pvp-arena

[tropic summit]

tempering on moran

[unique wagon]

Tempering = best survivability, esp with Doll
Vigor = weaker self survivability, slightly more heals, more dmg from Cindy/2B/XMaiden
Healing = no survivability, more heals

[viscid urchin]

Thank you both

[tropic summit]

@viscid urchin priority wise get tempering and quantum to 7, vigor can be naturally increased from your SR income

afterward you may want to push tempering together with resil

both will want to be 15 down the road

[viscid urchin]

Oh uhhhh my Quantum is 8 or 9 I think?

[unique wagon]

Then shudn't ArcanaFM be higher

[tropic summit]

tbf i'm thinking brid should also be a tad higher than B

although their burst gen and feeding is keeping them back

i guess it's easier to solve by just dropping mari to B, it can make sense

ye drop mari imo

[unique wagon]

I guess

Mari used to be higher I think because SR/RL doesnt make enemy skip targeting

didn't*

but relic of the past

Prydwen pvp guide needs to be updated tbh

[viscid urchin]

OK, I think I have my base set for now.

I used up my attacking attempts for today so I will have to try tomorrow to see if I can climb back up.

[tropic summit]

it would be a good start to add guides that teach people how to solve a team comp

that way you can teach the basic counters such as anti nuke, indom and stalls

[unique wagon]

Should I demote PoliTr too

[tropic summit]

probably could, she finds it hard to stay A

burst gen, feeding and overall mild buffer

[unique wagon]

it's A LOT OF WORK, and I'm alr doing all new char reviews. I asked Snake to update it but Idk if we will actually do it

[tropic summit]

the only good thing is that pseudo indom but there are so many options nowdays

[viscid urchin]

@tropic summit @shell hazel Thank you both so...so damn much.

I was in a VERY angry place today, but I didn't want to bring my sheer stomach churning wrath into something utterly repulsive here. Thank you for taking the time to explain and being patient with me, since I am generally abrasive and really, really not cut out for actual strategy.

I will come back later on, maybe after reset or something to see if I can climb back up to D2. I'd LIKE to go back to D1 or maybe actually hit challenger once in my life, but for that I will probably need more investment and OL lines up to date.

[tropic summit]

eh you think? on a very broad sense:

1. can i gap? GAP
2. can i outspeed? instant nuker
3. is the team the best of the 3? skip it
4. team has nuke oriented comp? anti nuke
5. team has indom? can it be stalled/outsustained? run noah archetype with lifesteal/sustain
6. team has indom and cannot be stalled/outsustained? run slower indom or remove attackers early (rosanna, absolute etc)
7. team has stall? can it be countered by indom? run indom
8. team has stall? does it mitigate or counter indom? run harder stall or slow cindy

then you expand on the points above and describe what each can generally entail, based on the comp on the other side

[cedar sorrel]

9. do you have noah

[tropic summit]

keep in mind ironically you don't need a noah for an anti nuke, but it depends on the nuker

[cedar sorrel]

Yeahh... I need to get noise OLd and bayT at some point as well so I can be proper noahless

[tropic summit]

ye that'd be an option you can walk

bay+biscuit almost reaches noah levels of protection

combine that with a moran, and you've a potential stall with good resistance on all fronts

[cedar sorrel]

For noahless would u get lapT or bayT first

[tropic summit]

are you starved for burst gen? else the latter

[cedar sorrel]

Hmm okay Ill get bay semi soon then

Getting mats for MirandaT rn

[tropic summit]

you welcome, once you find teams you can't beat it's probably because you need to tailor the attack to what you facing, when you do just ask for help here by posting the matchup

early diamond may not need tailoring, but challenger or high D1 may

[unique wagon]

It's not that I don't know how to write one.

It's just I don't have the willingness to write one.

[versed mesa]

I can practically smell Step 20 on Modernia in SR Museum Hall 2

[tropic summit]

sounds like a you problem then

i think an updated keripo-tierlist would do wonders tho, it's simple enough to write, it takes time tho

as not only it provides tierlist, but also unit specific info that tells ppl why and when they should use that unit, and with who/against who

[eager brook]

AI would do wonder at write ups if you feed it correct data in a semi formatted way

[lapis galleon]

What is Nuke and Indom

[severe tundra]

@tropic summit
Thoughts on me using NeoNeon, Blanc, Red Hood, Jackal, StarAnis?
The current matchup dies to a very low health anis.

[tropic summit]

typical outspeed nuke type

[tropic summit]

typical indom (SBS can be any B3 carry DPS)

[tropic summit]

hmm indom is the correct choice, albeit mitigated by privT, getting a vestiTU or SWHA going would wipe

you also need 1051k+CP tho, so keep it mind

[severe tundra]

Crap. The team i suggested is around 9800k

[tropic summit]

yeah that won't cut it

[viscid urchin]

Question: Where do I log out of blabla link/shifty pad?

[exotic crest]

may i ask for advice on building teams for attacking, Im nearly 1 year in so I dont have every meta arena units yet, got screwed over today and wasted both attacks

[tropic summit]

going incognito is an option if you only need to switch to a different account

else go to account settings

[viscid urchin]

No just to log out. I kinda have a phobia aboutleaving myself logged into accounts if I am not actively using them

Ahhh perfect. Thank you

[tropic summit]

yeah post the enemy matchup

[exotic crest]

i cant check now since im out of attempts

and tend not to use gems if i lose

[tropic summit]

that's a good mindset

[exotic crest]

thing is, i get nervous whenever i see noah comps or ones with fast burst gen

[tropic summit]

when you've the chance next time, before attacking, post the matchup in this chat, there's usually someone online who can help ya

[viscid urchin]

Gems are so damn rare you should NEVER use them for Arena attepts. It is generally a bad idea unless you are a whale

[exotic crest]

yea ik, i lost respect for another player once cause they used a gem just to win our rivalry

i can post what i have atm and get some pointers on how to improve?

this my team i use for both atk and def

[tropic summit]

hmm yeah i see there's a lot to work with here

[exotic crest]

best i got for now unfortunately

[tropic summit]

that's fine we can probably work out something, i see some good units among the teams, they're just in weird places and with poor synergy

post enemy matchup and ping me once you're able to see their teams

[exotic crest]

ill try tomorrow

i tend to hoard standard tickets so hopefully i can get more units by the end of the year

atm no noah, blanc, romani, or treasure for moran

[tropic summit]

you've jackal, nayuta, biscuit, vestiTU, moran, swha, helmt lib, cindy, anisTT, noise, RH

these are all important units at least

[delicate cove]

i actually nutted all over him, i waited till he used an attack on someone else before i went to hit him now bud gotta uses gems

[versed mesa]

You WHAT

Sir, this is a Wendy's

[delicate cove]

tho its kinda cancer cus he cp gaps me

or not cp gap per se but like he has 2 strong teams 1 weak, i have 1 strong 1 mid 1 weak

[exotic crest]

for future reference, what ol lines should i invest in for jackal, biscuit, noise

[tropic summit]

they don't need particular OLs, focus on your B3s first if anything

they'd all enjoy 11CS%+ but you can postpone that

[exotic crest]

most of my dps are built or half built, read guides a while ago to get ol for cp padding

[delicate cove]

is it possible to do any exchanges here 2 make 1 teams cp far more? (crown SW drake and neon have all my cp) the only think i possibbly see is swapping frost ticket for one of the other b3 like neon

cus the 83k team looses no matter what atm cus of cp gap

[tropic summit]

can you show the first 4 lines of your box?

[delicate cove]

thats everyone + the 2 teams up there

[severe tundra]

@tropic summit
First matchup wins
Second one is untested

[delicate cove]

the team with privaty as genuinly thanos atm

[tropic summit]

you fighting on deficit

what's their 3rd team looking like?

