pvp-arena

[arctic jewel]

Someone can correct me if I'm wrong

[tight finch]

With SU releasing shit like anis i don't think CentiT matters tbh

She just needs some better numbers

[arctic jewel]

She still has usage, being B2 and has high burst gen

[tight finch]

I just mean the amount of 'extra' burst doesn't mean shit when SU releases stuff like Anis and SW every other patch lol

I can still beat meta anis teams with p1 centiT

I'd rather have black heart icon than red dot

[arctic jewel]

Depends on what teams we're talking about, but sure

[tight finch]

I bigger issue however is that SW rockets ignore shields

[swift mango]

Discount Vesti alright

[gloomy shard]

Is is worth keeping the 3rd line?

[arctic jewel]

@swift mango do you perhaps know how to tackle this? I was confused when going up against this team

[shell hazel]

[brazen pilot]

HHHHHHH

[arctic jewel]

Care to explain what the Anis team does? I first used Nayuta/Helm/SWHA/Rosanna/Jackal and I thought that Rosanna would take care of Mihara, then Helm would snipe Cindy, but I lost and got nuked. Then I used Blanc indom with Vesti, it was a lot closer, but I eventually lost

[oak hatch]

Same as slow cindy with rumani but it’s faster now and does more damage

[arctic jewel]

hmmm... doesn't that defeat the purpose of what slow Cindy actually does? 🤔

[oak hatch]

They aiming to kill with anis and mihara dot for the duration of indom

[oak hatch]

It’s still slow, 3.5 rl

[arctic jewel]

I see, well, I'll try with the above team, thank you

[oak hatch]

With previous slow Cindy being slower might be more necessary because it gives more time for mihara dot to deal damage, but now with anis she can basically wipe teams alone, and if not mihara will clean up

[arctic jewel]

interesting

[swift mango]

Siren then Libby wipe it

[umbral belfry]

baby pvp acc just trying his best 🐣

[oak hatch]

It was able to win vs my slow cindy even without investments so no chance for warheart to lose using it

[umbral belfry]

[glad meteor]

[arctic jewel]

I just imagined reading this in Arcana's voice

[tropic summit]

SP arena

• nayuta anisTT privT helmT noir
• jackal vestiTU cindy blanc laplaceT
• moran siren swha lib noah

[swift mango]

Roll standard, 20 pulls nothing, roll friend, 10 pulls the unit on wish list.

[arctic jewel]

🥷

[tropic summit]

upgrade T3 if CP loss is tollerable

https://klipy.com/gifs/tomodachi-no-imouto-ga-ore-ni-dake-uzai-my-friends-little-sister-has-it-in-for-me-12--k01KQN9GMN7KZWGJ3B9ES4XSJ14

[arctic jewel]

https://tenor.com/view/nikke-delta-delta-nikke-delta-chibi-nikke-chibi-ninja-delta-gif-16463234382958583583

[tropic summit]

keep in mind that's not good on def, you aint siren resistant there

https://klipy.com/gifs/pout-kiss-4--k01KQN9JFR3SX4YXB9BDF2VPH5T

[humble tiger]

It's not Blanc. I guess I'm dead.

[arctic jewel]

something that I've noticed about myself is that I tend to forget that I can actually use Siren xD

[swift mango]

I was stupid and wasted 12 rocks trying to make Neon 9% CS and fail, forget that she is like Anis, 8% is enough.

The game compensated me with delta

Good enough

[glad meteor]

How so

[arctic jewel]

so far, 0 CS rolls for my Neon...

[glad meteor]

CS is good on neon, in pve

[charred bobcat]

Thanks, also, there is not space to use biscuit? or how to deal with biscuit teams?

[glad meteor]

Ah. Fast charge

[swift mango]

No shooting animation, so at 2rl Neon and Anis is 1 tier faster than common RL

[arctic jewel]

also, what stat lines should I aim for Anis?

[swift mango]

8% = 11%%

[arctic jewel]

Atk and Ele are obvious, but what should the rest be?

[oak hatch]

4 attack 4 ele 2 cs 2 ammo

[arctic jewel]

🤔

[oak hatch]

[glossy falcon]

@torpid jetty attack me one more time, I need to test some teams

[arctic jewel]

it's just that I really don't want to get rid of my Def black line 😭

[oak hatch]

U trying to build tank anis

[swift mango]

Blocking helm nuke. 💪

[arctic jewel]

literally the first roll

[tropic summit]

looks doable but gonna need to play with links on T1

conditions:

• teams assumed not in deficit (multiply enemy team CP for 0.846, then confirm it against each team, value obtained must be higher)

T1:

SWHA assumed linked, tempering
blanc vigor
vestiTU assumed linked or unlinked, if linked higher HP than SWHA (if not the case, invert them)
RH can be linked or unlinked, if linked ensure she's higher HP than indom target above
jackal quantum

note: vigor on a unit can help you force HP requirement

T2:

anisTT quantum
moran tempering
biscuit vigor
cindy tempering
helmT tempering

[warm monolith]

Hello@tropic summit

Hello@arctic jewel

[oak hatch]

What about ur other pieces? All perfect?

[warm monolith]

Hello@swift mango

[arctic jewel]

@warm monolith Hello!

[warm monolith]

Hows it going

[arctic jewel]

far

[oak hatch]

I’d leave that gear for last to fix

[arctic jewel]

figures, the other gear are hot garbo

[versed mesa]

https://tenor.com/view/yugioh-should-been-gif-23901254

[tropic summit]

that's a very broad question, the answer is: it depends

• if defenders in p1 and p2 or p1 and p3 or p2 and p3, you can pop their biscuit stacks together pre burst with units like emilia or vestiTU
• if only one defender, it depends then on the team if there's other vulnerabilities abusable, e.g. speed, siren, rosanna, nayuta... the list goes on

as for where to slot biscuit, build up her CP first, you can change some archetypes to slot her with anisTT or in a stall team with moran noah

[tropic summit]

https://klipy.com/gifs/winterz-soon--k01KQNA8PSWBPRMN1SYVV5YHTKW

[arctic jewel]

slop Biscuit was something 😛

[swift mango]

"I have done my duty"

[humble tiger]

Btw, I'm the only one in my CH bracket without Blanc and Noah.

The real only way I can win is gapping everyone.

[versed mesa]

I'm at I think 70 rocks just to get the 4 ele on Anis, still only 1 attack

[tropic summit]

@shell hazel i feel you

[warm monolith]

Hello @humble tiger

[oak hatch]

New meta ca comp?

[arctic jewel]

a bit stressful, discovering new bugs with my plugin

[tropic summit]

it's even more strange when you look at how far apart p and t are on the keyboard, how did a t end up there

[mystic rain]

bisc indom?

[tight finch]

Doesnt her tanking helm and bursting before dying achieve less than her die to helm burst and cindy burst?

[swift mango]

Nah, Cindy doesn't one shot Helm for 9m

[arctic jewel]

don't worry, I sometimes make weirder typos

[tight finch]

Anis do tho

[warm monolith]

The unity one right?

Music comp iirc?

[arctic jewel]

yes, the libopenmpt wrapper

[swift mango]

Anis does like many small 500k

Not 1 shot 9.8m

[tight finch]

If you could block sw rockets could cook more with neo

[arctic jewel]

the fading of certain channels (instruments, but not really) act weird

[swift mango]

It was Anis actually

[shell hazel]

[warm monolith]

At least you continue it, i abandoned my Ai project

[arctic jewel]

programming AI stuff is a headache

or ech, it depends on what the AI does

[warm monolith]

I started off because one guy in instagram made a massive ai companion thing and ive seen a hella lot of his vids

Turns out he had 3 RTX 5070 s just running the ai...

400 bucks electricity bill

[arctic jewel]

ooof

[swift mango]

Cindy actually one shot helm and SW provided her nuke still hit them after Noah

[swift mango]

Nah it's joke comp

[arctic jewel]

anyway, gonna do my dailies, then get back to coding

[vestal wigeon]

It's been a while since I've updated my defense team I still have bricked centi in here kinda lost on who to slap on where atm. I just got vestiTU like this week so she's hardly built

[warm monolith]

Bye, take care

[swift mango]

I was 1 tile left before I got the 2 rock. The game doesn't have the decency of having the rock on the last tile so it's x2.

