pvp-arena

[hidden mortar]

I'm PLEB

[green flax]

higher than the attacker?

[minor egret]

Oh shit lol

Made me interact with SPA again since the reshuffle

[hidden mortar]

idk why this scar dude doesnt hit you ngl

he's like 590 and I'm barely keeping him in check

does he even try?

[minor egret]

Not really anymore but we have a 2 years history together

He always been with me

[hidden mortar]

they mashed my bracket and yours together games dying so they're just combining brackets now

me and the guys I've been stuck with for 3 years are here (LSP666, the nayuta guy in c6 and arcana in c5)

[minor egret]

Challenger 2 and 3 are the most passive whales ever, 2 tried 2 hits first day and failed

[hidden mortar]

oh lsp wont do anything

[minor egret]

Oh yeah that Nayuta guy try a hit everyday

[hidden mortar]

so he hits me to get c4 then pokes you huh

[minor egret]

You can't beat the Lib with the Viper frame? He's not very good at pvp from what I've seen

[hidden mortar]

as long as they keep their teams roughly the same I should be fine even with the deficit, figured out most of the counters already. Problem is there's 3 people fighting me for c4

[tulip quest]

rookie is pain

[unique wagon]

Only 1 vesti comp

[hidden mortar]

I've tried 1 hit at c2 and c3 already, can't win 2/3. Only 1, deficit too high

[minor egret]

Yeah I figured that's the issue. I know I can be c2 for sure, c3 have the weirdest pve teams but big power

[gritty ridge]

Its an unprotected noah that taunts, any vesti in p2 is eating her alive

[minor egret]

So yeah they just smashed our 2 brackets together, pretty f**** up

[hidden mortar]

hopefully they unshuffle this soon you can keep this scarlet dude

I've actually ended up in this bracket once before

[unique wagon]

See the Rosa.

[hidden mortar]

but back then it was only me and the current c5 who got sent across here, not the others. This time it was the whole bracket...I'm hoping that doesnt mean this one is permanent

[gritty ridge]

Yes. An unlinked rosa. Add snow and she does 0 dmg

[unique wagon]

What's the full comp. Dont forget Drake hitting P5

[gritty ridge]

Drake alone wont kill anyone

[unique wagon]

SWHA hits too btw

[gritty ridge]

Yes

[unique wagon]

Give full comp

[gritty ridge]

This is a comp that would work when you have deficit advantage

[unique wagon]

Wt

The only comp we cooked that have 100% winrate is actually Nayuta/Makima TVesti B3 B3 Rosa.

Other comps have a small risk or are costly.

[minor egret]

That was before we got reshuffled together. I've seen some other guys with the champion arena frames one or two reshuffle behind and they got mogged so hard by sync level they couldn't even enter CA anymore

[gritty ridge]

Moran vesti swha noah centi

[unique wagon]

so expensive

[gritty ridge]

No?

You only need to win 2 comps

You still have blanc and jackal free

[unique wagon]

then how r u gonna beat

• Nayuta Anis Helm Biscuit Cindy
• TVesti Blanc Jackal

[gritty ridge]

And t.helm

[charred quail]

@unique wagon lost with the same team against the same team as yesterday

[unique wagon]

Oh ye Anis needs quantum

[charred quail]

👍

[hidden mortar]

damn dude didnt try for 60 days

[unique wagon]

How r u gonna beat the rest

[minor egret]

All the fighting in the bracket moved to rookie for some reason

[hidden mortar]

then again he was c3, so I guess no need to actually challenge for c1

[charred quail]

i think it's an rng. i won with quantum and lost the next one

[minor egret]

There was no point yeah but I'm surprised he gave up about c1-c3 for this season

[unique wagon]

smh Rosa

[unique wagon]

need both recordings

[charred quail]

ok. will send the new recording

[hidden mortar]

c2 should be well within reach for him, dont know why he isnt trying. Only 50 synchro diff

it is what it is though, if he doesnt qualify for CA thats one less competitor

[charred quail]

i couldnt get the loss recording. forgot to record it. i have the win recording

[minor egret]

I think he's chocking hard on him which is surprising considering he doesn't have great teams. I can't even remember the last time he beat him

[gritty ridge]

You can also use rosa vs the nayu team unless you managed to get anis or bisc more atk than nayu

[unique wagon]

Does concealed Rosa one tap

[gritty ridge]

Does she onetap what

[unique wagon]

what if I bring 3 dps

[gritty ridge]

Could just use 2rl nayu then

[unique wagon]

[lunar pawn]

is concealed rosa a thing if you bring swha

[charred quail]

@unique wagon https://youtu.be/8ZNOSShs0DQ

[gritty ridge]

Yes, can use jackal

[unique wagon]

something like this or

bad position Idc

[lunar pawn]

I mean, does she stay concealed

[charred quail]

ill send the loss tomorrow

[gritty ridge]

If shes jackal linked shes concealed no matter what

[unique wagon]

if I get to Blanc my Emi u lose anyway no?

[lunar pawn]

you lost me

[hidden mortar]

I should still be fine in this bracket since those guys are in CN, they dont attack until a couple hours after reset so i end up with like 15 hours a day in c4. Still hope SU gives me back my baby bracket eventually

[gritty ridge]

Youd need some insane cs to get this fast enough to not just be nuked by scar

[unique wagon]

thats 2.5 RL with feed

Blanc is faster than Scarlet at 2.5 RL

[gritty ridge]

Need 2rl

[unique wagon]

No

[gritty ridge]

Not reliably, and especially not if the scar has any cs%

[unique wagon]

Well that means the team requires high investments which is good

[gritty ridge]

If they have emi then their opponents most likely have cs%

Thats a long time to build pvp

[unique wagon]

Assumptiions

[gritty ridge]

Reasonable ones

[unique wagon]

Nah 50-50

[minor egret]

I know for a fact that c2 and the S guy are never here around reset
I'm guessing you counter my Vesti team with a slower indom? I'm curious about the Helm RH team but now I've updated it and hitting 621 soon

[unique wagon]

and that assumes MY SIDE also doesnt have CS

[gritty ridge]

Also you have to remember blanc feeds scar so shes faster even without cs%

[unique wagon]

and ur Scar also feeds Jack smh

[hidden mortar]

idk if I can send images here yet, lemme see if I can find the teams

[gritty ridge]

Not if they use scar rosa

[unique wagon]

Good point

[hidden mortar]

thats what I was using @minor egret

[gritty ridge]

Scar rapu would also have an easy time here cuz of front pressure

Scar soda would be rng as usual

[unique wagon]

RNG is expensive for attack
Scar Rapu requires to know how much ur Rapu can handle

[gritty ridge]

Unless they use soline

[hidden mortar]

team 3 anis and blanc survive thanks to biscuit, after invlun wears off blanc gives anis indom so I have 15seconds of being unkillable. By then you jsut die to mihara DoT

[unique wagon]

wow very niche

[gritty ridge]

Rapu scar trina t.helm x.soline is the standard scar rapu

[green flax]

For PvP how much of a level and power difference can u reasonably push up to

[gritty ridge]

Depends on your invests

You cant push past 40% no matter what tho

80 levels is the upper limit

[green flax]

Okok ty

[north brook]

Yeah mainly just depends on urs and opps invests

[green flax]

So I can fight 5 mil enemies

[north brook]

~40 lvls above opp is usually somewhat safe with good comps, if higher lvl person has way worse teams it can extend to 60~80

[unique wagon]

what happened when u lost

[green flax]

HOLY SHIT I BEAT THE NO. 49 GUY I SHOWED

[unique wagon]

I assume Biscu died and Cindy doesnt get immune then Anis also died

Use Tempe on Biscu

[gritty ridge]

@unique wagon id honestly recomend working in anis bay bisc into one of your 3

[minor egret]

Ouch that's quite the start. I'm still surprised you managed to do it with the huge gap between us tbh but I invest the bare minimum in arena because raids

[unique wagon]

why

is that even better than Nayu Anis Bisc

[north brook]

It does look like his cp garbage for his lvl ya

[green flax]

prydwen add anis star to tier list

[north brook]

Sss everything

[gritty ridge]

I think so, im currently running anis bay bisc priv snow

[north brook]

It wont be anything else

[unique wagon]

does that win against nayu anis helm biscu cindy

[green flax]

if it isnt tho...

https://tenor.com/view/cat-cat-angry-kill-cat-kill-angry-gif-500231649981196765

[north brook]

Dont need someone else to put it on a list anis already broken everything

[north brook]

The only other time this happened was with crown

[unique wagon]

SSS

[hidden mortar]

the one positive of this reshuffle is it made me come up with new tech lol

[north brook]

And anis is also broken in pvp

[green flax]

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/1273933998762229845/1377300670750789743/1748258176729.gif

[gritty ridge]

It should, it can catch both helm and cindy burst and it has 2 heavy dps with anis and snow

[green flax]

anis and blanc fr 2v5 the entire enemy team

[covert lintel]