[severe tundra]

indom

Lol I don't have an answer for that

[tropic summit]

yeah this is pretty evil matchup

[delicate cove]

tho the 83k cp team up there cant win against anyone attacking me cus of deficit so it felt like a wast of neons CP, i generally use that team as a sac

[tropic summit]

yeah just stack that team of CP at this point and make it 4RL

keep neonOS in p1 as she can stall for 3s

[severe tundra]

Anyways, thoughts on untested team 2? I dont usually use Drake.

[delicate cove]

would label or frost ticket be getting the chopping block

[tropic summit]

there's only one problemo, you're still in deficit, so you gonna take massive dmg on link

i dunno if you can reach B2 with that team

can you get out of deficit with some other unit?

[tropic summit]

label can get temporary chopping block, soline keeps your team alive so she's probably best staying

[delicate cove]

mashlllah

tyty will see how it goes on defence

[severe tundra]

If I swap drake with Cindy its a slight increase. Also maybe star anis with someone else but shes boosting my gen

[tropic summit]

show me your top 4 lines

[eager fossil]

Guys, do you have any idea to defeat his first and second squad ?
I can easily handle his third, but the others are too strong for me

[severe tundra]

https://www.blablalink.com/shiftyspad?uid=MjkwODAtMTIxODg1NDA2MTIyMDUxOTk1NDk%3D

[tropic summit]

is scarlet available?

can punish T3 for being non 2RL and freeing up your noah to bring up a stall against T1

oh privaty actually will do

[eager fossil]

Yep, full of lv5 items, but i don't have enough blue stone to overload them

[tropic summit]

assemble these, you're on the left, and show CP then we can confirm

[tropic summit]

i see drake is already pretty high up in CP... your next candidates is swapping around biscuit or helmT

show me enemy 3rd team just for reference (w/e indom it is)

[severe tundra]

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/1177116972593463316/1505306334223142912/image.png?ex=6a0a2545&is=6a08d3c5&hm=df6bbf6d1ad215c4e3a474b1b1322bc8efbef4cc63bdc51e7ab37220c41cf55b&

[tropic summit]

do you remember if they running indom offburst vestiTU or indom SWHA?

because we can force either B3 with siren

[severe tundra]

No because I'm pretty sure I died before it mattered lol

[tropic summit]

got a video?

[severe tundra]

No sorry

[tropic summit]

with that info we can make a easy counter for T3

it's also easier on your CP

[tropic summit]

hmm ok gonna have to take a gamble then

we can siren SWHA and force a vestiTU B3, but it makes sense only if SWHA is their indom target

[severe tundra]

Thats why we're here.

[tropic summit]

if it's vestiTU to begin with, we make that team even stronger

[viscid urchin]

OK, what it presently looks like for DEF.

Even taking into account my 621 boost, this is roughly +200K I now have to my previous DEF.

[severe tundra]

Ok if its vesti, there's no counter?

[tropic summit]

show CP with these

[tropic summit]

ye looks good

now push up the ladder when you get the chance

[tropic summit]

there is but we gonna need moran/noise B1 instead

tbf SWHA on lifesteal might actually make it even without utility B1 but we wanna avoid having to face a B3 indom vestiTU

[unique wagon]

it's a lot of work for someone who's already covering a lot of work

I'd rather cover other games and diversify,
it's boring to keep working on just one game

[tropic summit]

unload some of that work onto someone else, surely you got 1 or 2 ~~slaves ~~juniors to delegate to

[unique wagon]

a char review already takes so long
and after Retro is gone, we literally have no one taking care of other guides

[tropic summit]

recruit someone from the street

teach them to play rock paper scissor and they're 1 step away from becoming pvp mains

[unique wagon]

I would've if that worked

The thing is it doesn't, repeatedly

[tropic summit]

all slackers

[unique wagon]

Man I work the most on char reviews

Because I want to set an example

But I guess it makes no difference

If I slack, the entire section crumbles immediately

[tropic summit]

you think? i seem to remember people enjoying your guides tho

not sure if it feels rewarding enough for you tho

[unique wagon]

I gave tasks to other staffs that ended up not getting realized even after 4 months

[tropic summit]

forget carrots, they need the whip everyday

[unique wagon]

I love helping people
I love writing to help people
It's just I can't do everything myself

And when others don't do them things...

[tropic summit]

that makes sense, the sheer quantity is too much for a single person

[unique wagon]

I have repeatedly forced myself to take over their work

We have someone who says hello only on Sundays during char release

And edit Story and Tribe Tower meta teams

You know I never read them

I don't know how big that is

[tropic summit]

tower is... so straightfoward i never even needed "help"

as for story... i think people can use that help on boss stages if anything

[unique wagon]

Last updated: 28/Sep/2025

[tropic summit]

oh no

[unique wagon]

I feel like I'm the only one working

[severe tundra]

956k vs 1221k
1056k vs 1162k

[tropic summit]

the issue is clear, what can you do to solve this tho? in a way that makes you feel better

[tropic summit]

slap RH instead of blanc and check CP again

we want 1032k+CP

[unique wagon]

nothing cus I don't want to hurt others

[tropic summit]

ye but that's wrong

you can't keep suffering the workload on your own

voice your issues and if noone listens take a more aggresive approach

[severe tundra]

973k
are you sure it's not easier to just try against their team 2? Their Noah and Privaty basically do the same thing.

[tropic summit]

no, T2 is harder to punish, their T1 has nothing

[severe tundra]

I mean T1 and T2. indom is hard to win against on deficit

[tidal lichen]

[tropic summit]

T2 is the team you need to skip

it's stacked

[unique wagon]

Yes, I stop taking over their work.

[tropic summit]

either way try running those @severe tundra

the 971kCP deficit should be fine as you've moran p1

[severe tundra]

with red hood?

[unique wagon]

You know what happened when I stop taking over their work?
A guide not finished in 4 months.

[tropic summit]

ye, regardless we need to solve T3

if T3 solves we can always tweak T1 further

[unique wagon]

I can bother them with a to-do list:

• Do X, Y, Z, A, B, C.

And things are going to get done 1x per 2 months.

[tropic summit]

hmm but then... isn't the problem the actual people on the other end? why are they so slow?

[unique wagon]

That's why I'd rather cover other games and watch as NIKKE crumbles itself when I stop taking too much initiative.

[tropic summit]

or rather, why are they allowed to be so slow

[unique wagon]

We are a chill team.

[tropic summit]

[unique wagon]

But the chillness is being taken too far, I think.

[tropic summit]

yeah i mean 4 months+

[unique wagon]

I forcefully took over.

Look, AI guides not updated.

When Retro were here, they'd be updated as soon as a new char was released.

Wishlist, Reroll guides too.

[tropic summit]

damn

retro left a bigger hole than i thought uh

it's probably time to start recruiting better lads

[unique wagon]

Very big.

That's why I wanted to get another staff.

Again, I'm chill. They're good people.

Just... seeing work not getting done kinda bothers me.

[tropic summit]

they can be good people, but what doesn't work doesn't work

also if they were real good people they'd notice things aren't working and you're overworking yourself

they probably aren't blind

[unique wagon]

I'll get a new staff then.

[tropic summit]

yeah, you need to fix this issue one way or another

[tidal lichen]

[unique wagon]

I'm a proactive/initiative person.

The others are passive.

Just no synergy.

Retro was proactive, so it balanced things out.

[tropic summit]

need a new retro or someone who gets close

[unique wagon]

Literally the first trait I'm looking for in a person rn is someone who's initiative and would fix things without being asked.

[tropic summit]

tbf someone who actually listens and keeps up with your deadlines would do already

[severe tundra]

[unique wagon]

That goes hand in hand with initiative.