[mint kite]

Aw, my new rival is a gemmer

[tropic summit]

you've to start questioning where nikke doesn't actively try to scam you

[tropic summit]

dayum there's at least 2 teams that need updating here

effing neonOS even as flex in a burst gen heavy team still barely 2RL via anisTT 6% burst gen teamwide

[tropic summit]

where's vestiTU btw

[mint kite]

That was literally me yesterday

[mint swallow]

is neonOS not good for pvp? doesnt her kit seem good

[swift mango]

Mid

[mint swallow]

i see

[tropic summit]

imagine being a RL unit and doing as much burst gen as a effing SR

@vestal wigeon also are you hiding a noah down there?

[vestal wigeon]

pretty far down the list SR Anis is currently higher than her

[tropic summit]

[swift mango]

Sth is wrong with this chart. 5.92 at 2rl but 11.84 at 3rl

[tropic summit]

https://klipy.com/gifs/guy-long-hair-3--k01KQNB8XSA65G6XKHMQKJG9TFJ

[swift mango]

Neon doesn't need 2rl to charge her 1st shot

[scenic storm]

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/1364050807972167692/1390724751307178166/lv_0_20231110081159.gif

[tropic summit]

https://klipy.com/gifs/nikke-doro--k01KQNB9QHCD3MKXYJ81QSKGRD4

[vestal wigeon]

oh yeah didn't even notice noah wasn't in the screenshot, she isn't badly geared or anything I just haven't really invested rocks into her

[fast nest]

[tropic summit]

good there's hope

[mint swallow]

who can hate doro 🥀

[vestal wigeon]

can I post the blablalink here for nikke list?

[scenic storm]

https://tenor.com/view/doro-dorothy-nikke-紅蓮-홍련-gif-5040680170440666403

[swift mango]

@bleak shale
Any idea why Neon first 2 shots generate 5.94 but from the 3rd shot onward 5.94 per shot?

[tropic summit]

SP arena

• nayuta anisTT privT helmT NeonOS
• jackal scarlet lib blanc drakeT
• moran siren swha noah noise

Notes

• build asap vestiTU, upgrade teams then
• build up noah

[tropic summit]

no need, your box was enough, check above

[swift mango]

Anyone?

[vestal wigeon]

alright ty

[bleak shale]

probably @lusty gull question

[vestal wigeon]

how much should vesti be invested into before I can slap her onto teams? any specific CS she need?

[swift mango]

It's hard to @ his name for me. Thanks.

[tropic summit]

5%CS, 20-30atk%, x2 ammo, 40-60%ele

[bleak shale]

it should be .74*2*2 = 2.96% per RL = 5.92 at 2rl, 8.88 at 3rl, 11.84 at 4rl

[tropic summit]

as for skill lvls can refer to prydwen

[vestal wigeon]

tyty

[swift mango]

3rl has 2 value

[bleak shale]

unless hes has the data to see an extra shot by uhh

3rd/4th

because neon doesnt duck so she saves a few fractions of a second

[swift mango]

Yeah, need less CS roll

[swift mango]

Wasted 12 rocks trying to improve her CS and failed before I realized I didn't need to.

12 rocks for dumbass tax

[swift mango]

Thanks

[bleak shale]

yea im pretty sure u dont shoot 4 by 3 or 5 by 4 tho

[swift mango]

Yeah, you don't

[bleak shale]

defiantely not 6 by 4

[swift mango]

Her burst dmg is okay. The rest bad.

[mint swallow]

more dmg than vestiTU?

[swift mango]

Nah, her burst Dmg is like Vesti at home.

Doesn't have burst gen and pre burst dmg of vesti

She has the invunerable niche though.

[tight finch]

P4 pseudo biscuit if they dont have sw

[swift mango]

An improvement from Chisato.

[broken quest]

Guys I need some new attack teams, I can't even break top 10 after this arena reset 😭 What do I send? the box? or nikke bla bla?

[tropic summit]

start by sending your opponents lineup and your blabla link set to public

after reaching past d1, you generally need to customize your attack teams based on what you facing

[hollow lagoon]

@tropic summit tired

[tropic summit]

expected no less, malderoni pepperoni for a day

[broken quest]

Problem is since this reset, I'm not fighitng the same guy usually, but I think it's mostly cp gap blocking me

Will send in a bit

[swift mango]

My Neon after 40+ rocks, nah I'm not touching her anymore

[hollow lagoon]

basically entire day

[tight finch]

I mean in lore she just destroys crystals, makes sense why rocks have no effect on her
I've spent like 50 rocks no 3rd line on gloves

[swift mango]

It's not enough for top 100 at the end though

[hollow lagoon]

@tropic summit anyways here u go rail kun

[tropic summit]

he was saying he was gonna score 3%, he's clearly above 1% at least

[swift mango]

That's normal.

[tropic summit]

dayum that cindy team is beeeeg

think i can copy a good portion

[tight finch]

I spend 12 rocks today on eunwha got 3, 3rd lines

[swift mango]

It's more about hunting ele

[hollow lagoon]

also u can live to the end sg healerless

if u want to, but its ultra cancer to mald

[tight finch]

It won't move to 3rd line, also wont reset above 15%
Neon hate me

[hollow lagoon]

same

i have a 15% i reset it becoem 9

i'm like mmmmmmmmk

[tight finch]

Yesterday was 12 rocks that peaked at 15% ele 2% cs

now I just move on

[hollow lagoon]

[mint kite]

@hollow lagoon my Rapi-Helm-Crown-Anis-MMast2 team is 280 lines from beating Altruia

At sync 632 🫤

[hollow lagoon]

close

[mint kite]

Don't know where to go from here

[hollow lagoon]

sync more

[mint kite]

Didn't you do it at 615 sync?

[tropic summit]

yeah you know me, aint malding that hard

gonna run it neonless for now let's see

[hollow lagoon]

the lack of neon tho

u cant break electric qte

he put nayu in swha team

its easier for that team

[tropic summit]

i need elec in T2

thinking who to bench

or swapping B1 actually

[hollow lagoon]

put rouge, bench sg and run scar trina

[tropic summit]

hmmmm

[hollow lagoon]

use like

redhood b3 or something idk whatever pilgrim tier

[tropic summit]

naga and ein slottable somehow?

[versed mesa]

@tropic summit Okay finally have people attacking the rookie team now. Old SP rival before shuffle hit me 3 times and won 2 which makes sense since he is 40 synchro ahead and has heavily invested in PvP. The other is the current C2. He lost 3 times before getting a win on the 4th

[hollow lagoon]

like scar liter trina hood/ein flex maybe

flex can be xlude

[tropic summit]

she aint built

[hollow lagoon]

mihara

[tropic summit]

aint built

but got it, 4 teams out of 5 are optimal, gonna roll

[hollow lagoon]

scar trina tove sdoro soline

the

weird ass shit kind of deal

or

u know u can try scar trina label hood soline

[tropic summit]

tell this mf to stay still and stop dissapearing

[hollow lagoon]

Get use to it kind of deal

anyways @tropic summit

[versed mesa]

Lol, he copied my defense but swapped SWHA out and put NeonOS in

[broken quest]

https://www.blablalink.com/shiftyspad/nikke-list

[tropic summit]

you're gapped, move on to next opponent

aim for ppl that have around 2400k-2500k CP to at least be within range

[broken quest]

that's the least cp ahah

[tropic summit]

then that's it, not much to do here

[broken quest]

ggs

[tropic summit]

ch7-ch10 all on around same CP as that?

maybe you took breaks and fell off a bit in progression? else they all dolphin-ing

[broken quest]

they have more i think, this guy is ch7

[broken quest]

nah no break, just new ppl after reset i think

[hollow lagoon]

dont

[broken quest]

Think i used to beat drunky, just with different teams, they had more cp i think.

[glad meteor]

<@&1450788368702111765>

That sentence kinda need to be setup on a alert

If possible

[lunar pawn]

lock ele or reroll everything

[versed mesa]

In the long run, it will cost way more rocks to lock lines 1 and/or 2, instead of getting a solid line 3 to lock instead.

[strange linden]

how good is neon in pvp?

[warm monolith]

@tropic summit

[versed mesa]

Is that Tetra specific tower or the main? The Manufacturer specific bosses are tuned way more favorably because of the limited options.

[tropic summit]

garbo

[keen vapor]

Dang

[oak hatch]

How about this? Lock ammo and ele or just ammo?

[keen vapor]

How to make a good defense Rail san

[warm monolith]

Main tower, with crown/cindy/rapirh/naga/tmoran im in 26% in deficit

[keen vapor]

Suggested changes didn't make it

[warm monolith]

Also it says 57% stat penalty but idk what it means

[keen vapor]

Well, more than good is required on my bracket apparently

[versed mesa]

No Anis? Her buffs should be pretty beastly.

