vesti

[mystic rain]

sg def probably but atk sg?

[quick lake]

Lud was nostly deadge

[mystic rain]

unless theu have viper ig

[unique wagon]

OG PvP had residual targeting and target skipping

[quick lake]

bug galore indeed

[tropic summit]

nearly everything was losing to scarlet

and 3RL was the common speed target

[unique wagon]

RL P1? Enjoy extra burst gen

[tropic summit]

hell even 4RL was acceptable

[unique wagon]

[quick lake]

yeahhh

[unique wagon]

Prydwen pvp is so outdated

Yet the person in charge of writing it never updated it

[quick lake]

Oh, I did Moran Bay Cindy clipSG + flex

Did really well back then

[onyx scaffold]

i will stream my cn CA cook now

[tidal lichen]

it's kinda ok tbh

[quick lake]

First season?

[unique wagon]

It still has residual and whiffing and skipping I think

[onyx scaffold]

first

[unique wagon]

And its missing archetypes

[tropic summit]

we get to see DP in 4k

[unique wagon]

What if Rail became Prydwen staff and fixed those

[onyx scaffold]

were running this for spa

[unique wagon]

[tropic summit]

i'm 4 parallel universes ahead of you

https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/1gnpYPl5Y9WvuovQtOOsClrgHW4GnXdu3qrEPigjZuqM/edit?gid=1685810370#gid=1685810370

[tidal lichen]

oh i thought you were talking about the tl, not the guide

[unique wagon]

Good now copy paste to Prydwen for better visibility

[tropic summit]

it's not even 10% ready anyway, i'll take my time on this

keripo taking years making his overview video and ppl keep asking me the same questions i may aswell start linking them to this

[unique wagon]

Keripo's vid will be out when game EoS

[onyx scaffold]

thought?

[hot shuttle]

just want to double check

star anis/noah/swha/cinderella/biscuit

gets countered by jackal/vesti/ada or t-laplace/blanc/t-helm (assuming the position of each of them are correct)

noah/t-moran/biscuit/t-helm/swha

gets countered by jackal/swha/ada or t-laplace/blanc/vesti (assuming the position of each of them are correct)

[tidal lichen]

the idea is to waste bisc invulns before noah burst and outstall with blanc

you can also vesti ada the second one but vesti sometimes struggles to kill moran, especially at high sync

[mystic rain]

vesti ada cant kill moran at high sync?

what sync r u at that moran def is fat

[tidal lichen]

my vesti usually struggles with morans

[hot shuttle]

i’ll take that as a yes i’ll give it a try

[tidal lichen]

when helm is involved

[mystic rain]

actually def shouldnt even matter cuz true dmg

[tidal lichen]

at around 500sync

[mystic rain]

vest no ada struggles vs moran

vesti ada eats moran noah bisc

helm lifesteal doesnt matter cuz u pop them before they even heal back

[warm monolith]

@tropic summit help pls

[tidal lichen]

idk im just speaking from my experience, my vesti lost so many fights against morans, with ada

shes core1

[quick lake]

@onyx scaffold food for thought

Rosa on SG team oops

[tropic summit]

skip T1
you know how to beat T2
you know how to beat T3

[onyx scaffold]

no moran

[warm monolith]

No i dont

[tropic summit]

@warm monolith

T2 anisTT nayuta biscuit neonOS flex (2RL)
T3 indom vestiTU with popping biscuit stacks on p1 and p2

[neat cipher]

How do I use that page? What does each number mean?

[mystic rain]

mine has no issue vs moran bisc

i did struggle when i didnt knoe abt ada tho

[tropic summit]

https://nikke-deck.com/en/deck

learn about pvp basics and burst gen here https://nikke.gg/arena-mechanics/

[quick lake]

https://nikke-deck.com/en/deck/
The numbers just mean how "fast" each team bursts

[mystic rain]

like ada legit solved my dps issues on vesti indom

[tidal lichen]

most of the time i also nuke but it's never guarranteed

so i just send snow nowadays

[quick lake]

Add in Anis and boom, giga vesti

[mystic rain]

but re-enter....

[tidal lichen]

HOLD, it looks tripleable

[neat cipher]

So, is the point to try to reach high or low numbers?

