pvp-arena

[humble tiger]

This is the type of shit I work with.

[hollow hazel]

That would be very appreciated

[humble tiger]

BTW I'm fending off 3 attackers.

[hollow hazel]

Bro is literally Kira from death note

[humble tiger]

I have to change my def teams every day to throw them off and make them waste an extra attempt.

[tropic summit]

one last info, you've siren available?

[hollow hazel]

Nope and noahless

[humble tiger]

Worst case scenario, I spend 100 gems to keep myself afloat.

[hollow hazel]

Still SIRENLESS!

[tropic summit]

hmmm ok

[hollow hazel]

My gosh everyday

[humble tiger]

It's not as bad as mine surely.

[humble tiger]

Everyday.

[hollow hazel]

Nightmare

[humble tiger]

This was yesterday's. I literally just switched Grave to someone else.

That went from 3 RL to 2.5 RL, which threw off my attacker.

Then after he attacked, I swapped the units again, so in his second attack, he still lost.

[hollow hazel]

https://tenor.com/view/brain-brain-meme-big-brain-big-brain-meme-big-brain-time-gif-2441110471562975014

[humble tiger]

Next reshuffle though, I'll be planning on taking it easy.

[hollow hazel]

When is it again?

Is this last?

[humble tiger]

End of this season. 7 days.

[hollow hazel]

Owwwww

[tropic summit]

@hollow hazel so with the info you told me, could run a kill-the-blanc team for T2 and a fast nuke in T3, is scarlet available?

[hollow hazel]

The electric scarlet? Nope

[humble tiger]

It's so hard to run an actual defense team in Rookie.

Cuz if they're unbuilt, everyone will just gap you.

[tropic summit]

[humble tiger]

And then there's this guy.

[hollow hazel]

Sorry bro

[tropic summit]

post your box because you're lacking in a lot of tools, gonna need to do some real sudoku teams @hollow hazel

blabla link set to public or first 4 lines is enough

[hollow hazel]

Okay

[humble tiger]

I don't care if this team is actually countering poorly built teams.

It's only 260K CP and the attackers can have an average of 350K CP. Cooked.

Just gap it with 0 RL teams.

C7 Label...

[hollow hazel]

Oh wow

@tropic summit sorry i forgot how to share it through blabla, friend taught me once tho

[tropic summit]

this is fine too

[humble tiger]

Oh hey. Nearly same sync.

Are we in the same bracket?

[hollow hazel]

Nopee

Maybe next season!

Or maybe better if not

My Moran keeps avoiding kit upgrade bruhh

[humble tiger]

What's your server number? Is it around 23500?

Are you SEA?

[hollow hazel]

How do i check? Yeah sea

[humble tiger]

If it's around this number, we may meet next reshuffle. Please go easy on me. Your box is better than mine.

[hollow hazel]

22544

[humble tiger]

Oh. We're not gonna meet.

[hollow hazel]

Noooooooo

[humble tiger]

That low though. Did you stop playing by any chance?

What's your current rank?

[hollow hazel]

Kinda wished I could find a gentlemen agreement in pvp arena but so far found no one lol

[hollow hazel]

Nope, i downloaded the game but opened it 2 weeks after, got hooked, literally took my time on the story because I enjoyed it

I'm challenger 6

BUT my challenger 4 and 7 keeps switching until they both average slightly above me so I'm 7 last season

[humble tiger]

We're only a few thousand subservers apart. We might be able to meet if lucky enough.

Or probably not. Everyone here has Server Number 23000+

[hollow hazel]

Lmao

[humble tiger]

Dang. Did you start earlier before me? Check your blabla.

I started at like, 2nd week of November.

[hollow hazel]

Yup october 6

I took my sweet time on the story

[humble tiger]

Oh. We're never meeting. I'm surprised you're at the same sync as me. You should be at 300s now.

What are the top players's sync?

[tropic summit]

@hollow hazel as long as you're not in deficit with this, this should do

[humble tiger]

Can slow Cindy destroy this?

[tropic summit]

if it doesn't work we can swap vestiTU with liberalio, it will cause a midhara main B3 indom duel instead, since i lack info and tools this is what i'd go first with

make sure you record, with more info available we can reduce the variables then

[humble tiger]

T1 and T2 is just impossible cuz gap.

[tropic summit]

does RH or SWHA have highest atk%?

if you can bait helmT nuke on an attacker besides RH, you can run slow cindy

[humble tiger]

No. HelmT has too much.

[tropic summit]

that's even better

run:

blanc helmt biscuit cindy rh

[humble tiger]

Blanc...

But sure. I'll keep that as reference.

[tropic summit]

god you still didn't get her

[humble tiger]

Once I actually get her

[humble tiger]

No. It was Biscuit. Kinda wish it's Blanc though. Feel like I'll get more use our of her

[tropic summit]

run this:

• nayuta helmt cindy swha rh

if helmT assumed highest atk%

• nayuta swha cindy helmT rh

if SWHA assumed highest atk%

[humble tiger]

So cursed.

I got Delta Ninja instead.

[swift mango]

Actually biscuit give you more, now you could build Moran+Bay+Bsicuit

[humble tiger]

No Moran lmao.

[swift mango]

in shop

[humble tiger]

I'm actually thinking of gold mileaging her and just using gems for the anni units.

[swift mango]

nah, pull in Anni. Then use the points to do mold pulls first.

[humble tiger]

I have 142K gems. F it. Just gold mileage all 3 units for 600 mileage.

[swift mango]

silver

[humble tiger]

Talking about gold mileaging Moran, and the 2 anni units.

That's gonna take 135K gems + the 150 gold mileage I currently have.

[swift mango]

Nah, it's worth it to do 180+20 pulls on each anni banner.

or stop if your got then early and don't want dupe.

[humble tiger]

I'm preparing myself for worst case scenario just in case I don't get everything I want.

600 mileage. That's literally what I'm saving for all this time for 3.5.

[hollow hazel]

272-274

[humble tiger]

Wow. Really? Well, you are 1 month ahead of me... and usually that's 15 levels a month. Yeah that makes sense.

[humble tiger]

They're not whaling enough. I have someone here at 280+ while everyone else is 260+.

[swift mango]

You can catch or keep the distance. Just gem claim 1-2 a day and reroll dispatch if 4-5 slots of item (not doll mats) are not boxes or gem. Grind campaign harder.

[swift mango]

he might just mald campaign harder than other.

[hollow hazel]

Campaign wise I'm second fastest in my group, but yeah I took my sweet sweet time through campaign.. absolute cinema tho

[humble tiger]

Nah. He literal whale.

[tropic summit]

@swift mango are you still in CP range to attack your whel?

[humble tiger]

He's Chapter 40 already wtf?!

[swift mango]

20 level difference doesn't say much. He could spend to have units dupes but may not be apending on boxes

[swift mango]

yeah, he maldharder

[swift mango]

yes, they slacked off

[humble tiger]

Wow. I wish I'm in a slacker's bracket.

[noble python]

Me too bro

[swift mango]

There was times when both of them got outa my range. But not now. Well, this reshuffle I didn't meet either of those 2 boxes buying whale anyway. It was last reshuffle.

[humble tiger]

Super maldy. 280 sync at Chapter 40. Damn. What are his Nikke's stats?

[noble python]

Almost every Challenger in my SPA bracket has Sync 400+ units 💀

[swift mango]

They slacked after 2.5 years of non challenged.
And they still are because only I hit them, so they still top 3.

[hollow hazel]

I am at 40 too...

Wait isn't level 270-280 is normally around chp 40?

[noble python]

While I’m over here slowly building my way to Sync 350

[humble tiger]

Yeah. Your units are probably well built. Mine aren't.

[humble tiger]

How many CP does each of your campaign units have?

[noble python]

I’m at Chapter 38 rn but I been slacking hard tho so I can’t complain about being behind XD

Hell I’m still in the ez levels of Hard Mode

[humble tiger]

Maybe I am big slacker.

[swift mango]

🧱

[noble python]

Indeed doing it brick by brick

[hollow hazel]

65-80k totaling 386k

[swift mango]

No elec.

[humble tiger]

Snek.

[hollow hazel]

VestiTU carries!

[noble python]

Burst 1 RRH crazy

[humble tiger]

Ah. Makes sense why.

[humble tiger]

No MoranT. Not even regular Moran.

[hollow hazel]

Normal for sirenless people like us

[noble python]

Siren?