[warm monolith]

I have who should i replace with?

[hollow lagoon]

@tropic summit

[versed mesa]

Ammo is okay, and since the ele is already blue, I think locking both might be okay, but line 2 having anything on reroll only has 50% chance, and then that being atk, is even lower.

[warm monolith]

Wait they didn't have added gacha neon skin?

[keen vapor]

[tropic summit]

666

[hollow lagoon]

Idk if satan will spawn

[tropic summit]

https://klipy.com/gifs/summoning-2--k01KQNFA689G9XD4J56W7S504M6

[keen vapor]

You're missing Modernia core 6 btw

[oak hatch]

I see, so what would u personally do lock both or just start rolling from 2?

[hollow lagoon]

[versed mesa]

Replacing Moran would prevent the re-enter on Anis, or you could replace Naga and just put Anis to the right of Moran so Moran is the B1 and Anis off-burst, though the damage would be way less than Anis B1

[warm monolith]

Oh you meant new anis? I mean, i have her but not THAT built, also her cp is still low even i have her SR doll 15 it will cause me to get into more deficit

[undone blaze]

Noir worth it over RRH? the team would lose about 11k cp. The SWHA is supposed to be Anistar

[versed mesa]

Hmm... I would probably lock both, atleast for a few rolls. It is Rng heavy anyway on what you get. If very limited on rocks, I might only lock ammo. If you get the ele and attack on lines 1 and 2, it is much easier to roll for higher values later

[versed mesa]

Of course I mean new Anis and yeah even with a cp hit her buffs are just so strong. Only issue could be survival at higher deficit.

That said Summer Anis is one of my go to electric units, she beefs damage a lot too

[oak hatch]

thanks

[warm monolith]

Actually anis as burst 1 re enter gives health buffs right maybe she could work (also why do we actually get so many perfect burst 1 units lol)

[fast nest]

I doubt 20b safe

[versed mesa]

Yeah, although then you lose out on the giga attack buffs. But if your damage is enough without it and MoranT buffs give you enough damage it can work too

[warm monolith]

Off topic but i need solo raid teams

[charred quail]

It’s safe for global. Trust

[lunar pawn]

What are the cs % breakpoints for stanis?

[lone sequoia]

she is limited by your own units... but 2 cs should be fine for most of the teams, not sure if you ask about 4RL or 5RL comps (?)

[lunar pawn]

Was wondering just that, aiming for 2 cs 2 ammo

[south karma]

guys any ideas on beating this comp? siren's stun is too slow, and i tried
sw/blanc/trina/rosanna/jackal
jackal/besti/ada/blanc/crown
both died to their surviving moran
tried scarlet as well, can kill sw but the rest of their team still wins :d

[lone sequoia]

my helmT have 15% my emi sucks, but both units have cs for tt +17% limit, for more cs helmT or emi i think she can go faster, the problem is that she need ammo... a lot (+4atk-ele), and her reload timing is weird if you plan to go indom, so 1cs-3ammo, 2-2 or 3-1 should be fine, if you go with 2 ammo try to reload before full burst end

[lone sequoia]

vesti* not the real besti the besto
why don't you try indom swha+ vesti sub dps(?)

[south karma]

small issue with hp

[lone sequoia]

mmmm

probably rapu stun (?) something like rapu/nayuta/lib/soline and flex

[south karma]

meanwhile i tried sth i found on nga moran/mihara/bay/biscuit/cindy
mihara and biscuit dies before burst but moran bay cindy survives to burst, cindy and moran kills their surviving moran after like a whole minute

[south karma]

rapu stun?

[hollow lagoon]

Op hax damage

[lone sequoia]

what was the flex for rapu stun against moran/noah/shwa?

[hollow lagoon]

I donnnnno

[lone sequoia]

crown flex should work then...

[lone sequoia]

i thought you like lib

[hollow lagoon]

Wrong fish

[lone sequoia]

blanc/nayuta...

[lone sequoia]

siren?

[hollow lagoon]

I Wouldent know

[tropic summit]

you need enough dmg with vestiTU indom to pop both biscuit stacks on p1 and p2, you can use vestiTU + lappy if both have atk%, or a vestiTU with bsoda if well invested

[lone sequoia]

rapu stun time...

[hollow lagoon]

How would I know how to do anything for rapunzel stun if my swha erase my opponents

She fire a shot and opponent team’s dead

[tropic summit]

i dunno they're all low hitters minus swha, kicking rapu into below 20% seems undoable here unless she's not built

[lone sequoia]

p1 should be fine

[tropic summit]

rather pick the vestiTU + flex to bring both moran and noah into biscuit HP threshold

rapu is a big variable here

[lone sequoia]

@south karma rookie or sp?

[tropic summit]

up to him to which route to take either way, based on invested units

[south karma]

rookie, though they are using the same team in sp; not really trying to beat them in sp atm tho

[lone sequoia]

still first week, can you test rapu/blanc/lib/crown/soline?

[tropic summit]

just noticed he can also slow lib or slow cindy

• blanc midhara biscuit cindy anisTT
• blanc crown lib rapunzel biscuit

lots of options

[violet coral]

whats a good team, for rookie and another for sp (dont have to be the same

[lone sequoia]

i would test tt indom+mihara

[violet coral]

I got almost every nikke except limiteds

[tropic summit]

hard to indom anisTT, what do you've in mind?

[lone sequoia]

you show your box when you ask teams, try to do it in horizontal+power

[tropic summit]

refer to these:
#pvp-arena message

prefer 2RL and 2.5RL teams with swha/vestiTU/anisTT

[south karma]

it works :0

[lone sequoia]

tt p1, fast team is not enough dmg for shwa to hit mihara p5

[lone sequoia]

no video?

at least they got stunned?

[tropic summit]

4RL midhara probably dies to swha in time

[violet coral]

what is anistt?

[tropic summit]

new unit, go get her if you didn't yet

[violet coral]

Ahh i just got her too thats fire

[tropic summit]

@lone sequoia interesting setup tho

[runic spear]

wanna rebuild my SP teams, have Treasure for all relevant Nikke, and Centi is bricked
https://www.blablalink.com/shiftyspad/nikke-list?uid=MjkwODAtNjcxMTIyMjA2NjI3MzA4Mzg3NQ%3D%3D

[lone sequoia]

2~3RL comp i think can just work there, wait for biscuit S2 after noah burst

[south karma]

sorry didnt record xD stun procced into my side burst, only their noah survives

[austere marsh]

Whats the status on Neon for PvP?

[lone sequoia]

that team only works because swha was b3, in case of helmT variant as main b3 you have to use a different team

[south karma]

makes sense since sw backloads her dmg ?

[lone sequoia]

use her if you want, not important for some pvp players since they should have better units, she have some synergies but is just player style... you can still win with her if you want.
better unit for pve players since they don't have all the units a pvp main have, her dmg is decent to good post burst, but 0 pre-burst, you can also use her with noah against some nuke teams and save vesti if you need for a different team, but vesti is just better at the same time you can just use tt and invest heavy on her to take the dps role (more uses, more teams)

[lone sequoia]

they waste too much time with swha charged attack

[violet coral]

so wait can i use def teams as attack or?

[tropic summit]

if you don't know what you doing, use them for both

you generally make teams on the spot for attack to counter w/e you facing

[tropic summit]

SP arena

• nayuta anisTT privT helmT drakeT
• noise siren swha pepper noah
• jackal lib neonOS blanc laplaceT (vigor on laplaceT)

Notes

• build up your vestiTU, blanc, biscuit and moran to improve your teams

real pepper believer tho

[runic spear]

I'm gonna be real Pepper is there by sheer accident

[tropic summit]

gotta make use of that CP

[runic spear]

like I don't think her lines are even that good for her, it's just bloated lines

[cedar sorrel]

Isnt pepper like kinda fine for pvp

[lone sequoia]

people will forget about scar... so she should be in a better state, do you remember ssakura+pepper combo?

[cedar sorrel]

Nope I am not OG at all

[lone sequoia]

can we make tt+og doro work?

[uncut crown]

After Attack and Charge Speed, would Crit rate be useful for Liberalio?

