pvp-arena

[tight finch]

Yeah

[umbral belfry]

p sure she does (at least in pve)

[mystic rain]

well then

[umbral belfry]

so would make ense she should for pvp

[tight finch]

But stunn3d anis die to non stunned anis

[vapid lake]

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/1041260584454344745/1421997202741661727/ezgif-33ec850c7eb64d.webp

[mystic rain]

bisc

[tight finch]

If you have noah you outlast bisc

[umbral belfry]

guesses to beat a 2rl nayu anis bisc team would either be an anis indom team or just outstalling them with like nero stall anis if my assumption is correct

so basically you need another anis

[tight finch]

Pvp turn into anis matching game

[umbral belfry]

[mystic rain]

yea i dont see how noah priv will change this tbh

like maybe nayu cares abt getting stunned but shes not ur main dps anyway and anis also doesnt care

the other anis died cuz bisc invul on both anis and noah

so no extra invul on anis afterwards

like u basically have to kill bisc before she gives anis 2nd proc or something

and idk how u kill bisc p4

[tight finch]

Becausw everyone dies while stunned and nayu anis not gonna 2v5, priv nuke will prob kill bisc, and anis will murder anyone not immune

[vapid lake]

No, dogshit

[umbral belfry]

nayu and anis can def 2v5 esp anis

[mystic rain]

nonono if its priv burst then helm will live and give lifesteal

[tight finch]

You could even add in soda and try stun someone to brick their burst

[mystic rain]

and the whole team will just regen hp cuz of nayu

[keen vapor]

Biscuit is dog unit

[umbral belfry]

ol reliable

[mystic rain]

and would still regen even when stunned cuz anis is going pew pew

[umbral belfry]

cindy's not getting indom, but it's still 'just use anis against anis'

[tight finch]

Regen wont beat another anis doing pewpew + attacks tho imo

[umbral belfry]

with longer alive time

[tight finch]

Bisc will runout while she stunned and she will die

[undone gate]

what is the best defense OS anis team you make for rookie arena at the moment?

[mystic rain]

well now we have to find someone with anis noah priv bisc +1

[mystic rain]

wait was it noah?

the team ur talking abt'

or blanc

[tight finch]

Noah would block anis during burst

But i don't think you need to use noah

[undone gate]

she is only good as a solo B1 right? so no anis + moran?

[umbral belfry]

ah ah ah

[tight finch]

Just use centi T

[umbral belfry]

anis + moran is great stall (assuming you're also using a stall comp already)

but otherwise no i wouldn't do re-enter anis with a random b1

[tight finch]

I was for this till anis priv destory3d me

[umbral belfry]

[mystic rain]

also might be better to not talk abt this in maincord of all places

need to gatekeep this tech

[undone gate]

i just wanna put a strong defensive team in my rookie arena so i can chill, could you suggest me a team if possible?

like i though anis moran noah swha biscuit but no clue if thats good

[umbral belfry]

it's alright but i wouldn't use anis re-enter on that team personally. esp when you're delaying noah

[mystic rain]

O YEA I WAS RUNNNING noah priv bisc snow anis and it LOST to vesti indom

which is how we got to nayu anis in the first place to beat vesti indom XDDDDDD

[umbral belfry]

idk how good this is in rookie but just kill them with super speed before they kill you. nayu will always go off and if you're fast enough to kill an enemy noah it basically confirms the win

[mystic rain]

and yea i think its crucial u dont use defender b2 with anis bisc

anis needs that extra charge of invul

u dont want anybody else to steal that charge

[charred quail]

I hit the c6 guy instead. i gave up. gem income downgraded to 2400

[mystic rain]

and idk how anyones gonna make anis indom work tbh

[undone gate]

alright ill yoink that and test out a bit what ill replace laplace with. thanks a lot for your advice

[charred quail]

i hope some1 else takes this guy's c5

[umbral belfry]

just make sure you have cs on helm to actually kill a potential noah

[tight finch]

Jackal link her with defenders

[umbral belfry]

oops i didn't take full pic. speedy

[mystic rain]

anis blanc bisc jackal?

brodie

[undone gate]

she only has 4,63% prob not enough?

[umbral belfry]

no it is not

the more cs on helm the better, esp on 2rl nayu anis

[undone gate]

yeah i wish, but she is kinda bricked with my PVE 4x ele 4x att lines so prob wont go for more cs

[umbral belfry]

[quick lake]

such is pve life

[umbral belfry]

for helm, you want min 11 cs. i highly recommend getting at least that if your main aim is pvp

but if not then chill sure

[undone gate]

i would go for it but my other ele att are all first and second lines

[umbral belfry]

[open jewel]

What team comp would counter this?

[lone rapids]

this was the comp i saw here yesterday maybe this can

[mint kite]

Aw man, new rival changes his defense teams faster than old rival does 🙁

already brain-farted on T1

[livid marsh]

Blood i got my anis at 11% cs. Is it enough?

[crystal flicker]

You can beat T1 and T2 easily with Soda and Siren to stun B2 and wipe with AoE burst

[keen vapor]

Hello

[swift mango]

enough that's like equal to 15% cs of common RL.

[lunar pawn]

keep t1 as is, RL team t2, t3 some rosanna shenanigans? unsure

[swift mango]

cookie and cookie

[lunar pawn]

I mean I can just noah+nuke t1

[keen vapor]

[umbral belfry]

[keen vapor]

Scarlet siren

Everything is solved with Scarlet siren

[swift mango]

Wtf?

[keen vapor]

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/956169630400016384/1322996349809070160/1115522135276933200.gif

[umbral belfry]

[keen vapor]

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/1177116972593463316/1441497155465515008/1026322546934698004.gif

[rich ledge]

is rookie arena bugged? I cant click and enter it

[lunar pawn]

thoughts?

[lunar pawn]

working fine for me, restart your game

[rich ledge]

i cant access on my phone and i cant access on my computer weird

[mint kite]

Something like this?

[mint kite]

That happened to me right before reset, bit it's working fine now

[rich ledge]

Im stuck at this page nothing happens when i press rookie

i can enter SP though

[mint kite]

Yes, that's the problem I've had

[slender radish]

Does anyone know when it would be better to pair scarlet/soda over scarlet/siren?

Soda has been cooking me in pvp but I don't necessarily have a lot of dupes or want to use resources to OL her and what not

[mint kite]

Did you have a weird lobby screen after one of your attacks?

[lunar pawn]

soda only for CA

[slender radish]

I'm referring to CA only

[lunar pawn]

then it doesn't matter, it's all rng

[rich ledge]

not that i recall :/ it was stuck before reset and after reset still stuck

i guess just have to wait for it to resolve itself?

[slender radish]

well i'm asking if my investment matters

[umbral crown]

rivals will now and drop you to rank 25

[slender radish]

or for example if siren is more consistent

[mint kite]

Join the support group, I guess
https://discord.com/channels/946719263866101821/1497325218098712818

[nocturne veldt]

can someone help me make 3 teams for arena?

[lunar pawn]

again, it's all rng, soda does have an edge with stun but she suffers more from scarlet counters, and her 2 stuns are rng unless taunted, while siren will hit p1 unless taunted

[slender radish]

wasn't aware that siren hits p1. thanks for the tip

[leaden canyon]

@lunar pawn I heard you ran into the rookie arena bug where you cant enter it, did you manage to fix this? I have the same issue

[lunar pawn]

wasn't me, another guy here

or 2 actually, it seems

[leaden canyon]

Seems to be an account issue, if I had to guess its more of the rookie arena itself thats bugged, because it seems like the others are not attacking because my rank has not changed despite not attacking for a few days

[median compass]

closed game and relaunched then it worked for me

[leaden canyon]

sometimes that works but then once you attack it just bugs out again

[marble saddle]

@leaden canyon do you know the cs amount RL unit have to reduce burst gen wait time?

i think it was 8% then 11% then 15%?

[swift mango]

the c5 is more of a problem

[rich ledge]

I attacked Cisco but got hit by kaffuchi, I think I need to wait for Cisco to take back 3 before I hit again?

Previously kaffuchi only used 1 attempt this time hit twice haha

[swift mango]

[swift mango]

another option is to hit c4.