[humble tiger]

Nah.

[hollow hazel]

I feel you bro

[torn cliff]

hi everyone is there somehwere where i can find a list of the strongest nikke comps for arena that i can autopilot?

[noble python]

Unfortunately I don’t feel either of you XD

[swift mango]

Now plan for you at the start of anni pull full 180+20 pulls then pull mold then mileage and get2 moran dupe for silver and max her.

[noble python]

There is no strongest comps you can autopilot my g it all depends on what you have and your investment into the units

[charred quail]

How to beat?

[swift mango]

yeah my bad on that.

[noble python]

You got Rosanna?

[charred quail]

yes but no overloads kek

[noble python]

Well Rosanna would be really good here…

[charred quail]

bikini rosanna?

[torn cliff]

ahh i see. should i just try to go on nikke gg or prwyden and slap together and upgrade the SSS units?

[noble python]

Reg Rosanna

[swift mango]

You need either moran or anchor or both for good measured against this.

clear hard campaign meanwhile

[noble python]

No Regular one

[humble tiger]

Ugh. MAnchor still not fully built

[noble python]

You could try that yeah but you also gotta know how the units work with each other

[charred quail]

no overloads is fine or not fine?

[noble python]

You really want overloads for her

[tropic summit]

they'll come back with another extra 20+ synchro

[charred quail]

i see

ill overlaod her tomorrow then

no rocks

[placid bloom]

this should win.

[tropic summit]

noah biscuit helmt siren swha, need 947k+CP

[noble python]

Will need 40% attack in OL’s to make her good along with SR 15 doll

[charred quail]

. i dont think im doing that. im more on the pve side

oh well

[humble tiger]

It's winnable. Just need to pass QTE

[noble python]

Could also try this main problem is Siren will be stunning SWHA

[tropic summit]

that's exactly what he wants

it would be offburst swha

[charred quail]

that chart shows if a team wins or not?

[tropic summit]

you can kite offburst swha

[placid bloom]

no it shows burst timing, but you will win due to team comp

[noble python]

Ah I see so I’m thinking too hard XD

[charred quail]

i see. how were you able to tell base don the team comp? im still having issues figuring that out

[swift mango]

my governor boxes could be used for core if I needed to. No opening them anymore now.

[tropic summit]

main indom B3 in p1 is most of the times countered by siren stall

[noble python]

I was thinking about stopping Jack plus Blanc

Which is why I recommended Rosanna

Bc if Blanc and Jackal cannot buff team falls apart

[placid bloom]

you check for interactions. Their team bursts first but they will be indom SWHA, which cannot wipe you immediately. You will burst Cinderella before she can shoot, which kills everyone except her. Then your slower SWHA kills his SHWA because his indom runs out first.

[tropic summit]

rosanna actually invested is hard to find in most ppl boxes, siren will be in everyone's boxes most of the time

[noble python]

Fair

[tropic summit]

try to always suggest the most cheap/available solution first

that way you not gonna have to hope they've a more niche unit invested

[charred quail]

cubes on the team? vigor blanc, idk what on cindy, tempering swha, vigor biscuit, quantum jackal

[placid bloom]

doesn't matter what cubes you use, it won't make much diff

[charred quail]

k

[placid bloom]

you can use highest CP cube and it will be the same

[charred quail]

@placid bloom

[charred quail]

👍

[placid bloom]

it's not cube dependent matchup\

it's just your comp vs their comp

[swift mango]

I was slacking off recently with gem claim, someday I only did 40 gem claim. It's kinda bad. Wasted 20 pull on arcana banner was more than those 70 gems I saved anyway.

[tropic summit]

now your bracket will catch up and nibble at your ankles

[charred quail]

yes. how do i figure out if a comp beats another comp? any help appreciated. trying to get better at pvp

[humble tiger]

Urgh... super close.

Maybe if I held SWHA burst instead of Priv.

[placid bloom]

mainly just look at their kit

[placid bloom]

Blanc wants to win long trades, SWHA cannot wipe immediately therefore you can abuse slower team easier

[charred quail]

that's al ot of terms i dont know. how to indom in pvp? what is slower indom etc xd

[placid bloom]

if they had Helm B3 then it'd be different

[tropic summit]

an example is easier to explain than in words i guess

video attached, details:

SBS and HelmT highest 2 atk% in the team, which result in jackal linked units
SBS lower HP than jackal and helmT, which ensures she gets picked for indom
team results into a 2RL indom SBS

[charred quail]

Ty

[swift mango]

It's not close, you couldn't tank the 2nd puke and lose. It's the normal thing.

[placid bloom]

there's basically only 3 defensive tool in PvP

[swift mango]

Biscuits, Moran, Soline, Bay, Blanc, Noah, Noise, Jackal.

[placid bloom]

indomitable - affected unit survives with 1 HP for buff duration (Blanc, Nayuta)
invincible - affected unit takes 0 damage, still affected by debuffs (Noah, Biscuit)
high damage reduction - self explanatory (Moran, Nero, Bay)

[charred quail]

who is doing the indom?

[placid bloom]

you can understand how to beat teams if you understand how these work

[noble python]

Blanc burst

[charred quail]

any heals gives indom?

[tropic summit]

blanc is the B2 that gives indom buff to lowest HP in the team on cast

[charred quail]

oh

[swift mango]

Soline, infinity heal.
Jackal, link.

[placid bloom]

Noise is not a real win condition by herself, she is only a win condition if you pair with second defensive tool

[charred quail]

let me go read what blanc does again

[placid bloom]

if you only have Noise and no other defensive tool you lose

that's why those 3 are the main type

[swift mango]

Bay just block 1 attack,

[charred quail]

oh. literally says indom. any other units that give indom?

[noble python]

I would have more Dolls leveled if Trina’s stupid ass doll would pop the super level up

[placid bloom]

Soline is also not win condition by herself

Soline by herself means you lose too

healer in general are nice to add on to already strong defensive team

[swift mango]

She help you get to burst. That's her purpose.

[placid bloom]

but they are not the win condition

Noah is a win condition, you are blocking all of your opponent's damage

[swift mango]

Neither Noah or biscuit is win condition. Win condition is always to kill the opponent or stall them out with more HP.

[placid bloom]

I mean if you take a 2RL nuke team and all you do is have Soline with no other defensive tool what is your win rate on blind defense

[tropic summit]

nayuta self indoms upon entering battle for 9s, there's also chisato i guess, but no other unit can give an indom buff, at least atm

[placid bloom]

Noah is win condition because every team does damage unless you intentionally build your team to not do damage

you cannot have a team that gets to full burst and does no damage unless you are throwing

[swift mango]

can't shorten conditions because of this.

[charred quail]

oh ok

[tropic summit]

ye we live in funny times

[placid bloom]

like if we put Noah in a team with no B3 ofc you gonna lose

no real team is like that though

[swift mango]

nah, Half of the team in CA ignore Noah shield.
She just doesn't do anything to them.

[placid bloom]

half win rate is still better than 0 win rate, if you put 5 SG with Soline as only defensive tool what is your win rate?

[tropic summit]

midhara noah moran biscuit rapunzel may win even without B3 against glass cannon (assuming midhara dies and does not cast anyhow)

[placid bloom]

if you put 2RL Noise Cinderella with no defensive B2 what is your win rate

[swift mango]

not if the said glass cannon wipe you because it slow

[placid bloom]

Noise is not a defensive tool, she adds on if you already have defensive tool

[tropic summit]

regardless on a broad sense, realistic defensive tools:

noise, moran, soline, jackal, biscuit, bay, anchorIM, noah

these can all help you survive pre and after burst

[swift mango]

Pretty high if you are whale with high research.

[tropic summit]

anything in fact that can prevent a wipe should be counted as defensive tool (for the entire team)

[noble python]

Maid Anchor is real?

[tropic summit]

ofc, HP stacking is a thing to counter nukers

[swift mango]

where's blanc

[noble python]

Is she good tho?

[tropic summit]

say you've noise + anchorIM, watch liberalio unable to wipe unless buffed

[tropic summit]

she aint a defensive tool, your whole team dies and only indom remains

[swift mango]

that's defensive

[tropic summit]

hard to call it "defensive" if she defends nothing

[noble python]

So she’s good but Niche

[tropic summit]

no it's called situational

[swift mango]

defense one unit and your win.

[tropic summit]

you're just pushing it now

[noble python]

Is that right?

