pvp-arena

[lone sequoia]

cindy need +40 ammo and RLs need 6~8 or more than 13

[undone blaze]

Other than the doll, if she's the lowest hp, you put her in p4/5?

[versed mesa]

Just got a black def line on my Moran

[lone sequoia]

it doesn't matter for the link

[lone sequoia]

gz

[versed mesa]

Just wanted to get rid of a useless charge speed on line 2, but I'll take it

[glad meteor]

What nesso said. Since the damage is distributed equally

[undone blaze]

Why is it an issue if she's the lowest hp

[lone sequoia]

blanc burst target lowest HP; she will get the burst intead of your main dps

[glad meteor]

Yes

[lone sequoia]

the only case for a lowest jackal HP to be in p4 or a different position is dmg window, something like ele dmg advantage to proc soline before blanc burst target one of your units, in this case jackal will heal, but not your main dps so she will be the lowest at that point... a rare case and something you don't want to play with

[undone blaze]

I see, idk I just put blanc in because my noah is useless vs siren and i have literally no one else

[tropic summit]

say you've

jackal 100HP
helm 120HP
vestiTU 115HP

damage is distributed EQUALLY, meaning you take for example 30 dmg then distribute it 10 to each, the lowest HP in the link will also retain lowest HP in the team, assuming your 4th unit doesn't become lowest HP in the team

to ensure of that, you generally put unlinked unit in p3 or p4, blanc in general p3 or p4, so both of those units will want either of those 2 spots
be careful that p3 can still be hit by emilia and vestiTU

[gritty ridge]

Btw rail, noise jackal works in deficit

With noise linked i burst, without noise i just died

[tropic summit]

if ppl can get their noise linked while being on deficit and having to pad ye

[versed mesa]

C4 probably getting their 681 boost today. I wonder if they finally have the power to dethrone me again

[mint kite]

I'm not attacking the person I'm defending from

[versed mesa]

Well what was that recording from and for then?

[mint kite]

I'm trying to attack C2. C4 is trying to attack me

[versed mesa]

https://tenor.com/view/confused-confused-look-confused-face-funny-funny-look-gif-4850532509577233362

[mint kite]

C4 attacks me at a time that makes it impossible for me to attack them back

I've got nothing to do with my free 1 attack but attack C2

If I can't beat C2, the thought was that I might as well attack C2 as late as possible to mess up C4

Since C4 has figured out all my teams so far

Haven't been able to effect a defender switch has messed his attack up

[gritty ridge]

Wdym pad

[versed mesa]

I was confused what that video had to do with it, but now it makes more sense. But still, that is getting way too nitty gritty tactics wise

[mint kite]

I mean, the video was showing that I was unable to beat C2

[versed mesa]

I was missing that context on that earlier post then. But even if you could make your loss stall for longer against him, I think it is getting way too finicky trying to time it

Just saying, even as a recovering sniper/countersniper, that is too intense even for me

[glad meteor]

4/5 skins

[arctic jewel]

lel, nice!

btw, how many Def lines can Moran have? does she even benefit from Crit stats?

[lone sequoia]

crit rate is fine, but depends on the comp or team synergy, is another way to deal more dmg or heal back without adding more atk stats that can mess the atk priority

different build for pve, pvp or pvx

[arctic jewel]

trying to go for a balanced PvP and PvE Moran

[lone sequoia]

if you don't play stall you can just go with 4 atk/DEF/ele

or something like 4DEF, 2~3atk/ele and crit rate (you have to check reaload timing to know if you need or want 1 ammo)

[shell hazel]

[lone sequoia]

you don't need ammo in pve since she have unlimited during her burst, in pvp more or less ammo is to trigger her taunt in x moment

last hit "attract" against 3 highest atk units

[arctic jewel]

hmmm, is she able to trigger that before burst?

[lone sequoia]

nop, only in 4RL comps

[arctic jewel]

then it's probably not worth it

[versed mesa]

I have 2 ammo lines currently which isn't really ideal, but she seems to be getting shit done anyway.

[lone sequoia]

it could be bad against slow ssrapi comps

[lone sequoia]

if you don't play stall and check ways to reduce dmg after 2nd cycle/rotation, you probably don't need ammo

[versed mesa]

Mostly trying to roll for cp first anyway, atk and ele if I can get them preferably

[arctic jewel]

I currently don't use Moran in very slow teams

[lone sequoia]

but 1 or 0 ammo is about the same, you can fix the % later if you need it

[gritty ridge]

@tropic summit thoughts?

[versed mesa]

I still have a useless charge damage roll on one piece that I need to get rid of.

There just isn't enough rocks to min max perfectly when have so much more work to do with PvE anyway

[tropic summit]

centi treasure? if not phase 2+ then the rest looks ok

[gritty ridge]

Phase 1

The idea for t3 is sac scar for 2rl nayu

[tropic summit]

it's still weak but it may work on monkeys

[arctic jewel]

🍌

[tropic summit]

also move rosanna in p4

she can already be cheesed by SWHA if unlinked, at least make it non cheesable by vesti

[gritty ridge]

It feels weird not to use noah im ngl

[glad meteor]

@versed mesa

[versed mesa]

What did I do now??

[glad meteor]

https://tenor.com/view/dexter-gif-1878760417600646737

I seen your banana too many times

[versed mesa]

https://tenor.com/view/dexter-idk-i-don't-know-i-dont-know-dexter-morgan-gif-8495770667022285823

This? 🍌

[glad meteor]

[glad meteor]

[shell hazel]

https://tenor.com/view/dexter-dexter-morgan-micheal-c-hall-rita-rita-dexter-gif-17495988031212328128

[glad meteor]

https://tenor.com/view/time-to-take-a-ride-cinderella-come-with-me-under-arrest-arrested-sergeant-odafin-tutuola-gif-14179125

[versed mesa]

Have you ever heard of the Streisand effect? 🍌

[glad meteor]

Take the banana off my rei

[versed mesa]

Kids love bananas! They are good for you! 🍌

[glad meteor]

I have. I know I bought this upon myself

[glad meteor]

https://tenor.com/view/discord-mod-moderation-ban-mod-ban-gif-9351874248631360646

[versed mesa]

https://tenor.com/view/blinking-eyes-white-guy-blinking-meme-what-huh-gif-26334322

[glad meteor]

https://tenor.com/view/cucumber-pickle-chop-unsolicited-nopeen-gif-17851416

[versed mesa]

https://tenor.com/view/austin-powers-ouch-feelings-hurt-burn-gif-26979764

[unique wagon]

A banana

[gritty ridge]

@tropic summit I settled on this

[tropic summit]

looks ok

https://klipy.com/gifs/good-anime-1

[umbral crown]

bigboi missed the chance to get noise pass rerun

im still waiting for Noise gacha skin rerun

[umbral crown]

3rd team is solid, i have used for few seasons in CA and rarely loses

[glad meteor]

[glad meteor]

[umbral crown]

https://tenor.com/view/nikke-noise-gif-7413223906284060383

[gritty ridge]

Hehe

[umbral crown]

just imagine having this animation

[hollow tulip]

What’s the best rookie arena team?

[gritty ridge]

[swift mango]

So long as it's sarc to 2rl she starts to be viable

Send me ur champ guy too. Thanks.

[swift mango]

That's @terse dragon right? He is mid tier bracket. Not a day one guy.

[covert lintel]

Did you see my team somewhere

[swift mango]

Probably not

Is this guy champ this season?

[covert lintel]

I never changed that team more than 1 year

[swift mango]

I don't think you ever showed you def team to me.

[covert lintel]

It's just a level check team

[spiral onyx]

@lusty gull The share/load deck feature is broken btw:
https://nikke-deck.com/en/deck?deck=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

NA Rank 1 PvPer
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GzwGCc4rh3g

[umbral crown]

Congrats

https://tenor.com/view/pool-boy-dopinder-deadpool-live-the-dreams-mr-pool-gif-22377230

[covert lintel]

I'm waiting to see the rank 1 champion from all regions fight in the same group

[spiral onyx]

Maybe one day when Champion Arena moves out of beta

[umbral crown]

After S30, trust

[swift mango]

Link

[swift mango]

The one in Jpn is a mid tier player, he probably around my bracket.