[rich ledge]

C4 to C6 all the same rewards need to be in C3 for 3k gems

Difficult to strategize

[swift mango]

Then hit C2, you can do it.

[rich ledge]

Lol c2 is too hard

[swift mango]

Joking aside you want more score than Cisco? so just grind him down alone.

[rich ledge]

Yea I guess wait for him to go c3 then hit him?

[swift mango]

only 29 level let gooo

[rich ledge]

Probably he will try to get C3

[rich ledge]

Though is pointless if I make so many enemies and can't defend haha

C1 and C2 so far can hit each other

[umbral crown]

more like investment issues

blanc alone in p1, noah alone in p1

[swift mango]

I'm same synch at him and 5.25m

[umbral crown]

532 with 4.3. more than the 599 boi

[leaden canyon]

Like in general for RL units or a specific RL unit

[swift mango]

599 and not even 4.3m, you bracket is really bricked.

[marble saddle]

wait specific ones have different?

[leaden canyon]

yes

[placid breach]

what updated team list now?

[marble saddle]

then testi's

[leaden canyon]

yeah vesti

[marble saddle]

yes whats her CS rates?

[leaden canyon]

5%, 8%, 11% are minium investments

5% at the very least you want

[marble saddle]

damn.... i was trying to increase ammo from 16 to 20 but got CS instead

[leaden canyon]

well you are at the 11% rate so thats good

also her ammo at 16 is actually fine

usually you dont need more than 12

[marble saddle]

i lost a match yesterday against toran just cause testi started reloading while her indom ended

[umbral crown]

thats elky bracket, not mine

[swift mango]

Anyway, you could hit now or wait, up to you.Either c3-4 hit keep cisco your rank -1 anyway

[marble saddle]

it was 1/5 but 20% chance still make me wanna get to back to 100%

[leaden canyon]

Thats pretty common actually

I like killing Tmoran with SWHA indom

[marble saddle]

well if i have more ammo wouldnt that occurence reduce?

[rich ledge]

If I hit Cisco now then he will go to c5 then hit c3 I think

[leaden canyon]

If you can kill her sure, if not then Tmoran just kills you anyway once indom ends

[lunar pawn]

I feel swha is much better at killing moran than vesti

[swift mango]

oh that 599 is really brick... He probably could basically auto 3 team and Elk couldn't even touch him but he made shit cp teams.

[marble saddle]

the problem with that is my SWHA is still barebones compared to my testi so we do what we can

[leaden canyon]

Usually against a moran noah biscuit team I will just do SWHA blanc hood noir jackal

Even if its against a vesti my blanc is tanky enough to live in p2

[marble saddle]

whats noirs purpose in this team? just buffing or something else?

[leaden canyon]

need sg unit to pop biscuit quick

also the ammo doesn't hurt

[lunar pawn]

low atk?

[marble saddle]

so does it have to be noir then? couldnt it be another SG DPS unit

[leaden canyon]

you can use drake

[rich ledge]

Yea the 599 is pretty brick

[marble saddle]

atk is higher that testi its just that testi's true dmg melts noah and moran faster

[leaden canyon]

I just do noir because it works and still gives me ammo incase I need more shots because I have no ammo rolls on SWHA

[lunar pawn]

atk is all that matters imo

[rich ledge]

I could beat the 599 when I was 535

[marble saddle]

i want to have at min 47% atk on SWHA before i commit to the change

[leaden canyon]

SWHA doesn't need a lot of attack in pvp tbh, shes that broken

it helps for sure but isn't really needed

[umbral crown]

he tried at least to have decent teams even when cp not the best

[marble saddle]

she tends to die fast compared to my c3 testi
so idk if shes still surviving against a higher cp team

[leaden canyon]

Depends how you use her and against what team, if you are fighting anisTT any unlinked jackal water unit will die

assuming the anisTT is bursting

[marble saddle]

nah. its a simple toran noah biscuit team with swha acting as the dps

[leaden canyon]

Oh if SWHA is acting as the dps you just nuke her with anisTT bursting

ez

[marble saddle]

my anis still not ready

78 rocks and all i got is this shit

[leaden canyon]

[north brook]

probably is already enough tbh

she would go from oneshot to twoshot mbe

[leaden canyon]

could try, anisTT blanc vestiTU helmT biscuit

[north brook]

ya anis blanc just obliterates the waters

[marble saddle]

sure ill give it a try later when i do my arena runs.

[north brook]

stall just not possible anymore

[leaden canyon]

btw if any of you are running the nayuta centi helm hood/rosanna emilia/trina/lap team, you need to make the b1 label now because of anis

Helm will just die before bursting without label now

it at least removes the possibility of an ez anis cheese

[marble saddle]

dont have a label so gg i guess

[north brook]

im not sure that team comp was good anyway but i think need to see more of anis effect on meta now

[gritty ridge]

Thats plenty for pvp...

[leaden canyon]

thats what I'm saying

[north brook]

its just so easy to crush anything now tho

[leaden canyon]

[gritty ridge]

Mines not even that strong lmao

[raven plover]

I wish theres ingame rok tracker per character. I lost count after spending 20 on anis

[spiral onyx]

I spent 145 rocks on her in total. I know this because I started off with 114 rocks, ran out, and opened 31 boxes worth

Probably gonna spend another 100 or so finalizing her OL lines later, but only after cooking with Neon some

[umbral crown]

Keripo is doing the thing

hope you got good lines for her

[quick lake]

Im ~100 rocks in

[upbeat dock]

Wtf at this fight.. ran out the clock shooting each other for 1 damage

[gritty ridge]

I spent 12 rocks on anis so far, including base ol

[gritty ridge]

Standard moran mirror

[swift mango]

[swift mango]

https://tenor.com/view/doro-thinking-gif-13015072109773951737

[umbral crown]

[rich ledge]

I finally got to the hard chap 40 boss waiting room like the other people

Need 561 or 581 to pass?

[green flax]

were u suboptimal with ur rolling?

i got this in 40

[quick lake]

[rich ledge]

Mine is lucky I got 3 default elemental rolls

It's gonna be expensive to roll further I should keep for neon now I guess

[green flax]

last 3 u gotta all reroll cuz row 1 ele makes life rlly hard

[rich ledge]

Yea so I'm stopping for now i guess, roll neon and continue to reroll after the solo raid

80+ ele would be good enough for this SR I guess?

[green flax]

yee

[rich ledge]

Need to roll 1 more CS and ammo at least later

[tidal lichen]

for pvp?

[tropic summit]

https://klipy.com/gifs/blue-da-ba-dee-1--k01KQ480FS1JHJ2RHZVN2NYQ61P

T2 need anti nuke + nuke
T1 looks slow enough for you to scar-trina-rh it
T3 needs slower indom, slow cindy or could run vestiTU + rosanna

typically blanc midhara cindy biscuit rumani

it's a 4RL-5RL cindy to hit when noah shield expires

[gritty ridge]

Nah

His cs is enough

[swift mango]

Depending on your investment and if you played on PC. But I go for 601.

[tropic summit]

@glad meteor you're not gonna slack like this guy are you

[swift mango]

Some cleared at 541 even.

[rich ledge]

Now I'm 541 until 601 is long

[mighty haven]

everyone so thirsty, must be anis sweat

[tropic summit]

or you're sitting on a rank a lot of ranks can hit (ch9 is open to dia1 and dia2 iirc)

[gritty ridge]

Yes

[tropic summit]

elaborate

[gritty ridge]

I was just confirming that you remembered correctly

[glad meteor]

[swift mango]

Clear it at 541

[shell hazel]

I cleared at 561 using warudo strat but you need good cp and some dupes probably

@upper grove version but I did this with 1.65M (barely lol)
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=eP1zdd85098

if you don't have dupes it won't work until CP is at least around the 1.65M+ mark probably

more sync can make up for it, idea is that the only damage you really take on anyone but moran is on the 1st AOE nuke, if you can survive that then you should be good to try to beat it

those were my clear stats

[blissful willow]

Yo can someone link me the frame timeline based PvP calculator?

