pvp-arena

[hollow lagoon]

the number in the green slot is how many days tis afk

[viscid urchin]

40K MENTIONED!

Funny thing is, I never played any of the games or read the lore but I KNOW this is a quote from a prominent Chaos Space Marine

[tropic summit]

holy macaroni

[upper grove]

Is he multiplying

[shell hazel]

the opposite tbh

[quaint granite]

Its a failed abortion

[shell hazel]

we reducing until we get the 1 true zanta

like Highlander

[hollow lagoon]

funny part is we kicked him and he reapplied then tib reaccepted him then he proceed to do real bad dmg and then start afk again

[upper grove]

Last zanta standing it is then

[quaint granite]

Zanta is the guiding light

[upper grove]

Diabolical

[hollow lagoon]

back then the rule was we kick you after 3 union raid skip

lullululululul

[tropic summit]

that's actually quite lenient

[hollow lagoon]

now days we yeet for not onion the rail

[shell hazel]

if not advised why anyway

[upper grove]

https://tenor.com/view/bloodborne-ludwig-my-true-mentor-my-guiding-moonlight-moonlight-gif-20321022

[quaint granite]

Give Onions to Rail will give you a chance to redeem yourself

[shell hazel]

pay the onion price

[tropic summit]

[quaint granite]

Onion the Rail

[hollow lagoon]

It’s not chaos SM, it’s a ultramarine chaplian

[tropic summit]

i'm gonna shower, i just noticed i didn't yet today and it's already midnight

too busy yapping

[quaint granite]

Let us join

[viscid urchin]

Rest well boss

[quaint granite]

[shell hazel]

shit where did my weekend go lol

[quaint granite]

Its Monday soon!!!

[tropic summit]

ikr, it just flew by

[shell hazel]

that is NOT a good thing

[quaint granite]

[upper grove]

Wdym soon it's already Monday

[viscid urchin]

I have a stat holiday for mine so I got free long weekend

[quaint granite]

Me and Tav 39min away

[hollow lagoon]

Anyways in my headcannon NIKKE is just a abondoned adaptus mechanicus planet, the raptures are experiments on necron tech gone wrong, Nikkes are skitarii soldiers but just with hot girl skins, pilgrim tiers are basically psyker/living saints

[viscid urchin]

And here I was thinking Nikke are just pre-Andro-Eidos from Stellar Blade

[shell hazel]

shihai in your area ✅

[hollow lagoon]

Men of iron planet

Still in 40k

[hollow lagoon]

Onion the rail togethaaaaaa

https://tenor.com/view/elden-ring-together-gif-4486144393233502664

[shell hazel]

[viscid urchin]

VULCAN LIVES! Stomp stomp

[quaint granite]

Onion him in da showerzzz

Tbh @hollow lagoon if you hit Vulcan, other members can kill it

So its 4 dead bosses

[hollow lagoon]

I should have

[hollow lagoon]

Hammering has Vulcan genes

Dark skin girl with big hammer

I ain’t making this up

[quaint granite]

[hollow lagoon]

The only big hammer girl is dark skin, NIKKE is in 40k verse

https://tenor.com/view/i-don't-know-idk-idk-about-that-gif-7336250873949261946

[quaint granite]

Shes Warhammer

[hollow lagoon]

[viscid urchin]

And our Commander is a piece of the Emperor's soul, just reliving a memory from another lifetime where he porked cyborgs

[hollow lagoon]

Next thing we gonna see is long dark hair girl with stealth

And of course she has a claw knife

[quaint granite]

[hollow lagoon]

Like lore already call him messiah, tis the avatar of the Omnissiah, all machine girls love him

[quaint granite]

Machine God Pegger

[hollow lagoon]

Praise the Omnissiah bois

[quaint granite]

[viscid urchin]

His project is also called “Metal Messiah”, the Commander in Chief is apparently stuck in a perpetual box/throne and he consistently inspires loyalty on a very spiritual level

[viscid urchin]

Isn’t that the brand of Khorne?

[hollow lagoon]

I know heresy when I seee it

[viscid urchin]

Don’t pull a Black Templar on me

[hollow lagoon]

[quaint granite]

Oh shiet

https://tenor.com/view/warhammer-gif-19055033

[tropic summit]

[quaint granite]

[versed mesa]

These are what my new rival is cooking for defense

[quaint granite]

Holy crap thats creative

[charred quail]

Thoughts on this goal?

Learn PvP to the point where I don’t need to ask for your help

[tropic summit]

that's a cute attempt, if only T1 and T3 weren't pretty damn bad

[viscid urchin]

Man I forgot how many fights 42 had. Holy crap 40 and still going

[tropic summit]

looks doable, you can do it

[quaint granite]

Is it that bad?

[charred quail]

Do you have the page of team compositions so that I can use those to reference when I watch recordings?

[versed mesa]

Yeah, that's what I was thinking, they aren't those "damn I can't figure this shit out" unlike my other rivals. Still able to beat mine though, then again attack advantage and I haven't changed them since the shuffle

[tropic summit]

look at T3 speed and T1 comp

[gritty ridge]

Rail how keen are you on teaching a new disciple

[quaint granite]

T1 sustain hard if 2RL

[gritty ridge]

You could have a 3rd me/hime

[versed mesa]

I nuke it with Lib

[tropic summit]

who's this candidate i wonder

[quaint granite]

[tropic summit]

you mean this #pvp-arena message?

[quaint granite]

Libby strikes again

[gritty ridge]

Oh you already know the guy

[tropic summit]

this could also be useful btw @charred quail

#pvp-arena message
#pvp-arena message

[gritty ridge]

Its him

Mr fish

[versed mesa]

Then we ask you for help

[tropic summit]

why you don't be his teacher instead?

[gritty ridge]

Im not a good teacher

[quaint granite]

Hes dreaming he has full blacklines

[tropic summit]

sounds like excuses

these bigbois nowdays

[charred quail]

To use to cross reference when looking at recordings. I don’t know what’s units in a team so it would be helpful

[gritty ridge]

@lethal karma yeah get better

[tropic summit]

then the link i gave you above is probably useful, it has most archetypes you'll be using

i've another thing i can give ya

[shell hazel]

|| deez nuts ||?

[charred quail]

I don’t mind

Would be helpful to reduce the amount of pings rail gets

[tropic summit]

@charred quail solving steps:

1. can i gap? GAP
2. can i outspeed? instant nuker
3. is the team the best of the 3? skip it
4. team has nuke oriented comp? anti nuke
5. team has indom? can it be stalled/outsustained? run noah archetype with lifesteal/sustain
6. team has indom and cannot be stalled/outsustained? run slower indom or remove attackers early (rosanna, absolute etc)
7. team has stall? can it be countered by indom? run indom
8. team has stall? does it mitigate or counter indom? run harder stall or slow cindy

[charred quail]

This one and the one in the pin?

[tropic summit]

https://klipy.com/gifs/getout-28--k01KRW31XSH9VC8JR27MEHXBYHZ

[gritty ridge]

No, increase them

I harassed rail until I wasnt dumb anymore

[tropic summit]

in the pins you've general purpose archetypes of all kinds, in the links i gave you there's showcase of each common and less common archetype, finally with the solving step above you've the steps in understanding what you could use

put them altogether and you've the tools to have a basic idea of what to run

obviously you can still ask/confirm here to see if you got it right before running

[sand fulcrum]

Any bored pvp pros mind helpin out someone who still doesnt get pvp with 3 team recs? Ive included what i think are my 3 best teams, with 2 being my best/rookie arena team. Also included units/fav items i dont have to consider

[charred quail]

it would help if you sent the stuff you just sent in dm So it doesn’t get lost in the channel

[shell hazel]

https://tenor.com/view/come-on-in-elcome-enter-come-inside-come-gif-15903675

[tropic summit]

done all yours

[versed mesa]

What is the default slow cindy lineup btw? I haven't had to resort to it so I always forget. I want to write it down so I don't need to ask again every few months

Just incase

[tropic summit]

T3 needs to go
T2 don't need biscuit
T1 you've noah yet i don't see her

[gritty ridge]

Blanc cindy mihara bisc rumani

[sand fulcrum]

Alright i can work with this. Can i get a recommendation for t3 replacement? Who replaces biscuit on t2? Who does noah replace for t1?

[tropic summit]

there's 3 or 4 general patterns depending on what unit you need to save up

• blanc midhara cindy biscuit rumani
• nayuta cindy biscuit midhara rumani
• anisTT blanc cindy biscuit swha
• blanc siren cindy biscuit rumani

[charred quail]

@gritty ridge I’d say give me maybe about 1 to 2 months to become a third you/hime.