[warm monolith]

T2 flex thelm and t3 vestitu/blanc/rh/centi/jackal?

[tropic summit]

@warm monolith listen to this man, he got le triple

[quick lake]

high is good. Should get 2RL ideally

[mystic rain]

oh i actually tried anis blanc vesti bisc ada and it was kinda slow

[quick lake]

Refer to pins and pvp guide for more info

[hot shuttle]

neither worked

[mystic rain]

sounds op on paper but vesti dies too fast

[warm monolith]

If its doable you cook all teams for me?

[tropic summit]

i already did

if u want the triple wait for kricoun

[warm monolith]

Does t2 needs to be 2RL?

If so only option is thelm?

Isnt it

[onyx scaffold]

no bay either

[warm monolith]

[tidal lichen]

rumani centi lib helm siren
anis nayuta bisc flex flex
jack snow lapt blanc ada

pray siren lives long enough

[tropic summit]

dayum that's ballsy, sassuga

[tidal lichen]

i guess you could swap draket with rumani and put siren p5

[warm monolith]

@tidal lichen New master?

[tidal lichen]

no i suck.

[tropic summit]

what do you mean new

[tidal lichen]

trust rail more

[tropic summit]

kricoun always been good

[warm monolith]

Im not in here often am i

[tidal lichen]

cuz your links are wrong

[tropic summit]

more than many others

[warm monolith]

[tropic summit]

go with kricoun suggestion it looks interesting

tripleroni chance

[warm monolith]

As flex would vestitu and xmaiden work?

[tidal lichen]

yes

[warm monolith]

Oh, and t3 is in deficit

[mystic rain]

wait can u oneshot neon

[tidal lichen]

@hot shuttle first team needs vesti indom and second needs snow indom

[mystic rain]

like neon p4 and no aoe to proc neon s1

[hot shuttle]

what do you mean by that?

[mystic rain]

and u hit with lib nuke or something

[tidal lichen]

you can if you dont touch her

[mystic rain]

ohohohoho

[tidal lichen]

it's like bisc

[tidal lichen]

jackal links

on first team vesti should be in top2 in terms of atk and lowest in hp
same thing for snow on second

[hot shuttle]

positions?

[tidal lichen]

you can sub lapt with maiden or smth

[tidal lichen]

jackal links 2 units with the highest attack

and blanc gives indom to lowest hp

[warm monolith]

@tidal lichen and @tropic summit thank you for the teams

[tidal lichen]

did you win

[warm monolith]

Theres just that one dude(i just go against it) is my enemy, if i could make him not be able to beat me ill have a fine rest on pvp

[unique wagon]

Cook for me.

[warm monolith]

Yeah, just the t3 fumbled cuz of deficit

[tidal lichen]

unfortunate

[tidal lichen]

what do you need cooked

[unique wagon]

An SpPvP defense team.

Without TVesti.

[tidal lichen]

i hate defense.

[warm monolith]

Eh, a win is a win, thats what important

[unique wagon]

But I don't hate you.

[tidal lichen]

slow version of anis blanc bisc is actually quite cheap to beat i think

no noah no blanc

[warm monolith]

@tropic summit kinda declared me traitor for building libe(hes kinda right) but is she ok rn?

[mystic rain]

for pvp no

[hot shuttle]

link didn’t work maybe try ada next?

[warm monolith]

For solo raid*

[mystic rain]

subpar for raids as well imo

[warm monolith]

Which should i reroll?

[mystic rain]

ur cs not even anywhere near next 7th shot

perfect lib imo is 1 ammo x4 cs x4 atk and 3 ele

[tidal lichen]

you could try jackal vesti ada blanc helm on both

[mystic rain]

like personally id rather have that extra cs than an extra ele line

[tidal lichen]

vesti should be linked

[warm monolith]

Gimme reroll advice

Pls

[tidal lichen]

and should also have the lowest hp

[mystic rain]

im no reroll expert bro just get lucky xddd

[warm monolith]

What do i even reroll in this???

[mystic rain]

roll out unnecessary lines

focus only on ele atk cs

1 ammo minimum

or u can drop the ammo actually

since ur running with maids anyway for raids

[warm monolith]

I swear ill waste so much rock on this...