No vid=hoax

[late tiger]

ye, anis is a bit too strong

[charred quail]

i had it on quick play. i forgot to press play

replay*

ive ran out of hits

[umbral crown]

Is he

[gritty ridge]

I cant record, I havent lost since I set it and the only people I hit are 60+ sync above me lmao

[minor egret]

93 actually

[unique wagon]

wdym catch

[late tiger]

anis is too versatile and fits into any team, so CA will become quite chaotic next season

[covert lintel]

Stun

[unique wagon]

how does that guarantee win

[minor egret]

To my defense he used many gems the first day of the reshuffle

[covert lintel]

That's why i asked the vid

[hidden mortar]

I like seeing all the different teams with her though. People have slotted her in on basically every standard comp to try something

[gritty ridge]

Bay catches both cindy and helm. They cant do dmg with their nuke

[green flax]

are there any benefits of playing on quickplay for pvp

[unique wagon]

yes but they lifesteal

[hidden mortar]

yes

[unique wagon]

u cant killthem cus u nuke while theyre immune

[minor egret]

Every team wants Anis yeah

[hidden mortar]

saves time. I once spent 5 minutes watching my moran fight another moran

[unique wagon]

then they recover from stun and u get butchered

[green flax]

does it affect gameplay? As in u can win in normal but lose in quick

[late tiger]

i agree with that, but standard teams are basically obsolete now.
I have only seen blanc indom wins so far, outside of anis teams

ofc without ridiculour CP pad

[hidden mortar]

no, even with the normal fight the actual result is quick simulated and reflected instantly. Your position changes as soon as you hit attack (if you won), the fight itself is just for show

[unique wagon]

in fact I want u to kill Helm and Biscu, so Anis Cindy Nayu dont need to babysit lifesteal them

[green flax]

ohh okok i assumed it was pre determined

[hidden mortar]

people can actually attack you back WHILE you're watching your own fight, if they win when you come out of that fight screen you'll see that your position hasnt changed

its pretty funny

[late tiger]

i had someone run scripts against me to fight the moment i won against him

[leaden canyon]

so a union member of mine cant break anisTT blanc vesti helm biscuit, even with a team rail suggested and we also tried multiple different rosanna teams

[late tiger]

after i sent a report he was banned

[hidden mortar]

[late tiger]

so if anyone has a suspicion, dont forget you can report users

[hidden mortar]

I'm trying Nero - Anis - Helm - Mana - Moran rn in CA, its won all fights so far. Won everything I tested into in rookie too

[green flax]

is there an optimal RL to be in? im still a lil confused about the whole RL thing

[gritty ridge]

No, bay shares health with teh whole team and also heals, youll lose nayu during stun and then cindy has to clutch the 1v5

[unique wagon]

Bro Anis has lifesteal

[gritty ridge]

Yeah, but she has to survive 3 seconds of no shooting while being hit by anis and swha

[unique wagon]

There is Biscuit

[late tiger]

i saw the nero teams. wanna try too, but not luck pulling so far. i want to test quiry with anis

[unique wagon]

she is immune when u nuked her

[gritty ridge]

Biscuit would have to live the nuke for it to matter

[unique wagon]

and there is Nayu ure hitting with basic attack so only skill dmg hits the rest

[gritty ridge]

She'll be immune but still get stunned

[hidden mortar]

yea I was actually building quiry to try this next lol. Could be pretty meme tier

[unique wagon]

Biscuit is NOT dying from 1 priv nuke

[gritty ridge]

Cuz the nuke will proc bisc on cindy

[north brook]

Slightly slower indom with same stuff kinda sorta works

[unique wagon]

if any she will trigger biscuit first on Cindy

Helm then Biscu die

Nayu Anis Cindy are alive

Anis Cindy + Nayu + helm lifesteal vs Anis Bay Priv SWHA Biscu

when ur Priv stun ends, likely ur team also consumes both Biscu charges alr

so no one is stopping Anis from lifestealing

u cant even kill her cus Nayu blocks basic attack

when nayu dies Anis would have lifestealed

[late tiger]

idk how this plays out but i have absolute team in CA next matchup and Anis with biscuit, blanc jackal, cindy as enemy. i feel like my team will never win

[unique wagon]

Nayu ANis better

Blanc Anis is worse than nayu ANis

[late tiger]

good to know. some hope then?!

[unique wagon]

the reason is simple Blanc eats immune

and idk if Bay will win against Nayu variant too cus Bay also eats immune

The Nayu Anis Cindy tech allows for delayed immune on Cindy as long as its not one big nuke

but its strong against one big nuke anyway

[late tiger]

my hope is to trigger both biscuit immunes for non-important units

[unique wagon]

absolute team into anis biscuit blanc jackal cindy?

[late tiger]

anis and cindy must die, then i have safe 3-2 wins

[late tiger]

ye, sadly

[unique wagon]

does that kill biscuit?

[late tiger]

i check order

[unique wagon]

Blanc and Anis will 100% take Biscuit

Biscu likely wont die cus Jackal link

The order is likely Anis Blanc Biscu Jack Cindy

Or Jack Biscu Cindy

or Biscu Cindy Jack

I dont think ure winning that

its a funnel team tho other teams are weaker

[late tiger]

ok, i got some nikkes wrong

It is Centi, Bay, Anis, Biscuit, Cindy. Looking at it now with this info, I will definitely trigger centi+bay immunity and then maybe kill anis before they burst?!

[umbral belfry]

another nero anis stall believer i'm using bayT instead of mana

[unique wagon]

hmm

just pray

[late tiger]

🙏 📿 🪷

[hidden mortar]

yea, bay would have been better. I haven't had any units die yet so the revive is kinda useless. Bay gives me a 2nd b2 incase they run siren too

[oak hatch]

Hopefully u got 21 cs

[umbral belfry]

nero never cared about siren even in OG nero stall so it'll be fine. but with the cs i have nero is gonna burst before stun anyway but yeah really strong team so far

i'm still trying to see what beats it. beat sw indom, anis indom, and moran lib in tests

[late tiger]

my emilia is <.<

[oak hatch]

Vesti

[late tiger]

.>

[umbral belfry]

it beats vesti indom too, but i didn't test it. someone else has a vid of it

might lose to vesti ada though

[unique wagon]

where anis nayu

[umbral belfry]

it would've been my 2nd choice for CA but i was more interested in nero anis stall more

[unique wagon]

the only test i never saw

those 2 against each other

[umbral belfry]

i can ask for my friend to test it but he's prolly asleep rn

maybe it'll be diff from 2rl nayu rh bc nero stall clears that

it's just a ? bc nayu anis has the potential to be a really fast team, nayu can burst before moran so it's

[unique wagon]

its nayu anis helm biscu cindy with quantum on anis

[umbral belfry]

oh that wasn't the 2rl nayu team i was thinking of

[unique wagon]

and helm/biscu optionally*

[umbral belfry]

from top it looks too slow to prevent getting walled by nero stall anis

but i'll ask my friend when he's avaliable

[unique wagon]

wont moran just get nuked

[covert lintel]

This?

[unique wagon]

bayt no burst

[umbral belfry]

nero bay anis helm moran is what i run

[unique wagon]

hmm wait

[late tiger]

i saw 1 team reaching 2RL 146%, so 1.5RL should be possible

[umbral belfry]

bay is solely used for more healing. that's the point

[unique wagon]

both are 2 RL

[late tiger]

if we add bricked centi to enemy team 1RL should be possible

[umbral belfry]

okie i asked. i'll ping you when test is ready

[unique wagon]

nero shud block helm

[umbral belfry]

from testing (at least my moran) gets sniped by a fast helm depsite nero having higher atk, due to re-enter stall

but that's fine

[covert lintel]

bay can heal?

[unique wagon]

oh wait true

[umbral belfry]

her treasure

[hidden mortar]

oh you're right, she probably bursts before stun for me as well. Anis and helm with ~19 CS

[unique wagon]

nayu anis team needs quantum though

[umbral belfry]

just assumptions alone (i guess this also assumes cs on the nayu anis), moran is going to burst in time before nayu hits and moran will take the snipe. from where it's either nayu anis gets outstalled or 2rl nayu anis has the strength to kill

[covert lintel]

Oh that 4%
But wouldn't rapun better?

[unique wagon]

no

2nd rotation

[umbral belfry]

idk about better. i didn't want rapu bc positions would be messed up.

nero anis (don't like p2 bc of lap) helm moran rapu. that leaves rapu in a dangeorus position to def sgs

and bayT off-burst still heals a lot too

[late tiger]

https://tenor.com/bdz7N.gif

[umbral belfry]

it's a decent off-burst heal

[late tiger]

is moran necessary ?

[umbral belfry]

always for nero stall

even before anis

due to damage reduc

[late tiger]

i wondered bc of re-enter

isnt that too slow

[umbral belfry]

depends on who you're fighting, but from tests no

[covert lintel]

Try it with no misindom team

[umbral belfry]

someone tested vesti losing to this team but i don't have the test personally

it was in here, i forgot who

but that test didn't have ada iirc

[quick lake]

realised for the flex slot, could put normal ludmilla too

[umbral belfry]

building lud

[north brook]

Does this beat anis ada buffed vesti tho(?)