Maybe Keripo would fight fah

But not him with this system

[chrome harbor]

Morning, been stuck on this the whole morning, and need advise on how to beat the one the 2 teams. Keep running into the other guy's immunity.

My remaining box

Any help appreciated 🙏

Just beat the first line up in the video by rearranging my lineup, but it feels so rng

[covert lintel]

I'm bad at advising so ask @swift mango if this works or not

[tropic summit]

don't use water code against scarlet

same team but with vestiTU will do fine instead

jackal blanc vestiTU biscuit HelmT

he's synchro 638 so he probably got anything at least minimun built

[chrome harbor]

My jackal and helmT is held up by the last lineup the guy has. But goodoint on watercode

[tropic summit]

@spiral onyx i didn't check but his your vid out yet?

[tropic summit]

post all 3 teams then

[covert lintel]

She's on p3 and attacking means she will aim p5 not p1
She will get dmged by opponent besti to get indom

[umbral crown]

@tropic summit

[chrome harbor]

Will do so the next time I fight the guy 🙏

[tropic summit]

not the CA, i've 0 interest in those, i meant his pvp overall video

[umbral crown]

[tropic summit]

in general the 2 main attack teams will be

• indom
• noah-biscuit

archetypes

if you using indom elsewhere when you can afford using noah here, you could probably just change strategy

glass cannon scarlet or pseudo stall scarlet are both weak to DPS oriented noah-biscuit archetype

additionally, bay and label can also trivialize her

that way you can keep indom AND noah open, which can allow for triple win even

think you just gotta shuffle your cards a bit

[chrome harbor]

Oh yeah, forgot about bay vs scarlet. Thanks a lot!
Was too concerned with trying to outpace the scarlet

[tropic summit]

no worries, you'll need bay-biscuit to ensure you survive those few seconds noah buys scarlet

or at least moran bay

[chrome harbor]

Much appreciated. I don't mind* the daily exchange I have with my opponent. Think he is irritated that i am able to break his defence.
Guy changes every day

[tropic summit]

there's no such thing, but there are many patterns that have decent difficulty

try any of these

• moran noah biscuit swha helmt
• jackal vestiTU swha blanc helmT (vestiTU and helmT are assumed linked)
• vestiTU helmT swha siren noah
• vestiTU helmT swha moran noah
• nayuta helmt vestiTU RH swha
• moran bay biscuit helmt swha
• blanc swha cindy biscuit rumani

change to the next one once they fail and keep repeating

[covert lintel]

I do it too if my defense gets breached

[chrome harbor]

Since we are on rookie arena, how does one break Moran helmT vestiT noah jackal?

[tropic summit]

biscuitless noah teams are all weak to indom

e.g.:

• jackal blanc vestiTU biscuit helmt
• jackal blanc swha biscuit ada

[eager brook]

What's biscuit changing for Noah against indom teams?

[hollow tulip]

Right now I got Siren, Blanc, SBS, Alice, Rouge

[gritty ridge]

@tropic summit

[tropic summit]

stalling it out enough to prevent lethal from indom

indom weakness is a team that can deny DPS or survive 10s

moran noah biscuit helmt swha have got hard stall (invulnerable), DR stack, debuffing and lifesteal

most importantly, against indoms that can't pop 2 biscuit stacks pre burst, they made have a leftover stack to further deny DPS

[tropic summit]

lad losing with 50+ synchro level ahead is sadge

[gritty ridge]

Tbf, I have 2 teams that perform well in deficit

[tropic summit]

he's playing with deficit advantage, if he can't win with that, there's something very wrong

bro probably running dumb campaign teams into them

he could copy your teams and just win out of mirror

[gritty ridge]

I honestly dont think he would, I can almost guarantee my noise is stronger than his

Most of my pvp units should be

[tropic summit]

it won't matter, a mirror team but with 18-22% deficit will always win

your stats are nuked

[gritty ridge]

Im saying if he mirrored, I dont think id be in deficit

[tropic summit]

with 50 synchro still not in deficit advantage? that's worse than 🐒

[umbral crown]

[vale fossil]

Congrats dude.

[spiral onyx]

Maybe if you subscribed to my YouTube channel you would know

https://tenor.com/view/oh-wow-you-dont-say-michael-office-wow-michael-scott-gif-11124235989547302113

[humble tiger]

Oh my god. It worked. The new defense team I made by myself worked.

@tropic summit I can cook now.

[swift mango]

I don't think Blanc would be before scarlet slash but you could trust Moran to solo.

[swift mango]

🎊

[humble tiger]

Man. Rumani would've fixed my problems.

[tropic summit]

sounds like propaganda

[tropic summit]

https://klipy.com/gifs/sunnyfication-3

[swift mango]

Move team 2 Rapi into p4.

[humble tiger]

Any particular reason? I understand some stuff about moving units to specific positions, but why?

[swift mango]

P4 is safer than p3 and you want her to live longer.

Centi p3

Doesn't really matter much but it is more optimal

[void pendant]

Greetings, what are the best current cubes for PvP?

[humble tiger]

Oh. Okay.

[swift mango]

Tempering, Quantum and Adjustant.

[void pendant]

I have these cubes

[swift mango]

Upgrade tempering to 11 if you wanted arena. Bastion 11 if you wanted raid

[spiral onyx]

Support your local starving F2P content providers

https://tenor.com/view/hikikomori-anime-neet-hikineet-please-gif-9340341

[void pendant]

Understood, I raised the resilience cube to the maximum because I felt it was good.

[swift mango]

In SpA, p4 is the safest. Follow by p3 and 5. P2 then p1 are least safe.

[undone blaze]

Do I have what it takes to beat these teams? Again....one of those dudes I was beating easily last week but now nothing works https://www.blablalink.com/shiftyspad/nikke-list?uid=MjkwODAtNDgxMjUzMDI3ODA5MjQ4MjE2NQ%3D%3D&openid=MjkwODAtNDgxMjUzMDI3ODA5MjQ4MjE2NQ%3D%3D

[swift mango]

It's common decision especially if you haven't cleared campaign and have crown.

I raise resilience to 11 first. Keep it there and 15 tempering. Next I would 11 quantum then 11 bastion and Adjustant. I would be done by then.

But I lean on Arena more. And Resilience to 11 first because campaign reason

[void pendant]

Which Nikkes are equipped with the tempering cube? I've never used it, but I do use the other two in some cases.

[gritty ridge]

Where is tempura

[cobalt lotus]

Does Ada burst flash grenade come out instantly upon her burst activation? And what is the range?

[slim imp]

Hi guys, any advices to beat these ones?

I have every NIKKE except Label, Velvet, E.H and the new Arcana

[crystal flicker]

We dont know your investment tho

[slim imp]

Wdym

[tropic summit]

run these, you're on the left

[crystal flicker]

He does not have Label

[tropic summit]

won't matter, T2 is throwaway

he can run siren instead of label for all it matters

just betting on the team being noise taunt oriented so he can deny B1

other 2 teams should be default win

(as long as his units are invested anyhow)

[slim imp]

Wow this looks very helpful, gonna try rn

[tropic summit]

synchro 217 so you gonna have to play CP tetris x burst gen

T1 run anti nuke or 2RL nuke (moran + noah or similar, else scar-jack or similar)
T2 skip
T3 pop rosanna cloak with vestiTU/SWHA, any 2RL team, run resistant p1 (moran/nayuta or jackal linked)

[swift mango]

Tempering is on everyone that doesn't need other cubes to function. Moran team wants it x5 if possible.