[lone sequoia]

not sure if tt can reach the dmg of doro burst

[tropic summit]

good ol 2024

[tropic summit]

how long does it take for doro to trigger

after casting

[cedar sorrel]

Filler. Ud want ele more for kraken and the like

[lone sequoia]

crit rate is a must in every game for units that are multi hits, here should be fine, can increase your base dmg in some cases, but that is more about teams... still after ele/atk/ some cs-ammo-crit rate, the best is to build for pve and in case the unit work in pvp, just give 1 or 2 lines to that

[lone sequoia]

at the end of full burst or if you reach the cap

[fair pivot]

Does Noah landing a rocket after Moran steal the taunt? might have siren bricked mine with too high CS

[lone sequoia]

was the same with maxwell or sw+ og doro combo

[lone sequoia]

moran have attract on last hit and burst, noah taunt on charged atk, taunt have priority, but i'm not sure if they swap aggro after moran burst

[placid bloom]

Doro also triggers on target death

so if whoever is marked dies, it will explode

[lone sequoia]

ty

it was dead target, not dmg cap (?)

[uncut crown]

@lone sequoia @cedar sorrel Alright, thank you!

[placid bloom]

no the damage cap doesn't matter for explosion timing

it will just stop stacking until either the target dies or FB ends

FB ending is usually too difficult to achieve though

[tropic summit]

@lone sequoia that said if p1 dies you can proc it earlier, although on nowdays teams p1 is generally always alive

maybe one day we'll be able to use og doro

[lone sequoia]

cp gap+SGs

[tropic summit]

try these

look at that team and see if you can burst with any other anis but the B1

[thorny sequoia]

PVP GODS

I got T Moran finally

What's a good Rookie arena team with her?

Moran, Trina, biscuit, THelm, Jackal?

[tropic summit]

moran noah biscuit helmt swha

[thorny sequoia]

Thank you PVP GOD bro 👍👍👍

[tight finch]

Cos anis

Is balance

[lone sequoia]

tt power

[tropic summit]

ye kosmiu slackin'

then again i also can't be bothered adding a line on a .xls

[keen vapor]

Hey

[undone blaze]

Are there any improvements I can make to my teams? Both are 2 RL. Also anything I can scrounge up for team 3? Rn i'm using whatever high cp units I have left over, but they have 0 burst. Would be nice to see what I should work towards. https://www.blablalink.com/shiftyspad/nikke-list?uid=MjkwODAtNDgxMjUzMDI3ODA5MjQ4MjE2NQ%3D%3D&openid=MjkwODAtNDgxMjUzMDI3ODA5MjQ4MjE2NQ%3D%3D

[tropic summit]

is helm treasured?

[undone blaze]

Yes but on stage 2

[tropic summit]

ok i think you can make 3 teams

[hollow lagoon]

@tropic summit is neon good?

Oh right

[umbral crown]

Firepower god

[hollow lagoon]

[tropic summit]

run these

[lone sequoia]

with your cp advantage she can wipe the enemy team

[tropic summit]

in pvp? mid
in pve? yes

[hollow lagoon]

Atleast she can guarantee the indom target when linked I suppposr

[tropic summit]

https://klipy.com/gifs/its-something-here-you-go--k01KQNPNW399MW5XAEB4SKYFEY0

[lone sequoia]

i think the last time i saw that was around 2011

[tidal lichen]

@hollow lagoon kill her.

[undone blaze]

My cp takes a beating, but a lot of it was inflated from t3 ig. 243k > 231k (Cindy) | 272k > 204k (Vesti) | 250k > 218k (T3), but it should even out after I OL some of the gear i think...which should take a while

Also my Moran isn't treasured

[glacial haven]

May someone give me a tip on what to do? I'm kinda experimenting on him, but, I'm not being very successful.

https://tenor.com/view/crystal-beg-gif-19603839

For the sake of comparison, I was running these. But it began not being very reliable.

And, by some manner, he mirrored my teams and I can't find a proper counter. (Nayuta team)

[lone sequoia]

no biscuit?

[umbral crown]

@tropic summit smh... i have been having a hard time dealin with this comp and the answer was so ez, i just had to do a mirror

[glacial haven]

But now, I'm really struggling with his Annis team.

[lone sequoia]

probably can use tt p1 and neon´p3+biscuit p4, p5 flex or speed buffer

[quick lake]

we need an OP iron pvp unit. Too many eletric units

[lone sequoia]

tt is too broken, you can try to play indom there... or just stall with helmT b3, still need to kill privaty before stun

[lone sequoia]

iron scar

post number202

[quick lake]

soon hopefully

[lone sequoia]

is your time to give him teams

[glacial haven]

I already throw a Rossana on his Privaty. I can nuke her easyly.

[lone sequoia]

probably noah+lib if you can oneshot anis and skip biscuit S2...

[glacial haven]

My T2 can win very reliably. So.... The struggle is on T1 and T3.

[quick lake]

I dont like cooking attacks, need to assume they have bad invest

[lone sequoia]

yeah, that happen often, that is why i always recommend synergies instead of teams

[quick lake]

yeah. We should really pin kosmiu’s pvp guide

[glacial haven]

Well.....I do have the PvP units somewhat invested

Just a few exceptions like Emilia or that kind.

[lone sequoia]

why no helmT+cindy T2? swha+vesti is overkill and at the same time they can lose against a better rosanna

[glacial haven]

Like... My batteries have the CS lines. (I dont remeber the minimum % for being a good battery)

[glacial haven]

Somehow, my Vesti can endure a Rossana.

[lone sequoia]

no biscuit?

you can try with the move to tt p1/blanc/neon/biscuit/flex (speed) T1
keep T2 if you want
and something like a speed+bayT+lib against tt comp

and if you lose, we get good info

[glacial haven]

Let me cook something then.

I will post here before anything else.

[lone sequoia]

if you use lib against tt comp try to use snipers and low dmg supports, to not proc biscuit on anis

[glacial haven]

Something like this, maybe?

Neon's totally negotiable.

[lone sequoia]

now that i think about it... indom xmaiden can win

[quick lake]

would be fun if we had some sort of weekly pvp puzzle All synced lock, using trial units

[lone sequoia]

dead mode after a month, people just hate pvp, the system here is too toxic and SU will give bad rewards to not make you waste your time making it a dead mode from the beginning

still better than CA

[quick lake]

stinky shiftup

[glacial haven]

Alright. I put the quantum on XMaiden just for the sake of burst gen.

[lone sequoia]

i was talking about the enemy team

[glacial haven]

Oh, right. My bad.

[glacial haven]

So.... I run these?

[lone sequoia]

i would like to test that, but probably lose

[glacial haven]

For the sake of science, and your help, I will give it a go.

No luck

[lone sequoia]

yep, too slow and vesti land her burst before blanc, misindom

i forgot about rosanna snipe hit p1 if only 1 attacker...

[glacial haven]

Don't bother it.

It happens

[remote thunder]

Can somebody here help?

[lone sequoia]

the other option is to chip T2 with mirror+ vesti rosanna
nayuta/laplace/emi/vesti/rosanna T2 (you must kill centi with vesti)
jackal/blanc/shwa/biscuit/flex T1
noah/tt/helmT/lib/flex T3

[glacial haven]

There's is another option to Emilia? I dont have her.

[lone sequoia]

probably a different team, now that i think i hate mirror nayuta

[quick lake]

where the 3rd team

[lone sequoia]

did you try siren against anis team? that looks slow...

[north brook]

This would work if it was slower tbh

[glacial haven]

According this... Siren's stun can work.

[lone sequoia]

yep, my bad i didn't check vesti burst timing

[remote thunder]

i just ignored it cuz it was the team with the highest cp

[remote thunder]

basically that isnt very important since i just need to target to two teams with lower cp

[lone sequoia]

how much ele dmg your vesti have?

[remote thunder]

and my roster has all my nikkes included

[quick lake]

T2 is really very tough.
Moran Noah Biscuit Helm SWHA

T3: Just auto 5x highest cp RL units and u should win

[remote thunder]

UHh i didnt mean ' every nikke ' but ' every nikke in my roster '

[quick lake]

probably cant win my friend

[remote thunder]

yea grammar problem srry

[quick lake]

The T1 cp deficit might be easier ngl

[remote thunder]

T1 was 30k deficit

i think it was TT comp

not sure which variation was it

[quick lake]

man v tough

[remote thunder]

ok

[glacial haven]

No Emi, unfortunately.

[remote thunder]

Besides is NeonOS SS or S in PvP?

[quick lake]

could try pure auto on T2. Hopefully CP gaps

[quick lake]

A prydwen’s pvp rankings out tentatively. and I agreep

[remote thunder]

[remote thunder]

[quick lake]

Midneon

[glacial haven]

~83%

[lone sequoia]

forget about those teams, there are many comps you can try, but i don't know, not sure if some of your units can tank, like use 2RL noah/vesti to kill enemy noah p2 but i'm not sure if you have the dmgg to kill moran with trina burst

[glacial haven]

His moran is quite tough. Certainly has some DEF lines on her. As for Vesti, I can pretty much kill some noah's. But still.... We gotta experiment to see what work and what not.