[umbral belfry]

i haven't tested it but something tells me that's too much dmg

[hidden mortar]

nope. I've tested this into vesti + helm 2rl teams in rookie, didn't have any issues with the re-enter

[umbral belfry]

^ yeah, this doesn't care about re-enter delay

[late tiger]

ohh thats good to know

[hidden mortar]

full disclosure though you may need to have charge speed on helm and anis

[late tiger]

19%?

[quick lake]

Has there been a team where new stall lost

[hidden mortar]

maybe not that much lol

[umbral belfry]

sitting at 10 cs anis and 12 cs helm for me

and it's enough to make moran burst at opponent's b2

that's what important

[umbral belfry]

haven't seen it yet

[hidden mortar]

yea re enter only delays you by around half a second. 32 frames if nikke.top is accurate

[umbral belfry]

but i do assume vesti ada indom claps it

[quick lake]

If it doesnt….

[umbral belfry]

tbf i thought sw indom would beat it but got walled

[covert lintel]

I hope someone will try this 2 team for me

[umbral belfry]

[hidden mortar]

vesti prob has a better chance since she buffs true damage after burst, snow has a hard time soloing moran

[umbral belfry]

oh lemme show you the vid. it was nasty 😭

[hidden mortar]

I have, not as reliable as moran

[quick lake]

Vesti cant win tanky moran
sometimes

[umbral belfry]

idk how good/worse mana would do bc mine isn't built

[covert lintel]

It's a matter of ammo

[quick lake]

not really, even with unlimited ammo, sometimes Vesti not strong enough

[gritty ridge]

Just make vesti stronger

[hidden mortar]

oh she got alot further than I would have thought

[gritty ridge]

My vesti beat hime moran

[umbral belfry]

indeedy. you can try it out with mana instead of bayT. maybe it'll be the same?

mana gives a revive though so valid

[hidden mortar]

no, mana dies first lol. I was hoping nero would die first and get revived but my mana is too smol

[umbral belfry]

believe in the bay way. i am a follower of rheax

[quick lake]

Bay/Rapun/Quiry

[umbral belfry]

quiry not built

[north brook]

Would need to see indoms with anis buffing now

[misty finch]

What skill lvl does label need to properly defend against an elec nuke?

[umbral belfry]

only test I got but not accurate bc misindom

so this MU is also still a ? if everything goes right

if anis survived idk if she'd clear

[late tiger]

what is the advantage to anis and helm having 19% cs

[quick lake]

Burst faster typically

[mystic rain]

blanc vesti ada bisc anis for triple buff vesti indom

[umbral belfry]

[quick lake]

Like 1.8RL instead of 2RL for eg

[late tiger]

so anis needs cs too?
cuz i read burst charge was fixed

[north brook]

Think mainly matters for anis but depends on team

[umbral belfry]

that's only in burst

[quick lake]

only during burst. outside burst not fixed

[late tiger]

i see, thanks

[quick lake]

Probably like 7. But not a must invest imo

[umbral belfry]

oh yeah rheax, tomorrow i can see how this does vs a scar

[gritty ridge]

My label is still naked

[covert lintel]

No need
Ammo is more priority

[late tiger]

haha, ye thats the conflicting statements i read

[quick lake]

I have a super close match today. Gamba time

[umbral belfry]

i'm probably losing tomorrow too but i'm happy with the tests

[quick lake]

cs% works if u wanna

[hidden mortar]

I've been using this team to clear indom matchups at deficit

mihara p1 so she dies asap
mihara - anis - blanc - biscuit - privaty

[covert lintel]

https://tenor.com/view/no-can-do-my-friend-cant-do-it-my-friend-nope-nope-nope-ernie-hudson-gif-13202371

[umbral belfry]

[misty finch]

IDk she's currently dying pretty hard at lvl 5. And people are still using scarlet on defence in my SP bracket but my label's not defending from the nuke properly

[umbral belfry]

where is your label positioned

[mystic rain]

what kinda matchups

vesti/snow?

[hidden mortar]

one sec

I posted them here earlier, actually

[mystic rain]

im assuming indom should go to anis but at deficit i kinda find it hard to believe that ur bisc or priv isnt stealing indom vs vest or snow aoe

[hidden mortar]

@mystic rain @umbral belfry

made it more consistent with mihara p1

[umbral belfry]

[mystic rain]

replay?

[hidden mortar]

uh

no i didnt save the replay

[umbral crown]

[umbral crown]

Hows your nero team doing

[umbral belfry]

undefeated so far

[gritty ridge]

Yes

[tidal lichen]

which nero team

[gritty ridge]

Can you test the bay team sometime? I wanna make sure it catches the 2 heavy bay hitters

[umbral belfry]

this was last match but it's a given. was funny to see nero snipe though

[umbral belfry]

what bay team

[umbral belfry]

yeah I'll ask folian later

[gritty ridge]

Thx hime

[hidden mortar]

priv actually does get indom but its not an issue. Between anis personal damage and mihara DoT their team dies and privaty jsut outlasts vesti and wins the 1v1

dont need to worry about her running out of ammo and dying while reloading either since she reloads in like half a second

but I clear vesti's indom by a solid couple seconds

[covert lintel]

Where's your anis @raven plover

[raven plover]

#pvp-arena message

Im using the same exact teams and position from last season

so no thanos yea

[rich quail]

[umbral crown]

Nice, is way to revive nero team

[umbral crown]

A secret nero team

[umbral belfry]

[rich quail]

Don’t Thanos me bro

[hidden mortar]

and to think, we were going to reset her

[tidal lichen]

this team?

[umbral belfry]

thanks anis for reviving nero stall

[umbral crown]

Yeah, now o bwtter reset scar

[hidden mortar]

[umbral belfry]

now she won't get instantly screwed by a moran/vesti/sw/lib

[fast nest]

Noah Anis biscuit privT Xmaiden
quantum on Anis and Xmaiden

[umbral crown]

Nope, another version

[hidden mortar]

yea, mine beat the dreaded moran - bay - biscuit - snow white team. Very happy about that

[umbral belfry]

[rich quail]

nooooooo
no reset Scar

[umbral belfry]

/

[rich quail]

DID YOU JUST LI’L BRO ME?????

[crystal flicker]

So lazy to login ngl

[umbral crown]

[umbral belfry]

oh wait i know a team that prolly beats it

absolute

[hidden mortar]

no

[umbral belfry]

i can see it happening

[hidden mortar]

my absolute is roided out of their minds and still lost to a standard nero - moran - helm - mana - ????

[umbral crown]

Depends which version

[rich quail]

I want to be a Nero belieber

but I have to fix my Moran and Nero

close to 47% atk Moran
only 20% atk Nero

[umbral belfry]

that's valid bc moran likely didn't get popped

[rich quail]

[umbral belfry]

but for this moran is all the way in p5, leaving nero bay anis to

is what i assume would happen

maybe nero would survive but bay and anis

[hidden mortar]

no, moran was in p5. The actual team was positioned like this iirc: nero - helm - bay (?) - mana - moran. I killed helm but mana revived her and it was gg from there

[umbral belfry]

absolute rosa?

[hidden mortar]

? by bay because I dont recall who the 5th unit actually was

yea, mast - vesti - rosa -eunwha - emma

[umbral belfry]

[hidden mortar]

thats lost twice to nero - moran comps in CA

[umbral belfry]

whoops

[hidden mortar]

I will continue to be a peaksolute believer though

[rich quail]

I did absolute Mast Rosa this CA

that team is the only one that hasn’t lost yet

It kills scar teams

[umbral belfry]

indeed, bc rosa

[quick lake]

Nero probably doesnt need atk that much tbh

[umbral belfry]

my absolute keeps running into sg nayu

[hidden mortar]

mine keeps getting moran - bay - biscuit. Its so cursed

[umbral belfry]

[rich quail]

I trust you and will use her next CA

[fast nest]

I believe in peaksolute

[quick lake]

Pray for CA RNG as usual

[umbral belfry]

[hidden mortar]

they beat the curse

[umbral belfry]

only time i made a defender + bisc explode was with blanc

any time else the game says no

[hidden mortar]

guessing vesti crit into bay and took her to 0% without proccing biscuit lol

[umbral belfry]

thanks mast

[fast nest]

biscuit dead by crit crit
bay dead by auto crit crit

[umbral belfry]

just crit kill

[rich quail]

i am the crit commander

https://tenor.com/view/jay-and-silent-bob-we-gots-to-get-paid-gif-11125720

[tropic summit]

unbelievable... for the first time in maybe 1 year and a half my dolphin rival actually fought against the whale in my bracket, is he finally waking up

is the world healing

[glad meteor]

https://tenor.com/view/joker-gif-25596191

[tropic summit]

scarlet offburst on lifesteal uh

[umbral crown]

was about time

[tropic summit]

https://klipy.com/gifs/ruby-hoshino-oshi-no-ko-13--k01KQ6MDAXAVEKEKQ5ZSC2ZB0DW

[umbral crown]

[tropic summit]

they grow up so fast.... only took an year and a half to realize he can beat things without autoing with higher power

[umbral crown]

late but it arrived

[tropic summit]

[crystal flicker]

Fr

People started to attack me, even though none of them ever made to top 8 CA bruh

[lucid iron]

what nikke can replace snow white heavy arms in a pvp team?