[tropic summit]

https://klipy.com/gifs/bocchi-bocchi-the-rock-31

[slim imp]

Lv 565, Resilience 15 Bastion 13 and every other cube above 8

Most of them with OG and over 7/7/7

Except Noah she's 4/4/4

[tropic summit]

assemble those teams and check if your CP is enough to avoid penalty (multiply enemy team CP for 0.846 and check against your team CP, for each matchup)

[slim imp]

Looks good

[tropic summit]

yep it does, give it a shot

scarlet tempering
blanc vigor
rh vigor
centi quantum
jackal quantum

vestiTU tempering
bsoda tempering
swha quantum
siren any
bay any

noah tempering
biscuit vigor
helmt any
laplaceT quantum
noise vigor/tempering

[glad meteor]

Yh

[undone blaze]

Vesti got clapped before she could burst

I could potentially put Anis instead of Pepper to put me at 98.132 to 2 rl

But I don't think it would change much

[tropic summit]

why is vesti in p3?

no moran or nayuta available?

nvm i looked at your box now, you missing those

[slim imp]

Cinderella obliterated my second team but finally i made it !!!!!! Tysm

[tropic summit]

ye was mostly a throaway, it gambled on noise taunt priority but if cindy reached B3 it means T2 didn't make it

[tropic summit]

try these next time (assumes no deficit)

wishlist SWHA, get helmT and moran treasured (wishlist if missing dupes)

@shell hazel i've done the thing, won the 50/50 again, meaning high% i won't win 50/50 with broccoli lady tho

[quick lake]

that’s not how 50/50 works

[tropic summit]

statistically i should lose it next, at least much more likely...

@quick lake

would need to be a miracle

[void pendant]

1% probability, 99% faith.

[umbral crown]

https://tenor.com/view/creative-jam-count-every-vote-election-night-its-not-over-keep-counting-gif-18920563

[rich quail]

the processed trust

[tropic summit]

the trusted process

[rich quail]

process trust the

[lost ether]

how creative would yall rate the enemy team?

[tropic summit]

very little threat, pretty bad

[lost ether]

i think it to counter my jackal vesti drake team

[undone blaze]

In those exact positions?

for the first team i'm ahead 25k cp, for the other below 16k

[undone blaze]

Okay wow

You're a wizard

I see why Noir was p1, she got stunned by the time I reached B3

Was the Soline there just as a cheerleader? or to try to link Noise and Vesti?

[mighty haven]

[lusty gull]

it's working for me but not with your link, it seems some data is missing, are you sure you copied the full link ?

[glad meteor]

[rich quail]

[rich quail]

This is an urgent time

https://tenor.com/view/arnold-schwarzenegger-conan-the-barbarian-to-crush-you-enemies-gif-8239108

[glad meteor]

[rich quail]

It is YOU who needs the BAN

BANana Looker

🇰

[mighty haven]

I don't need urgency

[rich quail]

Good man

[covert lintel]

But it's the same 2.5 speed

Only a few people have 18% cs above besti because normal suggests always at 8%cs

[tiny scroll]

This is him here. I know nothing about this person. Never seen them in any of my matches or groups. FYI

[shell hazel]

[mighty haven]

@rich quail

[arctic jewel]

If I want to use Jackal/VestiTU/XMaiden/Blanc/Ada and want the team to be 2.5RL, how do I check how much CS do I need? With Arena Tools?

[arctic jewel]

Cute fox

[gaunt pulsar]

you go to nikke top and input the team? and check how much cs you need?
but from the looks of it either of 3 Rl units jackal/maiden/ada just have to have 18cs if you want natural 2.5, with jackal link though you anyway going to be 2.5 or faster even without cs

[arctic jewel]

What I'm currently doing is that I input CS values for each Nikke, I was wondering if there is an easier way to check how much you need to reach certain RLs?

[gaunt pulsar]

well you have graph that tells you everything and moves whenever there is cs change, you can hover over blue dot lines and see at how much energy you at
lets take this for example 0cs team - 3rl with 111% energy, giving just only ada 8%cs in that team makes you faster and still keep you at 101%, if you have more cs on maiden or jackal for example you would have even more energy overhead as they generate more. on 4th screenshot you can see ada on 18% and vesti on 8 which gives you 2.5rl, but we not even accounting for jackal feed here, so it's all overestimate actually and you dont need so much cs because if you set-up links and input some enemy teams that you expect to fight you will see that you would actually be faster than 2.5

if you want to know at what rl you are actually in the RL measure system - divide frame at which you are reaching 100%+ energy by 76, so 190/76=2.5

[arctic jewel]

Nice that there's a formula, thank you!

[gaunt pulsar]

could always use nikke-deck for simplicity too, but have to be aware of how much cs it adds when you press ⚡ icon which i guess come with experience. For most RL unit's to be promoted from 3rl to 2.5 it's 18%cs

[arctic jewel]

Yeah that's actually the main reason why I asked the question in the first place xD
I mean, it's convenient to just click on the lightning icon, but it doesn't really say a lot

[hollow lagoon]

[ashen basalt]

[lusty gull]

[swift mango]

my bad, I thought Noah was Jackal

[swift mango]

That's 4000 rocks with my luck.

[hollow lagoon]

4000? Pertty lucky

[hollow lagoon]

[arctic jewel]

[arctic jewel]

[tropic summit]

she's used as flex battery aswell, since you don't have nayuta/moran you need a unit you can sacc to stun/damage pre burst, so she covered a few roles alone
as for soline, she ensured to keep you alive pre burst, her kit heals your units when they drop to certain HP until you burst, she's your pseudo moran here

[mint kite]

Oops I've forgotten that I should just try to counter Rosanna with Cinder
https://www.blablalink.com/shiftyspad/nikke-list?uid=MjkwODAtMTIwMjIxODg2MTc4MjAyNzkwMDE%3D

[tropic summit]

you taking a lot of risks here

T1 you're walking into noah with your main damage source, it's a team easy to punish with rosanna instead
T2 you're gonna let them indom against a biscuitless noah
T3 it's essentially a glass cannon team, you don't need to play their game with a similar mirror team but on weaker DPS

i'd rather run this

T1 you'll be bursting faster, rosanna also directly counters mana as she'll remove her iron stack, preventing revive altogether, you're then essentially killing off the enemy main damage source while going into FB with high DPS

T3 it's up to you knowing if rosanna is linked and if she's invested, if she's linked and invested run

• noah rumani biscuit cindy helmt
  if she isn't you've leeway into your choice of B3, like the above

additionally bit of info, if enemy runs rosanna in p2 she's tauntable, so you can actually prevent her hitting attackers if you run noise + noah archetype, ensure noah is with biscuit in that case to prevent lethal on noah

[tropic summit]

~~to think we can't have a banner for this unit ~~

[hollow lagoon]

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/668761667873538071/1489836624559865898/mekamishiftybutpunishment.gif

[tropic summit]

new shooting range

[hollow lagoon]

[arctic jewel]

Is Nikke turning into BD2?

[arctic jewel]

Game of the year

But seriously though

I'm genuinely a bit depressed that she can't be recruited

[brittle estuary]

Can someone suggest a team to help me beat these two teams?

[runic coral]

anyone explain what these icons mean in nikke deck?

[tropic summit]

left:

• CS% requirement

right:

• skill level requirement

[lunar pawn]

[runic coral]

ty, where can I find these requirements?

[tropic summit]

T1 assumes SWHA linked
T2 assumes enemy is 2.5RL, you've vestiTU on 5+CS%

if in T2 enemy is 3RL, use a 3RL DPS oriented B3 instead and keep noah archetype
Note that T2 does not require Biscuit. You can switch the archetype to Noise, Rumani, Flex, Flex, Noah (3RL or 2.5RL depending on enemy CS%). I’m assuming you’ve built T3 for the other enemy team and are picking one of the two; otherwise, adjust as needed with that in mind.

[tropic summit]

vestiTU 5CS%+
helmT 8%CS+
emilia 8%CS+
any standard clip RL 11-15%CS%+ (e.g. rumani, centi, jackal, noah, trina... etc)

as for skill levels they're the recommended ones (e.g. s1 lvl 10 for helmT)

[runic coral]

holy shit I looked everywhere except the blue checkmark to find documentation XD, thanks

also, would you know why the burst timers are so different on this comp?

[tropic summit]

SWHA does that

unlike most other clip RL tier units, she's an exception

[runic coral]

so which one is more accurate? 3rl or 2.5rl?