[shell hazel]

https://nikke.top/ ?

oh they added star anis also

[blissful willow]

Thanks mate

[rich ledge]

Sad I don't have much dupes

[shell hazel]

more sync can make up for it

I tried similar but with HelmT instead of SW, it still works just SW is more dps

would have made it if I had more sync on HelmT version

either way 561+ you could start trying it! see what works best for you. If a unit dies in the aoe and was full hp before it, cope tempura cube on them

[hybrid fox]

@tropic summit
win
lose

also my team 1 NEARLY had a chance of slashing but didnt work haha

this dude really blocked me many times haha..

[tropic summit]

how'd you lose that matchup? can you check CP please

[shell hazel]

I'm surprised that lost

[tropic summit]

oh wait i see how you lost

you used OG anis not anisTT...

[shell hazel]

oh wait..

[tropic summit]

@hybrid fox use the right anis dear god...

[shell hazel]

I mean to be fair your thing said anis

so he sent anis

[tropic summit]

who the f sends anis when you've anisTT

[shell hazel]

soldier obeys commands from rail sensei to the letter

[tropic summit]

i'd prefer soldier used 1% of their brain

[shell hazel]

[tropic summit]

@bleak shale add anisTT to the sheet when you've time

[hybrid fox]

https://gif.fxtwitter.com/tweet_video/G_InUVcXEAExaNm.gif
AHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHH

to be fair I recently used anis SR in my teams

[hybrid fox]

sry my brain is exported

how do u invest in anusTT ?

[tropic summit]

she CAN be used, but use your head there:

• you need anti nuke
• you put og anis in p2
• noah is in p5

burst order is from left to right: you burst with og anis = bad

always watch your team ordering

it's still a valuable lesson so don't worry

[tropic summit]

she's actually 10/10/10 worth it, because her kit is just that good

as for OLs, you can't go wrong with atk% and ele%, she can use CS% and 1-2 ammo

you don't need to min/max her if you've other priorities, but she's up there with moranT and siren

@shell hazel time for cheat day

[shell hazel]

every day is cheat day

[tropic summit]

probably next week i'll spoil myself with ramen aswell

[swift mango]

Anis is the best unit in 2026 now... Doubt anni would pass that.
SW still best dps but yeah...

[shell hazel]

every day

[tropic summit]

https://klipy.com/gifs/tyler-hynes-hynies-59--k01KQ4N7FV9DSPBPDCA3FMG8HKG

[shell hazel]

you are in control sir you can make it happen!

https://tenor.com/view/doro-gif-517594489123524628

[unique wagon]

Idk if its correct

[tropic summit]

https://klipy.com/gifs/nagatoro-noodletoro-4--k01KQ4N9WDDMD84EPD7VEW8343R

[tropic summit]

it probably isn't, but it's close it

clipRL tier between 30 to 35 sits fine to me, you can account for minor deviations because they won't matter unless you running really specific burst speeds

[shell hazel]

https://tenor.com/view/nagatoro-noodletoro-noodle-arms-ijiranaide-nagatoro-san-don't-toy-with-me-miss-nagatoro-gif-5700553319668700329

[scarlet adder]

@gaunt pulsar do you have maybe this fight as well by some miracle?

[unique wagon]

i need to build pvp to maintain c10

worth or no

[gaunt pulsar]

well i can see every in our CA, i'm betting on different match though, but can check your too

[scarlet adder]

if it is not a problem for you, thank you

[swift mango]

[scarlet adder]

if we talk between top 10 and top 30 you lose 32 pulls across a one year in gems

you be the judge if it is a lot for you or not

compared to investments you would need to make

[unique wagon]

There are 9 whales in my pvp

[swift mango]

CA qualifications extended to top 10 trust

[unique wagon]

I dont think its worth it

Not 8, someone joined in the foray

[swift mango]

Or 9 guys that aren't bricked

[scarlet adder]

please no 😄 i don't care for CA xD

[swift mango]

[unique wagon]

These 9 whales have proper teams

You know SEA people bro
They always competitive

[shell hazel]

you can just send some bs and die in quals if you don't want to try on it 🙂

top 10 actually makes the most sense to me

and is something I think they should add

[scarlet adder]

that's what i usually do 😄

[unique wagon]

what reward

[scarlet adder]

if i were SU i would make CA only top 1 😄 imagine whales gem fighting for it xD

[gaunt pulsar]

should be Sha win on 3,4,5, maybe even 1, but low chance

[scarlet adder]

ok thank you wonder if we will land in same pvp one day xD

[gaunt pulsar]

maybe

[unique wagon]

Better allow you to "stan a player". A player can be stanned by at most 10 other players. If a player wins, all players who stan them get 50% of their gem rewards. Top 1 3000, Rank 2 2500, Top 4 2000, Top 8 1500, Top 16 1000. You can only change stans every 3 months.

And the competers must accept their requests*

So if u stan a Top 1, get 1500 gems when they win

Generous system huh

Incentivizes cooking for the pros

I mean the whales not pros

Pros dont need cook

Then add modifiers/Nikke ban rotation

Such as RL's burst gen is 50% lower or RL has shorter range -50%. Or Units have more Max HP.

Or units obtain immunity for 1s upon entering B3 stage.

or each team must contain 1 MG

we will see Emma cooks again

[shell hazel]

I said a while back that I think seasonal stuff could be fun, and would make CA cooks more interesting

for example not being able to run any RL units 😄

imagine the chaos

[fair pivot]

Defense no longer working in new bracket and Anis meta

These are nice ideas about CA but (for me at least) the problem with pvp is that it's quite unintuitive and there is very little way to experiment. Besides rookie arena, where teams aren't representative of SPA or CA anyway.

[sinful sapphire]

what cube should AnisTT have and what are the recommended overloads? for arena

[unique wagon]

And no rewards

[hybrid fox]

dam, another 10/10/10 chara? ouchie ouchie

[quick lake]

sweaty day 1 bracket

Nero come back baby

long live stall comp

[swift mango]

I was talking about Nero team needs AoE dps that can heal the other day and here we are.

[quick lake]

shiftup finally caring about pvp (somewhat)

[raven plover]

sw missiles heal allies

[quick lake]

<@&1450788368702111765> <@&946725432554836008>

[hollow lagoon]

ssr mod's when

oh dang this is hard to pull

[quick lake]

u can volunteer

[hollow lagoon]

no i have my hands full running a cult

[quick lake]

u are UR leader?

[hollow lagoon]

no

the leader is someone else, i just do the rituals

[tropic summit]

@quick lake he's the one truly behind the cult, he rules behind the shadows

[hollow lagoon]

https://gif.fxtwitter.com/tweet_video/G9gW2NYaMAAkUn-.gif

[tropic summit]

https://klipy.com/gifs/hold-up-hold-up-meme--k01KQ4VJ2KEZED5PWKFCM1TFYJH

[worldly osprey]

@swift mango you building cs on your stanis?

[hollow lagoon]

[misty finch]

These SP teams good? Have all of the meta PvP units built but am missing some of the nicher ones

[tropic summit]

T1: to slot privaty you need to be natural 2RL, that team is siren weak and then any elec nuke will kill both privT and helmT
T2: decent
T3: moran again? i'll just consider it as a standalone team. Having SWHA indom without Ada means it can be stalled, neither bad or good

[misty finch]

Damn. Yeah I'll fix the double moran and priv 2rl means you can't do many defensive units right? Mostly just noah?

[tropic summit]

the defensive patterns are these:

• noise bay (biscuitless, overflow nuke weak, indom weak)
• noise bay jackal (noise linked, overflow nuke weak, indom weak)
• noise bay biscuit (indom weak, overflow nuke resistant)
• moran noah (biscuitless, indom weak, overflow nuke immune)
• moran noah biscuit (indom resistance, overflow immune)

[misty finch]

This?

[misty finch]

Guess I should build bay huh

[tropic summit]

looks good on all 3, just nitpick on T3:

• jackal SWHA rumani blanc ada

also test it first in shooting range, ensure ada has higher HP than SWHA

indom condition:

• indom target must be linked
• indom target must be lowest HP in link

[misty finch]

Time to build Ada 😭

[swift mango]

only 10% doesn't really matter

[misty finch]

Electric raid coming up anyway 🙏

[misty finch]

Is the stat screen not enough I kinda cbf

[tropic summit]

it's not enough, it doesn't account for atk% and cubes

the surefire is testing in shooting range / campaign upon entering battle, then just pause and click on the units to check values

[worldly osprey]

guess my bay and bis are just too squishy. bis is only 1-star

[misty finch]

Lol

[lunar pawn]

Anyone got any ideas on how I can shuffle/tweak the teams a bit? Anis reenter seems tricky, unsure if nayuta team still works, heard it might be better to replace RH with label; as for the tvesti indom, it should be fine ig?

