pvp-arena

[keen patio]

So basically a 2RL team would be safest for that kind of setup, provided there isn't a Noise or Noah to override her burst taunt

[tropic summit]

yeah most cases will be:

• having a 11%CS team wide 2RL team, then you can afford B2 in p1
• having a noah+noise with noise taunt priority, it will render noah immune to siren stun (as long as noah isn't p1)
• having a non 11CS% team wide team but running p1 B1 (B1 on 2RL cannot be siren stunned)
• having a moran pulling siren in any p, on 2RL

[keen patio]

Thanks, that makes sense

[fading birch]

Label doesnt defend against Rosanna because of buff removal right?

[tropic summit]

only the 2 highest atk% units that get dispelled lose the dmg reduction, the other 3 will still retain it

[fading birch]

my entire SP bracket has advanced to top 32. If I win the next match, entire bracket will advance to top 16 probably cuz i dont see my other guys losing

[umbral belfry]

you just jinxed it

now they all losing

[fading birch]

well I wont go any further than 16, I'll hit the buzzsaw that is Radeki

not sure if I'm gonna win my next one honestly

[umbral belfry]

@bronze drift

[umbral belfry]

dw cygnus. he bullied me once before too

he 4-1'd me, i said at least it wasn't a 5-0. next ca he 5-0'd me

run while you can!!!

he's a bully!!!

[fading birch]

i'm just happy to have broken out of qualifiers one last time since i'm on vacation for the next 3 months due to the reset

[umbral belfry]

[fading birch]

people are voting for me so maybe I got a chance

or maybe I'm about to cost a whole lot of people 6 gold cases

[arctic jewel]

same, I've only managed to complete Satellites on Hard mode

[cedar sorrel]

Im trying to get all eyes on me full combo on hard mode

I had a run with 1 good

[tacit wagon]

what would be the best comp for rookie arena?

[bronze drift]

If we match, good luck!
I didn’t look at the matchups, but I stopped investing PvP a while ago so you probably have a good chance

[fading birch]

I'm less invested than you lol

got a late start on PVP

[bronze drift]

Deserved
Hime is a big bully
Makes fun of f2ps who don’t whale like her
I heard her account averages 30 pulls a day

[finite scarab]

how do you deal with Indomitability?

[fading birch]

usually a slower indom team

[umbral belfry]

[finite scarab]

slower indom team=indom+dr/share HP/heals?

[fading birch]

https://tenor.com/view/bookio-gif-13932157847762104386

it depends on the comp you are facing, I'm certainly no genius but I tend to go for a blanc biscuit one with enough defenders to avoid being 1 shot and make it to burst

[umbral belfry]

does this mean whenever we fight again i have a chance too

[bronze drift]

Maybe by then 3-2 instead of 5-0

[umbral belfry]

[lone sequoia]

now rookie have chimera opponents, random ign, team, frames, profile nikke, i almost send a battle to a mix of 4 accounts

[compact eagle]

indom team usually has jackal link to guarantee the correct person gets the buff, so you could also try your luck with Rosanna to screw that up

[keen patio]

I'm considering something odd for Rookie defence
No one in my group runs Rosanna

[north brook]

Meta been shattered by anis so nothing is really safe

Apart from just way bigger sync

Maybe giving big offensive buffs huge burst gen was a mistake

[tropic summit]

there's one problemo, rosanna is p2, jackal is p1

[finite scarab]

how does jackal biscuit synergy work? biscuits invi only works on jackal and not the 2 other allies?

[mint kite]

If only jackal gets hit, then while she's invuln, the other two don't take damage

[keen patio]

I was considering Rosanna in P1 too
For this setup, I wanted to make use of Rosanna's buff removal to deal with other indom teams

I wasn't entirely sure if my Rosanna's burst would be strong enough to snipe the opponent's attackers

[finite scarab]

holy thats pretty insane synergy

[tropic summit]

so you using rosanna there just to remove links/debuff attackers, i guess that's an option if any

keep in mind that rosanna needs to be linked there and highest HP in link to ensure SWHA gets indommed

[keen patio]

My Snow and Rosanna are both similar in HP, so Vigor should do the trick

I might just try this comp on defence and see what happens

[tropic summit]

maybe it messes up the opponent enough to get you some wins, sounds good

[finite scarab]

this explains positioning of jackal links only right?

[mint kite]

How is the link taking the damage in the second case?

[tropic summit]

it assumes no biscuit is present

[mint kite]

Oh

[tropic summit]

no it explains damage distribution

[lone sequoia]

i think the knowledge check in pvp is if people use snipers to misindom against some teams...

probably tt/blanc/vesti/biscuit/mihara do the trick

or helmT b3

[finite scarab]

to confirm, with biscuit present, the links will be invi upon biscuit s2 activation?

[tropic summit]

taking the example about, let's assume the following:

jackal blanc vestiTU biscuit Helmt (this is a typical anti deficit team)

most units hit p1 and p2, a few can hit p3 (emi and vestiTU) and only a very few can poke the whole team (SWHA)

that said, most enemy comps will essentially not do any link dmg after you pop invulnerable on jackal there

[finite scarab]

oh right i just realised my question was redundant, because jackal dosent take any damage at all in invi, thus no damage done to link allies

[tropic summit]

a very simple example here

as you can see 4 units out of 5 hit p1 and p2, once jackal is invulnerable, 4 units won't do realistically any damage anymore

blanc is unlinked so she won't carry any dmg to the link
jackal is linked and at 50% will become invulnerable

vestiTU after jackal is invulnerable will only suffer dmg from SWHA pokes

[mint kite]

Augh rookie bug is back

At least it happened with only one attempt left

[tropic summit]

not getting that bug so far on global

[mint kite]

Happened as soon as I swapped from 4 to 3

Got the default lobby background and freeze

Restart NIKKE and now arena is inaccessible

[lone sequoia]

5 bugs at least,
opponent visual glitch /weird position
lobby bug (no connection error- empty lobby)
lobby bug (connection error- can't enter back to rookie)
no attack/team windows (it probably shows in a different place on the screen)
chimera opponent (a mix between random teams, ign, icon, frame from people in your bracket)
there is also the one that just...corrupt the files (not sure how to fix that)

[keen smelt]

RAIL

https://tenor.com/view/nikke-goddess-of-victory-alice-pyeonsiks92-gif-9785419766974894040

[tropic summit]

https://klipy.com/gifs/my-dress-up-darling-sono-bisque-doll-wa-koi-wo-suru-18--k01KQ5NVM5WA1EK629YDMAHG52J

[keen smelt]

rail is anis good for pvp i feel like she is

[tropic summit]

she's broken, go get her

[keen smelt]

periodt

how would a pvp team look with her

[tropic summit]

intern-kun did an oopsie and gave her a tad too much buffing

[tropic summit]

anis blanc helmt biscuit swha
nayuta privT helmt anis emilia

or use her as clipRL offburst

[keen smelt]

rn i have nayuta centi thelm anistar red hood

[keen smelt]

icic

[tropic summit]

replace RH with emi/laplaceT/vestiTU/SWHA

rest can work

[keen smelt]

which would be the best out of those

swha?