[tropic summit]

hardly any, she has 3rd highest burst gen in the whole game and a kit that allows being run offburst or onburst to hit whole team

[lucid iron]

yeah unfortunately I'm not lucky enough to get her

[tropic summit]

that's fine run other teams instead that don't need her

you can grab ideas from here:
#pvp-arena message

[lucid iron]

okk will take a look thnxx

[frank ingot]

you can get her in normal recruitment

trust

[lucid iron]

https://tenor.com/view/anime-pray-mieruko-chan-mieruko-beg-gif-24241509

[crystal flicker]

Is there new comp that utilize new Anis?

[tropic summit]

from what we've seen

• anis blanc flex biscuit flex
• nayuta privT helmT anis flex
• anis moran helmt swha nero

[swift mango]

[crystal flicker]

Seems like I need to adjust my SP a bit, thanks!

[storm hearth]

is it me or fighting someone 5mins before reset is such loser behavior

[covert lintel]

Sorry i'm loser

[empty cedar]

https://tenor.com/view/liberalio-nikke-goddess-of-victory-pinch-pinch-cheeks-pinching-cheeks-gif-16190695039469292998

[oak smelt]

Well its a strat since there is a massive advantage if you go into reset in a new position with 2 attempts for defense, most people do it with varying degree

[empty cedar]

How did Liberalio survive is beyond me

[storm hearth]

imma ruin someone's gems

[tropic summit]

@hollow lagoon @upper grove clean run, verdict: impossibru (all mmast B2 done)

clear i'm copying is 32% deficit, i'm at 37%... i guess that must be it

[storm hearth]

you have built laplace?

could do more damage if you can destroy those parts, and yes its possible for hard mode

can potentially beat it

[tropic summit]

who'd you remove to fit laplace tho

[storm hearth]

helm

also oof no atk nvm

[tropic summit]

how'd you clear without helm on 37% deficit

[umbral crown]

i would mast

[brazen ledge]

It isn’t updated with anis though right ?

I don’t see her

[storm hearth]

hmm tbh not sure now
i finish it with like 31/32% deficit
so idk how big of a difference is 37%

[brazen ledge]

Helm isn’t here for dmg on altruia

[tropic summit]

it's fine thanks for adding your idea

[brazen ledge]

Doesn’t really matter besides burst

[tropic summit]

[brazen ledge]

Did you try anything with tPriv ? Not that it’ll make such a big diff but it should be a bit better no ?

[raven plover]

https://tenor.com/view/the-dark-knight-its-about-sending-a-message-joker-heath-ledger-the-joker-gif-18201880

[quick lake]

updated

[tropic summit]

i'd rather blame SU than the player, they're given the choice to do so and they will... the game is the root cause for motivating that behavior in the first place, by making it useful to force people to gem to gain a position if both keep winning attack...

but the QoL is

[brazen ledge]

[hollow lagoon]

Op

[tropic summit]

[mighty haven]

Hello PvP friends

What would be the best way to ask for defence tips? Been a while since I posted

Currently defending C5/C7 from a very aggressive new shuffle player

[tropic summit]

Estur asking for defense teams is a rarity

start by posting your box or blabla link set to public

[mighty haven]

Will do, I'll take screenshots
In meantime Bla here
https://www.blablalink.com/shiftyspad/nikke-list?uid=MjkwODAtODE1NDc1OTk3NTU2Mjc1NzE3MQ%3D%3D&type=combat&openid=MjkwODAtODE1NDc1OTk3NTU2Mjc1NzE3MQ%3D%3D

[tropic summit]

oke taking a look

[mighty haven]

Thanks, full box here

Current cubes, no more Union Coins

And current ATK/DEF

[tropic summit]

let's start with these, they're high CP teams that retain decent threat on all 3

SP arena

• nayuta privT helmT anisTT drakeT
• jackal vestiTU ada blanc laplaceT
• moran siren swha lib noah

Cubes

nayuta any
privT tempering
helmT any
anisTT quantum
drakeT quantum

jackal quantum
vestiTU tempering
ada any/tempering (invert position with lappy if ada is linked instead, ensure ada is highest HP in link in case)
blanc vigor
laplaceT vigor (quantum if lappy is already highest HP in link)

moran tempering
siren vigor/any
swha tempering
lib any
noah tempering/vigor/any

lemme know how they do and we can change them up furthermore by reducing CP but adding threat or speed

[hollow lagoon]

More threatening

[mighty haven]

Thanks! I think we actually increased overall CP there

[mighty haven]

I'll keep Biscuit in mind

[tropic summit]

less CP but not bad

[hollow lagoon]

If cp is less get more cp

[tropic summit]

ye looks decently spread, roll with those

[covert lintel]

This is the most ez for rosanna

[mighty haven]

I think I took my Priv burst from 7 to 10 just now

Must save for NeonOS or reset someone

Or make Moran S1 10....?

[tropic summit]

hmm moranT probably priority over privT, but both are pretty high in priority

[hollow lagoon]

true but drake b3 is kind of whatever, anis living 10 sec has more value i reckon

[tropic summit]

i'd personally pick maximin moran first

[mighty haven]

Yeah wth done

[mighty haven]

40k less CP, but that's like

0.5% diff in my bracket

[hollow lagoon]

I thought u were sync 700

[mighty haven]

Heck no

That would be a day 1/0.5 half Anniv player

Or a whale

@tropic summit I lost first fight against them, swapped team pos only and then won
ATK hasn't changed

[tropic summit]

those were def teams but glad you got them working as attack teams aswell

[mighty haven]

Oh no, this was before I asked for help

[tropic summit]

they've got their own weakness when used against certain matchups so keep it mind (e.g. don't run the 2RL nayuta glass cannon against noah moran stalls)

you can run vestiTU against those instead

[tropic summit]

oh alrighty

[mighty haven]

Their Nayuta glass cannon team was a wtf moment for me

Managed to bomb Scarlet Double Indom

[hollow lagoon]

Scar indom in 2026

[tropic summit]

ye nayuta loves killing jackal linked if on same speed so bewary

[hollow lagoon]

I never knew what that team does

[mighty haven]

Also saw my first ever Moran vs Moran last lady standing fist fight

Lost after 1 minute

[hollow lagoon]

Neon kit seems weirdly huge amount of self buffs that I think buffers gonna barely do much

Like a Bmilk kind of deal all over again

Blanc b2? lol

[mighty haven]

Let's hope Neon isn't a manual monster though

Sure she's RL....but you never know

[hollow lagoon]

Neon is rl

[mighty haven]

Ok even worse, Centi rocket spam time

[hollow lagoon]

I think no chance she’s manual monster

She has full charge attack stuff I recall

[tropic summit]

from what i read around question chat, she may be the next best elec DPS?

[heady peak]

speaking of defense teams..... I need to work on mine

[hollow lagoon]

She has to be

[heady peak]

but honestly... I suck with defense teams

[tropic summit]

cindy powercreep incoming after letting her win skin contest, madlad

[heady peak]

attack teams are simple.. but I suck and hate making defense teams... because it has a different thought process. you aren't hitting what you can see.. but defending something you don't know they will have

[hollow lagoon]

No spamm just let it happen

[hollow lagoon]

I have 6 rocks

[tropic summit]

wonder if she works similarly to vestiTU during FB, except weaker as no true damage

[tropic summit]

just get more

[hollow lagoon]

I dont know about neon but anis increase explosion radius

They get ran together

Problem is figure out the b2

[quick lake]

Do we know Neon splash radius

is it 3 targets

[heady peak]

easy, we wait until next Ani for the answer

obviously they are going to have Matis be the next units upgraded

[hollow lagoon]

During her burst she self buff radius by 200%

Gonna be all 5 I reckon?

[tropic summit]

for pve or pvp you mean? pve seems pretty straight forward

[hollow lagoon]

Like what, she’s on 100%+ self buff atk dmg and 80% atk up

That’s more than swha

[indigo mist]

Any advice on cracking this defense?