[tropic summit]

fact is, it isn't either but it's in between

[runic coral]

ohh

alright, didn't know that

[tropic summit]

that team is a peculiar take on slow cindy, we refer to it as "not so fast cindy"

it's mostly a CA team although and situational SP arena attack team

[runic coral]

it's for ca

[runic coral]

☝️

[arctic jewel]

It's a very beautiful team

:3

[brittle estuary]

Thank you so much, I succeeded :3

[tropic summit]

https://klipy.com/gifs/anime-girl-63

[warm monolith]

@tropic summit i need new def teams, ive fallen down to diamond

From challenger 4th

[tropic summit]

and where's the sauce

box or blabla link

[warm monolith]

https://www.blablalink.com/shiftyspad/nikke-list?uid=MjkwODAtMjAwMzQ2ODI4NTA2MTI4NDEzOA%3D%3D&openid=MjkwODAtMjAwMzQ2ODI4NTA2MTI4NDEzOA%3D%3D this should work

[tropic summit]

try this next see how it holds, also lemme know who's linked in T1, if scarlet isn't linked it's actually better

[warm monolith]

T1: 1.091.139
T2: 1.132.298
T3: 1.129.947
In t1 scar is linked, also why not use blanc?

[tropic summit]

you've to throw them off

once and if they clear that, change to this

if they get too used to the same archetypes over and over they'll keep clearing it

ABC of defense in SParena is to keep changing archetypes over and over

[warm monolith]

You keep using tBay, im assuming that character is good ()

I start to feel like she deserves SSS on pvp

[tropic summit]

with biscuit she's ok, also works on monkeys because most will run nuke oriented teams first to see if it works

in your box she's the highest CP unit so you kinda want her in there

[mint kite]

My Rosanna is currently completely uninvested

Well, she's 4/4/4

[warm monolith]

Btw i love Bay and stuff but idk what she can tank and not, can you tell me all?

[tropic summit]

you can indom against T1 then, it's biscuitless noah

[mint kite]

I'm pretty sure his Rosanna is better invested than his Vesti. How much worse attack does a B1 have over a B3?

[tropic summit]

T1 indom vestiTU/SWHA
T2 skip
T3 noah archetype

e.g.

jackal blanc swha flex flex (you can also swha blanc rh flex jackal for overkill)
noah rumani biscuit cindy helmt

[tropic summit]

assuming:

moran bay biscuit, she can tank anything
noise bay biscuit, similar but less effective as with moran
moran bay, she can't tank liberalio and will struggle against emilia, can tank cindy and 1 hit based nukers
bay alone, she can't tank cindy, emilia, liberalio and will tank 1 hit nukers only

keep in mind her perfomance may vary based on who you facing, units that quickly kill her cover will make her drop in effectiveness

[warm monolith]

W wife

Rail whats your fav nikke

[warm monolith]

Id never thought lol

[tropic summit]

talented seiyuu, pretty design, she's cute, would protecc

[mint kite]

Laplace?!

[tropic summit]

Tove

[warm monolith]

(the one and only tove fan)

[tropic summit]

cast is too big to have only one favourite anyway

it's just that if i had to pick out of everyone, i'd pick her

[warm monolith]

Its better to have a nikke thats popular as your favorite, you dont know the amount of 'fan arts' of Bay i despised

[tropic summit]

siren, cindy, scarlet, levi, RRH, alice, blanc, doro, lib, mast, privaty, arcana, cecil

these would be my fav in total

[warm monolith]

Bay, nihilister, poli, modernia, liberalio, cindy, sbs, alice, rapu would be mine, the first 4 wont change ever

[tropic summit]

wowie nihil fan

[warm monolith]

Easy 2nd or 3rd favorite

[tropic summit]

i guess there's another one that i've interest in sort of, although she wouldn't be a nikke like cecil

like her character so far

unless SU fks it up and turns her into stupid plot drive

[warm monolith]

Might be my favorite npc too, first impression was perfect

Whats SU? Syuen?

[tropic summit]

shift up

[warm monolith]

Oh oke

[arctic jewel]

A will to survive

[warm monolith]

Way better than syuen, the better sister

[tropic summit]

https://klipy.com/gifs/survive

ironically she describes my nikke experience to a T

since day 1 i'm just struggling to survive

[arctic jewel]

Whenever someone posts movie gifs here, the more I like this channel, Tropic Thunder ❤️

[quick lake]

Behemoth best girl

[warm monolith]

She was the best in four beasts until ziz came out

[arctic jewel]

Honestly

Real talk

[warm monolith]

Ye?

[arctic jewel]

Both Behemoth and Ziz ❤️

[warm monolith]

https://tenor.com/view/understandable-have-nice-day-have-a-great-day-have-a-good-day-nice-gif-20850110

I was stuck on some hard chapter lvl until i used Bay, the best tank ever. I wont stop glazing her

I need to find some Bay fan art w turkish flag or som

[arctic jewel]

https://tenor.com/view/ishowspeed-meme-trying-not-to-laugh-laugh-homeless-gif-9458928528704746136

[mint kite]

Is it not worth flexing in Siren in T1 to stun Moran?

I guess SWHA won't be able to kill everyone by that point and all I've done is extend Noah's invuln

[versed mesa]

Noir, Rapi, Ludmilla I would say are my top 3

[glad meteor]

I might be getting jumped soon

@tropic summit down x2

[polar valley]

@tropic summit finally new spicy unit for our project

[tropic summit]

biscuitless noah won't protect you long enough for any 2RL indom swha/vestiTU

[polar valley]

idk about this one though...

[tropic summit]

https://klipy.com/gifs/easy-button-1

[mint kite]

By "you" you mean "him"?

Looks like he'll get a 2.5 RL biscuitless Noah

[tropic summit]

ye ofc, the moran noah archetype without biscuit

that 0.5RL won't change a thing, it's biscuit that can allow stalling

your objective is reaching 2RL B2 with a buffed indom SWHA/vestiTU, at that moment that team has already lost

[mint kite]

Kind of hard to find a good flex that won't kick SW from indom

[tropic summit]

shooting range and use vigor on your flex

test it out and you'll see how much HP you're off with

[mint kite]

XMaiden, I guess

[tropic summit]

don't guess, test it in shooting range

RRH/Lib/LaplaceT/xmaiden

even SBS or alice

[late tiger]

i always forgot to ask, but anyone knows a comb for 1.5RL? I can only guess Jackal/Rosanna

[placid bloom]

under 2RL requires high cs

[tropic summit]

situationally with feed

jackal helmt swha flex flex

without feed

jackal helmt swha clipRL clipRL

[placid bloom]

even this is possible if you don't think you will get punished by SG or something

[mint kite]

It's more that I need to find gen that has lower attack than my 1LB SW

[late tiger]

thanks~
likely all 15% or do they need more CS?

[tropic summit]

why atk?

jackal blanc swha flex flex

the flex in p4 can be anchorIM for all it matters

else if

swha blanc rh flex jackal

flex in p4 again can be anchorIM or similar

[placid bloom]

higher cs doesn't matter if it's not Emilia tbh

you are bottlenecked by SWHA proc landing and she is not affected by cs

[tropic summit]

helmT 8%+
vestiTU 5%+
emi 8%+
any clip RL 11%+

aim for the above and you're pretty much good for anything

[placid bloom]

if you need to land 2nd shot on Helm you are not getting 1.5RL, you are getting like 1.6-1.7

and cs won't make a diff for 1 shot

[mint kite]

Just noticed that my LaplaceT has like no ATK OLs. She'll never steal a link spot

[late tiger]

thanks o7
i can't see this as viable though, no?
i feel like i sacrifice too many RL clip

[tropic summit]

easier to keep unlinked as flex clip RL tier battery in p4

[late tiger]

would be rumani+jackal, centiT feeds into enemy RL

[placid bloom]

well yes just because 1.5RL is possible don't mean it's good

there isn't even a good B3 set up for 1.5RL

[late tiger]

next meta, i guess

[placid bloom]

if you bursting SWHA you still delayed 3 second just from her own mechanic

if you bursting Helm you aren't wiping the enemy team unless they are Jackal linked

[late tiger]

should i treasure centi to T1, T2 or all the way to T3?

[mint kite]

Phase 1 at most

[tropic summit]

after T1 you actually make her weaker and way more situational, don't treasure her past T1

[late tiger]

the heal on breaking barrier sounds good, but it helps enemy team in a way.
i feel like it only makes centi viable for mirroring 2RL/2.5RL, because this gives the enemy a faster burst generation

[late tiger]

o7 thanks you both

[tropic summit]

ye and for slow cindy comps to force faster speed

but the trade off isn't worth it imo

maybe one day when we've so much burst gen that you can actually drop a clip RL for situational teams

[late tiger]

i thought about pairing t2 centi with nero, moran team cuz of the heal she provides, being possible

or is trina in general better?