[tropic summit]

not niche, she can be used in a lot of team comps

even better that she's pve because it means she's accessible

[swift mango]

https://tenor.com/view/doro-doro-nikke-dorothy-nikke-goddess-of-victory-creature-gif-5312277485379823647

[noble python]

Ah but she’s like Rosanna then surely requires good investment yeah?

[tropic summit]

nope she's a support unit, doesn't even need much invest

[noble python]

So you’re telling me I don’t even need to OL her?

[tropic summit]

you always OL all pvp units

you need the CP

[noble python]

Then what makes her not need a lot of investment

Cause OL is the biggest investment

[tropic summit]

she does not need specific OL lines and can be run R15 or SR5

4OL is baseline for every pvp unit

[noble python]

Ah I see

So basically cheap doll

[tropic summit]

if you gotta start fishing for specific OLs, that's when the unit gets expensive

[charred quail]

do i use these 2 images when making a team?

[swift mango]

OL reroll >= max skill 10 all >= Doll sr15 > max skill 1-2 skills >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Just OL

[tropic summit]

ye correct, the first is the baseline to design an attack team, the second is the type of teams you'll mostly encounter

[charred quail]

do i apply all 4 or it's in order?

[tropic summit]

it's in order

if you can gap, you just straight to that, because it's directly trivializing the match

if you can't gap, you start with outspeeding, which is again very simple

if you can't outspeed, you start with anti nuke and indom archetypes, which most teams can't counter on all 3 teams

[noble python]

So you’re telling me if I OL my MAnchor I could start using her in PvP rn?

[charred quail]

for number 3 and 4, how do i tell if those conditions are met or not met?

[tropic summit]

i dunno what you expecting from m:anchor, she's still less effective than usual bay, blanc, noah

[placid bloom]

you need to learn the common chars

you have to be able to tell who is doing single target damage and who is doing AoE, etc.

[charred quail]

👍

[noble python]

Ah I see so she’s just a cheap alternative

[placid bloom]

like most SRs are single target

but ofc SWHA is not

so having Biscuit won't block her

[tropic summit]

each unit has its purpose, m:anchor can open up different variants

[placid bloom]

that's stuff you just need to learn

[swift mango]

https://tenor.com/view/nikke-goddess-of-victory-nihilister-gif-11247020398048901242

[placid bloom]

most of the meta chars are AoE nowadays

so Biscuit walling is rare

it's mainly only if they have Helm B3 or if they are doing some weird shit

like SG in SPA for some reason

otherwise you are just expecting Biscuit to help your tank survive slightly longer but not forever like in single target case

now if she is paired with multiple other defensive tool like Moran Noah then it's different

or Bay

[tropic summit]

say you've an enemy glass cannon, a stall without biscuit and an indom

at that point, you've several choices:

glass cannon: weak to most things, easy, deal with it for last
stall without biscuit: weak to indom carry... fairly straightforward
indom: this one is "expensive" because opponent is running jackal vestiTU xmaiden blanc ada, so you need to account for more variables and a more specific solution

what you'll do then:

1. can i gap them? no, they're on similar synchro
2. can you outspeed them? no, they're all 2RL meta teams
3. can you indom + noah-biscuit archetype? Yes, one is a glass cannon, weak to both and one is a stall weak to indom, check.

You run option 3

[swift mango]

Like got killed by unbuffed Cindy because everyone have her 4 ele.

[tropic summit]

situational, your statement contributes to nothing

i could run SWHA and get f*ed by rosanna, does that make her bad? no

[swift mango]

That's the variant.

[placid bloom]

well you see some char get run in SPA over others for a reason, when there is only 15 slot to fill the worse chars don't make the cut

[tropic summit]

exactly, although in some cases some people won't have all those "best 15", that's where less meta units can come to the rescue

[swift mango]

You don't even see Manchor 99% the time in CA.

She had her time before big hitter like Vesti (libby, SW) join the game

[placid bloom]

look how much we progress from SAnis days

when hitting 3 unit at once was already considered good

now if you don't hit 5 unit you are shit

[tropic summit]

you realize people who get in CA is like 1% of the community? that 1% will likely be running only the most meta comps

[placid bloom]

[swift mango]

Ada and Helm is kinda still meta main b3.

see more often than manchor

[tropic summit]

it's funny because it's mostly unintended, they release units for pve then they happen to be good for pvp

[placid bloom]

Helm being the one to finish fight is rare, it's usually Nayuta who also hit 5

except in stall case where the win condition is not high damage anymore

[swift mango]

Nero stall still get to champ every season. Mostly by high research whale.

[swift mango]

Nah, Vesti and SW was obviously made with Arena in mind. To replace Emi to be exacted. They both took part of Emi usage into their kits.

[placid bloom]

well SWHA is for sure intentional

[tropic summit]

they don't care about arena, but you're free to believe that

they wouldn't release those treasure kits like centi and poli if they cared about arena

it's just a coincidence they happened to be good, because they're broken to begin with

[placid bloom]

nah someone definitely care enough to release Label, that char is so ass for PvE. Even the B1 buff scenario for SR don't really happen

[swift mango]

Bro, Vesti has the enlarge range on burst just like Emi. And SW burst gen could be shit, but they made it almost equal to Emi with 25% CS, and her burst can just be instantly or not exactly bypass Noah just like Emi.

[tropic summit]

label was a slap in the face to all the scarlet users, rather than address arena it was meant to address newbies

[placid bloom]

they had enough of Scar

[swift mango]

SW is even water.

They clearly made SW to be Emi 2.0 because Emi is limited.

[tropic summit]

you really believe they did that intentionally? noway

[swift mango]

and people complain. Yes

[tropic summit]

not even emilia was intentional

[swift mango]

[swift mango]

Emi may not be intentional but SW to replace a meta limited unit is

[tropic summit]

the way i see it happened:

dev 1: oops, people are using emilia and it's downright broken in pvp
ceo: pvp? oh right we had that, w/e

[swift mango]

They failed on Vesti attempt so they had to make SW

[tropic summit]

eventually i believe you'll remove your tin cap and realize arena is just a consequence and not their target

[crystal flicker]

VesT is horrible for battery

[swift mango]

Nah, they made Label. They may not be paying attention on Arena much before CA but at least they got hold on the Meta now even if they don't care about lesser meta units.

[tropic summit]

CA has no meta, it's just RNG win matrixes blood

[crystal flicker]

I hate Label smh

[charred quail]

ima save this. thx man

[tropic summit]

you could run meta teams and lose, that tells you all you need to know

[swift mango]

They know Prydwen and tier maker exist.

[charred quail]

Railtracer is the goat right guys?

[tropic summit]

and what they done with it? made a game mode that just runs on pure RNG
why? it's inexpensive and easy to maintain, just let people throw random teams in it and roll with it

[placid bloom]

the damage creep is intentional too, heavy invest Moran Nero was actually near unkillable early on. But even then I think they underestimate Vesti damage and made it too high

[swift mango]

And it's about the meta units, which they sold, not about meta teams.

[tropic summit]

those meta units sold because they're good for pve, not for pvp

pvp has always been a consequence

they don't give a f, the sooner you realize the better

[swift mango]

Meta teams are up to the player.
Meta units are up to them.
No they sold it for Arena as well, they aren't stupid like you and don't want to make money from CA whales like Keripo.

[tropic summit]

a consequence of them releasing true damage for RAIDs

[charred quail]

Besides moran, who else has stall?

[tropic summit]

which then happened to also deny def% stacking teams in pvp

[placid bloom]

nah Vesti was peepee even in Ziz SR

[crystal flicker]

It's the other way around, her dmg is too small against high invested unit, they have to build absolute just for her

[tropic summit]

some low clears still have vesti tho, but i agree, rather dissapointing perfomance overall

[placid bloom]

she was only there for fire QTE for Cinderella, who does more damage than her

the HM low clears are something else yeah

[swift mango]

Vesti and Absolute team is shining example of how an units make Arene whale bleed. CS, Crit, ATK, Ele on vesti all needs higher tier.
And you even have a meta teams with 3 of them

[tropic summit]

Moran stalls:

• moran noah biscuit
• moran bay biscuit
• moran anchorIM biscuit trina
• moran jackal bay
• moran noah jackal

Noise stalls:

• noise bay biscuit
• noise noah biscuit
• noise m.anchor
• noise jackal bay
• noise noah jackal

Nero stalls:

• nero moran biscuit
• nero moran jackal
• nero moran

[charred quail]

[crystal flicker]

Nero with 100% dmg red

[charred quail]

do you have all of this copy pasted somewhere? seems like the same questions get asked haha

[placid bloom]

there's only so many variant that are actually used, it's not too hard to make a list

[severe tundra]

I'm struggling with this noah noise biscuit stall.