[misty finch]

@tropic summit Are there any cubes I should be using on certain characters actaully I've mostly just been using the campaign cubes for CP

[lunar pawn]

Quantum for clip RLs, tempering for nikkes that get a lot of heat

[tropic summit]

in jackal teams your batteries should always prefer quantum (jackal, centi, rumani, trina etc)
in stall teams or any teams, your tanks and main B3 will want tempering (swha, vestiTU, noah, moran...)
your healers or units that give you sustain will prefer vigor (biscuit, blanc, noise)

[misty finch]

Does quantum do anything if you're already at the proper speed threshold though

[tropic summit]

on jackal teams yes, on other teams unlikely

[misty finch]

The CP loss is worth it?

[lunar pawn]

Vigor works too if you run out of tempering or need to make sure you reach hp thresholds, e.g. wanting indom to land on X character

[tropic summit]

if your quantum is lvl 1 or 3 no, if it's lvl 7 ye

[misty finch]

Vigor/tempering lvl 5 worth using?

I could get them to 7

[tropic summit]

ye most of the time it will

tempering to 7 and quantum 7 are not a waste so go ahead

vigor you could let it level naturally

[lunar pawn]

Is this better? Wondering if SWHA as sole b3 isn't risky

[tropic summit]

looks decent

[lunar pawn]

I can work with decent

[misty finch]

What are label's requirements to properly stop an electric team?

[sudden crag]

I don't play SP Arena much, any idea how to beat these teams?

[swift mango]

Just slower speed and Cindy burst is better.

[tropic summit]

run these, you're on the left

T1 and T3 should be wins, T2 is optional as you may not have rosanna built

Notes:

• anis = anisTT
• teams are assumed not in deficit (multiply enemy CP for 0.846, your team value needs to be above that)

[hollow lagoon]

@tropic summit what are the %chance of some one smite me for this

[sudden crag]

@tropic summit Gotcha, I'll check it out.

[tropic summit]

none cuz she's wearing a form of clothes

[hollow lagoon]

[glad meteor]

[lunar pawn]

Am I coping too much with t3?

[tropic summit]

@hollow lagoon good bod + good face tho, sassuga

[hollow lagoon]

tis from a entire gallery

[tropic summit]

ah yes, the gallery

[hollow lagoon]

[tropic summit]

T3 looks like a win, you'll kill swha twice

[lunar pawn]

Alright bet

[hollow lagoon]

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/1230299568063647784/1446222723989639198/terminus_ticket_intro_soline_flashbell___.gif

[lunar pawn]

Mm t3 lost

[tropic summit]

https://klipy.com/gifs/guinaifens-ultimate-firefly--k01KQ4ZXMKGT2NTKG48NZJ7RQAQ

[tropic summit]

linked blanc, nicely played on opponent side

that's enough to hit B2 in time before siren stuns

your bracket knows how to cook a meal

[lunar pawn]

[tropic summit]

next time you know you can punish that with scar vestiTU ros trina jackal, as you need to kill both blanc and SWHA together

at that point rapunzel can only revive one unit and it has to be highest atk% between the 2

(SWHA)

SG team might also have a chance, although you feed hard from 0RL to 1RL

[lunar pawn]

Fair

This bracket is too wild

Nobody is safe

And there's one guy gemming daily to keep top 3

[tropic summit]

look at the bright side, you aint gonna get rusty anytime soon

[lunar pawn]

[versed mesa]

https://klipy.com/gifs/the-dark-knight-its-about-sending-a-message-1

[swift mango]

Label is weaker than RH but she help you not die to a tanky scarlet team (like adding Nosie) if they choice to do so...

[lunar pawn]

Was also thinking of an anis wipeout

[worldly osprey]

only bis has 18cs, no cs on anyone else. and in the moran noah bis helm swa team, helm killed miku, so cindy bursted but still lost

[swift mango]

anis would wipe you after 5 seconds anyway

Ofc Label may solo anis if both became last man standing on the field to solo each other

[unique wagon]

How does Bay Burst work btw

[swift mango]

Your site or gg had a detail explanation on her share dmg.

[tropic summit]

you cast B2, your cover starts taking damage (e.g. block nukes)
if your bay is invulnerable, she will also block overflow (liberalio, helmT etc)
then when cover fully breaks, bayT takes damage and shares it until she's dead (5 man link)

note: even 1% of cover is enough to block a nuke, but once no more cover left, your team takes the distributed damage from bay

[swift mango]

I mean, his site has detailed on how many % dmg bay take as well.
Like 40-60% of total dmg or sth.

[tropic summit]

maybe he's asking to crosscheck the info

[swift mango]

Bay+Another biscuit defender+Nero/Ludmilla could block Libby nuke easily since only 2 units really take dmg and got shared to 3 null.

[versed mesa]

Yooo, my old rival in SP who got shuffled to a different group won against last season Winner

[swift mango]

Good enough

[unique wagon]

if BayT has cover and is not invul, and get nuked what happens

[swift mango]

I probably won't be champ this season. I feel I don't have much luck this one. Hope I could get to top 8.

His team was terrible and I almost lost to it.

[late tiger]

ye, that was pure luck

usually cindy doesn't even do 1 dmg to moran

[swift mango]

I probably need to make Emma more tanky.
Naked Emma ain't it unlike Ade.

[tropic summit]

silly you, should've critted

where's your 60%+ crit rate rosa

[arctic jewel]

"Your site" made me laugh xD

[dim shuttle]

Hey guys, I don't really do SP Arena anymore but, you guys got a general idea on how to beat these teams? Thought I'd give it a shot this time around.

[swift mango]

Nah, last time I brought Emi and won this similar team pretty easily. This team I swapped to LapT and it's a lost.

guess Emi is better after all

[shell hazel]

I think this requires a closer inspection

[hollow lagoon]

[shell hazel]

also how am I still alive even with my indom team being broken?

[lost ether]

if i run the exact team like the enemy for my def, my rapunzel would be linked instead with sw, would u say its better since i can put rapu p1 and sw p2 and rapu can prob stun?

[tulip quest]

hey even if it's a terrible team if it works it works

[versed mesa]

https://tenor.com/view/ratchet-and-clank-nick-astalos-nick-astalos-ratchet-and-clank-ratchet-clank-gif-16818980

[tropic summit]

rapunzel p1 linked it's harder to drop low HP enough to pull off a stun, better running her with soline

[shell hazel]

truly is, I'm being hard carried by teams 1/4/5

[tropic summit]

if anything rapunzel on defense is easy to bypass, opponent can just run SR units to put their damage onp 5, which denies rapunzel

[arctic jewel]

Because your Nikkes are built different

[shell hazel]

maybe chonkier

[shell hazel]

ok genius so what will they do when we get rapunzel 2 huh?

[arctic jewel]

It's like my Noah team tanking a Scarlet nuke from a Scarlet/Soda team and then proceeds to destroy that team

[shell hazel]

https://tenor.com/view/chess-chesscom-candidates-chess-gif-chess-funny-gif-26163840

[versed mesa]

I dunno if I've ever been stunned by an enemy rapunzel and I don't even take her into account when making a counter

Seems to have worked so far

[shell hazel]

she stunned and won a match for me in quals let me dig it out lol

[dim shuttle]

Was about to say thanks to Railtracer and try the teams but the message disappeared

[versed mesa]

Didn't even know she had a stun for ages

[tropic summit]

run these you're on the left

• teams assumed not in deficit (multiply enemy CP for 0.846, your team CP must be higher than that value)

[swift mango]

I mean his line up as a whole not that team

[tropic summit]

ye i realized you had the option for triple win, gave you a new version

[versed mesa]

She was just my main healer starting out as she was my first ever pilgrim

[swift mango]

https://tenor.com/view/random-bullshit-go-moon-knight-random-random-bullshit-gif-25725102

[dim shuttle]

Oh dang thank you. I'll try it then!