[tidal lichen]

id just keep her like that tbh

[mystic rain]

but then u kinda gimp solo wind team with nayu sbs siren lib velvet

[tidal lichen]

unless youre going for top50

[mystic rain]

cuz thats where that 1 ammo comes in clutch

[hot shuttle]

rip

[warm monolith]

I couldnt even get in the top 3%

[warm monolith]

I dont have velvet built

[tidal lichen]

just get 4ele on important units instead of hyper focusing on one

[unique wagon]

Make a team with Nayu Biscu now but without Anis

[tidal lichen]

wait im launching my game to check my own def.

[unique wagon]

Hi launching my game

[mystic rain]

well u have to choose either go pvp or raid

going perfect rolls lib WILL take a shitton of rocks

up to u how u wanna go abt that

keep her as is or roll

[warm monolith]

Ig ill need to go for raid, though pvp offers more rocks

[mystic rain]

godspeed

[warm monolith]

Idk man

[unique wagon]

I need more clip RLs

[tropic summit]

hello launching my game, nice to meet you

[mystic rain]

ehh for pvp its really just atk cs u need on lib

[tidal lichen]

wow my def sucks

[tropic summit]

[tidal lichen]

i dont even know how ppl cant break it

[tropic summit]

https://klipy.com/gifs/todd-howard-it-just-works-1--k01KS5K26239ZVT58EJCKEY9X8Y

[warm monolith]

[tidal lichen]

lapt 19% cs

[tropic summit]

just get x4 ele x4 atk black lines on all units

[warm monolith]

For the price of?

[tropic summit]

what a booly

[mystic rain]

indom, skip, noah bisc

[tidal lichen]

also noise taunts, not noah

[mystic rain]

ez

[versed mesa]

https://tenor.com/view/guldan-everything-hoodie-monster-orc-gif-17516569

[tropic summit]

noah bisc can lose against T3 if they're not careful, indom is mitigated on T1 if they're running shitt* invest
i can see why 🐒 are losing to it

[tidal lichen]

my moran also has like 40% atk

she kinda lives most indoms unless ada is involved

[warm monolith]

Isnt 40% atk decent or rather good?

[tropic summit]

they'd need to learn running double buff indoms, won't need ada if biscuitless moran

they prolly running single buff or weird shiet against it

[mystic rain]

noah bisc any aoe dps or nuke will kill sanis bisc and star anis will be 1 bisc invul and die after 5 sec

its really simple to beat anis nayu bisc actually

[tidal lichen]

not super high but definitely not low

[mystic rain]

i would know i ran that team on my rookie tests

[tropic summit]

nah noah bisc can die to anisTT + nayuta + biscuit, they need to hit FB then anisTT dmg can wipe and she's invulnerable for enough time to lethal

[mystic rain]

most common way to lose is to just run bisc

[warm monolith]

You cant catch me having atk% any more than 25%😎

[tropic summit]

it's the typical mistake people make against that team

[tidal lichen]

yea i usually dont either, i just needed her to be strong for snake

[versed mesa]

@tropic summit Opinions? C4 hasn't even logged in since last night, still has his one ticket. Unless he uses it a few hours before reset, what do you think? Should I switch my teams to hopefully prevent the snipe he might be going for, or just wait? And if he does snipe, then swap teams instead and take it back after?

[mystic rain]

anis and noah will be on same 5 sec timer its just a matter of sniping p3-p5 and most importantly killing bisc before she can apply second invul on anis

[tropic summit]

you didn't use both attempts yet ye?

[mystic rain]

noah shield will block most dmg from anis and sanis

[versed mesa]

Nope

[hot shuttle]

okay this is odd. the two video i sent. vesti has the lowest hp for the first one and snow white has the lowest hp for the second one.