Ima fast learner

[gritty ridge]

Knowledge-wise it only took me a month ish, invest wise is a wayyyy different story

[tropic summit]

aim for these archetypes:

• moran noah biscuit swha flex (flex is clipSG or clipRL tier)
• jackal vestiTU flex blanc link (link should be an attacker or a linked unit with higher HP than vestiTU and that does not feed, flex can be xmaiden/ada or any unit that does not feed and is not low HP)
• nayuta anisTT privT flex helmT (flex is any unit that keeps you natural 2RL)

[sand fulcrum]

I can tell this is good advice but its way over my head now sadly lol

[charred quail]

yes. invest is the hard part kek

Shouldnt be that much of an issue for me since i have a lot of the pve pvp overlap already invested

[tropic summit]

i'll make it easier

• moran noah biscuit swha laplaceT/emilia/lib
• jackal vestiTU xmaiden/ada blanc laplaceT/emilia/lib
• nayuta anisTT privT noir/drakeT/bsoda helmT

[gritty ridge]

Ive become a cs merchant

I do not think rail approves of me becoming a cs merchany

[tropic summit]

if you're going for CA champ it's fine, if you're not (which is probably healthier on your rocks) just stick to basic CS%

[charred quail]

im trying not to brick pve while learning pvp so im going to just get cs lines on clips that dont need huge investments in solo raid

[sand fulcrum]

Much easier thank you lol are those also in the correct order to place in team?

[gritty ridge]

Cs is an all or nothing thing

Its a teamwide buff so it needs to be on all units that it applies to

[versed mesa]

Alright logging out while in C4 If I am below C4 when I log in tomorrow, I'm going Cave Johnson lemon on the whole bracket 🍋 🔥

[tropic summit]

here's what you need the most:

• helmT 8CS%
• vestiTU 5CS%+
• keep noise lower CS% than noah of at least 4%
• trina, rumani, centi, jackal, noise, noah 11%CS+
• anisTT 8%CS+

[charred quail]

im going to put this in the dm if you dont mind.

[versed mesa]

https://tenor.com/view/combustable-lemon-gif-16047076837793951543

[tropic summit]

just make a xls or file where you store all that instead, no need to use someone's else chat for that but ok

[sand fulcrum]

Im just gonna assume u listed them in the right order

[placid bloom]

Helm 15% is the new one now I think

you can do some natural 1.5RL with it

[gritty ridge]

Specifically with anis

[placid bloom]

it matters a bit for Nayuta nuking into Blanc too

[tropic summit]

ye order matters in pvp

left to right is burst order
there's also position pressure that differs for each spot

p1 takes the most dmg
p2 is exposed to regular splash
p3 is exposed to special splash (emilia, vestiTU)
p4 is exposed to only SWHA pokes pre burst
p5 is exposed to SGs if you attacking, SR if you're defending

[cedar sorrel]

Good info

[sand fulcrum]

Oh nice! So you did list them in the right order?

[sand fulcrum]

Thats not what i asked lol but im just gonna go with yes. Thanks for the help!

[tropic summit]

all teams you will be given will be in the order they need to be ran

specifically because unit position matter in pvp

[sand fulcrum]

Youd be surprised with some people! Lol

[versed mesa]

Rail came out in the right order when he was born

[tropic summit]

yeah i guess it's better to ask just to be sure

[sand fulcrum]

I mean i honestly assumed so, they seem quite knowledgeable lol

[sand fulcrum]

So sorry but last question. 2 teams recommend laplaceT/emilia/lib, but i only have lib. Is there another unit recommendstion? If not i could pool resources into laplace to treasure her, but not sure if shes super worth it or not...

[tropic summit]

this is a burst gen sheet, any clipSG or clipRL can generally be a flex

instead of lappy/emilia/lib you can slot a drakeT/bsoda/noir or similar

if your trina is decently invested she can also slot in moran noah biscuit swha trina, as she buffs moran

[sand fulcrum]

Gotcha, i get what youre puttin down. Man i really need to learn pvp ._. Its just so hard to not focus on pve!!!

[tropic summit]

as long as you're sitting comfy on dia1 or even better on ch ranks, you're doing fine

the average lad will be around dia1-dia2, those who put a tad more effort should be in challenger ranks

(this assumes you never took breaks and didn't slack on progression anyway)

[sand fulcrum]

Sadly my highest is diamond 4. And yeah never done challenge ranks i dont think...

[versed mesa]

https://tenor.com/view/لييوو-gif-16809754927858649993

[sand fulcrum]

Everyone else is a higher level than me! No one around my ranks is sub400 like me smfh

[rich quail]

Thank you for this

What is Anis TT Star’s ranking? Is it higher than SR Anis?

[tropic summit]

when kosmiu will bother adding her to sheet i wonder

[charred quail]

yea. im going to make a google doc right now

and then any additional info you give, there wont be anymore dms. i heard from urawhat that you dont like dms

[tropic summit]

not the DMs per see but you can imagine if everyone who asks for help starts DMing is gonna be hell

i'd prefer they type here, as i may also just not be online

so other lads can also help out

[charred quail]

Understood.

im making the doc right now. ill let you know when im done so that you can delete the dms

[tropic summit]

no worries take ur time

[cedar sorrel]

Nikke deck is updated now to show the 6% extra gen now or does aniss just have 35.6 2rl gen without it?

[hazy lantern]

Hi there, would running a team that combines bay and biscuit make for a team that's virtually unkillable for the duration of the biscuit invincibility on bay?
I'm a pvp noob so I don't really understand how invincibility works when it comes to shared damage

[placid bloom]

Bay's portion of the damage share isn't high enough to keep your team from dying without a strong healer, but it's possible to survive when combined with stuff like Moran + Helm yes

not an unkillable team but it's solid

[tropic summit]

there's a few different scenarios and it depends entirely on the enemy damage sources and the eventual nuke type

on a very broad sense:

as long as bay cover is present:

• bay without biscuit buff: blocks 1 hit nuke types (scarlet, reiT, pmaid, ein)
• bay on biscuit buff: blocks overflow nukes (the most common ones being liberalio and emilia)

damage is denied as long as her cover is active, even 1% is enough

if bay does not have cover left:

• bay without biscuit buff: shares damage with whole team, this means you also get increased damage if any unit of the link takes elemental weak damage
• bay with biscuit buff: damage is denied by 1/5th, as bay does not take dmg, but other units will and still distribute

[placid bloom]

it should be 25% reduction as long as Bay is alive

well assuming everyone getting hit equally at least

[tropic summit]

you mean from her DR or from being invulnerable?

[placid bloom]

normal link would be 20-20-20-20-20, Bay is 15-40-15-15-15 so everyone is taking 25% less than the full damage of an AoE

[tropic summit]

ah ye that's correct

didn't want to go into numbers but that's very specific and correct

[placid bloom]

but that is assuming the attack hits all 5 of your party continuously

[tropic summit]

yeah it goes a bit more complicated depending on what's hitting you

[placid bloom]

it becomes a lot more valuable when your opponent runs out of AoE after the first nuke and can only hit p1

with single target shots

then it's basically 85% dmg reduction on p1

[tropic summit]

that's just how valuable a biscuit is combined with bay

[placid bloom]

cuz they cannot get through p2-5 without killing p1 first and p1 is only taking 15%

[tropic summit]

the longer you keep bay alive, the more you benefit from reduction team wide

and biscuit loves keeping bay alive

even more so if she's the only defender, if you can give her x2 stacks, you drammatically increase team uptime

[placid bloom]

well I guess it's really only -25% but you have 4 HP bars to burn through

[tropic summit]

think about how powerful her treasure could've been if it was actually meaningful

they did her dirty

[hazy lantern]

I'm trying so hard to wrap my tiny brain around this
Thank you all for the answers, it sounds like she's somewhat worth building for me

[tropic summit]

if you're noahless absolutely do, if not you could put her in the back corner or if you want to give CA a shot

[placid bloom]

there are other priorities usually but if you are done with everything higher on the tier list it's alright to build her

[tropic summit]

the next thing after noah is bay

after that it goes a bit on the copium cave with anchorIM and potentially folk

[charred quail]

@tropic summit Should I call you teacher now?

||It's a joke||

[tropic summit]

[hazy lantern]

I do have almost all units but my arena teams always seem lackluster in some way shape or form

[tropic summit]

no need for formalities or titles, just ask for help and think of me as anyone else in this chat

[hazy lantern]

Just never figured out a way to get all 3 of my teams past enemy nukes

[tropic summit]

pvp in this game is actually very simple, it's always a matter of rock paper and scissor

some teams do well against others, it all comes down to using the right card for the situation

also don't worry but defense is technically not possible, if your defense works is because the opponent made a mistake, he lacked the tools or was gapped

[hazy lantern]

That's true

Mmm I'll put bay on the backseat for now

[charred quail]

. It's a joke anyway.