[tulip quest]

I see not just his team his WHOLE team then

[tropic summit]

one last thing, liberalio in nayuta team in p1 can be any wind code, throw an SBS in there and keep lib in T1

[tulip quest]

https://tenor.com/view/doro-nikke-dorothy-doro-dancing-gif-5368242873039800586

[shell hazel]

rapu stun victory desu

[tropic summit]

https://klipy.com/gifs/todd-howard-it-just-works-1--k01KQ530PKD1MDHM9FY7JYN4KSH

[dim shuttle]

Thank you, will keep that in mind.

Also, would you be alright with sharing your current SPA defense teams? I'm out of date on this and would like to update mine. I got resources to level up dolls and gear currently so I should be able to do some CP padding.

[shell hazel]

https://tenor.com/view/todd-howard-bethesda-elder-scrolls-oblivion-laughing-gif-27490544

[tropic summit]

probably easier if you shared your box/blabla link set to public, that way i can account for your invested units

[tropic summit]

imagine you win champ this season with broken indom team, that'd be funny

[shell hazel]

it would be... I think impossible

confirmation it's still broken 😄

actually if that wasn't broken it was prob my win, vesti is not good at the last bit on indom

[dim shuttle]

Got it. Here it is, https://www.blablalink.com/shiftyspad/nikke-list?uid=MjkwODAtMTI5Mjk2MDYzNzI4NDM5MjY5NDg%3D&openid=MjkwODAtMTI5Mjk2MDYzNzI4NDM5MjY5NDg%3D

[swift mango]

Defend on her cs, but SW doesn't have much to worry with her following up.

[tropic summit]

k taking a look

[tiny scroll]

Can someone explain what happened here? Rapunzel stunned me, and I recovered and still won.

[arctic jewel]

Is SWHA more popular in an indom team?

Compared to something like VestiTU

[shell hazel]

you just explained it good job!

[swift mango]

Rapu only stun 1s. You still wiped before Libby landed. Rapu doesn't really work with Libby and your opponent was just ignorant of that.

[tropic summit]

SP arena

• nayuta privT helmT anisTT emilia
• moran siren swha lappy noah
• jackal vestiTU cindy blanc drakeT

[shell hazel]

and this is why you don't run anis unprotected p1

[tropic summit]

bro thought anisTT is a moran

[arctic jewel]

Why Noah in p2 instead of p1? Huh?

[shell hazel]

my matches are weird

[arctic jewel]

"She is top tier, she's obviously gonna win regardless"

[tropic summit]

bracket is still young

[oak smelt]

What's with the new bracket that i was shuffled in, i don't think i had so much attacks within 3 days.
29 attacks in 3 days and only manage to successfully defend 22 times

[swift mango]

So what did this guy think?

[shell hazel]

@dim escarp you facing my SPA bro TOPYRO next round good luck!

[tropic summit]

low hitters + SG shooting cindy decoy probably didn't help

[swift mango]

His only Burst 2 is Anchor p1.

[dim shuttle]

🙏 🙏 🙏

[versed mesa]

First mosquito of the year just tried to 1v1 me!

[arctic jewel]

That's a banger quote

Saving the screenshot

[umbral belfry]

@quick lake not surprising

[arctic jewel]

👀

[tropic summit]

SGs into moran, i can relate so much with this, happens all seasons

[arctic jewel]

Makes me wanna drop SGs

[tropic summit]

it's just CA being a dumb f mode, improve your luck and you'll do fine

[quick lake]

Dominated

[arctic jewel]

Lmao

Doesn't all PvP modes suck? xD

[tropic summit]

https://klipy.com/gifs/kolow--k01KQ540RWVGJK0B7Y44GWKF8S0

[versed mesa]

https://tenor.com/view/kolow-gif-22856605

[dim shuttle]

Hey sorry, I just realized that T1 and T2 both use Liberalio.

[quick lake]

so far my Nayuta + Anis hasnt lost too

[dim shuttle]

oh i forgot already sorry 🙏

[umbral belfry]

[tropic summit]

no worries

[frank ingot]

may I ask if my Anis stat is ok? if not, what should be improved?

[tropic summit]

atk% is on spot, ele atk% could be higher

ammo and CS% let's ask the expert

@swift mango what's the best stats for pvp anisTT when it comes to ammo and CS%

[versed mesa]

I'm so dry on rocks that I can't roll for better stats on my Anis yet Still need to keep some for OL the boots too once I get them

[frank ingot]

Will do your suggestion. Thank you

[arctic jewel]

I'm curious too

[arctic jewel]

Very relatable, but for all Nikkes

[tropic summit]

@arctic jewel last i remember anyway we mentioned treating anisTT as regular clipRL, meaning aim for 11%CS or 15%CS

the only thing i'm not fully sure off is recommendable ammo, but probably x1-x2

[gaunt pulsar]

@scarlet adder sorry for misdirecting you

[frank ingot]

I will try to get more or even better cs% rolls. I now have 2x ammo stat but it aint the highest (she now has 11/11 ammo)

[arctic jewel]

I happened to roll a black line for Def, I'll keep it for now, but...

I guess it's not a bad idea if I intend to use her in a stall team, but still

[dim shuttle]

Thank you for the help. 2/3 won. T3 lost as Mihara died not being able to procc burst on time. Thank you again 🙏

[scarlet adder]

oh i didn't work 😄 i was doing coop so didn't look, no problem

[tropic summit]

midhara was supposed to die and let cindy burst, you didn't kill them once cindy bursted?

good that the other 2 worked

[dim shuttle]

Oh u know what, I used the wrong Anis.

I think it would've won actually since there was enough time to burst when Mihara died.

[tropic summit]

i dunno maybe it's a disease that is spreading @shell hazel

they all use og Anis for some reason, must be the ass

gets ppl confused

afterall it's a fine ass

[tiny scroll]

I do like how all 3 Anis are good at PVP.

[tropic summit]

ye it was a slowly cindy team but it's fine, keep it for next time if they don't change lineup and you gotta attack them again

[dim shuttle]

I'd Anis too all the time.

[tropic summit]

https://klipy.com/gifs/nichijou-yukko--k01KQ54Z9WP9VQXS1458C4PVDDH

[versed mesa]

https://tenor.com/view/fellowship-of-the-ring-fellowship-got-your-back-elijah-wood-viggo-mortensen-gif-2645844577655468458

[covert lintel]

Anis doesn't need any cs

[shell hazel]

[tropic summit]

@upper grove @hollow lagoon was giving it a shot with the iframe strat, i got the timings down decently well now, one thing, considering the cover leftover from the first wave of AoE waves, would this be enough to let me survive to the end?

(ignore RRH is dead, i was testing tanking 2 hits, i can indeed tank 1 at least)

[hollow lagoon]

prob nuff but maybe 621

[tropic summit]

damage wise you mean ye?

or survival too

[dim shuttle]

All I see is

[hollow lagoon]

me donno

[upper grove]

it's 5 ticks of aoe pulses total, if you tanked 3 and covered 2 you should be fine. if you tanked 2 and covered 3 you are dead; unless you manage to heal up enough inbetween ticks

[shell hazel]

[versed mesa]

I'm trying hold off on putting just a SR0 doll on Anis until solo raid, hoping I'll get a blue one first. But it is so tempting

[tropic summit]

i tanked 1 and covered 4, meaning i'm ded i guess

[upper grove]

sounds like it

[tropic summit]

thank you again good sir

[swift mango]

Idk, you probably want 2-3 line CS, 8% at least so it's equal to 11% of normal rl.
Ammo, I would like 2 line but 1 line probably enough.
Rest just got atk and ele.