[tropic summit]

that's how kricoun is messing his opponents, they getting played exactly like that

[mystic rain]

enemy anis cannot snipe ur team cuz of noah

[tropic summit]

easy bait

[tropic summit]

noah shield doesn't last long enough

[hollow lagoon]

more like i hit people in top 5

kekw

and basically 10-20 minutes into reset

i try to dodge kricoun tho

[mystic rain]

neither does anis invul

[tropic summit]

booly n2 spotted

[tidal lichen]

vesti dies on first team before blanc
snow doesnt have less than vesti on second

[tropic summit]

then change to that def 5 min near reset i guess

although he could've pre-cached your current and bypass it

[hollow lagoon]

i wish i last longer than noah shield when helm is present (in bed)

[tropic summit]

they need p2 pressure to pop it very early, the average 🐒 doesn't account for that and runs noah biscuit without enough p2 dmg

hence why his def works in the first place

[mystic rain]

its even worse cuz its sanis burst so realistically, anis def team only has 5 sec to live from start to finish

[tropic summit]

s.anis isn't the core part of that team

she adds buffs on top of buffs for anisTT dmg to skyrocket

[mystic rain]

u have no other way to keep anis alive unless ur really dumb and dont snipe p3-p5

[tidal lichen]

most ppl dont even know snipers hit p5

[mystic rain]

and we have more than enough dps in the game to do that

[tropic summit]

plot twist: that's what i'm telling you, it's 🐒 proof

[versed mesa]

He already has my current defense solved anyway, even with the CP jump he could beat it one try, so it is in need of changing anyway. Just thinking that I should change as late as possible

[tropic summit]

you understimate the amount of ppl that has no clue on how to time invulnerability on opponent side

the silly things get them

[versed mesa]

https://tenor.com/view/obi-wan-kenobi-of-course-i-know-him-hes-me-gif-12774102

[mystic rain]

well idk how monkeys think so im just thinking of how to beat it with my own brain

[tropic summit]

it's like how some ppl still struggle against blanc midhara cindy biscuit anisTT

they don't work around invulnerability

[tropic summit]

ye cuz you're good

defenses are made to make people trip, if you can't make them trip, then you don't really need to come up with defenses anymore

[unique wagon]

tvesti :(

[mystic rain]

should delete pvp channel so 🐒 wont have help to beat actually good defense

[tropic summit]

meh should delete pvp mode altogether and come up with something that isn't rock paper scissor

[mystic rain]

NOOOO

i like pvp man cmon

i dont wanna be a raider 😭

[tropic summit]

don't you like competing against day 1 players on max cores

[mystic rain]

HELL NAH

[tropic summit]

and hackers

[mystic rain]

no chance for me to even get top 10 in solo raid

at least in champs i have a chance vs whales

[tropic summit]

true

the only mode where we can bully them in part

[mystic rain]

mhm

[versed mesa]

I'm day 1 and I struggle to get even 3% on some SR

[unique wagon]

ure betting ur SAnis team wont get nuked?

cus if Biscu gets nuked u cant win indom no?

[tropic summit]

indom is mitigated by nayuta assuming they running CS%, as nayuta lands before blanc is applied, bye bye jackal link
indom via biscuit and non jackal link is a different story, that one will win

assuming the indom unit doesn't get killed before blanc b2 is applied anyhow

[unique wagon]

Nayu is faster than Blanc?

[tropic summit]

assuming same speed and CS%, it applies before blanc applies indom

frame difference

[tidal lichen]

sanis is there to act as anti rosanna

[versed mesa]

I wish Eve had been useable on PvP

https://tenor.com/view/nikke-goddes-of-victory-nikke-stellar-blade-eve-gif-10542806863475849254

[tropic summit]

you just wanted to see her ass

[tidal lichen]

nayuta to nuke link

and anistar to semi nuke before b2

easy to counter but requires important units

[mystic rain]

is sanis required

[swift mango]

I'm thinking of something like this.

@onyx scaffold

[mystic rain]

p sure u can swao her for someone else

[tidal lichen]

supporter

doesnt get targeted by ros

[mystic rain]

wont rosa dispel ur nayu then

if shes high atk rolls

[tidal lichen]

she is but i dont think she'll die to non vesti comps

before sending nuke

and ppl dont send ros with vesti

[unique wagon]

i need lapputr

[tidal lichen]

i think your best bet is
anis blanc bisc
scarlet soda
moran noah helm snow trina

[mystic rain]

id say vesti abso rosa but theres bisc

[tidal lichen]

just dont put soda p1 or p2 so it becomes rng

[unique wagon]

bro suggests Soda

[tidal lichen]

you dont have vesti.