[tropic summit]

any is fine of those, w/e doesn't break your other teams

[keen smelt]

icic

[tropic summit]

bestoverall emi/vestiTU/SWHA cuz added threat

lappy is the weakest among those 4

[keen smelt]

my team 2 has blanc all by herself is that okay

err like no rouge no noir

[tropic summit]

hmm depends where blanc is and how it looks

[keen smelt]

blanc is p4
jackal tuvesti xmaiden blanc libby

[tropic summit]

ya all gud

[keen smelt]

just sometimes i watch the matches to see like what goes on and sometimes i reach a second burst but that 60s or 40s cooldown feels like a nerf

[lone sequoia]

that depends on what is your game plan, some teams want to survive to reach a 2nd burst rotation to have more dmg than the enemy team and win there, others just want to win fast with their first rotation or even pre-burst

[keen smelt]

i think im perma nerfed in pvp ngl

i didnt know what i was doing for so long and theres a lot of whales in my server

everybodies like mid 500-600 and im 484

[lone sequoia]

no one knows what they are doing until they quit pvp, that is the smartest thing to do

[tropic summit]

[keen smelt]

what are you me for

[tropic summit]

well you don't necessarely need to try too hard in pvp, can still enjoy the game without it

[keen smelt]

tru

[tropic summit]

dia1-dia2 probably still within range

[keen smelt]

i cant seem to score higher than rank 30

[tropic summit]

that's 2k gems iirc

[lone sequoia]

pvp is the only place that still have some sort of team building, the rest is just meta/dupes kingdom

[keen smelt]

i wonder if pvp would be better at a sync lock or limit

i feel like itd be harder

[lone sequoia]

worse, you can't fix these system unless you change how the sub-server and rewards work

[keen smelt]

ah

[tropic summit]

hmm it would punish whales and help f2p, that's unhealthy for SU sales, so it won't happen

[lone sequoia]

the only reason for this kind of pvp is to make you spend money faster, so SU can get more money from new players fast even if they quit

a false threat that tricks you into buying more resources to "win" the fight

[keen smelt]

i feel like sin would be OP for pvp if it weren’t for her enemies only condition

[lone sequoia]

i always think that the boring ladder/points system that don't affect you if you lose in defense is the best system, but that also reduce the pvp value in most games

[tropic summit]

a lot of nikke would be downright broken if they removed those conditions

e.g. elegg

[keen smelt]

sin essentially has perma stun

5 second stun and reset every last bullet

i feel like shes really not a bad unit she just has no place in the current meta in anything

[tropic summit]

[keen smelt]

whos that

[lone sequoia]

elegg

og, electric unit

[tropic summit]

a girl bigboi would like cuz he likes them thicc

[keen smelt]

damn he better stop flirting with me then

[lone sequoia]

meta in the last months of the normal UR (before hard mode)

[tropic summit]

tummy to protect

[keen smelt]

thats like hardly anything

[lone sequoia]

elegg better than bready

[keen smelt]

thats me on a regular basis

im a size 3 in jeans 😭

[tropic summit]

[keen smelt]

im saying shes not chunky

[tropic summit]

yeah makes sense

[lone sequoia]

all depends on the height

[keen smelt]

noir and tia are like the only “fat” characters

[tropic summit]

anis tummy for reference

[keen smelt]

sometimes i have to bite my tongue in this community

[tropic summit]

nah go ahead and say what you thought

[keen smelt]

im like one of the only girls who play this game fheres like 20 of us

[tropic summit]

pvp channel has all very open minded individuals

[lone sequoia]

you can talk bs, just remember to say sorry and keep with your life, that is the most sane thing to do

[keen smelt]

shes unproportional, thats simply where realistically her organs would be stored

if her chest is that big, it wouldnt be inverting at the top like that

[tropic summit]

oh nice point

[versed mesa]

Noir, Bready, Elegg and Anis are all in my YES! YES!! YES!!! category

[keen smelt]

it may be a bit thinner because thats where your ribs start getting smaller but they’re essentially not taking bodily autonomy into account

[tropic summit]

her shooting pose makes it even more appearent i guess

[lone sequoia]

no maiden?

[keen smelt]

exactly

[versed mesa]

YES!!!!

[tropic summit]

and big dumpy

[versed mesa]

[keen smelt]

ill give them credit where credit is due, they didnt just give her a big butt and skinny legs, they accurately showed the weight distribution throughout her legs and thighs

[tropic summit]

well if there's one thing nikke is really good at, is making character design

[keen smelt]

yeah just sometimes the anatomy is a bit off

[tropic summit]

if they'd put half of that effort in their QoL department...

[placid bloom]

Wym, I thought they rely on AI now

[keen smelt]

generally speaking they do a pretty good job but

[tropic summit]

who doesn't in 2026

[keen smelt]

since when

[keen smelt]

oh hell no

[lone sequoia]

since 8 years ago at least...

[tropic summit]

there's probably AI in small or bigger parts everywhere, if it helps speeding up a process without ruining the quality then it's all good

AI per se isn't bad, but it's how you use it

[lone sequoia]

i remember the CEO trained an ai to his art style

[tropic summit]

most simple example is in coding or in repeated tasks

[keen smelt]

i think ai needs to be used for better purposes not meaningless shit humans can do just fine

[tropic summit]

you can delegate some to AI while retaining quality

[tropic summit]

yes and no, if it helps in tasks you'd be wasting a person talents on, then it's a good investiment imo

[lone sequoia]

real AI uses have been the same for the last 20 or 30 years, the art thing as a tool, few business do that, the rest is just slop or bait

[versed mesa]

As someone who has done coding with someone who uses AI... No thanks

[keen smelt]

there was this artical a little while ago i saw where ai predicted cancer in someone that wasnt visible to human eye

im okay with shit like that

[tropic summit]

ye that's a good example

progress overall i'm in favour of it

[keen smelt]

wasting a persons talents?

but thats what makes fhem human thats what theyre good at, why replace it if it isnt broken

maybe it just boils down to i dont feel like i always need the new and improved thing if the old thing i have works fine

[tropic summit]

yeah we still have some very manial/silly tasks in IT that we tend to delegate to juniors/new entries

now say we remove those silly tasks with AI, it means you can then eliminate the need of such waste of time

[keen smelt]

i mean i guess but those small tasks help get people in the groove or actually make them work regardless if its manial

[lone sequoia]

the problem is that the new thing doesn't work as how they sell it to you and the things that work are not "new"

[tropic summit]

they can then be put on more interesting things because you've gained extra time and less effort

[tropic summit]

unfortunately not always, sometimes they're really just tasks nobody wants to do and you throw poor ol interns on those

[keen smelt]

like for example, i used my first phone for almost 5 years, it was the old iphone se and fhe only reason i swapped it is because fhe battery life was at 30%, wouldnt charge and couldnt hold a charge

[versed mesa]

And when junior tasks are removed, no companies hire juniors anymore and then we get no new seniors when the current ones retire

[tropic summit]

depends, it's not always like that but i know what you mean

it has its pro and c.ons

[keen smelt]

ive only ever had two phones including the one im typing on rn

i just dont feel the need for constant new things when theres little improvement

hence my stance on ai

[tropic summit]

i know what you mean, but keep in mind not being able to adapt or refusing change is not always a good thing

stagnation isn't a good thing

[placid bloom]

I’m still using iPhone SE and it wasn’t new when I bought it, it was refurbished

[tropic summit]

still using an older android type myself

[versed mesa]

I was lukewarm with AI or rather LLMs at best when they first started showing up, but the longer time goes by the more and more I hate it lol

[tropic summit]

but that's only because i can't be asked to spend money on phones

[keen smelt]

i see it as why would i tell someone to go do something when someone is already doing it? i wouldn’t tell my coworker to go mop the floors if someone is already doing it just fine yk

[lone sequoia]

if it works, it works, mobile companies try to make you buy a new one when they stop the support for some phones, i think most people don't use their phones more than 20% of what they can do with them... but if you don't buy new things ff economy

[placid bloom]

If file transfer works good enough for work and it can run Nikke I can be as cheap as I want

[tropic summit]

ya this is also true

[keen smelt]

i have an iphone 12 mini this shit works fine… mostly..