[placid bloom]

you cannot defend against humans but 90% of your arena group is actually monkeys so you cannot expect them to perform like humans

they might get close sometimes

[hazy lantern]

That's a diabolical statement

[tropic summit]

it's actually true, a lot of ppl are very casual about pvp and won't spend time informing or improving themselves

so there are some monkey-proof defenses

[hazy lantern]

I wish there were more monkeys in my arena group

[quaint granite]

https://tenor.com/view/monkey-monke-banana-monkey-eats-banana-me-asf-gif-8554916738071910837

[keen vapor]

Me:

Banana hat gives +2 defense and +7 freshness

[versed mesa]

I'm the monkey who tries to mimic an ape

[stone heart]

Oh damn no wonder i Saw the defense combo last 2 season when the cp in a mess looks like unkillable. So thats the reason

[umbral belfry]

@tropic summitfish is a big fan

[tropic summit]

https://klipy.com/gifs/anime-ahhhh-1--k01KRW71HSPV9DSRNXMJSNAM2V1

[umbral belfry]

i believe in 🐟

[tropic summit]

[hazy lantern]

I can't get bay out of my head. The more I think about her value, the more tempted I am to build her

[quaint granite]

I treasured her to the max

[hazy lantern]

Here are my current comps. I plan to slot Bay in team 1 instead of Nayuta
Would this be considered a valid investment?

[hollow lagoon]

noah could be dead by vesti

[hazy lantern]

That's fair, she might be worth treasuring just for the sake of exchanging items

[gritty ridge]

Put her in my bed actually

[hazy lantern]

Oh I never really thought about her interactions with vesti, I might shuffle their positions around a bit. Thanks for pointing it out!

[gritty ridge]

Put noah in p4

Or p5 ideally

[hazy lantern]

Understood

[rich quail]

Good stuff, thanks 🙇🏻‍♂️

Will it help to get DEF lines for Bay? Or is it unrelated because of cover?

And I heard there is that new Cover cube… does it help Bay at all?

[gritty ridge]

No and no

Bays best cube is tempura

Lines don't matter outside of team cs balancing

[hollow lagoon]

Cover cube is so bad

[charred quail]

@tropic summit The document is done. You can delete the dms now.

[drifting spear]

Anyone feel like giving me some tips for special arena defense? I'm finally having people knock me out of position I've been holding for a few months now.

These are my most built pvp Nikke. I have basically everyone, but anyone not pictured is not built. Whether it's blue dolls or level 4 skills

[winter dirge]

Still trying to figure out a few things with Arena. Can someone explain why Biscuit's skill 2 to heal Defender allies doesn't seem to affect Cinderella around the ~11s mark? What am I missing?

[gritty ridge]

It was already used on noah and anis

[rich quail]

Are we looking for 11%+ cs?

[gritty ridge]

Id go 15% personally, but 11% is fine

[quaint granite]

Your Cindy has more health than Noah?

[winter dirge]

... I just realized I had been misreading what "Activates 2 times per battle" actually meant. Thanks

[gritty ridge]

Cindy has decoy which prevents dmg

[quaint granite]

oh yeah true

[winter dirge]

tbh i'm still confused because neither Anis, Noah, or Cinderella ever seem to get healed any

[gritty ridge]

She heals when she invuls them

[quaint granite]

His team sustains alot with Helm burst healing

[fast marsh]

Hi guys ik im in here a lot but i think I finally have a good collection of characters I wanna know what my most efficient PvP teams will be, ik im low sync but i at the very least want to earn points

[winter dirge]

Thanks for insight guys👍

[quaint granite]

try Anis Star + Blanc + Snow White Heavy Arms + Biscuit + Drake

[fast marsh]

For rookie right?

[quaint granite]

Yep

Very limited but thats what I think is best for you atm

[fast marsh]

Same deployment order or should they be moved around?

[quaint granite]

That order I put

[finite scarab]

if opponent dosent have a b3 nuke and dosent have heal/indom, will helmT burst beat this opponent? with the heals for my team?

[fast marsh]

Okay thanks so much!!

[quaint granite]

Depends what your team is

[viscid urchin]

@tropic summit preliminary for PrivaT

[quaint granite]

Do you have Anis Star?

Just replace Moran

Also depends on your investment

But I do believe you will win this one

[finite scarab]

on which unit? helm?

[quaint granite]

Replace Moran with Anis Star

You'll 100% win this one

[unique wagon]

how to beat

[quaint granite]

can I see what defences you did?

[unique wagon]

will Noah block it

[quaint granite]

Noah will block it early so 1 second left still blocks Cindy's nuke in theory

[charred quail]

@tropic summit recording that i watched. Some key takeaways i got from this is that yuly won because his biscuit 50% was triggered on noah which stalled the opponent indom. Is there anything else that im missing?

Based on number 4: stall team with lifesteal (deals with stallable indoms)

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3NvHAzlqc74

[unique wagon]

Are u sure sure

[quaint granite]

Thats the enemy or your Noah's Team?

[unique wagon]

I just want to see if Noah 2 RL blocks it

[quick lake]

should not i think. ill do 2rl lib

slow biscuit + cindy has not been very reliable imo

[quaint granite]

Lib has a 1s burst delay though

[odd lantern]

I tested cindy a lot when she first got released because she was my only invested dps for pvp then, and in my experience usually noah blocks it 2RL vs 3RL cindy

unless you have some uber CS build with noah et al and maybe jackal feed

[quick lake]

cindy in 2026 pvp is a no

[odd lantern]

yeah but that was the question no?

[unique wagon]

what is 2 RL Lib

[quick lake]

hm yeah, Noah might catch

[odd lantern]

I tested around 2nd anni (whenever cindy came out), unless it changed a lot since then

[quick lake]

like 2RL Lib nuke
Like Noise Noah Lib Helm Rumani for eg

[quaint granite]

Noah's Shield lasts for 3s iirc

[quick lake]

Depends on cs% tuning i think. If 2RL Noah vs 3RL cindy, might be blocked.

If its 1.8RL Noah, Noah might not catch cindy iirc

[quaint granite]

Totally

[odd lantern]

yes, this is my experience actually

[quick lake]

yeppp

[quaint granite]

2RL-2.5RL Noah will 100% catches Cindy's 3RL

Regular none 15% cs

If Noah has Anis Star + Helm + SWHA then its extremely fast I think

[odd lantern]

if you're too fast you might lose half your team to cindy or something, not necessraily wipe when I see it fail, depending on your speed

[quick lake]

yep exactly

[quick lake]

I’ve tried a few slow B1 B3 Defender Invuln + Nayuta/Makima, but limited success in my experience. Biscuit invuln proc on Cindy not as consistent as I imagined, and still loses to Blanc Indom opponents

[raven plover]

blocks half of cindy ticks

[odd lantern]

wouldnt bay just block cindy there? like bay with biscuit

[quick lake]

Bay alone not enough to block Cindy

Cindy nukes too hard for Bay to keep up

[odd lantern]

Really? I havent kept up to date, because i remember it used to at least

[placid bloom]

it only works in CA

doesn't work in SPA

CA cover built diff

[gritty ridge]

Bisc bay could probably tank cindy

[placid bloom]

with Biscuit maybe doable

but most likely need a second defensive tool tbh

[gritty ridge]

Moran bisc bay can 100% block cindy

[placid bloom]

Bay by herself usually sus

[gritty ridge]

Moran bisc bay blocked my rrh

||I was in 24% deficit||

[quick lake]

Needs Noise/Moran + Bay to tank Cindy

biscuit optional last i tested

[unique wagon]

how strong is a Moran buffed by HelmT burst + Sanis offburst

[quick lake]

Not really strong. Even Trina buffed Moran is kinda ehhh

[pure moss]

any cook for new CA?

[ionic rose]

are we getting updated CA soon? beta ending right

[raven plover]

yes, now we enter beta 2.0

[charred quail]

Now we become hoboman and top 8

[quaint granite]

Beta 2.0, Surface is coming!

[lethal karma]

And i am, i beat em

[umbral crown]

you were supposed to share a Neo Neon cook

[quick lake]

realised that Neon is immune to stun?

[pure moss]

not now, after CA start

[umbral crown]

yes

inmune to anything

[quick lake]

[umbral crown]

you can fight privaty with neon and she will not stun her

[pure moss]

but we can't have neon at p1

[umbral crown]

no worries, she can be even in p4

as long as you B2 before stun all good

[unique wagon]

Bro IT SAYS DEBUFF IMMUNITY

[quick lake]

I didnt read nor invest Neon

[umbral crown]

gonna share you a video later

[unique wagon]

My beloved Neon Anis Blanc cook

Whoever gets indom idc

No ones gonna run ReiT in my PvP

[quick lake]

@unique wagon dk whether u’ll find this funny/viable

[unique wagon]

thats my comp bro

I advocated that comp here for weeks

loses against ada comps though

[quick lake]

yeah similar

[unique wagon]

I need a good Nayu def team without Anis

[quick lake]

Nayu Helm RH ig. But expensive

[unique wagon]

that team is so bad

Noah Biscu and Moran Noah kills it

2 most common archetypes

I'm more interested in slow Cindy comps

the counters are less common

Idk which variant is best for def

there are so many variants

also what's a good def with Moran Noah?

do I use Biscu with them or try to build them without Biscu

[quick lake]

I think its not the best, but it works somewhat. I know Rail likes that conp alot

Moran Noah Helm SWHA flex/Siren
is still my favorite setup

Otherwise Moran Bay Biscuit Helm SWHA is great/better too

[quaint granite]

Makima just slaps Vesti to submission

[quick lake]

Just need 1 bullet

[quick lake]

My issue with slow Cindy comps is that they still lose to Blanc Indom team, while using up alot of expensive units like Anis and Biscuit

I rather use Biscuit in Moran Bay Biscuit setup

Because Moran Bay Biscuit should win Blanc Indom and most nukes

If im slotting in Biscuit, and the team doesnt win Indom, doesnt seem that worth it imo

and Anis can go into Nero Anis Moran comps

[unique wagon]

helm bursts?

wont that team die to Blanc indom too

or noah biscu ig

[quick lake]

Yep! Helm burst. SWHA lifesteals and survives through Indom whatever

[unique wagon]

ig Siren makes it harder for me to run Noah against it

[unique wagon]

u can make good teams with Biscu there no

whats ur other teams if u run ur fav Moran Noah Helm SWHA Siren

[quick lake]

I dont run Moran Noah nowadays. Maybe something like this?