[spiral onyx]

I'll start on it after July. Busy with a bunch of RL shit up till then

Also currently playing both Nekopara and Sword X Staff atm

[unique wagon]

Time to get Makima

[quaint granite]

Just mention his name and he is summoned

[unique wagon]

Makima?

[quaint granite]

Keripo

[swift mango]

[spiral onyx]

https://tenor.com/view/zero-two-kabe-don-deez-nuts-darling-in-the-dranxx-gif-23509521

[quaint granite]

@tropic summit help! Grab the onions!

[spiral onyx]

Three R1s at the same time

[quaint granite]

Conquering two games thats wild

[unique wagon]

Time to cope (ignore the Quantum).

[tropic summit]

nekopara main

[tropic summit]

naruhodo

[unique wagon]

no LapTr too :(

[quaint granite]

How long you been playing to not have her treasure?!

[tropic summit]

good ol misindommable p1 B3, siren gonna love that team

do yourself a favour and run p1 jackal

[unique wagon]

[tropic summit]

other 2 teams are decent

[unique wagon]

I mean whats the issue of misindom

[tropic summit]

i'd prefer you gave biscuit to noah but oh well

[tropic summit]

offburst swha becomes stallable

noah biscuit helmt siren swha or similar

[spiral onyx]

Three. Though in the case of Nikke I'm just a figurehead atm. A figurehead that gets lectured every UR for blowing all his resources into PvP units

[quaint granite]

PvP mastermind after all

[unique wagon]

Does Neon immune trigger on link damage

(not herself)

[tropic summit]

it actually won't matter

the purpose of the counter there only needs to limit itself to not let swha be main B3

it could be any other B3 bursting then, if swha is indommed offburst, she becomes stallable, and there goes the rest of your team to helmT nuke

different story if you add bait to that team, would be 4D chess tier move, make your p2 actually lower hp than p1, then opponent may actually do you a favour and stun p1 to let you indom ON burst

ironically, i had this happen before, but i doubt it was intentional, was still hilarious

[tidal lichen]

@unique wagon give treasure mats pls.

[tropic summit]

@unique wagon give moneys pls.

[tidal lichen]

i dont want to wait 10 days 😭

[swift mango]

Or this. assume units have at least 8% (better 11%+) CS on the symbol.

[unique wagon]

so this?

[unique wagon]

Folkwang propaganda

[placid bloom]

China roster is sad

[swift mango]

You know CN don't even have Bay.

[placid bloom]

all these dogshit char seeing use

[unique wagon]

slow Cindy with Soline

[onyx scaffold]

someone beat keripo with folkwang last CA

(and won CA)

[placid bloom]

maybe even Emma is playable

[swift mango]

Emma is a worse diesel. CN doesn't lack b1.

[unique wagon]

I know Folk is good

[onyx scaffold]

i remember using folk with alice in 2023

[unique wagon]

esp with Anis Biscu thing

[onyx scaffold]

my cn diesel has treasure

[unique wagon]

Anis Folk Biscu works until it doesnt work

Wow

the sky is blue until it isn't blue

💯

[onyx scaffold]

kisenix being kisenix regardless sky color

[swift mango]

She only is working because Anis. CN lack most B2 so couldn't be helped.

[tidal lichen]

people die when they are killed

[unique wagon]

I wish I had Folk built so I can run Anis Folk Biscu and troll people

its as annoying as Helm variant

[swift mango]

You don't need folk built, just upgrade her skill 3.

[unique wagon]

Guys I rmb something then I forgot

[unique wagon]

CP deficit says otherwise

Inb4 we get 100% less hp potency unit

[swift mango]

Folkwang Anis is only for CA. Blanc is better outside.

[unique wagon]

Thats the problem

My Blanc is used elsewhere

[swift mango]

Without Blanc you could easily wipe with Libby or ReiT without worrying a thing.

[swift mango]

[unique wagon]

there is Biscu immune tho

wipe who?

[swift mango]

The whole team without trigger biscuit ever.

[unique wagon]

u think no one would trigger Biscu on Anis P1?

ure underestimating damage dealt in SpA smh

[swift mango]

ReiT doesn't hit hard at all.
Libby hit p5.
HelmT is burst gen without hit p1.