[tropic summit]

https://klipy.com/gifs/todd-howard-it-just-works-1--k01KQ5QMD582WX8F2Z4PH176R4Q

[keen smelt]

this was this morning in my work group chat

[tropic summit]

"excuse me m'am what's your emergency again"

[placid bloom]

Well you really are just paying hundreds more for more storage and a better camera unless you are actually trying to run some 3D games on your phone

[wind kelp]

Not sure if Star Anise is good in pvp, but gear wise, it's a hek of a "first rolls" start for sure.

[keen smelt]

my phone connects to my car and i was listening to music and it was playing music just fine but ig i pressed the power button too many times and it dialed 911, so i cant hear this lady over the phone bc my car is sucky with phone call bluetooth and im like “I DIDNT MEAN TO DIAL 911 IM OKAY I JUST CANT GET MY PHONE TO WORK SORRY I CANT HEAR YOU IM OKAY THOUGH I DONT NEED HELP”

then it sent an emergency sos to all my family

[versed mesa]

Cat was meowing bloody murder, her food bowl was empty

[tropic summit]

crazy situation all because of a silly phone

would be wild

[keen smelt]

it sent this twice to my brother my mom my grandma my dad

[umbral crown]

[tropic summit]

dayum

[keen smelt]

this was 8am btw

i had woken up 30 minutws before

[tropic summit]

maybe it was just your phone gaining sentience and trying to save itself from your grasp

[keen smelt]

LMFAO

[tropic summit]

speaking of AI...

[keen smelt]

i honestly might need to replace it soon its going in and out of working recently

and my battery life is getting low

its probably got another year or two on it

[tropic summit]

oh that's annoying alright

[keen smelt]

my old phone was at 30% btw

[tropic summit]

if it's an old model it's also difficult to find new batteries, so you'd actually be forced to buy a new model afterall

[keen smelt]

ill probably get a new one once it gets below 65

[tropic summit]

yeah sounds like a good idea

[keen smelt]

my phone was from like 2007

[tropic summit]

eh probably noway to find any replacement batteries at all then

[lone sequoia]

that visor is almost perfect... if you plan to go pvx, try to get 4atk-ele 3cs and 1 ammo at least, full pve should be the same but crit rate instead of cs, pvp build is around 3 atk-ele and cs... some extra lines can affect the priority for some teams, but you lose pve value without the 4th atk or ele there

[keen smelt]

its not recommended

at least for iphones

[vocal kelp]

@tropic summit Rail-sensei

[tropic summit]

tell us about @gritty ridge rizz skills

[keen smelt]

oh dear

[vocal kelp]

new Anis is good for pvp?

[tropic summit]

yes get her, broken af

[keen smelt]

yes very

[vocal kelp]

because I max core her

[keen smelt]

[vocal kelp]

hell yeah!!!

my waife its super stron, im so happy!!

[lone sequoia]

i still use my s23 ultra... not sure if i want to change again because every new device is full of ads

[tropic summit]

powercrept most B1s in most situations

[lone sequoia]

who max core without knowing if the unit is good? aside from you

[tropic summit]

funny thing is you can run her together with those very B1s

[vocal kelp]

anis its my favorite nikke ever, I would core max her even if she was crow level of trash

[lone sequoia]

gz, that is a valid reason for a collection game

i would like to ask about how many gems took you to get max core?

[tropic summit]

wow 4 rocks, i guess the %increase actually works sometimes

when did nikke look like this and who was idda?

[gritty ridge]

I dont rizz meo

[lone sequoia]

xd

[vocal kelp]

crap

[tropic summit]

what's the verdict, @keen smelt

[vocal kelp]

none, I used golden tickets I was saving

[gritty ridge]

I just try to steal her specialty pillow

[lone sequoia]

rip, i was planning to pull max core in case we get a 3rd scar alt

but as f2p i can't waste my resources like that

[vocal kelp]

I had right now 300 tickets and 60k gems for neon tho, I want to at least FLB her

[vocal kelp]

Im F2P too, I just like anis that much

[gritty ridge]

I got mlb anis

Without spending

[tropic summit]

whel

[lone sequoia]

hax

[tropic summit]

fake whel

[gritty ridge]

190 pulls total

Idk why it autocorrected to lbs. Anis isnt that light

[lone sequoia]

that is less than my average for the banner unit

[vocal kelp]

so @tropic summit what do I change? this is my current teams and roster just Star Anis

[gritty ridge]

For 1% mlb?

[tropic summit]

hmm could probably upgrade either T3 or T1

[lone sequoia]

1% and 2% units, always i have to pull more than 200, there are few times i get the unit in the first 2 multi, but that is just a bait to don't give me ssr later

for 1 copy...

[lone sequoia]

he can just swap rh

[vocal kelp]

nice

[gritty ridge]

Hehe

[versed mesa]

Are you MLB yet though?

[gritty ridge]

Yes

[lone sequoia]

did SU give us that event for nayuta or lib? i don't remember

[versed mesa]

They did

[karmic monolith]

I believe so yes

They've been doing it for a while now. Maybe for the past 3 Anni's now?

[lone sequoia]

in that case i need new scar alt as the anniversary unit

[karmic monolith]

Maybe Rose becomes playable?

[tropic summit]

SP arena

• nayuta trina helmt rh anisTT
• moran bay biscuit swha lib
• jackal rumani privT s.anis noah

Notes

• build up vestiTU, moran (get her treasured)

[lone sequoia]

we will only get 2 chapters update before the anniversary

[vocal kelp]

I already did that, Vesti full gear and moran i just new the third phase of treasure

[tropic summit]

keep it up until vestiTU and MoranT reach same level of investiment as your line 2 or 3 units

[karmic monolith]

Oh yeah not anytime soon unless the story takes a big turn. if anything we might get a real doro alt next anni?

[versed mesa]

I wonder if I will have to wait until next anniversary for more Tribe Tower to climb

[lone sequoia]

she already got a limited pilgrim alt, i can't see her with a new alt this early

[vocal kelp]

@tropic summit

[versed mesa]

They give us literal Doro as an alt

[karmic monolith]

Shes being left behind so I can see them doing a alt or atleast a treasure for her.

[gritty ridge]

I was racking my brain trying to remember what anni and what unit swha came with until I remembered she was a ny unit

[tropic summit]

replace lib with vestiTU once she doesn't tank your CP

[lone sequoia]

probably new trony alt or something... new units... rapu and scar alt for aniversary or new year pilgrim (2 units because both should revive at the same time)

[vocal kelp]

I love that both anis are on the first and second place ❤️

[lone sequoia]

og doro treasure looks better or at least a new "last bullet" buffer

[versed mesa]

New Rapu with full on naughty nun outfit

[lone sequoia]

yep, new year unit, lib and nayta before... limited doro for summer and siren/mihara for 2.5

[tropic summit]

and liliweiss in 2027

[gritty ridge]

If doro comes back i may mlb

[vocal kelp]

if you could give OG Doro a treasure what should had to do to be good?