[tropic summit]

noah noise biscuit helmt swha

[charred quail]

👍

[placid bloom]

in most cases the main change is which B3 they decide to pair with the defensive tool

[tropic summit]

Keripo is working on a video that will comprehensively cover this information. Once he actually releases it, perhaps we will

[austere marsh]

Hello PvP'ers

[placid bloom]

so you adjust your defensive tool to beat their B3, and your B3 to beat their defensive tool

[severe tundra]

This?

[tropic summit]

ye looks good, should out trade after both shields are down

[swift mango]

Nah, they sold more because of both.
People build Besti mainly for Arena, not for shit campaign they already cleared.

SW and Moran their effort to replace Emi and not putting too much a stress for PvE player and even PvP player in PvE contend. but not Vesti. She is only for newbie Pve players and mainly for Arena for the big whale that matter.

[austere marsh]

I have unlocked this nice lady, how much utility does she offer? Worthy of Champion Arena?

[severe tundra]

I saw someone posted a build where they intentionally sac mihara early to poison the other team basically

[placid bloom]

she is good but I think you better wait and see how Anis is before you invest, Anis could be better

we are too close to anni to be impatient

[austere marsh]

Understood, got 90k gems at the ready

[crystal flicker]

She has her own comp
Blanc Mihara Biscuit Cindy Rumani

[tropic summit]

you can run slow midhara comps

(1)
#pvp-arena message

(2)
#pvp-arena message

[tropic summit]

vestiTU trivializes several stages and volleyballs, honestly good for campaign pushing

you speaking again for whales or people who don't need to mald

[severe tundra]

We did not trade lol

[tropic summit]

as for SW and moran, those were for pve, they just happened to be good for pvp due to their kits
moranT is in fact pve oriented

[swift mango]

Anyway, They put Arena in lesser importance doesnt mean they didn't try to make money from it and tipped the meta to what they referred.

[tropic summit]

did you reach B1 and B2 alive?

[severe tundra]

yes

[placid bloom]

well sometimes they fail, like with Sora

[tropic summit]

run this next then

noah biscuit helmt siren swha

[swift mango]

The kits for SW is obvious immitated what Emi at 2.5% CS does. Down to the milimeter and give more dmg. They even locked her CS to not be much better burst gen than that.
Moran is because main PvE guys doesn't build her and can't compete in CA. But now they can.

[placid bloom]

you think they will ever give us another clip B1

[tropic summit]

probably will, might take a while tho

[placid bloom]

could've been Sora

but nope

[tropic summit]

they don't make money out of arena, they make money out of banners
ppl roll for units that are good for SR, if they happen to be good for pvp they'll make the choice if they want to or not... and as you should know, pvpers are a minority

[swift mango]

That's why they care about units that's meta in arena. Not much for arena itself..

[tropic summit]

dunno what you're smoking that convinced you of that, they definitely did not think of emilia when they made sw
if you believe it does, you just convincing yourself of that

[swift mango]

people roll for Arena units as well believe it or not. Vesti isn't for PvE for half of the guys I know and they built her as PvE main.

Same to scarlet

but no one roll for her because no banner so just build

[tropic summit]

arena isn't the majority of the community blood

they don't make units for the minority

pvp happens as a consequence, not as main target

[severe tundra]

[charred quail]

[swift mango]

but it's a money source nevertheless and they make money from anywhere they could count.

That's how the rich got rich. They don't discriminate where the money come from.

[tropic summit]

ye but they make money out of it indirectly, if a unit happens to be good for both, it's a coincidence

[swift mango]

[marble saddle]

@tropic summit i think bro heard you from last season

[tropic summit]

he's reading this chat surely

[severe tundra]

Thanks Railtracer

[swift mango]

it's not. Keep coping Rail2

[tropic summit]

worked this time?

[severe tundra]

ya

[charred quail]

yoo. it's the rank 6 guy in my spa group

[tropic summit]

aight i guess the other team is situational on invest, glad to know 2nd run worked

[charred quail]

[severe tundra]

Rank 3 now

[charred quail]

[swift mango]

Units need to be good for both so they sell better. If only good for one content even if PvE they sell worse.

[tropic summit]

nah it's you coping blood, i know you like pvp and want SU and the community to care for pvp, but this is a secondary mode and definitely not a priority to SU, let alone making units for pvp specifically... they just don't

[tropic summit]

number 1: good for SR
number 2: good for campaign/towers/UR
number 3: good for situational stages
number 4: MAYBE pvp

[swift mango]

I don't want SU and the community to care for it. They less they care the more champ I have but it is what it is.

[tropic summit]

[severe tundra]

Oh wait you mean SP arena. Nope, I'm still 6 on that. You're right

[swift mango]

Every single Pilgrim since Siren have been meta in Arena.

[tropic summit]

because they're downright broken to begin with for pve

ofc they'd be broken for pvp as consequence

[swift mango]

Midhara is mid

[tropic summit]

tell that to all the people losing to her slow cindy variant in CA and SP arena

[swift mango]

They know what they are doing

[charred quail]

.

The carmine guy is nuts. i took his c7 from him and then he started gemming rookie arenas hits on me

[tropic summit]

also most low clears on ziz have midhara... and latest fire weak SR had midhara...

[severe tundra]

-# why would anyone gem rookie...

[charred quail]

fr

[tropic summit]

https://klipy.com/gifs/yamada-kun-to-lv999-no-koi-wo-suru-my-love-story-with-yamada-kun-at-lv999

because they got nothing better to do

[swift mango]

Last winter we have better upfire than midhara for ziz. And they don't care that much about campaign meta. Just us pleb care

[tropic summit]

yes campaign isn't their priority, it's SR

[swift mango]

and then CA

[tropic summit]

"wanna score high this SR? boom slap a unit that is a must for this SR"

[severe tundra]

He just trades with me for 6th now. I just gotta hold it for longer than him lol

[tropic summit]

bro, CA is like 1% of the community, you don't sell a unit to 1%

wake up and remove your tin hat

[swift mango]

1% of the community but 40-50% of the whale.

[tropic summit]

not even

a lot of whales don't give a damn about pvp, they don't need the gems to begin with

they want the hot skins and good units for SR

[swift mango]

but they care about CA frame

[tropic summit]

haha, yeah right

easy on the drugs blood

[swift mango]

There are many whale who just do SR for 3rd frame and it's required almost no investment from them.
That extra resource they used after done with 5 team for UR if they had an union came to Arena.

Even if they are casual about it, they still need investment. SR they already got frame 3 easily and Union raid they already got 5 teams.

Unlike you think apmany whale are casual in Pve

And doesn't care to buy rock until CA because now they don't have enough rock to casual in both

[tropic summit]

it's statistics blood

1. 100% of the community has access to campaign, towers, SR, UR
2. 100% of the community has access to SP arena
3. 1% of the community has access to CA

now, let's consider the actual interest in the modes:

1. pretty much the entire community, especially campaign, they'll want to roll those juicy hard carry pve units
2. this is an optional mode, a lot of people are fine sitting on dia1 if not lower, some aim for lower challenger ranks and are content, just a few mald for top ranks
3. it's 1% or lower... and it's of people who made it to top 4 ranks, meaning they're likely pvp mains to begin with

you can't tell me they make money out of pvp when it's so limited compared to the pve options

[swift mango]

100% of the whale that matter has access to CA. Plebs doesn't matter in statistic.

[tropic summit]

they can access CA and then run pve teams because they don't give a damn... or will end up with copy pasta with bad invest

[swift mango]

it's definitely not limited to whale

[tropic summit]

dunno what you smoking, reality is different from what you perceiving, they're NOT selling units for pvp

[swift mango]

yes, the same for SR. They can give zero f or they do, the one that do spend

[tropic summit]

do you really think whales will prefer butting heads on a game mode that doesn't guarantee they win in the first place over a game mode where their invest, cores and rocks matter much more to ensure stable high ranks?

be realistic

[swift mango]

Idk what got into you to keep trying making excuse like SU doesn't want to make money and CA didn't make them more money.
Maybe you hate how unfair Arena are but to the, it's just business.
Stop being hard head about it.