[unique wagon]

wowwwwwwwwww

a very niche team that works because of a very niche team

[swift mango]

You AtK base on opponent team in SpA.

[arctic jewel]

People are starting to use Folkwang now?

[swift mango]

Only because she give healing to AnisTT

[arctic jewel]

But... but... but...

Don't we already have other Nikkes for that purpose?

[modern lake]

Question: For Noise what cube would you recommend more often. Vigor to enhance her burst skill effect? Tempering so she'll live better in the P1 slot? Or some other cube in general?

[arctic jewel]

Vigor

[tropic summit]

vigor is generally more common, tempering if you badly need to survive something

[modern lake]

Okay

[swift mango]

Only helmT who is better be in other teams in CA

[charred quail]

I got told yesterday to use rookie arena for testing

[tropic summit]

ye that's one way to test things

give this a read, especially the Concept and Archetype section
https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/1gnpYPl5Y9WvuovQtOOsClrgHW4GnXdu3qrEPigjZuqM/edit?usp=sharing

[charred quail]

. I bookedmarked it

[tropic summit]

awesome

[arctic jewel]

Hmmm, I would still use other Nikkes

[glad meteor]

Temper better. She ady have vigor on s2

[tropic summit]

vigor combos better with her DoT heal if she stays alive

so it's situational on what you need her to do

[placid bloom]

most scenario that she will die with vigor she will also die with tempering

it doesn't make her that tanky

she see SG she goes

[glad meteor]

[glad meteor]

F2p vs whale would say otherwise

[placid bloom]

well if you C7 with C7 Soline maybe

[glad meteor]

Overkill. Soline alone is kinda fine

[placid bloom]

actually I forgot if Soline heal is based on target HP or caster HP

well you never know, maybe 4 atk 4 ele BSoda can kill from above trigger threshold like in Moran case

unless they fixed that

[quick lake]

castor

[mystic rain]

folkwangy 2.5rl

[charred quail]

Was also told to yap in here with you more often

[mystic rain]

only lifesteal unit we can use in pvp is helm and now folkwang actually

all other stall teams r just pure heals

or usually it's just 1 stall team and helm lifesteal main heal

[arctic jewel]

🤔

[placid bloom]

is Folkwang actually lifesteal or does everything after 1st hit just refresh HoT timer

[mystic rain]

ah...

[placid bloom]

cuz if it just refresh timer then it is not good

[tropic summit]

it's 10seconds of lifesteal

[placid bloom]

oh it's same wording as Helm, both wording is shit

[tropic summit]

keep in mind it's milder than helmT

[placid bloom]

it sounds like HoT

[tropic summit]

helmT is essentially 1/2 of dmg you inflict healed back, folk is around 1/3

[placid bloom]

pretty sure Folkwang is higher at lv10

[tropic summit]

oh ye screen is from lvl 1 lemme pick it from lvl 10

[placid bloom]

65.81%

[mystic rain]

its fine just do 100000x ur base hp so u heal to full every shot))

[placid bloom]

[tropic summit]

like SWHA on blanc and ada buff against fire codes

[mystic rain]

so much dmg man

[tropic summit]

that's higher than helmT then, sweet

[marble saddle]

@tropic summit easy win?

[tropic summit]

at the cost of being only on the 2 highest atk% although

[arctic jewel]

Huuuuuh

[tropic summit]

if you can pop biscuit stacks on p2 aswell sure

[mystic rain]

i was worried abt this as well actually but anis atk buffs herself before b2 and it works out anyway

that or just run 1 atk unit

[arctic jewel]

Don't tell me I need to build another Nikke...

[marble saddle]

with a 49% atk testi? id be surprised if i couldnt

[tropic summit]

it's CA... you don't build units for CA

let that mode rot

[mystic rain]

im running anis folk priv bisc xmaiden this champs and anis and priv gets lifesteal at 2.5rl

[mystic rain]

champs only players

[tropic summit]

wows, deleted

[umbral crown]

I could do the thing if im 100 levels less than you, trust

[mystic rain]

i.e. if ur not playing champs folk is still dead unit for pvp

dw we get it u have 10 whales hogging top 10 spots in ur spa u cant get in top4 its understandable bro

[placid bloom]

surely we don't get punished

120% lifesteal per shot

[mystic rain]

LMAO

[arctic jewel]

But I want my fancy frames 😭
(I still have only reached top 8)

[umbral crown]

Your only B1 can not be P5, biscuit P3, Miranda P4 and cindy P5.