I have other better defense setups

[unique wagon]

Ah yes Noah Rosa

[quick lake]

arguably, I think Noah team is the weakest

[unique wagon]

What makes Cindy comps weak to indom

[gritty ridge]

That t3 is a weird team

[quick lake]

It is usually cope team 3

[gritty ridge]

This is what im running atm

[quick lake]

Yeah, ur setups are pretty good

[gritty ridge]

I forgot to mark all the cs% cuz t2 is also sub 2rl

[unique wagon]

Anis indom vs TVesti indom, who wins indom war

[gritty ridge]

Whoever burst 2nd

[unique wagon]

everywhere I see TVesti Blanc Jack

[gritty ridge]

Its a good team

[unique wagon]

but u need to have tvesti :(

What makes Cindy comps weak to indom

[quick lake]

This was pretty good to me

Label can be replace by Noise, anti Rosanna functionally

[gritty ridge]

1 time dmg instance rather than sustained dps

[quick lake]

without Biscuit? Just cant survive Vesti indom

[gritty ridge]

Put label in p4

Also put vesti in p2, unless somehow rumani is linked

[unique wagon]

ok what is Nayu RH Helm team again

[quick lake]

So far, the only setups that Win Indom is:
Nero Anis Moran (with good invest)
Moran Helm SWHA lifesteal

[gritty ridge]

Moran bay bisc swha x.maid

[quick lake]

yep, Moran Bay Bisc variants too

[umbral crown]

snow p3...

[quick lake]

Technically my Meme maxHP up team too

[gritty ridge]

I personally dont like nero anis too much, but its a solid team

[quick lake]

yeah. just diff preferences

[gritty ridge]

I prefer anis to feed priv to be fast af lol

[unique wagon]

how slow can Cindy teams be before Biscu immune expires

[gritty ridge]

Around 4rl iirc

[quick lake]

Can be abit inconsistent, because P1 might get invuln twice, then no invuln for Cindy

Maybe P1/2 Defender + Cindy ig

[unique wagon]

with Nayu

[quick lake]

should work i think?

[unique wagon]

how slow

[quick lake]

Maybe this? idk needa test

[charred quail]

@tropic summit Hello Rail, id like you to give teams for me to counter. i feel like that would be the fastest/best way to learn pvp

[restive heart]

best way to learn pvp is spending gems on attempts

[stone heart]

Push core to 20 and start clowning at rookie arena

[gritty ridge]

Core?

[stone heart]

Infrastructure core

[unique wagon]

Can Makima tank a Vesti Burst + 1st volley without triggering indom? hmm

[gritty ridge]

I would not imagine so

Only moran can really do that

[quick lake]

idk tbh

I think its possible though, idk

[gritty ridge]

Thats alot of dmg to tank before going to 1 hp

[quick lake]

Idk how Makima’s indom works. My guess is that whatever giga dmg is recieves, if dmg recieved > HP, trigger indom

Unlike biscuit invuln, where if dmg is more than HP, bypasses invuln trigger

[gritty ridge]

You have it right

She can technically stall as long as indom with just bisc

[quick lake]

Yeah, Makima was ahead of the times

Keripo regrets not c7 her iirc

[gritty ridge]

I mean, thats all she does tho

[quick lake]

I think she will work in some super niche comps eventually

[gritty ridge]

Nayuta adds dmg, neon is neon i wont acknowledge her skills, biscuit allows any defender to stall

Nayuta also buffs

[quick lake]

Yeah, all still good

[gritty ridge]

Also shes a b2

So if you put her in p1 you sacrifice any kind of good burst

[unique wagon]

Imagine if this survives indom.

disregard quantum cube

checked timings not possible

assuming TVesti doesn't reload, final rocket lands at 12.76692s. Makima's indom would last until 12.4s if killed by 1st rocket, 12.767 if killed by 2nd rocket, and 13+ if killed by third rocket. Makima would outlast if she got killed by 3rd rocket or later, assuming TVesti doesn't reload for 4 volleys straight or use Ada.

if TVesti reloads once

Vesti would win the final shot if Vesti uses Resil otherwise Makima wins

actually Idk I dont do math

@quick lake Can u rookie that team against TVesti indom to see

no one runs Tvesti in my rookie

[unique wagon]

nvm u alr tested it

cindy p1 ig to force enemy to burst faster

hmm ill put Noah P5 ig

maybe Siren P2 to deter Noah P5 too but TVesti volley kinda scary

[lethal karma]

What are good lines for pvp scarlet? Just atk/ammo? Is ele necessary?

[livid rover]

https://x.com/i/status/2055980986110722419

よん。 (@yon_NIKKE)

【今のチャンアリのトレンドはコレだぁ❗️😎✨️】
《第1回チャンアリ☆なう！》

『現在の流行テンプレ5編成』
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▶︎ビスケ不屈🌟アニス
▶︎モランノイズノア
▶︎紅蓮ソーダwithジャッカル
▶︎TUべスティー or SG

★確実に流行っている...

X · May 17, 2026, 11:57 AM

[quick lake]

I’ve tried this variants. Sometimes Cindy doesnt get invuln, and/or Biscuit dies and no 2nd Invuln.

Also when nuked by opponent, remaining Nayuta/Rumani/Cindy burst gen is too low. Only bursts at 5RL+ which invuln would have worn off and team just dies

Also, if Cindy nukes, her follow up autos are really weak eg against Moran. In the end, Moran just solos sometimes. Imo Anis is much better B1 than Rumani

Also Anis’ extra burst gen helps boosts Makima/Nayuta burst gen significantly

but overall team is pretty expensive if u use Biscuit and Anis

@kind palm has tried a few slow Cindy comps in CA, but he says they’ve lost against all matchups

look at me yappingg

idk. I know CN(?) like Slow Cindy but it doesnt seem as viable to me after my tests

[ocean vale]

Hi guys. Can someone please help me make a good team for my special arena. I keep getting beat up, even though they are lower levels to me.

[neon kelp]

Ive been yoinking sp arena defenses and this so far worked best! my goat railtracer

[glossy sierra]

insane aura

[glossy sierra]

damn someone beat me to it

[swift mango]

same investment nero team can't win.

maybe win against non buff vesti indom

[unique wagon]

What

SpA def comp?

[unique wagon]

Hmmm

[visual garden]

took a long break and im atleast 300 lvls below everyone in arena. anyway i can climb to 1k gems per season? or just give up and forget about pvp?

could start a new acc but i have a lot of meta units i dont want to try rolling again lol

[glad meteor]

Could just invest in pve. And cp pad your def/atk for pvp

[shell hazel]

pve g0ons

[glad meteor]

[unique wagon]

R 15 -> SR 5 Doll vs SR 0 -> SR 5 Doll

Efficiency calculation assuming unused R Dolls are recycled.

SR 0 -> SR 5 using Purple Mats Only is as efficient as R 15 -> SR 5.
SR 0 -> SR 1 using Blue, then SR 1 -> SR 5 using Purple is ~15.375 Blues more expensive.
SR 0 -> SR 5 using Blue Only is ~35.275 Blues more expensive.

Excludes the 15% chance of SR Doll (can be assumed as bonus).

Note that this calculation is biased toward R 15 -> SR 5 because it judges based on provided EXP value. In practice, Purple & Gold materials are more valuable. Because of that, SR 0 -> SR 5 may actually be more efficient in Option B or C.

Verdict: You don't always have to start with R 0, especially if you are not sure whether you will invest further.

[versed mesa]

At one point I had so many SR dolls that I just decided to put them on some Nikkes that weren't my main for anything but used occasionally. Now I regret it as some of those ended up by accident getting a treasure or me realising that they are actually much better to actually use in SR over some of my other units Would have saved so many mats if I just held out and did R15 to SR5.