[placid bloom]

Nero Moran wants more consistent healers to proc Nero, Centi heal you don't have control over

[late tiger]

i forgot how long the dmg reduction from nero lasts, but centi recasts it every 7s

i expected a bit more from centi

but you can also use t2 to your advantage to proc enemy burst faster

so i can see her being viable vs noah teams and blanc

[arctic jewel]

I've been thinking of using student Rei in a slow Cindy team

No idea how good the team will be, but it might be worth testing

[tropic summit]

ask the decoy master @swift mango , did you mess with rei as much as you did with delta b4?

[shell hazel]

I wanted to make a team where opponent would target skip to p5 😄

rei rosanna cindy = p4 only

[late tiger]

what would that achieve?

or for the memes?

[shell hazel]

somewhat for the memes

else someone who likes being hit 🙂

[late tiger]

makes me wonder, what happens if we slot in units only with stealth?

[shell hazel]

that was part of it too

[late tiger]

viper, rosanna, euwha

[shell hazel]

but I suspect there is fail-safe to target "something" then

[tropic summit]

they attack their own teammates

but ye it will default to p1 probably in that case

[late tiger]

ye, would be weird if not, but you never know with SU

[arctic jewel]

Oh I wish that was a thing against nuke heavy teams xD

[placid bloom]

only a few units actually get decoy or stealth at start of battle

it's not that common

[late tiger]

we had the bug with 2 identical CS stacking dmg

noise was overpowered in the beginning

[shell hazel]

100% that is the case that was why I was looking at it but I don't think we got enough decoy/skip units yet

[tropic summit]

@shell hazel i had the least productive saturday in a long while
went to bed on saturday past 6AM after anime binge watch and woke up at 16PM

[late tiger]

instead of 5 stealth units, we can also try 3

[shell hazel]

12 hours of dreaming of rossi

[late tiger]

just to see if it works

havent seen anyone try it yet

[tropic summit]

almost done building her, having to decide what to do with her weapon

[shell hazel]

https://tenor.com/view/its-maxin-time-max-historia-bi-gif-26442614

[late tiger]

btw anyone knows if the absolute team setup does not work against a specific team? Guessing biscuit defender team

and rossana likely

[tropic summit]

any team that doesn't need p1 p2 p3 to survive or has units that can survive in that spot

biscuit teams
sg teams
nayuta p1 teams
moran teams

these will make absolute struggle

[versed mesa]

What if I told you, this has been my life for almost 3 years? not always anime binging, usually just gaming but still. My sleep schedule is an absolute mess.

[tropic summit]

jackal linked with soline in it may also outlive it

[late tiger]

ohh ok, so dmg is only limited to the first 3 slots - prob can't bridge high deficit then

[tropic summit]

ye vestiTU pre burst will only splash up to 3 positions

[late tiger]

i am trying to roll for her OL atm. only missing crit now

any threshold for crit i need to reach?

[shell hazel]

@tropic summit I started Oshi no Ko

[tropic summit]

watch it in 1 or 2 sessions

[shell hazel]

[tropic summit]

with beer and food at hand

[shell hazel]

I can't anymore, I do 2-3 eps at most :9

ADHD attention span lol

[tropic summit]

https://klipy.com/gifs/weakness-disgusts-me-senju

[shell hazel]

https://tenor.com/view/goddess-of-victory-nikke-doro-meme-sad-gif-10692536301102666475

[tropic summit]

well can't be helped then, still gud shiet

[versed mesa]

If you don't watch an entire season in one sitting, are you even an anime fan?

[cunning crown]

based

[late tiger]

watch me wait until the latest anime releases all episodes to binge watch them

didn't even start frieren for that reason

[shell hazel]

[late tiger]

https://tenor.com/bPu0ITjGJq1.gif

[versed mesa]

I go long spans where I don't watch anything, then this happens:

https://tenor.com/view/eat-kirby-anime-الطعام-gif-4848690

[shell hazel]

I had like 5 seasons like this 😄

frieren
oshi no ko
hells paradise
fire force
jjk

[late tiger]

in a way i mostly know what happens cuz i read the manga, but frieren is one of the animes that provide even more lore when paired with the anime

all the ones you mentioned

i also gotta watch

[cunning crown]

this banging OP was my first exposure to ONK and demanded a watch

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QgIQbeRzkkc

[tropic summit]

@shell hazel you gonna get her down the road ye?

[shell hazel]

https://tenor.com/view/bluey-bandit-done-you-bet-you-betcha-gif-18230257

I think so! but broccoli takes prio

if my pulls are in danger I savu for broccoli

[tropic summit]

waif material

[shell hazel]

see what 1.2 brings. I have over 90K gems so can go to pity and beyond atm

[tropic summit]

i should be fine for broccoli aswell

[shell hazel]

looks good to me saving wise and we'll get more between now and then

[tropic summit]

yeah that was the idea

pretty sure there's probably over a month distance before broccoli banner

[scarlet adder]

anyone here uses nikke tools? i have a question. can i click something somewhere for it to respect positions of those nikkes? also maybe respect that one team attack and other defends or something? or they just give you all fights with those specific nikkes scrambled around with positions only?

[tropic summit]

not familiar myself with this tool tbh, let's see if someone can help you

@tidal lichen @gaunt pulsar @swift mango @quick lake @glad meteor any of you use this thing?

[fast nest]

it just show every match in jp sever. the positions and whether def or atk are random.

[shell hazel]

https://tenor.com/view/red-dwarf-cat-the-cat-confused-what-is-it-gif-10324043317692662406

[scarlet adder]

i was hacking this thing 😄 but then i saw it kinda does what i wanted, the only thing that i could maybe add is making it more restrictive but would think they put some switches somewhere and i am jsut blind xD

ok then i can continue playing with their data

[fast nest]

yeah. it only shows their cp. so you dont know what exact scenario have been there.

[scarlet adder]

before i knew they do anything like that i started already recognizing which nikke is what id and stuff 😄

[glad meteor]

No idea

[shell hazel]

https://tenor.com/view/you-should-know-that-by-now-mr-wednesday-american-gods-fremantle-season2-gif-19087433

[glad meteor]

[tidal lichen]

first time seeing

[fast nest]

It just provide the result like this.

[shell hazel]

https://tenor.com/view/you-should-know-this-too-pedro-pascal-hot-ones-dramatic-turn-first-we-feast-gif-10232496495057572124

[tropic summit]

[tropic summit]

so it's kind of a win ratio matrix?

[tidal lichen]

[shell hazel]

(but also what is it?)

[scarlet adder]

here you go https://nikke-tools.netlify.app/

[tropic summit]

[versed mesa]

https://tenor.com/view/anchorman-yelling-loud-what-i-dont-know-gif-5798030

[scarlet adder]

yeah it has CA results and you can see what were results before when two specific "kinda" teams met before

positions doesn't seem to matter

[shell hazel]

https://tenor.com/view/you-should-know-lucy-gambaro-wentworth-you-would-know-why-dont-you-know-gif-22891860

[tropic summit]

kinda weird that positions don't matter

i imagine it assumes it ran proper positions for that given set of units?

[scarlet adder]

yeah very, i am looking for switch making it matter but don't see it XD

[tropic summit]

[fast nest]

it is just match result based on selected unit's cp.
In the picture I showed you i picked moran for left team, and drake for the right team.
Left bar in matrix shows moran's cp range, and top bar shows drake cp's range.

[tropic summit]

so how reliable is this thing overall?

[fast nest]

it is just CA result from jp server. So we can just refer to it but we should not belive so much. as you can see, its result differ by their setting.