Anis is just inexpensive anyway she has lots self buff already,

[arctic jewel]

Tbf, Aegis squad has very cute ladies

[tropic summit]

FYI @arctic jewel @frank ingot

[hollow lagoon]

tank 1 and cover only mmast

[upper grove]

if your cover is slightly sub 50% after tanking 4, maybe covering 3 and 4 is barely enough to survive

[tropic summit]

they all die within 2 hits, don't think crown even heals up that fast

[versed mesa]

I got CS% on line 3 initial roll for Anis on both chest and helm. If I can just keep those will make rolling for ele and attack so much easier

[arctic jewel]

Rip my Def line

[tropic summit]

ye that's what i'm trying

[hollow lagoon]

then u only shoot with rapi

[tropic summit]

and pray for the best

[hollow lagoon]

if my 60 ele rapi can do it so can u

[shell hazel]

I won't build my anis for pvp tbh it will just be whatever she winds up getting + 4 atk/ele

[covert lintel]

Burst helmT when aoe to facetank it

[versed mesa]

Gloves I got ele% on line 3 in just a few rerolls

[tropic summit]

some units live, some just die

[hollow lagoon]

for my account only rapi can live

for my friends's account i only need to cover mmast

[dim escarp]

I should win I think I did look earlier

[swift mango]

60% ele but high core and high atk.

[covert lintel]

Did you use tempering for all of them?

[hollow lagoon]

30 atk

[swift mango]

high enough for me but Rail probably higher

[hollow lagoon]

Rail is haxor he has 100 ele

[covert lintel]

I always use full tempering when campaign

[shell hazel]

he not super high invest he rarely makes it this far tbh

[tropic summit]

result of running them with lifesteal on

it seems i can tank 2 shots at best then 3rd shot wipes mmast and crow, 4th shot wipes helmt

gonna try with tempura

[frank ingot]

Thank you for this and for the mention @tropic summit

[hollow lagoon]

looks like a rapi only deal

[tropic summit]

@hollow lagoon @covert lintel @upper grove

look at RRH HP, am i breaking the game

[hollow lagoon]

[covert lintel]

How about with moronT?
Low dps?

[swift mango]

[tropic summit]

how the f she died from full HP

[hollow lagoon]

crit idk

[hybrid fox]

what

[tropic summit]

gonna try the tank 1 cover 4 and screw it

[tacit arch]

yoo, is it better to swap out anis with rapunzel or keep it like that?

[upper grove]

wtf

[tropic summit]

keep it 2RL

[upper grove]

rapi just stopped working

[umbral belfry]

ain't no one looking at rrh's hp

[tropic summit]

i know where you looking at

[umbral belfry]

https://tenor.com/view/cena-ass-john-cena-gif-12412994414466314679

[swift mango]

https://tenor.com/view/nikke-anis-laughing-sunglasses-gif-1643454072105361639

[arctic jewel]

Huh? What is this witchcraft?

[shell hazel]

zombie rapi

[arctic jewel]

We playing Final Fantasy now?

[worldly osprey]

@swift mango

[uncut crown]

This is more of a question of why this team I have been trying is working. I have recently experimented with Nayuta-Privaty (Treasure)-Red Hood-Trina-Maiden IR team and it seems to actually being working quite well.

In particular, not just Nayuta but the team seems to be able to tank more than a Scarlet team I was using before. What is the basic mechanic of this new team that makes it more survivable?

[tropic summit]

it has no tanking ability though, the scarlet you running against either dies on nayuta B2 or she's bricked and lacks lethal invest

assuming this is the team you meant:

[uncut crown]

I am comparing the team I am using now to a scarlet team I was using before. Both times I am the one using the team attacking others in rookie arena. And yes that is the new team I am using.

[tropic summit]

it's very slow, you might wanna consider subbing RH for anisTT at least

or bench xmaiden for anisTT

[uncut crown]

But if Scarlet needed a lot of investment that may be why. I also don’t have AnisTT yet.

[tropic summit]

alright, well nayuta on RH buff is around 55-65% of a unit HP in most use cases

[shell hazel]

Rail

[tropic summit]

give her 5%atk OL more or just crit next time, silly you

[shell hazel]

[final pier]

If you can, grab her. Super strong in all modes, you’ll be always using her

[shell hazel]

I uploaded my matches some 🍿 in here
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dqcwadOrQwA

[uncut crown]

Ok, that can also explain some it. Nayuta getting more damage.

[frank ingot]

how to win against this in rookie? I tried noah/biscuit/helmT/rosanna/swha but winning is inconsistent. 1st fight both swha and anis died from rosanna, then the next fight anis got invincible.

[uncut crown]

I am waiting for Neo Neon before I start to pull/build golden tickets.

[tropic summit]

try

anis lib blanc biscuit crown

record if you can

[shell hazel]

the new anis not the old one

[tropic summit]

hopefully he knows

[shell hazel]

I wonder sir, I wonder

[frank ingot]

here's the run. Lib died before bursting

[shell hazel]

you'd be fine with blanc p2/lib p3 though

[tropic summit]

yeah gonna need to fix positioning it seems, this is the info we wanted:

the problem is the DPS between 2.5RL and 3RL

we could fix this with a rapunzel afterall

[shell hazel]

you can also blanc p1 I guess but yeah

hard to control indom on p2 if they die 😄

[tropic summit]

alright this next @frank ingot

anis blanc lib biscuit rapunzel

[frank ingot]

I tried this, and lib still died before blanc bursts. I have tempering cube for lib, do I need to change it?

[tropic summit]

vigor on biscuit rapunzel blanc, tempering on lib and anisTT

give it a shot with anis blanc lib biscuit rapunzel and record again, should fix it

[frank ingot]

applied the cubes to them.

[swift mango]

Finally

[shell hazel]

she lived and got indom but man lib sucks post indom world lol

your own SWHA version but with slower burst?

[tropic summit]

no we were too fast actually, landed when they still had seconds left of biscuit

either we don't pop their stacks with low hitters or we go even slower

[shell hazel]

lib was too close to death

she'd die if we burst any later in that team

[tropic summit]

lib can die there's rapunzel for that

[shell hazel]

true I suppose

so how do we go slower? we can't lose blanc biscuit or rapu if you want res

anis out for someone slower like moran?

giga feed though

[tropic summit]

3RL lib was too fast so we need to go slower if anything, need to see how many seconds they had

invuln pops at x:56, meaning it should last until x:51, lib nuke at 3RL landed at x:53

4RL lands around x:51, potentially in time for invuln running out

if you don't mind one last test @frank ingot

anis blanc cindy biscuit rapunzel

[covert lintel]

Try

[tropic summit]

you're fed to 2RL, is that what you want?

more burst gen data to feed you on anisTT btw @unique wagon

#pvp-arena message
#pvp-arena message

[covert lintel]

Idk, i'm still figuring out how to deal with anis

[frank ingot]

tried this. biscuit got the indom then beat them lmao (in clutch tho)

[tropic summit]

good but also bad, we were still too fast uh

[vapid reef]

Is it possible for my bottom team to kill moran + p2/p3 within vesti's first burst attack?

[tropic summit]

dayum we need to be 5RL cindy or 4RL lib it looks like, but the DPS from SWHA and anis between 2.5RL and 3RL won't allow stalling

pretty neat things anisTT can do

HP situation at B4 4RL (after B3)

don't think we can go 5RL cindy but can go 4RL lib probably, which should meet condition

lib will die at 3RL-4RL, then revive at 4RL B1

[hollow lagoon]

got me a fake @arctic jewel because the real one dont want me

[tropic summit]

for tomorrow/next time @frank ingot if you wanna try

moran blanc lib biscuit rapunzel

lemme know how it goes

[frank ingot]

I could go now, don't mind gemming

lemme build it real quick

[tropic summit]

oh if you don't mind, you're a hero and thank you for testing

[covert lintel]

Test mine too

[tropic summit]

https://klipy.com/gifs/cinderella-nikke-1--k01KQ59K0XTRNRY3BWERMHN1W5W

[rich ledge]

This Cisco is waiting for me to go to C3 then hit me? So far today didn't take any action

[frank ingot]

not even bursting

[long chasm]

How to counter

[tropic summit]

yeah the DPS rapidly gets wild with anisTT, best it can last is around 3RL with normal units and 4RL-ish with cindy

Thank you

[covert lintel]

it's exact same team

[frank ingot]

no worries, glad I can help

[tropic summit]

you can test yours here @covert lintel

although beware it's a vestiTU this time

[unique wagon]

It's bullet count * 0.084

[frank ingot]

I'll also think how to beat that team (if I can )

[tropic summit]

[oak smelt]

Is this a good win/loss defense ratio for a newly shuffled bracket within 3 days or should i be doing better?
22 wins and 7 lost on defense
I don't think i have gotten attacked so much within 3 days in my previous bracket.