[tropic summit]

it's not being hard head, it's simple

they. do. not. invest. in. arena

if they did, it would look much more different, you know it because you saw how they milk in other games to get people invest in pvp

they'd have unique rewards that actually matter, e.g. giving rocks or limited resources to top rankers

then you'd start seeing people seriously opt for pvp oriented units in banners

right now, and just like the past years, pvp is optional

those extra 300 gems aren't motivating most people to check regularly every few hours if they get hit or not

which means they are also not motivated in rolling for pvp units

[swift mango]

Invest into arena or not doesnt matter. Just write a few code line to make an unit good for Arena so that they selled more.

Making Label to diss old meta like Scarlet.

It's all in their head to make money.

[tropic summit]

what does that mean? pvp only oriented units = bad business

[swift mango]

But PvP+PvE meta unit sell like hot cake.

[tropic summit]

it's not like releasing label suddenly made them a truck ton of money tho... you don't even dupes of her, which is again bad for business

wouldn't make sense for them to release a unit you don't even need dupes for if they actually wanted money

[swift mango]

They care enough for Arena to make label so they could switch the meta out of a scarlet.

[tropic summit]

pvp is just a consequence blood, look at how many ppl skipped trina for example

[swift mango]

Like I said, they make Pilgrim units to be good in everything to ensure their revenue target.

[tropic summit]

the pilgrim units are good in pvp because they're broken in pve... ofc they're broken in pvp

[swift mango]

They don't make Pilgrim bad in Arena no more, they learnt how to make mor emoney.

[swift mango]

Rapi

Doro

winter limited

[tropic summit]

yes, you picked the perfect example to confirm that they don't give a damn about pvp

assuming your theory, RRH should've been broken for pvp too because they wanted those extra money

[swift mango]

They had enough experiment of revenue to change how they make units.

Most new meta units either bypass Noah or just very high dmg or very high burst gen. It shown they don't care about arena that much but they know Bypass Noah+Burst gen + DMg= meta

They don't give a shit beyond that but they gave enough shit for that

[tropic summit]

it's convinience, not for pvp but for pve purpose
they don't want people to smash their mouse to spam sniper units or RL units, because it makes their game look dumb

[swift mango]

That's why I hate how SU handled Arena but they care. The "convenience", they is no repeat coincidence in Gacha business, they first one maybe coincidence but the next one of they same kind is because they wanted to make more money of the same way they did before.

Pilgrim = good in Pve doesnt cut it anymore, they needed to be good in everything

[tropic summit]

no it's really simpler than that, they saw people complaining having to spam RL and SR units, so they gave them units that can burst gen on auto, without interacting with the game

They love those kind of players, because they're dumb and won't mald, they just want to spend money and have a strong unit

it's really obvious blood, their choices are just to please the community and milk them

give them easy tools and make them feel "powerful", they'll easily spend money

[tropic summit]

they just happen to be good in pvp, because they're broken in pve to begin with

[swift mango]

And I tell you whale that invested in Arena make up 30% of the competitive whale.

[tropic summit]

give a unit good burst gen in pve, ofc it will have good burst gen in pvp

[swift mango]

[tropic summit]

they won't sell units for just that 30% blood, they sell units for the whole community, highest profit

why would you release a unit that is benefitting only 1%, even if it's that 30% of the whels you say

[swift mango]

They sell units for those 30% as well, they don't want to ignore them
They aren't idiokt

A cent is a cent

[tropic summit]

they're focusing on the bigger picture, there's no interest in CA meta blood

CA was a game mode they just wanted to get out of the way, because it was promised

[swift mango]

There is no bigger picture there is only how to milk money from everyone that's willing to pay.

[tropic summit]

they picked the cheapest way to deal with it:

• auto mode
• no unique rewards, minus frames which is just flex
• no maintenance needed

[hollow lagoon]

[tropic summit]

hell they don't even make CA seasons like with banned units or unique conditions

[swift mango]

But they wanted to make money from it just as well.

[tropic summit]

goes to show how they really couldn't give a f less

[tropic summit]

ye and the best way for that it's multiple running banners with limited units that carry their ass to top ranks in SR

[hollow lagoon]

U can hit it

[tropic summit]

again, they don't give a f about a mode that is accessible by 1%

[swift mango]

They give a f to their units sale, not the game mode itself.

[swift mango]

And CA as well

[tropic summit]

alrighty, keep dreamin'

[swift mango]

it's you need to stop being an idiot. They won't make Moran Meta in PvE if they didn't care about duo usage in an unit.

[tropic summit]

you're delusional blood, you convincing yourself they care about something they clearly don't

[swift mango]

They care about money

[tropic summit]

and CA doesn't make them as much money as all other modes combined do

[swift mango]

And if they don't care about Arena they won't make CA at all.

[tropic summit]

they were forced to, it was literally sitting there for 2+ years

[swift mango]

But it's extra income.

[tropic summit]

and they picked the most half-assed method they could, an AFK arena

if that tells you they cared, i've bad news

[swift mango]

That mean they care

[tropic summit]

yeah you're a lost cause then

[swift mango]

They care about make money from arena players as much as you are an idiot. Wtf

monsy is money

[tropic summit]

if a piss poor half assed AFK arena game mode, with no rewards, is showing them "caring", you really need to think about it a bit more

[swift mango]

Whale doesn't need reward apart from Frame.

[tropic summit]

it doesn't make them money, nowhere close to what SR or UR does

just for the special 1% who are pvp mains to begin with

[swift mango]

Again, it's extra income and they care to make money from it

[swift mango]

They are casual in both from buy book and rock for that. Not just main.

[marble saddle]

damn. they should rename this channel to #rail&blooddebateclub

[swift mango]

One of my whale never invested in Arena until CA.

[tropic summit]

he got brainwashed by SU in a weird way

[marble saddle]

correction: YOU found out today

[swift mango]

It's just money. How many time I need to say it.

[tropic summit]

doesn't look like i can convince you otherwise, you're dead set in thinking they actually care about CA after all i told you, that's about it then

[swift mango]

Why the f PvE player keep come to say SU doesn't want Arena whale money when they clearly greedy as hell. Are you guys all idiots?

[tropic summit]

again, if you release an AFK arena, the cheapest way possibile, with no actual rewards, after 2+ years of development, i honestly don't think they cared like you say

[marble saddle]

if i say we are will you stop?

[swift mango]

Lesser import doesn't mean they don't want to make money from them.

[tropic summit]

nah he doesn't need yes man, he's not stupid

[swift mango]

They just spent less effort to make that money

[tropic summit]

he's not completely off point with what he's saying, but it's a bit too exagerrated

[charred quail]

I’ll make a truce with you. I won’t use you as a test subject to get better at pvp

[marble saddle]

well then theres not much point in him asking me now is there

[charred quail]

Going to use the rank 5 as a test subject

[odd lantern]

Fish vs test mouse

[marble saddle]

bro its fine to be passonate about something, its something else when said passion spends more than 40 mins in a public channel

[swift mango]

There is no exaggerated about it they just spent the minimum effort needed to make money from CA but they care to make money from it. They cared enough about people complain about Emi to make her exact replacement

[hollow lagoon]

Shiet bro went for it

[marble saddle]

zant to the rescue

[tropic summit]

@tidal lichen send the videos, maybe i can help beating the zant

[swift mango]

@tidal lichen

[hollow lagoon]

I feel endangered maybe I change comp

[fast nest]

[swift mango]

How high is his level?

[odd lantern]

No pretend to be rail and give him false advice

[tropic summit]

they just spent the minimum effort needed to make money from CA but they care to make money from it.
Correct.

*They cared enough about people complain about Emi to make her exact replacement *
This was just a consequence, remove your tin hat

[hollow lagoon]

465

[swift mango]

Consequences of whale complain about emi.

[tropic summit]

nah, they made it strong for pve purpose (burst gen and DPS), then it reflects on pvp

you're thinking too hard on the emi part, it's really simpler than you think

[hollow lagoon]

Problem is I got this that can hit me in my range

[tropic summit]

they don't and will not spend time reflecting on arena units, noway they even bother to

[swift mango]

They doesn't need to make SW exactly 1.2 sec and enough gen to match emi 25% CS

But they did

[tropic summit]

to actually nerf a unit, and we had very few occasions, they needed the unit to be downright absurb, like noise on release

other thing they bothered fixing was the downright absurb sync charge shot, which was a bug again

anything else goes, as long as people don't complain hard enough (e.g. emilia and vesti)

[swift mango]

They don't need to make her ignore Noah at the exactly timing of Emi with 25% CS but they did.