[tropic summit]

that's a ton

[quick lake]

Hmm base 2 targets then burst 5 targets hmmm

[hollow lagoon]

Not even counting fire power bonus, which adds another 45/30 I recall? So she gets diluted by anything, so like yeah Blanc? Kekw

[north brook]

When do we get a noah that gives invuln for 10s

[hollow lagoon]

When Privity stun for 10 s

[north brook]

Only way to live these new units

[waxen cairn]

hey yall, not very knowledgeable on PvP, anyway i can improve my defence teams?
got most units in the game, save for Cindy, MiharaOS and a couple others

Treasures i got are Moran, Drake, Viper, Bay, Privaty, Laplace

[tropic summit]

you're on the left

conditions:

• T1: swha and siren assumed linked, siren highest HP in link (can give her vigor), can confirm in shooting range/campaign, pause, click on the units, check HP and buff "jumping jackal" on the 2 units)
• T2: no particular conditions, noise vigor, anis is anisTT, noah tempering

[tropic summit]

yeah would probably benefit more from units that give damage increase on the enemy like blanc or even s.rosanna?

[mighty haven]

I wish PvP was as comfy as CN

You can be D5 and still get 1.8k gems at end of season

[tropic summit]

T1 sort of OK but i'd fix positioning, jackal swha rumani blanc siren, ensure siren is highest HP and linked (check in shooting range, can give her vigor)
T2 lib has poor threat when on defense, scrap that team
T3 scarlet team needs to go, she's no longer decent enough to hold and way too easy to counter

[tropic summit]

don't give them ideas

[mighty haven]

The effort of C5 for 2.7k in global

[hollow lagoon]

[waxen cairn]

what shld i do for T2 and T3 then?
icl both of these teams were handed to me by someone here, i might need sm handholding

[hollow lagoon]

Crow swap unit explosion idea still ain’t there

[tropic summit]

post your box or blabla link set to public

[tropic summit]

damn you're really set on this one eh

open a feedback and post it everywhere on the nikke discords, if it gets enough upvotes maybe

[waxen cairn]

https://www.blablalink.com/shiftyspad/nikke-list?uid=MjkwODAtMTU2MzI2OTA2MTg2MzYxMzM0NjM%3D&openid=MjkwODAtMTU2MzI2OTA2MTg2MzYxMzM0NjM%3D

lmk if you can see that

[tropic summit]

ye it works

[hollow lagoon]

[indigo mist]

ty I got 1 hit left, so I prob going to hit 1 min before reset, since getting into the new SP arena, is this still the most reliable meta SP arena going on rn?
VestiU Indom
nayuta 2RL
moran noah stall variants

[hollow lagoon]

I been having bad luck for CA for like a while I think it’s time I gib up

[tropic summit]

yeah that's for the most part correct, if anything anisTT actually makes nayuta 2RL even easier and stronger, she can also enable a better nero moran and some better stalls situationally

[tropic summit]

it's cuz your bracket is getting older, more ppl with access to copy pasta, it will reduce your odds because everyone running the same "competent" shiet

[hollow lagoon]

Shiet like my defending SG goes into the only person who runs jackal Rosa scar on the planet

[shell hazel]

next CA could shuffle Zant

maybe Tenshi finally leaves us alone

[quick lake]

better update CA 2.0

[shell hazel]

[tacit arch]

could someone pro in arena care to share ur opinion on my defense teams? is it good enough?

[hollow lagoon]

Ur t2 is dead

Ur t3 is pertty dead

[tacit arch]

sometimes i'd swap siren with biscuit...

[tacit arch]

what could posibly counter my t3 tho

[hollow lagoon]

Won’t help the fact lib burst is not threatening on defense

[hollow lagoon]

Anything Moran on life leech

[tacit arch]

moran counter blanc indomi...?

[hollow lagoon]

Cuz single buff vesti is liveable

No Blanc needed

[tacit arch]

wht do u mean by single buff vesti?, and all my enemies is averagely has like 30-40+ levels than mine, and somehow i could still fight for those quiet high positions

[oak smelt]

Same can be said for 2RL scarlet, its a free win

[tacit arch]

care to share what great teams comes in ur mind? @hollow lagoon

[hollow lagoon]

Ur not global so I can’t steal you for my union and im lazy

[hollow lagoon]

2 rl scar on def is dead in the water

Ur team 1 can also just die to a buffed lib nuke

@tacit arch

[tropic summit]

SP arena

• nayuta ein helmT anisTT noir
• moran swha blanc centi lib
• rrh crown alice RH SBS (CP pad)

Notes

• some pvp core units are low invest, work on vestiTU and consider treasuring privT (after moranT if not treasured yet), can then treasure lappy
• utilities are kinda low invest, especially some are even pvp core, work on the following asap:

noah, jackal, biscuit, rumani, trina, centi

• get your teams upgraded once noah, jackal and biscuit are ready

[hollow lagoon]

Rail the Korean is 518 sync what do I do

[tacit arch]

what team u use for def?

[hasty drift]

Hello helpful people! I am a newish Nikke player (started 5 months ago) and up until now I’ve had minimal problems getting to high challenger rank in PvP Arena, but this season I feel like I’m hitting a wall. I’d love some advice and any helpful resources you have! Also let me know what else I need to share with you all so that you have what you need to recommend me some teams. Right now I’m using the same teams for both attack and defense but I’m open to switching up if that’s recommended. Sorry if im asking for too much. I’m new to this! I’m hoping this link works: https://www.blablalink.com/shiftyspad/nikke-list?uid=MjkwODAtMTE4NDY5MzE0NjkwNjkzOTI4MjM%3D

[tropic summit]

T1: add biscuit to bay if you gotta use bay, else change archetype
T2: unprotected noah p2 is a death wish, scrap that team or give noah a biscuit, or run moran p1 and noah p5
T3: this team needs at least a backup B3, linked unit with vestiTU, blanc ideally not p3 but p4

[tropic summit]

stay calm and don't panic, he'll catch up in 2 years, you'll devise a plan then

[heady peak]

https://www.blablalink.com/shiftyspad/nikke-list?uid=MjkwODAtMTUxMzcyNDMyMzU2NjQ3MzUwNjQ%3D&openid=MjkwODAtMTUxMzcyNDMyMzU2NjQ3MzUwNjQ%3D

Rail if you got time, help me with my defense team in SP... I honestly suck at defense teams. plus meta has changed so much.. I don't know what is actually good in defense.

[hollow lagoon]

My def is unwinnable for the moment but studying it won’t do you any good

[waxen cairn]

yeah skills defo need investment regarding the core pvp units, recourses have js been spread thin between campaign and tower units, and almost done w them so i can go into the pvp units now
going for Laplace > privT, alr got MoranT, needa build VestiTU regardless so win win

thank you so much for the help!

[hollow lagoon]

Sanis buffing anis and Moran is smart, I would try slap helm in there and Sanis off burst for Kekw, scarlet is pertty dead on def I Wouldent keep going with that set

[tropic summit]

SP arena

• nayuta privT helmT anisTT centi
• moran siren swha lib noah
• jackal vestiTU cindy blanc drakeT

you've a somewat good box, but some utilities are still short on invest, build up these to improve further:

Notes:

• jackal, n1 priority
• biscuit, centi and trina to boost speed and survivability
• get lappy treasured after the above are done
• can consider bayT down the line and building up rosanna later on

[tropic summit]

you welcome happy hunting

[hasty drift]

Much appreciated 🙏

[heady peak]

ya, but I don't know what even I'm putting in for 3rd team... I need to do my Nero one day.. but the moment I do.. Nero will be useless

[hollow lagoon]

Anis prevented me from resetting Nero

[tropic summit]

nero on SP arena wouldn't actually work too well, there's still at least 2 hard counters

[hollow lagoon]

But idk if I love the Nero

[tropic summit]

it's more of a CA team

[heady peak]

aaaaah, still for CA I should eventually upgrade her. But for no ya I'm not going to

[quick lake]

works in SPA too no?

[hollow lagoon]

I lived a slow Cindy on it and the remaining units killed the slow condy I guess it’s worth something, but I think it dies doing into indom vesti

Honestly

It’s not like I can test

Where’s my menus

[heady peak]

so then as far as my defense teams.... other than scarlet.. it's ok?

and why helm in there instead of Rumani

[hollow lagoon]

I’m a leech enjoyer

[heady peak]

?? idg it

[hollow lagoon]

@tropic summit is my sanity good?

[tropic summit]

SP arena

• nayuta privT helmT anisTT bsoda
• moran siren swha lib noah
• jackal cindy vestiTU biscuit scarlet

Notes

• build up emilia, vestiTU and biscuit
• build up lappy (treasure if didn't yet)

get teams upgraded on emi and vestiTU are better built, can improve T3 and T1

[hollow lagoon]

Team 3 has protential to double sacc into Rosa for extra Kekw @tropic summit

[tropic summit]

actually sort of sane, if one wasn't to assume CP at least

T1 is a bit too rosanna weak
T2 ok
T3 is really wild, like "i don't know what that team does, so probably neither does my opponent"

[hollow lagoon]

That Rosa weak thing ain’t going away with reenter anyways

[tropic summit]

i guess

[heady peak]

Lapis is treasured, but what is wrong with biscuit?

[hollow lagoon]

Maybe I’m coping too hard

[hasty drift]

So… I don’t have Nayuta at the moment. Are there any viable substitutions?