[tropic summit]

oh oke

the idea is good, but the actual results seem iffy

[scarlet adder]

i will try to play with JS to make postions matter xD

[shell hazel]

https://tenor.com/view/unreliable-arun-maini-mrwhosetheboss-untrustworthy-reckless-gif-25118262

[gaunt pulsar]

i think I was on this website once, looked > 🤢 > and closed

[tropic summit]

ok that tells me enough

[shell hazel]

[scarlet adder]

weird site, but i suck at guessing CA matchups so i will try using it

[glad meteor]

JP site. Was interesting

[scarlet adder]

this is fun, all fights, across all seasons, where both teams had noah xD

[gritty ridge]

@tropic summit

[tropic summit]

bready believer

[glad meteor]

[tropic summit]

scrap T5 for a proper B2 and 2RL or 2.5RL moran tho

[gritty ridge]

Genuinely cant

Theres no speed left

[tropic summit]

i'd bench mmast and burst with trina in T5 and add a flex

[glad meteor]

[tropic summit]

you gain SG resistance and p1/p5 invulnerable in T1, gain speed and a better B2 in T5

[gritty ridge]

Sir if i bench mmast then bready does nothing

[tropic summit]

bench bre- oh.

[gritty ridge]

Having t.emma would help me alot here

[tropic summit]

is bay available?

[gritty ridge]

Bay is available

[tropic summit]

i was messing around with bready team, but assuming you gotta keep mmast in there, the team is just realistically too heavy

[gritty ridge]

Im aware im taking a big hit to run it lol

[tropic summit]

another team will inevitably suffer, might aswell run a slow cindy instead so you can keep 3 other functioning teams

@gritty ridge

still have noah, centi, trina, moran, bay, helmt, vestiTU, noise, scarlet open

work from there imo

[gritty ridge]

Thx

[tropic summit]

make 2 remaining working teams with those and it might look decent

you could save biscuit from cindy team although it reduces odds against SGs and teams that could pop invulnerability to increase odds of winning

at that point you can make a moran bay biscuit or bay biscuit archetype team, which does pretty well against most things

remaining 5th team has got scar-trina available, you could rapunzel/soline archetype if they're available

or scar-soda-trina

with noah available you could just run typical moran noah team aswell although

lots of options left

[pale knoll]

Not sure what to use since I tried to bay the lib team and died anyways, any tips?

[tropic summit]

noise can be replaced with moran if you don't have her built

rest are fairly common units i expect you've built

the trick with their T1 is to run a unit that prevents them from getting rumani invulnerable, if you kill rumani, they can no longer burst (1hitko lib here will do that job)

lastly, you need to survive midhara DoTs when she dies and until nayuta runs out of indom (9s), that's where noise/moran can kick in

[pale knoll]

Noise is like 555 and OL sr5

Moran 71010 sr15 c3

[tropic summit]

ye throw a moran in there

[pale knoll]

Lmao

Bro keeps putting noah in every time I ask, tradition atp

[tropic summit]

could change the team to this, it's even more CP packed and retains same purpose

[tropic summit]

you mean you don't have noah?

[pale knoll]

#pvp-arena message

🥀

[tropic summit]

sorry but i don't remember everyone's situation

that's fine you can run indom then against enemy T3

[pale knoll]

It's been like 9k pulls atp btw, and the little goblin isn't popping

[pale knoll]

Alright thanks 👍

[tropic summit]

here you go

cubes:

moran tempering
crown any
lib any
trina any
helmt any

swha tempering
blanc vigor
rh vigor
centi quantum
jackal quantum

[pale knoll]

Thanks bud

[versed mesa]

There is a whale in my SP bracket who actually has 4th highest cp out of everyone in the top 10. He has never, not even once moved from C7 upwards though. I'm pretty sure atleast from a pure CP standpoint that he could easily aim for top 3 even. Could it be that he has so much gem stockpile that he doesn't even care taking C6 for the extra 300 gems each season? Since I am pretty sure the current player there could not beat him, again assuming he actually has the nikkes to make defense teams with his CP gap

[tropic summit]

from my own bracket experience, some players are fine hanging lower challenger

they'll sometimes pick above but if you beat them then they just hang lower

i think it's just being casuals and they're fine with it

[versed mesa]

it just seems odd to me. Even back when I knew I had no chance at beating anyone above me, I would still atleast use my free tickets anyway, if I didn't need to save them for defending. To each their own though.

[cedar sorrel]

What do u guys think is better the CP pad or 30k less CP for 3rl

[tropic summit]

multiply your campaign team CP for 0.846

if the value you get there is lower than the non CP pad team, keep the non CP pad team, else swap

[cedar sorrel]

Do you include 5 resil or no cuz that gives quite a lot of CP

[tropic summit]

ye include them

[cedar sorrel]

Even tho in pvp u obv got 15 guys u gotta cube

[tropic summit]

opponent will be doing the same

[cedar sorrel]

Ah okay

Damn its 5k off then

Maybe I can pad it with cubes

[versed mesa]

I have mostly used my highest cube purely for the CP, even on teams where something else would in theory be better

[tropic summit]

it's already a bad sign if it's that close to be gapped, run the non pad team

[versed mesa]

I think avoiding deficit in general is much better than using the optimal cube but being in deficit because of it

[cedar sorrel]

Yeah the 3rl has no chance hitting 265k like this

Gotta run the pad team still then

[versed mesa]

Or would you disagree Rail? Would cube skill be more valuable even if you dip slightly into deficit?

[cedar sorrel]

Deficit is a huge modifier

I dont think having a better reload or whatever is making up a 15% stat diff

Or how much deficit is

[versed mesa]

Yeah I'm just wondering how drastic it is if the deficit is less than a percent.

[tropic summit]

the whole point is making a team that does not get gapped, if you get gapped, that team, no matter how optimized in cubes/meta/RL, it's gonna suck

[swift mango]

I'm no decoy master but there is not much meric in having Rei in slow Cindy team. Going ving enemy burst gen is double edge even in arena

[tropic summit]

first and foremost ensure CP is high, then you can work from there

[tropic summit]

@arctic jewel TL;DR: not wurth

[odd lantern]

deficit starts at 20%

[tropic summit]

ye it starts with 20%ish stats getting nuked

[cedar sorrel]

Lol so 1cp below and ur just 15% stats down

[tropic summit]

sorta, 15.5% to be specific

15.4% iirc still can prevent

[versed mesa]

Yeah this has been my understanding, my temperance loses me quite a bit of cp since it is not nearly as high as my resi and quantum and since my main rival is almost 50 synchro higher risking deficit isn't really an option

[odd lantern]

i hit folks 60 levels higher too, you really want your best cubes

[cedar sorrel]

I hope the rock gain is bountiful soon

I think an OL or 2 will make the 3rl team not a deficit team

[versed mesa]

That black defense line on my Moran from yesterday though gave me quite a nice cp jump, so switching a temperance in now would balance me out to about the same cp as before the reroll

[cedar sorrel]

Black line def is clean for her

[arctic jewel]

😭

[gaunt pulsar]

might as well use Rapu pure grace if you want slow b1 defender

[versed mesa]

https://tenor.com/view/theycalledyouslow-slow-homer-slow-homer-gif-3996248220601867283

[wind kelp]

Welp, started working on Nero. Always lked the design, could work in some raids, and in pvp. Onlt at like 7/7/4 now, with 3 OL gear, and doll is still blue, but, maybe in time for next league :p

[versed mesa]

All my Nikkes are maxed out on advising sessions

[cedar sorrel]

Shes fun yeah

[cedar sorrel]

Ripp

[wind kelp]

Oooh, new idea: all league teams made so that all 25 units start with next letter 😄

Anis, Bay, Cindy, and so on XD

[odd lantern]

she's still usable? I couldn't get her to work previously

[wind kelp]

Probably as a moran buddy of some sort. Options 😄

[arctic jewel]

here's my personal opinion, Nero is good, but she currently requires a lot of teammates to support her, making other teams weaker, but people are still winning with Nero teams, so what do I know

[versed mesa]

I haven't seen anyone use Nero in my bracket, unless she is more of an attack or CA pick

[odd lantern]

CA pick conditionally afaik

[cedar sorrel]

What are benchmarks for skills with base bay mine is 744 currently

[odd lantern]

bay is fine with 4 4 4 i think, but i have her at 7 7 7 for cp lol

[cedar sorrel]

I hear u

[versed mesa]

I wouldn't know, any Nikke I use extensively anywhere will end up 10 10 10 eventually

[arctic jewel]

just go for treasure phase 3

and increase her CP with OL gear

[cedar sorrel]

Even when bayT still skills 444?

[odd lantern]

if you're near the top of the bracket, you need all CP sources

[cedar sorrel]

Im not that good Im like hardstuck ch8

[arctic jewel]

even less of a reason to upgrade Bay

[cedar sorrel]

When my teams add up to 815k it says a lot

[odd lantern]

agreed.