[tropic summit]

so T1 and T3 both worked i take it @severe tundra

[severe tundra]

yes

[tropic summit]

i guess it was SWHA main B3 afterall

he has vigor on vestiTU

[unique wagon]

People who actually listen and do work are more likely to be initiative. I don't care whether they meet deadlines as long as they show actual commitment.

[tropic summit]

the 4D chess play was if he didn't have vigor on vestiTU and we'd get a main B3 indom vestiTU

[severe tundra]

winning the 50/50 in pvp > winning the 50/50 in gacha

[exotic crest]

damn u know ur stuff, congrats pocket

[unique wagon]

Think about it.

[severe tundra]

If by "ur stuff" you mean "to trust railtracer", then yes.

[delicate cove]

btw for this team, whats the reasoning for Solin going in over noise? i was checking out RLs and it says that noise would make it 2.5RL instead of 3RL at the cost of 1k cp,

[exotic crest]

thats what i meant yes

[tropic summit]

i think people who meet your expectations are already a good start
proactive and interested in what they doing is harder to come by

although they should naturally have at least a bit of interest

[delicate cove]

or does solin provide more surviabalilty

[unique wagon]

Initiative/commitment is more important than "actually doing work".
If you have the former, you have the latter. If you have the latter, it doesn't guarantee the former.
The former also is more likely to produce better quality because they take pride in their work.

[tropic summit]

you don't need neonOS in p1 if you've soline already

soline: keeps your whole team alive (at least until bursting)
neonOS: keeps p1 safe for 3s after being hit

you can split them

[unique wagon]

I already know someone who would fit.

The person, though, said he couldn't, 2 months ago.

[tropic summit]

need to convince them then

if they're given something that makes it worth it, maybe you could bring them over

[unique wagon]

I tried to convince them hours.

[tropic summit]

tough nut to crack

[unique wagon]

They said give 3 months. It's 2 months now.

[tropic summit]

hmmmmm

[unique wagon]

Also playing NTE for 9 hours 20 mins is crazy.

[tropic summit]

you can handhold your waifu in there, can you blame them

[unique wagon]

You could do that IRL.

[tidal lichen]

[tropic summit]

silly you, they don't have IRL surely

[unique wagon]

Virgin.

[tropic summit]

they prefer the name Wizard

[rich quail]

We want you

to trust the RailTracer

https://tenor.com/view/lappland-texas-lappland-the-decadenza-texas-the-omertosa-arknights-gif-4562791731483373518

[exotic crest]

arena works too different from normal for a simpleton like myself lol

[tidal lichen]

arena sucks.

[unique wagon]

You su-

[tidal lichen]

wtf

[tropic summit]

[unique wagon]

Rail's d

[exotic crest]

for the gems mate, anything for the gems

[unique wagon]

Nice plugin

[tropic summit]

it's called screenshot and rotate

ah btw @unique wagon the laplaceT takina tech actually worked

7 hours of BS RNG fishing tho
#pvp-arena message

retro would be proud

although i bet he'd tell me i should've done it 40 synchro earlier

[delicate cove]

its fun learning it tho icl

i wanna become a deficit demon

[tidal lichen]

learning is fun

but once you get to the ppl knowing what to do phase, it just becomes literally impossible to defend

[tropic summit]

you've already reached that phase uh

[tidal lichen]

[tropic summit]

how's your bracket treating you? any gemmeroni?

[tidal lichen]

im trying to keep top6.

[tropic summit]

good god

[tidal lichen]

top6 rn is uh

[tropic summit]

i guess top 2 or top 3 are whels

[tidal lichen]

1 leviathan, 1 whale, 1 double acc guy, 1 semi whale and a kricoun

leviathan is zant btw

@hollow lagoon HELLO

[tropic summit]

oh right you're in his bracket

[tidal lichen]

double acc guy gems

on both accs so i just dont bother attacking him

[tropic summit]

lmao that's so cheap

2 accounts and gemming is wild

i can see why you're stuck at top6 then

maybe keep bullying the whel and semi whel, you could earn some points to get close to top4

[tidal lichen]

[delicate cove]

theres litearlly only 2 people that know what to do in my bracket so i got it ezmode for now + its newish acounts

[tropic summit]

oof need 1109k+

[tidal lichen]

sync somewhat closer on this one but dude has infinite dupes

[tropic summit]

the MF is even running a moran bay comp

[unique wagon]

if u break all parts boss wont go immune

[umbral crown]

libe: ez

[tidal lichen]

[tropic summit]

you mean the second part ye? that needed to be done because i'd be short of the rotation to hit crown B2 to save cover

so i had to stall by leaving some pieces intact

the good thing of running takina/lappy is that you get so much dmg on destroying parts that it allows stalling

[unique wagon]

true

[tropic summit]

he was watching all this time perhaps

[unique wagon]

it dealt 1500 bars insane

[tropic summit]

costs a noah for this one and must not be in defict... sucks

[tidal lichen]

also hes 4th so kinda no point bothering either

[tropic summit]

yeah

[tidal lichen]

3 belongs to the double acc guy

[tropic summit]

you'd need to hit at least ch3

kinda screwed i see

[unique wagon]

Guys is dc ok

[tropic summit]

stay strong and hope reshuffle does its thing @tidal lichen

[tidal lichen]

can i get to ziz already

i want to invest in eunhwa.

[tropic summit]

you going the absolute route?

[delicate cove]

o wait reshuffle can take you out of active brackets?

[tidal lichen]

eunhwa is enough

[tropic summit]

oh really

[tidal lichen]

i except anis eunhwa takina to go beyond 36-37% deficit

[tropic summit]

oh you've takina in the equation gotcha

that might do

[tidal lichen]

anis also increases eunhwas explosion dmg

[tropic summit]

would be a pretty interesting clear

[unique wagon]

My mobile internet is bad

[tidal lichen]

soon ™

[unique wagon]

Why am I lagging

[tropic summit]

https://klipy.com/gifs/anime-pat-anime--k01KRSWPJ9RJW8J8570ZXSKT8D4

[unique wagon]

Its back

[quaint granite]

I tried Anis Star for ABSOLUTE Squad and it didn't end well

in CA that is

[ionic rose]

apparently for Absolute Vesti u need OL lines of 4xatk, 4xcs AND 4xCrit Rate

500 rocks i say

[quaint granite]

Crazy investment, totally not worth it unless SUPER EXTREMELY Lucky af

[ionic rose]

i mean the strategy is to get the 3rd line first, lock it, roll for second and then lock both roll for first. I would say on average doable within 400 rocks for all 4 equipments

[quaint granite]

Still a very painful way to go by lol

[ionic rose]

yeah wouldnt do that unless ur endgame Leviathan/Kaiju with nothing else to spend on

[tight finch]

Just roll black cs in line 1 and suffer

[rich quail]

400 would be nice

But it usually takes over 1000 rocks with luck

Somebody from Japan got all black line Anis TT and used 1400+ rocks

my bad
close to 1200 rocks

Dunno if they finished all black lines

1316 rocks

dare to dream

[quaint granite]

Dream on

[ionic rose]

yeah black lines are like 1%, but 400 should be enough to get the 7% chance lines

[rich quail]

exactly

unless u whel

[quaint granite]

Unless you are extremely lucky rolling only 100 rocks

[ionic rose]

also i bet this guy is not pvp main, aint no way he got over 1000 rocks if hes pvp. gonna be hard even for a leviathan

[rich quail]

Just about with luck, yeah

[quaint granite]

Saving rocks exclusively for Anis

[rich quail]

My Scar was about 400 rocks but I don’t have all blue/black lines

About half

[ionic rose]

😭

[quaint granite]

that is a really good 50% atk

[rich quail]

but she super powercreeped so I am refraining from improving

[quaint granite]

use RH to make her the super nuke, even shreds through Label's defences

[rich quail]