[unique wagon]

not so many, its negligible

like 10-15 blues per unit

as long as you sr 0 -> sr 1 with blues, then sr 1 -> sr 2 with purple

[versed mesa]

I didn't say how many units I gave a 0 SR doll to

[unique wagon]

bro even 10 units, you only lost 100-150 blues

it's barely a dent it's not even

[glass lodge]

Guys, how much should i invest in rosanna

[restive heart]

7-10-10 skill
4x atk (40% + atk)
sr15 doll
more dupes, the better

[glass lodge]

[restive heart]

[tropic summit]

set these next

SP arena

• nayuta anisTT privT lib helmT
• moran noah biscuit swha ada
• jackal vestiTU xmaiden blanc laplaceT

would be nice to slot ada in the indom and laplaceT in the swha, so you make the moran team natural 2RL instead, but you'll need to test HP

run: jackal vestiTU xmaiden blanc ada, ada with vigor, in shooting range

1. enter battle
2. pause
3. check HP on ada and vestiTU, ada must've higher HP than vestiTU

if you match conditions above, change to

• nayuta anisTT privT lib helmT
• moran noah biscuit swha laplaceT
• jackal vestiTU xmaiden blanc ada

[tropic summit]

there's little you can learn here because both teams are rookie tier (stacked), you won't realistically find these teams to deal with on SP arena and if you do that team is probably the one you'll be skipping

regardless what mattered here is that both teams were essentially running the same logic but with an important different bit:

• the below team had anti nuke (buys time for the whole team) also neonOS didn't get her passive popped up until bursting, which prevents being stunned, that means they had anti nuke + DPS going
• the above team relied on indomming a unit, indomming privT is pretty bad, her DPS is mostly garbo, she wants to 1hitko

inevitably the trade went better for below team, cuz indom target was bad on top team (if it was a vesti or swha, bot team was gonna get wiped once shield ran out)

[tropic summit]

2RL nayuta
2RL indom (or 2RL with feed)
2RL (or 2.2RL via swha)

Are one of the most stable defenses around atm, glad it works against your bracket

[tidal lichen]

[tropic summit]

SP arena

• nayuta anisTT helmT s.anis drakeT
• moran noah biscuit swha ada
• jackal siren cindy mmast vestiTU

Notes

• a bit starving on burst gen and flexible units, get these built up:
  trina, rumani

• utilities are a bit on low invest
  noah, biscuit, blanc

• some pvp cores are low invest
  vestiTU, privT, laplaceT

fix the above and get your teams upgraded again

[ocean vale]

Alright, thanks and I'll give it a try soon

[tropic summit]

start with this

• requirement clear 2 out of 3
• non deficit penalty assumed
• enemy is near same synchro and not a whale (no core advantage)

[drifting spear]

@tropic summit I screenshotted this so that I don't lose it. At work now, but I'll test this as soon as I get home

[glass lodge]

Can some1 help me build def team pls
https://www.blablalink.com/shiftyspad/home?uid=MjkwODAtMTkzODcxMDUxODY4MTMxNTAyMQ%3D%3D&openid=MjkwODAtMTkzODcxMDUxODY4MTMxNTAyMQ%3D%3D

[tropic summit]

SP arena

• nayuta anisTT privT s.anis helmT
• moran noah biscuit swha emilia
• jackal scarlet vestiTU blanc laplaceT

[glass lodge]

No.2 team cp is kinda low

[tropic summit]

because you need to build up noah and biscuit

emilia is also a bit short compared to laplace

change it to moran lib bsoda swha noah temporarely

[glass lodge]

Cp high now, hope it work

[river dune]

@tropic summit

[tropic summit]

hmm might work but it would be best slotting RH, if they reach noise B1 on your B3 it may not be lethal

give it a shot either way

[river dune]

Ok

[tropic summit]

fix position btw you running re-enter like that

scar alice trina jackal anisTT

[river dune]

Ok will do

[versed mesa]

One of the teams you gave me that I haven't put into practice yet is re-enter tho the anisTT vestiTU rapunzel drakeT blanc. Is the intention with that to survive and delay the blanc indom to a possible indom counter?

[tropic summit]

that's intended, what loreson needs is a fast instant nuke without delay

whole different scenarios

[versed mesa]

Yeah, just looking over the speeds with nikke.top. I will switch to those teams next Sp probably, no matter how the current one ends up

[tropic summit]

and yes it mitigates mirror indoms but the main point is reaching blanc B2 when opponent is on B3

[tropic summit]

1. hit opponent near season reset
2. run your other teams
3. switch to that team if you lose twice on def, so opponent is forced to gem to hit new def

[versed mesa]

The 741 jump was much bigger than I was expecting though, not sure if the guy can actually win, one of his defense teams atleast ended up in deficit after my jump

[versed mesa]

Actually is Rapu the second B1, so even if Vesti dies early, Rapu hits the ress and means blanc will indom her?

[tropic summit]

that team has several things that can go different based on what the opponent does
the main point was to retain an indom anisTT or vestiTU regardless if he wants to pressure p1 or wants to kill vestiTU, because rapunzel will revive highest atk% and if he kills both vestiTU is picked due to that

if anisTT is low HP and vestiTU isn't killed, anisTT gets indommed instead, which then requires opponent to run a moran stall

one way or another that team is trying to force an indom, a stall or expensive fast teams

the benefit of that team is that it doesn't require jackal or biscuit, which makes your other 2 teams more threatening than other standard indoms would

[versed mesa]

Damn, that is why you the goat and I am smol brain

[tropic summit]

no it just trying to play on opponent brain

defense is a lost battle, the best you can do is run weird af shiet that can confuse people

[versed mesa]

Same difference

One day I will be able to cook defenses like that without help

https://tenor.com/view/aragorn-but-notthis-day-lotr-gif-14120761

[stone heart]

how about weird re entry of
TTanis noise SWHA mana noah ?
that should seperate helm t for other team healing but i guess its too slow though

[tropic summit]

speed wise is OK

running re-enter noah although makes your noah siren weak, unless you're on noise taunt priority, then you're fine

at that point you've although a worse weakness, rosanna will kill both attackers because you're too slow to hit noise B1 in time

also rosanna denies iron from mana, which means no revive on your side

overall i think it's a team that can work, it's not overly expensive and keeps biscuit and jackal free

[stone heart]

yeah its probably can confuse lower lvl pvp player, still trying to seperate biscuit if possible 😄 mumble2

[tropic summit]

ye i agree, it's worth running it until they figure it out

not bad cook overall

[versed mesa]

https://tenor.com/view/knuckles-excellent-argument-approved-gif-13890670050399290487

[covert lintel]

Did you reach 10m+ cp?

[versed mesa]

Nah, 9.55m on my current SP line up total

Attack teams went to 9.66

They were 9.1m and 9.2 or so at 740

[arctic jewel]

man, imagine if Rosanna gets a treasure item

[gaunt pulsar]

you want even more people in your SPA to run her?

[arctic jewel]

https://tenor.com/view/hotel-mario-mario-cdi-no-refusal-gif-3231775313720996150

the dispel part is so annoying

[glad meteor]

@tropic summit @shell hazel

[shell hazel]

just kill it

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/946719897390563328/1496964367462301756/mint__dance__nobg_00009.webp

[glad meteor]

https://tenor.com/view/hulk-angry-furious-fuming-mad-gif-17841869167183441241

[shell hazel]

I'm in waiting room for a bit

close to being able to 581 but next boss even to try I'll wait for 601

[glad meteor]

[versed mesa]

Not that hard, now was it?

[glad meteor]

No it wasnt

[shell hazel]

https://tenor.com/view/aragorn-but-notthis-day-lotr-gif-14120761

[swift mango]

Just in range for getting scarlet'ed. Well, I you had 15% CS overall and opponent has none, maybe Noah could block scarlet.

[shell hazel]

grats! I am waiting there also but you +40 sync on me

[glad meteor]

https://tenor.com/view/king-fierce-stand-stop-gif-8972231694001445015

[shell hazel]

time to whale desu

[swift mango]

Anyone know why Eve suddenly got a rerun?

[shell hazel]

SU: we got skins to sell innit

[glad meteor]

Free money

[tropic summit]

Ez money

[tropic summit]

where's your takina and chisato

also you don't need swha, slap ultra hyperbufferoni RRH with mmast/privT

[tropic summit]

ended up clearing it with SWHA i see

[shell hazel]

shame they didn't re-run the actual colab event as well, no shop again etc :9

[glad meteor]

Yea I do

[shell hazel]

just all the shit that gets SU money lol

[glad meteor]

https://tenor.com/view/spank-slap-butt-anime-gif-17784858

[glad meteor]

Harder tbh

[tropic summit]

https://klipy.com/gifs/baka-anime-24--k01KRXJ3JRDXMKWY6PKZCTM5MC2

[glad meteor]

[tropic summit]

now come join me in the waiting room for Ego

unless your neonOS is ultra stonks, then maybe you could clear

[glad meteor]

[glad meteor]

My neon is decent

[tropic summit]

go get em

[glad meteor]

Not 100 ele though. Only 85

[tropic summit]

"only"

[shell hazel]

[tropic summit]

@glad meteor did you get to step 20 on museum 2

[shell hazel]

can I step 40 season 1 / 20 season 2 at 581?