[tropic summit]

you really think they bothered testing CS% and if specific CS% timings would bypass noah? come on blood

i can't even imagine them bothering with such tests

it just happened as a coincidence, 100%

[swift mango]

They do. Because they made the whole Arena around Noah. They at least know that

[noble python]

Blood coping so hard rn

[tropic summit]

just like siren stun timing

you really think they woke up one day and said "yo, gonna make siren stun noah exactly a little bit before she casts"

it's all coincidences

and they didn't bother fixing or thinking about it at all

[swift mango]

Siren can be just coincidence that CS could help you solve it. But they know stun at 50 bullet could do something inArena and that's what matter

[odd lantern]

i think they dont really care about balance, not really, because next powercreep is going to make the perfectly balanced situation out of wack anyway

[marble saddle]

rail vs blood situation reminds me of a certain gif

[tropic summit]

oh please

[swift mango]

What?

[marble saddle]

https://tenor.com/view/simpsons-monkey-fight-monkey-fight-knives-gif-427174388596205973

[tropic summit]

that's so unrealistic blood, honestly...
noway in hell they think of those things when they design their units

[swift mango]

They do. I have seen worse DEV but they all do.

[hollow lagoon]

They prob gave it couple test runs and if something can beat it they call it fine and release

[tropic summit]

i'm not gonna say it's 100% unlikely, because maybe there's really some mad lad behind these designs, but it feels like a really huge stretch if those minor things were intentional

especially because, anyway, people will just work around those

e.g. to prevent siren stun you just work on CS% or to deal with SWHA sniping your noah due to timing, you just run different comps

[raven plover]

@swift mango blood you gonna win next match or nah

[tropic summit]

it's so trivial and irrelevant

[swift mango]

It may not be intentional of how exactly they worked but they make it because it could work.

[fast nest]

Whatever, important thing is arena contents seems not that fun as much as SR or UR.

[hollow lagoon]

Ye

[noble python]

What’s SR and UR again?

[tropic summit]

PvE downright sells more than PvP, but also because PvP is pretty much optional for most people, let alone the strict conditions to access CA anyway

[odd lantern]

i thought the most fun thing is the gacha

[tropic summit]

solo raid and union raid, pve

[swift mango]

Idk, never checked

[fast nest]

Then, they have to change the format or should do some attempt but they dont. So many don't want to spend on pvp much.

[noble python]

Ah right I never seen them abbreviated like that lol

[tropic summit]

yeah exactly, they'd need to add QoL to pvp or scrap it altogether to make it more interactive/fun

[hollow lagoon]

PvP can’t sell in the long run anyways, I like current format

[fast nest]

it's ur wallet's fun.

[odd lantern]

it was fun before I opened it

[swift mango]

They needed whether system to make CA more interesting but they don't want to spend the time to manage that shit so it could make them money.

[tropic summit]

current format is dumb, but at least it's fast to deal with daily wise
also i don't think you actual play pvp besides CA

[noble python]

I have question tho is this coming up reset the SPA shuffle reset or is it the next one?

[hollow lagoon]

I don’t play period now days

[swift mango]

They would just keep their routine of building units around burst gen, continuous dmg, and Noah.

[fast nest]

I guess I or other users may not have idea how to improve this content better from this format. any opinion?

[hollow lagoon]

Only thing I play is rookie

[tropic summit]

wait till we get @tidal lichen to be in attacking range

[swift mango]

and just add more number until enough Arena whale stop spending.

[hollow lagoon]

That just make me switch comp

[tropic summit]

he may be our saviour to dethrone le @hollow lagoon

[tropic summit]

https://klipy.com/gifs/anime-unfair

[hollow lagoon]

I could be rolling to farm him every day to make him join my union

[swift mango]

What's his synch level?

[noble python]

Oi does the SPA shuffle this reset of SPA or the next reset?

[hollow lagoon]

465

[tropic summit]

again, it's just a coincidence that those units have higher uptime for firerate/DPS

[tropic summit]

https://klipy.com/gifs/smug-face-10

[swift mango]

They built Arena around Noah since day one, they know what work. They have something called a brain

[tropic summit]

you're expecting a lot from those poor overworked unpaid overtime interns

dev 1: make unit do lots of damages
dev 2: done
dev 3: yo, that kinda stronk in pvp tho?
dev 1 & 2: pvp?

[swift mango]

I don't expect them to know about CS timing or Blanc vs blanc. But Noah is 3-year old kid kind of intelligent

[raven plover]

its over he lost 😔

my union mate kinda creditless and he needs that juicy 6 credit boxes

[tropic summit]

https://klipy.com/gifs/sus-whos-sus-not-me

[tropic summit]

makes sense, as both of you live in a cardboard you can relate

[hollow lagoon]

Outer realm gameplay

[swift mango]

The logic behind SW is simple.

Noah is 3 sec, make SW >3. Emila is 4s charge so adding CS is lower than 4. But 3 sec may not be safe idk, make her 3.2.

Oh Emi gen this much in 2rl? I heard 2.5rl Emi gen this much from fan chart. Make SW gen this much as well but lock her CS so people can't exploit it like Emi.

[raven plover]

https://tenor.com/view/speed-ishowspeed-laugh-laughing-gif-10107777875102130969

[tropic summit]

https://klipy.com/gifs/alexjones-tinfoil

all of that effort... for pvp? naaaaaaaaah

they just realized if ppl could push her CS% higher, her dmg would break pve

[swift mango]

It's just 5 second discussion. That's enough effort to deal with whale complain about missing Emi.

[tropic summit]

except the reason wasn't pvp, but pve balancing

if it breaks pve, they won't release it

if it breaks pvp, they'll nerf it (e.g. noise & sync shoot)

[swift mango]

The reason was complain from whale and how to entice them to spend. There is never a balancing reason.

There is never in gacha that's greedy like SU

[tropic summit]

you're too optimistic on that front, i don't think they spend effort there at all

if they gonna be greedy, they just make multiple running banners with strong characters, like they did with brid and diesel

[swift mango]

They only spend effort in stuff that makes them money and they know what do.

[hollow lagoon]

I can’t agree with either of you, I think the got department for bit of both and some shit just work out

[tropic summit]

3rd player joins

[swift mango]

SWHA is obviously their effort to replace Emi in the meta. Because whale complain. Ofc they make her for PvE

[tropic summit]

and some shit just work out

this is the most realistic approach in fact

[hollow lagoon]

I’m a whale I never complained

[swift mango]

Whale that missed Emi do.

[tropic summit]

~~you never needed emilia cuz you never played pvp anyway ~~

[hollow lagoon]

I don’t have emo

[tropic summit]

realistically whales don't really play pvp, they play CP gapping game

[hollow lagoon]

Also if ur a whale u wouldn’t be missing units, that’s not how whales work

[swift mango]

Well, you never have to place Emi player in the first place. Put you in SEA and you would complain about that before they make SW

[tropic summit]

they start playing a form of pvp once they hit CA, but it's then just win matrix simulator

[fast nest]

In my opinion, they somewhat care when they release new unit.
but in meta-wise thing, it is not intended by them but users.

[hollow lagoon]

Nobody cares about the puny SEA population do we

[tropic summit]

yes and no, a degree of testing is definitely done, they don't want a unit that breaks the game, but also a unit that falls off compared to other actual units, at least when releasing units they want to invest on and want people to roll for

[swift mango]

That's what I said. They make them enough to be meta. But how they are used is up to players.

They made Rapi thinking her continuous dmg that hit 5 would be enough to be meta but apparently not and then they learnt.

[tropic summit]

rather than learnt, it was a consequence of player feedback and demands

[hollow lagoon]

Any tried rapi Ada b1 b3 dual leech

[tropic summit]

they adapt to the community larger complaints most of the time

[swift mango]

That's what learn is

[tropic summit]

learn would be something else, relying on complaints can hardly be called learning but rather just correcting

[hollow lagoon]

I’m sure they test meta pilgrim/over specs more

It’s a shame tho, Cindy should have regular RL gen per shot

[swift mango]

They learn to make money by making units that the most players would pull for.

[tropic summit]

cindy propaganda

[hollow lagoon]

She kinda fallen off for most game modes

[tropic summit]

ya, that's kinda their main objective

[swift mango]

It would be too much at when she was released.