All the lines are what I want, but the values are not perfect

except ammo

so I can avoid Siren stun

[tight finch]

Scar blanc can kill anis blanc

[rich quail]

maybe

If I didn’t have 30 ammo

[quaint granite]

Scar Blanc kills everyone even Vesti cannot stop her

[tight finch]

Scar blanc without bisc gonna get cooked by vesti

[rich quail]

Yeah I use Blanc for Vesti or SWHA

I am straight nuke Scar in CA

Like Nesso said

I await Iron Scar for 4th anni

book it

[quaint granite]

Jackal holds Scar pretty well

[quaint granite]

I totally can't wait for Scar Upgrade too

[rich quail]

Yeah, I would not recommend using Scar w/o Jackal or Blanc

I tried

failed

even with this Scar

Can’t live long enuff

[quaint granite]

CA is rng Soda stuns buys her time to nuke

[rich quail]

Yeah that is my team

Scar/Soda/Trina/Rosanna/Jackal

My Rosanna is decent with 45% atk

So it is Scar/Rosanna link

[quaint granite]

I have a strong feeling Scar and Rapunzel will come out on 4th Anni

[rich quail]

Yeah almost a no brainer

[quaint granite]

Would be funny they come out on New Years like Snow White

[rich quail]

Unless Shifty Up gets cute

and releases Yoyo and Pinocchio

https://tenor.com/view/rieko-gif-10623073239131879895

[quaint granite]

Or 4th Anni going to be Levi and Behemoth lol

[rich quail]

People in Japan want that tho

Prolly more than Scar and Rapu tbh

[quaint granite]

Would be really funny Scar and Rapu continues to only be useful in PvP and never PvE

[tropic summit]

[quaint granite]

I prefer them to be in both

[rich quail]

Pretty much
but Rapu is almost a non-factor now unless with Soline

[quaint granite]

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/946719897390563328/1498325415721308230/rapidsave.com_2a4hhayuu7xg1.gif

[tropic summit]

where soline

[rich quail]

And Scar we always looking to see if the next banner unit will make her obsolete

[quaint granite]

Don't blink!

Hoping to see Goddess Squad list being reunited again

[rich quail]

Rail always with the goods

the sasuga-ness

[quaint granite]

Railing The Wise

[rich quail]

But still it’s scary if she dies

[tropic summit]

https://klipy.com/gifs/anime-oops-my-fault--k01KRT1W0RJWM9KJBQYRC6FFP5W

[rich quail]

[quaint granite]

You hit Rapunzel so hard she stuns them all

[tropic summit]

just tell her to not die

[rich quail]

I just stick with ghetto Soda rando 2 stun

[quaint granite]

Rail just use so much onions on the opponents

[crystal flicker]

It's harder to reach 30%

[tropic summit]

https://klipy.com/gifs/natural-one-die--k01KRT1Y7KHDXC28AR6CD66Y230

[tropic summit]

🧅

[quaint granite]

imagine we get another crossover that is heavily PvP focused just nuking every 5 rounds in CA

[crystal flicker]

Y'all qualify for CA?

Couldn't be me

[quaint granite]

How close you are to qualify

[crystal flicker]

I'm washed

This new bracket just killing me

I dont even bother to login everyday

[quaint granite]

@tropic summit 101 Guide will pull you through

[crystal flicker]

Rail's wallet will pull me up

[tropic summit]

you're in for bad news then

there's no wallet for nikke for me

[crystal flicker]

It's not for Nikke, it's for me

[quaint granite]

Grow onions and sell it to Rail so he'll pay you handsomely

[crystal flicker]

I can't

I ate it

[abstract badge]

Going to need yet another def team, this def team ded in 1 atk

[hollow lagoon]

[tidal lichen]

[austere marsh]

Ohhhh good score

[humble tiger]

Star anis has fixed cs during burst, so she doesn't need it iirc.

Wait. Is this Star Anis or Summer Anis?

[glad meteor]

Sanis is sg

He meant ttanis

[humble tiger]

Oh. Then... no. She doesn't need CS.

[rich quail]

Summer Anis, do not give her ammo

Unless you like making brick houses

[tropic summit]

[quick lake]

cs% is fine in pvp. cs only fixed during burst and not outside of it

Rolling cs% on ttAnis is pure pvp

[humble tiger]

That's funny. What's next, you gonna tell me others also roll cs% on their SWHA just to burst a millisecond faster?

[quick lake]

SWHA if perm fixed. Cs% doesnt affect

U are in pvp chat, Ppl roll cs% to burst faster wdym

There is literally cs% break points to aim for

Can refer to 2nd pin for cs% break points and calcs

[rich quail]

I have 16.16% cs on AnisTTStar

[tidal lichen]

[rich quail]

not by choice

Because Shifty Up won’t let me exchange for ele dmg

Or ammo

Shifty Up frustrated me so much

I was forced into rock celibacy

https://tenor.com/view/hatchetfield-abstinence-camp-nightmare-time-starkid-boy-jerry-gif-2148350107946880430

[glad meteor]

SWHA doesnt benefit at all from cs unless rosa

Some pvp malder get cs but me no like either. She too strong as a dps to leave as burst gen slave

On anis

[humble tiger]

I know! It tends to be hilarious when PvP and PvE kits suddenly differ.

[rich quail]

It’s a waste in CA

[humble tiger]

What's that term again?

[rich quail]

lol

I tried to type it but got auto smacked

even with the variant with the zeroes

[glad meteor]

Go0n?

[quaint granite]

G00n1ng

[quick lake]

pvp go0n

[hollow lagoon]

🧅

[scarlet adder]

ee the picture is opponent, what i wrote is what i would put maybee but i feel it would lose, sorry for misunderstanding

have to beat those two and also thinking what if he made noah team faster, whether i am screwed. For example he would put swha instead trina

because right now this team is slow enough to maybe kill most of them on b3(except moran probably)

[gaunt pulsar]

you dont have noah right?

[tame vessel]

im back to c3

[scarlet adder]

yeah no noah, no ada

[gaunt pulsar]

how hard his vesti is hitting? can she kill blanc before b2?
if his vesti is average you can use siren to your advantage and place 2nd b3 unit in p1 as a bait and do something like vesti/swha/blanc/red hood/jackal with linked vesti+swha, where Vesti can be quite a few units like laplaceT or even some SG unit like Bsoda/Drake as long as you indom swha, rh buffed one wins here against moran. Or reverse with Vesti indom, not sure which one you like

Nayuta team - feels like your best option is to just outspeed and apply pressure so maybe something like anis/nayuta/vesti/bisc/helm or moran/anis/vesti/bisc/helm so you get moran's dr and taunt, but his helm is probably dead before b3 just from vesti+anis. if vesti goes into first team can replace her here with libby, can also mirror with moran/nayuta/helm/cliprl/anis - DR buffed nayuta team wins against rh buffed one

[green summit]

https://www.blablalink.com/shiftyspad/nikke-list?uid=MjkwODAtODcyODM4ODY3NzgzMjE0Njg5
I need help[ beating this team. My box is is in the shiftyspad link.

[glad meteor]

Yoyo

[arctic jewel]

https://vxtwitter.com/mendozerformula/status/2055704199896166879

MendozerFormula (@mendozerformula)

SKIBIDI RIZZ is in OHIO. You cannot make it up.

Under new owners, his new home is in OHIO. He was ridden to a respectable 5th place, all despite not being able to make the frontrun!

vxTwitter / fixvx · May 16, 2026, 5:37 PM

🤣 🤣 🤣 🤣 🤣

Hello pvp channel!

[swift mango]

@raven plover

Greet your cousin from a different grandfather.