[lone sequoia]

what do you think about
noah/rumani/biscuit/vesti/laplace
noise/rapu/bayT/helmT/jackal (linked noise-helmt)
nayuta/anis/centi/privaty/siren

[glacial haven]

We could try

I will just need to check on how i will make Noise to link. One sec

[lone sequoia]

i also forgot indom+swha...

[glacial haven]

Just checked. Rapunzel is getting linked

[lone sequoia]

something like jackal/blanc/cindy/shwa/helmt...

or neon p1...

neon/blanc/swha/helmt/jackal is your link swha+ another dps?

[lone sequoia]

check neon/blanc/swha/helmT/jackal in shooting range

[glacial haven]

Yep.

Probally the link will fall on SW and Helm. But I need to check before hand

[lone sequoia]

neon link would be great

[glacial haven]

Yep. Helm and SW linked

[lone sequoia]

ok

i think that will be tricky, rosanna dispel 2 highest atk units, not sure if you can keep the correct indom in swha

but if both are the same speed, rosanna can just kill the 2nd b3

so... neon/blanc/helmT/shwa/jackal (?)

[glacial haven]

Well.... in theory.... I'm faster

[lone sequoia]

that was for T2

nayuta/anis for T3

[glacial haven]

I believe neon will die, and the indom will fall on SW. That's my best bet.

[umbral crown]

The privatt team is one i see in my rookie from a cn boi

[lone sequoia]

rosy what do you think?

[umbral crown]

Neon is likely getting indom

[lone sequoia]

against rosanna comp

[umbral crown]

[lone sequoia]

noah/rumani/biscuit/vesti/laplace
neon/blanc/helmT/swha/jackal
nayuta/anis/centi/privaty/siren

[lone sequoia]

@umbral crown against these teams

[glacial haven]

Still faster

[umbral crown]

96% to 2 Rl, some quatums and they become 2

• cs

[umbral crown]

I think should work

[glacial haven]

Mine as well. But I'm almost sure I have more CS lines than him. (Spent too much crystals on it)

[lone sequoia]

T3 lose if anis have more than 15 cs, can skip siren stun

[glacial haven]

I dont believe she has those CS lines. She is way too strong/meta to require those lines.

[lone sequoia]

every time i see the T3 i said i think is worse xd

probably the stun is not enough, they tank and b1-b2 then win

unless blanc die before burst

[glacial haven]

Well. I belive Siren's stun would work. The gap is way too big, between stun and his B1.

[lone sequoia]

re-enter can help to delay privaty and get more time with the stun

[glacial haven]

Don't bother. Honestly, I appreciate and thank you for your help.

[umbral crown]

Also longer indom

[glacial haven]

@lone sequoia

[lone sequoia]

different teams?

[glacial haven]

https://tenor.com/view/cat-thumbs-up-thumbs-up-cat-thumbs-up-meme-gif-5676038700371371386

[glacial haven]

Nop. Your team

[lone sequoia]

so... the 2 most experimental teams won

[glacial haven]

Yep....

One sec. Will post the replay

[umbral crown]

See, original cooks always work

[lone sequoia]

probably a slower team+buffer for T3 work, keep your OG comp for T2 and try again with indom team, this time anis/blanc/jackal/biscuit/b3...

[lone sequoia]

i'm just thinking on random teams...

[glacial haven]

Gosh.... Was a manslaughter

Again... His Moran is stupidly durable. So yeah...

[lone sequoia]

keep your T2, that was too risky

[glacial haven]

Do you think? I think it won with some safety margin.

[lone sequoia]

is your t2 the same speed with laplace instead of swha?

to use something like
tt/blanc/jackal/biscuit/swha
moran/noah/vesti/laplace/rumani
nayuta/mirandaT/privaty/siren/helmT

[glacial haven]

Dunno. Gotta check

[lone sequoia]

just keep the T3 and your T2

i'm sorry for wasting your time, it is just that i'm thinking about random teams

[glacial haven]

Honestly. Don't worry. I'm thankful for your time and patience.

[glacial haven]

Still 2RL

[vocal kelp]

@tropic summit SENSEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEI!!

its neo-neon also pvp meta?

[lost ether]

[swift mango]

where cindy?

[heady ermine]

Is there a build that can completely crush this one?

[swift mango]

siren+blanc+Libby+helm+Jackal

[keen vapor]

Hello

[quick lake]

Hello

[heady ermine]

Is this the right lineup?

[raven plover]

what if siren explode

[swift mango]

uhm, maybe not using helm but Anis instead

[swift mango]

hello

[heady ermine]

This is Anis, right? I think that’s probably it.

[umbral crown]

people should call her T.T.Anis

[keen vapor]

Hey, why you point at me

[covert lintel]

AnisS would be less troublesome

[floral kiln]

how is OsNeon in pvp?

[lone nebula]

What's a team comp that can win against this team?

[quick lake]

midneon

[floral kiln]

ggs

[umbral crown]

Firepower god

[umbral crown]

nah, just T.T.Anis Ma Cheris

[umbral crown]

maybe... Noah/Biscuit/T.T.Anis/HelmT/SnowHA

or also the indom route:
T.T.Anis/Blanc/SnowHA/Biscuit/Moran

[heady ermine]

No matter what happens, no one can beat this lineup. 100%

Other than grinding through levels

[umbral crown]

you have T.T.Anis?

[minor egret]

@hidden mortar Just so you know they're wasting their second hit on me and you just got attacked

[hidden mortar]

evil

[umbral crown]

@hidden mortar

do not get attacked

[hidden mortar]

I was watching evo japan, thy got me while I'm distracted

[heady ermine]

It works, but even when I added anise, it didn't work at all.

[umbral crown]

but what was the whole team comp

[minor egret]

It's on? I should watch too. Just finished with SR, took forever

[umbral crown]

if something a bit old then... Jackal/Siren/VestiTactical/SnowHA/Noah

[heady ermine]

Is this the one I'm supposed to use? I tried a bunch of different things, and this was the last one I tried, but it didn't work.

[hidden mortar]

tekken 8 grand finals just ended

I'm waiting to se the kunimitsu trailer

[tropic summit]

no she bad, you can ignore for pvp

[umbral crown]

try this instead

you should win just ez

[tropic summit]

when you mirror, you know you gave up

[umbral crown]

tried lot of different teams but no luck

had to use the dirty move

[minor egret]

That's too bad

[umbral crown]

[vocal kelp]

oh, unfortunate

[tropic summit]

~~against their moran

• jackal blanc swha ada helmT (swha and helmt assumed linked, helmt higher HP than SWHA)

against their nayuta

• moran anisTT cindy emilia/laplaceT noah~~

nvm i see Nesso solved it down the line

[minor egret]

Actually I think I lost a tier of CS on one of her lines and ended up losing some damage despite improving a bit on ele/atk. Charge speed is so ugh...

[keen vapor]

So this is the anis team huh

[umbral crown]

one of the many variations with re enter

[tropic summit]

one of the many anisTT teams

[keen vapor]

[tropic summit]

if it makes you feel better, my best chinnit in my bracket also hit a wall

[umbral crown]

there are also teams with my own star

[minor egret]

Every team wish she was an anisTT team

[umbral crown]

[tropic summit]

everyone be strugglin' against anisTT

[umbral crown]

now imma show you rail the future

[keen vapor]

Man, I wish that were me

[tropic summit]

almost as if the unit itself is kinda broken

[keen vapor]

[tropic summit]

it can be you, get in the kitchen

[umbral crown]

tis is the future, Neo Neon

[tropic summit]

and then siren comes in, and bye bye neonOS B3, hello neonOS offburst

[keen vapor]

Idk how to cook with new ingredients I'm still missing Label btw

[tropic summit]

you need to move neonOS away from p1

then the team is fine

[umbral crown]

[keen vapor]

I tried using my vouchers, discounted pull, every mold I could buy

No label so far

[heady ermine]

We managed to win by the skin of our teeth. To be honest, I thought we were in trouble… Thank you all.

[umbral crown]

[tropic summit]

label for what

[umbral crown]

for scar

[tight finch]

Anis may as well be money printer with amount of gems people throw around now you can auto win

[keen vapor]

PVP? Defense? Raid?