[tropic summit]

i'm trying with the anisTT broken op shiet, maybe i could

(s2)

i bet one team is probably doing step 20 on its own

[glad meteor]

For train and mod ye

[covert lintel]

That means you're weak

[glad meteor]

Prob not museum 2

[tropic summit]

good i've something to do then

@glad meteor what's a team with ein and takina

[versed mesa]

https://tenor.com/view/confused-no-nope-gif-5413974953753901704

[glad meteor]

Miranda but ada need higher atk than ein

[tropic summit]

how would it look like

[shell hazel]

I'll give it a go at 581 and see then

[glad meteor]

Miranda tak ein ada cdr

[tropic summit]

noice

[covert lintel]

741 should be 10m+ for pvper

[kind palm]

got some wins but not much

[versed mesa]

Well I'm not a pvper, I just do pvp

[tropic summit]

@glad meteor does soline count as CDR offburst?

[glad meteor]

Then put auto 3x and get 11m

[shell hazel]

she does

[glad meteor]

Yes. But dont auto burst.

[tropic summit]

time to die, leggo

bet i'm gonna need sustain anyway

[glad meteor]

[raven plover]

12/12 lines?

[versed mesa]

https://tenor.com/view/lebowskiopinion-my-opinion-gif-12810347

[covert lintel]

No, that plan still on hold because of anis and neon

[raven plover]

so 11m wtf

[covert lintel]

I'm weak
739 still 8.66

[versed mesa]

You should be 9m+

I am so tempted to go see if someone managed to bump me even further down than C4 I would assume not since I am currently the highest cp and even the guy who hit me down wasn't ever challenged by anyone from what I could see.

[tropic summit]

@shell hazel @glad meteor see you on later synchro or when neonOS is built

[versed mesa]

Trying to detox myself from the ladder anxiety though, especially since my 3k gems are already on lockdown

[tropic summit]

my pve is pepega, back to shooting range main

[versed mesa]

I'll turn my Union into shooting range ranking focus only. I win by default

[shell hazel]

[covert lintel]

https://tenor.com/view/youre-weak-weak-man-up-wimp-wus-gif-13750000

[tropic summit]

https://klipy.com/gifs/trash-disappointed-4--k01KRXKWCP1D1TQYC6J8YRVZ1JZ

[versed mesa]

https://tenor.com/view/dragon-ball-z-dbz-goku-majin-buu-attack-gif-4887294

No booli Rail

[tropic summit]

he's not wrong tho

[mystic pollen]

Guys, I'm stuck in PvP right now. Can some one help me to build 1vs1 and 3vs3 team?

My current line up is Nayuta S Anis Neon Black Swain and SR Anis

But I don't quite sure if it good or not

[tropic summit]

post your box with units ordered by strength, no units selected, no other filters

[tropic summit]

ok this works, taking a look

[versed mesa]

Damn, not even past 2 hundo and such a good roster, atleast for pve No Noah, or Biscuit though is rough

[tropic summit]

Rookie

• nayuta anisTT NeonOS drake Helm

SP arena

• nayuta anisTT SBS drake mmast
• neonOS crown helm anisOG bsoda
• alice adeB liter naga jackal

Notes

• wishlist/build the following
  vestiTU, SWHA, liberalio, noah, biscuit, rumani, trina, centi
• aim for these treasures asap, in this order
  helmT, moranT, privT, laplaceT

get your teams upgraded gradually once you find/build the above

[mystic pollen]

Thank you so much, btw, how can I get treasure for nikke? Favorite SR Lv15 then feed them their specific favorite item?

[tropic summit]

need 3 total copies (1 to unlock, 2 dupes) then SR15 and max affection

[mystic pollen]

So I should aim for the SR15 atm. Thank you, if I know this sooner, I will give helm Alice the Sniper SR item

Too greedy for a single Pull ticket

[tropic summit]

ask in #questions or #team-building what your main aim should be on the units you currently have, early synchro is all about progression and you should aim to max out your campaign oriented best units, pvp can wait

[covert lintel]

@dense roost not trying to climb D1?
R15 is winnable for you

[quaint granite]

I like to ask Rail questions

[dense roost]

Should be, theres a few dudes perma online autohitting basically

[turbid oyster]

OMG, etf happened to pvp

why do I suddenly started losing to opponent with 200k deficiet

[covert lintel]

anis effect

[turbid oyster]

man, do i really need to use rock on these pvp unit to actually make them win ?

[quaint granite]

How low is their sync

[covert lintel]

Does that mean Diamond rank is more sweaty than challenger rank?

[dense roost]

641 life is rough

[turbid oyster]

didn't check

i just saw that they have 1mill power while i have 1.2 mill

and somehow i lost

[quaint granite]

Anis power

[tropic summit]

what do your 3 teams look like

[swift mango]

Do we have stella blade event rerun? If we don't currently have it, his account is super bricked.

[raven plover]

all 12/12 except neon and thanos?

[versed mesa]

He does need this

https://tenor.com/view/nikke-goddes-of-victory-nikke-stellar-blade-eve-gif-10542806863475849254

[swift mango]

Hey guys, are we having stella blade even rerun so we could get the SR welfare unit, or just the banner?

[placid bloom]

we have SB rerun so you can play the minigame

[versed mesa]

If you unlock the archives

[placid bloom]

enjoy fighting the boss while moving like a crab

[versed mesa]

The event is there and atleast it seems like you can get the SR

[swift mango]

oh fr? then maybe he isn't level bricked

[covert lintel]

No, neon anis are 12/12 already
I just want a higher ed

[raven plover]

all 12/12 already wtf

[covert lintel]

[raven plover]

yea I mean that 8.6m is full of 12/12 units

[raven plover]

and he got black cs

https://tenor.com/view/yugioh-punch-ground-punching-ground-it-shouldve-been-me-it-shouldve-been-me-not-him-gif-18069003738146878767

[covert lintel]

I intend to reroll that cs to ed cause it's wasted if only 1 cs

[raven plover]

give it to me

[covert lintel]

Are you trying to 21 anis?

[raven plover]

https://tenor.com/view/thegoon-bigoldgoon-ted-lasso-yes-yes-yes-yes-gif-701975896996955852

[shell hazel]

as dumb as it sounds btw you may want to remove the rank from your union recruit post before the mods do it

we been told we're not allowed to include it

from the title sorry

[raven plover]

wait really

[shell hazel]

yep

I said it was stupid to enforce it but if you scroll the list you'll see no one has it

[raven plover]

Ive been doing it since last year thank you time to edit it

[shell hazel]

yeah I don't really get why btw - apparently it does something if included but I really have no idea what lol

alice in chains enforced it

[raven plover]

[shell hazel]

we'd include the rank if we could - it differentiates the list better

some people want casual, some people just want day 1/3%, some want comp

I also made a feedback item to suggest a "looking-for-union" type page where people can post what they want to join - didn't really get anywhere but the current method of recruiting is just painful

[raven plover]

lemme vote that up

[shell hazel]

I can maybe find it

[raven plover]

found it

[tropic summit]

ofc

[shell hazel]

https://discord.com/channels/946719263866101821/1489916413190733965 I bumped it too

[tropic summit]

indeed, if only there was a method to easily tell this information...

[shell hazel]

well they could also do with splitting the union section by region

[tropic summit]

upvoted for what is worth

[shell hazel]

we're competing with SEA and such for posts

and people from SEA have to trawl through 50 NA and global unions to find SEA ones

[shell hazel]

i'll be honest - the thing I saw just looked like a device/display issue 😄

[ionic rose]

Yeah i feel having that option is definitely helpful, btw is there any difference in rewards between 3% and top 100?

[shell hazel]

hmm some, not much though tbh

we're pushing top 100 a bit but it's mainly because we can

the actual rewards for doing it are minimal

[ionic rose]

I see

[cedar sorrel]

Yeah mostly for thr achievement and bragging rights

[shell hazel]

also when you maxed out some cubes feels pointless but I like to co-ordinate a bit with the union to get a better score anyway

we went from 97th last time to 86th this time which we got by recruiting railtracer

[minor egret]

a bit more chips but chips lol

[ionic rose]

Holy rail is that op?

[raven plover]

rail carry

[shell hazel]

getting into top 70~ looks harder - gotta beat phase 2

[minor egret]

you do for competing with other unions on the leaderboard

[shell hazel]

yeah is mostly a bit of fun

[minor egret]

0-3% bracket is the crazy one, the total damage from a 3% and a close to 0% is a huge gap

[shell hazel]

he says he not but we all know he is

look at Rail top 6! I'm slackin at 10th

[tropic summit]

bit of exageration, everyone did their job

[ionic rose]

Rail practices Humility

[shell hazel]

yeah I'm kidding, we all did good 🙂

[quick lake]

very pog

[tropic summit]

[shell hazel]

i'm tracking top 3% unions

I can't see damage but I can see rank

rank for S40 looks like I'll get after it finalises fully

[quick lake]

apparently if u are good enough, u can hack blabla to stalk other unions and their dmg all the way down to individual dmg

[ionic rose]

Zant is huge whale damn, is he on Leviathan/Kaiju level?

[shell hazel]

they fixed that

[quick lake]

they did?

[minor egret]

no they didn't

[shell hazel]

yep

oh? I could before...