[swift mango]

Rosa only dispels at 1rl in so not like it would make SW gen much faster either

[swift mango]

4 Crit dmg, 4 Ele and Crit everytime.

[raven plover]

https://tenor.com/view/tupac-cookout-cousin-2pac-gif-5189317

[swift mango]

She also shot faster for PvE burst gen.

[swift mango]

Getting 2CS line for Anis is good with PvE as well even if just a little. It helps her shoot for burst gen faster. Since you can't uncharged shot with her.

[humble tiger]

Hmm...
4 ATK
4 ELE
2 AMMO
2 CS

Idk anymore.

[shell hazel]

@glad meteor I was clearly being stupid as these comps was +2-3B vs what I actually ran

[arctic jewel]

If you want to build an Absolute team, what should Vesti's stat lines be? (I can't remember if I asked this question before or not)

[swift mango]

That's good enough. But Mine is 3 Ele 2atk 2cs 2ammo.

[swift mango]

Depending on if you used Absolute for Ziz or Arena.

[swift mango]

For Arena it's 4 AtK, 3-4CS, Crit and Ele as you wanted to. And no ammo.

[humble tiger]

3 ELE
2 ATK
1 AMMO
1 CS

[warm monolith]

@tropic summit help pls

[swift mango]

I used like 100 rocks on AnisTT though.

[shell hazel]

my anis over 100 now and only 2 good pieces 😄

[humble tiger]

100 rocks for that is pain. I only spent like 20 for mine.

[swift mango]

[humble tiger]

Gimme.

[swift mango]

Defending on your definitions of good.

[shell hazel]

right stats/ok lines

[raven plover]

ok blood pray for me to get 1 6% cs pls so I can stop throwing roks at thanos

[lapis galleon]

Good enough for me for now

[onyx scaffold]

21% target?

[swift mango]

If you wanted AtK and Ele on every piece then it's normal not getting all 4 pieces in 100. You should have lived a good rock live to think otherwise.

[raven plover]

yea

[shell hazel]

2 good pieces 2 that I dunno what to do with

[cedar sorrel]

Does cs on ol affect lib

[swift mango]

I have 10% CS on Anis. So I won't pray for you.

[onyx scaffold]

my turn when

[arctic jewel]

Oh? Why no ammo?

[lapis galleon]

You need reroll helmet and boot

[cedar sorrel]

If its for absolute u want to kill before u go burst from what I know

[raven plover]

https://tenor.com/view/alya-sometimes-hides-her-feelings-in-russian-alya-sometimes-hides-feelings-gif-9184617095470447253

[shell hazel]

[raven plover]

soon

[lapis galleon]

Maybe another 100-200 to get it over good

[swift mango]

[arctic jewel]

I've decided to get rid of all my CS rolls on Anis

[shell hazel]

you've got 2 default roll pieces

[swift mango]

Only one.
That 4.92 isn't default

And I spent similar rock as you.

I'm just not as picky with lines.

[glad meteor]

what did you initially run

[shell hazel]

[shell hazel]

team 1 the same, so 2/3 both got more

2.5 - 3 more billions with those other ones if I ran em

would have had 55B 🙁

[glad meteor]

You didn’t run brid

[shell hazel]

no I know, mine wasn't finished building yet

[glad meteor]

https://tenor.com/view/spank-slap-butt-anime-gif-17784858

[shell hazel]

https://tenor.com/view/goddess-of-victory-nikke-doro-meme-sad-gif-10692536301102666475

[glad meteor]

Max core anis

[shell hazel]

Rail made me do it

[glad meteor]

https://tenor.com/view/penguins-of-madagascar-skipper-who-are-you-madagascar-gif-23546617

[shell hazel]

https://tenor.com/view/dahliabunni-angel-beats-gif-22681248

[glad meteor]

https://tenor.com/view/get-back-here-mom-monkey-gif-11862932

[shell hazel]

https://tenor.com/view/hibike-euphonium-nope-nope-nope-run-away-anime-kumiko-oumae-gif-15989481

truth be told I didn't whale for pulls for anis it just took basically all my pulls to do it lol

and I got core max in the 700 track

[swift mango]

I'm basically out of lock trying to get a random 3rd line that's not Hit rate for Anis. So she will have to make do with 11 lines.

[glad meteor]

[shell hazel]

700 pulls + 100 ish back?

[glad meteor]

@tropic summit

[swift mango]

[hollow lagoon]

i want good anis too

[swift mango]

My Anis is just usable.

[shell hazel]

https://tenor.com/view/kaguya-sama-fujiwara-chika-running-away-anime-gif-25611040

[hollow lagoon]

better than me

[glad meteor]

[shell hazel]

no it was 700 pulls

[swift mango]

You spent 100? Show?

[hollow lagoon]

i spent over 100

[glad meteor]

210,000

[shell hazel]

see? easy

[swift mango]

Show

[hollow lagoon]

40 ele anis

[glad meteor]

I like to think i spent less than 100 on mine

I had to roll neon too

[swift mango]

When I will I ever get better than average pull rate like you. ::

[swift mango]

Nah, just show the screenshot

[shell hazel]

I needed the pulls back to do it lol

[shell hazel]

I think I spent 600 of my own, and the 100~ back did the other 100

[glad meteor]

https://tenor.com/view/kowalski-gif-1066880934177536567

[swift mango]

https://tenor.com/view/ahhhh-no-gif-20402522

[cedar sorrel]

Throwing this here cuz I didnt know this for a LONG time so maybe someone gets helped lmao

[tidal lichen]

gl with that black atk line

[shell hazel]

[hollow lagoon]

[swift mango]

That's 4 AtK. It's not worse than mine.

[hollow lagoon]

u have 60 ele

ele = infinitely more damage

is what they say

[tidal lichen]

whats your union rank now

[hollow lagoon]

96

[swift mango]

Want to trade 2 Ele for 2 AtK?

[hollow lagoon]

[shell hazel]

-10

86th

[hollow lagoon]

96 sounds better

[shell hazel]

https://tenor.com/view/86anime-lena-eighty-six-vladilena-milize-salute-gif-26945927

[glad meteor]

What sync are you now

[swift mango]

You want 69. Stop making compromises.

[hollow lagoon]

96

[tidal lichen]

[shell hazel]

we need to hit 69

[glad meteor]

is that esdeath

[tidal lichen]

1 rank above sanaol.

[glad meteor]

Nah

[shell hazel]

first look

see me no spend on gems desu

[glad meteor]

https://tenor.com/view/james-doakes-james-doakes-doakes-meme-doakes-suspicious-gif-7434634924845802139

I’m looking alright

[hollow lagoon]

one day ill do good damage

dont kick me out of the union

[shell hazel]

secondly, it's from the anime - 86 🙂

[glad meteor]

69b

[shell hazel]

69! nice

[hollow lagoon]

she i got out damaged

[glad meteor]

I don’t like that number

[arctic jewel]

[glad meteor]

this is a cursed hit

Marked forever

[hollow lagoon]

ur coming with us next round

[glad meteor]

86

[arctic jewel]

I was about to ask that, when will it happen?

[swift mango]

https://tenor.com/view/69-funny-meme-nice-animated-number-gif-6402340614754592571

[tidal lichen]

thats old

[glad meteor]

We old

[hollow lagoon]

friday/saturday post union thingy

[hollow lagoon]

higher than 96 you hacked

[hollow lagoon]

ill defeat you one day

[hollow lagoon]

https://giphy.com/gifs/angry-mad-cute-bear-w2ldbBLfoB37AcqVem

[shell hazel]

I know is old 🙂

point was more why 2 people missing?

89th last time > 87th this time

[tidal lichen]

oh

idk.

[shell hazel]

blabla not updated yet for current

[tidal lichen]

we could go 50+ easily if ppl didnt slack

[shell hazel]

p2 wall is the real divider

imo

[shell hazel]

if you clear p2 you easy top 60-70?