[cedar sorrel]

Its to have 3 teams

[versed mesa]

I'm not using Bay currently at all

[odd lantern]

do SG team with rosanna and nayuta haha

[cedar sorrel]

I dont have all units at good cp

[odd lantern]

if you're like level 200 it doesnt matter

[cedar sorrel]

This is the best I could manage I think

2.5rl jackal feed
3rl
2rl

[odd lantern]

anything is beaten with better invest when low level

[cedar sorrel]

Yeah Im lvl 241 rn

[versed mesa]

Oh absolutely if you are missing stronger options, then it is somewhat worth to build what you got, although focusing on PvE is better on the short term.

[arctic jewel]

very likely long term as well

[cedar sorrel]

I think I have a good balance I have basically all good camp units with good invest

[versed mesa]

Well atleast until you cap out campaign on both normal and hm

[cedar sorrel]

To the point I purposely do all time low clears

Takina is cracked for that btw

Im now using most my rocks to get a better vesti since mine is lacking

Which is nice cuz that buffs campaign and pvp

[warm monolith]

[fast nest]

[arctic jewel]

Pythagora's Doro

[warm monolith]

Dang it

[fast nest]

[warm monolith]

I have enough gems to do a multi, do i do one in ordinary banner?

[cedar sorrel]

No

Half anniv soon build up ur gems for that

[warm monolith]

Oke im doing on arcana

[arctic jewel]

save for Anniv

[warm monolith]

I have 'the gacha luck' i trust my pulls

[arctic jewel]

unless you like the blue haired waifu

[warm monolith]

I already have her at 2lb

[arctic jewel]

in that case, pull for the next broken Nikke

whoever it is

[warm monolith]

But i wanna pull now

[versed mesa]

Trina dupe from Tetra molds, hmm not bad

[warm monolith]

Imma do one more on arcana

Dang nothing :(

Eh anyway ig ill save for aniv

[cedar sorrel]

Lol gl with that

[shell hazel]

@tropic summit best onee-chan?

[tropic summit]

https://klipy.com/gifs/shirosaki-hana-anime-nod

[shell hazel]

https://tenor.com/view/ami-ami-kawashima-toradora-waifu-anime-gif-16870046

oh no, where can I see it? 😮

so I can avoid it, naturally

[tropic summit]

https://klipy.com/gifs/its-always-sunny-in-philadelphia-mac-2

[arctic jewel]

the anime what he wants to watch is It's Always Sunny in Philadelphia obviously

[shell hazel]

https://tenor.com/view/oreki-hotarou-hyouka-anime-gif-22201162

[glad meteor]

[swift mango]

Anyone know?

Is my phone hacked or android faulty? I used to be able to edit default app here but that tab became useless in the last few years..

I can't choice to not open by default or to open by default. There is only reset default app button that doesn't even work

[warm monolith]

@tropic summit so uh, teams fumbled, im switching to second ones

[tropic summit]

ye give it a shot

[warm monolith]

Oh wait nvm wrong teams

[warm monolith]

Wait it isnt

Ye switching to 2nds

@tropic summit Help plzz

[shell hazel]

https://tenor.com/view/master-chef-gordon-ramsey-gif-15318228475589667717

[warm monolith]

[glad meteor]

https://tenor.com/view/ishowspeed-ishowspeed-yeah-right-ishowspeed-yeah-ishowspeed-right-ishowspeed-stream-gif-2870397197282141259

[shell hazel]

[hollow lagoon]

[warm monolith]

[shell hazel]

[warm monolith]

[arctic jewel]

[humble tiger]

How fast are Siren + MG teams?

Prolly not that fast, but need frame of reference, if 3 or 4RL.

[arctic jewel]

very likely slower than 4RL

[gritty ridge]

@tropic summit

[warm monolith]

I still need teams...

[gritty ridge]

5rl+

Mg have their fire rate cut in half in pvp

[humble tiger]

[tropic summit]

looks ok

pascal team is a bit cope but the rest looks ok

[gritty ridge]

Pascal is peak wym

[tropic summit]

what's CP with this

[warm monolith]

T1 1.173.945
T3 1.110.539

[tropic summit]

26% and 27% deficit, you better pray god, but give it a shot

[warm monolith]

@tropic summit

[tropic summit]

[shell hazel]

@warm monolith

[warm monolith]

T1 won but t3 my moran lost cuz of deficit she dealt 1 to enemy moran

Ill fix my vestitu's ammo problem

[tropic summit]

lib actually pulled through

yeah might gonna need to blanc it

[warm monolith]

Ofc she did, cuz of Bay-

[tropic summit]

let's change noah into blanc

[shell hazel]

[tropic summit]

https://klipy.com/gifs/dexter-42

[warm monolith]

I think rail really likes white haired girls

[tropic summit]

C: can't tell

[shell hazel]

https://tenor.com/view/mi-fu-arknights-arknights-endfield-endfield-明日方舟-gif-9710983110412262266

[arctic jewel]

😍 😍 😍 😍

[shell hazel]

https://tenor.com/view/black-hanekawa-monogatari-neko-bakemonogatari-anime-gif-17318849351887827223

[arctic jewel]

if that were the case, his favorite would be Cindy and not Tove 😛

[shell hazel]

[tropic summit]

[glad meteor]

[arctic jewel]

@tropic summit or maybe you prefer Blanc over Cindy?

[tropic summit]

the non-lewd album

[tropic summit]

https://klipy.com/gifs/the-road-to-el-dorado-both

[warm monolith]

Right lol

[warm monolith]

Its not my fault this is peak

[tropic summit]

https://klipy.com/gifs/i-know-what-kind-of-man-you-are-moist-i-know-what-kind-of-mand-you-are

[warm monolith]

@tropic summit Teams worked thanks man

[tropic summit]

actually won on 26% and 27% deficit

[arctic jewel]

Thank you for the lovely Bay photo! Enough serotonin to play a few Hard mode stages

[warm monolith]

Just dont forget

To look at my profile

And read what it says about her

Joke aside i feel like the most talked nikke in here is Bay because of me

[arctic jewel]

nothing wrong with that! Bay is a cutie

[warm monolith]

Whos chapter 35's boss btw?

[gritty ridge]

Me

Its scarab

Mini snake

[arctic jewel]

snek

[warm monolith]

Thanks

[arctic jewel]

smol snek

[warm monolith]

Gonna beat that smol snake🫡

[shell hazel]

smol boi smol snek

[warm monolith]

I completely forgot how it works

Wait that aint the snake

[arctic jewel]

Solid Snek, Liquid Snek, Solidus Snek, Naked Snek, Old Snek

[warm monolith]

First try :D

@tropic summit the new teams hold a atk

[gritty ridge]

Its scarab, it has the same mechanics as snake

[umbral crown]

[fast marsh]

Hey ik rookie arena is different but is there anyway to make my special arena team more efficient? These are my units and my rookie arena team is Moran, Manchor, Biscuit, Drake, Anis

[tropic summit]

you're on a very early synchro, CP will matter the most here, you also don't have any particular pvp core meta team buildable yet
stack CP and call it a day

[fast marsh]

I see 💔

[umbral crown]

This is where : Auto and hope for the best comes from

[tropic summit]

wishlist the following to improve your arena:

• jackal, noah, rumani, trina, centi, cinderella
• treasure helm and moran asap

you should regardless have these wishlisted for pve/pvp

• swha, helm, siren, RRH, vestiTU, liberalio, crown, RH, blanc, nayuta

[tropic summit]

you could run these 2 + 1 auto team

[fast marsh]

Ah I used the first one you suggested

[swift mango]

It's actually Noah but okay

[gritty ridge]

Nah its greg

[umbral crown]

Besto shieldo

[swift mango]

Well, because everyone either uses her or bricked her.

[umbral crown]

Still

[tropic summit]

ye swap privaty with liter so you've a B1, CP loss should be minimal

rest stays unchanged

[fast marsh]

Thanks sm got back into diamond

[tulip quest]

rail

can I ask Emilia's charge speed breakthrough?