[tropic summit]

he's chutluu tier

[minor egret]

we have access to everything

[quick lake]

look at this whale spilling the tea

[shell hazel]

can I dm you about it? I had a method that worked, it got yeeted

[river dune]

Imagine that is slacking

[tropic summit]

yes @shell hazel big slacker, if only he 💳 as much as zant he'd be 2nd

[minor egret]

it's not me doing it so I don't really know the process behind it

[quick lake]

which union u in

[ionic rose]

So Kaiju tier huh, Cash Shop all sold out

[shell hazel]

I just small dolphin

[ionic rose]

Then i guess im a dolphin too

[shell hazel]

[river dune]

I'm sure even he won't be able to spend as much as Manly Senpai

[shell hazel]

someone in your union?

[tropic summit]

some people are just built different

[quick lake]

i know top unions are spying

waiting to poach /jk

[minor egret]

Some global top 30-40 union but we never recruited globally so we just do our best

[river dune]

Really wish Manly Senpai would communicate with us but we probably plebs to someone like him

[minor egret]

yeah

[ionic rose]

Bro as long as the top unions have those level 1000+ nobody poaching from them

[tropic summit]

keripo sync tier

[minor egret]

the comps are not really a secret or anything

[quick lake]

Just be casual and hit UR

[shell hazel]

no but previously I could see actual union raid data from other unions 😄

[ionic rose]

My max Sync is 818 rn I cant even hit 1000 even if i wanted to😭

[shell hazel]

i'll ask claude to check again

[minor egret]

still can, that's how I know there was a bunch of Mint used with Zwei for Heavy Metal

I know they fixed something but not everything

[shell hazel]

I can at least see top level info for example I can tell in S39 daybreak was 108th

not something the general in-game UI bothers to show

[quick lake]

Enikk use to show alot more data. But probably hid it

[minor egret]

Semi-casual UR is more fun to me, you still try your best but not too hard

[shell hazel]

we're hoping to top 50 ish

is the plan - I don't think I want to get into top 10 business

top 50 feels doable without everyone hyper-whaling

[candid cradle]

Mhh I'm trying to copy the teams in the archetypes list but there's a little problem 🥲 when I have to choose the 3rd archetypes team I can't find one that has unique units. "Unique" I mean a unit that is not used in the first 2 teams
How can I replace non-unique units?

[quick lake]

top 10 either sweat or whales

[covert lintel]

Come to my union if you're in sea

[shell hazel]

grim is in global with me I think

[ionic rose]

Is this blablalink?

[shell hazel]

it's from blabla yes

[ionic rose]

[hollow lagoon]

i will defeat you one day

[shell hazel]

[ionic rose]

Wait when did u lose to me???

[shell hazel]

in the last CA

[hollow lagoon]

[shell hazel]

we all did lol

[hollow lagoon]

sign

[ionic rose]

Bro im lv 644 and my account start with 109...

U sure ur not gonna hit ur level cap?

[tropic summit]

give me the 3 teams you going for, i'll give you flexible units for those you missing

[hollow lagoon]

rare sighting of @tropic summit

[shell hazel]

please can you ask them to check it still works? I'm curious how they do it if it does...

[tropic summit]

https://klipy.com/gifs/waltergotme--k01KRXWG265R3BFGT7TATRPWC26

[hollow lagoon]

i like that chibi style the most

its liek inbetween the first genoldies and current gen

[shell hazel]

=== GetUnionRaidDataOfGuildSeason ===
{"code":1303028,"code_type":2,"msg":"user not in guild","data":null,"seq":"a23341db-6890-4e1d-9ad0-ecc33763b098"}
=== GetUnionRaidLevelDataOfGuildSeason ===

this used to work - now it doesn't for me

[ionic rose]

U need to Search for her everyday. Like I can find Anne everyday

[minor egret]

It's a backend they didn't fix (yet) that's all I know

[quick lake]

Time to ask Claude “Hack blabla, make no mistakes”

[hollow lagoon]

oh the delta that only i apperciate

[shell hazel]

last season was possible to execute against a diff union this season nop

[candid cradle]

I thought I could replicate these 2 teams, even if I'm not sure because Ada is limited so she doesn't have limit breaks and her cp are lower and vesti TU is also limitbreakless because I'm unlucky I guess
About the 3rd team I don't know actually because of the repetition of certain unit

[tropic summit]

looks like you can slot a nayuta anisTT team

[river dune]

Your not the only one , I know one person from bunkerchat who appreciates her very much

[candid cradle]

No because TT anis is in the first team

[hollow lagoon]

i use her for solo raid, we are not the same

[tropic summit]

she's not needed in the vestiTU team

[river dune]

Guys which cubes to max?

[candid cradle]

How can I replace her then?

[river dune]

He probably does as well

[tropic summit]

• moran noah biscuit swha bsoda/drakeT/noir/emilia/laplaceT
• jackal vestiTU ada blanc laplaceT/emilia/bsoda/drakeT/noir
• nayuta anisTT helmT bsoda/drakeT/noir liberalio

[shell hazel]

is Nihilister the right answer?

https://tenor.com/view/nihilister-nikke-doro-dragon-girl-gif-12368996650268632524

[river dune]

LoL

[hollow lagoon]

the fishing cube

[shell hazel]

for pve - resi / bastion / destruction

for pvp - tempura / quantum 7 / vigor 7

[covert lintel]

After resilience, dmg to part cube

[hollow lagoon]

for pve u want tempering destruction resilliance

[candid cradle]

In the first team the archetype suggests red hood. Is she not good anymore?

[shell hazel]

for pve? tempering seems situational?

[hollow lagoon]

cuz if u dont have tempering, when u do mother whale solo raid hall, ur damage goes too highe and u die to gurantee hit lazer shower

[tropic summit]

depends on what you've, you may want to prefer speed over buffing or double rotation

[hollow lagoon]

if my core 5 isabel can die to lazer shower, you can die toooooooo

[tropic summit]

you also want to keep helmT open to combo with nayuta and anisTT

[candid cradle]

Eh?

[covert lintel]

In the past tempering is for pvp only but now even pve needs it

[tropic summit]

you understand what speed is ye?

defense teams are a mix of threat, speed and CP

[shell hazel]

tempura cube did let my rapi survive behe rock and that was useful

[candid cradle]

You mean how fast you regen burst energy?

[tropic summit]

yes, most matchups are over the moment you burst before the enemy does

if your team is too slow, that team may be running SSS tier units, but it will likely fail

[candid cradle]

Ah yes

I think I know 😂

[tropic summit]

example if you let your team be slower than 2RL, even if you've bay, a unit that'd generally counter scarlet, this is what happens

this tool can help you understand burst threshold of your teams: https://nikke-deck.com/en/deck

[candid cradle]

I don't think I'll understand

Anyway I don't know what 2rl means

[tropic summit]

the video above shows you a 2RL instant nuke team against a 3RL anti nuke

2RL is faster than 3RL, meaning scarlet B3 is before enemy even reached B1

[ionic rose]

2rl is just 2 rocket launcher shots, until burst. Basically 2 seconds

[tropic summit]

now look at what happens if you run a 2RL scarlet nuke into a 2RL noah (anti nuke)

since teams are on the same speed, the anti nuke is on time to deny scarlet nuke

that's how important is having a fast team, be it attack or defense

[hazy lantern]

Hello, sorry to bother you all again
Can I ask what "feed" means in the context of pvp? I keep seeing the term getting thrown around and can understand it's some form of extra burst gen but I never found a source that goes in depth into it

[ionic rose]

Yeah i had to read an essay on nikke.gg when i first started pvp..

[topaz sand]

lol i always thought 3 was faster haha ty for your wisdom

[ionic rose]

Rosanna gets the team a huge burst gen when a nikke on either team dies

[candid cradle]

Oooh 🤔

[candid cradle]

Yeah understood

[tropic summit]

we refer to feed whenever there's jackal teams or scarlet teams
feed as in "bullet feed", is a unique mechanic that activates with jackal and jackal linked units, the more bullets you take, the more burst gen you gain out of it
scarlet can also get "feed" due to her s2, 30% counter to any received dmg.
combine both, and you can get massive feed from weapon classes that are not RL or SR

for example team above feeds 39% burst gen to enemy jackal teams, with a total of 113-115 bullets, shot at 2RL timeframe

most of those are coming from privaty nayuta and noir, SMG, AR and SG weapon types

[candid cradle]

I tried to understand but gave up in the end

[candid cradle]

So what should I do with my teams?

[hazy lantern]

Ohhh I see, thank you for dumbing it down for me

[tropic summit]

the units you see divided by / are all flexible units (slot any of them if you don't have the ones listed in the archetypes)

e.g:

• moran noah biscuit swha laplaceT
• jackal vestiTU ada blanc drakeT
• nayuta anisTT helmT bsoda liberalio

[hazy lantern]

Watching pvp talk always feels like reading another language

[obsidian prairie]

I already made changes to this in terms of order but just wondering if Bay would be an upgrade to any of the units here? Looking for the next unit to treasure and saw that she seems to be quite good in PVP and I also have her core +3

[ionic rose]

Yeah sry when u said feed i thought of sac

[hazy lantern]

No no don't worry

It's my fault for being unclear

[candid cradle]

What does "slot any of team" mean?