[lone sequoia]

at that point we will go to the space and follow the gatekeeper lore

[karmic monolith]

We need more Heretics to become playable

[vocal kelp]

kk, thanks

[tropic summit]

https://klipy.com/gifs/kronk-emperors-new-groove-3--k01KQ5SG4HF87G6G4JA7ADWRQ59

[gritty ridge]

Give me indivilia but only in my bedroom

[lone sequoia]

we need a better liberation system, nihilister treasure

[tropic summit]

https://klipy.com/gifs/nichijou-yukko--k01KQ5SGTXSTMHJM3DHPAY4DW0G

[versed mesa]

No boots for Anis today either

[gritty ridge]

I think im gonna go through the Canon storyline today

[karmic monolith]

Dam you C7 Summer Anis too?

[tropic summit]

he's a man on a mission

[lone sequoia]

her burst was* fun in pvp, but it probably should be as a debuffer instead of buffer, bosses units are the best in terms of uses, they can just add some buff or increase her dmg potential against water units as elemental dmg buffer

[karmic monolith]

We get a gear selector box from 5x5. You will get it soon!

[vocal kelp]

hell yeah, its my best girl

[versed mesa]

https://tenor.com/view/dont-care-how-i-want-it-now-willy-wonka-and-the-chocolate-factory-i-need-it-now-i-dont-care-do-what-i-said-gif-21442817

[wind kelp]

Yeah, nearly there already. And one piece not even started 😄

[vocal kelp]

@tropic summit

is this correct?

[tropic summit]

yep looks good

[vocal kelp]

great

thanks :DDD

[gritty ridge]

The humble doro sw indom

[lone sequoia]

imagine a unit that eats the near 2 allies and steal their skills

[vocal kelp]

what gear lines does Anis star needs?

[keen smelt]

UGHHHHH

[karmic monolith]

4x atk, 4x ele, 1-2 ammo, 2-3 crit

[keen smelt]

i keep getting so close yet so far

[gritty ridge]

I disagree

I wouldve won

[keen smelt]

beat it then

ill wait

im still open to a bet

[gritty ridge]

No I dont do that in public

[shell hazel]

you didn't break any slippers all 4 shields are up

[gritty ridge]

Unlike some people

[keen smelt]

i hate you

[keen smelt]

….. are you like special or

[bright elk]

hmmmm arena shuffle put me on a 1m power deficit this group

[gritty ridge]

Hey, dont talk ill of my pookie hippo

[gritty ridge]

Im stuck on cc rn, I dont even think ill be at mc until 421

[shell hazel]

?

[keen smelt]

thats the final qte, the shields come back

[shell hazel]

oh I actually didn't know that

[keen smelt]

the final qte serves as a dps check bc you cant beat it and all the shields come back

[shell hazel]

if you run the game in 30 fps mode the phase is delayed

[keen smelt]

correct

which is what im doing

[shell hazel]

if you run the game in like 15 fps mode you may not even see it

[keen smelt]

thats not an option

[shell hazel]

you can limit fps in other ways if on pc

[karmic monolith]

Wait what you can cheese the game by lowering the FPS?

[keen smelt]

im on ipad

[shell hazel]

then I am not sure

[shell hazel]

some bosses yes, they tie the mechanics to fps

[lunar pawn]

can cindy in p2 block siren stun on moran in p1?

[shell hazel]

most not though

[gritty ridge]

Kinda, it only works with snapshot dps. It makes rrh for example just bad

[shell hazel]

lowering fps does screw with any MG dps more than it's worth yes

[lone sequoia]

??

[versed mesa]

I beat Tribe Tower 1330 MC with Star Anis, before the shields came up I think I was at 20% deficit

[karmic monolith]

Dont they have that option that fixes low fps MG dps?

[keen smelt]

see i tried star anis but her burst stars hit the slippers and render it immune

[versed mesa]

That is what I mean, I killed it before slippers or shield comes up

[gritty ridge]

Its still not good. 60fps is ideal for mg

30 fps is actually half dps

[karmic monolith]

[lunar pawn]

I win right?

[keen smelt]

sure

welp its 5:15 guys time for a nap

[tropic summit]

T1 ye
T2 ye
T3 maybe

[versed mesa]

It was kind of cheeky, I failed the QTE that comes before the shield on purpose, because the insta kill aoe took just enough time to charge, for me kill before it hit, since the shield won't come up

[tropic summit]

wowie so close

[keen smelt]

somebody sedate me

[tropic summit]

pretty wild team you running for MC tho

[glad meteor]

Centi burst

[keen smelt]

its getting me the furthest

[glad meteor]

https://tenor.com/view/speed-ishowspeed-speed-stream-ishowspeed-stream-speed-nod-gif-1082323842437565509

[karmic monolith]

[keen smelt]

i get more dmg with anis star phase 1 but i cant defeat the slippers phase 2 bc of her burst stars

[tropic summit]

bay gonna try her bestest

[keen smelt]

they target the slipper rendering it immune

[keen smelt]

GGGGGET ME OUTTAAA HERE

[lunar pawn]

going in

[versed mesa]

How much health is left at that point?

[keen smelt]

1k

[karmic monolith]

[glad meteor]

[keen smelt]

that looks like the black and yellow angry bird had a baby

from the hit game angry birds

[glad meteor]

[tropic summit]

indeed

[glad meteor]

[keen smelt]

i served a customer today with your name

[glad meteor]

Nitro running out soon

[lunar pawn]

3-0

[keen smelt]

i think she got quesadillas

[vocal kelp]

If it weren't for the fact that there is an Anis costume coming, I would have bought that one from Libby, it's a shame I can only afford one, I hate being poor.

[gritty ridge]

Ok cmere

[glad meteor]

[keen smelt]

knock me out until thursday

[karmic monolith]

Thoughts on Rookie def team?

[tropic summit]

get @umbral crown to buy you some, i heard he rich

[keen smelt]

[gritty ridge]

Best I can do is 3 month coma and a missing pillow

[versed mesa]

That is my secret captain. I have money because I don't buy the gacha skins

[keen smelt]

STOP TRYNA STEAL MY PILLOWS

[glad meteor]

[keen smelt]

RAIL YOU SEE THIS SHIT

[tropic summit]

nice and dandy until it meets noah biscuit cindy helmt anis

[keen smelt]

HE WANTS MY COOLING PILLOWS AND I SAID NO

[tropic summit]

@gritty ridge do you need help stealing those

[keen smelt]

“YOU CAN SHARE” FAT CHANCE BUDDY

[karmic monolith]

What would you say is the best overall def team for Rookie right now?

[tropic summit]

sharing is caring, as they say

[keen smelt]

MINE

[tropic summit]

be a good lass and share le pillows

[keen smelt]

THEYVE GOT MY SLEEP SWEAT ON THEM

[lunar pawn]

https://giphy.com/gifs/finding-nemo-seagulls-mineminemine-kLk1Qa8mrYdQA

[tropic summit]

oke all yours @gritty ridge

[keen smelt]

hes gonna say

“mmm woman sweat”

[gritty ridge]

No

[keen smelt]

his name in my server is deodorant

[tropic summit]

so that's how you are in DMs with the ladies

[gritty ridge]

Meo sweat is different and bad, id have to wash it first

[keen smelt]

WHAT

IM NOT STINKY

[tropic summit]

holy mother of god

[gritty ridge]

No proof

[tropic summit]

could be worse, he could rename himself to towel

without mentioning for which body part that towel is used for

at least you know the deodorant goes to the armpits

[versed mesa]

It goes WHERE??

[tropic summit]

oh no.

[keen smelt]

youre not gonna honey trap me into visiting whatever bumflick town you live in

[tropic summit]

if you visit bigboi make sure to bring a weapon just in case, i heard he trains the ladies

[gritty ridge]

I like how im so hot and cool that you consider it a honey trap

[keen smelt]

its gonna have a ton of hair, i always dry my hair before everything else

[nocturne veldt]

sorry but could someone make 3 arena teams? still not knowledgable enough to make teams.