[mystic rain]

lowk id rather have nayu offburst just for hp share than nero

[placid bloom]

nah the extra dmg reduc on your healers kinda important

[marble saddle]

@tropic summit ITS NOT 100%

[placid bloom]

you go from 2x effective HP to 3x

[mystic rain]

bro u have like 2 healers im p sure folk lifesteal doesnt count to nero heal proc

[tropic summit]

add a lappy or emilia?

[umbral crown]

Even if not helm does

[tropic summit]

pretty sure with how stacked your vestiTU is you may not need RH buff @marble saddle

you gonna need to fix their HP ofc so ensure vestiTU stays lower HP

[marble saddle]

ill see how much cp i lose

[placid bloom]

yeah it's just to make sure Anis and Helm don't get instadeath by like Lib or SWHA charge shot

Moran alone not enough to stop it

Folkwang dead for sure

but she already done her job just by casting B2

[mystic rain]

[marble saddle]

yeah i can do it.

[tropic summit]

re-check HPs and links in shooting range

[marble saddle]

already on it

[oak smelt]

Whats a good way to counter this?
SWHA busted with indom but can't kill Tmoran on sustain

[mystic rain]

besti ada

[tropic summit]

blanc swha rh biscuit jackal

[mystic rain]

or rh snow

or even anis blanc snow

+bisc

surely anis +snow is enough dps vs solo moran no bisc

[tropic summit]

there's SG so he gotta watch in p5 too

with jackal he gets that cover and even earns burst gen out if it

[marble saddle]

Yeah they are linked. vesti has 1 mill hp lower than laplace

[tropic summit]

alrighty should ensure you pop biscuit on moran now

lappy hits for ele weak on moran aswell while at it

shouldn't need RH buff as your vesti is stacked on atk%

[marble saddle]

just to confirm since lappy is RL her atk also splashes on moran right

[tropic summit]

ye ofc she hits up to p2

[marble saddle]

yeah i figured

[tropic summit]

also lappy in p3

else you risk indomming biscuit

[marble saddle]

hmm. ok

ill test at reset tommorow im out of attempts now

[tropic summit]

[marble saddle]

#gacha-rolls message

[cedar sorrel]

Is nayu rh 2rl mostly phazed out now by nayu aniss compositions?

[hollow lagoon]

[cedar sorrel]

I still use nayu rh but I see like no one running anymore and I feel old

[tropic summit]

it's fine to force noah out of 🐒

both have the same objective, the anisTT one is more effective

[cedar sorrel]

I see makes sense

I mostly use it cuz RH is a high cp unit for me and it clears aniss up but also when u know how to counter it it isnt too strong

[versed mesa]

I use RH still because she is one of my highest cp

[cedar sorrel]

Yeah exactly

When noah has some OL gear I need to see how I change my defs

Monumental moment for my pvp LOL

[versed mesa]

That extra atk I finally got on Anis though and getting the ele on the same piece to blue did bump her up a lot though.

[umbral crown]

Now make besto shieldo ypur top 5 cp unit

[cedar sorrel]

Donate me doll mats, dolls at all, gear XP and rocks and I gotchu

[versed mesa]

Mine is 6th

[umbral crown]

Ez

[umbral crown]

Mine was top 1 for a while now like top 5 or 6

[cedar sorrel]

Its funny cuz noah prob isnt even gonna let my progress beyond ch7

Cuz theres just the great wall of gapping above that

But maybe my defs become solid enough I can hard wall ch7-8 too

[versed mesa]

If I increased some of the lower lines I could quite easily get her higher, but cs% is enough right now so I don't really feel like doing that, need so much more rocks for other stuff and Kraken gave me non today

My Jackal though, she isn't even 12/12 lines but she is still 4th highest CP

[cedar sorrel]

I rolled for CP on crown and I had 1 number that was bigger than the other so I took it... not realising CP is based off of the phase of the line now just the raw stat

So my crown actually dropped 3k cp

[versed mesa]