[tropic summit]

T2 and T3 look like temporary teams, you'll want to run an indom and an anisTT team down the line

[tropic summit]

slot any of them*, looks like a typo

edited it

[candid cradle]

Sorry I didn't understand it was a typo ahahha I thought it was some strange way of talking about PvP 🤣

I was thinking like this 🤣

[candid cradle]

What about this?

Moran noah biscuits swha rh
Jackal vestiTU Ada blanc Emilia
Nayuta anisTT helmT drakeT liberalio

Also I wanted to understand if you choose Moran team as the first one for a particular reason (I thought jackal team would be the first). If yes, what's the reason?

[versed mesa]

Does anyone know an SBS team that could still work in the year of our lord 2026? She has so much CP that it would be a nice pad somewhere

[ionic rose]

Put her in indom team, sbs need time to do damage

[ionic rose]

Team 1 a bit too loaded, invul between noah and biscuit overlap, put biscuit in team 3 and helm in team 1 and in team 3 instead of drake and lib put SAnis and Anis so you have triple Anis for thr T-Anis team

[candid cradle]

I tried to blend your suggestions with the archetypes
I don't know if I should use rh (as the archetype says) or noir (as you suggested) in the first team. But I'm kinda sure I can't use units as Bsoda and LaplaceT right now because they have less upgrades than rh and noir

[candid cradle]

I'm more confused than ever

Seems like you two are suggesting different things

[ionic rose]

I mean either teams are fine theres like so many comps u can use, my comps are based more around champion arena meta

[ionic rose]

For example here, in team 1 Redhood's purpose is for a second burst. Moran, noah and helm in the same team will provide u so much sustain that ur team will survive for a long time, but Moran's burst is on a 40 second cooldown in pvp so u add in redhood who can complete the second burst rotation all by herself

Like instead of asking which specific units to put in like an instruction manual, understand the purpose each unit serves in a team and what the team actually do. Basically is your team trying to burst down the enemy in 2 seconds or is ur team trying to outlast the opponent team

[obsidian prairie]

Are these anything? I tried to follow the pinned teams but this is the best I could come up with with my box

[candid cradle]

I just want 3 decent teams

[ionic rose]

Then the ones Rail gave u are good

[candid cradle]

I'm interested only In sp arena

[ionic rose]

Swap redhood and Besti around and its good to go

[obsidian prairie]

Besti?

[ionic rose]

TVesti

[candid cradle]

Are the teams I wrote based on his suggestions good?

[versed mesa]

https://tenor.com/view/nikke-vesti-vesti-tactical-upgrade-squad-absolute-vesti-nikke-gif-198040097135816201

[obsidian prairie]

Would DrakeT work in that team over LaplaceT?

[ionic rose]

I say swap helm and biscuit and ur good to go

[candid cradle]

Ok thanks

[candid cradle]

Oh should I change Nikke positions in the team or the team position itself?

[ionic rose]

Keep laplace, drake is shotgun so she gonna atk P5 when defending, besti laplace and liberalio has high auto atk dmg and can nuke P1 before burst if they focus fire

[tropic summit]

• for T2, you need to check who's jackal linked, run that team in shooting range:

1. enter battle
2. pause
3. click on ada and emilia, check if they've "jumping jackal", then confirm HP of the linked unit and vestiTU HP, you want linked unit to have more HP than vestiTU

• defense team orders do nothing meaningful, opponent will decide what they face to begin with

[ionic rose]

You can put TTAnis in P1 now that she got biscuit invul, otherwise no need to change position

[tropic summit]

T1 is ok but stacked, move vestiTU away and put a flex instead
T2 weird frankenstein team, move RH away from here... also nayuta and jackal like that don't really go along
T3 scrap this too slow

work on T2 and T3

[tropic summit]

don't bother using SBS in 2026, you can deny her too easily with any taunter + biscuit

she's strictly for attack teams

[versed mesa]

You can try switching team orders before reset if worried about a snipe. It works sometimes...

[versed mesa]

https://tenor.com/view/just-asking-sylvester-stallone-the-family-stallone-i-just-want-to-make-sure-just-wanted-to-know-gif-13329215431294993612

[ocean vale]

Well, I did it. 😅

[versed mesa]

Oof

[ionic rose]

U just gotta Believe. And SBS will Respond

[versed mesa]

I use her in one of my rookie attack teams, been working fine, was just wondering if there was some weird defense cooks

[versed mesa]

https://tenor.com/view/knuckles-excellent-argument-approved-gif-13890670050399290487

[ionic rose]

[tropic summit]

those are defense teams, when you attack you need to play rock paper scissor and play on counters

can't run blind pick teams

[ocean vale]

I get it now. Thanks again😅

[tropic summit]

against that enemy team you run this

• noise anisTT cindy helmt noah
• blanc swha rh biscuit jackal

cubes:

noise vigor
anisTT quantum
cindy any
helmT any
noah tempering

blanc vigor
swha tempering
rh vigor
biscuit vigor
jackal quantum

your teams are on the left, enemy teams on the right

[ocean vale]

I'm too short for upgrading to blanc, sadly... It'll be take a while. I'll give it a try for that and focusing for her upgrades. Thank you so much again.

[tropic summit]

no worries you welcome, you need blanc for indom teams so do get her built up asap

[gritty ridge]

Hello mr tracer

[tropic summit]

Hello sm0l boi

[glad meteor]

no build isabel. No step 20

[tropic summit]

cuz isabel haxxx

[glad meteor]

[glad meteor]

Tall short yaoi

[hidden mortar]

@minor egret he's at it again, hit me a couple hours ago but I just saw it. Dunno how long ago he hit you

[tropic summit]

[hollow lagoon]

saved by tempering

[tropic summit]

this but a scratch

saved by cores

[hollow lagoon]

[hollow lagoon]

Nah arcana waifu is stonk she don’t need tempering

Isabel tho

Attacker low hp

[versed mesa]

I'm ripping the bandaid. Logging in to check damage in SP

Need to do Rookie attacks too

[glass lodge]

What is ur sync, i died when it laser me

[minor egret]

He spent 3 hits on me, I took it back then I just saw he took it again. Just lost to rng I think lol

[hidden mortar]

end of season tantrum?

[minor egret]

Looks like it

He actually changed his def teams

[hidden mortar]

send me a pic of his teams, I'll build an attack and hit him asap so he can't hit you back without spending more lol

[minor egret]

Sure

[hidden mortar]

oh

yea i already beat these, he made that last night

[minor egret]

Earlier team 2 and 3 won but Moran lost this time. From what I'm seeing my Ada got indom grrr

[shell hazel]

boolying in pvp-arena

[minor egret]

This one deserve it x100

[tropic summit]

it's a gemmeroni, don't pity him

[shell hazel]

https://tenor.com/view/taken-set-of-skills-particular-gif-24468765

[hidden mortar]

most likely cuz she isnt linked, switch her with liberalio and give her a vigor cube. Should keep her out of splash damage zone and buff her hp

[hollow lagoon]

681

[tropic summit]

don't you dare getting back C1, you'd play his game

[versed mesa]

https://tenor.com/view/لييوو-gif-16809754927858649993

[tropic summit]

https://klipy.com/gifs/doakes-im-watching-you--k01KRY27Z1HDA40259XAPZF07VB

[minor egret]

That's what I was thinking but my vigor cube is trash, level 6 I think

[hidden mortar]

thats fine

[versed mesa]

https://tenor.com/view/how-do-you-know-that-mike-mckenna-the-union-where-did-you-get-that-information-where'd-you-hear-that-gif-9024571638303363329

[tropic summit]

https://klipy.com/gifs/i-know-everything-kanan-gill-2--k01KRY28P2HWWS4YKD8VK9B7N4Q

[hollow lagoon]

https://tenor.com/view/nikke-nikke-goddess-of-victory-nikke-3rd-anniversary-nikke-anniversary-nikke-anni-gif-18079251454112931467

[tropic summit]

https://klipy.com/gifs/my-deer-friend-nokotan-bully-maguire--k01KRY29HYG435KWPFXMBST5Z98

[hidden mortar]

the funny thing is he hit you back immediately, that means hes online lol. It is 1:32am on a tuesday for this guy

[minor egret]

oh it was my team 3 against his team 1 that got Ada indom but I guess I should send it on his team 3?

[versed mesa]

Okay Rail I will not hit him (but my rank number )

[tropic summit]

doesn't matter, you're secured C1-C3 reward

hit him back and he can snipe you on season reset instead

[hidden mortar]

no you might lose t3, he has slower indom

[versed mesa]

https://tenor.com/view/thats-true-kramer-seinfeld-gif-6564373007119861775

[minor egret]

gonna send on his team 1 then

[glass lodge]

So far, i deal same dmg as u but 641 cant survive that

[minor egret]

should work, earlier having ada getting indom sucked

[glass lodge]