[keen smelt]

fat chance leprechaun

[gritty ridge]

[keen smelt]

this guys like neon orange dude

[tropic summit]

some people like exploring forests, i'm sure @gritty ridge is an adventurer

[keen smelt]

CRAZY STATEMENT

RAIL YOURE SUPPOSED TO BACK ME UP

[tropic summit]

[gritty ridge]

Rail understands me

[tropic summit]

he's my student, i'm slightly biased

[keen smelt]

rail can rail you then

[tropic summit]

wait what

[keen smelt]

goodnight

[gritty ridge]

No its the other way around

[tropic summit]

it's neither way thank you

[gritty ridge]

Night meo

[keen smelt]

ooo switch

[tropic summit]

sleep well

[gritty ridge]

Cmere pretty boy

[keen smelt]

you dont see a lot of those in the gay community

[tropic summit]

https://klipy.com/gifs/anime-anime-girl-running--k01KQ5TXGPBHSFK5RCMPDWYZ65M

[versed mesa]

https://tenor.com/view/ha-gayy-community-ken-jeong-anthropolgy-101-gif-5246639168527773655

[tropic summit]

i thought bigboi was into thicc, not seeking for poles

[gritty ridge]

Youre next

[keen smelt]

if its got cake who cares about a candle

[tropic summit]

[karmic monolith]

@tropic summit What about this instead?

[versed mesa]

Don't give me hope

[karmic monolith]

Actually I can do SWHA instead of helm

[lunar pawn]

reenter anis delays nayuta nuke

[glad meteor]

@tropic summit

[karmic monolith]

Oh reeee I forgot about the reenter part

[tropic summit]

SP arena

• nayuta alice vestiTU anisTT drake
• jackal rrh crown centi noir
• mmast swha trina rapunzel siren

Rookie

• rrh siren swha crown jackal

[tropic summit]

hmm it's decent but a splasher instead of jackal would add threat, also re-enter is kinda meh

[karmic monolith]

Yeah I forgot about the reenter part

[tropic summit]

https://klipy.com/gifs/lotr-so-you-have-chosen-death--k01KQ5VG37DWHQJXSVHMDQVQKFN

[karmic monolith]

more threat? so like Vesti?

[shell hazel]

https://tenor.com/view/pirates-hang-johnny-depp-gif-5602160

[tropic summit]

ye or emilia or laplaceT

[severe lodge]

What counters a blanc swha biscuit core?

[tropic summit]

what does the full team looks like

[gritty ridge]

Can somebody test this team vs 2rl lib?

I need to make sure it can still catch lib

[tropic summit]

noah helmt biscuit siren swha

[severe lodge]

How does Siren work for PvP?

[glad meteor]

[tropic summit]

she stuns p1 unless taunted, stun lands at around 2RL B2

[glad meteor]

[tropic summit]

https://klipy.com/gifs/anya-spy-x-family-anime-spy-x-family-anya-1BG--k01KQ5VTBGAQQCN3KXFP3B756RW

[severe lodge]

If I use Noah on team 1, I won't be able to counter Scarlet Trina on team 3, no?

[umbral crown]

[gritty ridge]

You can use bay

[tropic summit]

show all 3 teams, you only showed 1 team i thought it was rookie

[tropic summit]

[glad meteor]

[severe lodge]

Oh , sorry my bad.

[glad meteor]

[tropic summit]

oh these are still 2024-2025 teams

[severe lodge]

Yeah, haven't properly paid attention to meta until the current reshuffle.

Learned about Blanc SWHA recently and Blanc Ada. Never understood Siren because I read something about it being random.

I also never encountered Rosanna before, but from what I see, she removes 2 buffs?

[umbral crown]

[glad meteor]

[versed mesa]

🍌

[glad meteor]

[tropic summit]

conditions:

T1: none, tempering on noah and helmT
T2: tempering on vestiTU, quantum on centi and jackal, vigor on RH and blanc
T3: tempering on rumani, rest can run w/e (emilia can be flexed with laplaceT or liberalio if unavailable)

anis in T3 is anisTT

[severe lodge]

I've seen the doc before, didn't quite understand it. I want my team gen rating to be higher?

[tropic summit]

i post the sheets for people who know what those numbers means, if you don't just follow instructions and placements

[unique wagon]

If she's not taunted she doesnt change target

[tropic summit]

to put it short, they give you burst speeds of each team

[unique wagon]

Blanc Moran works, Noah Moran doesn't

[severe lodge]

Sorry if i'm asking too much, just wanting to have an understanding of why the comps work or so.

[tropic summit]

yeah it's fine asking questions don't worry

[versed mesa]

Don't worry, I have been here for over 6 months and I still have barely any idea what they mean

[keen patio]

That's what I figured as well
I wanted to figure out the timing for getting Moran to taunt Siren, if there was a delay in frames

[tropic summit]

you wanna get a better grasp you can take a read at this later @severe lodge

https://nikke.gg/arena-mechanics/

[unique wagon]

I need to update Prydwen's

whiffs dont happen anymore and no more residual

[tropic summit]

when you do i can finally link something updated

[severe lodge]

Thank you so much for answering and helping.

Will take a look through this again since it has been a while.

Anything special to note for defense teams?

[tropic summit]

if you can post your box or your blabla link set to public i can take a look and give you an updated set of defense teams

[severe lodge]

I thought I had set it to public, trying to find a link to share that. Swear I had to do it to join my current Union.

[tropic summit]

go here and access your shiftypad

https://www.blablalink.com/

[lunar pawn]

Guy beat me like 1h ago and I didn't even change teams

[tropic summit]

lucky crit / lucky indom

[severe lodge]

It is set to all, yeh.

[tropic summit]

awesome, now just link it here

[nocturne veldt]

thanks a lot! i assume anisTT is the new anis right?

[tropic summit]

aye

[severe lodge]

https://www.blablalink.com/shiftyspad?uid=MjkwODAtODU4NDMzMTEwNzc5OTQ4MjU3Mg%3D%3D not sure if this is the right link.

[versed mesa]

Yeah I've had opponents like that before. The only thing that makes sense is them testing a different comp.

[tropic summit]

ye it's correct

[severe lodge]

Okk, thank you.

Uh oh.

[versed mesa]

Oh wait this is SP Okay now they lost me

[umbral crown]

[lunar pawn]

2 reshuffles ago I remember this guy

he would gem constantly to keep top 3

I think this season alone he's already down like 1500 gems

[tropic summit]

you've a very good box for someone who doesn't play a lot of pvp

SP arena

• nayuta privT helmt anisTT emilia
• jackal vestiTU ada blanc lib
• moran siren swha laplaceT noah

Cubes:

• vigor on lib
• quantum on jackal, anisTT, emilia
• tempering on privT, vestiTU, swha, moran

rest can run w/e available, prefer vigor on healers and tempering on others, else slap stat stick (resil/bastion)

Notes

• build up emilia, she's a bit less invested than others, run laplaceT in her stead until built if she's too low

[umbral crown]

Thats me

[severe lodge]

I had put teams together and got comfortable at challenger 8.

Imitating what I saw on others.

[umbral crown]

[umbral crown]

[lunar pawn]

budget nitro

[umbral crown]

Entertainmento

[tropic summit]

[glad meteor]

[severe lodge]

So funnily enough, my Laplace was only just put together during the last iron solo raid so she's kind on the lower end while my Emilia is more invested.