[tropic summit]

at least it costs some units to deal with it

[tropic summit]

low CP, build her up, she needs to be around same invest as other pvp cores

[tropic summit]

wdym you don't have nayuta

[heady peak]

aah ok. guess I'll need to fix her lines

[tacit arch]

@tropic summit is my t1 n t2 good enough alr? i kinda confused what to put in my t3...

[hasty drift]

[tropic summit]

change it to

• crown privT helmT centi anis

[hasty drift]

Thank you sensei

[tropic summit]

CP looks kinda low in T1, post your box or blabla link set to public, makes it easier for me to tell what you can run

[heady peak]

also scarlet regular on that team with cindy already and vesti?

[dense abyss]

i haven't really focused on pvp since starting this game on release, but i kind of want to update my sp arena & rookie arena teams. assuming i have all characters, what would be the recommended teeams for each arena?

[tacit arch]

aight hol up

[tropic summit]

she's there to CP pad but also retain s2 pressure mechanic as linked unit, vestiTU is for early pressure and force a biscuit ideally out of enemy, cindy is your main nuker

that team is essentially a glass cannon with pseudo stall via biscuit

[heady peak]

ah ok.

[tropic summit]

it's the best option you've atm to make it still somewat expensive to deal with, because it retains threat and CP

[heady peak]

also anis TT is the new one?

[tropic summit]

ye, if you didn't get her get her immediatly

[heady peak]

I have her

[tropic summit]

broken on pve and pvp content

[heady peak]

core 3

[waxen cairn]

sorry if my inexperience is talking, but is it possible to be given attack teams? I presume theres too much varience in the possible attack teams, so its better to change your attack teams as you go?
ive lwk been copy pasting my defence teams onto my attack teams, so idk if that was the play or not

[tacit arch]

https://www.blablalink.com/shiftyspad/home?uid=MjkwODAtMTU1MzkwNTA4Njg5NDk4NDk0MjA%3D&openid=MjkwODAtMTU1MzkwNTA4Njg5NDk4NDk0MjA%3D

[heady peak]

i'm just used to calling her Starnis lol so I was like ..... TT?

[tropic summit]

you're correct, attack teams are made on the moment most of the times

you can in general deal with 95% of the enemy teams with 1 indom team and 1 noah-biscuit archetype

you can gain experience by asking here before you run the teams so people can tell you if they're right or wrong and what to correct

[tropic summit]

she goes by many names i guess

anisOS
anisTT
TT
...

[tropic summit]

set it to public next, still private

[shell hazel]

@tropic summit where my ship assists at?

[tacit arch]

oh... my bad, i alr make it visible to all

[tropic summit]

eh i might quit endfield, it's become stale and 2 days to go with NTE

switching to playing it weekly on saturday/sunday for now

[heady peak]

endfield was fun for a couple weeks

but ya got boring fast

[tropic summit]

the dailies are boring
the story isn't catchy enough, although it had its moments
character design is amazing but it can't carry the whole game
minigames are boring fast enough, cuz i've already burned out from genshin and zelda and the likes

essentially i'm very sensible to open world because it's satured as hell, so they gotta bring something good with them or i'll ditch them soon enough

[quick lake]

hows NTE so far?

[tropic summit]

the promise is very good, but we'll see the execution

it brings a lot of neat things

[shell hazel]

fair fair

[tropic summit]

and i'm extremely in favor of its anti-p2p approach

[shell hazel]

will be trying out NTE with rail

maybe we can make a union? 😮

[tropic summit]

let's see if the game is good first

[shell hazel]

I wanna play now

let me in Rail

[tropic summit]

i know

[tropic summit]

https://klipy.com/gifs/let-me-in-eric-andre-3--k01KQ7133KTD8GYFKQ3D36Y61R6

[tropic summit]

works now, let's see

[leaden canyon]

whats NTE

[tropic summit]

SP arena

• nayuta privT laplaceT anisTT helmT
• moran siren swha drakeT noah
• jackal scarlet blanc vestiTU lib

[tropic summit]

anime GTA with waifus

[leaden canyon]

oh thats out in 2 days?

I was interested in that game

[tropic summit]

ye on the 29th

[leaden canyon]

holy that snuck up on me

[shell hazel]

there is a diff one called Ananta that is coming later (maybe next year)

[shell hazel]

join us for NTE Dair

[quick lake]

Im waiting for Kaleidorider

[tropic summit]

https://klipy.com/gifs/i-know-what-kind-of-man-you-are-moist-i-know-what-kind-of-mand-you-are--k01KQ71F3V1S4V9SBPW3JEH8ZQF

[tacit arch]

is nayuta really that op in pvp?

[shell hazel]

the waifu models look good but the gameplay looked kind of mid

[tropic summit]

it's not nayuta alone, but the combo of pressure that team brings

[quick lake]

hmmm yeah mayve

[tropic summit]

by herself nayuta is still strong although, give her the right team and it'll cost a biscuit/moran/noah

[hollow lagoon]

@tropic summit

[tropic summit]

which is kinda expensive

[hollow lagoon]

For the first time we get to buff rosana

[tropic summit]

ah back to the classics on T1 and T2, re-enter sacc is kinda iffy tho

[hollow lagoon]

Noah takes time to resolve no?

[tropic summit]

ye the first unit that can buff rosanna pre burst aside from passive buffers

[tropic summit]

you'll hit before noah, but not before moran/noise, which can be a problemo

[hollow lagoon]

Before Moran/noise is iffy to begin with no?

[tropic summit]

nah 2RL sacc into 1.5RL can hit before they burst

1.5RL you're on B3 when enemy is on B1

[hollow lagoon]

Can’t sacc into 1.5 I don’t think

[heady peak]

yes

[tropic summit]

you won't sacc regardless on def unless opponent is 🐒 anyway

[hollow lagoon]

well I’ll take reenter

[tropic summit]

that's... worth a shot

[hollow lagoon]

They have to sacc I’m playing Emma

[tropic summit]

in your specific case yeah, they don't really get a choice

[dense abyss]

could i get recommendations for rookie arena def & sp arena def teams please 😄

https://www.blablalink.com/shiftyspad/nikke-list?uid=MjkwODAtMTAxMDY3NTgyMjc2MzUwOTUyNTM%3D&type=normal&openid=MjkwODAtMTAxMDY3NTgyMjc2MzUwOTUyNTM%3D

[heady peak]

speaking of .... for pvp

Emlia needs Charge Speed, ammo and attack?

[hollow lagoon]

Emma needs nothing she needs to die

[tacit arch]

so the t1 utilize priv stun team and mostly that team runwith buffed laplace with anis buff hence huge basic atk dmg and anis alone is dps? and nayuta aoe burst atk?

i dont quite understand with the strategy of the team 2, why drake? and why there is siren on spot 2?

and for t3, isnt indom team best use when using it on 2rl team?, isnt it gonna die fast when using blanc's skill of slow burst gen team?

pardon for my eng lmao, and im kinda still learning for pvp, thanks for your help brother

[heady peak]

i meant emilia

[hollow lagoon]

[tropic summit]

@shell hazel dayum 63GB

[tropic summit]

x4 CS%
x4 atk%
x1-2 ammo
rest can be ele%

[hollow lagoon]

I gotta stay cursed anyhow

[heady peak]

thanks

[tropic summit]

https://klipy.com/gifs/leonardo-dicaprio-85--k01KQ71W00SPAKA4XN03TEFQNBK

[shell hazel]

doesn't look comfortable haah

[hollow lagoon]

[tropic summit]

T1 wants the match to be over at B3, if it isn't over at B3, it will be right after, unless opponent spent anti nuke and stalling, which is what that team wants
T2 is a stall team with siren pressure and p5 pressure, it's DPS oriented and wants to out trade or cost an indom
T3 is a typical scarlet indom, but with added vestiTU pressure on p1, p2, p3 to force a biscuit

[shell hazel]

https://tenor.com/view/wolf-of-wall-street-rookie-numbers-gif-20904132

[hollow lagoon]

@tropic summit huh dis is possible

Insurance ish on Privity and extra healing share through mana+nayuta

It ain’t much but it could be something

Otherwise put Xmaiden over mana?

[tropic summit]

SP arena

• nayuta privT noir anisTT helmT
• jackal vestiTU xmaiden blanc laplaceT
• moran noah siren swha biscuit

[tacit arch]

ic2, and what liberalio do on t3? giving cs for vesti tu?

[shell hazel]

I will see out Wuling story stuff Rail - see how I feel then, the dailies aren't too bad in the game at least once you got a pattern down

I'm in sleep mode for a while now though 1.3 is not for about 40 days

[tropic summit]

hmm looks good, T3 is kinda low on pre B2 threat but it makes up with sustain and pseudo revive i guess, still very rosannable

[shell hazel]

reasonable rosannable

[tropic summit]

mitigates rosanna and contributes to CP and burst gen

[tacit arch]

and also at t1
should i use tempering cube on nayuta and helm? same goes with moran and noah on t2 and scarlet on t3?

and the rest will be highest level cube for cp?