[tidal lichen]

look at the syncs

[hollow lagoon]

i wish i can do that much damage

[shell hazel]

avg sync is higher than ours for sure let me check it

[glad meteor]

[tidal lichen]

there are great cookers in the guild but more than half of them do casual hits

[glad meteor]

This guy casually hit 99b.

[hollow lagoon]

if u let me use 5 teams yes

[shell hazel]

2 people down even 1 skips? 😄

[glad meteor]

701 28b

[shell hazel]

crazy work

[tidal lichen]

imagine if i piloted the accs.

[shell hazel]

well we try to fix the bad comp runners and such, and skip is kick if not communicated

[hollow lagoon]

i wanna do good damage but my 2-3 ele account aint doing much maybe hippo will yeet me into the casual union where i belong

[shell hazel]

i'll ask Shihai to do it

[glad meteor]

[hollow lagoon]

ill bribe shihai with Onioned @tropic summit

it always works

[shell hazel]

do sanaol co-ordinate anything or just hit?

[restive heart]

[tidal lichen]

uh.

[hollow lagoon]

ill defeat you one day

[tidal lichen]

kinda.

most of them dont

[hollow lagoon]

cant ie ven do 69b with 2 hits?

[shell hazel]

we co-ordinate a bit but it's not perfect tbh

though people got lives to live, so we just do what we can 🙂

[hollow lagoon]

only 30% of us coordinate ish

[shell hazel]

think it would be hard to arrange fully all member hits so we just ask for mocks from as many as can do them so we got ideas

[tropic summit]

[swift mango]

Our unions are in similar situation I guess.

[hollow lagoon]

anyways @glad meteor @tidal lichen ill defeat you one day

[glad meteor]

[tidal lichen]

noob

[hollow lagoon]

[shell hazel]

baby zant?

[hollow lagoon]

literal from dis raid

[tropic summit]

[shell hazel]

oh it's normal 😄

one day you'll win

[swift mango]

https://tenor.com/view/hmm-suspect-gif-22611582

[glad meteor]

[hollow lagoon]

i cant do 69b with 2 hits

i go a tad over

my account is bricked

[glad meteor]

[glad meteor]

https://tenor.com/view/kowalski-noted-penguins-penguins-of-madagascar-gif-1306663699157096677

[hollow lagoon]

70 or 66 it seems

[glad meteor]

681

[swift mango]

https://tenor.com/view/9to5-9-to-5-ticker9to5-gif-6466614225041603159

[glad meteor]

All those stars

[hollow lagoon]

do u like chocolate coated almond?

[glad meteor]

They say crown mast better than crown maiden. But i guess your nikkes lack ele anyways

[hollow lagoon]

they lied and is dumb

[glad meteor]

Maiden sss. I agree

[hollow lagoon]

[glad meteor]

[hollow lagoon]

maiden last burst big

[solid flare]

how much worse is it for me on SA def if i trade the Anis positions slot 4 and 5?

[glad meteor]

Beeg

Re enter anuss

[restive heart]

[swift mango]

I mean the last burst is Neon 100% burst so Maiden isn't synergy.

[hollow lagoon]

why not just pur a helm for burst tem or something

[hollow lagoon]

only if ur slow with burst gen which you are if u run mast

[swift mango]

Nah I, if I played on phone.

[solid flare]

im trying to figure out how bad it is to have re enter

[hollow lagoon]

ur slowed by like a bit

but u get hp buff and heal

and anis actually get to burst so u get some of her dps and buffs

but what's stopping you from using centi?

is the question

[swift mango]

Re-enter, Anis functions like Helm but she bursts every cycle instead of 2 and you free up someone else to burst 3.

[solid flare]

my centi bricked

[hollow lagoon]

treasured?

[solid flare]

fully

[hollow lagoon]

just like me then

if u think about it

reenter slows u down

centi speeds opponent up

same difference

[swift mango]

Ah you mean in Arena. Then Nah, scarlet could slash before Noah shield up.

[hollow lagoon]

just put a label and scarlet cant slash

[solid flare]

i thought i said this was for SA defenxe

[swift mango]

Then ReiT wipe.

[hollow lagoon]

reiT this day and age

[swift mango]

[hollow lagoon]

u assume they have limited wind niche unit invested

[swift mango]

[hollow lagoon]

[hollow lagoon]

sanis def?

[solid flare]

im just trying to balance out my team 2 and team 3

i dont have a bestieTU

[swift mango]

I think I would invest in ReiA so I could use her without worrying about Vesti.

[hollow lagoon]

she exists

[arctic jewel]

I haven't pulled her, what does she do?

[hollow lagoon]

for pvp

she does a nuke

[shell hazel]

it's scarlet insta-nuke style but not quite right?

[arctic jewel]

https://tenor.com/view/kaboom-explosion-disaster-explode-gif-17774478

[shell hazel]

don't see many using her, think she needed more buffers or was slower? or was essentially same as scar but lacked the scar counters and trina thing

[arctic jewel]

I did see Tenshi winning with her, not this season, but the season before the latest

Just never looked up what she does

I pulled for WAsuka back then

[glad meteor]

Trina bought scar back

[shell hazel]

WAsuka is good in pve at least I never built Rei

[glad meteor]

And she has counters

[glad meteor]

4 ele for wind raid

My wind is built except for eh and ssak

[arctic jewel]

Gonna pull for Raven next week

Is 1 copy enough or should I MLB her?

[solid flare]

nothing in pvp is budget

[arctic jewel]

Or maybe get more Eve copies (she's Core 2)?

[solid flare]

pvp initself is a luxury.

[arctic jewel]

Not talking about pvp

[shell hazel]

Raven > Eve for pve I believe

[solid flare]

am i in the wrong channle?

[arctic jewel]

Nope :3

[shell hazel]

no just we chat random stuff in here when pvp stuff not being talked about sometimes :p

[arctic jewel]

We won't get banned for talking about pve in a pvp channel

[arctic jewel]

Besides, I highly doubt that Raven is good in pvp, so I'm not even gonna bother

Unless there's something that I don't know about xD

[arctic jewel]

Eve is mostly used with RapiRH right?

[shell hazel]

I didn't build mine yet she MLB but not used lol

maybe one day I will build Eve

[arctic jewel]

I'm kind of in the same boat, just Core 2, but I haven't used her in a very long time

I believe I used her in Altruia SR, I honestly don't remember xD

But honestly, I currently suck at most pve content because I simply don't have enough stuff built properly, I'm just not there yet

[west isle]

How bad these teams

[shell hazel]

I been building pve stuff for the last 6 months or so and I don't see an end to it

[burnt kite]

Best team for rookie arena and best 3 teams for special arena?

First image is rookie and the other 3 are from special

[arctic jewel]

Nikke sure is great for making us farm resources

[arctic jewel]

Screenshot all your Nikkes (or most of them that are somewhat useful with higher CP)

[burnt kite]

These are the ones i dont own, so that means i have a lot to use right

[arctic jewel]

That's not helpful, we need to have a better picture what you can actually use, screenshot what you have

[burnt kite]

Here is the top ones, i feel like knowing which units are best is better to know and build for than just building already strong units?

[cedar sorrel]

In pvp cp matters a lot so even if u have all the top tiers if they arent up to speed u can hardly use them

[arctic jewel]

That's why I asked for a screenshot what you have, so that we have a better understanding what's built and not

So this is better

[cedar sorrel]

Luckily a lot of units nowadays are dual purpose so ur aniss moranT helmT nayuta swha lib etc can just be used in pvp as well

[arctic jewel]

@burnt kite You should start building at least SWHA, Blanc and Laplace

[cedar sorrel]

But theres also units like blanc jackal biscuit noah etc that are mostly or only good in pvp that would require basic investment to use in pvp (usually sr5/15 4ol 444 skills)

[burnt kite]

Thanks for the info guys

What would be the best team i can make for rookie? And special?