[tropic summit]

aight slot her instead then

emi would do better in that team

[severe lodge]

Who for team 1 then since Emi was there?

[lunar pawn]

@leaden marten when are we coordinating attacks on 3rd?

[tropic summit]

if lappy is invested, lappy
if emi is invested, prefer emi

if using lappy in T1 you can slot drakeT in T3 until emi is ready

[nocturne veldt]

for the rookie team, anis.star is not good?

[lunar pawn]

she is

unless you mean a specific team

[tropic summit]

@severe lodge here's the updated sheet with the quantum needed if removing emi

[lunar pawn]

interesting name

do you listen to sir mix a lot

[tropic summit]

using jackal to get p1 resistant and also benefit from feed, but once anisTT is better built you can definitely build a rookie around her

[nocturne veldt]

Rookie

rrh siren swha crown jackal - well my anis.star is well built enough... my jackal is not built at all

[lunar pawn]

what kinda team is that? you cp gapping your competition?

[tropic summit]

you see, jackal gives your 2 highest atk% units a link, which shares the damage between them
that's one way to make your p1 resistant

adding anisTT instead of jackal would make your p1 squishy

[nocturne veldt]

it was recommended here...

[tropic summit]

don't confuse him

[severe lodge]

Emi is the invested one but my Laplace might just be as invested actually? What does Laplace do for PvP to keep in mind?

[lunar pawn]

do your thing

don't mind me

[tropic summit]

yeah you already did enough

[nocturne veldt]

?

[lunar pawn]

https://giphy.com/gifs/peace-out-t5lej5gruDDS19FBXM

[nocturne veldt]

ah i see...

[tropic summit]

it's a matter of balancing meta, speed, CP and threat

a team stacked with high CP units but slow speed may perform poorly

just as a team stacked of speed but very low of CP is useless

so you always gotta find the balance on those aspects

1. CP
2. speed
3. threat

a good mix of the above is what makes a team "meta"

[nocturne veldt]

sounds good. got lots to learn... gotta get out of this 160 wall first T_T

[tropic summit]

@lunar pawn FYI this is what he's working with, hence the units, he's just 160

[tropic summit]

yes that should be your n1 priority, progression and campaign team come first and foremost

[lunar pawn]

it is what it is

[severe lodge]

Again, thank you very much Railtracer! Will try to keep up to date with the PvP details.

[tropic summit]

you welcome, happy hunting

[nocturne veldt]

campaign team of crown/rapirr/anis.star/swha/mmast the best? any better team?

[tropic summit]

that's a question better asked in #questions , but ye your very meta campaign units are the following:

• RRH, siren, crown, swha, mmast, anisTT, vestiTU, liberalio
• situationally you may still use alice, ein and rapunzel down the line

[nocturne veldt]

thanks!

[minor egret]

Can swap Mast with Privaty stage 3

[lunar pawn]

good team, but whatever works, really

[nocturne veldt]

dont have privaty.t yet

working on ch29 right now and its getting hard... (i know that im pretty far already for being 160 but cant go further soon T_T)

[minor egret]

I'm getting my ass beaten in SPA def by a player 93 sync levels below me because my power padding sucks

[fading birch]

if you are 93 sync above someone, just using a PVE power level team of decent burst gen should be able to keep them out

[gritty ridge]

Nah lemme in

Ill get em

[fading birch]

that's this guy's strategy , doesnt even have a burst 2

[minor egret]

I'm not even that bad with my pvp teams, 5.19b at sync 617. I have no idea how he manage to do it

[fading birch]

https://tenor.com/view/jurassic-park-testing-fences-trying-to-escape-gif-9255755390529349297

actually wonder if Eon could take this guy..

maybe that's who he's trying to keep out

[lunar pawn]

arena keeps giving me this bug

sends me to this standard lobby bgm with the arena music

[karmic monolith]

Feels good when people attack you and you win

[raven plover]

https://tenor.com/view/nicolascage-breezy-smiling-feelinggood-niceweather-gif-4961337

[fading birch]

when they spend gems and still lose

https://tenor.com/view/pacha-just-right-so-good-yes-emperors-new-groove-gif-6584923

[karmic monolith]

hahah yeah I've seen some screenshots where someone attacked this guy like 10 times.

Maybe more becasue it all couldnt fit in the log

[leaden marten]

hahahahah i gotta get up to date with the pvp meta first

[lunar pawn]

#pvp-arena message I used this setup against him, won all 3 fights, for reference

[minor egret]

Redoing my teams around TT Anis, do this looks correct in def? I don't have Laplace and Ada overloaded, maybe I should finally build them

[lunar pawn]

you can also ask the guys here for help updating your SPA def

[wild patio]

https://tenor.com/view/h2di-michael-shocked-happy-gif-6451142495609612847

[raven plover]

https://tenor.com/view/the-office-michael-scott-steve-carell-wink-gif-7720100

[wild patio]

im confused here, if we saw this enemy comp, is the positions are p1-p5 from the left or right?

[charred quail]

👍

[lost ether]

if they're def then jackal is p5 and noise is p1, ordered from left to right

[wild patio]

how to beat this def?

[mystic rain]

@unique wagon what r ur thoughts on xmaiden variant instead of cindy on nayu anis team

[unique wagon]

possible but one sg solo can steal biscuit immune

[mystic rain]

tbh if its vs sg theyre probably fked either way just cuz of bisc

[unique wagon]

I lost with that team once btw

[mystic rain]

immune on p5 indom on p1

vs sg?????????

[unique wagon]

Scar I think

[mystic rain]

oh

my issue with cindy team is its kinda slow

[unique wagon]

it shud be 2 RL by math but it's not weirdly

just use XMaiden

[mystic rain]

mihara team faster XDDDDDD

[lost ether]

tt anis should help cindy burst faster no?

[mystic rain]

by 4 frames

[unique wagon]

but u wont have emergency nuke though

if any 2B is better

or Kilo

[mystic rain]

well if its vs 2rl rosa then that could be problem

[unique wagon]

but against Scar they also steal biscu

[gritty ridge]

Siren scar

[unique wagon]

both 2 RL?

[mystic rain]

i have no idea what 2b's skill kit is

or kilo

[gritty ridge]

Cindy

[gritty ridge]

Also cindy

[unique wagon]

thats 3 RL

[mystic rain]

like on deck cindy is 3RL but mihara is listed at 2RL

[unique wagon]

hear me out https://www.prydwen.gg/nikke/characters/crow

[mystic rain]

oh defender b3

[wild patio]

https://tenor.com/view/sad-tony-stark-tony-stark-sad-iron-man-vasember-gif-12592068

[unique wagon]

what r u doing

why u stun Noah so Blanc can burst

peak

[mystic rain]

bro shes not even on deck or top 😭

[gritty ridge]

Are you in deficit

[wild patio]

how am I supposed to control who shes stun

[wild patio]

20 lvl low

[unique wagon]

no just dont use Siren bruh

[gritty ridge]

That team is slow af, 2rl scar wipes before they burst

[unique wagon]

No Noah?

[lost ether]

vesti indom should work no?

[wild patio]

have noah

[gritty ridge]

Level doesnt matter, cp does

[wild patio]

300k diff

[gritty ridge]

That looks like scar died pre burst

[gritty ridge]

Sir just say the 2 totals

[unique wagon]

are u CP diffed that Scar dies too fast

[tight finch]

2rl

[gritty ridge]

300k dif at 4 mil and 300k at 1mil are very different

[mystic rain]

WHAT HOW

[unique wagon]

best team

[mystic rain]

???????