I got 20.27% emilia

the 5% 8% 11% stuff

[tropic summit]

8% or 25% or 38% (they take in account the % you get from her s1)

38% is really high and you shouldn't make it an objective, 25% is good enough

[tulip quest]

how much% again is Emilia's + %?

so it's my 20.27% emilia cs + Emilia's own cs% + then?

[tropic summit]

for the first step it would be 8%CS on top of her 13% from her s1

that'd make her 21%

the 25% would be 13% + 12% from OL

[tulip quest]

i see

38% is insane then

need 25% cs from OL

[tropic summit]

sort of but basically makes you skip a threshold based on the team

makes her very high tier battery, on top of adding DPS

[tulip quest]

Need black lines

6 12 18 24 + Cube

[mild trail]

hey guys, quick question
after maxing quantum cube, which cube should i focus on for pvp ?

[tropic summit]

ye not for the faint of heart

[tropic summit]

tempering, vigor

[tulip quest]

tempering 1#

vigor for blanc compositions

[tulip quest]

bro even if u have heart of steel but if u have luck of blood

ur still ded

[tropic summit]

ye might aswell give up

[tulip quest]

true

Cause im 100% sure im not those 0.001% of people that gets black line cs lucky to their specific character

[mild trail]

thanks for the info!

[tulip quest]

Look at this animal comp it works

gonna run this in C.A cause why not

[leaden canyon]

could work

[tulip quest]

yea making comps is kinda fun for me

got to top 4 this season with my former cook

not throw it then, use nother 1

[leaden canyon]

MY bracket is just cooked with the top pvpers

got the number 1 guy in mine

[quick lake]

it works??

[tulip quest]

yea surprisingly

[tropic summit]

https://klipy.com/gifs/kolow

[tulip quest]

you can test it on your rookie also

[quick lake]

do u have a vid

[tulip quest]

C.A champ so close yet so far

[tulip quest]

nope actually

my record is busted won't work

[leaden canyon]

do you have an extra clue 4 lying around btw

[tulip quest]

if enemy 2RL noah, wipes them

cause that team is 4RL or 3.5

enough time for cindy to burst and hit

[quick lake]

Does cindy not just die from nuke. Or SWHA dmg just too delayed

[tulip quest]

cindy gets to be Biscuited

if your cindy too strong can just put her p1 instead maybe

I put label cause maybe her shield gets up and 10 sec invul

I will test cindy p1 next time

Bay blocks most wipe comps anyways shud be safe

I hate vs Helm T burst team cause helm t targets highest attack which is Label is why I put label p1 to be biscuited

[quick lake]

where is the 10s invuln coming from?

[tulip quest]

Shared Delusion: The Shield created by Label becomes invulnerable for 10 sec.

if im lucky I think

[quick lake]

Hmmmmmm forgot about that

[tropic summit]

[cedar sorrel]

Good to go right

[tropic summit]

T1 gud
T2 move ada in p5 and siren in p4, you're taking fire code SG dmg on a wind code

siren can die from that within 2RL B2

[cedar sorrel]

Ah I keep forgetting ab SGs

[tropic summit]

also you're killing SBS too fast it will make them burst

[cedar sorrel]

Will I?

[tropic summit]

ye wind code against vesti

[cedar sorrel]

Make ada burst instead?

[tropic summit]

i'd be wary in popping their rosanna, cuz then they will target your attackers and prompt nayuta nuke

[tropic summit]

that team is 5RL as long as you don't kill anyone

[cedar sorrel]

The idea was siren would stun their nayu but ig if sbs dies too quickly they can nayu b4 stun

[tropic summit]

you also need to avoid having your own unit killed though

[cedar sorrel]

Yeah

Like the hope is I burst and ohko 4 units before they ever got burst

And their rosa is R0-10 so prob not high invest

Imma run it

[tropic summit]

don't think you need to worry about their ros as much as their ros + nayuta

you're taking a risk but you know your opponent best i guess

[cedar sorrel]

Yay. Im not sure what went down t2 but I ended up winning so its lit

[tropic summit]

you luckely weren't lethal or they'd burst before you

SBS hanging to her dear life actually helped

[cedar sorrel]

Tactical no ele tvesti

[tropic summit]

solid 10/10

[cedar sorrel]

How much burst does rosa get from a mate dying?

[tropic summit]

around 33%ish, considered they bursted at the RL right after, they were probably about to

[cedar sorrel]

33 wtf

Does it stack?

[tropic summit]

you'd have taken nayuta nuke before she'd be stunned, although i dunno if they'd have enough to lethal your RH, chances are your RH would've solo'ed at worse

[tropic summit]

ye 33% for every unit, her atk% also goes up the more units die, so you could've been easier to snipe

[cedar sorrel]

Damn okay thats scary

[tropic summit]

whenever you see rosanna try avoiding having units die and run defender B3s to avoid being targeted, but in this case it worked out, since you popped rosanna cloak anyway which reduces her dmg output

[cedar sorrel]

Is that why SGs are good with rosa so u can start hitting the more vulnerable other side?

[cedar sorrel]

My defender b3s

[tropic summit]

rosa is a snowball type, SGs are also snowball, synergy from both sides

SGs want to kill fast
Rosanna benefits from kills, the earlier the better, win/win synergy

[cedar sorrel]

Aha

Balls to the wall gaming

[tropic summit]

ye, all in kind

[raven plover]

built SGs especially bsod and sugar kill stuff real fast, ros benefits from that

[cedar sorrel]

Also I have ein at a decent CP + 777 now is she any value on pvp

I wanted to level her for CA but then I ended up beating ur after a 2h rage session

[cedar sorrel]

Wow sugar is used in pvp?

[tidal lichen]

on ca sometimes

[raven plover]

mostly CA just because most units are electric, and sugar is iron

[cedar sorrel]

Interesting

I guess there arent actually that many SGs to begin with so its easy to have a niche

[leaden canyon]

If this gets beat what else should I try, I did also try ada instead of xmaiden

[cedar sorrel]

Some real PVPer business

[north brook]

The nayu comp kinda a free win its more of a ca team

Loses to any 2rl noah or jack indom or cindy comp(slow, medium, or fast)

Problem mainly is also lack of third good b3

[tropic summit]

he needs to defend against an indom and a noah-biscuit archetype

realistically, no defense can defend against those but can at best mitigate one or the other

as long as one of those teams pushes for one or the other as the only solution, they served their purpose

[north brook]

Mainly need to defend against indom with t3

[tropic summit]

except there's no way to defend

[north brook]

But ya nayu doesnt defend anything

[tropic summit]

if you run bay with biscuit, then you can't run noah with biscuit

if you run indom attacker can beat it as long as it's a slower indom or specific rosanna teams

defender always loses

realistically those are one of the best teams you can run on defense to push enemy cards, but once they know how to deal with, there's less and less options

you could push further with CS% maybe, but even then again a matter of time until they learn how to break it

[north brook]

Think bay bisc and noise noah slightly better but problem is just the b3

[tropic summit]

the problem is you can't defend against both indom and noah-archetype as it stands

until SU sorts that out, we playing rock paper scissor

= solved mode

[north brook]

Well on defense ur mainly just stopping ppl who know nothing or ppl with defecit into ur defense

[tropic summit]

ye agreed

[quick lake]

Noise Bay Biscuit stonks

Been testing, double invuln 8s

[north brook]

But anyway the moran bisc snow is a hard enough wall that it wont lose, and even an opp on defecit can use it against ur indom for possible win

Ive been using priv on last team but obv theres major downsides to all remaining b3 after vesti snow thanks to label

Tbh 2rl noise noah cindy might have been decent enough t3

[tropic summit]

find a def with at least 2 teams that can defend against any:

• slow cindy
• 2RL indom (vestiTU/SWHA with ada offburst variants)
• 2RL nukers
• SG pressure
• rosanna

problemo: impossibru

and this doesn't count soline-rapunzel and soda RNG teams

let alone absolute and nayuta

it's as you said, if you've a team that is so picky and so well built that it only has a few weaknesses, that's the best you can do

[quick lake]

Still always counterable

[tropic summit]

ye

[mighty haven]

I full OLed my Trina and Centi today
Now everyone on def has full OL

[quick lake]

Im tempted to max Bay’s skills

[tropic summit]

https://klipy.com/gifs/okay-then-18

[north brook]

Need to at least see anniv unit kits tbh