[hollow lagoon]

now days it prob don’t matter

[swift mango]

And Arena players are also players in their scoop. So they included them as well

[tropic summit]

as long as she's needed for HM campaign stages, elec raids and some comps in pvp, can't really call her fallen off yet
i'd call fallen off something like s.anis, although i'm still occasionally using her

[hollow lagoon]

(In bed)

[tropic summit]

https://klipy.com/gifs/hp-harry-potter-OmW

[fast nest]

So, what was the main topic again? Was it whether SU care only for PVE user or not?

[tropic summit]

main topic was whether SU releases units considering PvP implications and how much money they make from game modes like CA

[swift mango]

It matter because slow Cindy slap while fast Cindy doesn't. Somehow being slow is her strength now. So add the burst gen make her worse

[hollow lagoon]

Su prob cares pve more, and does PvP testing

[tropic summit]

my position was and still is that pvp is a consequence rather than something they consider actively on

[hollow lagoon]

[fast nest]

As discussed, they consider some.
They may not make much money from CA because

1. it is not fun.
2. only whale from SP arena goes to CA.

[hollow lagoon]

CA exist because people asked for it

[tropic summit]

honestly, CA was just a slap in the face to anyone who had hopes for a good pvp experience

[swift mango]

There

[tropic summit]

"we gonna make the most budget-ish, boring, AFK arena, inexpensive and easy to maintain mode... after 2+years of development"

[hollow lagoon]

I think CA mostly fine even tho I don’t win it anymore, that’s a factor of my union have multiple CA people and my bracket suck

[swift mango]

What does that have to do with your union people.

[tropic summit]

well this makes sense when it comes from a whale point of view, you never actually experienced proper pvp growth/gameplay

[hollow lagoon]

Ca reward is distributed by highest person in union

[fast nest]

I started this game after CA comes, so I don't know how users' reaction was. but I can feel how they react.

[swift mango]

In the contrary, My bracket is good even if I don't win CA anymore. Because no guy dominance and different guys get Champ everytime.

Chaotic is good

[fast nest]

There is nothing user can engage during CA and its result show up day by day. what a dumb

[tropic summit]

you play a rock/paper/scissor game mode for more than a year and half, grow very tired of it, notice all kind of toxicity you can employ to min/max (ratting, gemming etc), you then expect a game mode that can bring a better/more fun/fair experience.... and you get an AFK arena experience, where the knowledge and experience you made essentially flies out of the window, because anyone can just copy pasta and it's RNG based

yeah, that's not gonna be a "positive" reaction from those kind of people

[swift mango]

Yeah, but it doesn't matter mucj to you winning or not

[hollow lagoon]

If I’m the only one in my union I would aspire to get better score

But I have the entire friendship group, some one’s bound to get top 16

[swift mango]

It's the same complaints for SR after they made the copy team function.

[tropic summit]

ah i see what zant means... "if there's someone else who invested in pvp and that can help me get the same rewards i would, i don't have motivation to invest in said mode"

[swift mango]

I know but he could still get better score by himself.

[tropic summit]

ye but he told you already why he doesn't, realistically why should he throw rocks just for that shiny few letters saying "you won" in a game mode that doesn't give you substantially any reward?

[fast nest]

Good point. Resource is not enough. So, investing it should be wisely chosen.
However, even though someone invested his all nikke life on pvp but he is groupped with 4 whales, this make him quit the game.
In addition, game experience compared to SR is not enough to feel satisfaction.

[swift mango]

Those point difference doesn't matter anyway. Top 16 or just advance

[tropic summit]

aye this is very much on point

[hollow lagoon]

U under estimate how newer players like me lack the PvP tokens

[swift mango]

10 times champ frame. But he couldn't. He chose to retreat because he met a cash wall called Tenshi.

[hollow lagoon]

Friggen never enough this shit

[tropic summit]

and what is he losing out on? nothing

[swift mango]

Whale lack them, not new players after 1 year.

[swift mango]

Self confidence

[fast nest]

First thing they should change is number ppl advancing to CA. it should be increased.
NA has around 8~10month match window in CA. I guess SEA may have much wider window.
This also discourage them to invest on pvp at the start of the game.

[raven plover]

yes I want more people and shuffle every season fuiyou shift up indie server exploding

[tropic summit]

really blood? in CA? it doesn't even matter on you if you win or not, it matters on the opponents, what self confidence

[swift mango]

There are guys without Emi in my bracket and there are guys with Makima.

Up to 2-2.5 years gap.

[fast nest]

[swift mango]

There are guys with natural research level of 230. And guys with natural research level of 90.

[tropic summit]

SU made that mode because they care ye

[fast nest]

yeah. that happen. they have to change that one first.

[swift mango]

They cared to make money. Not care for plebs. SEA is pleb server with less whale.

[tropic summit]

cared so much that they had to make brackets filled with bots

cared so much that they mode had to be AFK arena else it would kill the servers

cared so much they needed 2 years for the dumbest experience

[swift mango]

In play to win war game they paid for people to make bots city.

[tropic summit]

yeah, not gonna pass

[hollow lagoon]

I won/lost to tenshi before shit’s rng

But my wallet is already suffering enough I can live without a frame that I won’t use

[swift mango]

Lost more.

[tropic summit]

ye those are the real trash games

[hollow lagoon]

Actually nope , I typically don’t meat him enough

[swift mango]

I mean bot and dev account to boost spending is normal trash practice in those game but who care so long as players don't found out. If they found out just delete those dev accounts and bots and make another.

[hollow lagoon]

Also if tenshi comes to my bracket he can enjoy the 110 sync diff, all the whaling to invest in PvP just to get clapped by sync whaler

[swift mango]

Still loae more

[hollow lagoon]

I met him like 4 times, won 2 lost 2

[swift mango]

Well he could buy synch level too but he didn't need to.

[hollow lagoon]

[swift mango]

Maybe you missed some

[hollow lagoon]

Nah I get flipped around in brackets

[tropic summit]

sounds like a wonderful experience

[tropic summit]

we can hit zant via @tidal lichen

problem is he's gapped to hell

[shell hazel]

we need to get that mega whale guy it's the only chance we have

the 701 sync guy

[hollow lagoon]

I got this frame now so I kind of don’t care about the PvP ones

[tropic summit]

korean guy or another dude?

[hollow lagoon]

Bro he’s been saving

He’s 701 on Alturia release

[shell hazel]

yeah he's not synced up at all lately so big sync jump awaits

[hollow lagoon]

He only open enough to full clear tower

Mean while I open only for union raid

[tropic summit]

no other choice, @shell hazel let's get kricoun a 💳

[hollow lagoon]

He could just ask me to change my comp to dud and let him hit

[tropic summit]

no fun in that

[hollow lagoon]

And then I swap back after he hit

[hollow lagoon]

What’s the fun in me seeing you beat it and then drop the 2mil cp pad team on it

[tropic summit]

yeah wouldn't be fun either

i guess that's it... the dream is dead

there's no defeating the zant

the world will forever be ruled by the cult

[hollow lagoon]

I mean would he find it enjoyable to fight this

[tropic summit]

the 1 damage experience

[hollow lagoon]

Either that or u take the dead out of the gate comp

[shell hazel]

https://tenor.com/view/it-is-not-this-day-not-today-lord-of-the-rings-gif-14797074

[hollow lagoon]

2.5mil cp

[tropic summit]

https://klipy.com/gifs/otoboku-the-maidens-are-falling-in-love-with-me-2

[hollow lagoon]

Have fun with the team of only charged damage units, biscuit won’t save u

[tropic summit]

https://klipy.com/gifs/aaronpaul-aaron-1

[shell hazel]

https://tenor.com/view/goddess-of-victory-nikke-doro-meme-sad-gif-10692536301102666475

[hollow lagoon]

I won’t change my rookie comp untill some one take it out tho

Then moment it gets taken out in farming that person 5x for the rest of the season

[shell hazel]

problem is you sync up quicker than all so it will never lose

[swift mango]

I'm using this as well because because the color fits Sora. Otherwise I would refer the 4 or 10, or 15 time champ one.