[wild patio]

my team and enemy team

[mystic rain]

oh wtf is THAT

[tight finch]

shows all nikkies deemed too trash for pvp

[mystic rain]

SMH

[unique wagon]

Maiden is best I think

but shes useless

[mystic rain]

rude

[unique wagon]

in lifesteal situations shes gonna take Biscuit and dilute ANis healing for herself

LOL

without dealing any damage hahahahaha

cindy is best just quantum it

[mint kite]

I am a failure. Three failed attacks, and I'm clearly not thinking while I'm trying to make teams

I see after the fact why the team didn't work

[unique wagon]

biscuit took indom

tahts why Nayuta variant is better

team 2 u die ofc they nuke

team 3 ure probably outlived

if ure desperate to 3/3

[mystic rain]

quant on anis and helm makes the team 20 frames faster

[minor egret]

What's the best Nayuta variant with Anis now? 🤔

[unique wagon]

Nayu Anis Biscu T1
Moran Noah Lib T2
ReiT Blanc T3 2 RL (RNG or use Tia to delay a bit but)

You can do absolute T3 too

Tvesti shud kill Blanc before Burst

Even indom variant shud kill Blanc already

This is how my Helm got killed too early

Quantum on either Anis Helm Biscu fix that, Anis giving the highest boost

[mint kite]

T3 I currently win

T2 I'm CP gapped

[unique wagon]

Nayuta Anis Helm Biscu Cindy with Quantum on Anis/Helm/Biscu

[gritty ridge]

Its wrong, cuz @lusty gull put bready in there by accident

[unique wagon]

who made Nikke deck

cus the math for ANis is wrong

[mint kite]

What is Cinder for?

[unique wagon]

anti SG and lifesteal boost

[mint kite]

How does she boost lifesteal?

[minor egret]

I was aware with Ada but not with Cindy

[unique wagon]

Basic Attack Heal Share Helm Lifesteal

Cindy's BA hurts hard

across 10s she deals more than Anis that Bursts

Cindy also dilutes SWHA's dmg

she also blocks enemy Cindy's damage

Blocks SGs and makes the team anti Rosanna

[minor egret]

Gonna try that, mine is stacked

[unique wagon]

decoy also delays her Biscuit consumption

she can emergency nuke too if Helm dies

makes it anti Absolute Vesti

guaranteeing Nayuta Anis Cindy to burst

[tight finch]

as long as you brick nayu atk

you need bisc to eat rosa debuff

[unique wagon]

Anis better

Altho seeing my Nayu Im sure my Nayu steals that

[mystic rain]

nayu 0 atk propaganda

[unique wagon]

maybe Biscu taking better tbh

dont think Anis buff is dispellable though

[mint kite]

Well, my Nayu VestiT Emi SWHA Anis team died.

But I if course don't have Biscuit in it

[tight finch]

Youd need nayu to not get stripped and bisc to have less atk than anis

[unique wagon]

+40% and undispellable

[tight finch]

otherwise helm + nayu die -> rosa kill bisc and kill burst chain

[unique wagon]

Helm dies + anis blocks

[tight finch]

if rosa kill bisc anis block doesn't do much

assuming nayu dead

[unique wagon]

u know just run 3 SGs at that point

2 RL btw

just imagine

seeing Anis nuke Nayu nuke Soda nuke at 2 RL

Vesti Emi SWHA? nah

[mystic rain]

is there delay to soda nuke

or noir

[unique wagon]

dunno

[minor egret]

I think so?

[unique wagon]

but its just an SpA attack team

[mystic rain]

cuz in pve it feels like it does

[minor egret]

It's definitely not instant, I have a vague memory of timing Noir burst for Mother Whale waves

[unique wagon]

still trying to cook unbeatable defense

or annoying at least

[mystic rain]

spa or champs

[unique wagon]

SPA

[mystic rain]

everyone knows spa ultimate defense is money

no point

[harsh tendon]

hmm anyone got time to help me out with spa def teams?

[mystic rain]

😭

[harsh tendon]

heres my unowned

havent updated my teams in a year 💀

[lost ether]

so her buff is till in effect even if she died?

like she burst and everything

[unique wagon]

jsut rtun Nayu Anis team

Some Noah comp then TVEsti blanc Ada

its the most annoying def ever

[lost ether]

i been running this and its working so far

[minor egret]

I'm just not sure of my Moran Noah SWHA team in def but I trust Moran to finish the job

[unique wagon]

I think this might be good

Makima actually taunts faster than Rosa's Burst

wait

let me check something

what is SMG fire rate in pvp

[mystic rain]

https://media.discordapp.net/attachments/1331908580248653885/1373636588051103845/image.png?ex=69effd83&is=69eeac03&hm=3a3865ed703b9d138ffe2539e3f0d4f5b0db75bfb12487542a9a1d0144e1ee50&=&format=webp&quality=lossless

[unique wagon]

nvm

[minor egret]

I don't have Bay treasure or Makima (started too late) so I'm using Siren and Noah instead

What SMG nikke where you thinking?

[mint kite]

Makima

[minor egret]

Oh right

[umbral crown]

Or just be a gemmer, ez so people will be scared to fight you

Thats how im doing since 2 years ago, now i do not spend any in sp

[mint kite]

Worth running Emi instead of my Jank Noir?

[mystic rain]

in other competitive games where ego measuring contests is actually a thing this could work and id understand but not in nikke

ud be dumb to spend an extra hit just to keep a spot cuz end of the week u lost gems anyway

which defeats the whole purpose of placing high in spa in the first place

say i spend 300 gems for 3 attempts and i get rank 3 for 3k gems

[fading birch]

if somone wants to spend money on you, you can PVP them another way by making them spend more, just hit them at 12:59 every day, they will eventuually have to spend more than they would have won from the spot

[mystic rain]

but in net profit i only got 2.7

which is same as rank 4-7

[mystic rain]

like bro its just useless

[mystic rain]

what even is that

[cedar sorrel]

Thats a folkwang

[fading birch]

my sweaty goddess

[cedar sorrel]

My first ssr

[unique wagon]

wait this team not fast enuf

[minor egret]

You can slide on her sweat to get faster

[unique wagon]

Rosa 2.5 RL cannot snipe Noah SWHA

[mystic rain]

put folkwang in p1 so u get feed

ez

[unique wagon]

Just need 1 more Clip RL fr

[unique wagon]

what feed

[covert lintel]

https://tenor.com/view/squidward-squidward-tentacles-spongebob-look-around-awkward-gif-496727432057798195

[mystic rain]

rosa sac

[umbral crown]

But it works for me

[umbral crown]

Thats the fun part, you also by doing that you get knowledge about how to beat comps in sp/rookie . But if thats a known thing for the top 4, competitive spot means competitive measures to keep it

[umbral crown]

But you also get jims from daily missions/ weekly, tower...

Just think the gems spent are from daily or towers

[mystic rain]

i mean if ur spending gems in spa just to test teams then ig thats also a valid reason

but for ego? lol

theres no ego in nikke competitive

theres no skill required in pvp

just info and numbers

[umbral crown]

Not just ego, CA chance, More gems income and sending a message you are competitivr enough to fight for the spot

[mystic rain]

i.e. who knows better teams and who has more resources to spend

[umbral crown]

[mystic rain]

CA only needs u top 4, u dont get more gems income if u spend to keep that spot and whatever message ur trying to send by gemming, the other guy probably just thinks its a nuisance

if u really want to send a message go whale on cd instead and gap them

thats a better message to send

[umbral crown]

Thate the message, think the other is xrazy and then makes target another person

[mystic rain]

better way to spend gems too

go use it on outpost wipes or dispatch refresh isntead

[umbral crown]

Nah, thats not fun

[unique wagon]

Rosa is faster

[mystic rain]

ngl i dont think thats a good team for spa def

[unique wagon]

TVesti with Rapu will still cook the team

[mystic rain]

would just die to vesti

[unique wagon]

which kind

Absolute TVesti?