[unique wagon]

But it's a bit weird.

[tropic summit]

it depends on your bracket for the most part, a good pvper shouldn't take more than 1 attempt at breaking ur defense
if anything it's remarkable you're defending that often, so overall i'd say good job

[covert lintel]

Try this

[unique wagon]

What if they're 50 syncs ahead.

[tropic summit]

you think that lib gonna live the vestiTU?

[unique wagon]

In a world with Anis what are you doing

[covert lintel]

jackal linked can't survive?

[tropic summit]

hmmmmmmmmmmm
only one way to find out

[unique wagon]

We know 2 Anis comps butcher that comp:

• Nayu Anis Biscu
• Blanc Anis Biscu

[oak smelt]

Yeah, its a first for me since the newly reshuffled bracket 3 days ago.
Getting attacked 29 times within 3 days is a new record.

[covert lintel]

I'm trying

[unique wagon]

What is this Lib research

[tropic summit]

ye pretty wild

[unique wagon]

Im sure Lib will die before burst

Go on

[long chasm]

I try this battle once and any win close by solo moran

[unique wagon]

Ok maybe not cus Jack gets immuned but

[tropic summit]

try

noah biscuit helmt swha moran

[rich ledge]

Is this ok?

[covert lintel]

It's better to try out than assuming

[unique wagon]

Hmm

[tropic summit]

T3 is iffy
T2 risky on anisTT dying
T1 if indom vestiTU, will win

i'd say fix T3 or T2, T2 is easier to fix

[rich ledge]

Like this problem solved?

[glad meteor]

Disel

[tropic summit]

i'd run this

T3 vestiTU and lappy assumed linked, vestiTU lowest HP in link (or slot RH instead of trina if you know links already, you're 2RL regardless)

[covert lintel]

so long battle

[tropic summit]

holy F anisTT dmg

can't even outheal it

people won't even need ada anymore

say bye bye to former stalls

[long chasm]

I dont really like that close battle btw, it like walk in top rope

[tropic summit]

lmao meanwhile moran soloing

i mean... it works?

[frank ingot]

anisTT is truly something

[long chasm]

I almost die there if moran not ult

[tropic summit]

3 episodes later of blanc vs moran

[tropic summit]

yeah it's far from a proper counter, would be better keeping units alive than relying on moran solo

[frank ingot]

it took that long to finish lmao

[covert lintel]

No one tried my comp

[long chasm]

Ok i try it

[tropic summit]

let's see if lib lives

[covert lintel]

[umbral belfry]

@short moon you can do it gl

[long chasm]

What a surprise🫣

[covert lintel]

[tropic summit]

@covert lintel lib saw the afterlife for a brief moment

that's HP pre blanc B2

what a mad lad

[rich ledge]

If rh links instead of Laplace it's not good right? Then I should use trina

[tropic summit]

up to you, if RH has higher HP than VestiTU, and as long as vestiTU is linked, it works out too

[rich ledge]

If Laplace gets hit and doesn't have link it will misindom?

[covert lintel]

Too much assuming the team would definitely lose

[tropic summit]

you can test in shooting range if unsure

[rich ledge]

I need to move Laplace to p4 or 5?

[tropic summit]

so, here's what you can do:

assuming vestiTU and lappy linked, lappy higher HP

• vestiTU blanc laplaceT trina jackal

assuming vestiTU and RH linked, RH higher HP

• vestiTU blanc RH laplaceT jackal

[rich ledge]

Yea that's what I thought need to put Laplace behind

[covert lintel]

Did you use tempering @long chasm ?

[tropic summit]

ye p4 is not exposed to any damage aside from some pokes (SWHA)
p1 and p2 are exposed to normal fire and normal RL splash
p3 is exposed to emilia and vestiTU splash
all p are exposed to SWHA pokes

[covert lintel]

For libby

[tropic summit]

let's be honest, that HP is far from safe but it worked out

the day that lad gives vestiTU a bit more invest it's bayover

[long chasm]

Yes, still almost die

Moran an lib blanc use tem

That how crazy anis TT dmg

[covert lintel]

You can actually move libby to biscuit, and she'll be safe for sure

[tropic summit]

if biscuit dies ye all good, biscuit isn't ele weak

worst case scenario you indom biscuit instead

although we're lucky here they ran biscuit in p5, can make them misindom

[arctic jewel]

😔

[tropic summit]

bully

[covert lintel]

Nah, the main point of that team isn't that
It's to kill off 4 nikke and make p5 take indom

[arctic jewel]

I haven't done anything! xD

[rich ledge]

Ok yesterday we made the defense team for Cisco but Cisco haven't it and it was broken by this current guy

[worldly axle]

Any advice on the lineup?

[rich ledge]

I guess we can keep the defense team and see if Cisco tries to hit it? But it's vulnerable the c5 who broke it haha

[tropic summit]

nice triple

[covert lintel]

No matter how big dmg that anis team
It's useless if they didn't trigger biscuit immune

[rich ledge]

His last team is quite nonsense haha

[tropic summit]

T2 looks a bit weird, T1 is okish, T3 is ok

i'd:

• change up T2
• remove poli for splash/siren

you can get ideas from here #pvp-arena message

[tropic summit]

hence why the other lad ran cindy in p5

then you cannot misindom p5 but only p3

and for p3 to misindom you'd need emi/vestiTU

[rich ledge]

Diesel indom almost killed me though

[tropic summit]

pretty overall good team at that point

mitigates indom, mitigates instant nukers, can't be properly rosanna'ed

can deal with stalls too

does cost a biscuit and blanc tho

[tropic summit]

i didn't even consider T3 as i focused on T1 and T2, you did well on your own

[rich ledge]

Cisco is online let's see if he hits

15 min

[versed mesa]

I've been left alone for now, but I assume they are just sharpening their blades, waiting for a proper time to strike

[rich ledge]

This reshuffle is ENTERTAINMENT I was sitting in C3 comfortably before I guess I'll lose 300 gems every 2 weeks now

[covert lintel]

That's why I'm trying to wipe all using priv

[tropic summit]

good ol' privaty stunneroni nukeroni

[cedar sorrel]

Yall think this possible somehow at deficit

This guy is just chilling top 1 cuz hes gapping and he doesnt deserve it imo

[tropic summit]

get out of deficit and run an high fire rate indom

[cedar sorrel]

Hmm I cant indom since my jackal and blanc arent sr15

[tropic summit]

blanc flex cindy biscuit rh (flex in p2 needs to have higher atk% than RH)

SWHA/vestiTU or similar

[cedar sorrel]

Ohh blanc p1 technology

[tropic summit]

committing to killing blanc is an option as long as you're out of deficit

so that's also open

need 345kCP+ tho

[cedar sorrel]

Yeah Im 342k even with resil9 x5

[tropic summit]

then just give up for now, you could hit them when you get to 261

[cedar sorrel]

Yeah.. if anything Ill prob make an enemy if I hit him

Last season this CMEIOWPK guy kept hitting me 5 times every day cuz we broke his def a couple times

[covert lintel]

That 21% is the feed we will give to the opponent right?

[tropic summit]

ye that team feeds 60-62 bullets at 2RL, for a total of 21% burst gen to the enemy

[arctic jewel]

The new minigame is so addicting

[cedar sorrel]

Yeah Im not even a rhythm game player and enjoying it

[tropic summit]

@hollow lagoon best run so far, i'm getting the hang of this

but i forgot to dodge on RRH the 1hit ko

[hollow lagoon]

u love it

[tropic summit]

https://klipy.com/gifs/comic-girls-pain--k01KQ5CJSGG3NZXMJ85QT35508T

[swift mango]

he deserve it for his cp

[tropic summit]

"deserve"

[cedar sorrel]

His team is bad he doesnt

[tropic summit]

i guess you could rephrase it to: "he paid for it"

[swift mango]

[swift mango]

zant team is even worse

[cedar sorrel]

I mean hes purposely trolling

[tropic summit]

zant team is pure bullism

[cedar sorrel]

This guy defo thinks hes cooking

[swift mango]

he is cooking because his Noah+biscuit is unbuilt and won't be able to gap you.