[shell hazel]

the dream gets further and further away

[hollow lagoon]

The 4 is better

[hollow lagoon]

I don’t buy sync

[swift mango]

My bad typed wrong one

[shell hazel]

you got bigger outpost forever

[hollow lagoon]

Can’t if they just cap it

[swift mango]

Still biggest because they can't be bigger

[hollow lagoon]

Look at it dis way

If they are same sync as me I can’t win because of my 3 ele crappy rolled account

[shell hazel]

zant booly

[swift mango]

1- they can't be same synch.
2- Ele doesn't matter in 95% the case in Arena.

[hollow lagoon]

They just have to have faith

And open wallet

[swift mango]

https://tenor.com/view/money-wallet-broke-gif-7855913

[tulip quest]

Costume as Doro and rob bank

[swift mango]

https://tenor.com/view/goddess-of-victory-nikke-doro-meme-walk-backpack-gif-2773589718876438879

[hollow lagoon]

Struggle against the dying of light as @shell hazel inch closer to me raid damage

[shell hazel]

I go up 5B, zant go up 10B

[hollow lagoon]

After my units are skill capped there’s nothing I can do

[shell hazel]

[tulip quest]

https://tenor.com/view/goddess-of-victory-nikke-doro-meme-angry-gif-8226067456849989311

[swift mango]

https://tenor.com/view/doro-gif-1748499123257475241

[tulip quest]

YOU Can do the wallet tho

buy rocks n like Keripo Crit CS ATK Black lines vesti

[hollow lagoon]

I figured I do a 40 sync we were so preped, if we gonna make too 100 then time was the time

[hollow lagoon]

Not enough

[tulip quest]

wuts ur goal

[spark granite]

Does my team have a chance? Ever since the shuffle, most of the higher sync players joined my bracket ;;

[hollow lagoon]

Beat @tropic summit

[spark granite]

Ooo I turned bronze

[shell hazel]

impossibru!

[spark granite]

I agree

[tulip quest]

https://tenor.com/view/doro-dorothy-doro-doro-awooo-nikke-gif-6484781110131663465

[hollow lagoon]

Single buff Beaty on their end but u have no DR, ur unlikely to live the full 10 seconds

Unless their sw is not linked (unlikely) and u mis indom them

[spark granite]

What would be the team to beat this?

[tropic summit]

slower indom, swha + ada will win the trade off

alternatively 3RL slow cindy

[hollow lagoon]

U can Moran helm swha it too

[shell hazel]

some ros comp may also work?

[tropic summit]

they've swha as backup B3 for indom

[spark granite]

Swha, ada, blanc and who else?

[shell hazel]

[tropic summit]

also they're on very fast speed

[hollow lagoon]

Jackal

Err biscuit?

[spark granite]

Oh right, the dog

[tropic summit]

jackal blanc swha biscuit ada, with SWHA and Ada linked, SWHA on lowest HP in link (can be tested in shooting range)

[shell hazel]

ada on vigor cube

[spark granite]

I’ll test it now in shooting range

[swift mango]

In before SW max core,ada lb0

[hollow lagoon]

Cant u just math it out

[tropic summit]

typical in fact

[tropic summit]

https://klipy.com/gifs/fred-flintstone-abacus-1

[spark granite]

Ada is MLB but ya SWHA max core…heh

[shell hazel]

[spark granite]

Testing now

[hollow lagoon]

My Ada is typically not linked yep

[swift mango]

Same investment vigor probably won't be enough

[hollow lagoon]

Not enuff

[swift mango]

Test it for science

[tropic summit]

vigor gonna have to make a miracle

le slow cindy indom approaches

[swift mango]

Same unless only 2 attacker my ada likely no link. Only 10% AtK and all.

[hollow lagoon]

@tropic summit redhood b1 Indom swha would work no

[swift mango]

RH could steal link from ada as well

[tropic summit]

what would the team look like?

[hollow lagoon]

Swha Blanc Bis hood jack?

[swift mango]

SW+Blanc+RH+AdA+Jack

[spark granite]

Ada gets the indom….even tho her hp is higher than SWHA

[tropic summit]

he needs p2 and p3 to survive vestiTU early damage

[hollow lagoon]

Her hp can’t be higher than swha

[tropic summit]

jackal blanc swha biscuit ada

if SWHA lower HP than Ada and jackal, it's SWHA getting indommed

[hollow lagoon]

My mlb Ada ain’t catching my core 6 swha under vigor

[tropic summit]

just run that team in shooting range, pause, click on SWHA and Ada and take a screenshot

[swift mango]

If life steal doesn't matter crown is just as good as ada for SW

[tropic summit]

i mean he either runs slower indom or lifesteal indom

[tropic summit]

first step would be to understand if he even gets swha indommed

[tropic summit]

looks good

[hollow lagoon]

I feel he can just Moran it

[tropic summit]

you've an SWHA indom

[spark granite]

Really?! I didn’t see it

[tropic summit]

?

swha ok 14kk, ada on 17kk, jackal on 16kk

assuming:

jackal blanc swha biscuit ada

swha is indomed on B2 cast

[spark granite]

I see the indom on Ada

[tropic summit]

you see it where?

[spark granite]

Is this the indom?

[tropic summit]

bro that's on shooting range cast

not in actual battle

[spark granite]

[tropic summit]

run that team in the actual match now and record

[spark granite]

Will do

[hollow lagoon]

How do u get mlb Ada to have higher hp than core max swha

[tropic summit]

https://klipy.com/gifs/guy-long-hair-3

[hollow lagoon]

It ain’t happening for me

[swift mango]

His ada got less HP. Only higher because Blanc skill

[tropic summit]

@spark granite hold on, you took that screenshot AFTER casting?

enter battle, pause, check HP
not
enter battle, burst, check HP

[swift mango]

He ain't getting indom on sw

[tropic summit]

if he took screenshot AFTER bursting then that data is wrong

[spark granite]

Ok

[swift mango]

[hollow lagoon]

[tropic summit]

my god people be trolling

[swift mango]

You just read his screenshot wrong

[tropic summit]

this answers your question of earlier then

[tropic summit]

the reason his ada has higher HP it's cuz he took the screenshot after bursting

[spark granite]

Ya ada is lower

[hollow lagoon]

I was like where did my math go wrong

[spark granite]

[tropic summit]

and ada is running vigor?

[hollow lagoon]

My math is better than shooting range

[spark granite]

Yus

[tropic summit]

oke you can't run ada with swha as we expected at first

core diff

[spark granite]

What if I max her sr doll to 15

[swift mango]

I mean 7 dupes are +14% HP and Vigor is +10%. Even if +14 is additive and +10 is actually *1.1. I won't have much hope.

[tropic summit]

ye makes sense

what was the crown variant you wanted to run? i don't see how you'd slot her in

[swift mango]

Not if you are forced to run ada

[tropic summit]

he needs to run slower indom or lifesteal swha

or slow cindy

[hollow lagoon]

Slower indom it is

[swift mango]

Because Ada would still got indomed

[tropic summit]

oh so it needs ada

[hollow lagoon]

Just use a Centi pressure to speed up opponent ffs

Eazy clap

The kind of shit only me and @swift mango can do

[tropic summit]

he needs to survive vestiTU

[hollow lagoon]

Centi shield heals a tiny bit on. Break

[tropic summit]

@swift mango does rumani live here to B1?

[tropic summit]

you expect blanc in p3 to live against vestiTU + SWHA pokes?

[hollow lagoon]

@tropic summit

[tropic summit]

looks like a mana indom

[hollow lagoon]

Not if ur mana is vigor

And core +X

[tropic summit]

and you think he wouldn't have the same issue as earlier ada?

[hollow lagoon]

No

Cuz u can core up mana

[tropic summit]

dafuq is core up

[spark granite]

Core up mana

Sounds like going to shiftys shop

[swift mango]

If you have no confidence

[tropic summit]

oh whel strats

[tropic summit]

wouldn't stunning make them slower?

[hollow lagoon]

More dupes?

[tropic summit]

also he can't run swha indom with ada

[swift mango]

Could just move Rapu to p4 if you afraid

[tropic summit]

i don't see any of those working, maybe the noise one assuming blanc doesn't die to the early barrages

[swift mango]

Ada isn't linked but label

[tropic summit]

how is he linking label?

[hollow lagoon]

I’m just wondering why u don’t just shove this into it

[swift mango]

By having her invested

[tropic summit]

yeah at this point might aswell

@spark granite call it a day and run @hollow lagoon 's

[tropic summit]

https://klipy.com/gifs/thinking-think-of-it

[spark granite]

https://tenor.com/view/fig-gif-26092737