[cedar sorrel]

A basic rookie team in my exp is
Nayuta helmT swha RH aniss

[arctic jewel]

After these 3, you should also consider upgrading Trina, Drake, Privaty, Liberalio, Bay and Scarlet

[cedar sorrel]

Very fast team that just nukes your opponent

[arctic jewel]

But don't spread too thin with resources

[cedar sorrel]

This can eventually be crackes by running mermaid into it to stun the nayuta but still good for ur rookie def for now I think

[arctic jewel]

If you really want to run that Rookie team of yours, you can easily replace Rapi with either LaplaceT (T stands for treasure item) or Trina

RapiRH is amazing, but unfortunately she doesn't get much usage in PvP

[burnt kite]

I dont have treasure boiii

[burnt kite]

Same placement? For the units?

[arctic jewel]

And that's why I told you that you need start upgrading Laplace

[burnt kite]

Fairr enough

Im gonna get t for privaty first

[cedar sorrel]

Yea placement is key here since pvp does auto bursts and most weapons shoot the same way

Nayuta at the start has indom (cant go below 1 hp) for like 9 sec so she can soak up a lot of damage

[burnt kite]

Wont RH burst 1? And HelmT burst 3?

[arctic jewel]

P1 gets targeted the most

[cedar sorrel]

Rh burst 1 is good here cuz it gives a huge caster atk buff

HelmT will burst which is nice cuz it can give you some sustain especially vuz nayuta distributed the healing evenly

Ive been using 2rl nayuta since I started pvping its very easy to use and unless ur dealing with knowledgeable players can also be tricky to beat

[burnt kite]

But what about swha burst 3 or anis os burst 1

[cedar sorrel]

Swha is a good burst 3 but she is delayed as she bursts

She still needs to charge her shot before she deals damage + she doesnt heal

[arctic jewel]

SWHA is a very high priority Nikke for both PvE and PvP

[cedar sorrel]

Aniss is fine b1 but RH b1 is just so ur attacks turn into nukes

[burnt kite]

Yessir

[burnt kite]

Okok and this will make me go to the top!!?

Of rookie arena

[cedar sorrel]

Itll be a good defence option and can probably beat most of ur enemies their defence without thinking

As u go higher u do wanna learn what beats what tho. If someone has a noah or a mermaid this strategy isnt as good

[burnt kite]

True

Should i just not build 3 teams for special arena

[cedar sorrel]

If u can build 3 teams in spa that are all good and have good cp then yes if u cant then u can also make 2 good teams and 1 CP pad team

[arctic jewel]

Unfortunately your options are a bit limited atm, my best advice what you should do atm is to start building the Nikkes that I mentioned, and try to replace RapiRH with something else

[burnt kite]

For exampleee

[cedar sorrel]

Cp is very important in pvp if your cp 15.4% less than ur opp you are dealing with deficit which just nerfs your stats

[burnt kite]

Yep, the top ones have like 20% more

[cedar sorrel]

Yeah this makes it inherently way harder

[burnt kite]

I got 620k, someone has 880k and another 800k and another at 770k i think

[cedar sorrel]

If your defences arent your highest campaign team CP * 0.846 (so 15.4%) = X then it isnt really worth cuz people will just deficit beat you

[arctic jewel]

Depending on how seriously you want to take PvP, you also need to consider your Harmony Cubes

[cedar sorrel]

My best campaign team is around 360k so all my defences in pvp are around 310k CP

This means the average person cant just select 1 team with below average CP to win just from deficit

[burnt kite]

Damn, im at ch 43, rn focusing on it

[burnt kite]

Which ones??

[cedar sorrel]

If I had 3 good teams but they are
330k cp
320k cp
280k cp

Then my 3rd team even tho its good will just be cp gapped and lose

[arctic jewel]

Quantum (lvl 7 is enough) and Tempering (as high as possible)

[cedar sorrel]

So Id rather have a worse team at a higher CP so that doesnt happen

[burnt kite]

Fairrr

[burnt kite]

They are lvl 4 and isnt destruction also good

[arctic jewel]

No, Destruction has no use in PvP

Resilience and Bastion are better offensive options

[burnt kite]

Okok

[arctic jewel]

Destruction does more damage to parts, that's a Rapture thing

[burnt kite]

Ty to both of u bossmen people

[cedar sorrel]

No worries. As you build up more key pvp units itll be easier to build comps

Jackal tvesti blanc biscuit noah are top tier pvp meta

Dont undermine campaign progress tho but some OLs and dolls can help a lot

[hollow lagoon]

Destroy my sanity that’s what

[arctic jewel]

https://tenor.com/view/defeat-me-win-lose-a-day-may-come-aragorn-gif-16599762272633184369

[hollow lagoon]

https://tenor.com/view/tomorrow-annie-youre-ony-a-day-away-gif-13996266

[quaint granite]

Imagine True Dmg cube is a thing in PvP

[quaint granite]

https://tenor.com/view/noah-nikke-gif-11919569615249801280

[hollow lagoon]

Vesti with a lot of ammo like mine

[cedar sorrel]

[hollow lagoon]

U ain’t catching me leveling that cube tho

[swift mango]

She nuke and do some continuous dmg like Scar. Stronger nuke but doesn't have support like Trina. And worse continuous dmg because no counter.

She has like zero off-burst dmg which was a minus. But sometimes it's a plus because she could wipe without triggering biscuit at all.

[hollow lagoon]

Trigger me (in bed)

Blood is ur waifu still label or you moved on

[quaint granite]

If I keep emoting you Noah, you'll prob get her alot more sooner

[swift mango]

In this game it's Sora, label, Elegg and Sugar. But only Label useful for Arena.

[cedar sorrel]

That must be it.

[swift mango]

Emote with Rapu more

[hollow lagoon]

I’m sure you will figure it out

[swift mango]

[swift mango]

Sugar maybe, I'm still waiting for her treasure but she probably get summer alter instead.

And I will have to skip pilgrim for her like I skip doro for elegg

[hollow lagoon]

The only cafe stweety with no treasure

[quaint granite]

I need Rapu funny enough

[cedar sorrel]

I dont have her either

Also missing sbs

[swift mango]

Canonically the strongest Tetra Nikke.

[hollow lagoon]

Sus

Get gets a 50% debuff when not on her bike

[swift mango]

She could ride me instead to ignore the debuff.

[arctic jewel]

Nice! 👍

[hollow lagoon]

(In bed)

[arctic jewel]

It makes me grumpy that I lost Max Ammo and Ele dmg in slots 1 and 2 to get an Atk on slot 3 for RapiRH...

And now I'm getting nothing but Hit Rate and Charge Speed

[quaint granite]

It has to be done

Line 3 is more satisfying in the long run

[arctic jewel]

Yes it is, but I'm currently stuck at Gluttony Hard mode because I'm barely doing enough damage

I kind of need good stats right now

[quaint granite]

You changed from that moment or earlier?

[arctic jewel]

Slightly earlier, because I knew what's coming eventually

As PvP player that needs to improve most Nikkes constantly, I'm always out of rocks xD

[quaint granite]

I feel ya

[onyx scaffold]

your scar team can beat 2RL nayuta helm right? @lusty gull

[candid cradle]

Can anyone suggest 3 good teams (both atk and def teams) for sp arena, please?

[quaint granite]

The question is who do you have invested

[upper grove]

Attack will always depend on your opponents defense, you only have to win 2/3

[versed mesa]

Anytime this happens I'm "Oh I pulled a Zant!" hehehe... @hollow lagoon Where are my SSRs!?