[cedar sorrel]

[hollow lagoon]

https://giphy.com/gifs/people-hd-gifsremastered-10Jpr9KSaXLchW

[tropic summit]

https://klipy.com/gifs/embarrassed-stop-it--k01KQ5CTBVBAQ7GAGKSMRSRC76N

[covert lintel]

1 minute left but still 4k
not enough time and dps

[tropic summit]

i just want 1 clear run where i get to 0s left tbf, so i can benchmark when i retry at 621

[hollow lagoon]

Nah Bru

Ur done by 8s

Shields go up ur back to hitting 1 by 8 s ish

[tropic summit]

i might lack damage on a clear run, not confident i can drop it entirely

[swift mango]

Is there anyway to bypass the 10 seconds invincible of ziz after it nuke you?

[tropic summit]

but i can get probably fairly close

[hollow lagoon]

If u make it thru ur eating dame dust as me

Of u don’t then it’s whatever

[tropic summit]

true damage still works, i was doing that with vestiTU, but you hit for little so it's not actually worth it compared to running mmast and hyperbuffing RRH

you can essentially waste that time and just get ready for your next burst cycle

[covert lintel]

Iirc ziz won't get that buff if all the balls get destroyed

[swift mango]

Nah stop suggesting me trash option, my Mast is lb1 and trash OL, bait my rocks and skill book with Midhara wasn't enough for you?

[tropic summit]

@swift mango windows were very tight, i only finished her off at the very end she still had some HP

#pvp-arena message

[tropic summit]

well my mmast was also sh*t, she has 0 dupes, i boosted her up with OLs only

crown moran rrh helmt heavily invested, mmast pretty meager

[swift mango]

your maid mast was core+4

[tropic summit]

maid anchor, not maid mast, i can show you

[swift mango]

I spent 100 rocks on crown and her cp is shit. So just stop.

[hollow lagoon]

I spent my 10 rocks on Ada and she can’t crit on Miranda because my swha too stronk

[tropic summit]

her OL are just pure padding

got 3 lines lvl 10ish on all pieces

[hollow lagoon]

My crow have empty lines

[tropic summit]

there's ppl clearing ziz with anisTT btw, re-enter with moran

[hollow lagoon]

And chargespeed stuff

[swift mango]

I just spent 20 rocks on mast and she couldn't even get half this. So stop.

[tropic summit]

[hollow lagoon]

Big haxor

[shell hazel]

actually watching that is crazy because at the end I could not survive the AOE

[tropic summit]

https://klipy.com/gifs/guy-long-hair-3--k01KQ5DWEM19PVQ59A1T6P0SPPS

[hollow lagoon]

My neon gonna have barely 2 rocks a piece of her gear

[covert lintel]

I used this team when cleared ziz
After nuke, make sure to burst with helmt asap

[shell hazel]

the aoe you eat at 15 secs or so left would one shot me

[cedar sorrel]

Can anis reenter into rh b1

[tropic summit]

tempura making its magic but also straight up CP made the difference, once i threw 100+ rocks at that lineup it went better

[hollow lagoon]

The sekret is u don’t care about that aoe

[shell hazel]

well I did care because if I died I couldn't beat it 😄

[hollow lagoon]

[tropic summit]

unlike altruia ziz and the only one were fun

[shell hazel]

the jump to 581 + tempura maybe enough I think it one shot me no matter what I ran

[tropic summit]

altruia is just SU literally trying its bestest at gating you

[covert lintel]

Altruia is fun too

[hollow lagoon]

Alturia didn’t feel that bad

I still think Mc was worse

[tropic summit]

altruia simps

[swift mango]

I know all teams, no need for suggestions I just don't have the cp or dmg. Rapipi got 10-20% dmg reduction on phone because her dmg depend on her fire rate which is 10%-20% lower on phone.

[tropic summit]

MC was fun... after i learned how to buff ein

[hollow lagoon]

What ein

[tropic summit]

get a friend to give you a gaming laptop

or go to one of those cafe with gaming PCs

[swift mango]

I have a laptop but I don't want to play nikke on it.

[tropic summit]

the asian blood in you is screaming for slacking i'm sure

[swift mango]

Nah, I tried enough and wasted enough time with your baiting, it's just principle that I play phone game on phone.

[hollow lagoon]

The fish waifu resist against the dying of the light

[tropic summit]

@hollow lagoon got one run with all units tanking 3 waves besides mmast, i might be able to min/max survive to the end

[swift mango]

wasted 12+ hours of my life for this. I tried every single comp I could of, but I had to use certain units because they had high cp. It's not negotiable.

[hollow lagoon]

Don’t look at me I ran siren fer that fight, whatever you are dealing with couldn’t be that bad

[tropic summit]

you tried and put effort, that's good enough then, i didn't know you tried so hard

rest up till you get those 20 synchro extra and you'll likely clear

[swift mango]

I wasted like 100+ rocks because of "this and that unit good for ziz" already. I could have use those for Emi or arena units.

[tropic summit]

the iframing tho

[hollow lagoon]

was harder when the projectiles were slow af

[swift mango]

so stop fing bait me

[tropic summit]

wish i had a shot at trying it, i only know fast version

[hollow lagoon]

What sync is blood again?

[tropic summit]

same as me iirc, 581-601

[hollow lagoon]

Is he further than u?

[tropic summit]

he started later than me of a bit and was ahead of me in synchro

[swift mango]

he started like a month before me.

[swift mango]

I wasn't, you just not open your box

[hollow lagoon]

Yeah but rail is evil

[tropic summit]

was it
i think you were ahead regardless

[hollow lagoon]

We all know he has 80 sync in his pocket

[tropic summit]

right... if only...

give hippo a few months and he'll be ahead

that's the true evil you should be wary of

[shell hazel]

https://tenor.com/view/hippopotamus-hippo-rolling-over-it-fail-gif-6329760115199623320

[hollow lagoon]

I don’t mind him beating me

[shell hazel]

zanta is 113 sync ahead

he could stop playing for 6 months I might almost catch him

[tropic summit]

well @hollow lagoon isn't human to begin with

[hollow lagoon]

I’m the witch king of A…..oh wait

[tropic summit]

@hollow lagoon cleared my first no deaths run, but it's not optimized (i miss x2 mmasts)

you think it's doable if i land those x2 mmasts

[tropic summit]

@upper grove turns out i can at least live, but short on damage as you thought

crown shield + 1 hit are tankable, which then leaves 3 hits on cover

[upper grove]

as expected, with mald we survive, but lacking dmg hurts so much

the noah shield afk phase tanks way too much dmg, 1 noah shield kill is ~1400 hp bars, not gonna happen without true dmg

[tropic summit]

darn

although i'm glad i got it to the end at least, i now have a benchmark of sort

[upper grove]

at least anis closes the gap by a bit to kill her

without anis, we'd need even more dmg

[unique wagon]

I knew it

[tropic summit]

excuse me, i'm neutral leaning to good

i'm a good boi

[hollow lagoon]

[keen patio]

If Blanc was in P1 and Moran was in another position, would Moran be able to taunt Siren's stun, provided that Moran bursts before Siren expends 50 ammo?

[shell hazel]

I do believe so yes

needs 2RL b1 on moran though

[keen patio]

Is there a certain number of frames before Siren switches targets to Moran
Or is it pretty much instant

[shell hazel]

I don't know exactly, I just read here that she did

@tropic summit you know the exact answer on this one sir?

[spiral onyx]

Moran taunt

[keen patio]

Greetings @umbral belfry

[umbral belfry]

sorry about what happened this ca you'll get em next time

[tropic summit]

if it's a 2RL moran, moran B1 happens before siren lands her stun, so it would indeed redirect it to moran

[tropic summit]

moran noah flex flex flex (2RL)
siren in p1 or p2, siren stuns noah (noah overrides taunt)

flex flex flex flex moran (2RL)
siren in any p, will stun moran because she's pulled from p5 at 2RL B1 against her timing for stun which is around 2RL B2

[keen patio]

Thanks for all the answers!