[hollow lagoon]

That comp is kinda Rosa able period no? Even the helm version

[tropic summit]

Cubes:

nayuta any
privT tempering
lappy quantum
anisTT quantum
helmT tempering

moran tempering
siren any/tempering/vigor
swha tempering
drakeT any
noah tempering/vigor

jackal quantum
scarlet tempering
vestiTU quantum
blanc vigor
lib quantum

[tropic summit]

yeah won't be escaping a rosanna there

realistically most comps will hate rosanna to their dear end

[shell hazel]

https://tenor.com/view/rosanna-nikke-goddess-of-victory-gif-4402321040871909783

[hollow lagoon]

why that hate mafia waifu she ‘a extra good (in bed)

[tropic summit]

one of the very few units SU designed with the intent of being pvp oriented

[hollow lagoon]

Gets her cover blown by a water unit

[tropic summit]

[tropic summit]

in her defense it took 4 years to finally release a unit that reveals her cloak regardless

give her some credit for resisting partial powercreep

[hollow lagoon]

Then 4.5 years and then u have a unit that buffs her regardless

At cost of speed but still

[tropic summit]

being a nikke developer must be hell, imagine when you gotta balance the game with over 150+ units of which some are downright broken and you gotta avoid making them even further broken

[hollow lagoon]

Anis being a reenter is limiting my plays tbh

Image the comp I just made but label instead of mana

There’s a chance a not invested Rosa not strip that buff no?

[tropic summit]

hmmm if she isn't 7/10/10 she dispells less iirc

[hollow lagoon]

Ye

[tropic summit]

less number of buffs per unit

[hollow lagoon]

Ain’t nothing stopppingnme from putting neon neon as Privity replacement and that comp become immune to Rosa

[tropic summit]

losing out on the stun would be a pity

[hollow lagoon]

Neon got some staying power

[tropic summit]

[hollow lagoon]

Mana res + the whatever invuln

When she get hit

[tropic summit]

yeah i can see what you mean

[hollow lagoon]

Would be extra funny if deth/resurrection reset the timer

Comes back to a neon with another 3 sec invun

eat another 2-3 shots of neon

[tropic summit]

T2 is 2RL noah, directly counters scarlet 2RL

[hollow lagoon]

Cuz ur t2 is not that mu ch faster and the anis killed ur entire team

[tropic summit]

you're using rock to fight paper here

[hollow lagoon]

More like sizzors to fight rock

[tropic summit]

or using fire to fight water

[hollow lagoon]

Idk man I had shit sleep and now some one ask me why scar lose to Noah

[tropic summit]

ikr

[hollow lagoon]

Typical Monday

[tropic summit]

i'm just glad i'm on holiday whole week, already looking forward to ramen tonight

gonna spoil myself so much, I need the rest

[hollow lagoon]

I had rest when I killed my ankle and had to stay home in agony

[shell hazel]

you go back to work I go on leave instead

[tropic summit]

2RL noah has anti nuke, no 2RL nuker will do well against that matchup
you want a 2RL indom to punish 2RL anti nuke

run

vestiTU blanc RH centi jackal

with vestiTU equipped with tempering

[glad meteor]

[shell hazel]

https://tenor.com/view/kobayashi-kanna-kanna-kamui-eating-earing-everything-gif-15746697088685313350

[tropic summit]

bet your smartworking anyway, acting like you working

[hollow lagoon]

Idk. His indom biscuit set is creative

[shell hazel]

I have to finish story bits for nikke update, I wanna get them all done before NTE

[tropic summit]

p1 and p2 defender with biscuit suffer same fate as all other stalls, if you pop biscuits pre burst, that lineup falls once vestiTU hits

[hollow lagoon]

It wasn’t a compliment

[tropic summit]

https://klipy.com/gifs/anime-girl-639--k01KQ73EF919MG89FSDKFXXHA9S

[tropic summit]

a wise decision

[hollow lagoon]

His b3 died in his indom comp, his indom target was the biscuit

[tropic summit]

if you using indom elsewhere, you're using it wrong

order of solving:

1. indom or anti nuke weak
2. whatever is left of the above, doesn't work as solution? invert and retry
3. solved? done
4. not solved? consider stall and slow cindy or instant nukers

show all 3 teams and we can help btw

[shell hazel]

core max whale chan in my SPA beat ziz at 541

[tropic summit]

there's 2 types, biscuit or biscuitless

with biscuit:

• noah biscuit helmt siren swha (punishes stunnable p1)
• noah biscuit cindy helmt rumani/anisTT (standard 2RL anti nuke, short stall)
• noah biscuit helmt vestiTU noise (standard 2RL anti nuke with sustain and DPS, middle stall)
• moran noah biscuit helmT SWHA (standard 2RL anti nuke with sustain and DPS, heavy stall)
  ...there's more variants with bay/noise/moran/jackal etc

without biscuit

• noise noah helmt swha flex (anti nuke with sustain and DPS)
• moran siren helmt swha noah (anti nuke with stun pressure and DPS)
• noise rumani cindy helmt noah (anti nuke with nuke)
  ... there's more variants with bay/noise/moran/jackal etc

the TL;DR version would be:

• add biscuit for real stall
• keep noise/moran B1 and noah B2 alive to burst and on 2RL

i also didn't go in depth with the blanc stalls and the nero moran stalls, as then it would take a while to list them all

[tacit arch]

yo railtracer, i kinda interested in keripo's recent vid that shows 1.4rl burst team, like the first team, wht do you think? is it good for atk team in general?

and for indom i'd just copy your build...

and im still searching a good synergies of nikke for t3...,

[tropic summit]

• indom vestiTU/SWHA/scarlet
• moran noah biscuit stalls or moran/noise bay biscuit stalls
• 2RL nayuta with RH or anisTT or label B1, may or may not include privT

aim for these 3

[shell hazel]

there's 2 types, biscuit or biscuitless

biscuits with tea, or biscuits without tea

[tropic summit]

🍵

[tropic summit]

the cindy team is a tad weird and has vulnerable noah, remember that cindy decoy makes most weapon skip target, which means you're running actually a p1 noah without any protection

the other team is fine

[tacit arch]

is it better to swap cindy with s.anis so tt-anis would get the atk buff from s.anis too

[tropic summit]

there's a few rules you should ideally have whenever making a team, i'll try to list them in priority:

1. resistant p1, if your p1 is abusable/stunnable or is your team weakpoint, don't run that team (e.g. aim for moran or jackal/jackal linked units B1 or nayuta with a siren resistant team)
2. your team must not have killable pre burst core units of your burst chain (e.g. a B2 or B3 killable before they reach anti nuke or indom)
3. team must not be SG sensible (don't run teams that can die to SG pressure)
4. team must not be siren stunnable (don't run B2 in p1 that are not siren resistant via CS%, don't run B3 in p1)
5. aim for 2RL or 2.5RL that has a B1 nuke resistant burst (moran/noise)

start by matching the above and you'll likely have a competent team

[tacit arch]

thanks a lot man

[lethal karma]

just for funsies, how do i beat this team in deficit

[tropic summit]

• jackal blanc vestiTU biscuit ada/helmT (vestiTU linked and lowest HP in link)
• blanc vestiTU rh biscuit jackal (prefer if closer to avoid penalty)

unfortunately for you that's a very anti underdog team, your odds will be slim

moran is already a war crime if gapped, helmT just adds the icing on the cake

[lost ether]

wouldnt vesti be taking double dmg cuz of jackal link and water weak?

[cedar sorrel]

Tempering always > than endurance right?

[tropic summit]

only if she's the one being directly hit, e.g. enemy team if vestiTU is in p3 would only hit her indirectly with SWHA, the other damage is distributed accounting jackal element and DR

[tropic summit]

endurance never, tempering to 7 or 11 or 15

[cedar sorrel]

Ive finally unlocked tempering now ans my resil is at 9 should I keep levelling resil or invest tempering

[tropic summit]

if you're not stuck at snake/ziz you won't need tempering yet, but you'll want it lvl 7 down the line

@shell hazel gettin' ready

[cedar sorrel]

Ah so even in pve tempering will be needed at some point thats good to know

[shell hazel]

https://tenor.com/view/let-me-in-eric-andre-wanna-come-in-gif-13730108

[misty finch]

Does this affect how she performs? she was p3

[lethal karma]

its 38% deficit

[tropic summit]

...pick someone else

[lethal karma]

i did, was simply curious

[dense abyss]

thanks! any suggestions for cubes for the non-quantums?

[tropic summit]

nayuta any
privT tempering
noir quantum
anis quantum
helmt any

jackal quantum
vestITU any
xmaiden quantum
blanc any
laplaceT vigor

moran tempering
noah tempering
siren any
swha tempering/vigor
biscuit vigor/any

[sand holly]

can anyone help me modify my teams. Who should I replace? Or should I changed it up completely

[hollow lagoon]

[dreamy wing]

Anyone knows the strategy to predict winners in champions arena
What are the winning key units 🤔

[lunar pawn]

just analyze the matchups

[dreamy wing]

Any new resources to learn from
Most of them are outdated

[oak smelt]

If you have good pvp knowledge then you can do it all in your head otherwise use Nikke deck/top and put in all the units in the matchup.