[tropic summit]

is she even needed

[umbral crown]

kinda, we going crazy on her banner

[keen vapor]

No...

[keen vapor]

Rosy, those 2 drained my gems

[minor egret]

I'm on my way to 700 pulls on her banner, just waiting on the free pulls to end to throw my gems at it

[keen vapor]

Lord almighty

[umbral crown]

same here, i had to tix Neo Neon... 120 and nothing, on T.T.Anis im at 300

[umbral crown]

best i would go is 440 on T.T.Anis then wishlist the rest

[minor egret]

I got 4 copies so far, below average but it is what it is

[umbral crown]

i got mlb in 300, i just tixed her x2 some hours ago

[tight finch]

More just how easy they make it to attack now so more people gemming

[keen vapor]

Oh I thought you were closer to core max

[minor egret]

Neon was mileage for me. Thing is the last rewards are better (x15 and x20 tickets) so it's just better to focus on one and mileage the other

[umbral crown]

but but... yeah... thing is we lacking some gems actually since T.T.Anis banner is up

Firepower god saving Missilis tower along with Ein

[keen vapor]

Last rewards have like 100 pulls between each stage

[tight finch]

Sound logic if they didnt just gold ticket 1 copy buy skin and resume gemming

[umbral crown]

you not wrong

[tropic summit]

https://klipy.com/gifs/tom-hardy-mad-max--k01KQP59HQFDXW26NMT48ECA125

[umbral crown]

i can not go more than lv10, after that is just for people like Echo

[keen vapor]

Why are there Mustang nikkes in the back rail

[minor egret]

Want to laugh? First floor I added her resulted in my first operation failed on auto since months. It was volleyballs

[tropic summit]

[umbral crown]

waos

[minor egret]

She does damage but I kind of miss Quency on regular stages

[keen vapor]

You better miss Moran treasure

Oh wait, tetra

[minor egret]

Already replaced by Anis in Tetra

[keen vapor]

[keen vapor]

I still need another 2 teams

Give

[umbral crown]

well my bois, libe already said the thing

[minor egret]

Me top left

[umbral crown]

cook

[keen vapor]

A Noah team, a Blanc team

But I always struggle with the last

[umbral crown]

peaksolute team

[minor egret]

Slower indom too, no?

The last one alive win

[keen vapor]

If only I had those limit breaks

[umbral crown]

you could if you spend some jims

[minor egret]

I wish I had mlb Emilia

[umbral crown]

im just running some weird teams since things are chill here

[minor egret]

Started at the end of her banner, always funny to see people in my brackets who didn't get her back then

[umbral crown]

there once a boi who bought her gacha skin but did not get her

[keen vapor]

Been doing so

[umbral crown]

coping with me with Re zero rerun

[minor egret]

They have that issue where they don't sign for reruns but give actual good kits to collab

[umbral crown]

ou will get there ma cheris

im still waiting for my emi gacha skin rerun

[tropic summit]

booly

[severe tundra]

@tropic summit
Vesti got the indom but it turned into Blanc vs Moran (which Moran obviously won)
Any suggestions?

[minor egret]

Next anime season surely

[umbral crown]

not me

[tropic summit]

so you got into FB with vestiTU and you didn't kill them during FB?

[severe tundra]

That is correct

[tropic summit]

what are vestiTU OLs

and can you run

jackal blanc vestiTU ada helmT

[minor egret]

How did Moran survive Vesti + Blanc bust damage taken?

Feels like she should have died before the indom ends

[severe tundra]

Not great lol

[tropic summit]

do you've ada and how's your SWHA

[severe tundra]

I have Ada but she's even worse (at least she has OL)
SWHA probably better

[tropic summit]

we only need her as offburst buffer

you've 2 (or 3 if link allow) options next

• jackal blanc vestiTU ada helmT
• swha blanc rh centi jackal

alternatively:

• swha blanc rh vestiTU jackal (if SWHA and RH stay linked, can check in shooting range, SWHA lowest HP in link)
• swha blanc vestiTU RH jackal (if swha and vestiTU linked, SWHA lowest HP in link)

if your vestiTU has no ammo OL, run the latter

[severe tundra]

vesti

[tropic summit]

centi can be subbed for vestiTU if your SWHA retains link with vestiTU present

[minor egret]

Ada is just here to give her skill 1 to Besti

[tropic summit]

ok she's only short of 1 ammo line actually, you probably stopped shooting mid-FB

[severe tundra]

she has the ammo cube that makes her ammo divisible by 4

[tropic summit]

run the above with either ada or swha on double buffs or with vestiTU offburst after ensuring links and you should lethal

[severe tundra]

Ima try this

[tropic summit]

swha and vestiTU linked ye?

[severe tundra]

vesti sw link, swha lower hp

[tropic summit]

perfect

[severe tundra]

Nice

Thanks Railtracer

[tropic summit]

no problemo, fix vestiTU ammo whenever you can, as she's still needed to deal with eventually moran noah + biscuit

you can keep ada as an option for rainy days if you need extra buffing

@swift mango @gaunt pulsar @placid bloom this is expected ye? anisTT offburst still gives more raw numbers than ada?

crit and non crit for reference with anisTT included

[placid bloom]

what is this

1 shot of SWHA?

[tropic summit]

testing single B3 from SWHA with no extra offburst buffers, ada offburst and anisTT offburst

[north brook]

Since thats redhood, anis would be better since she adds atk dmg

[tropic summit]

yeah i was thinking about that, would make sense

[placid bloom]

but there's a Jackal, which turns off Atk dmg buff

[north brook]

For vesti ada always best

[placid bloom]

she needs to be solo B1 to have Atk dmg team buff

[north brook]

But tbh anis solo b1 is really where its at

[placid bloom]

her non-solo B1 buff is team heal

wait nvm

she has 2 Atk dmg buff

[north brook]

Broken unit

[placid bloom]

nah my eye just bad

[tropic summit]

ran a few tests without RH, i'm getting drastically lower numbers

[placid bloom]

the solo B1 is not atk dmg, it's atk

[tropic summit]

but it's anisTT re-enter ofc, due to jackal for links

in this case running her offburst is actually quite profitable

with RH as main B1

[placid bloom]

but yeah as off burst it's 34% atk dmg vs Ada's uh... 60% caster Atk? Which is diluted by SWHA self Atk and also RH Atk

[tropic summit]

oh interesting

guess we can hyperbuff indom swha with more tools now

[hidden mortar]

just realized, nayuta dude is getting a little carefree with his gems cuz he lost to me a couple times before winning then hit you

[placid bloom]

realistically the lifesteal on Ada also doesn't come up too, you take way too much damage in PvP to outheal it

you always exit indom with 1 HP

[tropic summit]

well this is more of an attack team where you gotta pump up swha with %dmg

i think the lifesteal variant on def is a bit safer

and ofc in CA

[north brook]

Ya u need to drop jackal so she doesnt nerf anis

[placid bloom]

it eats Biscuit though

Idk if you want to give Biscuit to someone else

[north brook]

Tbh the reenter feels mostly designed to nerf her kit lol

[tropic summit]

try these next, running them myself and won against equal invest twice

• moran helmt swha noah biscuit
• jackal nayuta trina cindy laplaceT/emilia
• anisTT vestiTU rapunzel drakeT/laplaceT/emilia blanc

i've an opponent that forces me to regularly change defs every 1 or 2 days, so i've a few

[limber bluff]

Hello, just re-dl back nikke, like to get some help with an update for my novice and special arena team comp. thanks

[scarlet adder]

Thank you, thank you, thank you it worked !

[tropic summit]

hmm scarlet and s.anis... blanc p1 on a non 2RL team... jackal noah and biscuit together in the same team... yeah these need updates

[scarlet adder]

so snow white indom > vesti indom vs noah moran bisc? or just depends on investments i guess?

[tropic summit]

SP Arena

• nayuta anisTT helmT drakeT SBS
• jackal siren cindy blanc vestiTU
• moran swha noir noah RH

Rookie

• nayuta anisTT helmT SWHA cindy

Notes

• pvp core units badly need SR5-SR15 asap:
  noah, biscuit, jackal, noise, blanc
• build up vestiTU better asap
• consider treasuring laplace
• get teams updated again once the above are better built

[tropic summit]

vs moran noah biscuit, depending where the defenders are placed, you'll need to punish with either of the two or at least have enough splash to hit biscuit stacks pre enemy 2RL B2, that way during FB your indom cannot be stalled out of 10s

commonly if moran noah biscuit, with moran and noah in p1 and p2, vestiTU alone can be enough
when not enough, you can combo her with emilia or laplaceT

alternatively bsoda or drakeT can also push moran into biscuit's threshold pre burst

[grand plaza]

Is NeonOS good for pvp?