[mystic rain]

even normal vesti indom might be possible with ele and cs

tho idk hm ele u would need to 1 tap noah solo

for non absolute vesti

[unique wagon]

Rosa will kill unless u Rapu her

[umbral crown]

In pvp i do not need to gap anyone to keep my spot, since last year the higher syncs in my brcket do not attack me, and they have over 70 levels , im 533 and they are 605+

[mystic rain]

can rosa kill vs moran b1 dmg reduction buff

[unique wagon]

Idk

this team not even 2 RL bro

u cant possibly make a 2RL team with that well maybe Jack can

[mystic rain]

noah over blanc

then its 2rl

[unique wagon]

yeah Jack can but

the dispel is early

[unique wagon]

hmm

I guess if u do run Noah TVesti Helm SWHA Moran u win

[mystic rain]

i mean most common moran teams rn is moran noah +++

[unique wagon]

true

overcooked indeed

[mystic rain]

think the only rosa comp for spa def that ive seen be consistent and normal is like

[last vigil]

@unique wagon build me atk team. I refuse to build vesti for now

[mystic rain]

scar trina rosa 2RL

nobody really runs absolute + rosa in spa def so

and definitely nobody is gonna run sg def in SPA

[unique wagon]

will Noah survive ViperTr though

maybe DrakeTr is straight up better but risky when enemy doesnt run sh

drake nuke on slow cindy

[mystic rain]

drake has a nuke

[last vigil]

Not sure how ppl win this 2 team

[unique wagon]

we mindgame here

bros gonna pull out the Moran Biscu Noah after I put Drake

[lost ether]

me

[unique wagon]

can u win the other 2 teams though

[lost ether]

[green flax]

BP difference is how they win haha

[lost ether]

i think so but idk, these def been working against some1 with almost same cp as me but 20 lvl below

[last vigil]

Nah. I'm 30-40lv above them

[mystic rain]

possible for low kill pressure team + bisc

tho idk how fast or slow lib p1 dies

[green flax]

weird, show me ur teams cuz i can beat those teams at a slight deficit on my part

[mystic rain]

even against like defender/support RL dmg

[last vigil]

That's my 2 def team

Team 1

[green flax]

what teams r u losing to, cuz those defenses r kinda weak for 2 and 3

[last vigil]

I won't know

[green flax]

this is fine, id say make emilia ur off B3 and crown burst (take with a grain of salt cuz im not the best at pvp xD)

[last vigil]

I change to swha burst instead

[unique wagon]

guys can bayed SWHA survive TVesti volley (one volley after FB)

[green flax]

also no privT?

shes rlly good in pvp

[last vigil]

Use on which team

[green flax]

could replace RH

[unique wagon]

What B2 can protect SWHA from one volley of Vesti

[last vigil]

Slow gen?

[green flax]

put anis star on tier list and then u will know

[green flax]

quantum cube

RH rlly isnt good in pvp

[minor egret]

Centi shield ||maybe||

[green flax]

also why 3 B2, thats why ur gen could be slow and no RL

[mystic rain]

what kinda vesti

normal vesti or absolute

[lost ether]

normal vesti is bricking ur acc ngl

[mystic rain]

if its normal vesti anyone can survive the first volley

[green flax]

normal vesti TRASH

[mystic rain]

i meant normal buff vesti vs absolute trio comp

[green flax]

lemme show u my teams, take em with a grain of salt cuz i didnt put emilia cuz shes not built so i had to improvise

[green flax]

i dont rlly see the trio in pvp

[mystic rain]

do u not play champs

[green flax]

oh in champs, then yea but i dont bother with that

[mystic rain]

like from my experience running vesti indom it doesnt outright kill enemy with the first volley

and my vesti is like x4 atk x3 cs

pretty decent i would say

[green flax]

emilia can replace the off B3 and vesti would replace cindy if u have emilia

[last vigil]

I skipped vesti. Don't wanna build her

[green flax]

then put emilia there, vesti more for pressure and bgen same as emilia job

[last vigil]

Didn't build laplace too

[green flax]

u need an off B3 there, show me what u have available

[minor egret]

Maiden?

[green flax]

that works

[last vigil]

Everyone

[green flax]

jus use xmaiden and copy my teams

[covert lintel]

@tropic summit i found other option

[green flax]

jus realised ur a 741 whale

[lost ether]

a lot of max cores

[minor egret]

He's back at it. It's holding so far

[lost ether]

[green flax]

show def teams i wna copy

https://tenor.com/view/hamster-tik-tok-hamster-meme-white-hamster-from-tik-tok-meme-gif-14781935373999839346

[last vigil]

Ok

[minor egret]

Here

[green flax]

ugh i could use these teams but im too lazy to build emilia

[minor egret]

Same but Laplace

[marble bloom]

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/1302297661025554432/1498119444940197908/04272.mp4?ex=69effff5&is=69eeae75&hm=64d4351bf2ad1df95a5f330f41026446f9b047759f706d9339ca277dae5a10e7&

[green flax]

oh laplaceT works fine?

[minor egret]

Should yeah, same role

[umbral crown]

[umbral crown]

That team 3 is the same as i have

[unique wagon]

I'm cooking.

I've run it through some common Siren teams, Moran Noah, etc, and this team is annoying to handle.

Unless you can abuse Noah to get 1 RL comp.

[hidden mortar]

he forgot one important detail though: he's 100 synchro levels higher lol

[unique wagon]

Cus that Rosa will hit before your Noah triggers if you're not fast.

Drake will absolutely kill Noah P5 if you're not protecting her.

Well, you can't...

Unless you bring Rapunzel... but if Drake kills your Noah, Rosa Burst immediately.

Slow Cindy? Lib nukes yo a-

Disclaimer: Requires 4 ATK 4 ELE Rosa*

Nayu Rosa SG this comp? u get cooked as well lmao

[hidden mortar]

hard counters for your vesti - indom and nayuta - helm teams. Cant do anything about the current nayuta team though, biscuit + deficit is rough

[unique wagon]

actually Nayu Rosa SG might win hmm

maybe not

actually no

Drake will survive Rosa wipe and kill the rest of the SGs while immune, then Rosa 1v1 Nayu

since SWHA breaks conceal

but Nayu Rosa SG SWHA SG exist too hmm

[tulip quest]

rookie arena anyone experience the bug?

[unique wagon]

[hidden mortar]

the one where it isnt opening when you click on it?

[tulip quest]

ya ya

[hidden mortar]

I've been getting that today, came to see if anyone was talking about it

so its not just a me thing, good to know

[tulip quest]

I no notice where it was mentioned

[hidden mortar]

are you using mobile or pc client?

[tulip quest]

my clanmates also talking bout it

[hidden mortar]

I'm getting it on mobile

[tulip quest]

pc

this definitely shift up's fault if both pc and mobile

[minor egret]

There's a lot of players getting that right now

[hidden mortar]

everything is always SU's fault

[gritty ridge]

It loses to vesti

[tulip quest]

speak of the devil

[hidden mortar]

you're REDACTED?

[hidden mortar]

yea I've been getting this one as well since the update. Small indie company SU doing small indie company things

[gritty ridge]

Also solo drake wont kill noah before she bursts

[minor egret]

Are we in the same bracket?