I think getting literally any lines on the missing spots would put her 1st or right next to my HelmT

[cedar sorrel]

Real pvper hours

My jackal still stuck at sr10 and she'll be for a while 🔥

[versed mesa]

Sometimes the lower cp doesn't matter, if you got a better value on a stat that actually increases your damage or charge speed for example

[cedar sorrel]

Yeah I definitely dont have that 11%cs stuff going on

[umbral crown]

Top 5

[north brook]

Its more a ca team ppl tried in SpA for cp padding a while

But its just not good

[versed mesa]

Max Core Anis 🐳

[umbral crown]

[cedar sorrel]

Yeah whenever I see it its easy to solve

So people defo also just murk it on my def but I cant make anything better for now either

I think at least

[north brook]

Id advise bay bisc and noise noah instead

Just better noob wall

[umbral crown]

🎣

[versed mesa]

I wish I knew what kind of CA teams to try. I feel like even when I try to copy teams from people who actually make it past advance, I still lose to pure team order bs

[north brook]

Its crazy how many basic teams nayu will lose to

[umbral crown]

Thats me, losing in top 64

[cedar sorrel]

Ive been trying these for now

Idt I can make 3 teams without including nayu rh tho soon when noah is built maybe

[umbral crown]

Vesti P1 and blanc P2

[placid bloom]

[cedar sorrel]

I just made some stupid shit to throw people off maybe

[versed mesa]

Mine

[umbral crown]

Centi top 2?

[cedar sorrel]

This started getting solved by dia people who have been hitting me for lije 2 seasons

[umbral crown]

[cedar sorrel]

So I just changed it up wildly

[versed mesa]

https://tenor.com/view/krunk-emporers-new-groove-map-doesnt-make-sense-confused-gif-5193468

I don't even know why she is that high, I think she has like 1 blue line

[umbral crown]

A sus thing indeed

[placid bloom]

initial rolls too stronk

[versed mesa]

No wait 2

[placid bloom]

everyone else got rerolled into the dirt

[umbral crown]

Nix: in gonna cp gap you with my centi

[shell hazel]

[torn geode]

can someone ELI5 to me what these percentages in burst gen mean? Like you can get 120 2.5RL, or 135 3RL and so on.
Like what does it even mean when lets say u have a team with 100 2RL and theres a team u want to hit with 120 2.5RL or with a 130 2.5RL or even 140 3RL does that mean the opp team gets to burst at the same time ur team bursted? Even when they are 2.5RL or 3RL and you are 2RL.

Does the burst gen percentage that goes beyond 100% and nearing above 120, 130, 140 in their specific RL means they are actually burst at the same time like 1+ higher burst tier or even faster than it?

[oak smelt]

Works nicely, TY🙏

[tropic summit]

each units produces a certain amount of % burst gen
if your team produces enough burst gen to hit a 2RL, you'll have at least 100% for that threshold
if it doesn't, you may have e.g. 90% for 2RL but maybe enough for 2.5RL, e.g. 100%+

it is telling you on which burst gen threshold your team can get to

[placid bloom]

deck uses fixed points in time for burst gauge reference, if you want more precise timing you will need to use top.

[oak smelt]

MoranT in P1 taunted and Noah still get stunned by Siren?

[cedar sorrel]

Oh I forgot about privaT I have her now

[tropic summit]

team needs to be 11%CS team wide or fast enough to prevent siren stun in p2 if you're on noah taunt priority and siren is in p1 or p2

[oak smelt]

Oo, i see

[tropic summit]

noah taunts p1 and p2, so if enemy siren is in p1 or p2 she'll shoot noah

[placid bloom]

Moran B1 doesn't overwrite Noah charge shot

[tropic summit]

what we've tested is that if noah is p1 and moran is p2, but siren isnt in p1 or p2, you'll still get moran stunned instead

[oak smelt]

[tropic summit]

an easy solution if you don't wanna remember all of that is running noise with noah and noise with 4CS% less than noah, at that point you've noise taunt priority and cannot be stunned on 2RL B1

[versed mesa]

Or if you are smooth brain like me and need to see the visual graph on top

[placid bloom]

taunt on hit > taunt all enemies > no taunt is priority for targeting

Noah is on hit, Moran is all enemies