[tropic summit]

no she's garbo, can build her for pve

[scarlet adder]

lol Anis xD

[grand plaza]

If we cast her burst gen aside, can she be a decent p5 if we are 2rl already?

[scarlet adder]

and they put Neon in S so not awful

[scarlet adder]

does she attack p1 and p2?

but they might have put her in S cause of her weird invi niche

[grand plaza]

Why not

[scarlet adder]

dunno 😄 she doesn't reach p3 i guess?

[grand plaza]

Not sure

[tropic summit]

she's a copium kind of vestiTU/RRH hybrid, as in during FB at least she can hit all 5 positions for ok-ish damage

needs a lot of buffers and massive burst gen from her teammates tho

expensive to slot her in and even use her properly

[grand plaza]

I am looking something the replace Diesel

[tropic summit]

change it to

moran noah biscuit vestiTU trina

[grand plaza]

Just Ada I guess

[tropic summit]

noah in p2 without biscuit is a death wish

and your team can be solo'ed by swha indom unless biscuit protected

else add gimmics (sustain/stun) to make it a tad more expensive to deal with

positioning regardless is still off, so you can already at least adjust to:

moran noah trina vestiTU diesel, while this still retains initial weakness, at least vestiTU is away from splash range

[grand plaza]

Yeah thats fair

Overall I think teamwise its pretty decent tho

[tropic summit]

hmm passing grade ye, fix T3 positioning rest could work

• T1 you'll want to move blanc away from p3 asap once you've more options
• T2 for the most part is sort of OK, although 2 water codes can be deleted by rosanna
• T3 this team badly wants biscuit, so consider moving her once you've more options for a T2

[grand plaza]

Too much to think

I can replace Centi with Rumani, put Blanc p4

Idk if Anis is safe enough if I move biscuit to 3rd team, maybe I can go for Helm - nayuta- anis etc?

[tropic summit]

• nayuta anisTT privT helmT clipSG/clipRL tier flex

the rumani option would indeed let you move blanc in p4 at least

[teal ledge]

Hey rail what’s a good sub for Ada? @tropic summit

[tropic summit]

if you run the nayuta option above, remember to ensure your nayuta is siren resistant @grand plaza

you can always check via https://nikke.top/

on a rule of thumb, 8%CS on helmT anisTT and laplaceT/emilia will be enough

if you can't slot a laplaceT/emilia, any clipRL on 8-11%CS should also suffice

this opens up biscuit to be used with your moran noah team, which can drastically mitigate indoms

[tropic summit]

there's not really such a thing, ada kit is unique, no other offburst gives you lifesteal and %dmg buffs

you could slot anisTT offburst but you won't get lifesteal

i ran a similar test earlier:

[teal ledge]

Yeah.. I messed up not pulling her

[tropic summit]

you're not bricked not having her, keep in mind i barely use her myself out of CA

there's a lot of options nowdays to make up for lacking that unit

(in pvp context at least)

[teal ledge]

True. The amount of units they release something will come around to counter

Rosanna is probably a good counter right?

[tropic summit]

situational on what you facing, if anything overall rosanna is great for attack teams and can be useful in defense teams

[teal ledge]

For sure. I got her up to speed now just haven’t experimented that much yet

[fast nest]

I pulled Ada for CA use and maxed her but I used only one time.

[teal ledge]

Word. I see a few people using her but not as much in my bracket

[fast nest]

I know actually many ppl use her. But I dont think it is necessary.

This is just my opinion. Other may have different one.

[teal ledge]

The kit is pretty useful and pesky in the right team

[tiny scroll]

Does label block Rosanna nuke as well?

[teal ledge]

I don’t think she blocks it but weakens electric I think

[fast nest]

What nuke? Burst on ur attacker?

She erase label buff on attackers and nuke on them.

[tiny scroll]

Her nuke that hits 2 enemy attackers

[fast nest]

Good thing of having label is Label would be one of rosanna's buff erase.

So one attacker will keep label's buff.

[glad meteor]

Your label need to have higher atk than one of your attackers so label will be dispelled instead

[grand plaza]

Do I really need that much CS? It looks 2rl without it as well

[tropic summit]

it's not the RL threshold the problem, is being siren weak on your B2 the problem

CS% will give you a slightly faster 2RL, enough to hit B2 before siren can land her stun

[grand plaza]

Oh yeah I forget Nayuta is on first spot now -_-

[tropic summit]

that's the tradeoff to save yourself running p1 B1 but needing biscuit

[limber bluff]

Thanks for your help and advise

[grand plaza]

I don't think I can afford it tbh

My Helm have it but not others

[tropic summit]

that's fine, your teams will be a tad more abusable, that's about it

[grand plaza]

Btw about the first team, is there a risk of Rumani taking too much attack and getting Blanc indom instead?

[tropic summit]

having jackal p1 and linked unit p2 drastically reduces the odds a defender class gets misindommed

your linked units in p1 and p2 take 66% of the dmg, your defender takes 100%, although the only p3 hitters atm are vestiTU, emilia and swha

if they do force misindom that way, your team will at least have forced their hand using those units

[gaunt pulsar]

sounds about right, yea

[tropic summit]

oh that's cool, thanks for confirming

[glad meteor]

Nayuta vesti emi anis flex(2rl)

This team annihilate p1-3?

[grand plaza]

Hmm alright. Lets see how these teams will do.

Overall third team is the weakest, have lower CP and as you said Noah can die, but that has to do for now

[tropic summit]

or absolute

[glad meteor]

[tropic summit]

but ye if they're matching same speed even more so, because nayuta lands pre blanc B2 kicking in

[glad meteor]

[tropic summit]

[tropic summit]

pad it out more, kick it into 2.5RL

[shell hazel]

[grand plaza]

Yeah its 2.5rl

[tame vessel]

hi

[grand plaza]

@tropic summit Can this guy's nayuta possibly one shot me before Blanc O_O

Either that or Lib somehow on steroids

[tame vessel]

holi shit this shit looks like some kind of electric music bro how can u guys even read these

[tropic summit]

if they hit 2RL there's a chance, that team seems to be 3RL or 2.5RL via RH pierce

if they're 2.5RL you're still safe as you are on B3 when they're on B1, meaning you've already indommed swha

any slower and even safer ofc

[grand plaza]

I really can't make it make sense

https://i.imgur.com/mKbU0O2.mp4

[tropic summit]

yep 2RL via pierce and CS%

direct counter to jackal linked indom types

i don't actually like running teams that rely on pierce or high CS%, but ur opponent does and it works

you're forced to deal with it with either a noah biscuit archetype or an anisTT blanc biscuit type team

[grand plaza]

Can Noah Biscuit even deal with that considering everyone dies before b2

Funny thing is I was beating this guy with my previous teams

[tropic summit]

yes it would, what's killing you is being jackal linked here, because your link takes ele weak damage from nayuta, which then gets distributed to your other 2 units

meanwhile, removing jackal and running usual anti nuke without links will keep you safe from followup damage, still won't shield B2 as on same speed nayuta hits before shield is up

but nayuta B2 alone is generally non lethal (assuming no iron code) and assuming we not talking about C7 nayuta on 55%+atk on RH/label/anisTT buff

[tame vessel]

bruh why u burst so fast

u have like 500% cs or wut

[tropic summit]

keep in mind vid above is with my teams which run CS% on helmT noah and biscuit, which prevents nayuta B2 from landing in time, usually the same team won't be shielded from nayuta, but you'll survive the nuke

think i can find a reference

@grand plaza here you go, non CS% reliant anti nuke 2RL

[teal ledge]

You guys think switching out jackal for Rosanna will work against a mirrored team?

[tribal nebula]

Hi... Honestly, I'm starting to get a bit fed up. The guys opposite keep changing their teams and it's a real headache 🥲
Please help 😅

Team 2 is easy win with noah comp

[teal ledge]

Slower indom on 3? Shield bait on 2 probably. Focus on winning 2 rounds and ignore 1

[tropic summit]

against T1

• anisTT blanc privT biscuit helmT

against T2

• noise jackal cindy swha noah
  or
• jackal rumani cindy laplaceT/emilia/lib/xmaiden noah

skip T3

[signal stratus]

Hello,
I’d like some help setting up PvP teams for SP Arena. I mainly play PvE, so I’m not very familiar with what works well in PvP. I’d really appreciate any advice on building effective teams. Thank you!