[hollow lagoon]

when i defeat you one day

[versed mesa]

https://tenor.com/view/aragorn-but-notthis-day-lotr-gif-14120761

[candid cradle]

Actually I'm more interested in a defense team rn
I don't want to reach a higher position, I just want to chill where I am now

[candid cradle]

Don't worry about investment

I can manage

[lusty gull]

can win against some variant only

[upper grove]

Just post your roster/blabla link and someone will cook up something, not me though, I'm clueless

[candid cradle]

I have every nikke except EH and mint right now

[upper grove]

That still doesn't tell the builders what units are invested and have high power though

[candid cradle]

About Blabla link I don't know what are you are talking about

[candid cradle]

Really, don't worry about that ahah

I want to know the ideal 3 teams for def and atk

So I know what I should upgrade first

[arctic jewel]

Then take a screenshot of all of your Nikkes

[candid cradle]

🥲 I just want to know the meta teams right now

[jolly maple]

check pins

[candid cradle]

Where are the teams? 🤔

[quick lake]

3rd pin

[candid cradle]

Thank you
I have a few questions tho:

1. I've seen that there are a lot of archetypes, and if I understood correctly, in a specific archetype the best team is the first of the list, right? But what are the best archetypes? The first 3 of the lists or it's indifferent?
2. for pvp bay should have her treasure?
3. are ol stats really impactful in PvP?

[charred quail]

I gonna watch and analyze ca recordings to learn PvP. The goal is to get to the point where I stop asking rail for help

[quick lake]

1. Generally the 1-3 teams in each archetype are all fine and good.
2. Bay with or without her treasure works the same
3. Generally isn't that impactful. Mostly would suggest investing in DPS OLs like SWHA, Vesti, ttAnis

[quick lake]

https://nikke-tools.netlify.app/
Can find team ideas here

Oh and yes, the archetypes are generally sorted from better ones to worse ones @candid cradle

There isn't a strict list, because most of PVP is just a game of rock-paper-scissors where some arcetypes win against others

[candid cradle]

1. I meant what are the best archetypes, not which teams in an archetype are the best. Sorry I can't explain well
2. ok, thanks. I asked because I maxed her treasure, and I wanted to know if it was a bad thing (like centi treasure that, sadly, I've maxed too ahah)
3. okok then I think you can say I've invested in almost every PvP nikke except for bay, Nero, Rosanna and maybe label? I don't remember every nikke in that list

[candid cradle]

Ah okok

Thanks

[scarlet adder]

yeahh kinda risky, even if blanc survives now she might die any other day, this team is 3RL so i think i could just nuke it with fast vesti before noah shied, and nayu team i have figured out with cindy bisc. Thank you

[charred quail]

Goal is to learn PvP by analyze recordings and accurately predict who wins. Is that going to help with it?

[candid cradle]

So the first 3 archetypes should be the best archetypes

[candid cradle]

I know but I'd love to chill 😭 a lot of people are attacking my teams lately

[quick lake]

1. There are quite a few various archetypes. Its mostly an arbitray classification imo
2. Bay treasure is pretty good imo. Good heals and dmg reduction
3. Nero is good, but skill-wise expensive. Rosanna require like 2-3atk and/ele so rocks expensive. Can just ignore label

Team building is generally more impt than invetment afterwhile

Can also ask in pvp chat for team ideas

I have some really annoying defenses. But if my opponent copies, I get annoyed too cause its hard to crack

[versed mesa]

Defense is unfortunately really poor in this game. Anyone who you aren't gapping in cp and synchro by large enough margin, if they even slightly know what they are doing, will have the advantage on attack

You either waste gems to defend your position, if you are getting pushed out consistently, to deter for example players who only use their free tickets, to make them hesitant to attack you, or you just try to change your defenses often enough to trip up people who attack on autopilot

[quick lake]

Can try def like this for eg

[candid cradle]

Yeah but the problem is that some people that are attacking me (and winning) either have nikkes that are the same level as mine, or the CP gap is not so much (I think)
So I figured the problem is my def teams (that I copied from someone else some time ago)

I have zero knowledge about pvp so it's been a stressful struggle lately

[candid cradle]

It's kinda stressful to change every time and obviously buying more tries is a waste of gems

[versed mesa]

The cp is the more important factor. If your cp is more than 15.4% above someone elses or below, it means the one with the lower has a stat penalty

[last vigil]

How to counter this

[versed mesa]

Yeah I do not recommend getting into gem wars. Especially if you are f2p or low spender.

You should just get some defense team recommendations from here, put them to work and just leave it, just shuffle team order every now and then and call it a day

[swift mango]

Use an absolute team and kill Blanc

[versed mesa]

Maybe get some new recommendations anytime a new season starts

[last vigil]

Didnt build. I could copy but didnt even build vesti

[candid cradle]

About atk team (to regain an eventually lost position), should I use the same team as in defence?

[swift mango]

Use a SR team and make them indom on drake.

[versed mesa]

What you use on attack depends purely on what the enemy teams are. You can just post the match up and someone can most likely help you make an attack plan so you get that best 2 out of 3

[swift mango]

You can also just indom Rapipi.

[last vigil]

like this?

[swift mango]

Rapi+Blanc+RH+AnisTT+Jackal

RH with Vigor cube

[last vigil]

he hurts

[swift mango]

Oop sorry forgot he has Vesti.

[last vigil]

my blanc die and rh b2 instead

[candid cradle]

Figured 😪 thank you
I guess it's time to build bay

[swift mango]

Blanc+Rapi+SW+Biscuit+AnisTT.

[candid cradle]

Oh yeah and what about cubes?

[last vigil]

burst gen cube on anis and bis?

[versed mesa]

You can generally just use your highest leveled cubes for the cp, for "batteries" aka units that are meant to help you burst as fast as possible, you put a quantum on them.

[glad meteor]

Anis blanc snow biscuit neon ?

[last vigil]

still lost. Damn he strong

[candid cradle]

I think I'm using quantum cube also on dps units that have fast burst energy regen (like snow white), I don't know if it's the right thing tho

[versed mesa]

Yeah that is fine. It starts going way more into technical details but tempering for damage reduction on most important units is also something to consider.

[candid cradle]

It's sooo complicated, I wish I understood how PvP works 😐

[versed mesa]

https://tenor.com/view/same-office-sad-gif-19573853

[tidal lichen]

moran helm snow siren noah

[placid bloom]

pretty sure for this team you go Scar Vesti and just kill Blanc to cut them off B2

they cannot win if they have no B2

[last vigil]

I didnt build vesti, cause i dont need her for campaign or raid

[placid bloom]

gg

[last vigil]

I try this on reset

[swift mango]

Need sceenshot at least to know what went wrong.

[placid bloom]

Noah p5 is dead to Drake

[last vigil]

My anis last 1 standing 1v1 vesti and died

[tidal lichen]

oh

right

[versed mesa]

C4 hit me again

[last vigil]

rapi died before blanc burst too

[tidal lichen]

you could just place noah p3 actually since no rls are being taunted

[candid cradle]

Is there a way to watch the battle of the people that attack you?

[placid bloom]

it really is Scar Vesti angle, time to build Vesti

[swift mango]

How long was the fight. Did Blanc burst? Yeah, if Anis got indomed you may not have enough ammo and reload at the end.

[tidal lichen]

moran helm siren noah snow

i guess vesti targets her tho

surely siren lives long enough to stun

you can also just 2.5rl blanc it

or anis blanc flex flex bisc

[swift mango]

2.5rl Blanc can just die to Anis burst.

[last vigil]

blanc burst but rapi died

[placid bloom]

that team is like 1.8RL or something so even 2RL beats it pretty sure, it's mainly an issue of surviving Drake + Vesti damage

[shell hazel]

Rail - Kara is bullying me 😿