[oak smelt]

Its not outdated, most are still relevant

[dreamy wing]

Most guids doesn't mention the new snow-white, while it is used in all teams 😓

Some people use mihara which is also a big question mark ❓️for me🤔

[tropic summit]

missing from this list there are CA specific comps, which are absolute and slow cindy (midhara with or without)

and ofc nero moran

[unique wagon]

@umbral belfry did you test

[unique wagon]

Rapu Soline doko, and Absolute TVesti

[tropic summit]

those are glass cannon with gimmic but yeah we'd have a long list if we add all the variants

[full elk]

could I get some pvp team builds please?
https://www.blablalink.com/shiftyspad/nikke-list?uid=MjkwODAtNjI5OTIzNDAxNjQxOTMyMTY2OA%3D%3D

[severe dawn]

Hello, I thought Centi Treasure is bad, but why many people using her in Champion?

[tropic summit]

phase 1 is safe, phase2+ needs slow teams to benefit

[dreamy wing]

Small test here

Who do you think will win here in 3 & 5

[tropic summit]

SP arena

• nayuta centi helmt rh emilia
• anisTT blanc scarlet biscuit jackal
• moran noise swha noir noah

Notes

• build up vestiTU asap, get teams upgraded once she's ready
• improve CP on emilia

[brazen salmon]

want to ask if bay still needed if my each SPA team has each of the b2

blanc
noah
nayuta

[tropic summit]

you can slot 3 teams
bay runs a stall team just like noah, but she's slightly less effective than noah

you could run 3 teams with a bay stall, a noah stall and an indom
or
you could run 3 teams with a noah stall, a nayuta glass cannon and an indom

[dreamy wing]

Any predictions 👀

[tropic summit]

at the end of the day run what seems to work against your opponent, because they can't figure it out
if they figure it out, keep changing it up

[tropic summit]

i'll ping some of the CA experts, this matchup is a bit weird due to cindy p2 and potential timing on stun for blanc to miss B2 cast window

@swift mango @gaunt pulsar

[full elk]

is vestiTU a massive upgrade for my current setup? also do I not need quantum cube on anyone? do I just slap on my maxed resi and bastion cubes instead?

[crystal flicker]

Today I woke up and find myself at D1

https://tenor.com/view/hoshimachi-suisei-pondering-wtf-wut-what-gif-24616820

[lost ether]

where u at before? c5?

[brazen salmon]

ok basically less budget noah, can she work as offburst

[crystal flicker]

c4 iirc

[lost ether]

dam, ig it gem and figure another def teams then

[crystal flicker]

I'll leave it be tbh

[lost ether]

[tropic summit]

nah she's meaningless offburst

[hollow lagoon]

@tropic summit I’m feeling the Centi treasure issue now Kekw

[crystal flicker]

I need to work on PvE & Tons of Lines

And reaching taht 481/501

[tropic summit]

nayuta any
centi quantum
helmt temp
rh any
emi quantum

anisTT quantum
blanc vigor
scarlet temp
biscuit vigor
jackal quantum

moran temp
noise vigor
swha temp
noir any
noah temp/vigor

[tropic summit]

a choice was made, now just trust the process

[brazen salmon]

okay then no need to train since i use the above mentioned 3 burst 2 thanks

[dreamy wing]

@gaunt pulsar what is your prediction here 🤔

[lost ether]

surely there is a chance for SU to fix that issue like how they did it for sbs dmg thru invun

[tropic summit]

if only...

[swift mango]

Cindy team lose unless Centi could face tank scarlet wipe. Which is not often happen unless scarlet very pepega. Moran and Cindy alone doesn't have the dmg, they need at least Midhara to deal dmg. If siren could stun scarlet it's a win though. Again, their scarlet needs to have bad investment or high ammo to lose.

The SW match up though, Blanc Indom has good enough chance to win thanks to Midhara dot. In fact, I lost this match up before.

[dreamy wing]

What do you guys mean by ( cindy )

[swift mango]

Cinderella

[gaunt pulsar]

my gut feeling is scarlet pfp dude wins both matches.
in t5 i dont see his scarlet not being able to the job there
with t3 i have no experience with because of ada and mihara but when there no mihara and siren instead you need to one shot rumani or stun her for it to win, otherwise there no gap for swha to stop them from indom also i'm not sure if swha can live through mihara dot on ada buff alone

[swift mango]

SW would be one clap by Cindy.

Assuming Cindy is 3-4 Ele as everyone should have.

Ofc that assumes the Cindy team can burst and not have anyone of the b1-2-3 killed before burst.

[gaunt pulsar]

today on discovery channel

[swift mango]

If Cindy died and they could only do Rumani+Blanc and Midhara dot, Noise should win SW the match up.

[gaunt pulsar]

would she really counter it? or lifesteal with her buff would really be enough is what i'm interested in

[swift mango]

Noise healing would counter Midhara dot

Moran without healing may lose (she might still solo) but Noise healing strong enough to counter it

So long as no other source of dmg

[unique wagon]

@umbral belfry given your stall comp being more efficient (uses Bay instead of Biscu), I believe it allows for better SpA def

[gaunt pulsar]

https://tenor.com/view/goddess-of-victory-nikke-doro-meme-thinks-gif-17901896765027359355

i see

[hybrid fox]

I need healing

I wasnt able to defeat someone with a similar def teams last time

[swift mango]

Good luck to him

[tropic summit]

he forgot to unlock p5, silly chinnit

[swift mango]

I finally got bad luck with SR0 for once, 100 blue, 40 purple, 40 red to SR5.

Equivalent to 400 blue, Worse than my equivalent to 300 blue to r15 before, or was it 390?

[tropic summit]

assemble these and show CP

[tropic summit]

statistically it had to happen eventually

i tried once going from SR0 to SR5, never again

cancerous RNG that i'd rather avoid, always

[swift mango]

[oak smelt]

@ Mod

[swift mango]

I just did less than 100 blue to S10-s15 on Anis the day before. Guess it's even out.

[tropic summit]

at least that

now you gotta heal from bad RNG when rerolling ele%

but might need an exorcist rather than a healer

[swift mango]

I had good Ele RNG when rolling for Emi CS or Scarlet Crit dmg though.

[oak smelt]

I rather hold my unit with no doll than to put SR0, the rate here is just so bad at SR0 to SR5

[gaunt bane]

Looking for a refresh on my SPA def, here's my box: https://www.blablalink.com/shiftyspad/nikke-list?uid=MjkwODAtNjk0NzgzNDI1MDUyOTc3MzU1OA%3D%3D
Last team is just auto CP gap. I'm about similar sync with the guy that's hitting me, so perhaps I could afford 1 unbuilt battery each team lol.

[swift mango]

Statistically speaking you only lose like 20 blue from one Sr0-sr5 instead of R0-r15 on average.

Ofc gamble more

[oak smelt]

I don't think i will ever try that, using blue kits for R0 to R15 is so much more efficient

If you get a bad roll from blue kit then you can use 10/20 purprle for super sucess from R0 to R15

[swift mango]

You need at least 30 blue to r15, and at least 10 blue to SR5.

[oak smelt]

[unique wagon]

What is your first thought of beating this team (T2 is 2 RL*)
T3 order is messed up but whatever

[oak smelt]

Sure, rate for that is slightly less than getting an SSR at 3.6% lol

[swift mango]

[hybrid fox]

the TTanis right

[mystic rain]

sr0-5 is a scam bro

[unique wagon]

I know someone beat it using Rapu Soline but

[tropic summit]

show CP with these, might need to balance T3

once that's sorted think i got your teams

[tropic summit]

yep anisTT

[tropic summit]

T1 slow cindy (or anis blanc biscuit archetype)
T2 anti nuke
T3 slower indom or skip

This is likely your best set you built so far, good job making multiple indom resistant teams

[swift mango]

@raven plover calls her Thanos.

[hybrid fox]

what

WHAT

[hybrid fox]

anusTT?

[unique wagon]

who wins

[raven plover]

shes purple (electric)

tt anis overspec

tt anis os

thanos

[static dew]

Can i have some advice? Need to update my teams cause since release of Anis i was pushed back hard
And i'm too lazy can't figure out how to rework teams myself cause i didn't touch them in a while

[unique wagon]

its 2-2 and this team decides I think

will Jackal steal indom from XMaiden?

Will Jackal die?

[swift mango]

I will be damned if Besti team could" burst

[tropic summit]

from what we've seen absolute can actually nuke link, it has a good chance to kill all p1-p2-p3

[mystic rain]

p sure absolute wins

[unique wagon]

wow thank u both teams have vesti

[raven plover]

172k cp besti, thing is what line for that cp, thats really invested one