[tropic summit]

SP arena

• anisTT blanc helmT biscuit emilia
• nayuta centi privT swha rh
• moran siren cindy noah jackal

Notes

• wishlist/build vestiTU
• build up emilia, jackal, blanc, noise, biscuit, noah (priority on noah, jackal and biscuit)
• get teams upgraded again once the above are ready

[signal stratus]

I can build Vesti if needed since I already have her. Which team should she go on?

[tropic summit]

build your jackal and noah first, vesti can come afterward

she'll be turning your current T3 into an indom type and free up moran and noah for a better T2 and T1

[signal stratus]

Does type of cube matter much, or should I use the highest level ones?

[tropic summit]

anisTT tempering
blanc vigor
helmt tempering
biscuit vigor
emilia adjutant/any

nayuta any
centi quantum
privT tempering
swha any
rh any

moran tempering
siren any
cindy any
noah tempering/vigor/any
jackal quantum

[signal stratus]

I have Bastion and Resilience maxed out, the others are around lvl 7

[signal stratus]

Noted. Thank you for the help 🙂

[arctic jewel]

1. Get Tempering to level 15
2. Get Tempering to level 15
3. Get Tempering to level 15

That's how you'll increase the chances of winning in PvP

[quick lake]

tempering to 7/10/13/15 if u wanna be pvp main/investment

[signal stratus]

That will take a while 😉 At this time Tempering is only level 7. Should I still use it, or lvl 15 Bastion/Res before it is leveled up?

[tribal nebula]

Ok thx 👍

[hollow lagoon]

@tropic summit I’ll defeat u one day

https://tenor.com/view/it-is-not-this-day-not-today-lord-of-the-rings-gif-14797074

[tropic summit]

https://klipy.com/gifs/anime-help--k01KQPQD3SJ97WED07YW0R2MV78

[hollow lagoon]

[tribal nebula]

It worked like a charm! However, I really need to learn how to counter specific builds with the right teams... Is there a site that gives examples? (Stall/nuke teams, etc. And a site for burst speeds if possible 😉). I know the meta shifts quite a bit, but I'd like to get some ideas without having to ask for help every time...
Thx again @tropic summit

[tropic summit]

basics:
https://nikke.gg/arena-mechanics/

burst gen:
https://nikke-deck.com/en/deck

keripo tierlist matrix that also explains per unit (outdated, but most pvp core units are in there)
https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/1R6qzhnPx85kEoYidYUs-K0hJy61APMQGj5nRSgdvRUU/edit?gid=0#gid=0

for the rest you can take a look here:
#pvp-arena message

[tribal nebula]

I understand most of the mechanics; it's just the different synergies that take time to fully grasp in the long run.

Ok i will bookmark

[tropic summit]

give a read then to keripo's tierlist matrix

it explains most pvp core unit functionality and why you should use them

[tribal nebula]

Thx a lot Railtracer

[quick lake]

or u can scroll through rail's discord messages

[tribal nebula]

I'm already doing that more or less, just to avoid asking too many questions 😅

[tropic summit]

gonna have like 3 books worth of stuff in there

albeit some of them are gonna be memes, jokes or spicy screenshots of nikke

[low wagon]

could someone put tgt 3 arena teams for me

[tropic summit]

SP arena

• neonOS naga drake liter sugar
• jackal adeB vestiTU OGanis milk:BB
• rupee anisTT siren leona alice

Rookie

• neonOS anisTT vestiTU naga jackal

[low wagon]

this would balance out all three round comps?

[tropic summit]

you've a somewat decent starting box, you can actually form 3 competent team at synchro 140

[low wagon]

my current "best" comp is anis*/bunnyade/neonos/bmilk/vesti:tc

[tropic summit]

needless to say, at that synchro CP has a huge weight, so you could also consolidate to 2 teams and a pad one, but i don't think you need to for now, can run the above

[low wagon]

yeah j pulled bunny ade and vest tc actually

[low wagon]

alright yeahh

[tropic summit]

you're best not putting anisTT in p1 without a biscuit protecting her, so stick to the teams i gave you in #pvp-arena message

losing your only B1 would be problematic

[low wagon]

appreciate it lowk

[glad meteor]

@hollow lagoon step 40 on all sr museum 1 now

I’ll defeat you one day

[tropic summit]

look at these 2 @glad meteor and @hollow lagoon pve go0ns while we chill in shooting range @shell hazel

[glad meteor]

[grand plaza]

Sorry for late reply, that team would be CP bottlenecked since my pvp only units don't have OL/SR5+ dolls yet, but I am gonna try the one above that (biscuit/Noah)

Thanks

[lusty gull]

oops, it's fixed, i did *2 instead of 1.5 thanks for the report @swift mango

[spiral mica]

shiii how do i defeat this team

[hollow lagoon]

beeeg haxor

[tropic summit]

• swha blanc rh centi jackal (tempering on swha, vigor on rh, quantum on centi and jackal)
• swha blanc rh anisTT jackal (tempering on swha, vigor on rh, quantum on anisTT and jackal)

[spiral mica]

my goat

[cedar sorrel]

Humble SR

[quick lake]

SR in pvp chat?

[shell hazel]

think 20B ish will be my limit but I'll gun for it when I can do an an OL or two more on S.Anis

[tropic summit]

all pvp betrayers who became pve go0ns

[shell hazel]

shooting range mains

[quick lake]

i did 20B. Probably skill issues

[tropic summit]

https://klipy.com/gifs/thats-me-loki--k01KQPZ29J2S1EH5PXD0S1X6RPX

[quick lake]

aint gonna mald electro

[cedar sorrel]

I was literally using no doll no 0l 444 units I can see how rhe scores can get so high when u got proper invest

[quick lake]

takes time and rocks

[cedar sorrel]

Also Im missing key units that people were abusing like isabel and mirandaT

Isabel teams casually getting like 10b

[shell hazel]

my electric is mid af lol

even new anis/neon didn't come out of the oven so good, so eh, prob expected

[quick lake]

yeah same. not gonna invest neon anytime soon

[tropic summit]

https://klipy.com/gifs/nichijou-yukko--k01KQPZBXYA25KKQVDSA2Q66ZNP

if she was decent at pvp it would've been a different story, but pepega and only good for SR/UR is hard pass, not even deficit pushing

[glad meteor]

SR the true pvp

[cedar sorrel]

Idk why she has such weak gen

[quick lake]

Kara SR go0n

[shell hazel]

we will be stealing Kara for the good of the cult union

[glad meteor]

Karanapping

[gentle harness]

Need help against this, decent difference in level and power but should be doable.

This works against t2.

[tropic summit]

looks like you're on their list too

[daring gulch]

Hi all, may I have some recommendations on what teams should I use for PvP special arena? And who to equip quantum cube on?

[tidal lichen]

elp

how do i hit them

[tropic summit]

SP arena:

• nayuta anisTT helmT neonOS emilia
• jackal vestiTU lib blanc laplaceT
• moran siren swha drakeT noah

Notes:

• build jackal, blanc, biscuit, noah, vestiTU and finish emilia

[tropic summit]

why are they synchro 403 and 421 and you're 281

something something happened 💳

[tidal lichen]

leviathans.

[daring gulch]

thanks a lot!

[tropic summit]

for their cindy team, run

nayuta saccB2 lib anisTT emilia/laplaceT/vestiTU

essentially hyperbuff lib and ensure only 1 AR no more feeders, should keep them 2.5RL or 3RL

example:

you gain also 1.25x increased burst gen to all of your RL units due to cindy in p2, so you can kick into 1.5RL or slightly faster 2RL which would be very healthy

p5 could be flexible with an ada if high in CP and built to further buff lib nukeroni

but at that point aim to get closer to the their CP requirement as it drops stat penalty

[gentle harness]

Was really close. Might start working at 701.

[tropic summit]

wow cindy clutched

could try with RH instead of lappy, further buffs lib nukeroni

nayuta trina lib rh anisTT

oh actually nvm @gentle harness it's a speed issue

blanc kicked in time, we need to make you 1.5RL, put a vestiTU/emilia instead of lappy

[gentle harness]

Will try again later. 👍

[tropic summit]

aye lemme know how it goes

i think it's your closest shot, the other team is cancer on penalty

@gentle harness as plan B, roll this out if libby still not in time:

nayuta trina privT anisTT emilia/laplaceT/vestiTU

[fair pivot]

Electric weak SR, yep it's time for our Scarlets to shine

[grand plaza]

@tropic summit Libby or Neon?